Obama in Tucson: ‘We cannot use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on each other’

I haven’t had a chance yet to see how my more conservative brethren responded to President Obama’s speech last night in Tucson, but it’s hard to see how anyone could respond to it less than positively. (The rather boisterous audience — perhaps because it was on a college campus? — was another matter.)

The president did not seek to score political points; he argued explicitly that it was wrong to blame the tragedy on anything but the “thoughts (that) lurked in the inner recesses of a violent man’s mind.” He spoke as the president of all Americans, rather than the leader of some. And yet he did not shrink from the central issue of civility and our responsibilities to each other as Americans “at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who happen to think differently than we do.”

Here’s the core of the speech, which is available in its entirety here:

You see, when a tragedy like this strikes, it is part of our nature to demand explanations –- to try and pose some order on the chaos and make sense out of that which seems senseless. Already we’ve seen a national conversation commence, not only about the motivations behind these killings, but about everything from the merits of gun safety laws to the adequacy of our mental health system. And much of this process, of debating what might be done to prevent such tragedies in the future, is an essential ingredient in our exercise of self-government.

But at a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized -– at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who happen to think differently than we do -– it’s important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we’re talking with each other in a way that heals, not in a way that wounds.

Scripture tells us that there is evil in the world, and that terrible things happen for reasons that defy human understanding. In the words of Job, “When I looked for light, then came darkness.” Bad things happen, and we have to guard against simple explanations in the aftermath.

For the truth is none of us can know exactly what triggered this vicious attack. None of us can know with any certainty what might have stopped these shots from being fired, or what thoughts lurked in the inner recesses of a violent man’s mind. Yes, we have to examine all the facts behind this tragedy. We cannot and will not be passive in the face of such violence. We should be willing to challenge old assumptions in order to lessen the prospects of such violence in the future. But what we cannot do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on each other. That we cannot do. That we cannot do.

As we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility. Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let’s use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy and remind ourselves of all the ways that our hopes and dreams are bound together.

… And if, as has been discussed in recent days, their death helps usher in more civility in our public discourse, let us remember it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy — it did not — but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to the challenges of our nation in a way that would make them proud.

We should be civil because we want to live up to the example of public servants like John Roll and Gabby Giffords, who knew first and foremost that we are all Americans, and that we can question each other’s ideas without questioning each other’s love of country and that our task, working together, is to constantly widen the circle of our concern so that we bequeath the American Dream to future generations.

They believed — they believed, and I believe that we can be better. Those who died here, those who saved life here –- they help me believe. We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another, that’s entirely up to us.

And I believe that for all our imperfections, we are full of decency and goodness, and that the forces that divide us are not as strong as those that unite us.

That’s what I believe, in part because that’s what a child like Christina Taylor Green believed.

Imagine — imagine for a moment, here was a young girl who was just becoming aware of our democracy; just beginning to understand the obligations of citizenship; just starting to glimpse the fact that some day she, too, might play a part in shaping her nation’s future. She had been elected to her student council. She saw public service as something exciting and hopeful. She was off to meet her congresswoman, someone she was sure was good and important and might be a role model. She saw all this through the eyes of a child, undimmed by the cynicism or vitriol that we adults all too often just take for granted.

I want to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as Christina imagined it. I want America to be as good as she imagined it. All of us -– we should do everything we can to make sure this country lives up to our children’s expectations.

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Finn McCool

January 13th, 2011
8:00 am

A good speech.

Did he make it out of AZ without having to show his papers?

Northern Songs, Ltd

January 13th, 2011
8:02 am

i think he hit the nail on the head, and i, for one, was chastened.

Finn McCool

January 13th, 2011
8:03 am

I noticed Sara made sure she injected herself into the conversation yesterday by delivering an asinine video ahead of the President’s speech.

She should be the Republican front-runner for 2012. Oh yes, oh yes, please!!!

Herman Cain

January 13th, 2011
8:07 am

Obama in Tucson, another photo op. As his “brother” raum put it, never let a crisis go to waste.

Del

January 13th, 2011
8:08 am

I thought the president gave a good speech with the right message that I doubt the left will follow.

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
8:08 am

Finn – I second that emotion!! Run, Caribou Barbie, RUN!!!

as far as right-wing pundits, evidently Marc Theissen thought it was just a rebuke delivered to the left, that the right is as pure as the driven snow …

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2011/01/obama_in_tucson_brilliant_and.html

oy. :roll:

Tommy Maddox

January 13th, 2011
8:09 am

Photo op. Sadly, his presence will heal nothing.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

January 13th, 2011
8:10 am

Not bad. I wonder how the far left will perceive his comments and will the apologies for the blame game be forthcoming.

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
8:11 am

Tommy – I’m sorry you are so blinded by your partisan hatred that you can’t allow people to reach out, that you can’t allow the President to speak to the nation without injecting your own bitterness.

godless heathen

January 13th, 2011
8:11 am

Fine speech. Something he is good at.

carlosgvv

January 13th, 2011
8:11 am

Get real Jay!! Do you really think the right wing pundits are ever going to say anything good about Obama? He could give a speech that would rival anything Lincoln ever did, and the right would still villify him.

Unceremoniously

January 13th, 2011
8:12 am

Obama invokes Lincolnesque nation-binding. He truly is the best president we’ve enjoyed in generations.

Charmed&Blessed

January 13th, 2011
8:13 am

Excellent speech!!!

Del

January 13th, 2011
8:08 am

It’s evident you didn’t get the message as well.

Have a little faith please.

Middle of the Road and Looking Both Ways

January 13th, 2011
8:13 am

He made excellent points. It would be a way to honor those who died especially Christina Greene to work together to build a better country. I am sure he will be damned for making the speech – just like he would have been damned if he never showed up. Maybe we can stop the useless blame game and do some real work?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

January 13th, 2011
8:13 am

OT here, but I wonder if GM will make another commercial about the bailout being paid in full and ahead of schedule, and if the White House will tout this as a success.

“WASHINGTON – By selling a block of its shares in General Motors Co. for $33 each — a price far below the “break-even” point — the government sharply reduced the chances of taxpayers fully recovering their $50 billion investment in the auto giant, a new report from a congressional watchdog says.”

MidGa Retiree

January 13th, 2011
8:14 am

I thought the speech was sincere, and he delivered an appropriate message. It is now up to all of us, left, right, media, bloggers, pundits, EVERYONE, to heed the words. I hope the President realizes that he and Congress must lead by example. Time will tell.

JohnnyReb

January 13th, 2011
8:14 am

The whole Tuscon incident is unbelievable. Mostly the unnecessary death and suffering, but also the pathetic Liberal journalists and pundits trying to make political gains from it. To a lesser but same degree Obama’s presence and speech. A good speech, but the wrong time at the wrong place. Also troubling was the crowd who turned an event billed as a memorial into anything but. I blame Republicans for that. They are the ones who have been asleep at the wheel while Progressives have turned our colleges into Liberal indoctrination centers.

Jay

January 13th, 2011
8:15 am

So Del, Leg Lamp, from your comments I take it that the right has no cause to rethink its own rhetoric?

You remain, to borrow a phrase, “eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who happen to think differently than you do”?

tommy t tone

January 13th, 2011
8:16 am

” noticed Sara made sure she injected herself into the conversation yesterday”
——————–

It was the liberal news media, liberal blogs, and liberals in general that injecter herself into the “conversation” after they blamed her for the shooting.

So she rightly corrects the moron liberals, and she’s the bad guy?

How about the moron sherrif who blamed talk radio and the tea party for the shooting? Then it turns out this psycho kid didn’t watch tv or listen to radio or anything.

But Palin’s bad because she stood up to you moron liberals?

Makes sense. If you’re a psycho liberal, I guess.

PinkoNeoConLibertarian

January 13th, 2011
8:17 am

The money quote -

“Bad things happen, and we have to guard against simple explanations in the aftermath.”

Del

January 13th, 2011
8:19 am

Charmed, I said that I thought he gave a good speech but the left won’t follow. It’s evidenced by the stupid juvenile comments about Sarah Palin that have already appeared. I’m certain that there will be more from the blogs left as the day progresses.

Doggone/GA

January 13th, 2011
8:20 am

“with the right message that I doubt the left will follow.”

You are, of course, entitled to you doubts. Just as *I* am entitled to take YOUR WORDS as proof YOU “got” the “right” message.

Aquagirl

January 13th, 2011
8:21 am

Middle of the Road and Looking Both Ways
January 13th, 2011
8:13 am
Maybe we can stop the useless blame game and do some real work?

Never let an opportunity for a useless blame game go to waste.

Del

January 13th, 2011
8:23 am

Jay, the conservative rhetoric paled in comparison to what many on the left were saying in the aftermath of that terrible tragedy. I know you won’t admit it, but you know it.

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
8:24 am

“It’s evidenced by the stupid juvenile comments about Sarah Palin that have already appeared”

:lol:

good grief – calling her out on her use of anti-Semitic expressions like “blood libel” is now considered beyond the pale??? saying that we hope she runs is extremist language???

I hope you’re seeing a dermatologist cuz skin that thin has to be bad for you …

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

January 13th, 2011
8:25 am

Jay
January 13th, 2011
8:15 am

Happy New Year, Jay.

No, not at all. You missed my point but that’s usually the case. EVERYONE, regardless of party, should step back and rethink before speaking. But many on the left wrote the book on the blame game. In a matter of roughly 2 to 3 hours after the shooting many left pundits were spewing their hate by blaming the shooting on Palin, conservatives, the tea party, the GOP or whoever else they regularly hold in contempt. We later find this this guy is a bonafide lunatic who acted without the prompting of any political party.

Were those on the left also so eager to spew their hate toward the muslim who killed even more people at Ft. Hood? No. Instead, they just throw incendiary comments out whenever they feel it serves their purpose.

I thought the POTUS did a good job last night. Now if his supporters will take his lead……

Jay

January 13th, 2011
8:25 am

You’ve made your point of view quite clear, Del. I hope it’s all right if I’m a little disappointed, though.

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
8:26 am

Del – 8:23 – I won’t speak for Jay, but I can tell you that I, for one, couldn’t disagree more.

carrying placards reading that the tree of liberty needs to be fed with blood.
saying that there needs to be “2nd amendment solutions”
saying that you’re not armed THIS time

you may not agree with me, and that’s fine, but I think that kind of language IS extreme and I don’t have a problem with people pointing that out.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 13th, 2011
8:28 am

Good morning all. So far as I know no conservative has alleged that the crazed gunman was working on the instructions of Chauncey. So other than omission of a “blood libel” defense of himself, Fearless Leader’s comments sounded much like those of Magna Sarah yesterday. Therefore, I credit him with failing to let a crisis go to waste.

Del

January 13th, 2011
8:28 am

USinUk, On “blood libel” have you heard what Alan Dershowitz had to say?

Keep up the good fight!

January 13th, 2011
8:29 am

Taking a post on this blog as “evidence” that all of the right or the left posts extreme vitroil is nonsense. Anyone can namejack, make a new name or posts a comment as a rightie claiming to be left or a leftie claiming to be right.

Change needs to start with our politicians and pundits. No responsible politician or journalist at Fox or MSNBC blames Palin or the left for the actual shooting. The violent vitroil however is a different story.

Thats said there are a few with large audiences who have continued and now created new conspiracies that are as absurd as the birthers.

Del

January 13th, 2011
8:32 am

Jay, I don’t see where I gave you anything but my viewpoint. Disappointing you isn’t my intent but I can’t help it if you feel disappointed and it’s certainly your right.

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
8:32 am

Del – I have. What I haven’t heard, however, is when he was elected speaker for all Jews.

Have you read what the ADL had to say?

“We wish that Palin had not invoked the phrase ‘blood-libel’ in reference to the actions of journalists and pundits in placing blame for the shooting in Tucson on others,” Abraham Foxman, who is the national director for the group, released in a statement. “While the term ‘blood-libel’ has become part of the English parlance to refer to someone being falsely accused, we wish that Palin had used another phrase, instead of one fraught with pain in Jewish history.”

Jay

January 13th, 2011
8:35 am

and for the record, Good Fight, I try to monitor such things pretty closely. I’ve deleted and even banned a few folks for trying to “fly under false colors” here in order to discredit the other side. It happens less than you might think.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

January 13th, 2011
8:36 am

USinUK
January 13th, 2011
8:32 am

So Foxman was “elected” to speak for all Jews? Interesting.

Herman Cain

January 13th, 2011
8:36 am

Had a friend call me this morning from Vail, just outside of Tucson. Seems there was a foul stench over Tucson last evening stretching from DMAFB to the U of A but then like magic it was gone about the time Air Force One left Tucson air space. Weird huh?

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
8:37 am

leg lamp.

are you familiar with the ADL?

Tommy Maddox

January 13th, 2011
8:37 am

USinUK: “blinded by partisan hatred”? “Caribou Barbie”?

Hypocrite shown in two posts – LOL!

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 13th, 2011
8:37 am

Good morning USinUK, do I understand your argument @ 8:32 to say that the phrase “blood libel” may not be used except by Jewish speakers and only when referring to false allegations concerning Jewry?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

January 13th, 2011
8:37 am

USinUK
January 13th, 2011
8:32 am

Delving back into political correctness, I recently had a friend who said her husband was a “slave” to his job. Was that being insensitive to blacks?

Del

January 13th, 2011
8:38 am

USinUk, I never said that everyone who considers themselves conservatives behaved well but you and others on left give liberal Democrats like Stupnik, Lopez, Krugman Durban and others on the political left as well as left wing bloggers here a free pass.

Doggone/GA

January 13th, 2011
8:38 am

“Weird huh?”

You sure are. Nice of you to admit it.

Keep up the good fight!

January 13th, 2011
8:39 am

Jay, Agreed you make a great effort. Not so with all of the blogs.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 13th, 2011
8:39 am

Lest there is anyone who missed the numerous false allegations against conservatives in the course of this past week, Chairman Ann publishes a little list today. No need for comment by her after reading the libels, but her commentary is hilarious, as always.

Doggone/GA

January 13th, 2011
8:39 am

“Was that being insensitive to blacks?”

No. simple answers for stupid questions

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

January 13th, 2011
8:39 am

USinUK
January 13th, 2011
8:37 am

I’m just trying to understand how one Jew speaks for the whole lot. I cannot think of one white person who speaks for the entire lot. Nor can I think of one black (although Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would like that job) or one hispanic who holds that title. Maybe I missed that news story……

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
8:40 am

Tommy – you’re confusing hatred with amusement.

Ragnar – actually, no. I think that when you use fling the term “blood libel” or “holocaust” or “nazi” around willy-nilly, you not only lessen its current impact, you also demean what it actually was.

WillieRae

January 13th, 2011
8:40 am

It might be helpful to wander back through the commet threades on your own blog to see if where the blame on the killings in AZ orginated. Hint: you won’t like it.

Second, what most offended me was the drive by the left to seek partisan advantage from these killings before the bodies weree cold or the facts were known. It seems they hoped for a McVeigh moment and lept to sieze their opportunity. As people saw how partisan Hoyer, Durbin and their media allies were, we remembered the extravagant hatred and bile spewed by the left and we realized that all these lefties cared about was partisan advantage. Only the limited might blame Palin for “injecting” herself into the controversy since the left focused on blaming her almost immiediately. Saying that Palin “injected” herself into the contoversy is like saying that Poland injected itself into WWI

The president gave a good speech. He has not fallen into the trap of the other lefties. In fact, he has shown leadership and restraint seeming to lead all Americans not just the left wing. This was a good moment for Obama.

josef nix

January 13th, 2011
8:40 am

USinUk
@
USinUk
@ 8″11

“Tommy – I’m sorry you are so blinded by your partisan hatred that you can’t allow people to reach out, that you can’t allow the President to speak to the nation without injecting your own bitterness.”

USinUk
@ 8:08
“Finn – I second that emotion!! Run, Caribou Barbie, RUN!!!

as far as right-wing pundits, evidently Marc Theissen thought it was just a rebuke delivered to the left, that the right is as pure as the driven snow ”

No comment.

kayaker 71

January 13th, 2011
8:40 am

The speech had it’s moments but the press coverage adulated the Annointed One a bit too much. “The President visited the wounded Gabrielle Gibbons and after he left her room, she opened her eyes for the first time”. The waters parted, the angels on high struck up a chorus of halleulahs and she was healed. Don’t tell me this wasn’t a political move. Bozo doesn’t do much of anything without a photo op and a stage with a teleprompter.

Mary Elizabeth

January 13th, 2011
8:40 am

“I want America to be as good as she imagined it.”

And, as we can all imagine it, if only we will “expand our moral imaginations.”

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

January 13th, 2011
8:40 am

Doggone/GA
January 13th, 2011
8:39 am

Nah, just a total rejection of political correctness.

godless heathen

January 13th, 2011
8:42 am

Even after being admonished by fearless leader, the first thing some are inclined to do this AM is call the lovely huntress anti-Semite.

Herman Cain

January 13th, 2011
8:42 am

ohh. doggyboy/GA made a funny.

Tommy Maddox

January 13th, 2011
8:43 am

USinUK – to quote Truman Capote:

“That’s not writing – that’s typing.”

josef nix

January 13th, 2011
8:44 am

The President did what he was supposed to and said what needed to be said when and where it needed to be said and did a good job of it. That’s just my opinion

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
8:44 am

Del – 8:38 – … and your proof of a free pass … ???

leg lamp – not all sound-bytes are created equal. some carry more weight – specifically when it comes to calling out issues of anti-semitism – than others. http://www.adl.org/about.asp?s=topmenu

Lord Help Us

January 13th, 2011
8:45 am

Teleprompter? I must have missed it…

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
8:45 am

jo nix – 8:40 – are you actually equating calling St. Sarah of the Tundra ‘caribou barbie’ with saying tht some things need a second amendment solution?

reeeelly?

TaxPayer

January 13th, 2011
8:48 am

In matters such as this, I prefer to try not to blame people for something that is beyond their control. After all, it is not as though there is a shortage of legitimate things to blame on the Republicans. However, I will say that we could do better in our collective efforts to minimize the probability of such violence. We are after all a nation that does love its guns and wars and hostility toward others and every so often these things combine to form the perfect storm within some individuals.

godless heathen

January 13th, 2011
8:48 am

From Glenn Reynolds excellent column on 1/10/11.

“Shortly after November’s electoral defeat for the Democrats, pollster Mark Penn appeared on Chris Matthews’s TV show and remarked that what President Obama needed to reconnect with the American people was another Oklahoma City bombing. To judge from the reaction to Saturday’s tragic shootings in Arizona, many on the left (and in the press) agree, and for a while hoped that Jared Lee Loughner’s killing spree might fill the bill.”

thomas

January 13th, 2011
8:48 am

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
8:45 am

Where are your comments of disapproval here?

Or do you feel mobs with pitchforks are a good thing?

http://www.seattlepi.com/opinion/397654_bookmanonline28.html

Bookman: Next hot commodity? Pitchforks
JAY BOOKMAN
SYNDICATED COLUMNIST

If you’re looking for a place to put the pittance you salvaged from the stock market, I’ve spotted the next hot commodity, the next growth industry. Under these conditions, demand is going to soar for this item, and there’s money to be made.

You ready? I’ll whisper it in your ear, just between us friends:

“Pitchforks.”

Paul

January 13th, 2011
8:48 am

Pres Obama rose to the occasion. His performance as President was in stark contrast to the politically-motivated squabbling of others.

He was above the fray and rebuked those in the fray. I think it would be interesting if reporters asked certain representatives, who were in the audience, for their reactions. Especially in light of their days-old comment. Wonder if any contrition would be in evidence.

I’m sure that in the future Pres Obama will reengage the political theater. So will all the others. Hopefully it will be more about ideas and less about character attacks. So let’s not have any calls of ‘hypocrite’, okay?

Lord Help Us

January 13th, 2011
8:49 am

Whether intentional or not, Sarah Palin’s speech included a loaded, incendiary term.

Her speech was defensive and employed Ronald Reagan quotes and subtle shots at the President (the ‘American Exceptionalism’ canard).

Who was exploiting the crisis for political gain?

jt

January 13th, 2011
8:50 am

It’s not funny. It’s sick…………………

Speaking at the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner in May, Barack Obama spotted teen pop band the Jonas Brothers in the audience. “Sasha and Malia are huge fans, but, boys, don’t get any ideas,” deadpanned the president, referring to his daughters. “Two words for you: predator drones. You will never see it coming.” The crowd laughed, Obama smiled, the dinner continued. Few questioned the wisdom of making such a tasteless joke; of the US commander-in-chief showing such casual disregard for the countless lives lost abroad through US drone attacks.

I will never work with a person like that.
Nothing but disdain. ..

Del

January 13th, 2011
8:50 am

USinUK@8:44-see USinUK@8:08am…seems you gave yourself one. “SECOND AMENDMENT SOLUTIONS”, I believe that came from Sharon Angle not Sarah Palin.

Keep up the good fight!

January 13th, 2011
8:51 am

There seems to be some confusion with the false equivalence of some terms with violent vitroil and rhetoric. Luckovich had it correct.. Let’s not excuse references to nonexistent “second amendment remedies” or suggestions that bullets should be used if your ballot does not work with name-calling.

josef nix

January 13th, 2011
8:51 am

Okay, ready for bear. The “blood libel” thing would be, if it weren’t so tragic, a hoot around here. When we heard it in this household, the hair on the back of the neck stood up. But, bottom line and deny it all you want to, but I daresay that nine out of ten of those making political hay of this gross and all but unpardonable misstep would have had the vaguest notion of what the term meant and where it came from before the memo came down.

Anti-Semitic? Hardly. That would have required her knowing what it was she was saying to begin with and having put some thought into it. She’s not that swuft. But, then neither or her detractors. Just one little gay Jew Boy’s opinion, but I’m not impressed by this sudden show of senisitivity.

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
8:53 am

thomas – 8:48 – well, of course, there was the tell-tale “I’m kiddin” that i guess you failed to spot in the middle of the column you linked to. then, there was also the conclusion “And if government officials aren’t willing or able to provide that assurance — well, the public probably won’t respond with pitchforks. They’ll just insist the bailout be stopped in its tracks, and it’ll be hard to blame them.”

oooooo … violent rhetoric, indeed.

(next time, you might want to read what you link to to make sure it actually supports the position you think it supports)

josef nix

January 13th, 2011
8:53 am

USinUk
@ 8:45

No, I’m saying you say one thing and do another.

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
8:54 am

Del – I never said that Sarah said anything about 2nd amendment solutions. nor, to my knowledge, did she say anything about the tree of liberty.

Lord Help Us

January 13th, 2011
8:55 am

I agree, jn, I do not believe SP actually knew the incendiary nature of her term. (I sure did not – alas I am shorn…)

If was an unforced error.

Del

January 13th, 2011
8:55 am

Well this topic sure looks like it may turn into a shootout but have to leave for awhile. Y’all behave!

josef nix

January 13th, 2011
8:56 am

PAUL
@ 8:48
I would agree with you.

Jay

January 13th, 2011
8:56 am

Josef, I concur. Palin had no idea what she was saying in using that phrase, and intended no insult.

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
8:57 am

jo nix – 8:53 – you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. when I start to espouse violence, then I’ll agree with you.

until that time, I don’t believe pointing the finger at a woman who is the embodiment of the Great and Powerful Oz (without the benefit of the man behind the curtain) qualifies.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

January 13th, 2011
8:58 am

Del
January 13th, 2011
8:55 am

Careful, Del. The left might construe your use of the word “shootout” as an endorsement for using guns to make your point.

josef nix

January 13th, 2011
8:58 am

L Help Us

Thank you. Really, and I mean this seriously, one side of me is grateful that so few know what blood libel is…it shows how far we HAVE come in expunging it and the evil it brought with it from our world view as Americans.

Paul

January 13th, 2011
8:58 am

Palin. Pavlov.

“Case Studies in Operant Conditioning Among the American Left” by Dr. Haywood Yayell, Harvard University Press, 2010.

josef, USinUK

http://tinyurl.com/4w2fd2s

I would not mind hearing thoughts about everything else she said, not just that phrase, especially in light of how her name came up in this context in the first place.

’bout all we have now is “well of course Sarah Palin didn’t have anything to do with this, BUT…..”

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

January 13th, 2011
8:59 am

USinUK
January 13th, 2011
8:57 am

I thought Obama had been annointed as the Great and Powerful Oz.

Keep up the good fight!

January 13th, 2011
9:00 am

Nix…I agree that Palin often cant spell but someone used a term that should have been avoided in her speech. Either she did not know what it meant and failed to look it up. Or she did and did it intentionally. Either way it does not excuse it nor is is excused by any likelihood that many Americans did not initially understand what it means. It was used for a meaning. Words does have consequences.

Jay

January 13th, 2011
9:00 am

USinUK’s use of the term “beyond the pale” itself has echoes in the history of anti-Semitism.

Doggone/GA

January 13th, 2011
9:01 am

“I do not believe SP actually knew the incendiary nature of her term”

On another blog someone suggested that she thought it the same thing, or similar to, a “blood feud” – probably as good an explanation as there is.

Rightwing Troll

January 13th, 2011
9:01 am

As I said earlier this week… By Friday it’s all water under the bridge and back to normal… It’s Thursday and all is normal here.

Paul

January 13th, 2011
9:02 am

clarification on previous post; I’d wager 99% of Americans have absolutely no idea what that term means.

Didn’t hear her remarks, but my impression was they were okay, made points that needed to be made, but a phrase or two may not have been thought through for implication.

When one uses an obscure term in such a way, one has to wonder what the purpose is.

USMC dawg

January 13th, 2011
9:02 am

First she says: “Run, Caribou Barbie, RUN!!!” (referring to Sarah Palin)

Then she says: “I’m sorry you are so blinded by your partisan hatred”

“HATRED”… Really?

Who is blinded by hate here? Everything out of your mouth is hateful and extreme…

-just a moderate bipartisan observation

Rightwing Troll

January 13th, 2011
9:03 am

BTW, sister Sarah had every right to refudiate those who critizied her… It’s us to blame for allowing her inane ramblings to become news…

md

January 13th, 2011
9:04 am

Have to say Jay, it is telling when Finn leads off with 2 negative posts, and you call out the other guys…………..guess it is all business as usual.

DawgDad

January 13th, 2011
9:04 am

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josef nix

January 13th, 2011
9:05 am

USinUK
And again, you are taking a partisan shot at her, which I do not necesarrily disagree with, in a cheap fashion rather than doing what our President warned us to be vigilent about. It’s all very good to parrot the line, but applying its lesson lasted, in your case, all of three minutes.

Look, I don’t consider myself any great paragon of virtue in this wrangling which has taken over the country. But at the same time, I am putting the effort into trying to ratchet it down a peg or two. I probably won’t succeed being as I am of the knee-jerk reactionary school of thought.

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
9:05 am

I see USMC needs to see the same dermatologist to have his thin skin treated .. if not that, then learn the difference between an object of amusement and an object of hatred

josef nix

January 13th, 2011
9:06 am

JAY

Yes, it does. And without googling, I wonder how many of us know what that phrase subliminally conjures up in some minds…

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

January 13th, 2011
9:06 am

Keep up the good fight!
January 13th, 2011
9:00 am

Good grief! You said “…Palin often cant spell…”. Did you read your own post? Grammar? Punctuation? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black……

barking frog

January 13th, 2011
9:06 am

All Presidents use all moments politically. That is
their job. 24 hours a day. The 2nd amendment was
written by the highly praised ‘founding fathers’ not
right wing conservatives and the writers made it
clear it should be used politically by the mention
of ‘militia’. Disagree with the Constitution? Change it.
When that no longer becomes available, 2nd amendment
will come into play. Trying to equate the 2nd amendment
with the mental state of the Tucson shooter would put
you into his mental state. Not a good place.

Moderate Line

January 13th, 2011
9:07 am

I saw an article(I wish I had the link) essentially attacking the parents of the shooter. If the guy is paranoid schizophrenic the parents are not to blame. There is nothing they did that caused him to be a schizophrenic.

Lord Help Us

January 13th, 2011
9:07 am

I was appreciative of the President’s words and tone last night.

It was hard not to see that the President had his own daughters’ innocense, ambitions and vulnerabilities in mind when speaking about the 9-year-old girl that died in the tragedy.

I hope his message to make ‘our Democracy country as good as Christina imagined it’ resonates.

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
9:10 am

jo nix – okay. fine. out of respect for what O said yesterday – and, frankly, out of respect for folks like you and Paul, I hereby declare that I will henceforth refrain from using expressions such as St. Sarah of the Tundra and Caribou Barbie when discussing Sarah Palin.

(I still hope she runs, though – O would be reelected in a landslide)

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

January 13th, 2011
9:10 am

Moderate Line
January 13th, 2011
9:07 am

What I find even worse was the lefty “journalist” who questioned the parenting skills of the little 9 year old girl who was murdered at the rally. The father merely said the didn’t want her death to prompt further measures to take away freedoms. It apparently made the left’s heads explode.

USinUK

January 13th, 2011
9:11 am

jo nix – 9:06 – my legs. they are so white, they really ARE beyond the pale.

President Hussein

January 13th, 2011
9:11 am

This comes from the same guy who said, “if they bring a knife to a fight, we’ll bring a gun”…and I’m supposed to take him seriously??? What a joke this tool of a president he is….