SecDef Gates announces surprising cuts in defense budget

From The Hill:

“Defense Secretary Robert Gates Thursday told Congress the administration is seeking $78 billion in cuts to the Defense budget over the next five years on top of $100 billion in efficiencies.

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Buck McKeon (R-Calif.) said after the morning briefing that he was deeply concerned about the surprising depth of the spending cuts. McKeon said he had gone into the meeting expecting to oppose the plan to trim $100 billion in waste when Gates announced the additional $78 billion in reductions.

“We are fighting two wars, you have China, you have Iran: Is this the time to be making these types of cuts?” McKeon said.

The depth of the cuts exceeded that predicted by defense analysts and appear to show the seriousness with which the White House is pursuing deficit reduction. Analysts had expected the approximately $80 billion in savings returned to the Treasury to come out of the $100 billion in savings Gates was seeking.”

Just to make sure it’s clear, $100 billion of the savings sought by Gates would be kept within the Defense Department and used for other defense purposes. The additional $78 billion over five years would be actual reductions in projected spending. (And again, just for clarity’s sake, the cuts are in projected spending — actual Defense spending would rise slightly and then level out over the next five years.)

I think the only way to understand this move is as the opening gambit of a series of budget-cutting, deficit-reducing proposals by the Obama administration. I don’t see it being reported that way yet, but it makes sense. The president is not going to make cutting defense his only or even his major deficit-reducing effort. Between now and his State of the Union address, I suspect we’ll see a string of similar announcements, so that he can tell the American people that he is doing his part to close the deficit and challenging the Republicans to do the same.

For example, the Gates proposal calls for “modest increases” in the amount that working-age veterans pay for health care through the government’s TriCare program, noting that such fees haven’t been raised since 1995. That makes sense, but it suggests that similar or greater increases will be proposed for civilian contributions to federal health-care programs, including perhaps for federal employees.

Again, this is all just conjecture on my part. But it’s the only thing that makes sense.

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Common Sense isn't very Common

January 6th, 2011
4:49 pm

Well at least they are talking about defense cuts. It’s a start

jm

January 6th, 2011
4:53 pm

jm

January 6th, 2011
4:56 pm

Let’s see if he’s willing to cut entitlements. Cut everything, and neither party individually can be blamed.

jm

January 6th, 2011
4:58 pm

Southern Comfort

January 6th, 2011
5:01 pm

That makes sense, but it suggests that similar or greater increases will be proposed for civilian contributions to federal health-care programs, including perhaps for federal employees.

That’s been going on for years. In the five years I’ve been with the fed, my insurance premiums alone have more than doubled. I think I’m around a 130% increase over the past 5 yrs. It’s not like I have much to choose from either. It’s either pay the increase, or go without coverage.

jm

January 6th, 2011
5:03 pm

On topic – Politico has a good article too

Facing a ballooning federal deficit, Gates was moving quickly to manage inevitable defense cuts to preserve as many investment dollars as possible. In May, he gave a speech at the Eisenhower Library in Kansas, urging the military services to find $100 billion in efficiencies over five years and that they could invest in higher priorities. Later, he asked the Defense Department for an additional $50 billion.

As with his first big setpiece budget showdown with Congress in April 2009, Gates faces immediate resistance to his planned cuts, especially the elimination of the EFV. The Marine Corps’ ability to invade hostile beaches is central to the service’s identity, so its leaders and congressional supporters are bitterly opposed to the loss of the vehicle that permits it to do just that.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47158.html#ixzz1AIHqqLt5

jm

January 6th, 2011
5:06 pm

Real Scooter

January 6th, 2011
5:08 pm

Both the Dems and Reps know we the people are tired of their crap and neither have the guts to make the necessary cuts in spending.

TaxPayer

January 6th, 2011
5:08 pm

Well, given this news, I would certainly expect the Republicans to counter with a sizeable tax cut in order to reduce the deficit even more than a meager 78 billion over five years.

heartlandboy

January 6th, 2011
5:10 pm

Hallelujah! About time time starting cutting the pork from the most oversized, bloated, inefficient, wasteful branch of gov’t.
starting with the salary of Captain Jerkoff of the Enterprise, who used our tax-payer’s money to produce sleazy smut videos.

jm

January 6th, 2011
5:10 pm

Entitlements:

the Rivlin-Ryan plan

http://www.american.com/archive/2011/january/two-cheers-for-rivlin-ryan

The plan has two principal features. First, people who turn 65 in 2021 or later would not enroll in existing Medicare. Instead, they would receive vouchers to purchase healthcare in the private market (the voucher amount would equal the average amount of Medicare expenditure per enrollee, growing at the same rate of growth as gross domestic product (GDP) plus 1 percentage point). These vouchers would introduce a meaningful element into the healthcare system, one currently missing from our single-payer Medicare program: price competition. By introducing competition for consumers into the insurance market, the voucher system will pressure insurers to compete on cost while maintaining a high standard of care.

Second, the Rivlin-Ryan plan would establish Medicaid block grants for states. These grants would continue providing states with federal Medicaid, but determine funding evenly by the state’s proportion of low-income residents, growing in future years at gross domestic product plus 1 percent (including adjustments for population growth). In exchange for slower growth in federal support for Medicaid, states would have a greater level of flexibility than under the current system. Overall, the plan would contain the growth of Medicare and Medicaid to the growth of GDP plus 1 percent.

Real Scooter

January 6th, 2011
5:13 pm

Dang Taxpayer,you are starting to sound like a broken record.Give it a rest already! Thanks.

josef nix

January 6th, 2011
5:15 pm

Let me see if I’ve got this straight, the Secretary of Defense proposes budget cuts for his own bailiwick and that’s found “objectionable?” That just don’t make no sense to me…

TaxPayer

January 6th, 2011
5:21 pm

SoCo,

You ready for the privatization of TSA.

TaxPayer

January 6th, 2011
5:22 pm

Dang Real Scooter. You are a broken record. Go to bed.

Jay

January 6th, 2011
5:23 pm

jm, I respect Alice Rivlin a great deal, and I’d be willing to consider a lot of approaches to cutting health-care costs. But I do have an important question. The segment you post states that “by introducing competition for consumers into the insurance market, the voucher system will pressure insurers to compete on cost while maintaining a high standard of care.”

If competition had such an effect in the medical field, why are we not already seeing that effect in the private, non-Medicare insurance market, where companies conceivably do compete on cost?

Real Scooter

January 6th, 2011
5:24 pm

Hey josef,if I’m thinking clearly(probably not),The budget cuts will be used elsewhere and not really be a cut. :???:

Pogo

January 6th, 2011
5:25 pm

Obama wants to reduce the hated corporations tax rates. He is truly a slick snakeoil salesman especially considering the anti-business mantra he has pounded out for the first two years of his administration. And his sheep, including Jay, will continue to think that the only thing we have to do is raise taxes and they will continue to support him. Obama is way smarter than the progressive sycophants that comprise his base and he is willing to do or say anything in the name of his own political expediency. The sad truth is, because of our debt, nothing, including raising taxes or for that matter not raising taxes, will do any good. This country is in deep trouble and the only thing people like Jay can do is to continue to play some kind of blame game in the name of their political ideology but that will not change the end result. America is about to suffer and it is going to suffer badly. However, one can’t blame Jay for being totally naieve because afterall, he receives a check every two weeks for continuously stirring up partisan political turmoil for a bunch of people who sadly have nothing else to do with their lives but to jump to his every post. No, there are only a handfull of them but for them, what Jay serves is their life. There is truly nothing sadder than a grown person posting “First” as some kind of victory. What have these peoples lives been reduced to?

Real Scooter

January 6th, 2011
5:26 pm

I’m in bed Taxpayer! :lol:

JohnnyReb

January 6th, 2011
5:26 pm

The $100 billion scenario sounds like new math used at one of those loan shark outfits near the military bases.

The $78 billion that would actually be removed from the DOD budget is Obama calling out the Republicans. Repubs will want to cut entitlements before deep cuts to DOD. Obama knows that and wants to use Repub pushback to the proposed cuts as political fodder.

josef nix

January 6th, 2011
5:26 pm

Scooter

Three card monte, eh? :-)

TaxPayer

January 6th, 2011
5:28 pm

Come on Jay. I know you know how insurance companies would compete on cost under the Republican plan. You divide up the groups to be insured by age and whether they have pre-existing conditions, etc., and offer competitive costs to those that you can make money off of.

TaxPayer

January 6th, 2011
5:30 pm

I’m in bed Taxpayer!

Then go to sleep. Pleasant dreams.

Doggone/GA

January 6th, 2011
5:30 pm

“The $100 billion scenario sounds like new math used at one of those loan shark outfits near the military bases.”

It is. It shouldn’t even be mentioned as it is not cutting anything out of the budget.

jm

January 6th, 2011
5:30 pm

Jay 5:23 – I think competition in the insurance market would improve. However, I think as you allude, to, that doesn’t really fix the underlying cost issue.

The underlying issue is choice and cost at the time of purchase of the health care service. This is fraught with complexity and generally lacking in “price transparency.” My biggest hope is that the combination of government investment in IT and a few technology apps can fix this.

The issue is, when you need a non-emergency CT, you have no idea what the price is. Consumers need to be empowered with technology that says – the CT where you are now costs $2,000, and the CT down the street costs $1,500, and here’s the price at the closest 3 hospitals.

Emergency care is a different issue. When you need emergency care, you’re going to the closest qualified hospital. However, after that, it is all about some of the metrics Obamacare wants to dig into – cost for service. Again, consumers can be empowered. If they know hospital A provides heart surgery with a lower death rate, and a lower cost – competition happens.

What I’m saying in simple terms, is consumers need better information at their fingertips. IT can be the cure…. and for people who don’t have Iphones, the hospital should have to disclose the price the closest 3 hospitals charge for the same slate of procedures.

We need a national procedure cost database….

Real Scooter

January 6th, 2011
5:31 pm

What have these peoples lives been reduced to

The blogosphere ? Maybe.

jm

January 6th, 2011
5:32 pm

“We need a national procedure cost database….” with outcomes data available alongside price….

josef nix

January 6th, 2011
5:35 pm

Free universal health care…anything else is just one more song and dance routine…I know, I know, this is socialism. Well, so what? The medical profession and the insurance companies in conjunction created this mess, so, pay up…

jm

January 6th, 2011
5:37 pm

josef nix – as one of the articles above states, Medicare IS single payer. And look how that has worked out.

If Congress was a well managed operation, that would be one thing. But it isn’t. Hence everyone’s terror of single payer and national healthcare….

josef nix

January 6th, 2011
5:38 pm

DUSTY
When you check in here as per my @ 5:35…see, I am brave and fearless, I’ll risk sleeping on the porch on a night like tonight! :-)

Real Scooter

January 6th, 2011
5:38 pm

Then go to sleep

I’d rather stay awake and hound you about your repeditive tax cut posts. I’ve read enough of your posts to know that you have a lot to contribute to Jay’s threads.

josef nix

January 6th, 2011
5:39 pm

jm
Medicare has worked out pretty well in my opinion…and to hell with single payer…I said free, universal!

Doggone/GA

January 6th, 2011
5:41 pm

““We need a national procedure cost database….” with outcomes data available alongside price….”

Wasn’t something like that proposed in the healthcare overhaul bill and shot down as being part of the so-called “death panels”?

jm

January 6th, 2011
5:41 pm

“free, universal” well that would work out swimmingly….. as you well know…

“Push this red button to self destruct”

“Do not push this red button”

Ooops.

jm

January 6th, 2011
5:42 pm

Doggone – something similar is contemplated I think, although I don’t know if they plan to find a good way to stick the data in the consumer’s hands.

The death panel thing was separate….

josef nix

January 6th, 2011
5:43 pm

jm

works all right in other developed nations…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 6th, 2011
5:44 pm

Well, if they cut the defense budget I don’t know how we’ll ever be able to start another war to take the place of the one that’s winding down in Iraq. I mean, just look at all the jobs that will be lost.

I say we leave the defense budget fat and start cutting the money for the old geezers and the jobless bums and people like that. That’s the Republican way of doing things. This Robert Gates might say he’s a Republican but he’s just a librul Democrat in disguise. Ignore him and start whacking the money somewhere else. He’s just plain Unpatriotic.

Have a good night everybody.

Doggone/GA

January 6th, 2011
5:44 pm

“The death panel thing was separate….”

I think, though, that it all got lumped together as “the government deciding who lives and who dies”

jm

January 6th, 2011
5:45 pm

Off to go schmooze with some socialist tree huggers. I keep trying to convince them the most rational cost effective environmental thing for the ATL is white roofs. They want to become fiat developers and have an oversight panel of bureaucratic consultants (”genius” full employment laws) if you want to put in a new toilet or paint your walls. They don’t listen well. Cheerio folks, may check in later…

JohnnyReb

January 6th, 2011
5:45 pm

Josef, I hope you like dancing! Free universal health care sounds good. The problem of course is, nothing is free. And, there is a growing movement where the producers don’t want to pay for moochers. I know, I know, we are greedy conservatives. Personally, I don’t mind paying for some of the moochers to have health care IF we could reduce the number of moochers down from the current 47% not paying any federal income taxes.

Dusty

January 6th, 2011
5:46 pm

Gates is one of the smartest people in Washington (and the most quiet). He ran the CIA, a university, and did the same job for Bush he is doing for Obama. He cares about the COUNTRY. I was not surprised when I heard his plan some time back. The funds will be held for new items needed in the military. So it is like putting money in the bank for later expenses.

Smart man! Conservative thinking! If only HE would run for the presidency but he won’t. I think he has already said so.

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josef nix

January 6th, 2011
5:50 pm

JohnnyReb

No moochers in this as far as I’m concerned…free and universal…health care should be a right (Brazil) and not a luxury…like education and national security…sure, it costs, but it’s money well spent, IMHO.

i’m not getting into that 47% thingie…

Scout

January 6th, 2011
5:50 pm

……………… and at the same time he is sending 1,400 more Marines to Afghanistan.

“AIR RAID PEARL HARBOR, THIS IS NO DRILL”

jm

January 6th, 2011
5:53 pm

Dusty

January 6th, 2011
5:55 pm

JOSEF,

So you got thrown out in the cold to sleep on the porch? Uh huh…But the weatherman did say SNOW and the weatherman is never wrong.

I’ll have you know that I am a health professional and I did NOT make THAT “care” mess. It was those shiftless schoolteachers. That’s who..They are always up to something!

TaxPayer

January 6th, 2011
5:59 pm

I’ve read enough of your posts to know that you have a lot to contribute to Jay’s threads.

Of course I do and this issue with the Republicans exempting tax cuts from any scrutiny regarding their impact on the deficit deserves repeating along with their stoopid claims that tax cuts increase tax revenues.

BADA BING

January 6th, 2011
6:00 pm

Hey Scout……I was feeling depressed today and call ed the Suicide Hotline. I talked to an operator and told him I had suicidal thoughts. I noticed when we talked that he had an accent and I asked where the call center was located, and he told me Pakistan. He wasn’t much help, but he wanted to know if I knew how to drive a truck.

JohnnyReb

January 6th, 2011
6:01 pm

Josef – so you don’t want to get into the 47% thingie. I respect that, but have to state the 47% thingie is a big part of the problem. Everyone, no matter their lot in life, has to contribute something if this semi-socialist situation we have has any chance of improving. If I was in charge, everyone would work at something. Forced work; would that make me a communist?

Real Scooter

January 6th, 2011
6:03 pm

Is there really such a thing as free health care? I think those of us in the middle class will always be paying for ourselves and the poor folks.

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 6th, 2011
6:09 pm

If I were the President, I’d go to each department head and tell them to submit a budget request to me, with a 5% reduction. I wouldn’t necessarily follow what they proposed, if I thought it was wrong but that would get the ball rolling, and that’s how I’d work up the budget I submitted to Congress. If Congress wanted to increase something, then they’d have to take the heat.

Real Scooter

January 6th, 2011
6:10 pm

TaxPayer

January 6th, 2011
5:59 pm

I agree with you on the tax cuts Taxpayer. Since you feel so strongly about it,I’ll not hound you about it(or hump your leg as AmVet would say). You really should try to get over it though. :smile:

Real Scooter

January 6th, 2011
6:14 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 6th, 2011
6:09 pm

If you run for Prez,I’ll vote for ya!

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 6th, 2011
6:18 pm

Real Scooter

I don’t really want your vote; I’d be more than happy with a campaign contribution, though. ;-)

(See last nights discussion)

josef nix

January 6th, 2011
6:19 pm

DUSTY
You’ve been talking to Unmentionable again, I can see. And to cap it off, all I get for supper is Chinese take-out! From off-shore, no doubt! :-)

josef nix

January 6th, 2011
6:23 pm

Hillbilly…
I agree, only I’d go for 10%

And I’m for free, universal health care for the same reason I am the same income tax rate for all…nobody could kvetch any more than anybody else…

Scout

January 6th, 2011
6:25 pm

BADA BING :

Don’t do that ! I hit my knee on the desk I was laughing so hard.

Southern Comfort

January 6th, 2011
6:30 pm

You ready for the privatization of TSA.

There are airports that have already privatized. It doesn’t matter though because they’re still subject to TSA rules and regulations. The only difference is that the workers don’t wear TSA uniforms.

Dusty, I left this one downstairs for you, but I’ll post it here to make sure you get it.

But but but SOCO…Obama was hailed by Democrats as an ExtraTerrestial Being who could CHANGE this country with a snap of his fingers. The voters believed it. NOW you don’t believe it?? Oh ye of little faith!!!

Obama was painted that way by the Right as to what they thought the Left thought about Obama. I have yet to hear any on the Left refer to Obama that way. In all honesty, the Left was no worse over Obama than what the Right is over Reagan. The Right is always on a quest to deitify people. The voters wanted a change from what they currently had in office. That’s all.

Hillbilly Deluxe

January 6th, 2011
6:32 pm

josef

I wouldn’t have a big problem with 10%, but 5%, theoretically, would be easier to get through.

On the tax thing, it’d probably take 30 years to phase in, but I’d like to see all the breaks, deductions, etc done away with. You make “x” amount of dollars, you pay “y% of x” in taxes. I don’t think the lawyers, accountants, etc, will ever let that happen, though.

I also think another radical idea we should think about trying is, no withholding. You get a tax bill quarterly, semi-annually, or annually (to be determined) and you have to cough up your taxes. Everybody would have a much better understanding of how much they pay in taxes, and I think that might cause the public to put pressure on the politicians, to keep spending at lower levels. Withholding is a far more convenient way of doing things, but it tends to lull folks to sleep, about what things actually cost.

F. Sinkwich

January 6th, 2011
6:34 pm

All hail the messiah! He’s cutting government spending!

Well, just spending by an organization he hates. But it’s a start I guess.

How about some serious cuts in EPA, the Department of Education, Planned Parenthood, NPR, etc., the liberal sacred cows?

Just a thought.

md

January 6th, 2011
6:39 pm

“Just to make sure it’s clear, $100 billion of the savings sought by Gates would be kept within the Defense Department and used for other defense purposes. The additional $78 billion over five years would be actual reductions in projected spending. (And again, just for clarity’s sake, the cuts are in projected spending — actual Defense spending would rise slightly and then level out over the next five years.)”

Ok, moving $100 billion around the house is now considered “saving”, and the $78 billion is saved because they are only raising the budget a wee bit instead.

Anybody else see a problem with those numbers??

I see debt climbing with zero reductions……………

Paulo977

January 6th, 2011
6:40 pm

josef @5:25pm
“josef nix

January 6th, 2011
5:35 pm
“Free universal health care…anything else is just one more song and dance routine”……Of course!

Unfortunately, it may take decades and decades and decades for this selfish nation to finally figure out that uplifting and empowering the weak in the society will also create a more healthy and productive nation !

josef nix

January 6th, 2011
6:40 pm

Hillbilly
I agree that 10% probably wouldn’t fly, but in the wrangling to cut down, we might get your 5%…starting there, we probably would get 2.5%…

I agree with you, too, on the tax accountants, lawyers, etc. throwing a hissy…and getting their way…

I had never really thought about your doing away with withholding, but it makes sense to me the way that you put it..

Those who do get zapped with that yearly bill do tend to be the ones doing the most kvetching…

Doggone/GA

January 6th, 2011
6:41 pm

“it may take decades and decades and decades for this selfish nation to finally figure out that uplifting and empowering the weak in the society will also create a more healthy and productive nation ”

Yeah, well…look how long it took to come to that realization about WOMEN

md

January 6th, 2011
6:43 pm

Isn’t that the same math they use at the grocery store????

Mr soandso, you saved $77.22……….

Yeh, but I spent $649.50 in groceries……………

F. Sinkwich

January 6th, 2011
6:43 pm

Paul:

“Unfortunately, it may take decades and decades and decades for this selfish nation to finally figure out that uplifting and empowering the weak in the society will also create a more healthy and productive nation !”

Could you please define “uplifting” and “empowering?” Defining “weak” would be nice too.

Thanks.

md

January 6th, 2011
6:44 pm

“Unfortunately, it may take decades and decades and decades for this selfish nation to finally figure out that uplifting and empowering the weak in the society will also create a more healthy and productive nation !”

Yep, it will take that long for folks to understand that selfish is a two-way street…………….

josef nix

January 6th, 2011
6:46 pm

PAULO
And I can’t for the life of me figure out how people can’t see that…really, it’s probably more a “conservative” philosophy than a “liberal” one…it’s so short sighted, more concerned with the initial investment than with the return a healthy society is a productive society and a productive workforce is good for business…

Real Scooter

January 6th, 2011
6:50 pm

Yeah, well…look how long it took to come to that realization about WOMEN

We didn’t come to that realizatoion! Y’all forced yourselves on us. :lol:

Doggone/GA

January 6th, 2011
6:53 pm

“We didn’t come to that realizatoion! Y’all forced yourselves on us”

Yeah, and some people never got the message!

N-GA

January 6th, 2011
6:56 pm

WHen Jay published his op-ed on the border fence that really kept no one out, one poster (was it Scout?) noted that all the border patrol needed was a gun. Well…….
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_mexico_shooting

josef nix

January 6th, 2011
6:57 pm

Sinkwich
Yeah, I can see those cuts in education…you evidently aren’t suffering from the lack… :-)

PAULO
One of my relatives, a successful and rather cold-blooded capitalist running dog, many, many moons ago in addition to the decent employers’ insurance his firm offered, also put in and staffed a clinic on premisis to which the workers’ families had access…the rationale? Preventative health care…calling in sick? Fine, pass by the clinic and let’s see how bad it is and if you need to go to the doctor/hospital. flu shots, birth control, vd checks, breast scans, that kind of thing…absenteeism went w-a-a-y down and productivity increased…the workforce was also more loyal and the cutback on training of new employees itself paid for the program…

md

January 6th, 2011
6:59 pm

OK guys, I’ll ask again……if 1/3 of folks make a choice (selfish?) to drop out of the assistance program we are already funding for them called “education”, how many programs do we set up for those that choose not to participate??

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 6th, 2011
6:59 pm

One way to get 47% of the people to pay income taxes is for the companies to have FT jobs paying above minimum wage instead of PT no benefit positions (like has been the trend for the last 10 years).

Scout

January 6th, 2011
7:02 pm

N-GA :

Not me.

josef nix

January 6th, 2011
7:02 pm

md
2 6:59
Because 2/3 WOULD take advantage?

Real Scooter

January 6th, 2011
7:03 pm

Yeah, and some people never got the message!

You can’t mean me Doggone,cause I got the message and the shaft. Whew!

N-GA

January 6th, 2011
7:03 pm

Common Sense: Another way is to restrict the employment of “independent contractors” such as carpenters, bricklayers, painters and even limousine drivers who rarely file taxes. If they do, they certainly don’t file truthful returns…apologies to those independent contractors out there who actually file accurate returns.

F. Sinkwich

January 6th, 2011
7:05 pm

“One way to get 47% of the people to pay income taxes is for the companies to have FT jobs paying above minimum wage instead of PT no benefit positions (like has been the trend for the last 10 years).”

Even if the business owner loses money in order to do that?

N-GA

January 6th, 2011
7:06 pm

Sorry Scout, the poster was:

JKL2

January 5th, 2011
9:54 am
SoCo- You build a fence, they bring a ladder. You build a bigger fence, they bring a bigger ladder

That’s what the automatic weapons are for…

Real Scooter

January 6th, 2011
7:07 pm

md

January 6th, 2011
6:59 pm

Dang dude,how bout asking an easier question? lol

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 6th, 2011
7:09 pm

HD – quarterly tax bills for employees? the 1099 program has been in existance for years. Many people who were once employees became 1099’s. They are SUPPOSED to pay their taxes quarterly etc. with income tax returns being filed April 15th.

This has become a vehicle for many companies and 1099ers to avoid paying ANY income taxes on employment wages (especially illegal immigrants).

1099ers are RESPONSIBLE for all taxes associated with employment (UI, SS, etc) but as wages sank since 1995 many have not contributed their taxes to the Gov’t causing fewer and fewer to pay more and more. It would be easier to modify the 1099 to withhold a certain percent and then require filing taxes quarterly to make up any shortfall/overage.

Lil' Barry Bailout

January 6th, 2011
7:10 pm

The Idiot Messiah is moving to the center…note his appointment of one of his Wall Street fatcat buddies as his chief of staff.

md

January 6th, 2011
7:11 pm

“Because 2/3 WOULD take advantage?”

Yes…..and they are the ones that some here call “selfish”. What about the 1/3 that chooses NOT to participate??

Here is a snapshot of costs associated with dropouts:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/28/eveningnews/main6528227.shtml

I’ll ask again…..just who are the selfish ones??

Southern Comfort

January 6th, 2011
7:11 pm

if 1/3 of folks make a choice (selfish?) to drop out of the assistance program we are already funding for them called “education”, how many programs do we set up for those that choose not to participate??

Only one, jail. Do you think that Asian cultures or other cultures that revere education have as big of a problem with drop-outs as we do? No government program will change that 1/3. That change has to come from a change in culture and a change at home.

Mick

January 6th, 2011
7:12 pm

pogo

Nice essay and critique. I hope you realize that your pessimistic outlook never would have cut it at many junctures in american history. We were on a fairly good path until 2000. So, in ten years you think we’ve managed to destroy the whole future of america? See why so many of us don’t trust republicans? This insanity of tax cuts has hallowed out some otherwise pretty sane brain cells. The eisenhower republicans were not insane. They did not go after social security, they did not demonize unions, they helped build the greatest middle class ever. Now, after thirty years of tax cutting, look around, america is a mess. I don’t like paying taxes either but if paying an extra $50 or $100 a year and for the wealthy a grand or ten, I’ll do that for my country. EVERY american needs to pay some and some should pay more. Freeze all programs and start investing in the future for the kids behind us – lord knows they’re going to need it…

F. Sinkwich

January 6th, 2011
7:14 pm

Common,

Perhaps we should eliminate withholding and force all to write checks to the government every month for taxes, SS, etc.

Wouldn’t that be the end of liberalism?

Mary Elizabeth

January 6th, 2011
7:14 pm

Paulo977 @ 6:40 and
Josef @ 6:46

It is simply called selfishness. Plain and simple. God help us if this is the nation we are willing to become. Details explained can be simply a camouflage for a selfish soul. Beware of surface. Look into intent.

md

January 6th, 2011
7:16 pm

“That’s 7,000 every school day — one dropout every 26 seconds. ”

“Dropouts cost taxpayers more than $8 billion annually in public assistance programs like food stamps. High school dropouts earn about $10 thousand less a year than workers with diplomas. That’s $300 billion in lost earnings every year. They’re more likely to be unemployed: 15 percent are out of work versus a national average of 9.4 percent. They also are more likely to be incarcerated. Almost 60 percent of federal inmates are high school drop outs. “

F. Sinkwich

January 6th, 2011
7:18 pm

Mick:

“I don’t like paying taxes either but if paying an extra $50 or $100 a year…I’ll do that for my country.”

Please let me know if you did that on April 18.

md

January 6th, 2011
7:18 pm

Mary,

If we choose everything we do (and we do), how are those that choose to drop out not selfish??

Simple question…………..

@@

January 6th, 2011
7:19 pm

Watched Gates on PBS NewsHour with Jim Lehrer. Although he proposed defense cuts, he also said we can’t leave ourselves vulnerable in an age where threats are everywhere.

AJC is promoting “Muscle Warfare”? Build your body with “Nuke”, “Napalm” and “MOAB”.

Ripped on synthetics.

Alrighty din!

Southern Comfort

January 6th, 2011
7:24 pm

md

I understand and agree with your point on dropouts. However, I don’t see how lumping that much of the blame on that one group helps. Sure, you have dropouts who are on welfare. However, you have dropouts like Bill Gates on the opposite end of the spectrum. At the same time, you have people with advanced degrees living homeless on the streets. I don’t think there’s a cut-n-dry easy answer in regards to your selfishness statement. What can be viewed by one person as selfishness could be viewed by the person committing the act as hopelessness. It’s all in perspective. Before you come back with it all boils down to choices, I’ll agree with you on that. Sometimes the choices are not easy ones, and not all choices are obvious to the person making them.

AmVet

January 6th, 2011
7:26 pm

Finally.

Someone with the balls to touch the sacred Federal Government’s Gigantic Jobs Program.

This ain’t gonna sit well with the members of the 101st Chairborne in the Permanent War Party, as evidenced by that idiotic question, “We are fighting two wars, you have China, you have Iran: Is this the time to be making these types of cuts?”

Of course not, Buckaroo. And given the wishes of you and your fellow GOP chickenhawks, we will never again have a time without multiple Crusades.

Del

January 6th, 2011
7:27 pm

Cutting the EFV was Obama, Gates and Mullins way of punishing the Marine Corps for being politically incorrect on their non-support of DADT. The cuts that the little weasel Gates is throwing out is really just smoke and mirrors to benefit his boss in the White House. What a politically driven waste Gates is but Bush appointed him.

josef nix

January 6th, 2011
7:29 pm

md

January 6th, 2011
7:29 pm

soco,

I agree, it isn’t cut and dried and applied to the entire group, but some here have no problem applying the selfish label in the other direction basically the same way……………..

Merely pointing out that selfish can be and is a two way street. Also, it is such a false flag to accuse folks of being selfish if they don’t agree with their definition of compassion…………

Disgusted

January 6th, 2011
7:29 pm

“Dropouts cost taxpayers more than $8 billion annually in public assistance programs like food stamps.

I don’t see a solution being offered here. You expect a 16-year-old to make a rational decision about staying in school? You’re implicitly heavy on the punishment—he]] with them, they deserve what they get, etc.—but you aren’t proposing any solution to the dropout problem. Yours is essentially a negative argument. It’s the same one used to describe all unemployed people as bums, etc.

@@

January 6th, 2011
7:30 pm

O.K., for those who have been camped out here…

has Getalife regained access? Is he posting?

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 6th, 2011
7:30 pm

F. Sinkwich@7:05 pm and 7:14 pm

Even if the business owner loses money in order to do that?

Perhaps we should eliminate withholding and force all to write checks to the government every month for taxes, SS, etc.

Wouldn’t that be the end of liberalism?
——————

Really Walmart, Kmart, Sears can’t afford to hire 1 FT employee instead of 2 PT employees?

(the PT employee sometimes is forced to work more than 1 job incurring the added expense of transportation to multiple jobs)

This is not about liberalism or conservatism

Everyone is bitching that 47% don’t pay income taxes (although they pay other taxes).

This would be a practical way to increase gov’t revenue by having an employer withhold taxes and submitting to the gov’t while at the same time making the employee responsible for filing his/her quarterlies. Thereby ending the non filing issue.

At the same time revenue neutral programs need to be enacted (PAYGO) and all other federal programs gone through carefully for waste.

The only problematic area is technology which the fed is famous for outsourcing (sometimes to foreign companies(which is another favorite rant of mine LOL))