Fox News is master of its domain, such as it is
“Fox News will mark 2010 as one of the best years since the network’s launch in 1996. The network posted powerful ratings, beating the combined ratings of CNN and MSNBC and marking the ninth straight year as cable’s top news network.
According to Nielsen, the top five cable news programs in terms of total viewers and viewers 25-54 (the metric used by advertisers and considered the most important by networks) were all on Fox: The O’Reilly Factor (781,000 viewers 25-54); Hannity (585,000); Glenn Beck (572,000); On the Record (481,000); and The O’Reilly Factor repeat (447,000).”
MSNBC beat CNN for the second straight year among viewers 25-54, and for the first time beat CNN among total primetime viewers as well. The numbers for CNN are truly abysmal, not only compared to Fox and MSNBC, but compared to its own numbers of a year ago. Total primetime viewers of CNN fell by 34 percent compared to 2009.
However, Fox viewership fell as well, declining 7 percent in primetime and 8 percent among primetime viewers in the 25-54 demographic. And to put things in some perspective, “The O’Reilly Factor” drew an average of 3.2 million viewers a night. That makes him the king of cable news talk, but well behind network news shows. (For the week of Dec. 20, NBC averaged 9.5 million viewers a night, ABC averaged 8 million a night and CBS averaged 6.2 million).
With roughly 1 percent of America watching, his numbers also put him well behind cable competitors such as his show’s spiritual cousin, World Wrestling Entertainment, and Spongebob Squarepants on Nickelodeon, both of which often pull 5 million or more viewers.
In addition, “The Daily Show” with Jon Stewart and “The Colbert Report” with Stephen Colbert both regularly outdraw O’Reilly among the younger demographic sought by advertisers. In fact, it’s striking how old the O’Reilly audience skews (3.2 million average audience, just 781,000 of them between 25 and 54.)
All that said, however, there’s no question of Fox News’ success within its narrow field, nor about the profitability of its approach.
– Jay Bookman
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TnGelding
December 30th, 2010
9:25 am
It’s amazing what it covers as “news.” Can you say repetition ad nauseum?
james
December 30th, 2010
9:29 am
New Years prediction- BS will have to walk a little faster. The public (not the gov’t) will demand more facts and less biased garbage.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
December 30th, 2010
9:30 am
Jay, cry not that the bell tolls for CNN, which Fox News has rendered irrelevant, for its audience far exceeds, and decays at a far slower rate, than that of the AJC.
(disclosure item: Gretchen Carlson is a close personal friemd dating back to when she was in Dallas)
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
9:31 am
“but well behind network news shows”
Jay…I wish you had included some numbers. I do get so tired of hearing that FOX is the #1 news network, or that this or that FOX show is #1 on TV…when the truth is they are only #1 on CABLE. They don’t even come close to the broadcast networks.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
December 30th, 2010
9:31 am
Good morning all. I would gauge the essay of our host as reasonably fair and balanced, although it smacks of sour grapes. On the issue, I think O’Reilly’s opinion show and Bret Bair’s news show were the only television shows I watched this year, although I watched those two reasonably regularly. The appeal – they talk about stuff the other places do not. Same appeal I find with the WSJ. Just coincidence that they are controlled by the same company, I suppose.
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
9:31 am
How is it that FOX gets so many viewers given that Republicans claim to not watch their shows and no Democrat in his left mind would dream of doing so. Perhaps it is all the right-leaning Independents.
Howard Beale
December 30th, 2010
9:31 am
I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell – ‘I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore!’
Matti
December 30th, 2010
9:32 am
I’m sick of “news” organizations that spend more time telling us how to feel about a ten-second partial tidbit of a news item than they do presenting facts about the item. Just give us as many facts as you can find about what happened, and let the viewers decide how we feel about it! But the money comes from whipping people into a gotta-tune-in frenzy that supports their existing biases, so that’s not likely to happen.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
December 30th, 2010
9:34 am
Maybe sour grapes was too harsh by me, but I thought it a nice touch that our host included shows familiar to our leftist friends (SpngeBob, WWE, Nickelodeon) to give them a frame of reference they could appreciate.
Howard Beale
December 30th, 2010
9:35 am
I would like at this moment to announce that I will be retiring from this program in two weeks’ time because of poor ratings. Since this show is the only thing I had going for me in my life, I’ve decided to kill myself. I’m going to blow my brains out right on this program a week from today. So tune in next Tuesday. That should give the public relations people a week to promote the show. You ought to get a hell of a rating out of that. 50 share, easy
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
9:35 am
Well if we go by the ratings numbers to determine reliabilty, which is what is heard from the right so often, CNN should hire Spongebob to present the news….
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
9:36 am
“no Democrat in his left mind would dream of doing so.”
Well, I don’t watch FOX but it has nothing to do with “not dreaming of doing so” – as I’ve stated before, I just don’t like their house “style.” It irritates me and I don’t get enough out of it to judge them on the facts they present.
cosby smith
December 30th, 2010
9:37 am
Pick on Republicans, pick on Fox news..must be a slow day at the AJC
RAMBLE ON!!!
December 30th, 2010
9:41 am
Wow Jay, no cheap shots. I’m shocked. I guess you’re just teeing it up for your sheep.
USSRinUK, Normal, Amvet, in three, two, one…
Mick
December 30th, 2010
9:41 am
Maybe fox is so prolific because it is on every tv in restaurants, hotel lobby’s, hospital waiting rooms, car dealership waiting rooms etc. When I asked if they could change the channel the answer is no because of some deal with fox and cable….cheaters.
Howard Beale
December 30th, 2010
9:43 am
So. A rich little man with white hair died. What has that got to do with the price of rice, right? And *why* is that woe to us? Because you people, and sixty-two million other Americans, are listening to me right now. Because less than three percent of you people read books! Because less than fifteen percent of you read newspapers! Because the only truth you know is what you get over this tube. Right now, there is a whole, an entire generation that never knew anything that didn’t come out of this tube! This tube is the Gospel, the ultimate revelation. This tube can make or break presidents, popes, prime ministers… This tube is the most awesome God-damned force in the whole godless world, and woe is us if it ever falls in to the hands of the wrong people, and that’s why woe is us that Edward George Ruddy died. Because this company is now in the hands of CCA – the Communication Corporation of America. There’s a new Chairman of the Board, a man called Frank Hackett, sitting in Mr. Ruddy’s office on the twentieth floor. And when the twelfth largest company in the world controls the most awesome God-damned propoganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what shit will be peddled for truth on this network?
Jay
December 30th, 2010
9:44 am
Doggone, the numbers you requested have now been added.
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
9:45 am
Thanks Jay!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 30th, 2010
9:47 am
Well, us old, Conservative f-rts watch Fox News all the time. We ain’t had a new idea or changed our thinking about anything in about 30 years, and that’s the way it should be. If it was good enough for my Pappy and my Grandpappy, it ought to be good enough for me.
So let Bookman and the young pups throw off on Fox. I’ll keep my TV tuned right where it always is. I’ll just say this: we was alot better off back in the 1930s than we are today.
Have a good Thursday everybody.
Mick
December 30th, 2010
9:53 am
I used to watch nightly news every day then katie couric came and I went over to brian williams. I got tired of nbc real quick and haven’t watched nightly news in more than 3 years, and I’m not coming back. Prefer local news, local newspaper and internet. Read opinion columns krugman, krauthammer hiassen, bookman, to name a few..
barking frog
December 30th, 2010
9:56 am
Fox is in the ‘henhouse’. Costs are minimal.
making the distributors of his advertising
pay him to distribute. He stole the business
model of the freebie networks and went one
better. Murdoch is King.
N
December 30th, 2010
9:57 am
This pleases Rupert Murdoch, who spends quality time figuring out how to dominate the world. He’s pretty much on track.
Road Scholar
December 30th, 2010
9:58 am
Matti @ 9:32: I gree with you with the addition of providing a brief history of what led up to the news piece. Some of the conjecture (like who will the Repubs nominate) is not news, just wasted time.
jt
December 30th, 2010
10:01 am
MSNBC,CNN,FOXNews all spew nothing but State-approved Propaganda.
FOX= Hate Muslims and War,War,War.
MSNBC=Hate the rich and War,War,War.(only if their boy is president).
CNN=Hate the rich and Ted Turner and War,War,War.
I was watching O’Reilly last night and the topic was Julian Assange. NO LIE————his mug shot was displayed alongside Charlie Manson and John Wayne Gacey.
What idiots.
C’mon Jay, tell us your opinion on the global Hero of liberty, Julien Assange.
Dave
December 30th, 2010
10:02 am
A little off topic, but definately relevant:
From Larry Elder – $5 Gas Predicted Under Obama — What, No Pitchforks?
“Five dollars per gallon of gas by 2012! A former president of Shell Oil considers this likely. The average price on Christmas Day for a gallon of regular gas reached $3.28 in Los Angeles County, the highest price since October 2008. In one month, the price rose 13 cents, up 35 cents year to year.
Where are the calls to sic Obama’s Justice Department on Big Oil to hold the oil companies accountable for “market manipulation”? Why aren’t we hunting down the amoral “oil speculators” responsible for repealing the law of supply-and-demand in order to line their pockets?
During President George W. Bush’s administration, we constantly heard demands to hold the President accountable for “Big Oil’s price gouging.” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., just two years ago, knew exactly whom to blame for “skyrocketing” oil prices: “The price of oil is at the doorstep; $4-plus per gallon for oil is attributed to two oilmen in the White House and their protectors in the United States Senate.”
In 2007, when the average national price ranged from $2.17 to $3.22, then-Sen. Barack Obama demanded that the Federal Trade Commission investigate Big Oil for “price manipulation.” In 2008, presidential candidate Obama urged the Justice Department “to open an investigation into whether energy traders have been engaged in illegal activities that have helped drive up the price of oil and food.”
Obama also called for “a windfall profits penalty on oil selling at or over $80 per barrel.” As of Christmas 2010, a barrel of oil sold at slightly above $90. What happened to the windfall profits tax?
Yes, back then the average price per gallon was four bucks. But blaming “oilman” Bush for high prices began when the average price was well below today’s $3.05 national average.
The average price was $1.72 on March 5, 2003, when CBS News posted a story online with this headline: “Dems Blame Bush For High Oil Prices.” It referred to an investigative report by Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich. Levin blamed Bush’s post-9/11 decision to increase the amount of oil in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve by 40 million barrels in 2002 — bringing the total to 600 million. Levin said, “We’re confident this had a significant impact on the price of oil in 2002.” Never mind that the Bush administration called the amount of oil diverted too small to matter.”
Left wing management
December 30th, 2010
10:04 am
I guess the suits at CNN are holding out to see what their numbers look like as we start moving into the election season, which is where – along with disasters (by the way I wonder how their numbers were during the Haiti and oil spill events of this year) – they typically make up ground. If their numbers remain slack into 2011 and 2012, then they know they’ve got a huge problem. And frankly, they’ll probably deserve it. As I see it, they’re the journalistic equivalent of Barack Obama, who suffers from a naive fantasy of a magic “middle” ground of objectivity and reasonableness. Which is obviously not what the moment calls for, nor is it what the people want.
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
10:04 am
Fox has mastered the “some people say/think” innuendo. Especially when the “innuendo” is presented in a Fox segment and becomes the source. And of course, there is the daily email to Fox talking heads about the words they shall and shall not use.
Of course, they do talk about other things the other networks dont talk about….like reporting stories from The Onion as true.
Dave
December 30th, 2010
10:06 am
Of course I’d theorize that the Dems “outrage” was pure political at the time and, in the end, would prefer high gas prices (remember the calls for increasing the gas tax?) to alter the populace’s behavior to reduce our driving and/or “pursuade” us to purchase little 4-door lawnmowers in the name of “global warming”, i mean, “climate change”.
larry
December 30th, 2010
10:07 am
Spongebob Squarepants ……Bill O’Really
Whats the difference?
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
10:09 am
….like reporting stories from The Onion as true.
Are you serious Keep?
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
10:09 am
larry,
I think Spongebob is more entertaining, you know, as far as entertainers go. He’s more deep (pun intended).
Intown
December 30th, 2010
10:10 am
Fox News is trash. Absolute trash. It is clear that the vast majority of americans are moderate and sane folks who don’t yell and don’t like to be handed political propaganda and overs sensationalized stories passed off as news. They prefer network news and Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert. G-d bless ‘em. I’m one of ‘em.
Tommy Maddox
December 30th, 2010
10:10 am
The news they report is basically the same that all other networks report. They do carry stories that the other networks refuse to carry due their own agenda.
What galls the Left, as is evident on these blogs on a daily basis, is Fox’s commentary shows. Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly, are all opinion shows. The Left howls about opinion commentators as being news anchors: wrong.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
10:10 am
Jay, why the need to minimize Fox News’ ratings and financial dominance?
Ragnar Danneskjöld
December 30th, 2010
10:10 am
Dear Larry @ 10:07, conservatives appreciate political analysis by O’Reilly, leftists appreciate political analysis by SpongeBob.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
10:11 am
Although I must admit about O’Reilly, the only time I’ve ever seen him was his appearances on other shows — I guess he is more tame then.
I saw him on Bill Maher’s show once and it was odd that he and Bill agreed on some things. That’s what I’ve always suspected — if you take these talking heads out of their elements, just like us, they (we) actually agree with more than you think.
Bill Orvis White
December 30th, 2010
10:12 am
Why does FOX News win so much? Answer: Because most of America relates to what they present. It’s that simple. Americans are sick and tired of being overtaxed by the elites in Washington who spend our money on unnecessary programs that do not benefit anyone. Most of America is tired of being lied to by the MSM (mainstream media) which brainwashes the masses with a pro-Socialist agenda. Those ideas weaken this nation on so many fronts. In my opinion and many others across this nation, the MSM has damaged this country by weakening our military and promoting cultural decay.
The reason for the decline at the other cable nets and pro-government newspapers like the AJC is that these outlets are out of touch with the common man who is trying to make a simple buck and attend church.
Thank the Lord Almighty for FOX News which questions how our government is forcing items like health care down our throats. Yes, Liberal Jay, there will be death panels and just the other day, FOX News did a huge segment on it. Where was the MSM on this story? Answer: y’all were asleep at the wheel writing blogs that bash conservatives. Thank God for publications like Newsmax and books by Dinesh D’Souza, the Honorable President George W. Bush and the Honorable Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich. We need more men of strong character like this out in front. You will find them on FOX News, but you won’t find them on PMSNBC which seems to have the Communist governor from Pennsylvania and Bawney Frank on all the time.
For more information, read my thoughts on why FOX News is important to today’s news pipeline:
http://tinyurl.com/2dwaqpf
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
10:12 am
SpongeBob has class. As for Bill, not Really.
@@
December 30th, 2010
10:12 am
jay’s into popularity contests?
Sad commentary when Spongebob Squarepants becomes intermixed with newsworthy. I know some of jay’s leftist are big fans, or so they’ve said.
larry
December 30th, 2010
10:13 am
Dear Ragnar, what is the difference? They are both saying the same thing. They act the same , they look the same. Even the starfish looks like Hannity.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
10:13 am
Ragnar,
I particularly liked the episode when Spongebob and Patrick discovered curse words and referred to them as sentence enhancers — you know, which they are. At least, Spongebob speaks the truth some times.
TGT
December 30th, 2010
10:14 am
Given that we’re at years end, a friendly reminder: Make sure you have all your charitable contributions in by tomorrow evening if you intend for the tax deduction to be on your 2010 income.
I wonder what the average giving of a FOX viewer is vs. an MSNBC viewer. Two to three times more?
@@
December 30th, 2010
10:14 am
By the looks of things, jay’s left-wingers aren’t even embarrassed to admit their love for Spongebob.
Weird!
larry
December 30th, 2010
10:14 am
Faux so called -news = Nick Jr.
IM out .
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
10:15 am
Bosch…yes, see for yourself….one correction though…it was not Onion it was Weekly News Tabliod.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
10:15 am
“which questions how our government is forcing items like health care down our throats”
Yes, damn that government for wanting everyone to pay for it instead of just those who have insurance….damn them.
“Yes, Liberal Jay, there will be death panels”
Will be? Seriously, Bill, you are speaking in future tense — there already ARE death panels.
The cable news numbers are in | Liberal Media Books
December 30th, 2010
10:16 am
[...] Jay Bookman digs a little deeper, though, and finds some interesting related data. MSNBC beat CNN for the second straight year among viewers 25-54, and for the first time beat CNN among total primetime viewers as well. The numbers for CNN are truly abysmal, not only compared to Fox and MSNBC, but compared to its own numbers of a year ago. Total primetime viewers of CNN fell by 34 percent compared to 2009. [...]
Paul
December 30th, 2010
10:17 am
Heh, heh, heh
Jay, you included enough in this to hit 400 or 500 comments today. Let the games begin!
“That makes him the king of cable news talk, but well behind network news shows. ”
I think it would be more appropriate to compare cable news talk show with network news talk shows. I know the source article included that program plus Hannity and others as ‘news’ shows, but even the hosts of the programs cited are clear they have opinion shows, not news shows.
More relevant for news was this line: “In terms of total viewers, Special Report joins the top five cable news shows, as host Bret Baier has taken the show to its highest ratings ever.” I know, I know, the two straight news shows – Brett Baier’s and Shepard Smith’s – are not generally talked about by the left wing, probably because there isn’t much to criticize as far as straight news reporting (I can here the fingers clicking “MediaMatters” on their keyboards).
Isn’t the obligatory putdown of “With roughly 1 percent of America watching, his numbers” a little like saying “Only one half of one percent of US Households bought oatmeal last week.” To a company like Quaker, operating within its niche, that may be a great percentage. Total population is not an appropriate denominator. “course, one could say “Only 3 percent of America watched NBC News…”
Many here make the case Stewart and Colbert are not news shows. Heck, Stewart and Colbert don’t pretend such. I think the viewership of those shows, who do not watch or read hard news shows, says more about the viewership than it does about the ‘competition.’
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
10:17 am
Actually I suppose it is sad that SpongeBob, the epitome of childhood innocence, has been dragged down into the gutter with the likes of anything Fox. It must be opposite day.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
December 30th, 2010
10:18 am
Dear Bosch @ various times, my analysis of O’Reilly is that he is a conservative of the Isakson cut – not exactly a Limbaugh, if you know what I mean. Nevertheless, even though he is far to my left I do enjoy his show, where everybody argues and nobody agrees about anything – warms the cockles of my heart to think there are people out there who have beliefs that have thought-through.
I used to watch the Simpsons for the same reasons, but I fell out of that habit about five years ago. Now it’s just O’Reilly and Bret Bair.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
10:18 am
Mick
Hiassen has his first new (adult) book in a couple of years out -
GLEN BECK
December 30th, 2010
10:18 am
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
10:18 am
“jay’s left-wingers aren’t even embarrassed to admit their love for Spongebob.”
Why should we be? Many cartoons have serious life lessons if you have a mind capable of abstract thought. Look at a Luckovich — hell, even many Loony Tunes can be analyzed for it’s literature merits. It’s certainly a way to enjoy something with your kids — why should you be embarrassed about that?
Paul
December 30th, 2010
10:19 am
Morning Bosch!
Hey, where are you?!!? All I see is MY name at the top of the page…
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
10:20 am
By the looks of things, jay’s left-wingers aren’t even embarrassed to admit their love for Spongebob.
I find it telling what some people call weird and embarassing.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
10:21 am
Ragnar,
On Paul’s recommendation, I started paying a little more attention to O’Reilly.
“that he is a conservative of the Isakson cut”
I would certainly agree with that. I’ve always thought Isakson was a good man — not one that I agree with, but he’s a good man and although I’d like him to be more influential in the Senate, I’ve never really had a problem with him personally, just his politics.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
10:21 am
Bosch
“I saw him on Bill Maher’s show once and it was odd that he and Bill agreed on some things. That’s what I’ve always suspected — if you take these talking heads out of their elements, just like us, they (we) actually agree with more than you think.”
I’ll submit such perceptions are driven by people who get their info from MediaMatters and other such websites designed to ‘get’ their ideological enemies. When one goes to source material one can form a more realistic conclusion.
Such as, he’s still obnoxious.
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
10:22 am
I think the viewership of those shows, who do not watch or read hard news shows, says more about the viewership than it does about the ‘competition
Who says they do not read news? To truly comprehend the Daily Show joke you must be aware of what is going on in the world. I would put viewers of the Daily Show up against Foxies any day…but then again, sadly, viewers of Spongbob would also likely exceed actual knowledge of news than Foxies.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
10:23 am
Hi ya Paul! Good Christmas? With the family home, we’ve been doing many, many home projects (I’m almost finished with the list — three more small ones to go, the big one, painting my daughter’s room has to wait until the plumbers finish in her bathroom — which has taken three weeks).
We had a good one, lots of food (still eating on the cheese balls), and lots of friends and family.
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
10:25 am
“Such as, he’s still obnoxious”
I heard an interview of him on Terry Gross’s show Fresh Air. I just BARELY knew who he was and had never heard him speak before this. She ran him right into a ditch and he left in a huff. She had the sense to just shut up and let him make a fool of himself. Had no desire to ever listen to him after that.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
10:25 am
Bosch
“On Paul’s recommendation, I started paying a little more attention to O’Reilly.”
Lest anyone here misunderstands, I’ve made the same recommendation about Krugman. Or Maddow. Point is to watch some and form one’s own opinions, not rely solely on what someone else represents the person to be.
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
10:25 am
Well, Jay, it’s obvious that the topic du jour must sufficiently inflame/engage the Right so that will come over here and stink up the blog. Elsewise, nobody would post. Personally, I don’t give a rat’s rump roast what Fox’s ratings are—I wouldn’t watch them if my life depended on it. Likewise I am not interested in posting about another banal subject of little interest.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
10:25 am
This topic is sour grapes mixed with denial. I don’t have a graph or a reference to a poll that is so well loved here, but membership in conservative organizations such as The Heritage Foundation and the NRA, plus increased listners/viewers to conservative talk radio and Fox news paralleled the rise to and results of the mid-term elections. Progressive media is being rejected and that will continue.
Conservative media exposed the Obama agenda for what it truly is. Nancy and Harry did their thing, which back-fired if not in legislative success at the voting booth. Progressives have had their 24 months in the Sun, the majority don’t want any part of it, and sufficient middle men agree.
Conservative media like Fox are beating the drum and the following grows. Obama could not win dog catcher in 2012 regardless of lame stream media remarks. Jay and his loyal followers here just can’t come to grips with that.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
10:26 am
“Such as, he’s still obnoxious.”
All talking heads are obnoxious, it’s what (most) people who tune into those kind of shows like.
Take Anne Coulter for example, she used to date Bill Maher and I’ve read from some sources close to her that she really doesn’t believe alot of what she espouses — she just laughs all the way to the bank with the checks from the wingnuts.
It’s entertainment and lots of folks fall for it.
I’ve always said that the 24/7 news cycle is one of the worst things that has ever happened to this country.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
10:28 am
Keep Up
“Who says they do not read news? ”
Saying ‘the viewership of those shows who do not” is not meant that ALL the viewership do not read or watch hard news shows. It was intended to mean “Those viewers of Stewart and Colbert who do not watch hard news shows)….”
@@
December 30th, 2010
10:29 am
Bosch:
It’s certainly a way to enjoy something with your kids — why should you be embarrassed about that?
I preferred to read with my child. What you do with yours is your business.
Brett Baier? Yes!
Chris Wallace? Yes!
Shepard Smith? Absolutely NOT!
If I want cutsie, I’ll watch Spongebob’s squarepants.
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
10:30 am
Bill Maher and Anne Coulter?— now there is a bad sex tape
Paul
December 30th, 2010
10:31 am
Doggone/GA
That Fresh Air interview with Terry Gross? The NPR Ombudsman heavily criticized her for her unprofessional conduct during that interview.
http://www.npr.org/yourturn/ombudsman/2003/031015.html
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
10:35 am
“I preferred to read with my child. What you do with yours is your business”
Yeah! Good for you! That’s super.
I liked that too when they were toddlers, but as they grew a little we added new activities we did together like watching TV, cooking, going hiking, riding bikes, along with reading (which is why I included the word “something” to mean, to be interpreted we did that along with other things).
Paul
December 30th, 2010
10:36 am
Bosch
It was a good Christmas, thank you. Spent with four generations, wee kiddies with huge eyes as the presents just kept on coming. I did up a 19-lb standing rib roast and it came out great, thank heavens! The pressure was on and I can’t recommend a Thermapen-type instant read thermometer enough! (No more commercial endorsements, at least for now, Jay).
I hope the bathroom isn’t open to the outside. Understand it’s been a bit chilly down your way.
Oh, and just ’cause you have a few jobs left on your Honey-do list, don’t think that ends it. They have a way of spontaneously regenerating -
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
10:36 am
“The NPR Ombudsman heavily criticized her for her unprofessional conduct during that interview”
Not my problem. I’m not required to agree with him. I thought she handled him exactly as he deserved to be handled, based on how he reacted.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
10:38 am
Bosch
“He’s still obnoxious.”
I mentioned some of the talking heads and talking over each other and interrupting and such to my dad. BOR came up. Dad’s response? “He’s Irish. When I’d have dinner with (Irish friend) and his boys over in Jersey it was the same thing. Loud, rude, hardheaded, then they’d laugh about it. Lots of’em are like that.”
Paul
December 30th, 2010
10:39 am
Doggone/GA
Your opinion vs NPR’s opinion. There it is.
One Nation Under educated
December 30th, 2010
10:39 am
Thank you for putting these numbers in the biggest paper in the South, Jay. These numbers agree with Arbitron. If you keep reading (either publication) you find that 75.6% of Fox viewers are over the age of 65.
Keep your chin up, 20-50 yr old progressives. In about 15 years from now (plus 22mil immigrant votes, too!), we will have the country we want – after the death panels from the socialist healthcare take effect, hee hee
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
10:40 am
“Your opinion vs NPR’s opinion. There it is”
And just so you’ll know, I didn’t bother to read it.
AmVet
December 30th, 2010
10:41 am
Good morning all!
Can’t scan through the comments, but imagine there is much denial and poo-pooing by the faithful on this topic.
The Republican News Network is clearly opinion news for the vapid and vacuous…
Keep on drinking that Kool-Aid, cons…
George Langston
December 30th, 2010
10:43 am
How much of the broadcast audience doesn’t subscribe to cable?
james
December 30th, 2010
10:44 am
Dave- fully agree. Our leaders are very focused on printing money and cpi ex food and energy. We can all sit at home and have fun with our imported plastic electronice while we can’t afford a good meal and gas. Carter anyone?
Paul
December 30th, 2010
10:44 am
Doggone/GA
“And just so you’ll know, I didn’t bother to read it.”
Somehow, I’d gathered that.
Morning, AmVet
Not so much this morning. I’d predicted hundreds of bashing comments but it’s rather sedate –
Watched “We Were Soldiers” over the holiday. I hate how history keeps repeating itself, especially when those who were in on something as youngsters do the same stuff when they’re oldsters.
james
December 30th, 2010
10:46 am
Amvet and others- the moderates laugh and ignore cnn and msnbc. It is amazing to see the insecurity dripping from the far left- the estrogen is a flowing.
@@
December 30th, 2010
10:52 am
Can’t scan through the comments, but imagine there is much denial and poo-pooing by the faithful on this topic.
I somehow gained access to all of Luckovich’s archives as far back as 2005.
What’s funny about AmVet’s ^^^ proclomation is I found Andy and RW talking about their dislike of FOX.
Just goes to show…conservatives are not what AmVet declares us to be but still he plods on.
schnirt
Ragnar Danneskjöld
December 30th, 2010
10:56 am
Dear Bosch @ 10:21, “I’ve always thought Isakson was a good man — not one that I agree with, but he’s a good man and although I’d like him to be more influential in the Senate, I’ve never really had a problem with him personally, just his politics.” I think I would prefer that he be less influential in the Senate, leave the thinking to others in his party.
Haywood Jablome
December 30th, 2010
10:57 am
Fox needs to go ahead an add nudity to their news shows. Nudity at Fox News would:
1. Really juice their ratings. (Ratings, rather than journalistic integrity, seem to be really, really important to Fox).
2. Compliment the pornographic tone of their “journalism”
3. Increase the integrity, dignity and professionalism of their shows
Fang1944
December 30th, 2010
10:59 am
So the #1 news network is the one that frequently disseminates out and out hoaxes?
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:02 am
“I think I would prefer that he be less influential in the Senate, leave the thinking to others in his party.”
Ragnar,
Like whom? I’ve always thought that Isakson is lock step with his party ideologue, but isn’t obnoxious about it. As I mentioned earlier, I’ve always thought Isakson an honorable man, and even though I don’t agree with his politics, he is our elected leader and as such should do what is best for his constituents.
george
December 30th, 2010
11:03 am
FOX is not “news”, its propaganda!
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:03 am
“Just goes to show…conservatives are not what AmVet declares us to be but still he plods on.”
So says the Queen of painting “jay’s left wingers” with broad brushes.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
11:04 am
Fang1944
Guess you gotta take the good with the bad. Someone noted the other day how the network news shows pretty much ignore Afghanistan and US deaths and stories about soldiers recuperating with arms and legs blown off, and someone else noted Fox covers that nearly every night.
Any ideas on why network news want to slight Afg, especially when American casualties are running at record levels?
james
December 30th, 2010
11:05 am
Haywood- “increase the integrity”- from a high school blog name? Maybe you should focus on your proactiv usage-
Paul
December 30th, 2010
11:05 am
Bosch!
george just gave you a t-shirt slogan -
TH
December 30th, 2010
11:05 am
Today is December 30.
WEEPER OF THE HOUSE, WHERE ARE THE JOBS CREATED FROM THE BUSH TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY?
George Langston
December 30th, 2010
11:06 am
I repeat – how much of the broadcast audience doesn’t subscribe to cable? Comparing audiences of shows which are for pay with those that are beamed out over the (free) airwaves is not statistically sound.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
11:06 am
Wheee! Fox news and lots of really pretty colored graphs and charts…what more could you ask for to wake up to!
Fox is like Palin, ring Pavlov’s bell and watch what happens. I really don’t understand why Jay goes to the trouble of penning a column on these two at all, however much a good read it may be, All he needs to do for the purposes here is just type “Fox News” or “Sarah Palin” and leave it go at that…it would be the same reaction.
Fox has a market. CNN has a market. MSNBC has a market. Sponge Bob has a market. Reruns of the Beverley Hillbillies have a market. Advertisers buy into that market. The demographics of that market are what the advertisers look at. So, look at who’s buying air time. Got a problem? Take it up with them.
Del
December 30th, 2010
11:06 am
Many people watch Fox News because with the exception of Glen Beck you do get both sides in the political debate. This of course is contrary to what the left believes because one: they don’t watch Fox News, so they really don’t know, two: they only want to hear the left wing perspective and third: within the lefts cult like mindset, Fox News is among their conservative demons to be despised. They’re really not sure why they should hate Fox but they’re told they should and like obedient lemmings they’ll follow. Good selection Jay, though continually recycled this topic will provide red meat for your lefty fans. Enjoy!
Paul
December 30th, 2010
11:07 am
time for an off-topic
Got this in an email this morning. Video from snow country –
“Why the bottom half of the bell shaped curve has to be monitored at all times.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt_r-jO3lKE
y’know what’s really scary about people like that?
They reproduce and they vote -
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:09 am
Paul,
I don’t need more items on my list dude.
1. Clean stairs
2. Clean closet
3. Print t-shirts…
I just don’t have the time!!! But yet, here I am blogging.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
11:11 am
Del
“Many people watch Fox News because with the exception of Glen Beck you do get both sides in the political debate. This of course is contrary to what the left believes because one: they don’t watch Fox News, so they really don’t know, two: they only want to hear the left wing perspective and third: within the lefts cult like mindset,”
During the midterm election results coverage I switched between MSNBC and Fox. Fox had on guests across the political spectrum, asked them to give their interpretation.
MSNBC had a panel of five quite liberal hosts, had far fewer interviewers and the general tone was ‘mock conservatives” – while the vote totals by conservatives were crashing over them.
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
11:11 am
Fox gives you both sides? How with dictates from Fox news directors about the words to use or not use to influence debate? And that is why some Republicans only appear on Fox and refuse other requests — its the hardball questioning right?
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:11 am
George Langston,
I heard an story on NPR a while back about how cable subscriptions are dropping due to those who opt for programs like Netflix and Hulu to watch “TV” shows — companies like Comcast are scrambling to adjust.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:12 am
Make that:
“I heard A story on NPR” — geez.
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
11:12 am
“Comparing audiences of shows which are for pay with those that are beamed out over the (free) airwaves is not statistically sound.”
It is when the viewers of the cable shows don’t know the difference between the top rated CABLE show, and the top rated TV show.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:14 am
Doggone,
I love it when you watch TV and during commercials it has a highlight of a show and it claims to be the “#1 new show on weeknight cable” or something crazy like that. I mean any show you could probably twist a phrase to make it look like it’s the best thing to come along since sliced bread and everyone loves it and watches it.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:15 am
Doggone,
or something like
“#1 show on cable on Tuesdays”
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
11:16 am
“I love it when you watch TV and during commercials it has a highlight of a show and it claims to be the “#1 new show on weeknight cable” or something crazy like that.”
Yeah, the qualifier is really important…but it always amazes me how few people pay attention to the qualifier!
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:16 am
or
“#1 show on cable on Thursdays at 10″
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
11:16 am
Just like a Demwit to deamonize success. All we need now is a socialist president with a communist FCC chairman to take over the airwaves. If the public is too smart (hard to believe with what they’re pushing thru our education system) to believe the propaganda drivel being put out by CNN and the DNC we’ll just have to have the government step in and take over. Sig Heil Obama!!!
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
11:17 am
“Just like a Demwit to deamonize success.”
D.B.Cooper was successful…does that mean he should be sanctified?
George Langston
December 30th, 2010
11:18 am
Doggone/GA – I haven’t used this blog before, so I’m not used to the styles of the regulars. Were you being cryptic or ironic?
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:18 am
JKL2,
“Just like a Demwit to deamonize success.”
I’m constantly amazed at people who try to DEFINE success.
and
“Sig Heil Obama”
At least spell your insults correctly.
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
11:19 am
Wow…took over 100 comments to get to the Nazi reference and it was not even directed at Fox. Standards are slipping.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:19 am
“Were you being cryptic or ironic?”
If Doggone were “ironic” she’d say that she LOVES cats.
One Nation Under educated
December 30th, 2010
11:19 am
JKL – woa easy on the Mountain Dews there buddy
and don’t forget the Kenyan socialist healthcare death panels
Del
December 30th, 2010
11:19 am
Paul,
That’s been my observation as well.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:20 am
“Wow…took over 100 comments to get to the Nazi reference and it was not even directed at Fox”
Keep,
And it wasn’t even spelled right.
Question
December 30th, 2010
11:21 am
An equally important blog topic, i.e., Atlanta’s version of “change you can believe in”…
The Atlanta City Council has been circumventing the law in renaming streets to honor business elites, politicians and civil rights leaders despite neighborhood opposition, a coalition of opponents said Wednesday.
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
11:21 am
“Were you being cryptic or ironic?”
Sorry, I don’t know which of my posts this refers to.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:22 am
“That’s been my observation as well.”
Seriously, how many posters here other than Paul, can say with a straight face and not have your nose grow, that they watch enough of ALL the cable news channel to form an opinion based on what they’ve actually seen or is their opinion based on what others have said about such channels.
If I had to guess, I’d say the only ones who could would be along with Paul, Hillbilly Deluxe.
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
11:22 am
Sorry Bosch “If Doggone were “ironic” she’d say that she LOVES cats” – I *do* love cats! My last one lived to be 18 years old.
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
11:22 am
We definitely need spellchek..spillcheck… smellcheck
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:23 am
One Nation@ 11:19,
You forgot “secret Muslim with a jihadist agenda.”
Mick
December 30th, 2010
11:24 am
del
Your conclusions about why people don’t watch fox are incomplete. Remember hannity and colmes? Of all the liberals why did they chose colmes? Because he looked like a geek, sounded like a wimp, and in the end made hannity seem more relevant. Take bill press, ed shultz or rachel maddow up against hannity and he would get skinned every night. Neil cavuto is another shallow voice that wouldn’t be given the light of day at any other real news organization…
ken R
December 30th, 2010
11:24 am
Good for Fox, maybe if the other networks stopped being so PC and spokke their minds they would get higher ratings.
I wonder how many tomes Tucker had had to send her clothes to the dry cleaners after Matthews spits all over them, talk about a ranter.
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
11:24 am
“We definitely need spellchek”
If you use the Firefox browser…you get it.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:24 am
“I *do* love cats! My last one lived to be 18 years old.”
Well, there you go…irony at it’s finest —
God Bless America... and no one else
December 30th, 2010
11:26 am
Jay…Jay…Jay…, Why bother yourself about FoxNews? As I filled my tank up this morning, I was wondering where all the MSM outrage over high gas prices. Two years ago, the prospect of $5 gas by summer would have set of all kinds of “oilmen in the White House” alarms. In fact, I checked the archives when I saw that FoxNews ratings were the key topic of the day, and noticed that oil prices were a topic for you at least 10 times in 2008 alone! One even lambasted the (2008) White House over the prospect of $4 gas.
In 2004, Senator Obama called for a windfall profits tax on all oil sales over $80 a barrel. Where is that outrage now, from President Obama? Where is the outrage from you, over his intentional de-valuation of our currency that led us to these energy prices.
I suppose that the high energy prices from 2002-2008 were an example of how terrible it is to have oilmen in power, but the prices from 2008-2010 are a great example of how we can persuede Americans to conserve energy and save the planet.
John Birch
December 30th, 2010
11:26 am
Yo libs, after NPR canned Juan Williams, why did Fox hire him? Answer – Fair and balanced baby.
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
11:27 am
Doggone…personally I refuse to have Fox on at my home although I have little control in public places and with some family members when I go to visit their homes. I can say though that when I see a story referencing Fox, I will typically review the entire Fox clip at Fox to satisfy my own desire and standards. Typically I find the clip editing generally reliable from the other two news sources. Fox however is dismal.
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
11:27 am
“Well, there you go…irony at it’s finest —”
I’m still trying to figure out why the choice was between cryptic and ironic. As far as I know, they aren’t mutually exclusive!
Mick
December 30th, 2010
11:27 am
Ok, it’s a nice, sunny, warm 72 degree’s – going for a ride and looking out for iguana sightings. Maybe they found a warm hole to crawl into the past week..
Del
December 30th, 2010
11:28 am
Mick, thank you for helping to make my point.
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
11:28 am
“personally I refuse to have Fox on at my home”
I do too, but as I said – it’s because I don’t like their style of presentation. I don’t watch them enough to have an opinion on their veracity or accuracy.
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
11:31 am
I don’t think it’s the Republicans trying to regulate the content of the internet…
It’s funny how the current admisistations “transparancy” means bribe your own people in backdoor meetings to pass crap that nobody has read. If we can just come up with a way to get rid of that pesky Constitution so we could set up a cool government like Venevuela…
Paul
December 30th, 2010
11:31 am
Keep up
Do you really think the other cable shows or the networks give the show hosts a completely free hand with their programs?!!?
More germane is the view of the Left on this matter. Remember when Rupert Murdoch appeared before Rep Maxine Waters? She wanted him to promote a particular point of view on Fox! Her view!
“I’m very grateful that you guys are here and what you’re saying, but I’m trying to point out the contradiction between Mr. Murdoch being here, saying these vital things about immigration reform and the contribution that immigrants make to our economy and our society, and i don’t see you promoting that in any way with all the power and ability that you have to do that, and I’m trying to find out, what is the difference? What is the contradiction? Why don’t you use your power to help us to promote what you’re talking about?…”
http://tinyurl.com/23t624j
and” Maxine Waters to Rupert Murdoch: Why don’t you force Fox News to shill for amnesty?”
http://tinyurl.com/283mdsl
In other words “Fox, stop with the point of view and start promoting MY point of view” says the liberal Democrat.
Mick
December 30th, 2010
11:31 am
By the way, gas has gone up from $2.87 just a month ago to $3.15. We are hostages to the traders and corporate masters. HELL yes, obama needs to be held accountable and get off the damn golf course and confront these economic terrorists before this economy spins out from higher gas prices which in turn will affect everything.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
11:33 am
When FOX allows it’s commentators to say things such as this, it shows their target audience to be a very narrow group…
Filling in as the host of Fox News’ “Hannity” Tuesday night, conservative commentator Tucker Carlson said that Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Michael Vick should have received the death penalty for killing dogs.
Tucker Carlson thinks Mike Vick should have been ‘executed.’
The comment came during a panel discussion on President Obama’s recent phone call to Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie, in which he praised Lurie for giving Vick a second chance after his federal dogfighting conviction.
“I’m a Christian. I’ve made mistakes myself. I believe fervently in second chances,” Carlson said. “But Michael Vick killed dogs, and he did in a heartless and cruel way. And I think, personally, he should’ve been executed for that. He wasn’t, but the idea that the president of the United States would be getting behind someone who murdered dogs? Kind of beyond the pale.”
First, conservatives wanted to impeach the President for lying about getting a jawbone massage, or something to that effect. Now, execution for killing dogs??? WTF!!! Anyone that stands behind what he said should have their asses kicked and brains removed. If I get news from FOX, I go to their internet site. I don’t watch their channel because they give jackasses like him airtime to spew such bullsh*t.
Tommy Maddox
December 30th, 2010
11:33 am
God Bless America: there is no outrage – someone else is now the President so it’s all okay.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
11:34 am
News Flash! And, another shinning example of why sane people are abandoning Leftist media.
The Diversity Committee of the Society of Professional Journalists has declard “illegal immigrant” to be offensive to Latinos and therefore politically incorrect.
barking frog
December 30th, 2010
11:34 am
The ‘master of their domain’ reference indicates Fox
like the Seinfield characters has refrained from ’self
abuse’. I would disagree and maintain that they are
merely King of a circle of jerks.
God Bless America... and no one else
December 30th, 2010
11:35 am
Mick, it has nothing to do with “traders and corporate masters”. Obama’s monetary policy makes your dollar worth less and less every day overseas. His environmental policies ensures that the oil you buy comes from overseas.
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
11:35 am
bosch- secret Muslim
Actually, having converted from Islam, if we were Iran it would be your civic responsibility to stone him.
Donovan
December 30th, 2010
11:35 am
There seems to be a correlation to the idea that when liberals are threatened they lash out and and deminish their rivals. Sarah Palin, Christine O’Donnell, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reiley, Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Ronald Reagan, and Fox News are glaring examples. Thanks for the confusing numbers game, Jay, but common sense tells you that most people in this country that don’t hold American Idol, Dancing With the Stars, and Spongebob as important viewings are going to watch Fox News for credibility.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
11:35 am
I know it’s not Friday night, but any questions….?
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2h296_don-henley-dirty-laundry-live-insid_music
Del
December 30th, 2010
11:36 am
“I don’t watch them enough to have an opinion on their veracity or accuracy.”
Well an honest comment on the topic.
kayaker 71
December 30th, 2010
11:37 am
I am not sure as to where to draw the line between opinion and news. Cynthia Tucker hides behind the “opinion” logo all the time and when criticized, makes it clear that hers is an opinion page, most of the time decrying those who would disagree with her and maintaining that since it is a “opinion page”, it is immune to criticism. Clearly, she and Bookman do not reach the quantity of people that watch Fox but the corollary is still the same. If a so called “liberal opinion show”, we’ll call it “Pox News”, existed, most of the liberal bloggers would be singing it’s praises and would be listening all of the time, defending it’s content and maligning it’s critics. So let’s put things in perspective and agree that we all have opinions, some good, some not so good and we have a right to them, nonetheless.
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
11:38 am
Paul…last I checked Ms. Walters was not in charge of a news outlet. Also interesting it that Mr. Murdochs position when presented in an interview on Fox was not met with the same words that are used. No “illegals” talk. Overall there was little coverage by Fox of the Murdoch testimony and exchange from everything I have seen.
There is also a clear directive as to the words that are permitted on Fox. Proven. No such claims about any other network.
Now I am sure that if Fox would make the offer, Maddow or Olbermann would love a real debate on the Fox network. How long before O Blowhard cuts their mike?
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:38 am
“Actually, having converted from Islam, if we were Iran it would be your civic responsibility to stone him.”
JKL2,
You were once a Muslim?
Paul
December 30th, 2010
11:39 am
Bosch
I think what’s happened to CNN is a shame. After all, didn’t they start the 24-hour news cycle? I saw them for a long time as being a pretty much across the board news station, then they added issue shows that were topical and good, Then came along the partisan stations on the Left and Right and I saw CNN try to compete by having some of their shows go as Left as anyone and their ranking slipped further.
George Langston
December 30th, 2010
11:40 am
Doggone/GA – “It is when the viewers of the cable shows don’t know the difference between the top rated CABLE show, and the top rated TV show.”
Fletch
December 30th, 2010
11:40 am
Fox has news? I just usually mute the sound and check out all the leg and cleavage action from the heavily made up females.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:41 am
Paul,
“I think what’s happened to CNN is a shame.”
Me too. And further evidence is replacing Larry King with Piers Morgan? I mean Larry is old and needs to be replaced, but Piers Morgan? Really? Is he going to “X” people when they say something stupid?
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
11:41 am
Mick- confront these economic terrorists before this economy spins out from higher gas prices which in turn will affect everything.
Let’s see if this rings a bell. Drill, Baby Drill.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
11:41 am
Paul
I still would rely more on CNN than any other cable news network. There’s something to be said about being in the “game” long enough to have worldwide contacts when it comes to gathering facts. Not to mention, when 9/11 happened, people around the world were watching CNN International to get reports.
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
11:43 am
Jay, while I strongly disagree with your politics, I enjoy reading your blog and the ideas from different points of view, etc.
I would be interested to hear your opinion on why CNN has decreased viewership at the rate it has.
Del
December 30th, 2010
11:44 am
I’ve watched Maddow, Olberman and Schultz, all I heard were rants and no real debates. I prefer to hear debates but as Kayaker said everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Jay
December 30th, 2010
11:44 am
JKL2, I know of no energy expert who believes that more domestic oil production will lower the cost of American gasoline. The world oil market simply doesn’t work like that, no matter how hard you choose to believe.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
11:45 am
Keep Up
“last I checked Ms. Walters was not in charge of a news outlet”
That wasn’t my point. My point was Liberals heavily criticize Fox for promoting a conservative point of view, but when a powerful liberal (Rep Maxine Waters) found Murdoch had what she considered a progressive point of view, she wanted him to force Fox to promote that view.
“There is also a clear directive as to the words that are permitted on Fox.
I wouldn’t doubt that. But my question was, do you really think the same is not true on the other cable or network shows? Ever heard them refer to “Islamic terrorist”, for example?
I’ve suggested before Fox oughta offer enough $$$ to Maddow that she’d take her own show on Fox. Heck, they could schedule guests for the same night so they appeared on Hannity, then on Maddow. That, I’d love to watch.
Thank heavens I’ve a DVR. Wouldn’t want to give up V for that, though.
5 days to go, Bosch!!!!
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
11:46 am
I would be interested to hear your opinion on why CNN has decreased viewership at the rate it has.
I’m not Jay, but I think CNN’s ratings drop is due to them not aligning with a particular partisan group. Another thing is their prime time lineup. There’s nothing of substance there to garner a following of any demographic.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
11:47 am
SoCom
“There’s something to be said about being in the “game” long enough to have worldwide contacts when it comes to gathering facts.”
I watched CNN’s international show when I was in Europe this summer. Remarked to my wife “Why don’t they do that in the States?!!? They’d be on top in no time.”
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
11:48 am
SoCo- When FOX allows it’s commentators to say things such as this, it shows their target audience to be a very narrow group…
Yes. I always base my opinion of a 24/7 operation on a two second soundbite. It is called “freedom of speech” Doesn’t mean you have to agree with it. I guess your one of the people hoping we can get rid of those 1,500 talk radio stations in an effort to promote “fairness”
ty webb
December 30th, 2010
11:48 am
Maddow…now that guy really gets on my nerves.
Get Real
December 30th, 2010
11:48 am
Keep…did you stop taking your meds again, time to refill that Rx and remember deep breaths…before typing…
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:49 am
USMC Dawg,
Although you didn’t ask for it, I’d say it’s because they lowered their journalistic integrity and are trying to keep up with channels such as Fox and MSNBC as evidenced by their hiring Erik Erikson and Piers Morgan.
People like me who used to watch it, in my opinion, did so because they did see it as simply news, but now they have gotten too much into the political theater and gotcha journalism that doesn’t appeal to the viewers they had. And those that do like that kind of entertainment have other resources in which to find their information.
Again, just my two cents.
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
11:50 am
Paul….your point is that Fox promote a conservative point of view? I agree. But that is not the role of a news outlet. It is fine for opinions not for news.
As for the words “islamic terrorist”, that is a pejorative phrase. There are more accurate phrases. Not all terrrorists are islamic. So you are trying to find fault that other news outlets do not use pejorative phrases?
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
11:51 am
Bosch- You were once a Muslim?
Lutheran for what it’s worth.
Jay
December 30th, 2010
11:52 am
USMC, I just don’t think there’s enough interest in news — and enough news, period — to sustain a large audience for a 24/7 news operation. And that’s what CNN has continued to try to sell: news.
Fox understands its market niche better, so it has differentiated itself by branding itself as conservative opinion. MSNBC has caught on as well, and is taking the liberal market (which for reasons inherent in the medium will probably always be smaller than the conservative market. Like talk radio, the audience for cable news skews a lot older, and thus more conservative.)
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:53 am
JKL2,
“Actually, having converted from Islam,”
I interpreted that as you had once been Muslim and had converted.
Lutherans….:-)
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
11:57 am
JKL2
That was more than a 2 second sound bite. I believe in the freedom of speech as well as the freedom of choice. When someone uses their freedom of speech to say such dumbass sh*t as that, I use my freedom of choice to avoid that venue. I could care less what’s said on 1500 talk radio stations because I don’t listen to talk radio. There’s more than enough opinions to read online without listening to some grown assed man sound like a lil b*tch on the radio.
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
11:59 am
Jay-
Thanks to the EPA, etc, we haven’t built a refinery 34 years. We can’t even just import crude oil any more because we no longer have the ability to make our own gasoline. For an economy dependant on energy, we sure are doing a good job of slitting our own throats. News report I heard yesterday said $5/gal gas by 2012. Bend over for more Hope and Change…
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:00 pm
SoCo,
I must admit that I was pretty appalled at first at the NFL for allowing Vick to play again, I felt what he did was right up there with “worse thing ever” — but I’ve also been impressed with Vick himself and I do believe in giving people second chances. I think Vick has really shown himself to be a changed man and have learned his lesson and I applaud him for that and wish him well in the future.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:01 pm
JKL2,
It really wouldn’t matter if we had built a thousand refineries — domestic oil doesn’t not mean that it will be sold domestically. It gets sold by the oil companies.
The only way to ensure that domestic oil was sold domestically and refined domestically would be to nationalize the oil companies — you up for that?
BADA BING
December 30th, 2010
12:03 pm
FOX is #1. They say you can’t argue with success, but of course ‘they’ don’t know the regulars on this blog.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
12:03 pm
Bosch
I was one of those who thought he should face some punishment for what he did. However, I saw no problem at all to allow that man a 2nd chance to redeem himself. I love animals as much as other people do, however, I did not see him as the “Great Satan” for what he did. There have been others, in different professions, that have done far worse without all the scrutiny and disgust thrown at them.
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
12:05 pm
Thanks Jay,
I think there are many reasons for there lack of viewership.
It’s funny to hear people say that CNN JUST reports the news and that is the reason for the lower ratings.
From my point of view, I find them very liberal. You have Anderson Cooper, whom I mildly like, but he pushes his liberal gay agenda in subtle ways.
Also, I thought Campbell Brown, while attractive, was a complete disaster.
Then you have the likes of Roland Martin who cannot finish a sentence without RACE coming out of his mouth.
And Solidad O’brien’s Racial series, “Black in America”, is obviosly an outlet for her to examine her own insecurity of growing up having a white father and a black mother. (Susan Malveaux as well)
These are just my takes on SOME of the reasons they have turned off many viewers.
But the bottom line from my point of view is there is an underlying lack of Intellectual honesty in their reporting. They are liberal to the bone, they just don’t hit below the belt like MSNBC.
just my 2 cents
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
12:07 pm
SoCo- There’s more than enough opinions to read online
Which is why the Demwits are working on regulating the internet. Talk radio is the first step, but don’t think your little fiefdom isn’t already under assault.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:07 pm
SoCo,
“I was one of those who thought he should face some punishment for what he did.”
Well, I’d say that his stint in Levenworth was punishment. Was it enough? Whose to say. I’d wager that Vick lives with that guilt and from interviews I’ve seen with him, he appears to know what he did and that it was wrong and he worked hard to get back to his current awesomeness. I think he is MUCH better now than he was in Atlanta — maybe that soul searching did some good.
It’s a lesson we could all learn.
But I absolutely agree with this:
“There have been others, in different professions, that have done far worse without all the scrutiny and disgust thrown at them.”
I remember that time he flipped off the fans in ATL, and I thought if he’d done that to soccer fans, they would have stormed the field and flogged him to death — or bought him a pint.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:09 pm
“but he pushes his liberal gay agenda in subtle ways.”
Like how? Does he have fashion debates with his mother?
Darwin
December 30th, 2010
12:10 pm
It’s because liberals read.
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
12:11 pm
As opposed to pushing the conservative/tea party, anti-gay, anti-islam agenda in subtle and not-so-subtle ways?
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
12:11 pm
Bosch- The only way to ensure that domestic oil was sold domestically and refined domestically would be to nationalize the oil companies
Must be that “lazer-like” focus on job creation you share with the President….
How’s Carter’s Dept of Energy working out for you?
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:13 pm
JKL2,
@ 12:11
What?
Would you care to explain to us how drilling oil domestically would lower gas prices?
Darwin
December 30th, 2010
12:14 pm
To the right wingers, in the media world, you’re either Fox News or liberal.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
12:14 pm
And Solidad O’brien’s Racial series, “Black in America”, is obviosly an outlet for her to examine her own insecurity of growing up having a white father and a black mother. (Susan Malveaux as well)
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe she was trying to educate the millions of Americans who have absolutely no clue as to what it’s like to grow up “Black in America”? They also did a “Hispanic in America”. Was that some underlying guilt trip for her too?
If you don’t like it, just say so. We are all diverse people, so we will like and dislike different things. I can respect your opinion though. I just don’t agree with all of it. My life and perspective based on what I’ve personally seen and experienced won’t allow me to.
Jay
December 30th, 2010
12:14 pm
JKL. I likewise know of no energy expert who argues that the EPA or environmental rules in general explain the lack of refinery investment in this country. Politicians may make that argument; experts in the field do not.
Experts say that the lack of refineries is business-driven; internationally, it is an industry with a very low rate of return. In other words, companies don’t invest in it because they can’t make much money at it.
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
12:15 pm
Bosch,
It’s just my point of view, but I think the main reason is the lack of intellectual honesty because of their Liberal agenda.
And don’t start with the homophobic bs, my brother was gay and died of aids, so I am definitely not homophobic.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
12:18 pm
Keep up
“As for the words “islamic terrorist”, that is a pejorative phrase. There are more accurate phrases. Not all terrrorists are islamic. ”
Okay, more specific: the guys just who wanted to conduct a massacre at the newsroom of the paper that published the Mohammed cartoon?
“So you are trying to find fault that other news outlets do not use pejorative phrases?”
Point is, what some see as perjorative others see as accurate. Heck, many commentators won’t touch it even in the context of Centcom’s counterinsurgency manual on the roots of Islamic jihadism/terrorism and what it will take to combat it. I suppose it’s too confusing for their readers, who can’t tell if they’re talking about white supremacist terrorists or Basque separatists or Tamil terrorists…
joe
December 30th, 2010
12:18 pm
Simple explanation…all things liberal have a much less chance of surviving in America (see Air America radio network), where conservatism and capitalism reign. It has always been that way and always will be because Americans don’t want to turn into socialists like much of Europe where entitlements are expected and individual responsibility takes a back seat.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
12:18 pm
JKL2
I’m not worried about that. Government regulation isn’t something I fear. I have far worse things to worry about. We don’t live in Communist China. If regulation comes about, it’s not the government that worries me. It would be the monied interests pulling the strings behind the curtain.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:19 pm
USMC,
“And don’t start with the homophobic bs”
I think that was you who started it with the ‘liberal gay agenda.”
I’ve watched Anderson Cooper I’d wager more than you and I’ve never heard him mention his sexual orientation. It is well known, however, that he is the son of Gloria Vanderbilt.
“s the lack of intellectual honesty because of their Liberal agenda.”
Yet you deny Fox and their agenda? Talk about lack of honesty.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
12:20 pm
“To the right wingers, in the media world, you’re either Fox News or liberal.”
That’s becuase it is true.
Jay
December 30th, 2010
12:21 pm
Question for Joe:
Do you or don’t you think that the vast majority of US media are liberal?
And if so, how do you square that fact with your assertion above?
ty webb
December 30th, 2010
12:22 pm
“To the right wingers, in the media world, you’re either Fox News or liberal.”
“That’s becuase it is true.”
I second that.
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
12:22 pm
Dont tell Dawg CNN also did Gay in America and Census in America and has an entire “in America” webpage
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
12:23 pm
Bosch- Would you care to explain to us how drilling oil domestically would lower gas prices?
I understand the world oil market. Yes you’re correct in that it may or may not do something to prices. Refining is something we can use to “produce” the product and create jobs in the US rather than just continuing to send money overseas.
So I’ll repeat: How’s Carter’s Dept of Energy working out for you?
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
12:26 pm
Bosch,
We just disagree. I respect your take.
But AC just came out and made a scene aand wanted a movie to delete a trailer that used the word “GAY” in a manner he did not approve of. That in my eyes is ridiculous. Now we are policing comedies for their use of the word “gay”.
The movie, the one with Vince Vaughn, had the trailer changed.
That is the sort of liberal gay agenda that I am refering to.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:26 pm
JKL2,
Well gee, then I wonder why those stupid oil companies don’t know that or do something about it — oh yeah, that pesky EPA.
Do you honestly think that as powerful as the oil companies are that if they wanted refineries they wouldn’t just build them?
And I’m not really sure why you are bringing in the the Dept. of Energy.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
12:26 pm
“To the right wingers, in the media world, you’re either Fox News or liberal.”
That’s becuase it is true.
When you sit to the right of where the rest of the country sits, of course everything else is liberal. That’s one of the truths of our society, and it’s also one of the reasons we’re fighting these daily partisan battles. Those on the right continue to move right and try to redefine the center. They fail to realize that the right of even 30 years ago would definitely be considered liberal today. You can’t shift the playing field and expect everyone else just to shift with you.
BADA BING
December 30th, 2010
12:28 pm
TH…..WHAT DAY IS IT?
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:28 pm
USMC,
He did that on the Ellen DeGeneres show, no? So, again, in his professional life, when has he ever pushed for a liberal gay agenda?
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
12:29 pm
SoCo- If regulation comes about, it’s not the government that worries me. It would be the monied interests pulling the strings behind the curtain.
And they all voted for Obama. Wouldn’t want to start any theories about an incompetent senator from the most politically corrupt state in the country, surrounded by thugs and criminals running the country now…
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
12:29 pm
Keep,
that is the sort of “Identity Politics” that Liberals and CNN keep fomenting and intelligent people recognize it for what it is.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
12:30 pm
There’s another aspect missing from this thread – that is those of us with no choice. Yes, I’m talking AJC, the only local hardcopy paper available.
This past Sunday the AJC was blowing its horn due to return to profitability. No doubt recovering from cancelled subscriptions by Conservatives (they won’t agree, just like Barry thinks he did not talk enough about Healthcare). Regardless, good for the AJC, “A” paper is better than no paper. However, the editors must not care if they stay profitable and continue to have no concern for being to the Left in almost everything reported. Case in point, the vacationing Liberal Friedman space was occupied by a piece from the girl at The Nation, whose name I cannot spell and sounds like she belongs in European aristocracy. Friedman is barely tolerable, that girl must live next door to Huffington.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:30 pm
“And they all voted for Obama”
Question, JKL2, how do you know who people voted for — do you have access to that information?
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
12:30 pm
JKL2 — If there is a finite amount of oil and we are sending money overseas to support foreign oil suppliers, would it not be logical that the better way to produce jobs would be to go with alternative methods that would not only bring jobs to the US but allow us to be a leader in technology while at the same time cutting the demand for oil, which if it were not a manipulated market, reduce the price.
If the concepts Carter discussed had been implemented and not undercut in later administrations, it would be a new world.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:31 pm
USMC,
“that is the sort of “Identity Politics” that Liberals and CNN keep fomenting and intelligent people recognize it for what it is.”
When’s the last time you watched CNN? Or how often do you do so?
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
12:31 pm
Bosch-
As Granny likes to say, google away. For someone who knows soooo much, you seem to know so little.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
12:31 pm
And they all voted for Obama. Wouldn’t want to start any theories about an incompetent senator from the most politically corrupt state in the country, surrounded by thugs and criminals running the country now…
If you believe that, then you should worry more than me. They’re going to back whomever’s in charge. You don’t make enemies with the person who writes the laws.
Jay
December 30th, 2010
12:32 pm
That is correct, SoCo. Less than 40 years ago, ultra-conservative Richard Nixon instituted wage/price controls, created the EPA and OSHA, opened relations with Communist China and the Soviet Union and pulled US troops out of the Vietnam War.
Kamchak
December 30th, 2010
12:32 pm
…an incompetent senator from the most politically corrupt state in the country…
Obama’s from Louisiana?
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:33 pm
JKL2,
“As Granny likes to say, google away. For someone who knows soooo much, you seem to know so little.”
Translation: I’m full of sh*t.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
12:34 pm
Before we go too far down the “increase domestic production” and “China’s growing demand” and “It’s a world market”
May I ask you to read the following? We’ve seen it before, it was poo-poohed, we’re seeing it now.
http://tinyurl.com/2dk6ef9
Darwin
December 30th, 2010
12:35 pm
Fox News = preaching to the choir.
Keep up the good fight!
December 30th, 2010
12:36 pm
Identity politics like the so-called “moral majority”, the “christian right”, the tea party. Yes…intelligent people do recognize it for what it is. Do you?
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
12:36 pm
Jay
You won’t hear any of them admit to it though. That’s why I refuse to get into the partisan game. You can’t shift the 50 yard line in football, and I don’t think you should try to shift it in politics. The middle is the middle, and not some arbitrary point that you can move to please your group or p*ss of the other group.
LoveFox
December 30th, 2010
12:37 pm
More left wing snark from Mr. Bookman. Surprise, Surprise. Fox beats MSNBC and CNN because people got tired of the left wing drivel spewed out of those so called news outlets. Nothing more.
God Bless America... and no one else
December 30th, 2010
12:37 pm
Nixon “ultra-conservative”???? Only as compared to George McGovern.
Jay, if the “world oil markets don’t work that way”, then why did you say the Iraq War was for cheap oil?
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
12:37 pm
Bosch,
I watch across the board: CNN, FOX, MSNBC, networks, NYT, WSJ, Huffpo, Drudge, etc.
So stop with the usual condescending attitude. We just simply disagree.
I respect your opinion.
George Langston
December 30th, 2010
12:38 pm
Doggone/GA – You were being ironic. Still looking for an answer to the question. Does anybody know how much of the broadcast audience doesn’t subscribe to cable? It has a bearing on the discussion.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:38 pm
SoCo,
“You can’t shift the 50 yard line in football, and I don’t think you should try to shift it in politics.”
Funny how I used to think of myself as conservative, now I’m a screaming liberal. I think the right has tried to move that line, and anything left of the one yard line from their side is screaming socialist.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
12:38 pm
The Tea Party’s intent is to, in fact, shift the “political 50 yard line.” The mid-term was all about telling Progressives – your party is over; we have allowed you to go too far, and we intend to undo some of your mess.
Jay
December 30th, 2010
12:39 pm
GodBless, no one who knows a thing about American political history would dispute the claim that Nixon was strongly conservative by the standards of his era.
Kamchak
December 30th, 2010
12:39 pm
Does anybody know how much of the broadcast audience doesn’t subscribe to cable?
Whatsamatta?
Your google broken?
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
12:40 pm
Bosch- Question, JKL2, how do you know who people voted for — do you have access to that information?
Kind of like how more people voted for JFK than were registered in Chicago. Where’s obama from again(and I don’t mean Kenya, er Hawaii)?
The people trying to expand the government and take over everything are liberal/progressive. (Remember the small government/Tea Party people you like to make fun of?)
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:40 pm
“So stop with the usual condescending attitude. We just simply disagree.”
Condescending? Sorry if you interpret that way, but I’m simply asking you to define examples of how Anderson Cooper promotes a liberal gay agenda in his workplace.
If you can’t, then fine, just be honest.
joe
December 30th, 2010
12:42 pm
Bookman, I will agree with you that TODAY’s media outlets are mostly liberal (at least the national tv networks anyway, but national radio slants toward conservative). BUT, and this is a big but, the liberal slant of today’s tv networks is still a relatively new thing. It wasn’t that way 20 or 30 years ago, back in the Walter Kronkite (sp) days when being a journalist meant something. There is hardly any neutrality left by reporters, except for Jamie Dupree…most take a slant based on their own beliefs or those of their executive producers and owners who sign their paychecks and tell them to report a certain way. Agree??
If CNN wants to turn itself around, being based in the south, they’d be smart to follow Fox News’s lead and report with a conservative slant to attract more viewers. You know what they say, if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:42 pm
JKL2,
So, I conclude by your posts now that give no details as to how drilling domestic oil will lower gas prices, throwing in the Department of Energy, with no explanation as to how that proves your point, and continued rhetorical swipes that explain nothing as to mean that you can’t back up your assertions.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
12:43 pm
The Tea Party’s intent is to, in fact, shift the “political 50 yard line.”
That is a dangerous game to play. In a free society, you are trying to narrow peoples views and choices. When that has been done in other countries, it has led to communism or fascism.
If you are going to have a legit system, you can’t move the center over and over again. You end up knocking the system out of order and create chaos. Try that on the tires of your car and see what happens. Move the center towards one side and see how far out of balance your tire gets. That’s why our country is so Fu*ked up right now.
Darwin
December 30th, 2010
12:44 pm
It’s because liberals CAN read.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
12:44 pm
On Anderson Cooper and liberal gay agenda…I’m que*r as a three dollar bill and a talking heads addict and only recently (like within the last couple of months) “found out” he was gay.
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
12:44 pm
Jay,
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it was President Richard Nixon who started the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)…
-just saying
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:45 pm
joe,
CNN does that. They have conservative talking heads on every time I tune in. In my opinion, the people who like that kind of thing watch FOX or MSNBC now, the people who don’t tune out because they don’t like that kind of entertainment and are smart enough to look for and recognize real news.
Kamchak
December 30th, 2010
12:45 pm
It wasn’t that way 20 or 30 years ago, back in the Walter Kronkite (sp) days when being a journalist meant something.
Oh, puh-leeze.
Talk-radio has been whinging about the “liberal media” for 35 years.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
12:45 pm
Nixon was a SOCIALIST? Was he an American, did anyone see the long form of his birth certificate?
God Bless America... and no one else
December 30th, 2010
12:46 pm
And his era would include Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan.
Donald Critchlow and William F. Buckley would disagree with you, and I think both of them know a great deal about that particular time in US political history. They lived it.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
12:46 pm
BUT, and this is a big but, the liberal slant of today’s tv networks is still a relatively new thing. It wasn’t that way 20 or 30 years ago, back in the Walter Kronkite (sp) days when being a journalist meant something.
I’m sure that also coincides with the Right’s lurch towards the far right. If you’re sitting out on one extreme, you should expect everything other than what you see as correct to be of the opposite viewpoint. The media hasn’t changed much, it’s the Right that has changed and is trying to pull everyone else along for the ride.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:47 pm
josef,
Has Cooper confirmed that? I think that is speculation on the public’s part. I’ve actually always respected Cooper for keeping his personal life personal.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
12:47 pm
Southern Comfort – I suggest we have chaos now, and it is due to Progressives having gone too far. Not just since Obama, but long before that. The majority are saying enough, your agenda and ideology is not the America we want.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
12:47 pm
JAY
Nixon and his era…and yet when it comes to Indian policy and the Environment his were liberal by the standards of any generation…probably the best friend either ever had at 1600..
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
12:48 pm
“The media hasn’t changed much”
Thank you. Everytime I hear this “liberal media” BS I want someone, ANYONE, to give me examples of slanted news reports. No one ever does. Though they WILL, sometimes, try to slip in OPINION pieces as “proof”
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
12:48 pm
Well, it’s almost 1:00 and that closet isn’t going to clean itself and Santa did not bring me a magic wand to scrub those steps…..
later all.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
12:48 pm
The oil companies won’t build refineries because they are unsure about how much of a tax break they are going to get and they haven’t figured out a way to offshore the jobs to China or India YET.
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
12:49 pm
“It’s because liberals CAN read.”
Yes, some liberals can read: like the liberal sheep who are bussed in and given voting cards with the politician’s name already filled in, so they know who to vote for while in the voting booth.
just sayin
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
12:49 pm
“Doggone/GA – You were being ironic”
Nope. I was being sarcastic
art
December 30th, 2010
12:51 pm
Do people really watch TV news or programs anymore? I canceled my cable subscription 10 years ago when high-speed internet came available. Really, people. Stop being Cro Magnons and evolve. To paraphrase Nancy Reagan, JUST TUNE OUT.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
12:51 pm
“no one who knows a thing about American political history would dispute the claim that Nixon was strongly conservative by the standards of his era.”
But now we’re in the era of litmus tests and checklists for what it means to be a “real” Republican. And applying those standards to evaluations of people who lived decades ago.
Heck, Nelson Rockefeller was a Republican. I’d like how he’d go into a hostile crowd and tell’em what they didn’t want to hear. Just like Candidate Obama going to Detroit and telling the execs the days of the 10mpg SUV was o-vah.
“Nelson Rockefeller: Republican Party must repudiate extremists ”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whjyvqtoDrA
ty webb
December 30th, 2010
12:51 pm
more like moronic
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
12:51 pm
BOSCH
Depends on what you mean by “confirmed.” Has he made some big public statement, not to my knowledge. Does he “run” in gay circles in his time off, yes. Does his beau accompany him to social and professional functions, yes. He’s Ben Maisani.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
12:52 pm
JReb
I’ll agree with the chaos, but for different reasons. As I’ve said, you can’t keep moving the middle and expect everyone to follow suit.
eLbb
December 30th, 2010
12:53 pm
I watch FOX radio
Jay
December 30th, 2010
12:53 pm
And USMC, rather like the Christian Coalition “voting guides?”
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
12:55 pm
Bosch- I’m full of sh*t.
Something we can agree on. I can’t make a correlation between reducing our dependence on other countries for energy and our current oil market either.
Don’t worry, I want archive it like Granny would, to bring up in future conversations.
I am getting kicked off by the wife. Peace, out.
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
12:55 pm
Oh Jay,
Nowhere close and you know it.
Go to every inner city and see for yourself, but I know you alread know this to be true.
(I know I was being “snarky” when I posted that, but it is real. be honest)
joe
December 30th, 2010
12:56 pm
@ kamchack:
From Wikipedia:
The Rush Limbaugh Show (also called The Rush Limbaugh Program) is an American talk radio show hosted by Rush Limbaugh on Premiere Radio Networks. Since its inception on August 1, 1988, The Rush Limbaugh Show has become the highest-rated talk radio show in the United States.
Not sure if any conservative radio hosts have been at it longer than rush, but his show started 22 years ago, so your 35 year claim is exaggerated and misleading…as most liberals like you tend to do.
eLbb
December 30th, 2010
12:56 pm
If you can’t beat em BEAT EM some more
JKL2
December 30th, 2010
12:57 pm
Won’t archive it, that is. (Have another field day spell check czar’s)
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
12:59 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
December 30th, 2010
12:48 pm
Build refineries! The progressive liberals will never do that. Their motto is,”Starve an oil based economy of oil and blame the corporations and conservatives.” Tell lies like global warming, conservatives wants to starve children, give tax breaks to the rich and not to the poor, we need more money for education and indoctrination, we need more unions, and I could go on for days.
Jay
December 30th, 2010
1:02 pm
Oh it IS real, USMC. I would never claim otherwise.
But the pervasiveness of the Christian Coalition voting guides is just as real.
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
1:03 pm
The only reason people watch abc, nbc, and cbs news is because it comes on after Opra. CNN and the ajc has spent the whole year promoting homosexuality to include DADT. I hope they all watch CNN and read AJC. Of course they must buy those advertising spots too.
HDB
December 30th, 2010
1:07 pm
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
12:59 pm
The problem is that oil is a FINITE resource…and it’s visionary to work towards the transition from a finite resource to a more plentiful resource!! Also, by the time a refinery gets online, it’s already obsolete (like a road!). What needs to be expanded is wind and solar power (check what Iowa is doing now!), increased nuclear power…and tax breaks for technology for electric cars. Once the electric infrastructure is improved, the US could be the innovator…rather than the consumer!!
Note: It was Ronald Reagan who took the alternative energy tax credit OUT of the tax code….making the Germans (Siemens) the leader over GE…and Bill Clinton put the tax credit BACK!!
George Langston
December 30th, 2010
1:09 pm
Doggone/GA – irony is the literary basis for sarcasm.
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
1:09 pm
Ok Jay,
But to compare the two and say they are somehow equal is a little bit of a stretch, furthermore, to agree with a group based on policy is a lot different than the Left’s grouping of people by RACE, GENDER, NATIONAL ORIGIN and SEXUAL PREFERENCE. “Hey, we have to vote for him because he is (hyphenated, fill in the blank) American”.
I respect your opinion, but we just disagree.
eLbb
December 30th, 2010
1:09 pm
God Bless America… and no one else@12:46 pm
And his era would include Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan.
Donald Critchlow and William F. Buckley would disagree with you, and I think both of them know a great deal about that particular time in US political history. They lived it.
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and so did a lot of us here. If you didn’t then what the hell is your point.
Also 3 out of 4 share a trait (hint: they’re not breathing)
So it’s kind of difficult to know what they would think about what is happening today.
Kamchak
December 30th, 2010
1:11 pm
joe
Rush Limbaugh didn’t invent talk-radio.
Talk-radio came to Atlanta in the late to mid 70s. For a very brief period it was something akin to The Jerry Springer Show, where people would call in and talk about what their neighbors were up to and it was hilarious, but that only lasted about a month and then it turned political. Neal Boortz started his show on WRNG-AM and his shtick has not changed in thirty years.
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
1:12 pm
fyi,
Maybe we have done enough to curb Global Warming…er… Climate Change. (I am totally kidding)
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/169577/Winter-may-be-coldest-in-1000-years/
John Birch
December 30th, 2010
1:14 pm
“Cable news programs”, Hannity, O’Reilly and Beck aren’t really news shows, not like the networks 6:00 news. They are opinion shows. I believe this practice started about 20 years ago when the NY Times started running op-ed pieces on it’s front page, disguised as ‘news’.
HDB
December 30th, 2010
1:15 pm
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
1:03 pm
The preponderance of American viewers have multiple news sources….and the issue is really this: does the point of view and the disseminiation fit a person’s belief system?? For the majority, FOX doesn’t fit; for those who VIEW the news objectively, Fox is a resource…but not the PRIMARY resource!! For many who are staunch in their beliefs, either FOX fits…or it doesn’t!!
IMHO, Fox DOESN’T look at multiple points of view in the same vein as CNN nor MSNBC; their opinion shows are SO biased that the GOP talking points are all that’s being relayed!!
I’d rather watch CNN (particularly CNN International), BBC, then MSNBC, then FOX (in that sequence)….then read as many papers from as many areas (worldwide) as I can to discover the TRUTH..not just the slant!!
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
1:17 pm
“The problem is that oil is a FINITE resource”
So is the sun HDB. But the problem is not alternative fuels, it is the process progressive liberals used. Why am I going to pay $5 a gallon of gas? To make you feel better?
The Thin Guy
December 30th, 2010
1:19 pm
The only show on Fox that I watch is Red Eye with the great Greg Gutfield which comes on from 3-4 am, the reason why the DVR was invented. By far the funniest show on tv. Try to imagine a right wing version of Jay Bookman with a sense of humor. Greta, Bill, Shawn, and Glenn are too boring. The reason for the ascendancy of Fox over PMSNBC, CNN (Client Number Nine), ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS is they present news whereas the others are propaganda machines for George Soros and his left wing Moonbats. In this country we have the freedom to watch what we want. The only time I get irritated is when my car is being serviced and I have to sit in the waiting room where the tv is tuned to CNN and there is an endless parade of left wing twits who couldn’t find compost in an outhouse. Heck, I’d rather walk outside and talk to the car sales people.
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
1:19 pm
“does the point of view and the disseminiation fit a person’s belief system?”
Not if they are looking for facts and real time news. That is a liberal philosophy!
HDB
December 30th, 2010
1:22 pm
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
1:09 pm
“USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
1:09 pm
Ok Jay,
But to compare the two and say they are somehow equal is a little bit of a stretch, furthermore, to agree with a group based on policy is a lot different than the Left’s grouping of people by RACE, GENDER, NATIONAL ORIGIN and SEXUAL PREFERENCE. “Hey, we have to vote for him because he is (hyphenated, fill in the blank) American”.
Actually…it’s NOT that much of a stretch; if you compare the voting guides, they DO follow your paradigm…the deal is that what passes for a voting guide in the inner city is a more diverse representation vs. what the Christian Coalition presents:
RACE: Variable vs. White
GENDER: Variable vs. Male
NATIONAL ORIGIN: Variable vs. WASP (particularly Southern Baptist)
SEXUAL PREFERENCE: Variable vs. STRAIGHT
It goes both ways……..
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
1:23 pm
“The reason for the ascendancy of Fox over PMSNBC, CNN (Client Number Nine), ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS is they present news whereas the others are propaganda machines for George Soros and his left wing Moonbats.
HDB that is a fact and a reason why people turn to FOX! The other media has shaped the news instead of reporting it. Examples are the election in Nevada, DADT, and WMD’s. Liberals do not giving the facts because many time the fact does not promote their agendas.
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
1:24 pm
sorry about the typos
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
1:24 pm
HDB
Ditto on CNN international…
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
1:27 pm
“is a more diverse representation”
Is this the liberal way of saying,”If it feels good do it!” Or you can do it because there are no real truths. Yep, liberals profess to be wise thus became fools.
HDB
December 30th, 2010
1:30 pm
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
1:17 pm
We’re paying $5/gallon because that’s what the OIL COMPANIES and the speculators in the market are demanding!! Cutting your fuel costs, for some, is as simple as driving a smaller car (4/6-cyl. vs the V8)….or telecommuting….or public transportation!!
It’s not a liberal process……they don’t control the means of production!!
1:19 pm
“does the point of view and the disseminiation fit a person’s belief system?”
Not if they are looking for facts and real time news. That is a liberal philosophy!”
Not actually….if you’re looking for the FACTS….theere is no ONE outlet that disseminates the FACTS!! In order to determine what is FACTUAL from what is SPECULATION…one MUST input the news from multiple sources, discern the factual from the talking points….
THAT takes who is informed in the issues; those who PRIMARILY use FOX tend to limit themselves…just as those who limit themselves to just MSNBC. IMHO, the most balanced news organization in the US is CNN…but I don’t limit myself to just that……
Interested observer
December 30th, 2010
1:30 pm
CNN has made CNN irrelevant. It’s been trying to emulate FOX to its own detriment. Nobody can do FOX like FOX (thank God). Even its cousin HLN, instead of providing a 30-minute roundup of worldwide news, has deteriorated into a 30-minute segment showing crime scenes, fires, rescues and drama that, while important in the city in which it takes place, is irrelevant to a national audience. It’s like eating cotton candy – tasty, but when you get done, you’ve consumed virtually nothing.
At least Ted Turner knew news.
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
1:32 pm
“It’s not a liberal process……they don’t control the means of production!!”
Yes they did! In the 70’s, in the 80’s, in the 90’s, and now are back at it again.
LBB
December 30th, 2010
1:32 pm
williebkind@1:17 pm
So is the sun HDB. But the problem is not alternative fuels, it is the process progressive liberals used. Why am I going to pay $5 a gallon of gas? To make you feel better?
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No you will be paying $5 a gallon because China will be buying as much as it can get driving the price up.
And they have the money because YOUR Pres. Bush (the lesser) has driven the US to the edge of bankruptcy and because of those wonderful tax cuts and deficit (don’t matter) spending.
What, didn’t your crystal ball work to let you know it was coming?
Guess you should have put your tax cut into the stock market.
HDB
December 30th, 2010
1:34 pm
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
1:27 pm
“is a more diverse representation”
A more diverse representation simply means from what vantage point is the news disseminated: conservative vs. liberal; ethnically-different disseminators, a broad spectrum of ideologies……FOX is limited…..CNN isn’t as extreme as FOX nor MSNBC!! To its credit. MSNBC has a more diverse representation than FOX does…..but the FACTS always lie between the extremes!!
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
1:36 pm
“IMHO, the most balanced news organization in the US is CNN…but I don’t limit myself to just that……”
Balanced! Did you say balanced? I watch CNN every day and I see an agenda being pushed everytime I watch it. I just said they pushed DADT everyday until congress passed it against the will of the people. That congress was voted out and did something that never was done before in a lame duck congress. But that is OK, because the conservatives will have their shot at doing the same. So sharpen your pencil!
HDB
December 30th, 2010
1:39 pm
Interested observer
December 30th, 2010
1:30 pm
SO ON POINT!! That’s why CNN International is where I look to FIRST!!
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
1:32 pm
“It’s not a liberal process……they don’t control the means of production!!”
Yes they did! In the 70’s, in the 80’s, in the 90’s, and now are back at it again.”
Please elaborate HOW liberals control the means of production; EXXON, BP, Conoco/Texaco, Royal Dutch Shell, Amaranda Hess would NOT invest in building refineries unless they would be PROFITABLE!! At last, EXXON is the RICHEST oil company…and can build a refinery if they so desired!!
Don’t blame the regulatory issues, either; any company can adapt to fit the regulatory environment IF they see the profit!!
HDB
December 30th, 2010
1:48 pm
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
1:36 pm
“Balanced! Did you say balanced? I watch CNN every day and I see an agenda being pushed everytime I watch it. I just said they pushed DADT everyday until congress passed it against the will of the people. That congress was voted out and did something that never was done before in a lame duck congress.”
Three things: 1) Comparitively, CNN IS the most BALANCED when judged between itself, FOX, and MSNBC. Note: all THREE have an agenda: FOX = GOP; MSNBC = liberal; CNN = center/left…but not as extreme!!
2) DADT was desired BY the PREPONDERNCE of Americans:
….from the Washington Post:
Most back repealing ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ poll says
By Ed O’Keefe and Jon Cohen
Nearly eight in 10 Americans favor allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
The results signal continued widespread public support for ending the military’s 17-year ban on gays in the military and come as Congress prepares to vote again on legislation ending the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” law.
Overall, 77 percent of Americans say gays and lesbians who publicly disclose their sexual orientation should be able to serve in the military. That’s little changed from polls over the two years, but represents the highest level of support in a Post-ABC poll. The support also cuts across partisan and ideological lines, with majorities of Democrats, Republicans, independents, liberals, conservatives and white evangelical Protestants in favor of homosexuals’ serving openly.
3) Congressional terms END when the next Congress is SWORN IN!! They still had issues to take care! I’m glad they worked up to the holidays to get things done for the nation rather than take the easy way out!! A lot DID get done!!
corruption fighter
December 30th, 2010
2:16 pm
i am a hard working, tax paying, asian immigrant professional who loves this country and love the fox news and bill oreilly segment.
they speak the truth and speak for america unlike cnn,msnbc,abc,cbs.
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
2:27 pm
“2) DADT was desired BY the PREPONDERNCE of Americans:
….from the Washington Post:”
Enough said about that liberal paper. The preponderence of Americans do not serve in the military. It is strange they did not poll my area! I know they polled DC, San Francisco, and NY. Maybe that is the mass majority of Americans. Remember the preponderence of Americans did not want the health care bill. So what does all this mean? News agencies like the aforementioned have an agenda and they push it onto Americans.
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
2:30 pm
“Don’t blame the regulatory issues, either; any company can adapt to fit the regulatory environment IF they see the profit!!”
You talk like people should not make a profit. However, you need a permit to build. Now lets talk about permits. Who controlled the issuance of permits? California said no permits for refineries but want the US government guarantee them electricity made in other states. Now how progressive.
Finn McCool
December 30th, 2010
2:58 pm
I interviewed once with Primedia but I saw they had Fox News on in the lobby so, needless to say, the interview didn’t go well.
Idiots.
HDB
December 30th, 2010
3:02 pm
williebkind
December 30th, 2010
2:27 pm
The Washington Post, like the NY Times, the Wall Street Journal….is considered a paper of RECORD…so they are NOT as liberal as you suspect them to be!! Their poll was a scientific survey!!
2:30 pm
I’m NOT against profit…..that’s why a corporation must be FLEXIBLE in the regulatory environment so that they CAN profit from the changing ecological/political environment!! If a corporation can NOT adjust to a changing environment, how do you expect them to remain profitable??
Josef Stalin
December 30th, 2010
3:06 pm
I just love it Jay when your column appears and it’s loaded with lies, innuendos and assorted dirty tricks against anything conservative, Fox News, or Republicans in general!
Sorta brings out the best of your “readers:” the jealous, Envious, arrogant and narcisstic left-wing progressive bast**ds!
Keep up the good work and help the AJC continue to lose subscribers!
chuck
December 30th, 2010
3:33 pm
So Jay, I guess there was ever a chance that you could have just congratulated them on the win without adding the snide remarks at the end.
So O’Reilly’s “spiritual cousin” is the WWE? What’s yours…Huffington Post? No, more like the Daily Kos.
chuck
December 30th, 2010
3:39 pm
HDB, ONE article that I read stated that just in the Gulf, we have a 20 year supply. Add in Alaska and the recent find in the Dakotas and we have a 100 year supply JUST HERE IN THE US.
We don’t need the nut job left telling us how to live our lives. They’ll have to pry my steering wheel from my cold dead hands.
Pogo
December 30th, 2010
4:00 pm
Jay, it’s not the number of people that you influence it is the make-up of those that you do influence. FOX influences a very powerful voting block in this country (as evidenced in the last election). The same cannot be said for the progressive “others” you mentioned. Stewart is a clown and as such, should be treated as one. Any serious person knows he means nothing and that he is just as self-serving as any other talking head on the boob-tube pitching crap to make a buck. As for network news, YAWN!!!!!!! CNN? It died years ago, it just doesn’t realize it IS dead.
Mick Hannigan
December 30th, 2010
4:03 pm
Jay-
Is it possible that there are fewer cable/satellite available viewers than regular channel viewers (i.e., Free TV over-the-air)?
Most of the people on this blog probably wouldn’t have brains enough to watch cable/satellite or, if they did, couldn’t find their “Children’s World” channel let alone Fox News!
Eat your heart out CNN and Misguided Nutjobs of NBC (MSNBC for short).
Joe
December 30th, 2010
4:07 pm
When you tell both sides of the story and don’t distort facts you’ll always be #1…..
Martin Williams
December 30th, 2010
4:13 pm
It tells a lot about America’s moral and we keeping fooling the rest of the world that, we are a Christain Nation.
Titleist101
December 30th, 2010
5:15 pm
Jay……you never cease to amaze me. At your core, you are by far a left wing technocrat with zero objectivity. You take statistics and twist them to your own advantage in writiting for the AJC (part of the “liberal conspiracy”). What you don’t realize is that Fox blows away the competition because the American public figured out long ago that the liberal media has been biased all along and that they are just looking for an alternative. I’m not saying that Fox is not biased but their news is far more balanced than the general media.
LIberal Pariah
December 30th, 2010
5:41 pm
Results not surprising. The heartbeat of the average American beats conservative. From just barely to way out there
FOX had a business plan to fill a void and that’s exactly what they’ve done. FOX, CNN and MSNBC are all biased…it’s just that the conservative bias wins!!!!
AIR AMERICA where are you?
Atlanta1
December 30th, 2010
6:35 pm
It’s pretty simple. The Majority of the left splits up between CNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC. The Center holds it nose and usually goes with CNN and then depending on their ‘lean’ the regular networks or Fox. The right is with Fox.
One conservative network; multiple liberal networks.
ken
December 30th, 2010
6:40 pm
Titleist101, I second that.
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rlking2
December 31st, 2010
9:54 pm
Doggone..YOU should check your numbers….Fox out does the liberal networks also. Check it out !
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