CNN poll finds — surprise!! — a divided country
CNN released a new poll last week with some interesting numbers. For example, pollsters asked whether it would be good or bad for the country that Republicans will control the U.S. House of Representatives: 51 percent said it will be good, 42 percent said it will be bad.
That would seem to be pretty good news for the GOP. However, CNN also asked a similar question in 2006, when Democrats took over the House. Four years ago, 67 percent said the Democratic takeover would be good for the country, and only 24 percent said it would be bad. So voters are a lot less optimistic about the impact of GOP control.
But that’s just liberal CNN, right? Well, not quite. It turns out that CNN also asked that question after the 1994 takeover of the House by Newt Gingrich and the Republicans. In that poll, 50 percent of Americans said the GOP takeover would be good for the country, while just 26 percent said it would be bad.
So it seems that House Republicans in 2011 face an unusual amount of public skepticism about their leadership.
The latest CNN poll also asked voters whether they hoped President Obama’s policies would succeed or fail. Overall, 61 percent said they hoped his policies would succeed; 27 percent admitted they hoped his policies failed. The breakdown by party affiliation was stark:
Republicans are rooting against Obama’s success (27/61 percent) while the country as a whole is rooting for him by an identical margin (61/27 percent). (The breakdown by region was also interesting. The percentage hoping that Obama’s policies would work was by far lowest in the South (52 percent).)
That raises an obvious question: How do Republican hopes for an Obama failure compare to Democratic hopes for a failure by President Bush? I dug around a bit, and discovered that in August 2006, Fox News pollsters had asked that very question.
Survey says:
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Pennsylvanian
December 30th, 2010
11:41 am
First? Polls and charts? Does this mean Palin is coming up in the rotation? Got oictures?
StJ
December 30th, 2010
11:43 am
The poll numbers are in line with the last election – people were not necessarily voting FOR Republicans, but AGAINST Democrats. Lacking a viable third choice, their only option was to vote Republican. They weren’t that happy about merely voting for the lesser of two evils.
One Nation Under educated
December 30th, 2010
11:56 am
So, roughly half the Democrats wanted Little Nero w/Cowboy Hat (therefore America) to succeed.
And roughly two thirds of Republiopaths want Obama to fail (therefore America), no matter what.
A third survey would be helpful here – a survey of terrorists. Which group do they mirror, the Democrats or the Republics? Uh-huh, well there you go…….
Scout
December 30th, 2010
12:02 pm
Jay:
As you say ……… surprise ! This is nothing new.
I have said on these threads for a couple of years that our liberal and conservative citizens have less in common politically, morally and even spiritually than our ancestors did just before the “War Between the United States of America and the Confederate States of America”.
This does not bode well for our future.
Kamchak
December 30th, 2010
12:06 pm
Got oictures?
God, I hope not.
Is there a cream or ointment that treats that?
carlosgvv
December 30th, 2010
12:07 pm
Didn’t one of our Presidents, Lincoln I think, say “a house divided against itself cannot stand”? Oh well, that was a long time ago and what did Lincoln know anyway? I’m sure our good modern Democrats and Republicans are so much smarter than him. Right?
Vinny
December 30th, 2010
12:13 pm
Jay -
The question doesn’t define success. Based on what Obama has stated, he wants to “spread the wealth” and turn us into a socialist utopia with an underclass looking to government for their every need. (Re: fundamentally change the U.S)
If that is the definition of “sucess”, then of course most reasonable Americans want him to fail
Peadawg
December 30th, 2010
12:14 pm
” Four years ago, 67 percent said the Democratic takeover would be good for the country, and only 24 percent said it would be bad.” – Ya and we all saw how it turned out 4 years later. Give the GOP a chance, Jay.
Vinny
December 30th, 2010
12:15 pm
Jay,
Furthermore, didn’t Obama state more or less that he would unite the country? That didn’t work out very well now, did it?
Kamchak
December 30th, 2010
12:20 pm
Socialist—SQUIRREL!
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
December 30th, 2010
12:28 pm
The difference is remarkable with 51% of Dems wanting Bush to fail and only 61% of America’s true patriots wanting Obama to fail. Remarkable because 51% of Dems wanted a man who exemplifies the American Exceptionalism in which he belived to fail while only 61% of patriots want a man who believes that America is something to be ashamed of or apologized for to fail.
These numbers, if nothing else, show the mindless, mad opposition of the committed left and the extreme good will of those on the right and in the center who hope against hope that Obama’s failed policies will turn around before the country is ruined.
Palin/Ryan 2012 – America and the Free World’s Last Best Hope
scrappy
December 30th, 2010
12:29 pm
Vinny – seems pretty hard to unite the country when Republicans want him to fail no matter what his policies are…
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
12:30 pm
I’ll just be glad when a poll offers us the option of “put ‘em all in one place and blow ‘em all the hell up.” Can’t recall now who the commedian it was who said that was his grandfather’s solution to whatever the conflict…
The GOP and Democrats alike have proven to be abject failures, but, hey, this is politics…they’re all a pack of self-serving scoundrels on sale to the highest bidder.
Sorry if I’m stealing matti’s thunder, but how can anyone take any of them seriously beyond the serious damage to social stability they are strewing in their wake
Cekker
December 30th, 2010
12:33 pm
Polls are not taken in time warp Jay. Nr in a hermetically sealed environment. Conditions change.
I would argue that more Democrats wanted Bush to succeed 4 years ago not because Democrats are less partisan but because his policies (especially economic) were muss less radically different than their own. Obama’s policies, on the other hand, are much further left of center than conservatives like.
I ncomparison to 1994, you could argue that the media policy bashing on both sides has caused shifts in the way the farthere extremes view each other. This could account for some of the dramatic poll differences from 16 years ago.
arnold
December 30th, 2010
12:35 pm
Vinny. The Senate Republican Leader has stated his aim is to defeat Obama. How can that unite anything but like mined Republicans to vote and support the failure of Obama?
Scout
December 30th, 2010
12:38 pm
scrappy:
That’s because no matter what his policies are, they are bad for the country.
Jay
December 30th, 2010
12:49 pm
Cekker, there’s a major flaw in your argument. As you state, polls aren’t taken in a time warp. And at the time of that Fox poll, by Fox’s own measurement, Bush’s job approval rating was only at 36 percent, with 56 percent disapproving.
That’s considerably lower than Obama’s meaning that the American people in general had seen Bush’s policies and rejected them. Among independents, his approval numbers were 27 percent in favor, and 60 percent opposed.
Among Republicans, Bush’s job approval was still strong — 76-17 — which makes the claims today that Bush wasn’t really a Republican pretty awkward. But the population in general had had enough. Among independents, for example, Bush’s numbers were 27-60.
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
12:52 pm
The only time this country was united, for any length of time, was WWII. That we’re divided now, is pretty much the status quo. The only things that change are what we’re divided about and where the dividing line is.
To go back to yesterday’s topic, Furman Bisher once wrote in this very paper (in a sports column), that people can’t choose where they work; they can only choose where they don’t work. Furman has always been a pretty smart man.
I’m off to the real world, so y’all can throw all the vegetables you care to.
ApostasyUSA
December 30th, 2010
12:54 pm
Welcome to the Divided States of Glen Beckistan.
The Republicans strategy was to manipulate the public by paying all the media outlets to carry their “Democrats are bad” mantras far and wide. Propaganda begets cynicism and sensationalism, sensationalism sells ad space. The media loves the “opposition orientation”. What happens when two kids start fighting at a school? Everyone comes to watch it, and scream, “Fight” at the top of their lungs. This is the mentality that the MSM generally embraces.
Over and over again the media carried worthless narratives, such as “death panels” and pushed huge amounts of misinformation and angry rhetoric into the American psyche. It’s a pay to play media and Republicans, thanks to the Citizens United ruling, outspent Democrats 2 to 1 with moneys coming from secret sources. It’s the classic response of the fossilized right-wing status quo: Create a grotesquely distorted caricature, broadcast the delusion at the top of your lungs, and hope that you manage to reinforce just enough cynicism and hopelessness to ensure the election of someone who truly cares only for funneling all of the country’s wealth and power into the hands of a tiny, corrupt elite.
Republicans exploit the people who vote for them in order to give tax breaks to the richest among us, and do so by stoking anger at Liberals who, ironically enough, are usually the only types of leaders in government who have ever done good things for the majority of the people of the United States of America.
If you have Social Security, Medicare, the right to vote, the right to an education, a clean park or a lake near you. If you were given a disability check or a wheel chair ramp into the store you buy your food, if you like safe bridges, clean drinking water, clean air and a nontoxic environment, if you feel safe when you fly, or eat out, or give your child a toy, then it’s time you give Liberals the credit they deserve.
I prefer that Democrats keep using the facts, no matter how boring. With Democrats we have a government that cares. Thank you all who vote for them!
Banking reforms.
HealthCare reforms:
Nuclear arms agreements:
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act:
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act:
Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure Act:
Children’s Health Insurance Reauthor-ization Act:
Weapons System Acquisition Reform Act:
Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act:
Student loan reform:
Keep on truckin Democrats.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
12:56 pm
Apostasy–
Wouldn’t be a party line partisan, would you?
ApostasyUSA
December 30th, 2010
1:03 pm
josef nix-
If I have to pick a side D’s usally get my votes.
I suppose you vote for no one? Awe…pat yourself on the back.
Pale Rider
December 30th, 2010
1:03 pm
“So it seems that House Republicans in 2011 face an unusual amount of public skepticism about their leadership.”
That’s because even the most obtuse voter can remember the Republicans’ arrogance and recklessness when they pretty much ran everything during the Bush years. Many of us who called ourselves Republicans were so turned off that we’ve permanently drifted away and now enjoy the view from the middle.
RB from Gwinnett
December 30th, 2010
1:05 pm
“If that is the definition of “sucess”, then of course most reasonable Americans want him to fail”
Vinny, I think most liberals will believe the poll is saying you want him to fail because he’s black. They don’t have the mental capacity to understand it’s his socialist policies you want to see fail.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
1:09 pm
Apostasy
Don’t go getting your undies in a wad…yes, I vote, every time the polls open. Afforded a third option, I don’t vote for either the Dems or the GOP. I’m a left wing liberal, myself, so I go there on the ballot. I have never voted for a Republican and probably never will. I have voted for Democrats and probably will again.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
1:11 pm
CNN poll finds — surprise!! — a divided country
Hell, I didn’t need a poll to tell you that.
The current division is not the same as it was 150 years ago. At least not yet. If hyper-partisans keep stoking the fires, we may well end up in that same mindset again. The thing we need most is a media outlet that minimizes the partisanship, and relays facts. It might be boring to watch, but that’s what we need. There’s far too much opinion being passed as factual news nowadays.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
1:12 pm
his socialist policies
I guess that’s part of that Reid/Pelosi/Obama agenda too. Can the Right ever campaign or discuss something without using fear as a tactic?
RB from Gwinnett
December 30th, 2010
1:14 pm
“Furthermore, didn’t Obama state more or less that he would unite the country? That didn’t work out very well now, did it?”
We were also told he would make the muslim world stop hating us by reversing Bush’s bad foreign policy. That doesn’t appear to be working out very well either. In fact, Gitmo is still open and not closing any time soon, terrorists are still blowing things up in nearly every non muslim country on the planet, and to my knowledge he hasn’t reversed a single policy in 2 years.
Yet the Jay’s of the world can’t bring themselves to fault the man for anything. In fact, it appears their strategy is to try to make everybody else look less competent than Obama with their constant bashing for any minute piece of garbage they can dig up (Palin, Newt, Deal, R’s in general, Sonny, Fox News, ad nauseum….).
I wonder if they’ll figure out a massive federal government is a bigger problem than which party is in the white house before it no longer matters.
ApostasyUSA
December 30th, 2010
1:14 pm
RB from Gwinnett
“socialist policies”
Socialist? What in carnation are you talking about?
Let’s see…Social Security….man that sounds allot like socialism. Medicare……more socialism. Republicans want to shut down Social Security and Medicare? Allot of our elderly population require these systems to survive. That’s not going to happen.
What Obama policies were socialist?
Oh…Or are you just another right-wing loon trapped in your loathing perpetuated by right-wing propagandists who are paid by foreigners to spread their misinformation?
One Nation Under educated
December 30th, 2010
1:15 pm
The division in this country is a psychological one – inconsolable and permanent.
It is between two groups who are psychologically different, and incompatible – the Empathetic and the Sociopathic. Depending on which of these groups you are in, it affects every decision we make as a society, from politics to education, from top to bottom. Pretty much every first world civilized nation on this planet has adopted a psychology of “the good of the many outweigh the good of a few”, or “it really does take a village” or “we as a nation are no better than the least of us” or for the fake Christians “Am I my brother’s keeper” Jeebus said why, yes, you are.
The only 3 major countries presently pursuing the other psychology, the short term, “I’m in it for meeee”, “I got mine, you’re on your own”, “pick yourself up by your bootstraps”, “hey, it’ll trickle down, trust me”, “we dont need no stinkin regulation” social Darwinism are – Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and the U.S. Wow, what company….
We cannot go forward until one side wins this war for the psyche of our nation. We can be a new America, or descend into 1930’s Germany. We can be the Do-do bird – or the eagle (even the eagle required gubmint assistance to not go extinct). Lets get it on, already.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
1:17 pm
SoCo
Yes, Obama is a socialist and George Bush is a fascist…my G-d, man, I keep tellin’ ya, you gotta read the memos…
RB from Gwinnett
December 30th, 2010
1:22 pm
“Can the Right ever campaign or discuss something without using fear as a tactic?”
Do you seriously think the dems aren’t doing the exact same thing with their starve children, throw old people out on the streets, class warfare routine? Are you really that partisan you can’t see the obvious in front of your face?
Ragnar Danneskjöld
December 30th, 2010
1:25 pm
Good afternoon. Dear Jay, with all due respect, I think you made an error in your analysis, “Republicans are rooting against Obama’s success (27/61 percent) ” I think you actually quoted the numbers for those Republicans who are rooting against his policies. By personalizing the debate, you debase the poll’s actual findings. Most of us of the hated right would prefer that our president abandon the hopelessly leftist policies of his first two years, and embrace the truth and uprightness of conservatism, and thus succeed personally.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
1:27 pm
Are you really that partisan you can’t see the obvious in front of your face?
I said nothing about the Left. However, if the Right want’s me to vote for them or embrace their agenda, show me facts without all the fear. It’s the same for the Left. I’ll embrace their agenda when I see facts without the fear.
My problem is that the Right uses fear almost exclusively. You don’t see many campaign ads for Conservatives without demonizing someone or something. The Left also uses that tactic, but not to the extent that I see it from the right. If I was paid a quarter for each time I heard Obama/Pelosi/Reid agenda or any combination of the three during the previous election cycle, I could pay the Mega Millions Jackpot from my own pocket.
RB from Gwinnett
December 30th, 2010
1:31 pm
What do you consider Obama care Apo if it’s not a government takeover of the healthcare system?
The problem with people like you is you think somebody is going to one day wake up and say, “today we’re going to operate as a socialist nation”. It doesn’t happen that way. Europe didn’t get to be the failed socialist economies they are over night. What it takes is morons like you allowing it to happen a nibble at at time until one day we wake up and the same government big enough to give us everything is also big enough to take it all from us.
Some of us are students of history enough to see the writing on the wall and know what is happening here is not just wrong, it’s dangerous. People in Europe don’t live in 800 sq ft boxes with no car because they want to, they do it because they have to. If you want to live that way, go to Europe and live there, but don’t drag us in the gutter becuase you want evil rich people to pay for your healthcare.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
1:31 pm
RB
“Do you seriously think the dems aren’t doing the exact same thing with their starve children, throw old people out on the streets, class warfare routine? Are you really that partisan you can’t see the obvious in front of your face?”
You know you and I are frequently polar opposites in most of our views, opinions and how we state them. but the point you make here is well made…both “sides” are in the fear factor game and it’s the motivating factor on both sides…neither would admit that they’re doing it if their lives depended on it, and truth be told, in my opionion, their political lives ARE depending on it.
Cekker
December 30th, 2010
1:38 pm
Good arguments Jay but…
Conservatives want Obama to fail because of his policies. They dislike the direction that his policies are leading the country. His policies have made him very divisive. The policies have divided the country…not the man.
jt
December 30th, 2010
1:40 pm
Take your pick of misery.
On the State/Corpo-sponsered battlefield or State/Corpo-sponsered Workcamp.
R and D voters are severe Anosognosics.
(except Ron Paul of course).
Normal
December 30th, 2010
1:41 pm
Showed this earlier…but, what the hey…
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/12/29/political-pictures-politicians/
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
1:42 pm
EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT! REPUBLICANS WANT OBAMA TO FAIL! EXTRA! EXTRA!
Scout
December 30th, 2010
1:44 pm
Hillbilly:
Regarding WWII, a couple of things to keep in mind re: unity ………..
1) Not all Americans were united in that war espcially some of German heritage.
2) There were “unions” that even went on strike for higher wages while their countrymen were receiving pretty low pay fighting overseas.
3) The draft rate was 66+%. A lot of guys didn’t want to be drafted for the duration of anything.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
1:44 pm
jt
Anosognosics! Yeah, that’s it…
Tommy Maddox
December 30th, 2010
1:44 pm
As for percentages as to how America feels about politics at the moment, I’ll rely for the time being on the election returns from a few weeks ago.
BADA BING
December 30th, 2010
1:45 pm
Yes, this country is as divided now as we were during the Civil? War, And, to think, we don’t even have slavery to blame it on.
ApostasyUSA
December 30th, 2010
1:45 pm
RB from Gwinnett
“What do you consider Obama care Apo if it’s not a government takeover of the healthcare system?”
Here’s what I know of the recent Health Care reforms:
Insurance companies are barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick, ending the practice of rescission. Lifetime coverage limits eliminated and annual limits restricted.
Young adults able to stay on their parents’ health plans until age 26. Many health plans previously dropped dependents from coverage when they turned 19 or finished college.
Uninsured adults with pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
Insurance companies cannot deny group or new (non-grandfathered) individual coverage to children under age 19 due to a pre-existing condition.[43]
A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
Medicare drug plan beneficiaries who fall into the Medicare Part D coverage gap (the so-called “doughnut hole”) will get a $250 rebate. The new law eventually closes that gap completely. (The old law required the sick person to pay 100% of their own annual medicine costs after $2,700 was spent in the coverage year and did not start again until after $6,154 was spent).
A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
A 10% tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.
What are your problems with Social Security or Mediacare? Are they not Socialism? Are you aiming to repeal those laws too?
jt
December 30th, 2010
1:46 pm
josef nix
Thank you.
I’m already driving my wife crazy with that word.
BADA BING
December 30th, 2010
1:48 pm
TH…….WHAT DAY IS IT?
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
1:50 pm
BADA
You better be careful with that possum…you liable to wake up Ursus Major..
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
1:51 pm
Who gives a damn. The Idiot Messiah/Democrat spendfest is over, and that’s the most important thing.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
1:51 pm
Yes …….. divided ………. and here is just another example:
I guess he was just a little ahead of schedule.
“You in the Army now,
You’re not behind the plow,
You’ll never get rich,
By digging a ditch,
You’re in the Army now!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJdQkMIYL1Y
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
1:53 pm
Hot d*mn, there’s L’il Barry…now we can REALLY get rollin’ Got that budget worked out, yet, Pombo?
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
1:54 pm
WASHINGTON, D.C.—December 30, 2013 Defense Department in Panic as Funding Dries Up
With filibuster-proof majorities in both houses of Congress, Republicans were able to finally pass into law the long-awaited FairTax. President Palin signed the bill into to law shortly after her inauguration.
Unfortunately, as predicted by opponents, goverernment revenues have fallen dramatically under the FairTax causing a panic in many government departments and agencies–especially the Defense Department. The shortage is so acute that no amount of money-printing can even come close to the shortfall.
Citing avoidance and black markets as reasons for the dramatic in expected revenues, Republicans Congressmen stated, “it looked good on paper.” “Our task now is one of rooting out black markets and avoidance schemes.”
Stocks of Defense Department contractors such as Lockheed, Boeing, General Dynamics, and Halliburton are in free-fall. “Unless something is done and done fast, we’re bankrupt!” the President of General Dynamics said.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
1:56 pm
Apo, here’s some more of what Obamacare is, and why it is a de facto government takeover of health care (from a letter to the editor in today’s WSJ–should you spot some factual error, feel free to point it out):
———————-
Government defines what health insurance is. Government defines what “minimum essential coverage” is. Government forces everyone to buy one of four varieties of overpriced, low-value health insurance. Government expands government-run Medicaid by 16 million people and plans to issue government checks to buy government-approved health insurance.
Congress establishes 159 government agencies to run the new health-care system. The government grants new powers to the Secretary of Health and Human Services, who will “deem,” “create,” “define,” “determine,” “approve,” “disapprove” and otherwise dictate everything about health care in America. The government takes away the power of individuals to appeal bad decisions by the secretary to the courts. The government assigns Medicare patients to doctors they have never met. The government penalizes doctors who don’t save money for government and insurance companies or follow cookbook medicine guidelines while expanding rationing powers of government and the insurance companies that it now effectively controls.
The government encourages the creation of massive new “Accountable Care Organizations” and suggests that doctors join them so they can help the government and insurance companies ration care to patients.
BADA BING
December 30th, 2010
1:58 pm
josef….just curious. I have heard you talk of your heritage, I cannot guess how you pronounce your name. Strong accent on the last syllable? Were you named after someone?
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
1:59 pm
Scout
@ 1:51
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
1:59 pm
Sorry josef, I have zero experience putting together a household budget. My main problem is figuring out which investment vehicle to roll my monthly savings into.
retiredds
December 30th, 2010
2:00 pm
To say that you want a President to fail is ludicrous verging on stupidity. Whether the Pres is Republican or Democrat, if he (or soon someday) or she fails, we all lose. Under Bush and company the big failure was economic and we see where that led us (anybody remember September 2008 – the spring of 2009 when the economy was tanking). If anyone wished for that, he or she is a fool. So I repeat, if the President fails, we all lose.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
2:01 pm
Would you have wanted Mussolini to fail?
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
2:01 pm
When Obama fails, Americans win.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
2:03 pm
josef nix@1:17 pm
SoCo
Yes, Obama is a socialist and George Bush is a fascist…my G-d, man, I keep tellin’ ya, you gotta read the memos…
——————-
Memo? What MEMO? I’m not on the e-mail list? Did I get downsized again? LOL
DAMMIT
You got to remember about the polls concerning Newt and company. FOX wasn’t telling the regressives how to think back then so the numbers may be slightly off.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
2:04 pm
Your Idiot Messiah wants to fundamentally transform America into a European-style socialist state, and redistribute income from those who earned it to the parasite class (aka “the Democrat base”) and union thugs.
I hope he fails.
If you hope he succeeds, then you’re an American in name only.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
2:06 pm
To My Devil Dog Buddies Out There (and josef) :
DO NOT (Repeat DO NOT) open the below classified document UNLESS you have a USMC Bravo Sierra clearance.
“Eyes Only/Copies Prohibited”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki32TxKNga4
Top Secret Classification Number 4-F
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
2:06 pm
When Obama fails, Americans win
Abrazos
December 30th, 2010
2:06 pm
“Sorry josef, I have zero experience putting together a household budget. My main problem is figuring out which investment vehicle to roll my monthly savings into.”
Better do it quick, LBB. It’s year-end and your busboy shift starts in 3 hours, doesn’t it?
Del
December 30th, 2010
2:07 pm
“So it seems that House Republicans in 2011 face an unusual amount of public skepticism about their leadership.”
Yes Jay that was reflected in last months mid-terms. It truly was telling how confident the public was in Democrats versus how skeptical they were about Republican leadership. If things at some point don’t work out for you at the AJC, I’m certain you could find employment as a DNC spin master. I recall a Parris Island Drill Instructor who you used to say that you can wish in one hand and defecate in the other but when you rub your hands together and take a look, you’ll see what you have all over your wishes.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
2:11 pm
Yes Jay that was reflected in last months mid-terms.
I’m willing to wager that if there were a viable 3rd party in the last election, Dems and Repubs both would have suffered massive losses. Don’t lull yourself into thinking that every vote cast for a GOP candidate was an expressed backing of the GOP as a whole. Many votes were simply votes against the Democratic candidate. If there’s only two people to vote for, that kinda narrows down the choices.
BADA BING
December 30th, 2010
2:13 pm
Scout….is Bravo Sierrra code for BS? I get it…haha. HAPPY NEW YEAR
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
2:15 pm
josef nix@1:53 pm
Hot d*mn, there’s L’il Barry…now we can REALLY get rollin’ Got that budget worked out, yet, Pombo?
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Hint Barry, go back a while where I worked out a budget for maximum unemployment. That will get you started.
Josef
He still hasn’t answered the question about how buying and selling stocks helps the companies creates jobs.
Or acknowledged that Bush Sr. did not serve as long in the military as Jimmy Carter
Del
December 30th, 2010
2:15 pm
“Many votes were simply votes against the Democratic candidate.” Now I believe that’s an accurate statement.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
2:15 pm
BADA
The name? It and the spelling go way, way back in my family. It came via the Dutch-Sephardic line and was originally pronounced with a “Y” sound, but the Ladino was more a “zh”–like French. The pronunciation has been anglicized for generations and it’s pronounced today the same as Joseph. Granddaddy said I was given the name as a warning…I have eight older siblings and he figured I needed to be reminded every time I heard my name that they’d throw me down the well and sell me to Egypt in a heartbeat!
ApostasyUSA
December 30th, 2010
2:16 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout
When are you going to bring freedom back to America?
How about Social Security and Medicare? When do we repeal those laws?
I think it’s funny that you post a opinion written by a neo-con to a Republican publication as “facts”, but I expect nothing more out of most Americans.
How’s that despair-y stagnation for you nation?
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
2:20 pm
Barry
Too bad…I have experience in both, and believe me, the household one takes considerably more time, effort, energy, planning, and creativity! So, who does do your household budget? Good help is hard to find…
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
2:20 pm
The failure of the Republican Southern Strategy in the 2006 elections heralds not only the rejection of Bush but also the end of the long Republican era.
A new American generation has arisen that fundamentally repudiates President Bush and the Republican party.
The GOP’s failure in the midterms is a sign that American evangelicals should give up politics.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Bask, oh bask in your newfound, albeit fleeting, success.
Del
December 30th, 2010
2:20 pm
Scout,
Teufel Hunden and Happy New Year!
HDB
December 30th, 2010
2:21 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
2:01 pm
When Bush FAILED, America LOST!!
Remember: We had the world’s respect and empathy immediately after 9/11…and Bush LOST that because of the Iraq/Afghanistan conflict….rather than going after al Quida!! Note how FAST Bush lost the world’s respect!! Obama is attempting to regain that…but it takes a LOT to correct the errors of the predecessors!!
Never should you want the President to fail…for when he does, as Americans, WE ALL LOSE!!!
Scout
December 30th, 2010
2:25 pm
Del/BADA BING:
Oooo Wah ! (yes …………… wah!)
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
2:26 pm
“Many votes were simply votes against the Democratic candidate.” Now I believe that’s an accurate statement.
It truly was telling how confident the public was in Democrats versus how skeptical they were about Republican leadership.
It would be best to remember that a GOP vote was not an explicit endorsement of Republican leadership too. Overconfidence will simply cause the pendulum to swing wildly to the Left in 2012.
midtownguy
December 30th, 2010
2:26 pm
I want Rachel Maddow to have a baby by Barney Frank, abolish congress, then crown the baby King. That would solve everything. Those who do not like the new form of government can go back to whatever country their ancestors originally came from. No more divided country. I guess you would call me a liberal.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
2:27 pm
Headline: “Quarter of Georgians fail Army Entry Test”
Del ………….
What did they do during Nam? Most guys wouild have just “failed” the test so they wouldn’t be drafted. They must have just taken them anyway?
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
2:27 pm
Scout
@ 2:06
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
2:28 pm
The 2008 U.S. House of Representatives elections were held on November 4, 2008, to elect members to the United States House of Representatives to serve in the 111th United States Congress from January 3, 2009 until January 3, 2011. All 435 voting seats, as well as all 6 non-voting seats, were up for election. The Democratic Party, which won a majority of seats in the 2006 election, expanded its control in 2008. The Republican Party, hoping to regain the majority it lost in the 2006 or at least expand its congressional membership, lost additional seats. With one exception (Louisiana’s 2nd district), the only seats to switch from Democratic to Republican had been Republican-held prior to the 2006 elections. Republicans gained five Democratic seats total, while losing 26 Republican seats, giving the Democrats a net gain of 21. Turnout increased due to the 2008 presidential election. The presidential election, 2008 Senate elections, and 2008 state gubernatorial elections, as well as many other state and local elections, occurred on the same date.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
2:29 pm
Is the Republican plan to pass on all programs to the states?
If yes how will the states pay for these programs (remember GA doesn’t have the money either)?
Will the state pass it on to the county and the counties to the cities?
So at the very bottom YOU will be paying for your own personal police/fire protection (rent a cop/fireman)
and all children will be home schooled.
Except LBB’s he doesn’t like questions
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
2:29 pm
midtown
Rachel Maddow and Barney Frank? G-d forbid…now Rachel Maddow and Anderson Cooper?
Matti
December 30th, 2010
2:30 pm
Division is an essential paving stone on the road to Plutocracy. The commoners are distracted with petty squabbling amongst ourselves while the folks who control the money implement the architecture of 21st-century corporate feudalism. In the end, it makes no real difference to the masses whether there’s a mosque or a synagogue on the corner, whether middle schoolers receive birth control without parental permission, or if two men can validate their long-term commitment with the same legal document as a het couple. Let us fight about prayer in schools, whether to give drivers’ tests in Spanish, and how much taxpayer-funded food or medicine a child born to an impoverished, unmarried mother should actually receive. Let us spit upon each other while hashing out what it means to be a “real American.” The money masters don’t care; so long as we’re busy hating each other, we remain oblivious to their actions, their holdings, their carefully-laid plans, and of course, their names.
Donovan
December 30th, 2010
2:31 pm
Gee, let’s see…CNN does a poll. CNN is a liberal news organization that has fallen by the way side due to its obvious political bent. And we are to believe anything that Jay and CNN puts in front of us?
midtownguy
December 30th, 2010
2:31 pm
That child wold be too pretty to be King, josef.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
2:31 pm
josef:
I’m working on just the right “tint” !
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
2:32 pm
common
“Except LBB’s he doesn’t like questions”
Then why is he so questionable? Hunh? Tell me that, Wiseguy Librul Crackpot…!
midtownguy
December 30th, 2010
2:34 pm
Scout: And those are just those who fail the academic test. You throw in the numbers who are not healthy enough (obesity, diabetes, etc.) we have very few 18-21 year olds fit to serve in the military. I tried to google and check my numbers, but I read somewhere only around 40% of the 19 year-olds in this country are healthy enough for military service.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
2:34 pm
midtown
And too “butch” to be queen!
Scout
A nice dusty rose?
BADA BING
December 30th, 2010
2:35 pm
josef….I was named aftet the British actor Reginal Gardner, but when I was young, everyone just assumed it was Reginald . I got so tired of correcting everyone, that I just gave up and added the ‘D’. That is the way I have always signed my name legally, altho it is Reginal on my birth certificate.By the way, I got tired of hearing people ask if I was related to Reggie Jackson when he was playing. I would say …. No, that would require that we have the same LAST name, now wouldn’t it?
Del
December 30th, 2010
2:35 pm
“pendulum to swing wildly to the left.
I’m just a voter, so that’s advise best passed on to the candidates. That Senior Drill Instructor did have a good point though.
BADA BING
December 30th, 2010
2:38 pm
josef/Scout…..what color boa would go with fatiques? And don’t say ecru!
atltrafficqueen
December 30th, 2010
2:42 pm
I am still laughing out loud at Kamchak’s first comment – oictures! Ha ha!
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
2:42 pm
His (SDI) point was a great point. I try to pass that advice about the congressional leadership to my representatives every chance I get. I wish more would do so.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
2:42 pm
BADA
I gave up on the pronunciation task years ago, too…usually I just answer to anything coming near…it is a good way to screen callers though!
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
2:47 pm
Matti@2:30 pm
So I take that to mean work isn’t going well today?
I don’t need to be Clare Voiyant to see that LOL
Jack
December 30th, 2010
2:47 pm
“stay calm and carry on” I’m hoping that the majority of us in the middle will see through all the spin and give Obama the same chance that bush had to turn this ship of state around. I’m optimistic about the future for my daughters if we can remain a progressive and pragmatic people. Too much noise has been bad for (including too many polls). Peace
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
2:50 pm
Bada
Boa? Are you channeling DDR? Ask her, she knows!
Matti–
Good to see I didn’t steal ALL your thunder earlier on the thread…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
2:50 pm
josef nix@2:32 pm
Then why is he so questionable? Hunh? Tell me that, Wiseguy Librul Crackpot…!
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Only his ancestry is questionable LMAO
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
2:50 pm
Here’s an example of why we have a divided country.
San Franciso has announced completion of free WiFi in all their public housing. A great benefit for those who can’t afford to pay for it. However, San Francisco, although not mentioned by name, is within a group of cities/states with the situation described in this 60 Minutes piece. Before you blow this off, state bailouts is the next big financial crisis. Those on the Left will want to bail them out. Those on the Right will be screaming NO.
http://www.ntu.org/governmentbytes/the-states-day-of.html
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
2:52 pm
Common
“Only his ancestry is questionable”
And now here you go trying to bring evolution into it! Troublemaker…
Del
December 30th, 2010
2:53 pm
Scout, I enlisted a few years before the S.H.T.F. At that time Congress was all worked up about recruit maltreatment at MCRD P.I. and San Diego. Some of the grand standing Congressman during that era swore up and down that they were going to change Marine Corps training culture. It has never happened and won’t happen to any aspect of traditional culture regardless of how many bills are passed for whatever reason. Congress would have to disband the Marine Corps and that has been tried before with zero success. Politicians put their trousers on one leg at a time like the rest of us, so they’ll die too just like the rest of us but the Corps will continue to live in the same way it has since November 10, 1775. Never give up, Never say die…Semper Fi
Finn McCool
December 30th, 2010
2:54 pm
Republicans will be MUCH happier wiping Boehner’s tears away for the next 2 years!
ANY other Congressmen: “Somebody – please – get – that – man – a – hanky.”
Boehner: “Oh, thank you Nancy, very kind of you…..”
Paulo977
December 30th, 2010
2:55 pm
ApostasyUSA
“Liberals who, ironically enough, are usually the only types of leaders in government who have ever done good things for the majority of the people of the United States of America.” OF COURSE!
The irony is that republicans make use of the benefits happily !
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
2:56 pm
Josef
He did say he was going to Lower Al. for New Years (for some reason he thinks it’s kinda like Vegas LOL)
So I figure he will be visitin relations. So he can ask them where his long form BC is.
And whether or not his parents were related at birth LOL
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
2:56 pm
JohnnyReb
“San Franciso has announced completion of free WiFi in all their public housing”
Is that for each apartment or for specific locations within the complex?
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
2:58 pm
“Is that for each apartment or for specific locations within the complex?”
If it’s WiFi – it’s going to be “hotspots” scattered around. “Wi” stands for “wireless” – so it doesn’t need to be in each apartment.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
2:58 pm
BADA
He’ll be looking into alligator and muskrat futures!
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
3:00 pm
JReb
Atlanta could claim to have free WiFi in all their public housing complexes too. All one has to do is jack the signal from Clear.
Big Jim
December 30th, 2010
3:01 pm
Vinny
December 30th, 2010
12:15 pm
Jay,
Furthermore, didn’t Obama state more or less that he would unite the country? That didn’t work out very well now, did it?
As long as smart people such as yourself follow Lord Limbaugh’s edicts, then nothing will get done. If the workplace conducted it’s affairs that way, you would receive a pink slip for listening to someone who isn’t your supervisor. Unless, you work for a company that condones not respecting your BLACK supervisor. Hey, America IS run like that. Even though kunservatives tried to make us hate France, they continue to corner the market on SABOTAGE!
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
3:01 pm
Doggone
Thanks for the clarification…all this stuff is w-a-a-y beyond me.
If that’s the case, it may not be such a bad idea, speaking as a teacher now…
Finn McCool
December 30th, 2010
3:02 pm
Paolo is right,
Democrats make use of federal benefits and support them
Republicans make use of federal benefits and bitch about them and call users “leeches”.
Del
December 30th, 2010
3:03 pm
Scout,
Most who went to Vietnam were volunteers. I believe it was close to 80%. Of those who received their draft notice and went through the induction process there probably were some who purposely failed the test in order to avoid service.
HDB
December 30th, 2010
3:04 pm
HAPPY NEW YEAR, all!!
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
3:05 pm
Josef – now that the wifi will be in place they won’t have any EXCUSE not to learn. Also no more the dog ate my homework and we had to eat the dog (new republican plan to feed the hungry)
LOL
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
3:06 pm
“it may not be such a bad idea, speaking as a teacher now”
WiFi is a pretty good idea, but it’s a problem looking for a solution. It is NOT secure (even though it’s supposed to be) – as people have sadly found out when their data was stolen as it was transmitted. I use it when I travel, but I don’t access things like my bank account. I don’t access stuff like that on my cell phone either. And that’s why I will always have a land line.
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
3:07 pm
Scout from earlier
On unity during WWII. Point taken but I believe that period is as close as we’ll ever come to “unity”, for any period of a few years.
The thing we need most is a media outlet that minimizes the partisanship, and relays facts. It might be boring to watch, but that’s what we need. There’s far too much opinion being passed as factual news nowadays.
I’d agree with that but there’s no money in it, so we aren’t likely to see it.
He still hasn’t answered the question about how buying and selling stocks helps the companies creates jobs.
I still haven’t figured out how stocks have anything to do with the company, after the initial IPO.
He’ll be looking into alligator and muskrat futures!
I wouldn’t think alligators and/or muskrats would have much of a future, anywhere near the Gulf Coast.
As to the country being as seriously divided now as it’s ever been, I just don’t agree with that. We’ve fought 2 1/2 civil wars already and we’re aren’t close to going there, yet.
Jay
December 30th, 2010
3:07 pm
JohnnyReb, I for one won’t support such a bailout.
The only conditions under which such a thing should even be considered is AFTER state officials make the difficult spending/revenue decisions to put them back on the road to solvency. Once that’s done, if they need a temporary loan at market rates to see them through the short term (see the New York City example at http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,947546,00.html ), I might consider it.
Big Jim
December 30th, 2010
3:08 pm
Paulo977
December 30th, 2010
2:55 pm
ApostasyUSA
“Liberals who, ironically enough, are usually the only types of leaders in government who have ever done good things for the majority of the people of the United States of America.” OF COURSE!
The irony is that republicans make use of the benefits happily !
Paulo,republicans don’t partake in handouts and government assistance,until they need it!!!! Why do kunservatives hate that minorities do the same thing when they NEED to? H-A-T-E-R-A-T-I-O-N=The act of hating at all costs. Also see republican.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
3:11 pm
Del
It wasn’t as high as 80%…
http://www.vvof.org/factsvnv.htm
Draftees vs. Volunteers:
25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII.)
Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.
http://www.mrfa.org/vnstats.htm
Draftees vs. volunteers: 25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII)
Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.
Those sites have some interesting facts that I was not aware of about Vietnam. I had an uncle who served as a Marine over there. He never once mentioned it before he died.
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
3:12 pm
“Also no more the dog ate my homework ”
No…now it’s the aether ate my homework!
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
3:15 pm
common
That was what I was thinking, but I hadn’t considered the Republican plan to feed the hungry…
Doggone…
I’m pretty much like you on the information on the computer…I like all this new stuff, I just don’t trust it…of course, Unmentionable says I still don’t think Gutenberg was such a good idea!
Hillbilly
“I wouldn’t think alligators and/or muskrats would have much of a future, anywhere near the Gulf Coast.”
There’s that, too…
Big Jim
December 30th, 2010
3:15 pm
Kunservatives!
How would you describe a LIBERAL who uses his daddy’s influence to get
a temporary gig in the Nat’l Guard to avoid active duty in Vietnam?
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
3:16 pm
My point on the WiFi in public housing is, how can a city who can’t meet their contractual financial obligations justify spending money to put WiFi in public housing? If the city was rolling in the green, yes, but they are not. They continue to make stupid decisions. If the Federal Govnmt bails them out, then everyone else pays for their bad decisions, plus they won’t change. They must be forced to change.
I agree with Jay @ 3:07.
Del
December 30th, 2010
3:17 pm
SoCo,
Many did what was called the voluntary draft. A significant majority did volunteer and it was close to 80% counting those in the volunteer draft.
False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR)
December 30th, 2010
3:19 pm
Happy New Years Jay and Everyone!
BTW RB – I like the word anosognosia. It’s kinda like “active stupid”.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
3:20 pm
Del
I think those sights count voluntary drafts as drafts. I haven’t seen a breakdown that divided voluntary drafts from other draftees. I tip my hat to all you guys and ladies who served over there, regardless of whether it was voluntary or not. Not too many get to stare into the eyes of hell and live to tell about it.
Big Jim
December 30th, 2010
3:23 pm
JohnnyReb
Think about it,before you can get on to a hotspot in most scenarios,you have to have a PASSWORD. Suppose there is no such restriction with this service,and the “trash” of the neighborhood logged on to communicate with other “trash”.Who says Uncle Sam(a white man who has NOTHING to do with Barack Obama) can’t/won’t use his powers to KEEP AMERICA SAFE?
That should make kunservatives feel good about themselves,no need for nooses or klan robes!!!! You would love it,admit it!!
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
3:24 pm
All the Republicans have to do to win over the hearts and souls of their constituency is to cut taxes while raising revenues while keeping social security as is while eliminating the new healthcare legislation while getting rid of illegal immigrants while fighting untold new wars while getting jobs for everyone while implementing tort reform while campaigning for 2012… amongst other things. Piece of cake.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
3:24 pm
JohnnyReb
@ 3:16
Thanks…now I understand your objection better…again, as a teacher, I see it as a good investment.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
3:26 pm
Jay, I don’t see raising taxes in New York a workable option for them this time. They, like California, continue to run rich citizens and businesses out of the city/state due to taxes/fees. I have not verified, but on one of the talk radio shows it was stated that 1 percent of New York taxpayers are paying 50 percent of the taxes.
getalife
December 30th, 2010
3:27 pm
Divided we failed.
Happy New Year.
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
3:28 pm
How would you describe a LIBERAL who uses his daddy’s influence to get
a temporary gig in the Nat’l Guard to avoid active duty in Vietnam?
Most everybody I knew back then, who had strings to pull, pulled them to get out of going to Vietnam, regardless of their politics or even if they had no political beliefs at all. No group had a monopoly on that.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
3:28 pm
TaxPayer@3:24 pm
Piece of cake and another tax cut
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
3:28 pm
“it was stated that 1 percent of New York taxpayers are paying 50 percent of the taxes”
What percentage of the monetary resources do they control? What the percentage of the population is means nothing. If they control 50% of the monetary resources they SHOULD be paying at least 50% of the taxes.
Darwin
December 30th, 2010
3:28 pm
Republicans want Obama to fail? Now really….
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
3:30 pm
HD@3:28 pm
Dan Quayle?
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
3:32 pm
Josef, if the city/state gives laptops to the school children in the public housing, then yes there is opportunity for good. However, it would be “good” if the city can meet their pension obligations, which they cannot. Difficult decisions must be made. Unfortunately, those decisions should have been no WiFi and renegotiation of pension contracts before forced to do so under bankruptcy.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
3:33 pm
New York is also one of those states that run from wealthy (NYC (Manhattan)) to upstate whch in some areas is very poor.
It’s kind of like saying that minimum wage may pay your bills in South Ga. but try living in Atlanta on it.
Jay
December 30th, 2010
3:33 pm
Yeah, Johnny, all the rich people are fleeing NYC.
That’s why the AVERAGE APARTMENT is selling for about $1.4 million in Manhattan.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
3:34 pm
Doggone @ 3:28 – stated like a true Progressive; always with their hands in someone elses pockets.
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
3:37 pm
Common Sense
I never knew him but I knew several people who joined the National Guard to get out of being drafted. In my part of Georgia, you pretty well had to know somebody, in order to get on the NG list. There were way more people trying to get in the Georgia National Guard, than they had slots to fill. I also knew a couple people who when they did receive their draft notice, went and joined the Air Force or Navy, in hopes they’d get easier duty. They may not have gotten easier duty but that’s what they thought.
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
3:37 pm
If it were not for the fact that we have so many poor people that do not pay enough taxes but instead consume tax dollars, we would not have any taxing issues. So, we just need to get rid of poor people. We should ship them all off to India where they can get jobs with American corporations and then they could carry their own weight.
Big Jim
December 30th, 2010
3:38 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe
The question was “How would you describe a LIBERAL who uses his daddy’s influence to get a temporary gig in the Nat’l Guard to avoid active duty in Vietnam?” The point I was trying to make was a liberal can’t run for public office and be a poser without being dragged through the mud. A kunservative CAN and will be accepted later in life for being a poser(GWBush,Ronald Reagan,John Wayne).
You knew the point I was trying to make.Others did as well.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
3:41 pm
Jay, the high cost of an apartment does not mean the rich and businesses are not moving out. It does mean there are enough rich people who will still pay for an apartment in Manhattan – the newly rich entertainers among them. The price is high because there are no cow pastures on which to build more.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
3:41 pm
JohnnyReb@3:32 pm
Josef, if the city/state gives laptops to the school children in the public housing, then yes there is opportunity for good. However, it would be “good” if the city can meet their pension obligations, which they cannot. Difficult decisions must be made. Unfortunately, those decisions should have been no WiFi and renegotiation of pension contracts before forced to do so under bankruptcy.
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NC is trying to lead the nation in laptops for High School students. The laptops were donated by the manufacturer and monitored by the schools. That said not all kids live in the projects so that they might have an advantage over students without wifi at home. Although if they put wifi in the libraries instead that might get the kids inside the doors occasionally and give all equal access..
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
3:43 pm
The price is high because there are no cow pastures on which to build more.
So long as they don’t expect to get a 99 cent value meal served up, then the state could just ban poor people and get that tax distribution more to their liking.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
3:44 pm
This article was referenced earlier today, and I think should be brought up again with the talk about wealth control and taxes. Here’s one statement that got my attention.
We now live in a country in which the bottom 40 percent (120 million people) owns just 0.3 percent of the wealth. Data of this kind make one feel that one is participating in a vast psychological experiment: Just how much inequality can free people endure?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/a-new-years-resolution-fo_b_802480.html
It’s interesting to see when you look at the report where he drew his figures from. It’s rather eye opening.
http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_589.pdf
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
3:47 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe@3:37 pm
Yep. My brother joined the navy in ‘65 went to Nam as a corpsman. Was there during Tet in Da Nang, yep that was a great choice on his part LOL.
He made it back but he doesn’t speak much of the time he spent there.
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
3:47 pm
If people cannot make enough money to pay their fair share of the taxes, then they should be thrown in prison until they can.
Kamchak
December 30th, 2010
3:48 pm
I have not verified, but on one of the talk radio shows it was stated that…
Well there you have it, no need to verify because talk-radio is the standard bearer for quality journalism.
Oy to the vey.
Jay
December 30th, 2010
3:49 pm
The only way apartment prices could be that high is if rich people want to live there.
As to the Nat’l Guard and Bush, I never got involved in the did he/didn’t he controversy. The truth was never clear either way, and it also didn’t matter.
But I do think it’s quite clear that he got into the Guard because he was a congressman’s son. The blame for that falls less on Bush for taking advantage of that out than on the country as a whole for tolerating such blatant unfairness. (Back in the Civil War days, remember, rich men could pay somebody to be drafted on their behalf.
As the Washington Post described Bush’s admission to the Guard:
It was May 27, 1968, at the height of the Vietnam War. Bush was 12 days away from losing his student deferment from the draft at a time when Americans were dying in combat at the rate of 350 a week. The unit Bush wanted to join offered him the chance to fulfill his military commitment at a base in Texas. It was seen as an escape route from Vietnam by many men his age, and usually had a long waiting list.
Bush had scored only 25 percent on a “pilot aptitude” test, the lowest acceptable grade. But his father was then a congressman from Houston, and the commanders of the Texas Guard clearly had an appreciation of politics.
Bush was sworn in as an airman the same day he applied. His commander, Col. Walter B. “Buck” Staudt, was apparently so pleased to have a VIP’s son in his unit that he later staged a special ceremony so he could have his picture taken administering the oath, instead of the captain who actually had sworn Bush in. Later, when Bush was commissioned a second lieutenant by another subordinate, Staudt again staged a special ceremony for the cameras, this time with Bush’s father the congressman – a supporter of the Vietnam War – standing proudly in the background.
Bush’s father went on to run for senator in 1970 against Lloyd Bentsen Jr. – a prominent Texas Democrat whose own son had been placed in the same Texas Guard unit by the same Col. Staudt around the same time as Bush. On Election Day, before the polls closed, Guard commanders nominated both George W. Bush and Lloyd Bentsen III for promotion to first lieutenant – even as the elder Bentsen was defeating the elder Bush.
People just didn’t walk in off the street and join the Guard. MOST people, anyway.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
3:49 pm
HDB: When Bush FAILED, America LOST!!
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To the extent that’s true, it’s because our President Bush had America’s best interests at heart, so any failure on his part would be a loss for America.
That isn’t the case with Obozo. When Obozo loses, it’s a good thing for America. Unless you’re the type who cheers “America’s chickens coming home to roost”, like Obozo’s spiritual mentor.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
3:50 pm
Another thing that’s clear about Bush’s guard service is that news organizations had to forge documents to denigrate it.
Big Jim
December 30th, 2010
3:52 pm
JohnnyReb
Stick to taters,maters,and hootin’ an hollerin’!!!! If you were really on the cutting edge of what’s right, then why not suggest politicians take a pay cut? Maybe,only liberals take a pay cut! Happy?
The dynamics for Atlanta are a lot like NYC,or any huge city, the rich will/can live anywhere they want.Period.Poorer people can’t live wherever they choose.Period. Not difficult to understand.Stop drinking the “Too big to fail” kool-aid.More kunservative BS!!!!
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
3:56 pm
Why shouldn’t a burger flipper pay as much in taxes as a hedge fund manager. It is only fair since they are both individuals with the same opportunities to achieve all that they can be. Maybe a flat dollar amount per person. Surely even the most staunch conservative would agree that such as system of taxation would be as fair as one could ever dream of. Then all we need do is decide on an amount that everyone considers to be fair. Maybe $100 per year. Would that be deemed acceptable.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
3:59 pm
TaxPayer
I have several emails from recruiters for HP-India (Chennai).
I am thinking that they need someone who speaks English to work with the customers here but can work with their site in India.
Interesting that they are recruiting in the US though.
Big Jim
December 30th, 2010
3:59 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout
Didn’t GHWBush bailout a bank his pig-faced son Jeb Bush was involved with?
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
4:00 pm
Perhaps we should just send in whatever amount we like. And we could direct whatever amount we think appropriate to each government department. Don’t like Defense? Zero it out!
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
4:00 pm
People just didn’t walk in off the street and join the Guard.
No argument with that but I knew a lot who tried it.
Common Sense
I know a guy that I’ve known my entire life (he’s a few years older than me). We aren’t actually related but he might as well be my cousin. I knew he had been in Vietnam and I knew he goes to the VA all along, but one day I happened to see a Purple Heart tag on his truck. Later on I was talking to one of his siblings and said that I never knew he got a Purple Heart. They said, “He’s got three of them”. As well and as long as I’ve known him, I’ve never once heard him refer to anything, to do with his time in service.
Dusty
December 30th, 2010
4:01 pm
Well, whoopee another divided country a la polls, papers and peoples!! So what’s new? Nothing! So I decided to take my own poll!! (No graphs. This is free stuff so what did ya expect?)
Out at the birdfeeder, I asked: Is Bookman trying to divide the country or not? Surprise!
Fifty percent (50% to you anosognostics) said WHOOOO? PLain as day. The other fifty percent (50% to you anosos) said “He’s a dirty bird!” Now even the unbalanced can miss that this is a well balanced poll of uninformed participants which means unequivocally that the country is falling apart and we know who did it. (See unaccompaning jigsaw bar codes.)
The guilty ones are perfectly clear to those who can read beyond Mother Goose. The dirty birds are killing us and it’s a bird in the Bush and Obama is a baby goose about to be gandered…
So peck that one to pieces while I make another impartial and important Poll de Poulet.!! Somebody oughta do it. Not that crooked CNN, babee!!
Big Jim
December 30th, 2010
4:04 pm
Dusty
Yeah,and Limbaugh and FOXNEWS are bringing America together!
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
4:04 pm
Depressed wages returning customer service jobs to Georgia
By 11 a.m. Wednesday 40 people in Norcross had signed up to interview for five jobs paying as little as $8 an hour without benefits.
Their desire for low-paying, previously outsourced customer service work speaks volumes about Georgia’s economy, the future of employment in the United States and the seismic changes underway in an increasingly globalized economy.
Mercedes Lassiter of Lawrenceville was first in line at the state-run Gwinnett Career Center. She was a customer service representative for three years until her Atlanta employer outsourced her job to India earlier this decade.
Lassiter, in essence, tried to get her old job back Wednesday, albeit with less pay and benefits.
“So many people have been unemployed for so many years, and so many companies outsourced work overseas that we need to bring the jobs back here,” said Lassiter, 45.
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
4:04 pm
Of course if you believe that all taxes should be eliminated and all government functions eliminated, then there is no need to discuss the notion of a fair tax for each person to pay.
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
4:08 pm
I do find it odd that the Republicans seem to be operating in Grinch mode instead of joyously proclaiming all the great and wonderous things that their newly elected Republicans are going to be doing. Things like making jobs for us all and lowering our taxes and getting rid of that nasty healthcare legislation and making it a sin to get an abortion and an even bigger sin to be gay. Where’s all the GOP cheer.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
4:11 pm
The cheer is in the fact that nothing gets through Congress unless the Republican house passes it.
Democrat spendfest over.
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
4:13 pm
Soothsayer,
I just hope those people taking those $8/hr jobs show a little gratitude by paying their fair share of the taxes, like those unappreciated hedge fund managers do. Now, if we can only establish what their fair share of the taxes should be. Perhaps $20,000 per year even though that paltry amount would still pale in comparison to what we expect from the poor hedge fund manager. It’s a start though.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
4:14 pm
josef @ 2:34
I was thinking something more like “pansy pink” ?
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
4:16 pm
Nothing will get through the house without the blessing of the Republican party. I wonder if that will be a lockstep blessing or if those ranks might start showing signs of strain especially when it comes time to approve a budget that includes more deficit spending. Perhaps a bigger tax cut is in order.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
4:16 pm
Sooth
An interesting exerpt from your link:
But economists and others question whether a U.S. economy built on a foundation of service-oriented jobs — in call centers, malls, hotels, hospitals, schools, governments — is healthy.
In 1998, for example, 72.8 percent of Americans worked in the service industry. By 2018, that will be 78.8 percent of the workforce, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
“We will have a very polarized workplace future in that we will have jobs growing at the bottom and at the top — and the jobs at the lower end are growing much faster,” Cornell’s Batt said. “Many of these jobs do not provide a living wage and the rising inequality breeds resentment among families who may not be able to make ends meet. That creates very, very difficult social and political problems for the United States.”
Guess we’ll be a nation of burger flippers and CEO’s with not much inbetween. Oh well, the plan to do away with the middle class seems to be progressing much better than expected.
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
4:18 pm
Mrs. Fischel runs a meat and cheese shop. Business has steadily declined over several years now. To make matters worse, management has raised her rent, to make up for the other merchants who have closed shops or who are behind in their payments. The third level of this mall is completely dead, and the second is barely hanging on. Just this week, Payless Shoes as well as G&G, Unica and Sunshine Blues, all clothing stores, have gone belly up.
Fischel’s son, a recent graduate of law school, has moved back home from Orange County. He has no job, only mushrooming debts from student loans and credit cards. He loved California and never expected to live in Philly again. It used to be that once you moved out, you stayed out. It was an American right of passage. By 2006, however, two thirds of American college graduates were already returning to their parents. Now, the number is up to 85%.
Right you are TaxPayer. Worry not, however, because when the Repugnican’ts win the White House in 2012 they’re going to “fix” all of this!
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
4:19 pm
Fox News just reported over 300 NY City sanitaiton workers make over 100K per year before overtime. Jay, maybe they are buying those 1.4mil apartments!
Big Jim – I ate frozen popsicles made from kool aid when I was in Thailand in 66 launching bombers and tankers. Were you a glimmer in your father’s eye by then?
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
4:21 pm
SoCo: I quipped with my haircut lady that we’ll be a nation who cuts each other’s hair! BTW, poor Mrs. Fischel’s son above labored long and hard in law school only to find that entry-level law work is now outsourced to India.
Dusty
December 30th, 2010
4:22 pm
Big Jim, 4:04
Is you a dirty bird? Of course Limbaugh and Fox are bringing America together? You thought CNN (Cannot Neutralize Nothing) would do it? You’ve been paying off the wrong Democrats.
AmVet
December 30th, 2010
4:22 pm
Bush had scored only 25 percent on a “pilot aptitude” test, the lowest acceptable grade.
Perhaps the quintessential commentary on his entire public life.
Connected, but not very competent…
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
4:26 pm
I didn’t realize the Liberal defense had retreated so – discussing Bush’s guard time. I’ll change the subject and rev you up. Obama had Fibbs announce he is staying on vacation a day longer because he wants to spend time with the family. Since when was time on the golf course spending time with the family?
Dusty
December 30th, 2010
4:29 pm
AmVet,
Perhaps you would tell us what you made on the “Bicycle” aptitude test? Maybe that is why you were put in charge of the carrier pigeon division.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
4:30 pm
Del:
Check this out …………..
Gunny Ermey gets really angry !
http://www.breitbart.tv/full-metal-jackets-r-lee-ermey-rips-into-obama-administration/
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
4:35 pm
Those poor government workers in NY making only 100k before overtime. I’ll bet they don’t pay nearly enough in taxes once you compare what they pay to what those poor hedge fund managers are forced to pay. We need to come up with something fairer. Perhaps those government workers should just plain quit and go to work in the private industry so they can pay taxes instead of consume taxes. That would be fair. Government workers all across the nation should do the same especially those million dollar soldiers. I mean, talk about a markup. Private industry can provide that security service for a fraction of the cost because private industry is just so much more efficient at everything.
carlosgvv
December 30th, 2010
4:37 pm
Barry
You are absolutely fixated with calling Obama an “idiot messiah”. I have never heard any Obama supporter refer to him as a messiah, and he certainly is not an idiot. So, I can’t help wondering from what goofy right-wing source did you get that? Or, did your delusional mind just make it up?
Big Jim
December 30th, 2010
4:37 pm
AmVet-good one!
Dusty-Cannot Neutralize Nothing?
Dusty=LCD(Lowest Common Denominator)
Dusty
December 30th, 2010
4:38 pm
SoCo,
I had a delightful lunch at BurgerKing today and the employees were all HAPPY. I was not quite as happy because the Whopper Junior had risen in price, striking a blow to my budget. But I struck back by ordering a spiced chicken dollar burger which was a good move. Delightful repast!!
This is just to let you know that conservatives always know how to economize. “Chicken out” is not always bad news.
WillieRae
December 30th, 2010
4:39 pm
Take the underlying division in the country seriously. Casual langage that demonizes opponents and personal assaults to achieve ideological ends are dividing us more and more deeply. I sure hope Mr. Bookman has a mirror.
Big Jim
December 30th, 2010
4:39 pm
carlosgvv
These folks are lost.Even I know idiot messiah is a cleaner way of saying the N word.
Big Jim
December 30th, 2010
4:41 pm
After all,why don’t they call him INTELLIGENT? That would be too much like right,sorry, correct.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
4:42 pm
Fox News just reported over 300 NY City sanitaiton workers make over 100K per year before overtime.
Imagine how many officers in NYPD make over 100k per year. They make 90k after 5.5 years on the job before overtime. There’s gotta be hundreds with more than 5.5 years under their belts.
http://www.nypdrecruit.com/NYPD_BenefitsOverview.aspx
I wonder how long those 300 sanitation workers have been working on their jobs…
Big Jim
December 30th, 2010
4:42 pm
Dusty,why would anyone admit they went to Burger King?
Eddie
December 30th, 2010
4:43 pm
Wipe that poo eating grin off your face Bookman.
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
4:44 pm
Any others out there dabbling in the stock market. I’m looking for my next batch of investments for next year. Any good ideas out there. I’m not interested in banks or munis. Those are bad bets going forward. Any good pharmaceuticals. ABT perhaps.
bjork
December 30th, 2010
4:44 pm
Proof positive there are more decent Americans then cynical ones…. Oprah 7.5 mill/Beck 2+ mill
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
4:44 pm
“Doggone @ 3:28 – stated like a true Progressive”
or, in other words, you don’t know how much of the wealth that one percent controls. Why can’t you just man up and admit it, instead of trying to side-step the question?
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
4:44 pm
I had a delightful lunch at BurgerKing today and the employees were all HAPPY.
I think anyone who has a job nowadays are HAPPY. It doesn’t matter where. Just be glad that you have enough to afford to eat out, even if it is Burger King. That’s considered a luxury to those working for minimum wage.
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
4:45 pm
New Blow to Music as Concerts Fizzle
Ticket Sales Fell 12% Globally in 2010; High Prices Jeopardize One of Industry’s Few Bright Spots.
In the latest blow to the beleaguered music industry, revenue from its chief bright spot, concert tours, declined sharply in 2010, as strapped consumers stayed away in droves and aging acts failed to make up for a thin crop of young superstars.
Ethan Smith says that concert ticket sales are fizzling, a troubling sign for what had been one of the music industry’s brighter areas.
The box-office take for the 50 biggest grossing tours in the world fell 12% to $2.93 billion, from $3.34 billion in 2009, according to Pollstar, a trade magazine considered the leading monitor of ticket sales.
In North America, the drop was even more pronounced, with a 15% decline to $1.69 billion.
Underscoring how the industry leans on aging but tried-and-true acts, Bon Jovi’s 53-city tour was the biggest in the world this year, grossing $201.1 million.
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
4:49 pm
Big Jim: where have you been? Welcome to the blog!
Dusty
December 30th, 2010
4:49 pm
BIG JIM,
AmVet is always telling “good ones”, the same ones over and over. His numerous variations on “Bush did it” are worth at least a run on WikiLeaks. Be the biggest at the bottom. That’s good ol’ AmVet..
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
4:51 pm
“idiot” can mean more than mentally deficient, for example, someone who acts in a significantly counterproductive way. I say that fits Obama very well.
Obama crowned himself the messiah when he announced to be the one we have been waiting for.
carlosgvv
December 30th, 2010
4:53 pm
Big Jim
Absolutely right on all counts. Some people, like Barry, are just beyond reaching.
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
4:53 pm
Well I see both JohnnyReb and Lil Barry worship an “idiot messiah.” How quaint.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
4:53 pm
Obama crowned himself the messiah when he announced to be the one we have been waiting for.
Ok, somebody’s got to get the story straight. All this time, I thought he was the messiah because that’s what Liberals claimed he was supposed to be. Now, he announced it himself. Either way, the only people who have referred to him as any kind of messiah are conservatives. Makes one wonder, doesn’t it???
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
4:55 pm
Doggone – how much money one has or makes has nothing to do with how much tax he “should” pay. “Should pay,” meaning you make much more than me and therefore you should pay more taxes than I, is a liberal/progressive ideology. Disagreeing with that is not side stepping anything.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
4:55 pm
Jay
When I read this “It turns out that CNN also asked that question after the 1994 takeover of the House by Newt Gingrich and the Republicans” I thought of last night’s roundtable discussion on Special Report with Brett Baier. Hosted by Chris Wallace, the question was, given there are many programs that do good for people, that aren’t riddled with waste, and given the magnitude of the cuts necessary absent tax increases, will Republicans go after those programs? Here’s part of Krauthammer’s answer:
““I think Republicans learned a lesson with what happened with the Gingrich revolution in ’94. The Republicans were so heady in those days they thought you could govern from Congress. And they had control of the House and the Senate and they could not. They were defeated. The President faced them down and he won reelection and essentially drove them out of town. I think the others need to understand that with controlling only one house the most they can do is containment.”
I understand your description of the Guard situation as much a condemnation of the system as anything, Your line “People just didn’t walk in off the street and join the Guard. MOST people, anyway.” is pretty much spot on. But just so those with faded memories or those with no memories understand, from my perspective the reality during Vietnam was
- if you had any way at all to stay in college to avoid the draft, you did it. Even if it meant studying overseas like another president just before Bush.
- if you couldn’t maintain some kind of a deferment, you tried to get in the Air Force or Navy so you wouldn’t see combat.
- if you had connections you got in the Guard. Those guys were generally envied. Guard units hardly ever got deployed.
- if you were a poor schmuck with no options you got drafted and went to ‘Nam.
- if you were absolutely nuts you got into the Navy, then volunteered for some of the most hazardous duty around, like Sen Kerry did.
As was said in the last thread, it was a different time. Standards of today of honoring the troops, welcoming them home, saying ‘thank you for your service’ were unknown. What was known was shouts of “babykiller!”, getting spat upon or ignored.
Which is why I have no patience for the “Bush avoided combat by…” No duh. As did hundreds of thousands of his countryment.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
4:56 pm
Some municipalities require that city employees live within the city limits.
That may be one reason that NYC salaries are higher than most would expect.
But hedge fund managers can live outside the city and only pay the work-in-city tax.
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
4:57 pm
It’s been a crazy year!
Hint: control plus sign to enlarge. control minus sign to shrink.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
4:59 pm
bjork
Proof positive there are more decent Americans then cynical ones…. Oprah 7.5 mill/Beck 2+ mill
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Proof positive there are 7.5 mill loser parasites in America.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
4:59 pm
Southern Comfort – Barry is fair game for ridicule just like you guys dump on Bush. Which, BTW, Bush has more class in his little finger than Barry will in a life time. In case you don’t get it, it is mocking. Obama thought he had the answer to everyone’s prayer – the messiah. He has found out he does not, and he ain’t seen nothing yet.
Dusty
December 30th, 2010
5:00 pm
Ah Big Jim,
You asked: Why would anyone admit going to Burger King? Well…why would one NOT admit going to Burger King? Are you too proud or something?
I happen to like Burger KIng. A light thrifty lunch suits me fine. The service is good and prompt. The place is clean as a whistle. The customers mind their own business. I get a change from my usual environment.
Any more questions? OH yeah! My chicken burger had lettuce & tomatoes. As I mentioned before…very good!!
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
5:01 pm
“how much money one has or makes has nothing to do with how much tax he “should” pay. “Should pay,” meaning you make much more than me and therefore you should pay more taxes than I, is a liberal/progressive ideology. Disagreeing with that is not side stepping anything.”
So, are we to take it then that you are in favor of a TRUE “flat tax” where each and every tax payer pays the exact same amount? What do you set that flat rate at? And don’t give a percentage, because a percentage…even a FLAT percentage…means the more you are worth THE MORE YOU HAVE TO PAY.
BADA BING
December 30th, 2010
5:01 pm
Why free wi-fi? It is not a right, nor a priviledge. It is a product and should be paid for. It is not free at Micky Ds or the airport. Someone is paying for it . It is built into the cost you pay. Frisco is a place that you can buy drugs, engage in risky behavior, and tried but was forbidden to distribute condoms to middle school kids. But, Lord have mercy, don’t let the kids get a toy in a Happy Meal ! Why don’t they compromise and put condoms in the Happy Meals?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
5:02 pm
TaxPayer@4:44 pm
I have a business plan to sell water to Alabama and it involves BEER
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
5:02 pm
Dusty, concern not. People too lofty to go to Burger King don’t talk about it.
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
5:03 pm
Oops! That was part 2. Here is Part 1.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
5:06 pm
Southern Comfort@4:53 pm
Maybe regressives see him that way. He saved their party from taking the entire blame for the fiasco that Bush got us into.
although with the miracles that Obama has worked I will reserve judgement
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
5:06 pm
Doggone – I don’t have a firm position on the tax system other than it stinks. Everyone who makes a wage should pay something, but we have about 47 percent or so who end up each year having paid no fed tax. And, I am completely against the theory that just because you have money you should give some of it to those who don’t. I’m not rich, but I am comfortable. I got it the American way, I worked for it. There is nothing stopping ANY American from doing the same.
Dusty
December 30th, 2010
5:06 pm
Go for it, PAUL. Bush wacking gets so tiresome. I do believe you have reached your saturation point. And haven’t we all! Well, most of us.
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
5:07 pm
I have a business plan to sell water to Alabama and it involves BEER
I had some thoughts along the lines of a Coors for Republicans. It would start with the finest Rocky Mountain yellow snow. After all, they do love their trickle down.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
5:08 pm
TaxPayer, you a funny guy!
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
5:10 pm
All this partisan bickering has to stop! Surely we can work together. Right?
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
5:10 pm
“miracles that Obama has worked” – impressionable youth.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
5:11 pm
JReb
You may do it in mocking. As a Christian, I find it distasteful and downright disgusting. I don’t dump on Bush, nor do I dump on Obama. I have served in the Fed Gov’t under both of them, and I’m one of the ones who say they are two peas in the pod. From my vantage point, I haven’t seen much to distinguish the two of them. Frankly, Bush was somewhat better for fed employees in comparison to Obama.
As far as class, I don’t think either one of them has much class as they have both repeatedly lied to the American public. Liars have NO class in my book.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
5:11 pm
Soothsayer – is that like saying, surely you Conservatives know the error of your ways.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
5:11 pm
Dusty
I don’t mind honest criticism, but I do get a bit tired of people applying current standards to situations that took place decades (or hundreds of years) ago.
And I too enjoy the occasional Burger King or Jack in the Box. Usually order the value menu burger – it’s plenty for me for lunch – with no cheese or mayonnaise. Little adjustments like that make a huge difference in the calorie/fat gram department after a week or so.
BADA BING
December 30th, 2010
5:12 pm
Dusty, eat where you want. These people here won’t be happy unless you tell them you went to Whole Foods and bought free range beaver nuggets and organic, multi grain, fat free, vitamin enriched, sea salted, natural grass shoots.
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
5:12 pm
“Everyone who makes a wage should pay something, but we have about 47 percent or so who end up each year having paid no fed tax.”
Your lack of compassion is duly noted: “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
John Kenneth Galbraith
“And, I am completely against the theory that just because you have money you should give some of it to those who don’t.”
Since no one is doing that, you can take you indignation and shove it.
“I’m not rich, but I am comfortable. I got it the American way, I worked for it. There is nothing stopping ANY American from doing the same.”
There is, but you are too “morally superior” to acknowledge, or worse, evey TRY to understand it. I too am comfortable, and I too worked for it. And I didn’t even have a husband to help ease the process. But I come to VERY different conclusions than do “modern conservatives” about those who were not able to do as well as I.
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
5:12 pm
Just trying to make a living the dog eat dog way so I don’t stand out in a Republican dominated crowd.
Pogo
December 30th, 2010
5:13 pm
It is hillarious to hear the whining progressives say that all that conservatives want is for Obama to fail. Of course we want him to fail. To follow the un-ending/progressive money spending orgy that he, Reid and Pelosi have been involved in in the last 2 years means certain failure for our country. When the shoe was on the other foot 3 years ago all one could hear from the left was how much they hoped Bush failed. Well, he did and how much better off are you for it? You voted in a Keynesian who basically stands for nothing and who is driving this country into the dirt.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
5:13 pm
NoCom @ 5:06
Paul
December 30th, 2010
5:13 pm
Hey TaxPayer
“Just trying to make a living the dog eat dog way”
eat dog? You may wanna try Dusty’s Burger King…..
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
5:14 pm
JohnnyReb,
I think your “idiot messiah” and “you ain’t seen nothin’ yet” talk is funny too.
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
5:15 pm
Now here’s how to get things done
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
5:16 pm
You may wanna try Dusty’s Burger King…..
I always wondered what that Angus beef really was.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
5:16 pm
Southern Comfort – there you go getting all serious. The truth is, I think Obama is a well meaning person. I just profoundly disagree with his beliefs.
I don’t agree Bush lied. I trusted Bush, but not Obama. You can’t believe what Obama says, you must watch what he does. I do sincerely believe Bush has more class than Obama and represented the Office of President much better than has Obama.
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
5:17 pm
Perhaps Pogo will vote to get those roads paved.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
5:19 pm
What’s wrong with Burger King? I like Dusty. I don’t buy everything on the menu at Burger King and I don’t buy everything on the menu at Dusty’s either.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
5:21 pm
Doggone – you are correct. I have zero compassion for someone who sets on their butt but can get up for a handout. I don’t want or need the government taking my money to give to others. Instead, I will give it to that guy who tried, who continues to try, but for some reason can’t quite make it. I deplore Progressive ideology in this regard.
khc
December 30th, 2010
5:23 pm
what a world, folks on left want to give it away, folks on right are somewhat greedy…..wish someone from the middle would prevail without having to kiss arse for the two ends of the bell curve…..i wonder how successful a baseball or football team would be if top1% of team (1 or 2 players) make 23% of the team payroll? especially if they make a lot of big bad plays ie guys on wall st
TaxPayer
December 30th, 2010
5:24 pm
JohnnyReb,
Do you have a questionnaire for the people with their hands out. How else will you know if they tried hard enough to meet your minimum requirement for charitable giving. Then again, perhaps you trust Jim and Tammy Faye to make that determination for you.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
5:24 pm
TaxPayer@5:07 pm
Alabama is closer. Need to get HD involved for the beer delivery. And SoCo has the water rights to the Hooch.
I think I heard BK is adding nutria to the menu very high in protein
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
5:25 pm
SoCo
@ 5:11
Don’t you know you can’t say that, It’s right there on your birth certificate.
Seriously, though, I’m with you in the peas in a pod…
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
5:25 pm
“I don’t want or need the government taking my money to give to others”
Then I take it you are against all forms of government subsidies for any and all businesses, farms, emerging technologies, health research, etc, etc, etc.
Gee, just THINK how much money we could save if the government stopped doing all that. I’ve already said your lack of compassion is noted, you don’t have to keep proving it.
AmVet
December 30th, 2010
5:26 pm
I never faulted George.
Lots of guys were trying to play any angle they could to get out of going.
I just found it a little ironic that the cons made him out to be the war hero while their (supposedly non-connected) goons smeared the real guys. I always admired how the GOP perfected some of those Nixon lessons.
And even without hamburgers, I am forever Dusty’s Dr. Pavlov…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfjU3_XOaA
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
5:27 pm
TaxPayer – I might not end up with a good batting average picking the right people to help, but I know I would do better than the government record.
It continues to amaze me that Progressives think they have the right to take from one to give to another. That’s immoral, unethical, and downright wrong.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
5:30 pm
Doggone – there you go trying to justify handouts/welfare by turning to government programs that control the economy.
And, stating my political positions does not show lack of compassion. You don’t know what I give or who I give it to.
Dusty
December 30th, 2010
5:30 pm
Well, dang, I was just getting ready to start a Burger King Bistro Club when PAUL shot the whole idea to pieces!! EAT DOG? Try Burger King?? Now what kind of talk is that for the kingly burgers?? Repent, Paul or I will say something mean about Texas (and that speeding ticket I got there)! Yes.
BADA BING–you have cured me of ever wanting to go to Whole Foods. Your list had dollar marks written all over it. My Scottish ancestry arose in distress. BEWARE! And thanks for your support in freedom of choice to eat, drink & be merry…just as I enjoy the lovely Burger King!! Happiness is a Whopper!!
Paul
December 30th, 2010
5:33 pm
AmVet
“I just found it a little ironic that the cons made him out to be the war hero”
I’d venture to guess most of those types were the ones with faded memories or no memories.
“while their (supposedly non-connected) goons smeared the real guys.”
No kidding. They served, they got hit, they lost limbs, but if you disagreed with their current politics, suddenly they were secretly working for Ho Chi Minh.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
5:33 pm
JohnnyReb@5:21 pm
So how do you tell them apart?
Is the 20 year old guy out there working at BK 20 hours a week making minimum wage a better person in your book or the 55 yo father of 2 who has worked his whole career, gone to college, paid taxes just to have his job get shipped offshore he draws UI while looking for a job on the internet.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
5:34 pm
Bada – great post on Whole Foods. I thank the good lord there are no whole foods on the south side of town. Otherwise, my challenge would be more than trying to convince my boss its a waste of money to buy Organic.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
5:35 pm
AmVet
Thanks for the CCR -
Uh, Dusty, Taxpayer was talking about ‘dog eat dog’ so I suggested he get outta that and move over to your Burger King for a proper burger……
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
5:37 pm
Alright! Alright! I can’t keep it in any longer! I’m voting for Sarah in 2012! Don’t hate me!
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
5:38 pm
Common Sense – there are multple levels of people needing help. Both of the two you describe probably need help of some type and it may not be money. As for those not to help, I would start with second generation and more welfare. Oh, but they will starve. You are cruel. No I’m not, and no they won’t. If faced with death or work, they will chose work.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
5:38 pm
JReb
You want to know how to tell if a politician is lying? Their lips are moving. I don’t trust any politician any farther than I can throw them. Also, I don’t wear my religious beliefs on my sleeves like some others do here, but I do take my beliefs seriously.
Both, Bush and Obama may mean well by their actions and policies, but they have both done a disservice to many Americans by their actions. I won’t stand in judgement of them, as it is my obligation to respect them as CIC. I just pray that this country heals from the division created by the two of them. I don’t think they’re solely responsible for the division, but they are mutually responsible for the recent amplification of those divisions.
Dusty
December 30th, 2010
5:40 pm
MAN IN COAT OF MANY COLORS KNOWN AS JOSEF,
Whatcha mean “I don’t buy anything on Dusty’s menu”? Huh? What menu? You aren’t going political on me, are you? On this blog? I bet you even shop at Whole Foods. Watch it or get thrown into the well AGAIN!!
Doggone/GA
December 30th, 2010
5:43 pm
“You don’t know what I give or who I give it to”
and I don’t care either
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
5:44 pm
JohnnyReb@5:38 pm
So bad choices by a generation condemn the future generations to poverty.
How do you feel about the EITC?
Food Stamps?
Workfirst program?
Free school lunches?
These are programs designed to assist children out of poverty but some here are totally against them as they require tax money to fund
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
5:44 pm
Southern Comfort – for what it’s worth, I’m not a blind supporter of Bush. There were several of his objectives on which I disagreed. I think his biggest mistake was not making Congress fund the war after having gotten support from everyone of them but Barry. Doing so would have forced some hard choices and our current situation possibly would be different.
As to religion, I have deep convictions but when I do go to church, I set in the back pew.
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
5:45 pm
If only we can elect a Republican in 2012, we can get back to this.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
5:48 pm
Soothsayer 5:45
Do ya’ think a guy writing for “Centre for Research on Globalization” just might have an agenda?
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
5:50 pm
DUSTY
There you go again, misquoting me to serve your own nefarious ends…I never said I don’t buy ANYthing off your menu, I said I don’t buy EVERYTHING…d*mn, Girl, anybody who can quote Ecclesiaticus, Shakespeare, et al. from memory can’t be ALL bad,,,
And, no, I don’t shop at Whole Foods…they don’t carry possum and armadillo…
Paul
December 30th, 2010
5:51 pm
Soothsayer
Well, on the same website the good professor also offered this:
“The Obama Enigma: Imperial Interventionism and Militarism”
So there ya’ have it -
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
5:51 pm
“Do ya’ think a guy writing for “Centre for Research on Globalization” just might have an agenda?”
Well, it’s not Conservative. I can tell you that much.
Dusty
December 30th, 2010
5:52 pm
AmVet @ 5:20 who said “I never faulted George.” (Bush that is)
Congratulations!! You have been elected President of the National Liars Club by unanimous consent. Just came over the wire. They couldn’t have found a more experienced man.
Keep up the good work, AmVet.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
5:52 pm
Soothsayer@5:45 pm
No wonder China loves us and our money
Paul
December 30th, 2010
5:53 pm
Soothsayer
Like this line from the perfesser?
“And the Obama team is what can be called a soft neoconservative team, all devoted to maintaining the military-industrial complex, and all sold out with the ideology of permanent wars rather than permanent human progress.”
Golly, Bush is starting to look not so bad, eh?
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
5:53 pm
Common Sense – no, bad choices don’t necessarily condem future generations. But just giving money to bad actors contributes to generational failure. The bad actor needs to be dumped to make it on his own. His offspring needs help/education so as not to repeat the bad behaviour.
ETIC – I am not culturally neutral. People live in tribes, have from the beginning. All the government social engineering in the world won’t change that.
Food Stamps – should not be permanent. If they are constantly needed, another approach is in order. I have a problem with food stamp recipients who have a cell phone, big screen TV, designer jeans, and bling.
Free School lunches – the recent AJC report on the ATL schools included the percentages of students on the free meal program. Someone is lieing.
I am all for programs that lift people out of poverty. Problem is, most of those administered by the Feds don’t work. A handout is not lifting someone from poverty.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
5:53 pm
Soothsayer 5:51
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
5:54 pm
josef nix @5:50 pm
And, no, I don’t shop at Whole Foods…they don’t carry possum and armadillo…
Do they carry nutria
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
5:55 pm
“The Obama Enigma: Imperial Interventionism and Militarism”
What? I don’t have that on mine. Those are Google ads at the bottom of the page. Global Research has no control over them.
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
5:55 pm
NYC Snow job: Slow clean up was Union protest…
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/sanit_filthy_snow_slow_mo_qH57MZwC53QKOJlekSSDJK
BADA BING
December 30th, 2010
5:56 pm
Dusty you are on fire tonite. When did Burger King start serving a ‘Sassy Burger’? You want fries wid dat?
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
5:56 pm
$5 Gas Predicted Under Obama — What, No Pitchforks?
http://townhall.com/columnists/LarryElder/2010/12/30/$5_gas_predicted_under_obama_–_what,_no_pitchforks
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
5:57 pm
Paul: Obama is simply a continuation of Bush. I keep trying to tell everyone that who we elect or which party they come from makes absolutely no difference. They are nothing more than puppets controlled by corporations.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
5:58 pm
Soothsayer
Here ya’ go
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13959
A Canadian professor of economics who’s been around a while who’s part of the ‘yeah I’m Canadian but I’m really French” contingent… you can almost place a sure bet he’d make Sprk Pelosi look like a neocon -
Paul
December 30th, 2010
5:59 pm
Soothsayer
I won’t go that far, but I do think the money emphasis to maintain the power base has a compromising influence.
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
5:59 pm
$5 Gas Predicted Under Obama — What, No Pitchforks?
There’s a slight difference in predicting $5 gas and actually having to pay for $5 gas. I’m sure there will be a whole lot of protesting if gas does indeed go that high.
JReb
Come off the back pew.
The Church is within you. If you don’t completely agree with what you hear in that building, as long as you are true to your convictions and beliefs and God is with you, you’ll be ok.
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
5:59 pm
More Global Warming: NOW IT’S SNOWING — IN PHOENIX…
http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/2010/12/30/20101230phoenix-area-residents-report-snow-falling-valley.html
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
6:00 pm
USMC dawg: I would be looking for much higher than $5.00 a gallon within the next five years. 2006 is commonly accepted as the peak of World oil production. Now that China and India are coming on line, look for gas to go way up.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
6:01 pm
common
You know what eludes me? How can so many of those talking about the cycle of poverty and the next generation be opposed to anything aimed at ending it by addressing the NEEDS of that next generation to get out of it…pull yourself up by your own bootstraps? By all means, but if you don’t have any boots from jump street, that’s pretty hard to do…folks go begruding the little b*ggers that measly USDA breakfast and lunch…a fr*kken box of milk and slap of grits or measly half an orange…ssshhhesh…food stamps? That’s more of a subsidy to the farmer, trucker, chain food store, etc and the workers there as it is to the welfare mother at the check out line…
And know what else is funny? I’ve made mention here before in the lighthearted good eats exchanges of the best macaroni and cheese being made from commodity cheese…amazing how many of those most opposed to government hand outs shared some pretty good recipes using it!
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
6:02 pm
Freak snowfall = no global warming. Got it! I certainly won’t worry about it any more.
Dusty
December 30th, 2010
6:02 pm
JOSEF..But but THE MENU! What menu?
Ah ha, “quote from memory”!! Yes, indeed. Now what did I do with that book?
You HAVE helped finish off Whole Foods. No possum or armadillo there. Those snobs! I bet they don’t even have chitlins..
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
6:02 pm
Obama Team Dysfunction Hurt Economic Policy, Book Excerpt Says:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/30/alters-the-promise-epilog_n_802866.html
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
6:03 pm
Common
Don’t know about nutria…we’ll have to ask Barry when he gets back from his trip abroad…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
6:04 pm
Coal suppliers in China are bitching because the gov’t has placed the price too low for them to make a profit.
Guess the Chinese gov’t needs to take a few of them out and shoot them
Paul
December 30th, 2010
6:05 pm
josef
“How can so many of those talking about the cycle of poverty and the next generation be opposed to anything aimed at ending it by addressing the NEEDS of that next generation to get out of it…”
Quote of the day, IMHO -
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
6:07 pm
You’ll wonder where the yellow went!
Remember when life was simple?
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
6:08 pm
Josef, I’m not opposed to the free lunch program for those who truly qualify. My comment that someone was lieing was based on so many schools listed where the percentage of students on the program was near or at 100. If poverty is that wide spread in the ATL school system, problems are bigger than I think.
Even back in the 50’s when I was in grammar school, the lunch room had fed commodities including the cheese. Later, my mother would be the lunch room supervisor at a grammar school in Newnan. I remember well her telling me of the fed commodites she received to help with the lunch program.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
6:10 pm
Soothsayer
Just bought a couple tubes of Pepsodent yesterday. Wife prefers it -
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
6:11 pm
josef @ 6:01
Standing Ovation!!!!!
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
6:11 pm
Southern Comfort – thanks for the kind words. It’s too deep and personal for here, so let me just say I can’t fill my father’s shoes as to which pew I belong.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
6:12 pm
DUSTY
Bet they won’t have no hog jowls either…
Unmentionable came back from Publix with this one…he was at the New Year’s Day display of the traditional goodies and said that an illegal immigrant of the imperialist infidel horde was turning her nose up and says “do people REALLY eat this?” He says there was an old school blue-haired Buckhead doyenne turns to her and says ever so ladylike, “Yes ma’am, Miss Priss, we REALLY do. You’re a newcomer, aren’t you?” He says he whispered to her, “to the South AND to Buckhead..”
Dusty
December 30th, 2010
6:14 pm
BADA BING A Sassy burger? Hey, I like that. I will order one next time with spicy oo’la’la fries (but no french candy kisses!) Gotta be good!
Now off to my kitchen for momentous homecooked concoctions. (That gives you a clue as to why we eat out so happily.) Cheers!!
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
6:17 pm
Here’s to hog jowls and blackeyed peas. American by birth, Southern by the grace of God!
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
6:17 pm
JohnnyReb@6:08 pm
Even back in the 50’s when I was in grammar school, the lunch room had fed commodities including the cheese. Later, my mother would be the lunch room supervisor at a grammar school in Newnan. I remember well her telling me of the fed commodites she received to help with the lunch program.
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And that was when tax rates were higher and we had a higher percentage of employed people
And because many programs are based on INCOME the maximum UI benefits will not allow participation in these programs. Even if your ENTIRE UI check is used for rent, utilities and basic living expenses.
Yes the problem is larger than you think it is. (and thats just Atlanta). Look at some of the counties off the beaten track where unemployment is over 20% and funds have run out. It’s not a pretty sight.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
6:19 pm
josef nix@6:01 pm
you librul you
USMC dawg
December 30th, 2010
6:19 pm
OBAMA’s Car Czar, Steve Rattner, agrees to pay $10 MILLION to settle two lawsuits in which he is accused of PAYING KICKBACKS in order to win investment business:
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/12/30/rattner-settles-with-cuomo/?hp
Soothsayer
December 30th, 2010
6:20 pm
Good night everyone. Here’s a little something to tide you over until tomorrow night.
JohnnyReb
December 30th, 2010
6:20 pm
My boss will be home soon. Gotta run. Regards to all, even the misguided Progressives, bless their heart.
Dusty
December 30th, 2010
6:21 pm
JOSEF, good story!!
Here’s to SOUTHERN hog jowl and SOUTHERN back eyed peas!! Yayyy! Happy New Year!! And to all, a good night!
Paul
December 30th, 2010
6:21 pm
josef nix
That was great!
My favorite Publix memory was when I was in line behind an elderly couple. They had only a couple items, the cashier put them in a bag and asked, “Sir, would you like help out with your bag?” He said, “No thanks, she walks just fine all by herself.” The women grinned and whacked his shoulder and he walked away chuckling.
I bet it was like that for the previous 50 years -
Paul
December 30th, 2010
6:22 pm
g’night Soothsayer – have a good one -
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
6:22 pm
I hope you mean the Progressive republicans too
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
6:22 pm
Johnny…
Free and Reduced lunch eligibility is determined by number of persons in the household and household income. Yes, there are many schools where virtually all are eligible. You say the problems are bigger…yes, they are.
Now, my own commodity cheese story. One of my neighbors came by one day with a gift…it was a nice sized chunk of commodity cheese. His sister in Texas had UPS’d a big block of it she got during a handout following a flood in her area. I almost forgave him for belonging to the Piedmont Driving Club!
Paul
December 30th, 2010
6:23 pm
Reb
Hope you have supper ready for the Boss -
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
6:25 pm
Paul@6:23 pm
Yep, he will have commodity cheese and whine
sgt snorkel
December 30th, 2010
6:26 pm
clearing the air of ‘possum’s and burger king and armadillo’s. Including Obama and Bbbbush!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk
Ladies and gentlemen I give you George “the magician” Carlin.
No children allowed!
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
6:29 pm
PAUL
Love that Publix story! And, yeah, that’s the secret to a happy marriage. Back when we were celebrating 25 years, one of Unmentionable’s co-workers, oohh’d and says, “and I bet it seems like only yesterday.” “No,” he said, “it seems like 25 long, grinding, miserable years!”
Paulo977
December 30th, 2010
6:39 pm
josef @6:01p
“amazing how many of those most opposed to government hand outs shared some pretty good recipes using it!”…What hypocrisy, isn’t it?
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
6:43 pm
JReb
Even if we’re on opposite sides of a view, you’re still a good guy in my book.
Paul
December 30th, 2010
6:48 pm
Off to finish some paste e fagioli for supper.
Pleasant evening, all -
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
6:48 pm
PAULO
And it also tells you just how much the culture of poverty is ingrained in us here in the colonies and just how close we are to it. A friend tells a story relative to one of his patients who, well let’s just put it this way, was one of those ueberrich. They had been chatting about this, that and the other “Suthun.” He was looking at her multi-carated hand and remarked, “I’ll bet these hands have never picked cotton!” She straightened up proudly and said gently, “well, you’d lose.”
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
6:49 pm
SoCo
Yep. JohnnyReb is one of my heroes.
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
6:57 pm
I’ve eaten at Burger King so long that I can remember when a Whopper was more than twice the size it is now. When I was a teenager, I’d eat 2 Whoppers, 2 large fries, and drink a large milkshake. I weighed about 130 when I graduated high school, too. I think I either had a very high metabolism or a tapeworm.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
7:03 pm
HD
I think I either had a very high metabolism or a tapeworm.
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I always say I had a tapeworm and killed it by drowning it in beer
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
7:05 pm
Hell I remember the first BK in Mayretta and the first McD’s
just a few years ago LOL
Scout
December 30th, 2010
7:07 pm
Hillbilly:
When I was a kid we didn’t have “Whopper’s”.
However, I could get three Krystals, fries and a coke for 26 cents.
Everything was a nickel plus a penny tax ………………..
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
7:09 pm
Hillbilly
I remember those whoppers, too…I could eat two, too…and “kept my figure…” And now? Obviously that tape worm done died!
Oh, yeah, and what’s a french fry? Something that stays in your mouth a few seconds, in your stomach a few hours, and on your gut the rest of your life…
barking frog
December 30th, 2010
7:09 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
6:57 pm
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two burgers are must haves at least once a month
BK and Krystal.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
7:11 pm
Okay, Krystals…remember the contests? How many can you eat…my record was 34!
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
7:12 pm
Howdy gang–Lots of changes for me this year, all for the good. I hope everyone else had a successful year as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENDuhcjAoCw
barking frog
December 30th, 2010
7:15 pm
josef, never more than 10 Krystals but when
the kraving komes on… I have gotten out of bed
dressed and gone to the Krystal….
Scout
December 30th, 2010
7:17 pm
josef:
You beat me but I couldn’t have afforded that many anyway …………….
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
7:17 pm
I see I missed out on the “gourmet dining” discussion this evening. ; > }
At any rate, if any of you get the chance, go to Garrison’s Broiler and Tap in Vinings. The chef there is better than any at the 4 and 5 star restaurants in Atlanta.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
7:19 pm
Poker night was always a Krystal night. 5 guys send 1 to the Krystal for 100 burgers. and 1 coke LOL
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
7:20 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu-YftKYdms
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
7:23 pm
SCOUT
Didn’t have to pay for them, I won!
Frog..
Same here! When you get the kraving, there’s nothing but… when I was in school Up Nawth and came home on the first break, there I was in the land known for its fine eats…”Where do you want to go eat?” Me and Unmentionable both in unison, “Krystal!” and, “you owe me a Coke!”
BRUNO
Hey, Bro…do they serve possum on the half shell?
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
7:24 pm
If I know HD as well as I think I do, he’s strictly a 5 star restaurant man! ; > }
Fortunately, I found a great barbeque restaurant here in Columbus called Country’s. Puts 90% of the BBQ joints in Atl to shame.
Does anyone else here think that Harold’s is WAY overrated???
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
7:26 pm
“Hey, Bro…do they serve possum on the half shell?”
There’s a place that serves only roadkill that has possum on the menu. : > }
Del
December 30th, 2010
7:27 pm
Noticed some more Bush bashing which is not uncommon on the blog. This time it had to do with GWB hiding from combat safely inside the National Guard. The POTUS at anytime can at his discretion call up National Guard units and commit them to a war theater. Johnson and Nixon chose not to do so during Vietnam. This meant that anyone serving in the Guard wasn’t exactly guaranteed a no combat chit because the two war time presidents could have sent their respective units to Vietnam. Bush was commissioned as a2nd. Lt. later promoted to a 1st. Lt.and trained as an F-102 fighter pilot. The Air National Guard allowed for pilots to volunteer for Vietnam duty. Bush inquired into volunteering and was told that he had insufficient flying hours and that the F-102 was soon to be obsolete. Training new pilots on newer fighter aircraft wasn’t a high priority during Bush’s time as the war was winding down and he wasn’t making the military a career.
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
7:31 pm
For you, josef, in honor of the repeal of DADT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1lp_Gzm8V4
Since you prefer people to be “out front” about their opinions, I have mixed feelings about it, but will defer to those wiser than I am.
ROAD HOG
December 30th, 2010
7:31 pm
BADA @ 5:01 – great idea for the Happy Meals. You could go ahead and include an application for future employment, welfare, and WIC. Meanwhile, I’ll buy some Church & Dwight company stock, owner of Trojan brand. Ticker symbol CHD. Hell ,I might get to open that Harley shop after all.
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
7:32 pm
Del–What are your feelings about the repeal of DADT??? I won’t ask Scout, I already know what he’ll say…….
barking frog
December 30th, 2010
7:34 pm
Del
December 30th, 2010
7:27 pm
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GW deserves credit on the war issue..just learning to
fly a fighter puts you head and shoulders above the desk
jockeys(i was one) even if i did spend a year in ice hell..
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
7:36 pm
BRUNO
Thanks for the thought, but that pack of snakes in the grass left themselves a quarter section of wiggle room…we’ll see…
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
7:37 pm
“Noticed some more Bush bashing which is not uncommon on the blog.”
I wonder if any of the Libs on board will have the decency to acknowledge that Bush has been extremely classy as an ex-Prez. Not one criticism of Obama that I know of.
popeye
December 30th, 2010
7:41 pm
Del…This guy was one of my buds through grade school and high. After high I joined the service he wanted to be a priest so continued with his education and enrolled at the U of Portland. Then he met a girl who I also knew, and fell in love and got married….So much for being a priest!
http://www.virtualwall.org/dm/MallonRJ01a.htm
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
7:41 pm
BRUNO
None that I’ve heard of. Of course, I don’t fall into the automatic, knee-jerk camp of Bush bashers, I hope…
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
7:41 pm
Alright, everyone drop a tab for this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK1k4y0EttQ&feature=related
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
7:43 pm
Bush makes a great ex-President
is that what you wanted LOL
He really doesn’t want to throw stones what with that glass house
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
7:45 pm
The best BBQ place I ever ate at, didn’t stay open long. Don’t even remember the name of it. It was a converted roadside fruit and vegetable stand. The floor was dirt, the walls were clear poly plastic sheeting, like you’d cover a window with in winter time, and the handle on the screen door (entrance), was a piece of a garden hose, tacked to the door at each end. Great BBQ but it was a might airy on a rainy winter day.
How many stars would that be Bruno?
Paulo977
December 30th, 2010
7:48 pm
Not to change the subject BUT something to think about as we head into 2011…how sad!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/30/faulluja-birth-defects-iraq
Del
December 30th, 2010
7:48 pm
Bruno, I felt that DADT particularly since it was improved earlier this year to escalate enforcement to senior officer levels is or was good legislation. I think repeal was politically motivated and rushed through without consideration of potential ramifications. One issue pertains to Article 125 in the UCMJ that prohibits sodomy and applies to every military member. It’s not enforced because military CID doesn’t follow troopers around peaking into there bedrooms, however, now it’s about open homosexuality, what does that mean and how might that open up unintended issues. Repeal of article 125 sends this issue right back to Congress. It seems to me that with the repeal of DADT, gay service men and woman will have less protection. There are several other problematic issues associated with repeal but to answer your question, I thought repeal was a bad idea.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
7:50 pm
Hillbilly
Sounds like Hawg Butt on 78 outside Carbon Hill, Alabama…good stuff!
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
7:50 pm
HD @ 7:45: We’ll give it a 5 hog rating!
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
7:53 pm
HD – I wonder what kinda rating the board of health gave it probably a 5 also LMAO
sounds like my kinda place though
Jackie
December 30th, 2010
7:53 pm
There are questions about Bush and his certification as a pilot, his attendance at the Texas 9921st and his requested transfer to the Alabama ANG.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_military_service_controversy#Acceptance_into_the_National_Guard
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
7:54 pm
Del @ 7:48–Very intelligent, informed response. I agree with you regarding the “Unintended Consequences” point. I think that will be the epitaph for the Obama Admin.
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
7:55 pm
Another overrated BBQ place IMO is the one on Hwy 575 north of Ball Ground that has the pig graveyard laid out on the hillside. Imaginative theme, lousy BBQ.
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
7:55 pm
Common Sense @ 7:53
I’ve always kinda figured that’s why it didn’t stay open long.
AmVet
December 30th, 2010
7:58 pm
popeye, thanks for sharing that.
That game earlier today in Yankee Stadium was great.
Loved all that sweet Traffic, and that Rainmaker is to me their best.
“Bush has been extremely classy as an ex-Prez.” As I said months ago, B. (And contrasted it with his VP.)
That Carlin piece was the most brutally honest of his stuff, I’ve ever seen. F the public!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0FRXXsswO0
Del
December 30th, 2010
7:58 pm
popeye, May he R.I.P. I’ve heard that those Wild Weasel pilots flew some hellish missions inside the North. On a much lighter note, Happy New Year
Southern Comfort
December 30th, 2010
8:11 pm
Not to add fuel to the fire or water on the fire as far as the Bush service record, but it doesn’t matter now. The guy’s out of office and can not serve as Commander in Chief anymore. If he was less than truthful, he’ll have to own up to it come his Judgement Day. Whether or not he served has no bearing on my salvation.
With that, I’m gonna cash my chips in for the evening. Catch y’all later!!!!!
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
8:18 pm
With that, I’m gonna cash my chips in for the evening.
Don’t forget to leave Jay his cut.
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
8:24 pm
I better head home to feed the bunny. No work tomorrow, so maybe can hang out with you guys for a while.
Bruno
December 30th, 2010
8:27 pm
Am–nice Supertramp number. Back at ya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfPT0ODaM1Q
TnGelding
December 30th, 2010
8:33 pm
Polls are for trolls, but I think this one pretty much captures the mood of the country. Better the leader of the opposition party fail than to have to admit you are wrong.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
8:48 pm
100%…I’m in…
http://projects.ajc.com/quizzes/metro/could-you-pass-military-entrance-exam/
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
8:53 pm
I missed one; does that mean I fail?
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
8:58 pm
Hillbilly
Don’t know…but was it the Buddhist one? Had to put my “test taking skills” to work on that one…
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
8:58 pm
nah, I missed ephemeral
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
9:04 pm
Got that one…one of my favorite words…could you believe that math one, though?
Del
December 30th, 2010
9:06 pm
josef and H.D. it’s too late now, but this site is a government ruse. Unknowingly you both volunteered for military service by passing the test.. The administration and congress in secret session reinstated the draft, while also removing the age cutoff. You both will be receiving your voluntary induction notices next week.
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
9:06 pm
If you mean 2 + x =4, it’d be hard to believe anybody would miss that. Even if you never took algebra, it’d still be simple.
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
9:07 pm
Del
They’ll be pissed when I get there and they see what they got.
On the bright side, I’m already a pretty decent shot.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
9:10 pm
DEL
Heh, heh!
But believe it or not, I’m still eligible in the event of a draft being reinstated in a national emergency…linguists are in that select little group who CAN be called up to, I think, 65…I need to check on that one…
Scout
December 30th, 2010
9:21 pm
What do you guys think about women being exempt from the draft (per the SCOTUS).
Equal protection under the law ?
Del
December 30th, 2010
9:22 pm
H.D. very well then…upon completion of basic training you’ll be assigned to Scout Sniper school and then immediately deployed to afghanistan. josef, upon completeion of basic training you will attend Airborne infantry school, Ranger school, Delta Force school and then be assigned as a linguist with a special operations unit serving in various combat theaters currently engaged in this countries war against terrorism. Carry on.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
9:23 pm
Just in case some of you missed this earlier:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki32TxKNga4
Scout
December 30th, 2010
9:26 pm
Headline: “NYC SNOW JOB: SLOW CLEAN-UP WAS UNION ‘PROTEST’ ”
Let’s all sing together now:
“Everybody stand up and holler for the union,
let’s give the brotherhood a cheer.
Everybody stand up and holler for the union,
We ain’t hit a lick all year.”
Del
December 30th, 2010
9:28 pm
Scout,
If I owned a dog as ugly as that little $hit maggot, I’d shave his ass and make him walk backwards.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
9:29 pm
Del:
Don’t do that ! I spit my coke all over the place.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
9:29 pm
SCOUT
As you know, I think two years national service (not necessarilly military) should be required of ALL citizens.
DEL
Luckily none of mine are languages of the areas currently in combat! But back during the Cold War and when I was a lot younger, Uncle Sam came calling on the “volunteer” basis…
Scout
December 30th, 2010
9:30 pm
Headline: “WASH POST STAFFER: Constitution Impossible to Understand Because It’s Over 100 Years Old… ”
Well, there you go.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
9:32 pm
josef:
Me thinks you evaded my question just a little.
I say again, should women be subject to the MILITARY DRAFT the same as men?
Jay
December 30th, 2010
9:33 pm
Would that be the long-form Constitution, Scout?
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
9:33 pm
SCOUT
Link on that Washington Post one…? D*mn!
DEL
Now, now, calm down! Heel, Boy!
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
9:35 pm
Scout
You didn’t say military at first…but, yes, I do.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
9:39 pm
JAY
Since you’re here…what is the house cut on bets?
eLBB
December 30th, 2010
9:40 pm
I missed them all but momma said I would be a wonderful officer
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
9:41 pm
I don’t think women should be eligible for the draft. It would create an awful mess. There’d be the question of women with children and a whole bunch of other things.
popeye
December 30th, 2010
9:42 pm
“DEL
Luckily none of mine are languages of the areas currently in combat! But back during the Cold War and when I was a lot younger, Uncle Sam came calling on the “volunteer” basis…
AND?
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
9:45 pm
SCOUT
You sure he wasn’t talking about the ATLANTA Constitution…
Hillbilly
Well, men have children, too…
Mick
December 30th, 2010
9:48 pm
scout
There’s always two sides to a story but the anti-union faction here will have none of that..
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
9:48 pm
josef
It’s true they do but I’d rather the women stayed with the young children, if the choice has to be made. No real legal basis for that; I just think that’s how it should be.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
9:50 pm
josef: Here it is ………………….
http://www.breitbart.tv/liberal-star-blogger-ezra-klein-constitution-has-no-binding-power-on-anything-confusing-because-its-over-100-years-old/
Del
December 30th, 2010
9:50 pm
Scout,
Absolutely women should take their place right along side men. Demi Moore in a Hollywood movie entitled G.I. Jane demonstrated how women could blend right into a SEAL Team with extreme effect. I’d be a little concerned , however, about the “Blood Wing” ceremony involving women. Maybe a gluteus maximus pinning utilizing whips and chains.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
9:51 pm
Jay:
Ah ……….. I see you’ve come out of your shell.
You’ll have to ask Chris Matthews and the DEMOCRATIC Governor of Hawaii about that long-form stuff.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
9:51 pm
When Nathan starts a water war with Alabama Josef will translate for the prisoners LOL
Scout
December 30th, 2010
9:53 pm
Del:
Well, I once years ago had a box of the old canned C-Rats. I showed everything to my daugher and when she saw the little packet of toilet paper she said, “is that all they give you?”.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
9:54 pm
P.S. to Del:
Plus, the leeches would have had a lot of extra places to hide now wouldn’t they ……………
Scout
December 30th, 2010
9:58 pm
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2010/12/president-and-family-multi-million-dollar-christmas-vacation-hawa
The above “costs” are only the tip of the iceberg. They are leaving so much stuff out.
All presidents make trips but when it get excessive they should be called on to justify them.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
9:58 pm
Excusse me: “gets”
Del
December 30th, 2010
9:59 pm
Scout,
With C-rat John Wayne biscuits and peanut butter you never had to worry much about toilet paper.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
9:59 pm
SCOUT
Thanks for the link….OUCH!
Hillbilly
I agree with you to a great extent…there are deferrments, etc. The Israelis could offer some models. My contention, though, is based on the idea that to reinstitute a military draft we’d have to be in a big mess and one that would require ALL our citizens to do their part…
common sense
Wonder if L’il Barry has a job for me in the private sector…?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:06 pm
From the NYC website about requirements for sanitation workers:
Under the current civil service list, each candidate must have a high school diploma, or equivalent, and a commercial driver’s license at the time of appointment. Sanitation Workers must reside within New York City, Nassau County or Westchester County.
The current starting salary of a Sanitation Worker is $31,200 per year. The current labor agreement provides for periodic increases to a maximum of $67,141 after 5 1/2 years. In addition to the basic annual wages, Sanitation Workers may also earn differential payments based on their specific assignment and overtime.
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:06 pm
scout
Who do you want to see become president? Of course all these trips are overboard but that goes with the turf, especially when it just happens to be the hardest job in the world…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:11 pm
josef nix@9:59 pm
common sense
Wonder if L’il Barry has a job for me in the private sector…?
—————————
Probably washing his investment vehicle (a 95 dodge) lol
Del
December 30th, 2010
10:12 pm
Mick,
Not always the hardest job in the world. Why Clinton found so much time on his hands he found a way to amuse himself on company time right in the Oval Office.
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
10:13 pm
josef
I think a lot could be learned from the Israelis. Their situation is different than ours though, they’re faced with their survival and we aren’t, at this point.
If there ever is a military draft again, I think the deferrments should be kept to a minimum. That’s one of the lessons of Vietnam, in my opinion. Way too many ways around it, that time.
It’s sort of related to what we are talking about, the use of contractors. I’m against that. If we’re there, it needs to be our military performing the mission. If we don’t have enough people to do the job, then we need more people. If we aren’t willing to do what it takes to get enough people, to perform whatever mission it is, then maybe we just don’t need to do it.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:13 pm
Mick – how about someone from Maryland or Delaware. That way when they go home they can drive LOL
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
10:14 pm
common
Sanitation worker IS one of the ten most dangerous jobs…
Mick
It costs a lot to protect the President of the United States…maybe we do overdo it, but this is one of those places I go for better safe than sorry…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:16 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe@10:13 pm
And along those same lines, how does that reflect on the US when the contractors cross the line?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:17 pm
josef nix
Sanitation worker IS one of the ten most dangerous jobs…
I agree. Once at an ER I saw one come in with a cracked skull where something fell off the truck
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:18 pm
del
If its not the hardest job in the world, then what is?
Del
December 30th, 2010
10:19 pm
Sanitation workers in New York. Great, now unemployed former 7 figure professionals have a place to go. Now it needs to be kept a secret or we’ll see H1B workers along with illegals grabbing those jobs up.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
10:20 pm
Hillbilly
I agree with you on both points…the military draft should be a last ditch resort…and the contractor for national defense just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me (not speaking of materiel here)…
Del
December 30th, 2010
10:23 pm
mick,
I’d have to say a combat infantryman having to serve multiple gig’s in Afghanistan. It’s among the most life threatening jobs too.
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:23 pm
You southern boys know nothing about sanitation in NYC. Over 9 million people living together, thats a lot of garbage to be moved..
Del
December 30th, 2010
10:24 pm
mick,
P.S. it doesn’t pay very much either.
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:26 pm
del
Apples and oranges. I agree infantryman is a tough slog but the mental stress of the presidency plus all your enemies foreign and domestic coming at you six ways from sunday 24/7. The stress must be humbling.
Del
December 30th, 2010
10:26 pm
Sanitation workers motto, It may be $hit to you but it’s our bread and butter.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
10:28 pm
Mick
Which is one of the reasons I live here and not there! And as far as sanitation workers are concerned, no matter where, they deserve every cent they get and then some…
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:28 pm
Sanitation removal in jersey and new york is quite an interesting racket, always has been. Many a fortune has been made unloading that shiite in most creative ways.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:30 pm
Well the cost of living in NY eats up most of that starting salary
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:30 pm
josef
Georgia is a pretty cool place to nest…but mick’s old man keeps saying go west not so young man and seek out thy fortune and fame…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:32 pm
Yep, just check out what washes up on the Jersey shore
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:33 pm
common sense
The unions up north are a tight brotherhood, they are not perfect but they insist on decent pay, good health benefits, and overtime – they should be ashamed of that?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:33 pm
Mick – did he mean Alabama? LOL
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:34 pm
They do a wonderful job in NYC. now the subway could use a spring cleaning LOL
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:35 pm
No, places like wyoming, montana or oregon. California is off the list, I don’t do earthquakes.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:36 pm
I was in NY in 2004 and down in the financial district it was very clean even with all of the tourists coming to visit the site of the towers.
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 30th, 2010
10:37 pm
And along those same lines, how does that reflect on the US when the contractors cross the line?
It reflects very poorly on us.
On sanitation workers in NYC:
I’ll be the first to admit I know little about it. I do know that sanitation workers are a lot like plumbers; get rid of them, especially in big cities, and you’d soon find disease rampant.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:38 pm
wyoming, montana? you think those iguanas got cold
Scout
December 30th, 2010
10:39 pm
Del:
I would narrow it down even more.
“2nd Ammo Humper on a Machine Gun Team”
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:40 pm
I was in DC in Jan 1999 when 12 inches of snow fell.
The mayor came on TV and told everybody that until the roads got plowed the sanitation workers would not be picking up. (they doubled as the snowplow drivers)
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
10:42 pm
Mick
Georgia has been good for us, no doubt, and I do love it. I like the west, too, especially the Pacific Northwest and there’s probably more opportunity there. Of course, I’m looking at retirement now and the tarpaper shotgun with a tin roof on the bayou sure looks good!
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:42 pm
I guess that the great thing about the US, up north unions are accepted. Down south they are reviled. Out west its 50-50. Just find a place that works for you…
Scout
December 30th, 2010
10:43 pm
Mick:
I really don’t know who right now. It’s too early.
But I would like to see a fiscal, societal, foreign policy and political conservative who believes the Constitution says what it means “and” means what it says and who will appoint likeminded judges all the way up through the ranks. Also, someone who has the “basic” moral integrity to be faithful to his/her spouse.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:46 pm
josef nix
I saw an article today that said that the Houma Indians are still afraid to eat the seafood.
I thought that was so sad that their way of life and food source has been so disrupted
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:47 pm
josef
I’m a florida boy now, been here for over forty years and there’s no where else on earth I’d rather be from now until early may. The summers are too humid and hot so my goal is to get some land out west and build a home for cash with no mortgage. Hillbilly, I’m gonna follow in your footsteps in that regard..
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:48 pm
Scout – not many of those around in either party sad to say
Scout
December 30th, 2010
10:49 pm
WOW ! What an ending to the N.C. vs. Tennessee game !
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
10:49 pm
Wyoming? Unmentionable’s solution to world peace is to plop the factions down in southern Wyoming…if they still want to fight after that…look, when the next town on the freeway sign is three digits away and the first digit is a two, you’re in the middle of nowhere! Now, there are some beautiful spots and the people, all 12 of them, are really some nice folks…Montana? Just too d*mned cold for me, but from what I hear from folks there, really is a taking off place…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:50 pm
Mick – they just sold the unabombers cabin. It would have been perfect LOL
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:50 pm
scout@10:43
So, who among our fellow americans out there fits your bill?
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:51 pm
common
Yeah, that place was a dump. If I couldn’t build something more cozy than that, I’d stop dreaming…
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
10:52 pm
Scout,
For real! I’m not even a football person and I’m pretty into that game. I finally got off my honey-dew list to sit down and watch a little.
josef,
If school doesn’t start back soon, I’m going to have to be hospitalized from exhaustion. With the fam home, i.e. the other Bosch — I’ve been working WAY too hard……I want to go back to just doing my job and blogging!!!
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:53 pm
I worked with a guy who built in Montana (inheirted lots o money). The pictures were beautiful but he came south to work most of the year. Like Mick said spend the summers there the winters in the south.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
10:54 pm
Bosch:
Never give up ! That’s one for the record books.
Haven’t seen you in awhile. Hope all is well for the new year.
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:54 pm
bosch
I don’t think I’ve ever seen you on this late…finding it increasingly harder to watch sports on tv.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
10:54 pm
Mick:
Right now?
Huckabee
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
10:55 pm
Bosch – find an empty closet till next week LOL
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
10:56 pm
Mick
You might want to check out New Mexico the area around, not IN, Albuquerque is really beautiful and the weather is pretty nice most of the time…fascinating culture, too…
Common…
A lot of people down that way are…it’s sad in so many ways…
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:57 pm
scout
I like huckabee, he would be a formidable opponent if the economy is in the dumper in 2012.
Mick
December 30th, 2010
10:59 pm
josef
New mexico is definately on the list. I will have a second home out west..
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
10:59 pm
Bosch…
I’ve had a ball blogging…work on the other screen, but can sit here jammering in my jammies and drinking coffee…I am beginning to miss the little b*ggers, though!
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
11:00 pm
fascinating culture, too…
you talking about Vegas? LOL
30 miles outside Vegas you wouldn’t even know it was there. Carved out of nothing
Scout
December 30th, 2010
11:01 pm
Mick:
I left one qualification out.
The person should be “presidential”.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
11:02 pm
P.S.
That means they should act, walk, talk, dress and behave like an American President should.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
11:05 pm
If you add brass balls then you would have Hillary LOL
Mick
December 30th, 2010
11:05 pm
scout
In my lifetime, the most “presidential” president was reagan. He really was a good man and his communication skills were great. A great deal of that job is acting, he was the best..
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
11:07 pm
Mick
Since it’s summers and second home you’re talking about…you want cool and spectacular scenery, the Nortwest can’t be beat…G-d was in a good mood when H- created that little corner of the world…
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:08 pm
“Haven’t seen you in awhile. Hope all is well for the new year.”
That would be because the fam is home and we are doing the holiday, honeydew list of all things that need to be done. I’m exhausted.
Mick,
“I don’t think I’ve ever seen you on this late”
Yeah, I’m usually a day person because I blog when alone, but I’m trying to feed my addiction. I’m just hoping the other Bosch doesn’t walk in the room, yell at me for blogging, and punishes me by making me scrub something else. Good Lord.
Common Sense,
“Bosch – find an empty closet till next week LOL”
I found about three of those earlier because I pulled all the stuff out, cleaned it, sorted it, hauled most of it to GoodWill, put stuff into categories, put up organizers, and then put all the stuff back. Right now, empty closets scare me.
josef,
I’m jealous. I wasn’t ignoring you earlier about Anderson Cooper — I find him much more interesting in the fact that he is Gloria Vanderbilt’s son than him being gay – cause you know, back in the day those girls in GV jeans certainly got my attention. Those swans act similarly to Pavlov’s dogs.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
11:08 pm
I would agree about reagan.
I didn’t agree with him about everything, but he explained where he was coming from anyway
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
11:10 pm
common
And you can get some good deals on property in Nevada these days…!
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:11 pm
I will add this before I go back to watching the game and drinking….
Americans have too much stuff.
Mick
December 30th, 2010
11:13 pm
On the flip side of that, jimmy carter was an annoying president. How could the commander of a nuclear submarine be such a disappointment? He is a great man in private life however, probably the greatest ex-president ever..
Mick
December 30th, 2010
11:14 pm
bosch
Carlin did a great routine on “stuff”, sad but very true…
Mick
December 30th, 2010
11:16 pm
bosch
got it-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
11:17 pm
We are definitely a consumer society. The problem is after we consume we put it in the closet LOL
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
11:18 pm
I think I was most annoyed with Carter about the yoyos he brought from Ga to the WH (Bert Lance LOL)
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
11:21 pm
BOSCH
Did I link you to this? Being GV’s son is interesting to me and so is his dad being from Meridian, Mississippi…why he took Katrina so “personally…”
Yeah, I think I can understand the jeans thingie…AC’s T-shirts continue a fine family tradition…
http://stupidcelebrities.net/2010/02/04/anderson-cooper-boyfriend-ben-maisani-to-adopt-child-from-haiti/
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:22 pm
Thanks Mick – I was thinking of Carlin when I wrote that. I will watch it when I’ve drank more. Good thing about Christmas, lots of my friends find the need to come by and bring bottles of booze, it keeps me stocked ’til around MLK day!
It is true, isn’t it. I think a major design flaw of the modern American home is built in closets. We just throw crap in there and forget about it — it is very sad to go through all that junk and realize how much stuff you have — but the good thing is, invariably you find something that your kids made, or a friend gave you, or in my case, something with your mom’s handwriting on it telling you to not forget something (my mom passed this summer) and it makes you smile.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
11:26 pm
Damn Bosch when was the last time you really cleaned out those closets LOL
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:27 pm
josef,
“and so is his dad being from Meridian, Mississippi…why he took Katrina so “personally…”
No, you didn’t — and no, I didn’t know his dad was from Meridian. I really hope for Cooper that people do not start dwelling on his being gay — he seems to be a great guy and being gay or straight does not matter.
Funny thing, at our annual Bosch Christmas Party, this guy got really drunk and started in on his sexual escapes and everyone was completely disgusted. It made me think about it really doesn’t matter who you screw — no one really wants to hear about it.
Okay, so yeah, I was gonna watch the game, but my addiction took over.
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:28 pm
“Damn Bosch when was the last time you really cleaned out those closets”
Last Christmas
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:31 pm
Oh Common, I should say, i live in a big 100 year old house — very few closets, many antiques with nooks and crannies full of stuff. So, I’d say every five years or so, I make the cycle of getting to all of those and the rounds of junk you’ve thrown into those crannies gets gone…damn I should have eaten something before getting into that last bottle — to think of all the cheese balls and dips still in my fridge left from the party…………….
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
11:31 pm
It made me think about it really doesn’t matter who you screw — no one really wants to hear about it.
Thats what Bill Clinton said too
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 30th, 2010
11:33 pm
If you come out of hiding now you will probably get spotted
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:35 pm
Mick,
“How could the commander of a nuclear submarine be such a disappointment? ”
he has said, many times, that he sucked as the POTUS. I’ve always thought, like Obama, he was the POTUS at the wrong time — the status of the country was so bad at the time, Jesus Christ himself would have sucked in that position.
“He is a great man in private life however, probably the greatest ex-president ever.”
Yes, he is — AND he’s an excellent Sunday School teacher. I’ve always laughed at those who judge him just being POTUS — I mean, who cares about that — to me, that never measures a man, in fact, that is kind of a strike against you. It’s all about what you do with it, and Carter has more than delivered. He has always been, and will always be, my personal hero.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
11:36 pm
BOSCH
He’s something of a hero down home for taking Katrina so personally…he still keeps going back and reporting and is about the only one who’s still keeping it before the public eye…same thing with the oil spill…
I like the way he (and Shepherd Smith and Rachel Madow) have handled the gay thing…yes? And? They’re good role models for young gay folks AND, yes, young straight folks, too…sort of the “post gay” equivalent of President Obama’s “post racial…”
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:37 pm
Common,
Oh, how I wish we’d never heard about Monica Lewinsky…and Sarah Palin.
josef nix
December 30th, 2010
11:42 pm
time to call it quits…g’night
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:43 pm
josef,
Isn’t it amazing how quick the hole was plugged in the Gulf — it completely went off the cultural radar? I was a member of a couple of advocacy groups involved in the gulf oil spill, and the day the media reported the hole was plugged — whamo — no more support.
Same with Katrina — it’s why I’ve always said that Americans are too ADD for their own good.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
11:43 pm
Bosch:
You left out a few other women who very articulately and believeably accused him of worse.
Mick
December 30th, 2010
11:43 pm
josef
Rachel maddow is the best person on tv for factual information. She should be the one on meet the press asking the important tough questions instead of david gregory.
bosch
Well at least jimmy carter had willie nelson over and he promptly fired one up on the rooftop of the white house with jimmy’s sons. At the time, ain’t that america?
Scout
December 30th, 2010
11:46 pm
Mick and Common Sense:
Agree 100% re: Reagan
P.S. I don’t think Carter ever “commanded” a submarine. He was just one of the officers.
“Naval careerCarter served on surface ships and on diesel-electric submarines in the Atlantic and Pacific fleets. As a junior officer, he completed qualification for command of a diesel-electric submarine. He applied for the US Navy’s fledgling nuclear submarine program run by then Captain Hyman G. Rickover. Rickover’s demands on his men and machines were legendary, and Carter later said that, next to his parents, Rickover had the greatest influence on him. Carter has said that he loved the Navy, and had planned to make it his career. His ultimate goal was to become Chief of Naval Operations. Carter felt the best route for promotion was with submarine duty since he felt that nuclear power would be increasingly used in submarines. Upon the death of his father James Earl Carter, Sr., in July 1953, Lieutenant Carter resigned his commission after six years of military service, and he was discharged from the Navy on October 9, 1953.[11][12]“
Bosch
December 30th, 2010
11:46 pm
Scout,
Does it really matter? Who really cares?
Mick,
Alright, my sweetheart ,Starbuck, the puppy, is needing some attention and it is NO fun when she wants to help me blog.
G’night all.
Scout
December 30th, 2010
11:49 pm
One of the biggest problems regarding President Carter was his appointments and the people he brought with him.
Normally, one has to take a huge pay cut to work in an “administration”. Basically, you are donating your time to your country for awhile.
In Carter’s case, most of the people he relied on were being paid (via their federal salary) the most they had ever made in their lives.
It just doesn’t work that way.
You don’t play in the big leagues with the Jr. Varsity.
Mick
December 30th, 2010
11:50 pm
scout
My only lament with reagan is that he flung open the doors for extreme right wing propaganda. I mean reagan actually raised taxes and saved social security, not very republican of him was it?
Scout
December 30th, 2010
11:50 pm
Bosch:
Those women care. If you have ever been a victim you should know that.
Mick
December 30th, 2010
11:54 pm
Accusations are a dime a dozen, especially if you are in positions of power.
moonbat betty
December 30th, 2010
11:58 pm
I heard this song in an elevator today and it reminded me of aforementioned CNN poll and Bosch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM7LR46zrQU
Scout
December 31st, 2010
12:01 am
TAPS !
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 31st, 2010
12:05 am
I’m kinda torn on that issue myself. on one side Monica wasn’t the one who came forward (it was Linda Trippe) but for the one in Arkansas the story didn’t get much if any play until after the election. When there seemed to be a payday involved.
on the other hand there just seems to be too many accusations for there not to have been something going on (although if I was married to Hillary I might stray also LOL). Although from then on I would wear a cast iron jockstrap.
Mick
December 31st, 2010
12:06 am
Al stewart – one album hit wonder…..roger out
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 31st, 2010
12:07 am
Mick@11:50 pm
scout
My only lament with reagan is that he flung open the doors for extreme right wing propaganda. I mean reagan actually raised taxes and saved social security, not very republican of him was it?
————–
also fired the unionized air traffic controllers and opened up the overfunded pension funds for LBO’s
moonbat betty
December 31st, 2010
12:42 am
mick, no shiite you pig you.
mick, this is something from 1980
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bWdWZLSTio
Gandalf, the Wise!
December 31st, 2010
12:56 am
happy new year!
Mick
December 31st, 2010
8:31 am
moonbat
Great floyd – happy new year…
SwamiDave
December 31st, 2010
1:10 pm
Who’d be surprised that we have a divided country when we are at the tipping point between the barely half have income tax liability and the ever-nearing majority who do not. AKA – a dividing line where one group is allowed to exist as parasites off the productivity of the other.
-SD
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 31st, 2010
6:04 pm
Quick answer – the half that seem to think that income taxes are the only taxes have assisted in ending a hell of a lot of jobs offshore either directly or indirectly thru there choice of goods/services purchased. So quit your bitchin and pay up