CNN poll finds — surprise!! — a divided country

CNN released a new poll last week with some interesting numbers. For example, pollsters asked whether it would be good or bad for the country that Republicans will control the U.S. House of Representatives: 51 percent said it will be good, 42 percent said it will be bad.

That would seem to be pretty good news for the GOP. However, CNN also asked a similar question in 2006, when Democrats took over the House. Four years ago, 67 percent said the Democratic takeover would be good for the country, and only 24 percent said it would be bad. So voters are a lot less optimistic about the impact of GOP control.

But that’s just liberal CNN, right? Well, not quite. It turns out that CNN also asked that question after the 1994 takeover of the House by Newt Gingrich and the Republicans. In that poll, 50 percent of Americans said the GOP takeover would be good for the country, while just 26 percent said it would be bad.

So it seems that House Republicans in 2011 face an unusual amount of public skepticism about their leadership.

The latest CNN poll also asked voters whether they hoped President Obama’s policies would succeed or fail. Overall, 61 percent said they hoped his policies would succeed; 27 percent admitted they hoped his policies failed. The breakdown by party affiliation was stark:

obamasucceed

Republicans are rooting against Obama’s success (27/61 percent) while the country as a whole is rooting for him by an identical margin (61/27 percent). (The breakdown by region was also interesting. The percentage hoping that Obama’s policies would work was by far lowest in the South (52 percent).)

That raises an obvious question: How do Republican hopes for an Obama failure compare to Democratic hopes for a failure by President Bush? I dug around a bit, and discovered that in August 2006, Fox News pollsters had asked that very question.

Survey says:

bushsucceed


– Jay Bookman

489 comments Add your comment

Pennsylvanian

December 30th, 2010
11:41 am

First? Polls and charts? Does this mean Palin is coming up in the rotation? Got oictures?

StJ

December 30th, 2010
11:43 am

The poll numbers are in line with the last election – people were not necessarily voting FOR Republicans, but AGAINST Democrats. Lacking a viable third choice, their only option was to vote Republican. They weren’t that happy about merely voting for the lesser of two evils.

One Nation Under educated

December 30th, 2010
11:56 am

So, roughly half the Democrats wanted Little Nero w/Cowboy Hat (therefore America) to succeed.

And roughly two thirds of Republiopaths want Obama to fail (therefore America), no matter what.

A third survey would be helpful here – a survey of terrorists. Which group do they mirror, the Democrats or the Republics? Uh-huh, well there you go…….

Scout

December 30th, 2010
12:02 pm

Jay:

As you say ……… surprise ! This is nothing new.

I have said on these threads for a couple of years that our liberal and conservative citizens have less in common politically, morally and even spiritually than our ancestors did just before the “War Between the United States of America and the Confederate States of America”.

This does not bode well for our future.

Kamchak

December 30th, 2010
12:06 pm

Got oictures?

God, I hope not.

Is there a cream or ointment that treats that?

carlosgvv

December 30th, 2010
12:07 pm

Didn’t one of our Presidents, Lincoln I think, say “a house divided against itself cannot stand”? Oh well, that was a long time ago and what did Lincoln know anyway? I’m sure our good modern Democrats and Republicans are so much smarter than him. Right?

Vinny

December 30th, 2010
12:13 pm

Jay -

The question doesn’t define success. Based on what Obama has stated, he wants to “spread the wealth” and turn us into a socialist utopia with an underclass looking to government for their every need. (Re: fundamentally change the U.S)

If that is the definition of “sucess”, then of course most reasonable Americans want him to fail

Peadawg

December 30th, 2010
12:14 pm

” Four years ago, 67 percent said the Democratic takeover would be good for the country, and only 24 percent said it would be bad.” – Ya and we all saw how it turned out 4 years later. Give the GOP a chance, Jay.

Vinny

December 30th, 2010
12:15 pm

Jay,

Furthermore, didn’t Obama state more or less that he would unite the country? That didn’t work out very well now, did it?

Kamchak

December 30th, 2010
12:20 pm

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

December 30th, 2010
12:28 pm

The difference is remarkable with 51% of Dems wanting Bush to fail and only 61% of America’s true patriots wanting Obama to fail. Remarkable because 51% of Dems wanted a man who exemplifies the American Exceptionalism in which he belived to fail while only 61% of patriots want a man who believes that America is something to be ashamed of or apologized for to fail.

These numbers, if nothing else, show the mindless, mad opposition of the committed left and the extreme good will of those on the right and in the center who hope against hope that Obama’s failed policies will turn around before the country is ruined.

Palin/Ryan 2012 – America and the Free World’s Last Best Hope

scrappy

December 30th, 2010
12:29 pm

Vinny – seems pretty hard to unite the country when Republicans want him to fail no matter what his policies are…

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
12:30 pm

I’ll just be glad when a poll offers us the option of “put ‘em all in one place and blow ‘em all the hell up.” Can’t recall now who the commedian it was who said that was his grandfather’s solution to whatever the conflict…

The GOP and Democrats alike have proven to be abject failures, but, hey, this is politics…they’re all a pack of self-serving scoundrels on sale to the highest bidder.

Sorry if I’m stealing matti’s thunder, but how can anyone take any of them seriously beyond the serious damage to social stability they are strewing in their wake

Cekker

December 30th, 2010
12:33 pm

Polls are not taken in time warp Jay. Nr in a hermetically sealed environment. Conditions change.

I would argue that more Democrats wanted Bush to succeed 4 years ago not because Democrats are less partisan but because his policies (especially economic) were muss less radically different than their own. Obama’s policies, on the other hand, are much further left of center than conservatives like.

I ncomparison to 1994, you could argue that the media policy bashing on both sides has caused shifts in the way the farthere extremes view each other. This could account for some of the dramatic poll differences from 16 years ago.

arnold

December 30th, 2010
12:35 pm

Vinny. The Senate Republican Leader has stated his aim is to defeat Obama. How can that unite anything but like mined Republicans to vote and support the failure of Obama?

Scout

December 30th, 2010
12:38 pm

scrappy:

That’s because no matter what his policies are, they are bad for the country.

Jay

December 30th, 2010
12:49 pm

Cekker, there’s a major flaw in your argument. As you state, polls aren’t taken in a time warp. And at the time of that Fox poll, by Fox’s own measurement, Bush’s job approval rating was only at 36 percent, with 56 percent disapproving.

That’s considerably lower than Obama’s meaning that the American people in general had seen Bush’s policies and rejected them. Among independents, his approval numbers were 27 percent in favor, and 60 percent opposed.

Among Republicans, Bush’s job approval was still strong — 76-17 — which makes the claims today that Bush wasn’t really a Republican pretty awkward. But the population in general had had enough. Among independents, for example, Bush’s numbers were 27-60.

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 30th, 2010
12:52 pm

The only time this country was united, for any length of time, was WWII. That we’re divided now, is pretty much the status quo. The only things that change are what we’re divided about and where the dividing line is.

To go back to yesterday’s topic, Furman Bisher once wrote in this very paper (in a sports column), that people can’t choose where they work; they can only choose where they don’t work. Furman has always been a pretty smart man.

I’m off to the real world, so y’all can throw all the vegetables you care to. :lol:

ApostasyUSA

December 30th, 2010
12:54 pm

Welcome to the Divided States of Glen Beckistan.

The Republicans strategy was to manipulate the public by paying all the media outlets to carry their “Democrats are bad” mantras far and wide. Propaganda begets cynicism and sensationalism, sensationalism sells ad space. The media loves the “opposition orientation”. What happens when two kids start fighting at a school? Everyone comes to watch it, and scream, “Fight” at the top of their lungs. This is the mentality that the MSM generally embraces.

Over and over again the media carried worthless narratives, such as “death panels” and pushed huge amounts of misinformation and angry rhetoric into the American psyche. It’s a pay to play media and Republicans, thanks to the Citizens United ruling, outspent Democrats 2 to 1 with moneys coming from secret sources. It’s the classic response of the fossilized right-wing status quo: Create a grotesquely distorted caricature, broadcast the delusion at the top of your lungs, and hope that you manage to reinforce just enough cynicism and hopelessness to ensure the election of someone who truly cares only for funneling all of the country’s wealth and power into the hands of a tiny, corrupt elite.

Republicans exploit the people who vote for them in order to give tax breaks to the richest among us, and do so by stoking anger at Liberals who, ironically enough, are usually the only types of leaders in government who have ever done good things for the majority of the people of the United States of America.

If you have Social Security, Medicare, the right to vote, the right to an education, a clean park or a lake near you. If you were given a disability check or a wheel chair ramp into the store you buy your food, if you like safe bridges, clean drinking water, clean air and a nontoxic environment, if you feel safe when you fly, or eat out, or give your child a toy, then it’s time you give Liberals the credit they deserve.

I prefer that Democrats keep using the facts, no matter how boring. With Democrats we have a government that cares. Thank you all who vote for them!

Banking reforms.
HealthCare reforms:
Nuclear arms agreements:
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act:
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act:
Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure Act:
Children’s Health Insurance Reauthor-ization Act:
Weapons System Acquisition Reform Act:
Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act:
Student loan reform:

Keep on truckin Democrats.

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
12:56 pm

Apostasy–
Wouldn’t be a party line partisan, would you? ;-)

ApostasyUSA

December 30th, 2010
1:03 pm

josef nix-

If I have to pick a side D’s usally get my votes.

I suppose you vote for no one? Awe…pat yourself on the back.

Pale Rider

December 30th, 2010
1:03 pm

“So it seems that House Republicans in 2011 face an unusual amount of public skepticism about their leadership.”

That’s because even the most obtuse voter can remember the Republicans’ arrogance and recklessness when they pretty much ran everything during the Bush years. Many of us who called ourselves Republicans were so turned off that we’ve permanently drifted away and now enjoy the view from the middle.

RB from Gwinnett

December 30th, 2010
1:05 pm

“If that is the definition of “sucess”, then of course most reasonable Americans want him to fail”

Vinny, I think most liberals will believe the poll is saying you want him to fail because he’s black. They don’t have the mental capacity to understand it’s his socialist policies you want to see fail.

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
1:09 pm

Apostasy

Don’t go getting your undies in a wad…yes, I vote, every time the polls open. Afforded a third option, I don’t vote for either the Dems or the GOP. I’m a left wing liberal, myself, so I go there on the ballot. I have never voted for a Republican and probably never will. I have voted for Democrats and probably will again.

Southern Comfort

December 30th, 2010
1:11 pm

CNN poll finds — surprise!! — a divided country

Hell, I didn’t need a poll to tell you that. :)

The current division is not the same as it was 150 years ago. At least not yet. If hyper-partisans keep stoking the fires, we may well end up in that same mindset again. The thing we need most is a media outlet that minimizes the partisanship, and relays facts. It might be boring to watch, but that’s what we need. There’s far too much opinion being passed as factual news nowadays.

Southern Comfort

December 30th, 2010
1:12 pm

his socialist policies

:roll: Oh my freaking God!! :roll:

I guess that’s part of that Reid/Pelosi/Obama agenda too. Can the Right ever campaign or discuss something without using fear as a tactic?

RB from Gwinnett

December 30th, 2010
1:14 pm

“Furthermore, didn’t Obama state more or less that he would unite the country? That didn’t work out very well now, did it?”

We were also told he would make the muslim world stop hating us by reversing Bush’s bad foreign policy. That doesn’t appear to be working out very well either. In fact, Gitmo is still open and not closing any time soon, terrorists are still blowing things up in nearly every non muslim country on the planet, and to my knowledge he hasn’t reversed a single policy in 2 years.

Yet the Jay’s of the world can’t bring themselves to fault the man for anything. In fact, it appears their strategy is to try to make everybody else look less competent than Obama with their constant bashing for any minute piece of garbage they can dig up (Palin, Newt, Deal, R’s in general, Sonny, Fox News, ad nauseum….).

I wonder if they’ll figure out a massive federal government is a bigger problem than which party is in the white house before it no longer matters.

ApostasyUSA

December 30th, 2010
1:14 pm

RB from Gwinnett

“socialist policies”

Socialist? What in carnation are you talking about?

Let’s see…Social Security….man that sounds allot like socialism. Medicare……more socialism. Republicans want to shut down Social Security and Medicare? Allot of our elderly population require these systems to survive. That’s not going to happen.

What Obama policies were socialist?

Oh…Or are you just another right-wing loon trapped in your loathing perpetuated by right-wing propagandists who are paid by foreigners to spread their misinformation?

One Nation Under educated

December 30th, 2010
1:15 pm

The division in this country is a psychological one – inconsolable and permanent.

It is between two groups who are psychologically different, and incompatible – the Empathetic and the Sociopathic. Depending on which of these groups you are in, it affects every decision we make as a society, from politics to education, from top to bottom. Pretty much every first world civilized nation on this planet has adopted a psychology of “the good of the many outweigh the good of a few”, or “it really does take a village” or “we as a nation are no better than the least of us” or for the fake Christians “Am I my brother’s keeper” Jeebus said why, yes, you are.

The only 3 major countries presently pursuing the other psychology, the short term, “I’m in it for meeee”, “I got mine, you’re on your own”, “pick yourself up by your bootstraps”, “hey, it’ll trickle down, trust me”, “we dont need no stinkin regulation” social Darwinism are – Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and the U.S. Wow, what company….

We cannot go forward until one side wins this war for the psyche of our nation. We can be a new America, or descend into 1930’s Germany. We can be the Do-do bird – or the eagle (even the eagle required gubmint assistance to not go extinct). Lets get it on, already.

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
1:17 pm

SoCo
Yes, Obama is a socialist and George Bush is a fascist…my G-d, man, I keep tellin’ ya, you gotta read the memos…

RB from Gwinnett

December 30th, 2010
1:22 pm

“Can the Right ever campaign or discuss something without using fear as a tactic?”

Do you seriously think the dems aren’t doing the exact same thing with their starve children, throw old people out on the streets, class warfare routine? Are you really that partisan you can’t see the obvious in front of your face?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 30th, 2010
1:25 pm

Good afternoon. Dear Jay, with all due respect, I think you made an error in your analysis, “Republicans are rooting against Obama’s success (27/61 percent) ” I think you actually quoted the numbers for those Republicans who are rooting against his policies. By personalizing the debate, you debase the poll’s actual findings. Most of us of the hated right would prefer that our president abandon the hopelessly leftist policies of his first two years, and embrace the truth and uprightness of conservatism, and thus succeed personally.

Southern Comfort

December 30th, 2010
1:27 pm

Are you really that partisan you can’t see the obvious in front of your face?

I said nothing about the Left. However, if the Right want’s me to vote for them or embrace their agenda, show me facts without all the fear. It’s the same for the Left. I’ll embrace their agenda when I see facts without the fear.

My problem is that the Right uses fear almost exclusively. You don’t see many campaign ads for Conservatives without demonizing someone or something. The Left also uses that tactic, but not to the extent that I see it from the right. If I was paid a quarter for each time I heard Obama/Pelosi/Reid agenda or any combination of the three during the previous election cycle, I could pay the Mega Millions Jackpot from my own pocket.

RB from Gwinnett

December 30th, 2010
1:31 pm

What do you consider Obama care Apo if it’s not a government takeover of the healthcare system?

The problem with people like you is you think somebody is going to one day wake up and say, “today we’re going to operate as a socialist nation”. It doesn’t happen that way. Europe didn’t get to be the failed socialist economies they are over night. What it takes is morons like you allowing it to happen a nibble at at time until one day we wake up and the same government big enough to give us everything is also big enough to take it all from us.

Some of us are students of history enough to see the writing on the wall and know what is happening here is not just wrong, it’s dangerous. People in Europe don’t live in 800 sq ft boxes with no car because they want to, they do it because they have to. If you want to live that way, go to Europe and live there, but don’t drag us in the gutter becuase you want evil rich people to pay for your healthcare.

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
1:31 pm

RB

“Do you seriously think the dems aren’t doing the exact same thing with their starve children, throw old people out on the streets, class warfare routine? Are you really that partisan you can’t see the obvious in front of your face?”

You know you and I are frequently polar opposites in most of our views, opinions and how we state them. but the point you make here is well made…both “sides” are in the fear factor game and it’s the motivating factor on both sides…neither would admit that they’re doing it if their lives depended on it, and truth be told, in my opionion, their political lives ARE depending on it.

Cekker

December 30th, 2010
1:38 pm

Good arguments Jay but…

Conservatives want Obama to fail because of his policies. They dislike the direction that his policies are leading the country. His policies have made him very divisive. The policies have divided the country…not the man.

jt

December 30th, 2010
1:40 pm

Take your pick of misery.

On the State/Corpo-sponsered battlefield or State/Corpo-sponsered Workcamp.

R and D voters are severe Anosognosics.

(except Ron Paul of course).

Normal

December 30th, 2010
1:41 pm

Soothsayer

December 30th, 2010
1:42 pm

EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT! REPUBLICANS WANT OBAMA TO FAIL! EXTRA! EXTRA!

Scout

December 30th, 2010
1:44 pm

Hillbilly:

Regarding WWII, a couple of things to keep in mind re: unity ………..

1) Not all Americans were united in that war espcially some of German heritage.
2) There were “unions” that even went on strike for higher wages while their countrymen were receiving pretty low pay fighting overseas.
3) The draft rate was 66+%. A lot of guys didn’t want to be drafted for the duration of anything.

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
1:44 pm

jt

Anosognosics! Yeah, that’s it… :-)

Tommy Maddox

December 30th, 2010
1:44 pm

As for percentages as to how America feels about politics at the moment, I’ll rely for the time being on the election returns from a few weeks ago.

BADA BING

December 30th, 2010
1:45 pm

Yes, this country is as divided now as we were during the Civil? War, And, to think, we don’t even have slavery to blame it on.

ApostasyUSA

December 30th, 2010
1:45 pm

RB from Gwinnett

“What do you consider Obama care Apo if it’s not a government takeover of the healthcare system?”

Here’s what I know of the recent Health Care reforms:

Insurance companies are barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick, ending the practice of rescission. Lifetime coverage limits eliminated and annual limits restricted.
Young adults able to stay on their parents’ health plans until age 26. Many health plans previously dropped dependents from coverage when they turned 19 or finished college.
Uninsured adults with pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
Insurance companies cannot deny group or new (non-grandfathered) individual coverage to children under age 19 due to a pre-existing condition.[43]
A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
Medicare drug plan beneficiaries who fall into the Medicare Part D coverage gap (the so-called “doughnut hole”) will get a $250 rebate. The new law eventually closes that gap completely. (The old law required the sick person to pay 100% of their own annual medicine costs after $2,700 was spent in the coverage year and did not start again until after $6,154 was spent).
A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
A 10% tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.

What are your problems with Social Security or Mediacare? Are they not Socialism? Are you aiming to repeal those laws too?

jt

December 30th, 2010
1:46 pm

josef nix

Thank you.

I’m already driving my wife crazy with that word.

BADA BING

December 30th, 2010
1:48 pm

TH…….WHAT DAY IS IT?

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
1:50 pm

BADA

You better be careful with that possum…you liable to wake up Ursus Major.. :-)

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 30th, 2010
1:51 pm

Who gives a damn. The Idiot Messiah/Democrat spendfest is over, and that’s the most important thing.

Scout

December 30th, 2010
1:51 pm

Yes …….. divided ………. and here is just another example:

I guess he was just a little ahead of schedule.

“You in the Army now,
You’re not behind the plow,
You’ll never get rich,
By digging a ditch,
You’re in the Army now!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJdQkMIYL1Y

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
1:53 pm

Hot d*mn, there’s L’il Barry…now we can REALLY get rollin’ Got that budget worked out, yet, Pombo?

Soothsayer

December 30th, 2010
1:54 pm

WASHINGTON, D.C.—December 30, 2013 Defense Department in Panic as Funding Dries Up

With filibuster-proof majorities in both houses of Congress, Republicans were able to finally pass into law the long-awaited FairTax. President Palin signed the bill into to law shortly after her inauguration.

Unfortunately, as predicted by opponents, goverernment revenues have fallen dramatically under the FairTax causing a panic in many government departments and agencies–especially the Defense Department. The shortage is so acute that no amount of money-printing can even come close to the shortfall.

Citing avoidance and black markets as reasons for the dramatic in expected revenues, Republicans Congressmen stated, “it looked good on paper.” “Our task now is one of rooting out black markets and avoidance schemes.”

Stocks of Defense Department contractors such as Lockheed, Boeing, General Dynamics, and Halliburton are in free-fall. “Unless something is done and done fast, we’re bankrupt!” the President of General Dynamics said.

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 30th, 2010
1:56 pm

Apo, here’s some more of what Obamacare is, and why it is a de facto government takeover of health care (from a letter to the editor in today’s WSJ–should you spot some factual error, feel free to point it out):
———————-
Government defines what health insurance is. Government defines what “minimum essential coverage” is. Government forces everyone to buy one of four varieties of overpriced, low-value health insurance. Government expands government-run Medicaid by 16 million people and plans to issue government checks to buy government-approved health insurance.

Congress establishes 159 government agencies to run the new health-care system. The government grants new powers to the Secretary of Health and Human Services, who will “deem,” “create,” “define,” “determine,” “approve,” “disapprove” and otherwise dictate everything about health care in America. The government takes away the power of individuals to appeal bad decisions by the secretary to the courts. The government assigns Medicare patients to doctors they have never met. The government penalizes doctors who don’t save money for government and insurance companies or follow cookbook medicine guidelines while expanding rationing powers of government and the insurance companies that it now effectively controls.

The government encourages the creation of massive new “Accountable Care Organizations” and suggests that doctors join them so they can help the government and insurance companies ration care to patients.

BADA BING

December 30th, 2010
1:58 pm

josef….just curious. I have heard you talk of your heritage, I cannot guess how you pronounce your name. Strong accent on the last syllable? Were you named after someone?

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
1:59 pm

Scout
@ 1:51

:-)

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 30th, 2010
1:59 pm

Sorry josef, I have zero experience putting together a household budget. My main problem is figuring out which investment vehicle to roll my monthly savings into.

retiredds

December 30th, 2010
2:00 pm

To say that you want a President to fail is ludicrous verging on stupidity. Whether the Pres is Republican or Democrat, if he (or soon someday) or she fails, we all lose. Under Bush and company the big failure was economic and we see where that led us (anybody remember September 2008 – the spring of 2009 when the economy was tanking). If anyone wished for that, he or she is a fool. So I repeat, if the President fails, we all lose.

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 30th, 2010
2:01 pm

Would you have wanted Mussolini to fail?

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 30th, 2010
2:01 pm

When Obama fails, Americans win.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 30th, 2010
2:03 pm

josef nix@1:17 pm

SoCo
Yes, Obama is a socialist and George Bush is a fascist…my G-d, man, I keep tellin’ ya, you gotta read the memos…
——————-

Memo? What MEMO? I’m not on the e-mail list? Did I get downsized again? LOL

DAMMIT

You got to remember about the polls concerning Newt and company. FOX wasn’t telling the regressives how to think back then so the numbers may be slightly off.

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 30th, 2010
2:04 pm

Your Idiot Messiah wants to fundamentally transform America into a European-style socialist state, and redistribute income from those who earned it to the parasite class (aka “the Democrat base”) and union thugs.

I hope he fails.

If you hope he succeeds, then you’re an American in name only.

Scout

December 30th, 2010
2:06 pm

To My Devil Dog Buddies Out There (and josef) :

DO NOT (Repeat DO NOT) open the below classified document UNLESS you have a USMC Bravo Sierra clearance.

“Eyes Only/Copies Prohibited”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki32TxKNga4

Top Secret Classification Number 4-F

Southern Comfort

December 30th, 2010
2:06 pm

When Obama fails, Americans win

:roll:

Abrazos

December 30th, 2010
2:06 pm

“Sorry josef, I have zero experience putting together a household budget. My main problem is figuring out which investment vehicle to roll my monthly savings into.”

Better do it quick, LBB. It’s year-end and your busboy shift starts in 3 hours, doesn’t it?

Del

December 30th, 2010
2:07 pm

“So it seems that House Republicans in 2011 face an unusual amount of public skepticism about their leadership.”

Yes Jay that was reflected in last months mid-terms. It truly was telling how confident the public was in Democrats versus how skeptical they were about Republican leadership. If things at some point don’t work out for you at the AJC, I’m certain you could find employment as a DNC spin master. I recall a Parris Island Drill Instructor who you used to say that you can wish in one hand and defecate in the other but when you rub your hands together and take a look, you’ll see what you have all over your wishes.

Southern Comfort

December 30th, 2010
2:11 pm

Yes Jay that was reflected in last months mid-terms.

I’m willing to wager that if there were a viable 3rd party in the last election, Dems and Repubs both would have suffered massive losses. Don’t lull yourself into thinking that every vote cast for a GOP candidate was an expressed backing of the GOP as a whole. Many votes were simply votes against the Democratic candidate. If there’s only two people to vote for, that kinda narrows down the choices.

BADA BING

December 30th, 2010
2:13 pm

Scout….is Bravo Sierrra code for BS? I get it…haha. HAPPY NEW YEAR

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 30th, 2010
2:15 pm

josef nix@1:53 pm

Hot d*mn, there’s L’il Barry…now we can REALLY get rollin’ Got that budget worked out, yet, Pombo?
——————————-

Hint Barry, go back a while where I worked out a budget for maximum unemployment. That will get you started.

Josef

He still hasn’t answered the question about how buying and selling stocks helps the companies creates jobs.

Or acknowledged that Bush Sr. did not serve as long in the military as Jimmy Carter

Del

December 30th, 2010
2:15 pm

“Many votes were simply votes against the Democratic candidate.” Now I believe that’s an accurate statement.

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
2:15 pm

BADA

The name? It and the spelling go way, way back in my family. It came via the Dutch-Sephardic line and was originally pronounced with a “Y” sound, but the Ladino was more a “zh”–like French. The pronunciation has been anglicized for generations and it’s pronounced today the same as Joseph. Granddaddy said I was given the name as a warning…I have eight older siblings and he figured I needed to be reminded every time I heard my name that they’d throw me down the well and sell me to Egypt in a heartbeat!

ApostasyUSA

December 30th, 2010
2:16 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout

When are you going to bring freedom back to America?

How about Social Security and Medicare? When do we repeal those laws?

I think it’s funny that you post a opinion written by a neo-con to a Republican publication as “facts”, but I expect nothing more out of most Americans.

How’s that despair-y stagnation for you nation?

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
2:20 pm

Barry

Too bad…I have experience in both, and believe me, the household one takes considerably more time, effort, energy, planning, and creativity! So, who does do your household budget? Good help is hard to find…

Soothsayer

December 30th, 2010
2:20 pm

Del

December 30th, 2010
2:20 pm

Scout,

Teufel Hunden and Happy New Year!

HDB

December 30th, 2010
2:21 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout
December 30th, 2010
2:01 pm

When Bush FAILED, America LOST!!

Remember: We had the world’s respect and empathy immediately after 9/11…and Bush LOST that because of the Iraq/Afghanistan conflict….rather than going after al Quida!! Note how FAST Bush lost the world’s respect!! Obama is attempting to regain that…but it takes a LOT to correct the errors of the predecessors!!

Never should you want the President to fail…for when he does, as Americans, WE ALL LOSE!!!

Scout

December 30th, 2010
2:25 pm

Del/BADA BING:

Oooo Wah ! (yes …………… wah!)

Southern Comfort

December 30th, 2010
2:26 pm

“Many votes were simply votes against the Democratic candidate.” Now I believe that’s an accurate statement.

It truly was telling how confident the public was in Democrats versus how skeptical they were about Republican leadership.

It would be best to remember that a GOP vote was not an explicit endorsement of Republican leadership too. Overconfidence will simply cause the pendulum to swing wildly to the Left in 2012.

midtownguy

December 30th, 2010
2:26 pm

I want Rachel Maddow to have a baby by Barney Frank, abolish congress, then crown the baby King. That would solve everything. Those who do not like the new form of government can go back to whatever country their ancestors originally came from. No more divided country. I guess you would call me a liberal.

Scout

December 30th, 2010
2:27 pm

Headline: “Quarter of Georgians fail Army Entry Test”

Del ………….

What did they do during Nam? Most guys wouild have just “failed” the test so they wouldn’t be drafted. They must have just taken them anyway?

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
2:27 pm

Scout
@ 2:06

:-) We’re going to get a shot of that tattoo of the pink flamingo in camouflage tutu yet, eh?

Soothsayer

December 30th, 2010
2:28 pm

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 30th, 2010
2:29 pm

Is the Republican plan to pass on all programs to the states?

If yes how will the states pay for these programs (remember GA doesn’t have the money either)?

Will the state pass it on to the county and the counties to the cities?

So at the very bottom YOU will be paying for your own personal police/fire protection (rent a cop/fireman)
and all children will be home schooled.

Except LBB’s he doesn’t like questions

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
2:29 pm

midtown

Rachel Maddow and Barney Frank? G-d forbid…now Rachel Maddow and Anderson Cooper?

Matti

December 30th, 2010
2:30 pm

Division is an essential paving stone on the road to Plutocracy. The commoners are distracted with petty squabbling amongst ourselves while the folks who control the money implement the architecture of 21st-century corporate feudalism. In the end, it makes no real difference to the masses whether there’s a mosque or a synagogue on the corner, whether middle schoolers receive birth control without parental permission, or if two men can validate their long-term commitment with the same legal document as a het couple. Let us fight about prayer in schools, whether to give drivers’ tests in Spanish, and how much taxpayer-funded food or medicine a child born to an impoverished, unmarried mother should actually receive. Let us spit upon each other while hashing out what it means to be a “real American.” The money masters don’t care; so long as we’re busy hating each other, we remain oblivious to their actions, their holdings, their carefully-laid plans, and of course, their names.

Donovan

December 30th, 2010
2:31 pm

Gee, let’s see…CNN does a poll. CNN is a liberal news organization that has fallen by the way side due to its obvious political bent. And we are to believe anything that Jay and CNN puts in front of us?

midtownguy

December 30th, 2010
2:31 pm

That child wold be too pretty to be King, josef.

Scout

December 30th, 2010
2:31 pm

josef:

I’m working on just the right “tint” !

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
2:32 pm

common

“Except LBB’s he doesn’t like questions”

Then why is he so questionable? Hunh? Tell me that, Wiseguy Librul Crackpot…!

midtownguy

December 30th, 2010
2:34 pm

Scout: And those are just those who fail the academic test. You throw in the numbers who are not healthy enough (obesity, diabetes, etc.) we have very few 18-21 year olds fit to serve in the military. I tried to google and check my numbers, but I read somewhere only around 40% of the 19 year-olds in this country are healthy enough for military service.

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
2:34 pm

midtown

And too “butch” to be queen! :-)

Scout
A nice dusty rose?

BADA BING

December 30th, 2010
2:35 pm

josef….I was named aftet the British actor Reginal Gardner, but when I was young, everyone just assumed it was Reginald . I got so tired of correcting everyone, that I just gave up and added the ‘D’. That is the way I have always signed my name legally, altho it is Reginal on my birth certificate.By the way, I got tired of hearing people ask if I was related to Reggie Jackson when he was playing. I would say …. No, that would require that we have the same LAST name, now wouldn’t it?

Del

December 30th, 2010
2:35 pm

“pendulum to swing wildly to the left.

I’m just a voter, so that’s advise best passed on to the candidates. That Senior Drill Instructor did have a good point though.

BADA BING

December 30th, 2010
2:38 pm

josef/Scout…..what color boa would go with fatiques? And don’t say ecru!

atltrafficqueen

December 30th, 2010
2:42 pm

I am still laughing out loud at Kamchak’s first comment – oictures! Ha ha!

Southern Comfort

December 30th, 2010
2:42 pm

His (SDI) point was a great point. I try to pass that advice about the congressional leadership to my representatives every chance I get. I wish more would do so.

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
2:42 pm

BADA
I gave up on the pronunciation task years ago, too…usually I just answer to anything coming near…it is a good way to screen callers though!

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 30th, 2010
2:47 pm

Matti@2:30 pm

So I take that to mean work isn’t going well today?

I don’t need to be Clare Voiyant to see that LOL

Jack

December 30th, 2010
2:47 pm

“stay calm and carry on” I’m hoping that the majority of us in the middle will see through all the spin and give Obama the same chance that bush had to turn this ship of state around. I’m optimistic about the future for my daughters if we can remain a progressive and pragmatic people. Too much noise has been bad for (including too many polls). Peace

josef nix

December 30th, 2010
2:50 pm

Bada

Boa? Are you channeling DDR? Ask her, she knows!

Matti–
Good to see I didn’t steal ALL your thunder earlier on the thread…

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 30th, 2010
2:50 pm

josef nix@2:32 pm

Then why is he so questionable? Hunh? Tell me that, Wiseguy Librul Crackpot…!
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Only his ancestry is questionable LMAO

JohnnyReb

December 30th, 2010
2:50 pm

Here’s an example of why we have a divided country.

San Franciso has announced completion of free WiFi in all their public housing. A great benefit for those who can’t afford to pay for it. However, San Francisco, although not mentioned by name, is within a group of cities/states with the situation described in this 60 Minutes piece. Before you blow this off, state bailouts is the next big financial crisis. Those on the Left will want to bail them out. Those on the Right will be screaming NO.

http://www.ntu.org/governmentbytes/the-states-day-of.html