Gingrich, Palin have no shot at being GOP presidential nominee
She can kiss dreams of the White House goodbye.
Bill Kristol, the Fox News analyst and Weekly Standard editor, made a couple of predictions on Fox News Sunday about the GOP presidential race:
“Can I go out on a limb, since everyone else is scared to say — actually make any predictions. I predict Palin will not run. I have no knowledge at all; I just have the hunch that she ultimately will not run.
I think Newt Gingrich is underestimated. Newt is going to run and Newt will be formidable. People can talk about the baggage, but lots of candidates have had lots of baggage, and people think they’re the right guy for the job, he could do better — and I do think — than people expect.”
Kristol has been an advocate for Palin in the past, so his prediction about her candidacy is interesting in that light. I also think he’s correct. Palin has peaked politically, and will be taken less and less seriously from here on out. A year from now, she’ll be considered little more than a curiosity. Public Policy Polling — admittedly, a Democratic-leaning polling firm — says that even in Alaska, her popularity has plummeted. Only 33 percent of her home-state voters now see her favorably, while 58 percent have an unfavorable impression of their former half-term governor. Among Alaska independents, 65 percent rate her unfavorably, and only 25 percent have a favorable opinion. In fact, of the 10 states surveyed by PPP, only Massachusetts gave Palin a lower favorability rating than Alaska.
Been there, done that, next joke please.
Sorry, no nomination for you, either.
On Gingrich, however, I think Kristol’s dead wrong. Like Kristol, I now believe that Gingrich will probably run, and his glib tongue will ensure he gets media coverage. But in general, people don’t like Newt and people don’t trust him, and people want to like and trust their president. And in Newt’s case, the more exposure he gets on the campaign trail, the less he’ll be liked and trusted. He is not a person who wears well over time.
I wouldn’t care to guess at this point who the GOP nominee will be. It just won’t be either of these two, and for that fact the country and the Republican Party ought to be thankful.
– Jay Bookman
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josef nix
December 28th, 2010
2:29 pm
Oh, boy! Palin…all we need now is a graph and we’ll know the Bruin’s back from hibernating for real!
Normal
December 28th, 2010
2:30 pm
OMG, I just had a terrible thought Newt and Sarah 2012….EEEWWWWWW
Normal
December 28th, 2010
2:31 pm
Josef ,
down below, about being warm…
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
2:32 pm
DANG…there IS a chart! Hit that link and scroll…HE’S BACK for real…
Left wing management
December 28th, 2010
2:38 pm
Newt Gingrich: “He is not a person who wears well over time.”
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is your insult of the day. Ouch.
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
2:38 pm
Talk about recipe for disaster. That would be it
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
2:39 pm
“A year from now she’ll be considered little more than a curiosity…”
I thought she already was. But I’ll wager a year from now Jay and company will still be rolling her around like a metaphoric booger on thumb and forfinger…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
2:41 pm
And after all Bill C did to lower the morals in the Oval Office along comes Newt
TGT
December 28th, 2010
2:41 pm
At this point I agree. Neither Palin or Gingrich is the complete package for most conservatives/repunlicans. Remember Senator Coburn on Gingrich: “He’s the last person I’d vote for president of the United states,” Coburn said at a weekend event in his home state of Oklahoma, according to the Tulsa World. “His life indicates he does not have a commitment to the character traits necessary to be a great president.”
TGT
December 28th, 2010
2:43 pm
Excuse me: conservatives/republicans.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
2:45 pm
The only time I ever hear anything about Sarah Palin is when Bookman/Tucker bash her in print. Which happens daily. Conservatives aren’t nearly as fascinated with her as the liberal media seems to be. Just sayin’…………………..
Tom Middleton
December 28th, 2010
2:45 pm
Gonna miss her Neocon one-liners, Jay, but I’m sure the Republicans will come up with someone willing to champion taking us backwards. Maybe this is why Kristol is optimistic about Newt, because they almost always do!
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
2:46 pm
Newt does have what it takes to be republic candidate. Liar cheater criminal and the list goes on
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
2:48 pm
“Newt does have what it takes to be republic candidate. Liar cheater criminal and the list goes on”
You mean he got impeached and disbarred after carrying on a sexual affair with a big-haired fat chick in the oval office?
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
2:48 pm
Right now it looks like Huckabee is leading the pack.
Still a little far out to make any predictions though.
I even read where John Bolton is a consideration.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
2:49 pm
Just curious Dudley, what criminal conviction does Newt have on his record?
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
2:49 pm
“Newt does have what it takes to be republic candidate. Liar cheater criminal and the list goes on”
A bit of the Freudian slip, there…but, yeah, that’s about what our republic can expect…whichever party…
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
2:50 pm
My bad, I was being unfair to Dudley…I forgot the Rules of Liberal Debate #1, to wit…facts are irrelevant.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 28th, 2010
2:51 pm
Well, I guess they’re going to hold it against old Newt just because of some bad timing in serving divorce papers on his wife. He probly didn’t even know she was in the hospitle with cancer. Anyhow, he didn’t have cancer, so I guess he was just being normal by wanting a new woman.
Or maybe it’s because old Newt was doing the same thing Clinton was doing while Newt was blasting Clinton for being immoral.
Picky, picky, picky. The libruls will do just about anything to keep us from having a godly Conservative in the White House.
Anyways, I think Sarah would be a good VP—even if she later decided to quit in the middle of her term. There’s no law against it.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
2:52 pm
I’m not a fan of Newt nor Palin, but Palin’s intellect is at least equal to Obama’s, and Newt’s is superior by a factor of at least 10.
Southern Comfort
December 28th, 2010
2:52 pm
They both should run. Let the people decide. They could do it like wrestling. Whomever is defeated in the primaries should retire from public life completely…
arnold
December 28th, 2010
2:52 pm
I agree with Jay on Newt. There is no telling what will happen with Palin. I am just glad, from what I’ve seen, that McCain and Palin didn’t end up in the White House. That would have been a horror story. Two nut cases that rant and rave over anything.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
2:53 pm
Redneck…just change out “Newt” for “John Edwards” in your ignorant rant above, and see how it reads…
Paul
December 28th, 2010
2:53 pm
“Gingrich, Palin have no shot at being GOP presidential nominee”
Thank heavens.
Reps need someone who can speak in other than sound bites and talking points.
But they might just lose half the electorate that way -
Cekker
December 28th, 2010
2:54 pm
It’s always so droll when liberal bloggers talk about the shortcomings of potential conservative candidates.
That being said, Jay, I think Kristol has it right. Gingrich will probably do very well amongst a certain subset of conservatives; those longing for the heady days of the 90’s.
Amongst moderates and independents…not so much.
As for Palin…I’m yawning already. The ‘Aw Shucks’ routine is so tired.
Southern Comfort
December 28th, 2010
2:54 pm
You mean he got impeached and disbarred after carrying on a sexual affair with a big-haired fat chick in the oval office?
Nah, kicking your wife to the curb while she’s fighting Cancer is much, much worse than getting jawbone in the White House.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
2:55 pm
SC..see above regarding John Edwards, and get back to us.
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
2:55 pm
Last night while flipping back and forth between the NHL action and the Independence Bowl (Go Air Force!) I stumbled across Faux News, and in that instant the imbecile Billy O’Loofah was asking Sister Sarah, “Is it possible for a liberal woman to be a mama grizzly?”
I shiite you not.
This is what passes for intellectual neo-con conversation???
To her credit, Sarah looked rather sheepish, likely thinking, Jeezoo, what an idiot this guy is…
As for Newt, he is a despicable man and loutish politician. Doing what few could ever do in Washington. Dramatically lowering the bar when it came to basic human decency and civility.
In other words, the perfect Republican candidate…
kitty
December 28th, 2010
2:56 pm
Good, hopefully she will go sit on her front porch and watch the Russians for us. Everywhere I turn there she is and I am thoroughly sick of her.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
2:56 pm
“Reps need someone who can speak in other than sound bites and talking points.”
…and Dems need someone who isn’t teleprompter-dependent.
stands for decibels
December 28th, 2010
2:56 pm
But in general, people don’t like Newt and people don’t trust him, and people want to like and trust their president.
Setting aside all the fairly obvious stuff that people don’t personally like about Newt (let’s see—physically unattractive? check. Serial adulterer? check. Bombastic and nasty-tempered? check…), where does he get off thinking that the path to the Presidency is via the House? when was the last time anyone was elected President after his highest stint as an elected official was the House? Heck, when was the last time a major political party even nominated such a person to run for President?
All of the stuff you heard lobbed at Obama as “lacking executive experience” would go double for Newt—and if you’re going to cite his tenure as Speaker, you really want to go there?
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
2:57 pm
John Edwards is running for president?
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
2:57 pm
Newt?
Oh please! Oh please! Oh please!
He’ll be as easy to pick off as the demi-term governor.
That said, I am curious about who the GOP will put on the sacrificial
altar come 2012.
Their bench is still so very light.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
2:58 pm
Neil Bush for president
Doggone/GA
December 28th, 2010
2:58 pm
Well, there’s always Herman Cain – whoever he is:
http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/herman-cain-running-for-789507.html
Southern Comfort
December 28th, 2010
2:59 pm
Harry
No comparison. Edwards is not running for president. As far as I know, he did not serve Elizabeth with divorce papers while she was in the hospital either. Both men are wrong as hell for cheating on their spouses, but what Newt did is completely fu*ked up. No way around it.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
2:59 pm
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
2:57 pm
“John Edwards is running for president?”
No.
Another episode of one-word answers to stupid questions.
Del
December 28th, 2010
2:59 pm
I don’t think Palin will run and I don’t think Gingrich has much chance to secure the Republican nomination. I read where Herman Cain is considering a run, however, it’s far too early to make predictions as who will get the nomination.
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
2:59 pm
Course the bench lost some serious poundage with the loss of Haley Barbour recently…..
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
3:00 pm
Hey, I’m counting on the GOP to run Brown…he ain’t hidin’ nuthin…
Harry…
Gingrich an intellectual…? Gevalt, man…he’s not even mediocre…
F. Sinkwich
December 28th, 2010
3:00 pm
Bill Kristol is just another DC elitist looking to improve his B-list standing on the Washington social circuit. He knows bashing conservatives while claiming to be one is a sure-fired way to obtain the coveted Sally Quinn cocktail party invitee status like David Brooks and David Gergen.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:00 pm
SC…John Edwards was a Democratic candidate for Presidential nominee in 2004 and 2008, just as Newt is speculated to be.
paleo-neo-Carlinist aka Joe the Plutocrat
December 28th, 2010
3:01 pm
Palin is, as noted on a CT blog last month, at best a stalking horse with the soul purpose of distracting and exhausting Obama, which is why I question the left’s obsession with her. she is a cheerleader and a fundraiser (Rush, with smaller t*ts, but nicer legs). and this role suits her vanity and narcissism without having to master all the “dumb stuff” (critical thinking, grasp of American/World history, intellectual curiosity, familiarity with the Constitution/law, etc.) required if one hopes to succeed in any leadership role. Newt? has been gas bag. kid who thinks he is smarter than most.
horse
December 28th, 2010
3:01 pm
I do agree that neither Palin nor Gingrich have a chance, and that Palin will likely not run. Barbour only has the white nationalist vote now, and since that is 25% of the South, Gingrich can’t compete. I suspect that it will be Huckleberry in much of the South, but Pence will probably get the nod.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:02 pm
“He’ll be as easy to pick off as the demi-term governor.”
GG…that’s what you libbies said about Bush in 2000 and 2004. How did that turn out?
Matti
December 28th, 2010
3:02 pm
Palin is a smart woman. She feathers her own nest, and does what’s best for her own bank account. So what if she pretended to want to be a public servant? At least she did the honorable thing and quit — after blaming the media for criticizing public servants to the point where they can’t effectively do their jobs, to join the media and criticize public servants…. Her book sold a few copies, her appearances still sell, people watch her silly TV show, and her endorsement will be highly sought (and PAID for!) by somebody in 2012.
We have to look out for number one, you know. Whatever it takes, including exercising daily hypocrisy, spreading hate, and stabbing our own ideals in the neck with the sharpest knife we have until they stop kicking. I should have been so smart. (Okay, found the knife. Now, where are those silly ideals hiding?)
Southern Comfort
December 28th, 2010
3:03 pm
Harry
Past tense…. WAS a candidate. If I’m correct, Elizabeth served papers to John too. They are not the same. Keep trying, but Newt is lower than ant testicles for what he did. If it was my sister or mother he did that to, he would have learned not to do that again…
paleo-neo-Carlinist aka Joe the Plutocrat
December 28th, 2010
3:04 pm
SOLE purpose (or was it sole porpoise – like Flipper?)
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:04 pm
Matti accuses Palin of “spreading hate”, but, like most liberals, fails to grasp the supreme irony inherent in her rant…
Matti
December 28th, 2010
3:05 pm
Harry Callahan,
I love you, man. Have a blessed holiday season.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:06 pm
SC…no discernable difference between Newt’s behavior and that of Edwards, but thanks for the internet bully-speak anyways…
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
3:06 pm
Horse
Where do you get that 25% figure. Cite please.
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
3:06 pm
Harry
First please show us where we did what you are claiming….
Next we nearly did.
He had the worlds smallest mandate.
ANd as bizarre as it sounds…even Bush 43 has more intelectual prowess than the lovely guv.
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
3:07 pm
Harry
except of course that Newt did it twice…..
wet wiccan
December 28th, 2010
3:07 pm
Common Sense – You are close, but it will be Jeb, not Neil Bush who will run in 2012.
Paul
December 28th, 2010
3:09 pm
Well, I’m still thinking that this stretched-out economic cycle will begin ticking upwards during the primaries. Republicans will claim it’s because off all the spending power of the upper 2 percent of the population, completely missing the point that an association of two variables (keeping tax cuts in place for the rich and an improving economic climate) does not necessarily imply causation.
But even if it’s not all rosy, there’s still only one Republican candidate who’s made his own millions, run his own businesses and turned around failing enterprises. All Romney has to ask is “you gave him three years and a trillion dollars and he failed. I bring experience.”
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:09 pm
“He had the worlds smallest mandate”
Well, actually Granny, George W. Bush got a much higher percentage of the popular vote than did Clinton (look it up), but thanks for playing…
Harry Really???
December 28th, 2010
3:10 pm
did you say Palin’s was interlect is equal to Obamas??
Even the GOP’s leader Karl Rove said the only person that could handle Obama was Newt in the smarts department
Southern Comfort
December 28th, 2010
3:10 pm
thanks for the internet bully-speak anyways
That’s your M.O. and not mine. I don’t come on here attacking everyone’s posts nowhere near to what you do. You don’t see a difference, but I do. Oh well… I guess you wouldn’t see a difference if your wife cheated on you and you divorced her on your own accord vs your wife cheated on you and dumped you for the new wang while you were sick as hell in the hospital.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:10 pm
“I love you, man. Have a blessed holiday season”
It’s OK Matti, I’m a Christian. “Merry Christmas” will do just fine.
Question
December 28th, 2010
3:10 pm
Slow news day Jay?? Perhaps on blog on the following is just as relevant (and perhaps someone can explain why the leader of the free world is even addressing this issue?? BTW, didn’t Vick have about ten thousand “second chances”??) — Everyone deserves a second chance was President Barack Obama’s message when he called Philadelphia Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie last week to congratulate him and the team for giving quarterback Michael Vick a take two.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:12 pm
SC…spin it however you want, but John Edwards cheated on a cancer-stricken wife. You can argue (why bother, really) that at least Newt manned-up and filed papers, as opposed to going behind her back like Edwards did.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
3:12 pm
…no discernable[sic] difference between Newt’s behavior and that of Edwards…
Other than Newt’s a contender for 2012 and Edwards isn’t, yeah, they are exactly the same.
Socialism—–BOO
Del
December 28th, 2010
3:12 pm
Newt Gingrich doesn’t come anywhere near being the lying slime ball that John Edwards turned out to be. In fact you could make a case that Newt and Bill Clinton are birds of a feather.Even though Sarah Palin may not be presidential material, no one can really accuse her of being untrue to her moral principals.
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
3:14 pm
Nope, No Jeb in 2012. He’ll wait until 2016.
2012 will be a Dole-ish, McCain-ish pick…..in the GOP way of “it’s his turn”……which Republican has been in the Seante the longest kind of thing.
paleo-neo-Carlinist aka Joe the Plutocrat
December 28th, 2010
3:14 pm
Failed Marriage box score:
Gingrich – 2
Clinton – 0
Divorce box score:
Gingrich – 2
Clinton – 0
Change Religion box score
Gingrich – 1*
Clinton – 0
*made sure he became Catholic after he got the divorces out of his system
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:15 pm
I see it took Kammy 13 minutes to recover from the “one-word answer” blow I delivered to his ego. For his next trick, maybe he can find the courage to tell us how he feels about socialism. Don’t bet on it though. Once a coward, always a coward.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:16 pm
LOL at paleo…you don’t think Willy’s marriage to Hillary is failed? Classic.
Southern Comfort
December 28th, 2010
3:17 pm
Manned up??? He fu*king chickened out. If he was the true CHRISTIAN that he portrays on tv, first of all, he wouldn’t have cheated. Second, he forsaked his vows that he made before G*d. Remember the “for better or worse, in SICKNESS and in health, til death” part of the marital vows???? Edwards is dog sh*t and Newt is runny dog sh*t.
Matti
December 28th, 2010
3:17 pm
Harry Callahan,
Oh, I’m sorry! Is Christmas no longer part of the holiday season in this country? Please accept my deepest apologies. I certainly didn’t mean to disrespect you the way you meant to disrespect me. Merry Christmas! (for last week, or next year, take your pick)
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
3:17 pm
22 bounced checks in 92 That is a crime of moral turpitude (liar)
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
3:17 pm
…maybe he can find the courage to tell us how he feels about socialism.
Socialism is the monster under your bed.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
3:17 pm
Well, all’s I gotta say is when it comes down to whose the bigger scuzz bucket as to whose the best choice, we’ve got serious problems…
Paul
December 28th, 2010
3:17 pm
Harry 3:15
Rule of Thumb: when one resorts to personal attacks and ego, one loses the argument.
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
3:17 pm
Harry
How delightful to find your numbers correct! Huzzah!
I will rephrase my snark to Bush thought he had a greater mandate than he actually had…..but he was the decider so he decided to.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
3:18 pm
OUCH Who’s not whose…sshheeesh…
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:18 pm
Granny…you gonna get back to us on the “world’s smallest mandate” thing, or are you just running up the white flag on that one?
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:20 pm
“Socialism is the monster under your bed.”
If I spent all day cowering under the covers like you, that would be a problem.
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
3:20 pm
Newt reminds me a little of that other beloved Republican icon and great intellectual giant of the modern day GOP – Joseph McCarthy.
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
3:21 pm
iPad is so slow today.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
3:22 pm
Jay:
I had an early morning appointment and didn’t get to post anything on your previous thread regarding the Constitution. Allow me to do so now ……………..
A) The individuals you quoted were pretty much on target regarding the intent of the Constitution regarding federal projects.
B) Obviously, they couldn’t have imagined some or all of the original intent that needed to be modified to accommodate our modern country and viewpoints.
The question is how do you get from A) to B) without cheapening/prostituting the Constitution?
You have two choices:
#1 Submit to rule by judicial oligarchy (usurpation) forcing the Constitution mean what you want it to mean at any given time.
#2 Amend it based on the will of the people and evolving events/viewpoints.
Obviously, #1 is much faster while #2 passes Constitutional muster.
Washington warned us about this very principle that we have so flippantly disregarded:
“If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed.” George Washington
We were warned.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:22 pm
Kammy…personal responsibility is that monster under YOUR bed…
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
3:23 pm
Harry
see 3:17
beat ya’ to it.
I eben gave you a “huzzah”
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
3:23 pm
HARRY
I have no idea what Bill and Hillary have to say, but they’re still in it together for better or worse…and ’sides, everytime it comes up, I can just hear Tammy Wynette chuckling in the great beyond…
Adam
December 28th, 2010
3:24 pm
Love the Palin pic!
My prediction (OMG Dave R, a PREDICTION!) is that the GOP candidate that emerges for 2012 will not be anyone we have considered for that spot so far. That is, everyone polled vs. Obama for a 2012 ticket so far will not be the candidate that the GOP chooses in their primary to run.
It will most likely be someone most people have never heard of before. That way, the GOP can run away from any attempts to look at the record in a kooky way, and stick to the standard GOP hardline of a pro-choice, pro-Constitution, no-verbal-gaffes candidate. Then again, this all depends on how much Tea Party fervor is in that primary.
wet wiccan
December 28th, 2010
3:25 pm
Well, all’s I gotta say is when it comes down to whose the bigger scuzz bucket as to whose the best choice, we’ve got serious problems…
Ain’t that the truth!
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
3:26 pm
Hiya, Paul, hope you and yours had a great Xmas holiday.
To your point at 3:17, it would seem that some of the girls and boys here were very, very bad this year and got nothing more than a lump of coal!
And now they’re taking it out on the other Bookman peeps.
For brothers Bruno, josef and Hillbilly…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA3VbMWHjK8&feature=related
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:27 pm
By the way, Jay, Sarah Palin called to thank you for another day of free press/book sales/speaking fees/TV ratings.
Jay
December 28th, 2010
3:28 pm
Harry, can we debate the issues and political figures, rather than launch charactr attacks on others who post here?
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:30 pm
Once again, Kamchak has excercised his intellect to it’s maximum by posting a “leg-humper” reference.
(yawn)
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
3:31 pm
I saw that Palins second book flopped….apparently even the conservative book clubs that buy mass qtys in exchange for access to the authors weren’t interested.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
3:31 pm
I think Jeb may sit out 2012 and try in 2016 unless there is a weak GOP candidate in 2012.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:31 pm
Jay,
I can if others can.
By the way, it’s interesting to see who gets called out on that and who doesn’t, but it’s your sandbox, so I guess whatever you say, goes.
kayaker 71
December 28th, 2010
3:32 pm
Another Palin rant. Why, pray tell, Bookman, do you go on and on about someone so inconsequential? If she is so out of the mainstream, why devote all of this rhetoric to her?
Realistically speaking, the only viable candidate for President that the Repubs have is David Patraeus. No baggage, a great leader, highly respected throughout the world, well educated, level headed…. what more could you want? Comparing him to Bozo is like comparing Kermit to Frog to Einstein.
paleo-neo-Carlinist aka Joe the Plutocrat
December 28th, 2010
3:32 pm
Harry, good question. which is why I (true libertarian/borderline anarchist) “believe” the state needs to get out of the marriage business (gay/straight, and anything in between). I despise the Clintons on many levels, but ‘defense of marriage’ is not among them. I know you and I don’t agree, but if I had to choose between two POTUS; one who had an inocuous tryst with an intern in the Oval Office, and one who led the nation into a $trillion, endless, illegal war; well, call me subversive, but I’ll take the former. people of Newt’s ilk tend to wave the Bible (and law) around like some sort of weapon, but more often than not end up shooting themselves in the foot (or is it feet?).
Abrazos
December 28th, 2010
3:33 pm
“The only time I ever hear anything about Sarah Palin is when Bookman/Tucker bash her in print.”
Then the ONLY media outlet the guy must go to is Jay’s and Cynthia’s blog. Palin has become like cow poop in a barnyard. You can’t walk anywhere without stepping in it. USA Today OpEd, WSJ OpEd, non-stop coverage on Fox, TLC reality show, on and on and on.
As for Newt, for pure entertainment’s sake, RUN, BOY, RUN! Dr. Gingrich, whose zenith of academic achievement peaked at West Georgia College in the 70s, will finally be pressed to explain how it was not only OK to cheat on his wives, but potential First Lady Calista Bisek Gingrich will be explaining how she squared her “devout Catholicism ” with sleeping with another woman’s husband (that’d be Newt)for years. Maybe that pesky 7th Commandment about not committing adultery is just for the little people.
Get the popcorn ready. It’s going to be a heck of a show.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
3:34 pm
AmVet
Thanks!
ADAM
@ 3:24
I think you’re right there. I would also venture (wishful thinking, perhaps) that they’ll pull a candidate from that group within their party which seems to be getting its legs and moving back toward the center…I made the Brown suggestion as a joke, but he is one to keep an eye on politically speaking as well…
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
3:37 pm
Ya’ know Gen P would make a good candidate, but all he knows is ARMY stuff. (Nice but not near enough)
He’s going to have to broaden his skillset some first, but he seems to have his hands full at the moment.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:38 pm
paleo…Obama has had two years (and a massive majority in both houses) to get us out of of hte war…well actually, BOTH of the wars. What do you suppose he is waiting on? And how do you figure either (or both) of those wars are illegal? Especially given that NATO willingly went along with both?
We’re in agreement on marriage, by the way…none of the government’s business in any scenario…
Adam
December 28th, 2010
3:38 pm
josef: god help us if they do put a centrist up for election, since that person will probably win and then Republican members of congress will see it as a “mandate” to do whatever THEY want, just like last time we had a supposedly centrist GOP candidate elected. YES THAT’S ANOTHER PREDICTION OMG.
There’s nothing wrong with people expressing their prediction opinions btw.
Jay
December 28th, 2010
3:39 pm
for the record, Harry, I pulled down two posts directing fire your way….
Adam
December 28th, 2010
3:39 pm
Granny: But… but… isn’t the military all the experiencwe you need to be President? Or do you need private sector experience only, or do you need both? And you can’t be a lawyer or community organizer first, because that’s not experience or anything…. right?
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
3:39 pm
3 Holy Men and a Bear
A Priest, a Baptist Preacher, and a Rabbi all served as chaplains to the students of Northern
Michigan University in Marquette. They would get together two or three times a week for coffee and to talk shop. One day, someone made the comment that preaching to people isn’t really all that hard – a real challenge would be to preach to a bear. One thing led to another, and they decided to do an experiment.
They would all go out into the woods, find a bear, preach to it, and attempt to convert it. Seven days later, they all came together to discuss their experience.
Father Flannery, who had his arm in a sling, was on crutches, and had various bandages on his body and limbs, went first. ‘Well,’ he said, ‘I went into the woods to find me a bear. And when I found him, I began to read to him from the Catechism. Well, that bear wanted nothing to do with me and
began to slap me around. So I quickly grabbed my holy water, sprinkled him and, Holy Mary Mother of God, he became as gentle as a lamb. The Bishop is coming out next week to give him first communion and confirmation.’
Reverend Billy Bob spoke next. He was in a wheelchair, had one arm and both legs in casts, and had an IV drip. In his best fire-and-brimstone oratory, he claimed, ‘WELL, brothers, you KNOW that we don’t sprinkle! I went out and I FOUND me a bear. And then I began to read to my bear from God’s HOLY WORD! But that bear wanted nothing to do with me. So I took HOLD of him and we began to wrestle. We wrestled down one hill, UP another and DOWN another until we came to a creek. So I quickly DUNKED him and BAPTIZED his hairy soul. And just like you said, he became as gentle as a lamb. We spent the rest of the day praising Jesus. Hallelujah!
The priest and the reverend both looked down at the Rabbi, who was lying in a hospital bed. He was in a body cast and traction with IVs and monitors running in and out of him. He was in really bad shape. The Rabbi looked up and said: “Looking back on it, circumcision may not have been the best way to start.”
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
3:40 pm
Romney/Huckabee 2012. The campaign is already underway.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:42 pm
“one who had an inocuous tryst with an intern in the Oval Office”
Ronald Reagan wouldn’t even enter the Oval Office without a coat and tie. It’s the difference between respecting the office and acting like an ignorant redneck.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
3:42 pm
ADAM
I checked with the Romany Lady and she said it’s way too early to start reading the leaves when the tea water ain’t even boiled yet…
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
3:46 pm
AmVet
The Bruin @ 3:39
So THAT’s why he’s in such a foul a33 mood today…he converted!
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
3:46 pm
Harry
seeing as how both Gerald Ford and George Bush didn’t always wear a coat and tie in the oval office which one of them is the ignorant redneck?
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:46 pm
“for the record, Harry, I pulled down two posts directing fire your way….”
Name-calling stopped bothering me on or about my 5th birthday, but I respect your decision to try and maintain decorum.
As long as we’re discussing standards, I submit to you that repeated use of the vulgar term “leghumper,” especially when directed to other bloggers, adds little to the discussion, but I also recognize that banning the term would leave Kamchak and AmVet with little to contribute.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:47 pm
“seeing as how both Gerald Ford and George Bush didn’t always wear a coat and tie in the oval office which one of them is the ignorant redneck?”
The one that had a sexual affair with the big-haired fat chick in the Oval Office.
Normal
December 28th, 2010
3:50 pm
The one that had a sexual affair with the big-haired fat chick in the Oval Office.
I think harry wants one too….
paleo-neo-Carlinist aka Joe the Plutocrat
December 28th, 2010
3:50 pm
Harry, excuse my hyperbolic nonsense. unless, of course you think the words “Congress shall have the power… To Declare War (Article I Section
is (as Professor Venkman – “Ghostbusters” observed) ; “…more of a guideline than a rule…” and don’t bother telling me how many “liberals/democrats” signed off on AfPak and Iraq. those votes were to “authorize the use of military force…” what’s today’s date? we’ve been on AfPak since October 2001 and Iraq since March 2003. that’s some “military force”. but you are correct, Obama is just as loathesome and disingenous when it comes to “socialized warfare” (aka the military industrial complex jobs program).
Del
December 28th, 2010
3:51 pm
I wonder if Clinton kept the cigar as a souvenir.
Del
December 28th, 2010
3:52 pm
AmVet@3:39, that one should lighten things up. LOL
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
3:53 pm
Del
And wonder what Hillary did with it when she found it!
Harry Really???
December 28th, 2010
3:53 pm
So Harry you are still here…to my question before, are you saying Palin is Obama equal brain wise?
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
3:54 pm
Normal
December 28th, 2010
3:50 pm
I think harry wants one too….
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which one? the chick or slick willie
Del
December 28th, 2010
3:55 pm
josef, as tough as Hillary is she probably smoked it.
Normal
December 28th, 2010
3:55 pm
AmVet!
Damn it, I just spewed my coffee! I’m keeping that one! I keep seeing Gene Wilder as the Rabbi…
Good-O!
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
3:55 pm
Harry
Not one of the choices.
SO …all guys who don’t wear a coat and tie in the oval office are not ignorant rednecks – just the one from Arkansas who was a Rhodes Scholar.
strange standards you got there dude.
Del
Excellent question. But I wonder since stats say most men cheat on their wives at some point I just have to ask…do you keep souvenirs?
Please tell us do!
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
3:55 pm
My only problem with the Clinton hummer thing is that the repubs spent 50 million dollars to prove he got a hummer. With that much money I could prove my 13 year old son was the gunman on the grassy knoll
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:56 pm
paleo…spin it however you like, but Bush went into Iraq and Afghanistan with the blessing of both Congress and NATO. The “illegal war” moniker is just meaningless liberal smear, as is the term “war of choice.” What war isn’t a “war of choice”? We could have chose to ignore both Japan and Germany back in 1941, correct? Was WW2 not a “war of choice”?
I’ll ask you again, if Bush engaged in an illegal war, what law or statute did he violate?
Normal
December 28th, 2010
3:57 pm
Was WW2 not a “war of choice”?
He’s kidding, right?
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:57 pm
Harry Really???
December 28th, 2010
3:53 pm
“So Harry you are still here…to my question before, are you saying Palin is Obama equal brain wise?”
Yes, I am. I look forward to your evidence to prove otherwise.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
3:57 pm
Granny
Don’t forget that the Rhodes scholar said in Rome he was glad to “stand where Romulus and Remus stood!”
Del
December 28th, 2010
3:59 pm
Granny,
Don’t ask, never tell.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:59 pm
“I think harry wants one too….”
“which one? the chick or slick willie”
I know you are, but what am I?
See how adult that is?
horse
December 28th, 2010
4:00 pm
@josef nix
“Overall, even including Democrats and independents, only 47 percent of respondents in the South said they believed Obama was born in America, with 23 percent saying he was not and 30 percent saying they were unsure.”
I think it’s a safe bet that my 25 percent number if fairly accurate, given 23 percent are of “birther” ilk.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:01 pm
“My only problem with the Clinton hummer thing is that the repubs spent 50 million dollars to prove he got a hummer.”
Actually, no, Congress spent $50 million, not the Republicans, and it was to prove that Clinton lied under oath in the Paula Jones affair. Or are you feminists now saying that its OK for a man to drop his pants in front of a subordinate and tell her to “kiss it”?
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:04 pm
Granny…it’s clear to anyone with reading comprehension scores above the 3rd percentile that I was comparing Reagan’s view of the Oval Office to Clinton’s. But you are free to deny the obvious whenever and wherever it suits you to do so.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
4:04 pm
frog – I think he wants to be Monica
kayaker 71
December 28th, 2010
4:05 pm
Granny,
We need a leader who the public respects. This latest poll about Bozo being the most respected man in the US is pure BS. Must have been done by some liberal spin doctor who was hell bent on painting lipstick on a pig. It isn’t essential that our president have military experience but it sure helps, especially the leadership part. The essentials of being a good president are having the respect and trust of the electorate, being on the same page with the feelings of what the majority wants for this country, being a trusted leader of those around you and an abiding love for who we are. I cannot think of a better person to run. Maybe if Hillary resigns, he could pick her as his running mate. Wouldn’t that stir the pot!!
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:05 pm
Common Sense is Monica and frog is the cigar.
See how adult that was?
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
4:05 pm
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
3:56 pm
I’ll ask you again, if Bush engaged in an illegal war, what law or statute did he violate?
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When the President does it, that means that it is not illegal. -R.M. Nixon
paleo-neo-Carlinist aka Joe the Plutocrat
December 28th, 2010
4:06 pm
Harry, excuse me. I meant to say; if I had to choose between an innocuous tryst with an intern, and trading arms for hostages in order to fund an illegal war in Central America, and then saying you “don’t recall” any discussions pertaining to this ILLEGAL activity… again, call me a radical, but I’ll take the unsophisticated redneck “Bubba” six days a week and twice on Sundays. oh, and I don’t see “suit and tie” mentioned in Article II Section 1 (Presidential powers).
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
4:06 pm
horse
Okay, so how do those % stack up with those in other parts of the country?
And is this reflective of “white nationalism?”
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
4:08 pm
Tick…tick…tick….
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
4:08 pm
Hairy Callousedhand, No Question too inane to answer?
Adult enough?
larry
December 28th, 2010
4:09 pm
I dont think Bush had the support of NATO in Iraq. In fact, several NATO countries condemmed the invasion. I think you are getting the UN and NATO mixed up. Now Bush did have the blessing of NATO in Afganistan.
kayaker 71
December 28th, 2010
4:10 pm
Joseph,
BTW, Costa Rica was a hoot. Several big marlin and more inshore fish than you can imagine. We’re going back in June.
Harry Really???
December 28th, 2010
4:10 pm
I am trying to understand your logic. Are you saying common sense or education wise?
You are asking me to prove she is not or Newt is 10 times smarter, I would like to know how you reached those conclusions
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
4:12 pm
Harry
Sorry, but I know what my reading skills are…I was reading college level in 5th grade (love me some BVM’s and SoJ’s)!)…..bluster at somebody you might successfully intimidate.
Your statement was:
Ronald Reagan wouldn’t even enter the Oval Office without a coat and tie. It’s the difference between respecting the office and acting like an ignorant redneck.
ipso facto – abra cadabra – Presidents who don’t wear coats and ties in the oval office are acting like ignorant rednecks. – that would be Clinton, Ford, Bush 43 and Obama (I know photos are avaiable on those 4)
ANd punkin I free to do a whole hell of a lot more than point out the flaws in your arguments.
thats like taking candy from a baby.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:12 pm
“Tick…tick…tick….”
…another intellectual masterpiece…
Adam
December 28th, 2010
4:13 pm
This latest poll about Bozo being the most respected man in the US is pure BS
Not most RESPECTED, most ADMIRED. Anyway Palin was second on the women’s list and Glenn Beck even rated a spot. So what are you whining about?
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
4:13 pm
horse
Has some nice graphs!
http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/Birthers_new.pdf
Jokes and regional prejudices aside…that poll was truly disturbing…
paleo-neo-Carlinist aka Joe the Plutocrat
December 28th, 2010
4:13 pm
Harry, I answered the question. he violated Article I Section 8 (only Congress has the power to declare war). and just so we’re clear, Article I Section 8 does not read “Congress shall have power to Bless” war. no spinning here, amigo. so let me ask you, if Hillary “blessed” Bill’s extra-marital activities, would you view the whole Lewinsky thing differently?
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
4:15 pm
“This latest poll about Bozo being the most respected man in the US is pure BS.”
(By the way, it’s the third year in a row)
Oh kayaker, sour grapes are not attractive on you.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:15 pm
Granny, here’s my complete post from 3:42…
“one who had an inocuous tryst with an intern in the Oval Office”
“Ronald Reagan wouldn’t even enter the Oval Office without a coat and tie. It’s the difference between respecting the office and acting like an ignorant redneck.”
Clearly, I am comparing the attitude of one who dresses appropriately before entering the office to the attitude of one who enters the office with no pants on. But it is entertaining to see you squirming to deny the obvious.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
4:16 pm
Granny: well said.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
4:16 pm
Kayaker
Glad you had a good time and are going back!
Adam
December 28th, 2010
4:17 pm
Ronald Reagan wouldn’t even enter the Oval Office without a coat and tie.
I want documented proof of this. Please provide it.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
4:18 pm
HARRY
So, what’s your opinion of JFK?
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:18 pm
LOL at AmVet…you see me crying about personal attacks? Actually, I said (direct quote) they stopped bothering me on or about my 5th birthday…some 43 years ago.
Congratulations on using the f-word though…usually I have to venture onto a middle-school playground to see people who still thaink THAT”S cool.
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
4:18 pm
josef, does that information indicate that a third of the cons really are birther nuts?
Also, relevant is how such a higher percentage of the “believers” are at the high school or less in the education category…
Zooks, As in gadzooks…
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
4:21 pm
Harry
Its clearly how you see it.
That’s ok sweet cheeks!
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
4:22 pm
AmVet
Yeah, but look at the figures for the liberals and the higher educated…that’s even MORE disturbing to me…
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:22 pm
“ANd punkin I free to do a whole hell of a lot more than point out the flaws in your arguments.”
Typos and poor grammar aside, is that anything like when I blew your “bush tiny mandate” canard out of the water?
kayaker 71
December 28th, 2010
4:23 pm
Granny,
With the right questions asked of the right people, I could make David Duke look like Mother Teresa.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:24 pm
“HARRY
So, what’s your opinion of JFK?”
I was one year old when he died. It’s said he was a womanizer. Hopefully he had the good sense to do it elsewhere if true.
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
4:26 pm
Harry
Tease me about my keyboarding – no problem…and I have always admitted I spell badly.
You corrected me….and I accpeted the correction.
is that your idea of blown out of the water?
got ego?
Don’t ever watch Sink the Bismarck it’ll scare you.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:27 pm
Apparently, Jay has decreed “leghumper” to no longer be acceptable, so AmVet has reverted to dropping the f-bomb. What a classy guy.
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
4:28 pm
for harry
that’s “accepted”
I do admire good spelling and penmanship.
But coherent thought is really better, you got any of that?
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:29 pm
Gotta give AmVet props for hanging in there though, poor little Kamchak disappeared altogether when “leghumper” was declared ouot-of-bounds.
paleo-neo-Carlinist aka Joe the Plutocrat
December 28th, 2010
4:29 pm
Harry, so in your mind, St. Ronnie was OK because he “respected” the Oval Office (the actual room), even as he showed NO respect for the Constitution (the document which “created” the Office of POTUS)?
Finn McCool
December 28th, 2010
4:30 pm
NOOOOOOO..We WANT Sara and NEWT on the ticket. We Want to WIN.
Jeeez, quit blowing it, liberals. For effen outs sake.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:31 pm
“But coherent thought is really better, you got any of that?”
I’m still waiting for an original, coherent thought from you, actually. Will I be waiting in vain?
By the way, my use of the word “acceptable” was totally, well, acceptable.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
4:31 pm
Harry…
Right up there in the White House…’course one of his was Marilyn Monroe…FDR shacked up with his at Warm Springs, Ole Abie brought his piece right up into the bedroom and his was a him…(come on, Bruin, who says I can’t find something good to say about him!) Bucky and his buddy were there, too… been going on sice probably Thomas Jefferson…doubt the first resident got any though, Ole John was a sour puss and Abigail kept a close rein there…
Finn McCool
December 28th, 2010
4:32 pm
White Stripes song called “Hotel Yorba” off the white blood cells album
enough said…..
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
4:32 pm
The last president with more than the minimum regular military experience was Jimmy Carter
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:33 pm
I guess respect for the Constitution is in the eyes of the beholder, paleo. Apart from the “arms for hostages” battle cry, do you have other examples or Reagan’s lack of respect for our founding principals?
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
4:34 pm
I’m still here, Hairy-poo.
RW-(the original)
December 28th, 2010
4:34 pm
I get back from the forest and my wife is watching a movie called Obsessed then I come here and find yet another Palin story. Must be something in that snow that hit us.
Doggone/GA
December 28th, 2010
4:34 pm
“the state needs to get out of the marriage business (gay/straight, and anything in between)”
Can’t agree. It’s religion that needs to stay out of what is, in fact, a legal contract.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:35 pm
“The last president with more than the minimum regular military experience was Jimmy Carter”
Well, actually, George H. Bush was a Navy dive-bomber pilot in WW2, but thanks for playing. You’re right about one thing though, common sense seems to be in short supply, doesn’t it?
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
4:35 pm
Okey dokey, classy Harry.
But this fact is irrefutable, this blog was going back and forth very nicely until you showed up and did your petulant brat routine on Redneck.
And interestingly enough, you don’t deny the truth.
And I stand by my assertion about Jay’s and others’ observations, you just ain’t happy unless you are launching character attacks and personally insulting somebody/anybody.
Without provocation. It’s what you do.
No worries, humper. You’ll keep on leg humping anybody and everybody, and the rest of us will have a good laugh…
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
4:35 pm
Harry
No need to wait for that which you are incapable of recognizing.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:36 pm
“I’m still here, Hairy-poo.”
…and still contributing zero…
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
4:37 pm
Bush 41′ and his flight record drives my pop nuts.
Pop says only a coward wouldn’t go back and attempt to save his crew.
He let those boys die.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:37 pm
Actually, I may have mis-spoke…I think Bush Sr. flew torpedo planes, not dive bombers. Certainly more than the “minimum regular military experience” at any rate.
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
4:38 pm
GHWB, was a real man. He put his arse on the line for this country when it counted.
His “hiding out in Alabama” kid? Not so much…
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
4:39 pm
Granny, I’m not sure if GHWB was derelict in his duty.
I’m convinced GWB was.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:40 pm
“Pop says only a coward wouldn’t go back and attempt to save his crew.
He let those boys die.”
Wow…I didn’t think even a typical liberal hate-monger would go that far…
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
4:41 pm
Harry
And saved Alabama from invasion!
Last bona fide “war hero?” JFK and he always tried to play it down…
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
4:42 pm
…and still contributing zero…
I’m just waiting for TuEsDaY VaNdY GiRl to make an appearance.
You got any idea where “she” may be?
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
4:43 pm
AMVet
My dad was also a pilot in the south pacific at that time, he says that while not required to do so – no pilot worth his salt would have behaved as Bush ‘41 did.
Real Scooter
December 28th, 2010
4:43 pm
RW-(the original)
December 28th, 2010
4:34 pm
Well,Jay did say it was going to be a slow news week. You should have known a Palin story was coming dude! LMAO
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:44 pm
“His “hiding out in Alabama” kid? Not so much…”
Statistically, flying jet fighters, even in peace time, is about the most dangerous occupation on earth. Congrats on not using the f-word or “leghumper” though.
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
4:44 pm
Oh Harry
The truth hurts….
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:45 pm
“Last bona fide “war hero?” JFK and he always tried to play it down…”
Well…some folks say he was drunk when his PT boat got run over by the Japanese. I wasn’t there though, so I won’t go as far as granny did…
Adam
December 28th, 2010
4:46 pm
Harry, you’re not the better man for continually pointing out that other people are doing character attacks too.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:46 pm
“Pop says only a coward wouldn’t go back and attempt to save his crew.”
Let me guess…GG’s pops is/was a liberal?
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2010
4:48 pm
Palin/Gingrich 2012:
Die Luft Kopf und der Grosser Kopf
(The Air Head and the Big Head!
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:48 pm
“Harry, you’re not the better man for continually pointing out that other people are doing character attacks too.”
No, but it sure is fun.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
4:48 pm
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
4:41 pm
Last bona fide “war hero?” JFK and he always tried to play it down…
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He could swim much better than his brother.
The thrill is Gone
December 28th, 2010
4:49 pm
OMG!
Chris Matthews, the anchor of MSNBC’s “Hardball” program, is now calling for Barack Obama to release his original, long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate to put to rest any doubts about the president’s constitutional eligibility to hold office.
On last night’s edition of his show, Matthews stated: “I am not a birther. I am an enemy of the birthers.” But he continued with the questions, “Why doesn’t the president just say, ‘Send me a copy right now?’ Why doesn’t Gibbs and Axelrod say, ‘Let’s just get this crappy story dead?’ Why not do it? … If it exists, why not put it out?”
Why not indeeeeeeed?
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:49 pm
“You got any idea where “she” may be?”
I think you’re laboring under the misapprehension that I answer to you, sport.
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2010
4:50 pm
This system of unfair trade was established because it benefits U.S. corporations. The problem is that U.S. workers have been the sacrificial lamb of free trade. In contrast, emerging nations have shared this economic prosperity with corporate America. Since 2000, anywhere from 5 to 8 million U.S. jobs have left U.S. soil and landed in China.
This is a great (albeit long) article about how we got to where we are now and our prospects for the futre. I encourage you (Right and Left) to save it to your favorites to read later.
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
4:50 pm
GG, you and he may be right. I’ve not read enough to have an informed opinion.
What I have read was inconclusive.
At any rate, give your dad a big wet smackee! (And a salute from me.)
A great email I just got…
Rules for Kickin’ Ass
Rules for the Non-Military
Dear Civilians, ‘We know that the current state of affairs in our great nation has many civilians up in arms and excited to join the military.
For those of you who can’t join, you can still lend a hand. Here are a few of the areas where we would like your assistance:
1. The next time you see any adults talking (or wearing a hat) during the playing of the National Anthem – kick their ass.
2. Regardless of the rank they held while they served, pay the highest amount of respect to all veterans. If you see anyone doing otherwise, quietly pull them aside and explain how these veterans fought for the very freedom they bask in every second. Enlighten them on the many sacrifices these veterans made to make this Nation great. Then hold them down while a disabled veteran kicks their ass.
3. If you were never in the military, DO NOT pretend that you were. Wearing battle dress uniforms (BDUs) or Jungle Fatigues, telling others that you used to be ‘Special Forces’. Collecting GI Joe memorabilia, might have been okay when you were seven years old, now, it will only make you look stupid and get your ass kicked.
4. Next time you come across an *Air Force* member, do not ask them, ‘Do you fly a jet?’ Not everyone in the Air Force is a pilot. Such ignorance deserves an ass-kicking (children are exempt).
5. If you witness someone calling the Coast Guard ‘non-military’, inform them of their mistake – and kick their ass.
6. Next time Old Glory (the US flag) prances by during a parade, get on your damn feet and pay homage to her by placing your hand over your heart. Quietly thank the military member or veteran lucky enough to be carrying her – of course, failure to do either of those could earn you a severe ass-kicking.
7. ‘Your mama wears combat boots’ never made sense to me – stop saying it! If she did, she would most likely be a vet and therefore would kick your ass!
8 ‘Flyboy’ (*Air Force*), ‘Jarhead’ (*Marines*), runt’ (*Army*), ‘Squid’ (*Navy*), ‘Puddle Jumpers’(*Coast Guard*), etc., are terms of endearment we use describing each other. Unless you are a service member or vet, you have not earned the right to use them. Using them could get your ass kicked.
Last, but not least, whether or not you become a member of the military, support our troops and their families. Every Thanksgiving and religious holiday that you enjoy with family and friends, please remember that there are literally thousands of soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen far from home wishing they could be with their families. Thank God for our military and the sacrifices they make every day. Without them, our country would get its ass kicked.
Real Scooter
December 28th, 2010
4:50 pm
Last bona fide “war hero?” JFK and he always tried to play it down
Sorry josef,i have to call BS here.JFK should have been court martialed instead of decorated!
But thats for another thread.
oldtimer
December 28th, 2010
4:52 pm
I think, that if the media ignored Palin, she would disappear quickly.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
4:52 pm
Why not indeeeeeeed?
Because it’s pointless. Birthers will not be satisfied with ANY evidence that comes from any source they deem to be untrustworthy (which is basically anyone in any government office anywhere). Proof:
“Taitz said she would only be satisfied if she and a private detective she works with were granted access to all the original paper work and allowed to carry out tests.”
You can read more on my take on this here
sharecropper
December 28th, 2010
4:52 pm
Ah, too bad. Palin would have made an excellent punching bag for Obama and for the comics, and ol’ Newt could have explained his many marriages, how he dumped ‘em, his disgrace in Congress and the shady funneling of tax dollars to the course he himself taught at that obscure junior college, and many other Newtisms. But Palin, who once quit immediately after saying she doesn’t quit, is making a bunch more money than she could as president — or really, having hubby Todd as president — and ideally for her intellectual capacity, absolutely no accountability. Too bad. Now Obama will have to work for his re-election. Although take all the time you want to pick an opponent from that group of GOP dweebs.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:52 pm
“Chris Matthews, the anchor of MSNBC’s “Hardball” program, is now calling for Barack Obama to release his original, long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate to put to rest any doubts about the president’s constitutional eligibility to hold office.
On last night’s edition of his show, Matthews stated: “I am not a birther. I am an enemy of the birthers.” But he continued with the questions, “Why doesn’t the president just say, ‘Send me a copy right now?’ Why doesn’t Gibbs and Axelrod say, ‘Let’s just get this crappy story dead?’ Why not do it? … If it exists, why not put it out?”
OMG, don’t tell AmVet and josef…no doubt the notion that their most respected news source, MSNBC, is now on the “birther” train will cause heads to explode all over…
dw
December 28th, 2010
4:52 pm
as long as socialist bho goes. it doesn’t matter. it’s all good then.
gahanson
December 28th, 2010
4:52 pm
“A year from now, she’ll be considered little more than a curiosity” seems to me that many said the exact same thing in July 2009, how that turn out?
Once Palin starts campaigning full time in spring or summer 2009, she’ll become unstoppable. She’ll steamroll Gingrich, Huckabee, Romney, Pawlenty, etc., making them only speedbumps on her road to the White House.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
4:53 pm
Harry Callahan@4:35 pm
I see the English Language is not your strong suit. It says minimum. And Bush Sr. was in ONLY during WWII.
Jimmy Carter went into the Naval Academy in 1943 and left the service in 1953. By my count 10 years. Let’s see if MATH is your strong suit. SInce Reading isn’t.
Maroon
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
4:53 pm
“He could swim much better than his brother.”
frog, now that’s funny and awful at the same time!
Chip
December 28th, 2010
4:54 pm
I would vote for Charlie Brown over Obama.
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
4:54 pm
Harry
Pops is a hero.
Get that straight.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
4:54 pm
It’s one thing to ask for evidence. It’s another thing to only ask for evidence so that any evidence presented can be rejected in favor of moving the goal posts, asking for MORE evidence, until finally you realize you were wrong but never admit it. See John McCain for an example of how to act this way.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
4:55 pm
K’chak
“I’m just waiting for TuEsDaY VaNdY GiRl to make an appearance.”
Me, too, especially now that Andy’s gone…
10 Most Dangerous Jobs
1.Fisherman
2.Logger
3.Airline (not fighter) pilot
4.Farmers
5. Roofers
6.Ironworkers
7. Sanitation workers
8. Industrial machinist
9. Truckers driver/delivery
10. Construction workers
Tommy Maddox
December 28th, 2010
4:55 pm
I like Newt. We all have baggage [yes, each and ever one of you] but it wasn’t a hindrance to his performance. I was in DC one day and dropped by the Speaker’s office in DC only to find he wasn’t there. The next day, he walked right into me at the North Roswell Rotary Club and I asked him why he wasn’t at his office…found out he had two.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:58 pm
Common Sense…Bush enlisted (was not drafted) which means he had to serve a longer tour than a draftee. My understanding is that this was done so that guys wouldn’t “cherry pick” and enlist in branches they viewed as less dangerous in order to avoid the draft. AmVet can no doubt clarify.
But since enlisting, and serving a longer tour, is no doubt more than the minimum, I can only conclude that neither math NOR English Language is your strong suit.
Hopefully, you have something else to fall back on, else I foresee a long unhappy future of government dependency for you.
Dont believe in the Change
December 28th, 2010
4:58 pm
Whoever runs they had better be tough and to the point. They had better be for law and order. They had better be for the American people and America itself. They had better get rid of the 1st welfare system and the 2nd welfare system called unemployment. They had better start drilling for our own oil and gas, and they had better start watching countries like China. They had better set up a CIA that deals with nothing else other then treason and start taking care of our boarders. If they dont, the US of A will be the US of Corrution and a muslim territory if its not already. GOD help America.
Dusty
December 28th, 2010
4:59 pm
HARRY CALLAHAN,
Please stay with us every day. What a pleasure to see actual reasoning and the downgrade of the usual liberal litanies that haunt this blog.
You even got the Croix de Guerre from Bookman. That proves you are indeed a general in the battle of the blog. Salute!!
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
4:59 pm
“Pops is a hero.”
That’s not what I asked you. I asked you if he was a liberal. Why else would he throw a fellow combat vet under the bus?
paleo-neo-Carlinist aka Joe the Plutocrat
December 28th, 2010
5:00 pm
Harry, all things considered, I think Reagan’s reputation as a conservative icon is so much (what was the word you used?) revisionist “spin”. but since you asked; there was the amnesty for illegals (what part of illegal did he not understand?), the invasion of Grenada to “rescue” a handful of American students too stupid to get into a decent Medical School in the USA (some suggest the Grenada crusade was divert attention from the bombing of the USMC barracks in Lebanon, but I won’t pile on). but perhaps the biggest beef I have with Reagan was his introduction of debt-fueled spending (”…deficits don’t matter…” as observed by Darth Cheney). and again, I never said Clinton was a beacon of character, but his moral flaws didn’t get people killed (except for those killed by the cruise missiles he sent into Afghanistan and the Sudan after the Embassy bombings, and we know the dead ones were all bad guys). so, you can dismiss the arms for hostages (and getting in bed with cocaine smugglers, while ramping up the war on drugs), but since I am not married to Bill Clinton, and Monica Lewinsky was an adult, what happens between two consenting adults does not concern me.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
5:00 pm
Frog
You just bad!
Real Scooter…
Let’s do come back to that…I’m interested…BTW I’ m no JFK groupie…
Tommy Maddox
December 28th, 2010
5:03 pm
Oh Granny:
George Bush’s TBD was SHOT DOWN over Chichi Jima. He stayed at the controls skidding his aircraft to the left until his other 2 crew members could slip out the back door…and there is a back door on those things. Then, he leaped out of his dying aircraft and got picked up by the Skipjack before the Japanese long boat could get him.
Nice try at history. No; pitiful attempt at history.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
5:03 pm
paleo…nice rant…more than a little fact-challenged, but too wordy to bother refuting. You win…Reagan was a closet liberal. Leaves me wondering why you libs don’t adore him though.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
5:03 pm
Dont believe in the Change
December 28th, 2010
4:58 pm
————————
No Hope.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
5:04 pm
HARRY
You don’t pay a lot of attention before you shoot, do you? I don’t presuppose to speak for AmVet, but I hold MSNBC in lower regard than Fox when it comes to the talking heads…and that’s pretty d*mned low…
Doggone/GA
December 28th, 2010
5:04 pm
“Hawaii’s Governor Takes On ‘Birthers’”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/25/us/25hawaii.html
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
5:05 pm
Tommy Maddox…don’t bother reasoning with Granny. I don’t know why I bothered…its pointless. She is immune to facts.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
5:07 pm
Dusty, thanks. One does what one can. Unlike the libbies, though, I have a job. Usually one afternoon per week of enlightenment for the liberal masses is all I can spare.
David
December 28th, 2010
5:07 pm
Ladies and Gentelmen the ever deep and always thoughtful Jay Bookman! It’s just a shame that Mr. Bookman doesn’t wear well over time.
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
5:08 pm
“Because it’s pointless. Birthers will not be satisfied with ANY evidence that comes from any source they deem to be untrustworthy ”
…a position that affords one a nice dodge if/when one does not, in fact, have the necessary documents…
Real Scooter
December 28th, 2010
5:08 pm
Real Scooter…
Let’s do come back to that…I’m interested…BTW I’ m no JFK groupie
Maybe we could get Jay to do a JFK thread instead of a Palin thread,it would certainly be more interesting.
Hootinanny Yum Yum
December 28th, 2010
5:09 pm
Speaking of “shot”.
Have you noticed how many murders and shootings are occurring in metro Atlanta?
Are these people not animals that should be put down?
The thrill is Gone
December 28th, 2010
5:11 pm
Adam
In your article, you mention 22% are birthers.
Chris Mathews mentions 48% of Americans are not sure or believe that Obama is illegal. (NYT poll).
Do you not think that 48% of Americans deserve an answer.?
Chris Mathews, that weirdo from Mother Jones, and Clarence Page seem to think so.
Also I asked you a question on your South-bashing blog entry.
What is IMMORAL about seccession?
Harry Callahan
December 28th, 2010
5:11 pm
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2010
4:37 pm
“Bush 41′ and his flight record drives my pop nuts.
Pop says only a coward wouldn’t go back and attempt to save his crew.
He let those boys die.”
The more I think about this, the more it ticks me off. What does “Pops” think Mr. Bush should have done that he didn’t do?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
5:14 pm
Harry Callahan@4:58 pm
Harry – I hope you do a better job at work checking facts than you do here. George H. W. Bush was commissioned June 9, 1943 and left the service Sept 1945. Just a little over 2 years. Also a draftee during WWII was drafted for the duration plus 6 months so possibly longer than Bush Sr. Get your facts straight.
Tommy Maddox
December 28th, 2010
5:14 pm
If anybody could pick up their still floating-by-parachute crewman from the air while their aircraft was plunging in flames toward the Pacific and deliver them safely to the US Navy prior to impact with the sea surface, then that might qualify as a HERO in the eyes of a liberal. I guess all those others who bought the sea were losers.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
5:14 pm
Gingrich and Palin have a couple of things going for them that Obama does not–they aren’t hoping “America’s chickens come home to roost” and they don’t have domestic terrorist friends who wipe their feet on the American flag and regret they didn’t set more bombs against their fellow citizens.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
5:15 pm
Tommy Maddox
December 28th, 2010
5:03 pm
———————————————-
I also read that he was picked up in a raft, the only
survivor. His own published accounts differ. However
this proves nothing other than combat related memories
often change over time. None varied significantly from
the log entries of the rescue vessel.
carlosgvv
December 28th, 2010
5:15 pm
Political ambition does strange things to people. Look at all the candidates we had in the Governor’s primary. I expect Palin and Gingrich will do everything they possibly can to get the nomination and, considering how looney the Tea Party GOP has become, they just might get it. Let’s just hope the American people still have some common sense left and not elect these losers.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
5:15 pm
Scooter
I ain’t out to rile the Bruin myself by bringing up JFK in an unflattering light…he’s already deemed me a heretic once today! I’m telling you, that rabbi of AmVet’s done put him in a mood!
paleo-neo-Carlinist aka Joe the Plutocrat
December 28th, 2010
5:19 pm
Harry, we agree. reagan was very much a ‘closet liberal’. not that I don’t understand why the neo-cons have re-packaged him (and more importantly, his predecesor from Plains, GA). I will not respond to your “fact challenged” comment. I’m off the grid for the next 18 hours.
Dusty
December 28th, 2010
5:19 pm
Well, just a little thinking here about Sarah Palin. The thing about Sarah is the fact that she comes across as the “real American”, the kind you want to remember and wish for again.
She is the staunch mother who does not turn on her children when they make a mistake or come with disabilities. She makes no claims to the elite and enjoys being from Alaska and it’s wild environment. If you met her at the supermarket she would smile and speak. She had the advantages of fine parents, a college degree, a supportive husband and successful experience in government at the local and state level. She is bright in mind, personality and experience. For all that, she bears up well under vitriolic political “persecution”.
If Sarah Palin comes as a normal, welecomed sight to many Americans, I find it no surprise. She is superbly like them and they know it.
Abrazos
December 28th, 2010
5:20 pm
Oldtimer @ 4:52 “I think that if the media ignored Palin, she would disappear quickly.”
Right you are. I think the same could be said for “Harry Callahan” and some other Tourette’s Syndrome posters here. Deprive a cyber-narcissist of attention and it’s like taking away his air supply. ¿Están de acuerdos?
Tommy Maddox
December 28th, 2010
5:20 pm
Go read James Bradley’s “Flyboys”. The Japanese guard that was standing post on a mountain top watching Bush’s parachute land in the water did not think he stuck around too long bobbing about in the sea.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
5:21 pm
…a position that affords one a nice dodge if/when one does not, in fact, have the necessary documents…
Well hey, maybe he doesn’t. I sure don’t have my original BC. I only have a copy issued from my state of birth. It was plenty enough for me to get other documents and employment. I really don’t see why one should be responsible for having the original when copies, issued and certified by the state in question, are available.
Also Thrill I answered your question on my article. As for the 48%, They’ve been given evidence that normally would convince everyone but the most diehard believers in the opposite. Some of them haven’t seen or don’t know about it. Those articles that help prove it are all cited in my other article on the subject and I have followed this one for a while now. The evidence is actually much more than I would have expected to get out of any candidate for office undergoing the same scrutiny prior to 2008. I haven’t seen this much evidence of innocence offered up in anything else but late night cop/court shows.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
5:21 pm
Reagan may have been a classical liberal, you know, the kind that believe in liberty. But as he once said, the Democrat party left HIM. It’s been a long time since Democrats were for freedom, except of course the freedom to kill your unborn child.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
5:24 pm
Also I should mention that everyon I know in person who believes Obama wasn’t born in the U.S., that’s 100% of anyone I know mind you…. as soon as I say I can prove Obama was born here, the conversation stops. They don’t want to see the evidence, they just want to believe what they believe. Maybe it’s my in person presentation but it’s hard for me to understand.
Real Scooter
December 28th, 2010
5:25 pm
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
5:15 pm
ROFLMAO josef!!!!
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
5:28 pm
DUSTY
“She is superbly like them and they know it.”
Or as Faulkner’s Gavin Stevens would say…
“… who are the only people on earth who brag publicly of being second rate, i.e. lowbrows… ”
I agree, though, that the reason so many don’t like her is she’s too much like them. I like Sister Sarah well enough, but I don’t think she belongs in the White House…I don’t think I do either…
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
5:32 pm
josef, I liked her best in the photoshopped picture
wrapped in the flag with an assault rifle. had they
used that as a campaign poster, they might have
done better….
The thrill is Gone
December 28th, 2010
5:35 pm
Adam
Yes, it is hard to understand.
Call me a stickler, but the fact that Obama admitted taking cocaine should have barred him from the Presidency or CNC . Along with GW. No military person could EVER have a top secret clearance if they joined with a drug waiver. Until the laws are changed, the president shouldn’t either.
I know that actually obeying the law is old-fashioned among the political elites.
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
5:38 pm
Harry, I have got to hand it to you. No matter what the subject you can get it wrong. Mathews was asking the question why not turn it over. As pointed out by one of his commentators, what has been made public is sufficient for a passport or even working for the CIA. All 3 pointed that even if hte “long form” was posted 20% would still claim it was faked. Chris also stated he “is an enemy of the birthers” (his words)…but I guess that fact did not fit your dishonest spin.
Now next time you watch MSNBC, here is the plan….watch, listen, try to comprehend.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
5:39 pm
I didn’t realize we were talking about Obama’s drug use.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
5:39 pm
Enter your comments hereThe thrill is Gone
December 28th, 2010
5:35 pm
—————————————————-
Unfortunately, the American people get to elect
who they want. Except in Florida.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
5:40 pm
All 3 pointed that even if hte “long form” was posted 20% would still claim it was faked.
This was one of my original points.
cause
December 28th, 2010
5:44 pm
a republican will win in 2012 because people are just that stupid. gas prices will shoot up. still can’t figure out especially in this economy why middle class people think they can afford that. ceo’s will get richer and the american worker will get poorer. and less will have jobs. but look on the bright side there will be another war and you can still get a job away from your family where you’ll have the opportunity and good fortune to be patriotic enough to get shot in the head in some little bs country somewhere in some back water of the world that our people are too stupid and ignorant to know where it is or even how to pronounce it’s name correctly. the drug companies, defense contractors, the oil companies, the energy companies, healthcare companies, wall street, etc. will all be making tons of money even if they go bankrupt. but at least it won’t be one of those green toothed horned devil liberals as president. cause you know how bad that might be, i mean a president having oral sex instead of starting a war to kill our boys in. death is patriotic and a bj is just horrible.
Joel
December 28th, 2010
5:45 pm
HERMAN CAIN IS RUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 28th, 2010
5:45 pm
Well, y’all quit picking on Harry or he’s going to go and have a stroke. You know his heart is Right, even if he’s a little light upstairs.
Have a good night everybody.
Joe
December 28th, 2010
5:46 pm
You could be right Jay about Palin not running but dead wrong about Newt not winning. He certainly has the intellect to win and will be far more gifted than any other candidate while speaking on the issues. As Juan Williams said about Palin the same could be said about Obama. He couldn’t possibly stand on the same intellectual stage as Gingrich. It will be interesting though. Whoever the Republicans nominate Obama is sure to lose anyway. He has certainly lacked in the leadership category and been the most inept President in my lifetime. By the way, I was around during the Carter debacle….
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
5:47 pm
cause
Is your boy one of those? Mine is and was sent to Afghanistan by the Democrat president CinC…
and, really, do you hold your fellow Americans in such low regard? You, I assume, are e pluriborum unus…
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
5:48 pm
Adam….absolutely right. The best Scout could do last night was to claim that there could be some fraudulent activity that possible could have worked through the statutory language. That was after he first made a claim about the statutory language which I proved was not enacted until 18 years after Obama’s 1961 birth. So the best they have is a “feeling” that something is not right. If they had any thing else, they could have gotten any one of the mulitple legal cases to trial.
Its pure nonsense and anyone who believes it has to admit they have absolutely nothing but a hunch or they might as well be telling us the moon is made of green cheese.
So 20% of Americans are really proven idiots.
Paul
December 28th, 2010
5:51 pm
“All 3 pointed that even if the “long form” was posted 20% would still claim it was faked.”
Rule of Thumb: 20-25 percent of the population will believe anything.
Fang1944
December 28th, 2010
5:51 pm
Well, we can hope the GOP won’t be stupid enough to run either one of these Fox News employees.
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
5:53 pm
I bet Clinton would love to see Newt run…..Newt, payback will be hell!
Adam
December 28th, 2010
5:53 pm
Keep up the good fight: So the best they have is a “feeling” that something is not right
yeah, that’s called racism.
Joel
December 28th, 2010
5:54 pm
If you dont support Cain, you are a racist!
Dusty
December 28th, 2010
5:54 pm
Well, mark me as one who does not worry one minute about when & where the President was born. He’s got a birth certificate. That’s good enough. What worries me is what kind of president he may finally be.
The president is a nice guy. No doubt about that. But I can’t help but believe he is overpowered in the WhiteHouse. His decisions seem to be more a compilation of his asociates decisions than any principle of his own. He seems more concerned with minutia than the momentous.
Yes, I am referring to police squabbles with a college professor, the choices of a football star Vick. Why does he bother? Then there seems to be a definite desire to stay OUT of the Oval office and travel. Whether for fun or government business, he seems to be in the air much of the time. No feet on the ground for Obama. He’s out of “there”.
His successes seem more those of a Democratic led congress than those of the President. He proudly signs papers like a good president should. It almost seems like a game. I am afraid it IS just a poltical game and dream he had, a dream of being a leader but not able to perform the reality.
We shall see. Perhaps Democrats should worry about their own candidate in the next election instead of buzzing around conservatives. They might find they need to look around themselves.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
5:55 pm
By the way, I was around during the Carter debacle….
So?
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
5:56 pm
Adam
“yeah, that’s called racism”
You’re too intelligent to make a comment like that…
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
6:01 pm
Adam, I have to agree with Nix. I think the best we can say is that some of them are racists, some are just too gullible to check what they read and to do research, some don’t care about the truth and repeat it for political points. I actaully suspect Harry is in the 3d category but he can “refudiate”
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
6:02 pm
John Mccain was born in Panama, his ‘natural born’
status should have been questioned more than Obama’s
status.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
6:03 pm
So …………… while all of us were warm and snuggly a Georgia Trooper (and father of two sons) was murdered by a perp. that GBI Vernon Keenan described as having a “lengthy criminal record”.
Therefore, the question I propose is not “why” this sociopath did what he did but why he was “free” to to it ?
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:03 pm
good fight
And some otherwise reasonable people can get caught up in a conspiracy theory and go plumb off the deep end…as we saw last p.m.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
6:04 pm
No takers on this earlier one? Jay?
Jay:
I had an early morning appointment and didn’t get to post anything on your previous thread regarding the Constitution. Allow me to do so now ……………..
A) The individuals you quoted were pretty much on target regarding the intent of the Constitution regarding federal projects.
B) Obviously, they couldn’t have imagined some or all of the original intent that needed to be modified to accommodate our modern country and viewpoints.
The question is how do you get from A) to B) without cheapening/prostituting the Constitution?
You have two choices:
#1 Submit to rule by judicial oligarchy (usurpation) forcing the Constitution mean what you want it to mean at any given time.
#2 Amend it based on the will of the people and evolving events/viewpoints.
Obviously, #1 is much faster while #2 passes Constitutional muster.
Washington spoke of this very principle that we have so flippantly disregarded:
“If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed.” George Washington
We were warned.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
6:05 pm
If 9/11 had not occurred how many think Bush would have been re-elected?
Do you think he would have gone the way of his father (one term) or found another excuse to get in a war with Iraq?
Dawg '88
December 28th, 2010
6:06 pm
The country wants someone the like and trust?
Then that eliminates Obama running in 2012 as well.
He is a liar…and the nation’s most vulnerable can’t trust him to allow them to live…the unborn cry out for a remedy and at least the awful Gingrinch (sarcasm) would at least try to save their lives.
I would rather have Newt with his new found faith and principles than a man who calls a baby a “mistake”….or one who votes against a bill saving the life of an baby who survives an abortion. Anyone with such ideas is dangerous to the American public.
Make fun of Palin and Newt Boredman all you like…you don’t have a clue what a candidate of character was if it bit you in the butt. You’re a liberal who likely voted for Clinton, Obama and possibly John Edwards. I’m used to hearing liberals bash other people because they disagree with them.
Obama bashed common citizens whom he claims to be fighting for. He is a far left wing liberal who supports immoral behavior and the killing (murder) of the unborn. Yeah….he’s a much better choice than Newt and Palin.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
6:06 pm
Excuse me: “GBI Director Vernon Keenan”
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:07 pm
Frog
Did the Canal Zone have a long form, though?
Chris Matthews
December 28th, 2010
6:07 pm
Boy…you sure are dumb! Just don’t get ..do you!
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
6:08 pm
Agreed Nix….but that is not to equate the truther with the birther positions. There is clear evidence on the birther. There are many questions about what happened for the truthers. I dont agree with the truthers but I understand the issues and the questions. Understanding the nuances of the engineering and structure of the WTC towers and the collapse and questions about the reaction of materials under stress can have reasonable professional disagreement. I think it falls into the same category of FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance…..there was smoke but no fire.
Birthers have not even got smoke..they only have complete fabrication.
Real Scooter
December 28th, 2010
6:08 pm
Dang,it’s getting kinda boring here.Must be cause Harry didn’t make it to page 6.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:09 pm
Peadawg
The only candidate I’ve seen Jay “admit” to voting for was Reagan…
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
6:10 pm
You’re a liberal who likely voted for Clinton, Obama and possibly John Edwards.
No, no and no.
Thank you for playing though. Vanna has some lovely parting gifts—including a lifetime supply of Rice-A-Roni, The San Francisco Treat!
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
6:11 pm
Scout@6:03 pm
I asked myself the same question.
Sad and disgusting.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
6:11 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight ! :
My dad can whip your dad !
Scout
December 28th, 2010
6:13 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common:
………. and no one in the judcial system will be held accountable for the blood on their hands. How do they look themselves in the mirror?
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
6:13 pm
Scout…. do we have to review the perps records and the convictions, time served and other facts. Sorry if I dont jump on the “any criminal must be locked up forever for any crime” bandwagon. As for his family, nice emotional play but there are unfortunately plenty of families losing loved ones because of crimes including texting while driving. I am sorry that any state trooper or anyone loses their lives to any criminal or stupid act. Generic statements and rants are just not useful in any way.
RW-(the original)
December 28th, 2010
6:14 pm
conspiracy theory and go plumb off the deep end…as we saw last p.m.
josef,
Was that the Sootherism conspiracy theory or our Reptilian one?
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:15 pm
good fight…
In my opinion both truthers and birthers have gotten bitten by the conspiracy bug…
Scout
December 28th, 2010
6:15 pm
Keep up the good fight ! :
………. add yourself to the mirror analogy.
Del
December 28th, 2010
6:15 pm
Most recent polls continue to show that a majority disapprove of President Obama. I think that the majority of those who disapprove are not so much concerned with his birth certificate as they are his failure to focus on the priorities of this country instead of his own ideological agenda. His arrogance, narcissism and disregard for the peoples will have been his trade mark.
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
6:15 pm
Scout, why is it that your response to a point/counter-point with words is violence? The last resort when you have clearly lost?
Adam
December 28th, 2010
6:17 pm
The “feeling” that something is wrong with President Obama, that he doesn’t deserve to be president, and finding any excuse to make that a practical possibility despite evidence… it really is all about racism. Now I’m nto saying everyone is racist who is now against the president. I’m only saying those that believe that Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. fervently, despite ANY evidence ever presented, are redirecting there because they have a deep seated hatred of the man, and that is motivated by a visceral racism that few will admit to and it’s doubtful they even know themselves well enough to know that’s what’s happening. My mom claims she’s not a racist, but she does and says things all the time that show she still believes black people are inferior in some way. The same is true of MANY people in the south. Not all, but many. It’s fairly obvious when you pay attention to what people say and do when they think they’re not being watched.
I’m not saying all this to “pull the race card,” I’m just calling it like I see it. I am, btw, a white, straight male. I don’t have to be black or gay to have the stance on the issues that I do.
So I stand by my statement. The “feeling” that something is wrong (with relation to Obama’s birth) is motivated by racism.
Jay
December 28th, 2010
6:17 pm
Not quite Josef. I voted for Gerald Ford over Carter (and proudly so.)
But Reagan took the Republican Party — what I viewed at the time as my natural party — where I could not go. “Supply-side economics,” for example, seemed to me an insult to voters’ intelligence, and I also could not accept the party’s increasing alliance with social conservatives. So at the presidential level, it’s been Democrats ever since.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:17 pm
RW
The Sootherian, of course. There’s evidence to back up the reptilian one. Bada told me in confidence…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
6:18 pm
RW-(the original)
Was that the Sootherism conspiracy theory or our Reptilian one?
——————
I liked the reptilian one the best
Bulldawg
December 28th, 2010
6:19 pm
Palin won’t run, she has to much fun keeping the main stream media running for cover. Newt has to much baggage. George Washington is about to announce, The Republican nominee is Herman Cain. America is tired of the Kings and Queens who think it’s their turn to run the country and then came the store clerk and look where that got us, it’s time for a real American, one who listens to the People so get to know him before you say no because it’s time to raise a little Cain……..
http://www.weeklyrepublic.com
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
6:19 pm
So I stand by my statement.
Good for you. Don’t be shamed or guilt-ed into retractions.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
6:20 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
December 28th, 2010
6:05 pm
————————————————
GW Bush may not be an intellectual but he is smart.
While Karl Rove is given credit for GW’s success,
you must remember who employed who. He beat
an incumbent VP in a very unconvential way. His
use of the Clinton Surplus to reduce taxes was
brilliant from a political standpoint but disastrous
for the US debt situation. I saw no opponent that
could have beaten him for the second term.
Cunning beats intellect in the Political jungle.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:20 pm
Sorry Jay and thanks for the correction…I knew it was a GOP’er…somehow I just don’t have you fixed in mind as old enough to have voted for Ford! Again, my apologies and whew! I’m relieved to hear that! I didn’t vote for Ford myself, but of all the presidents in my lifetime, he’s the one I respect the most…
Del
December 28th, 2010
6:21 pm
Adam, if you’re saying that the opposition to Obama is really all about racism, you’re branding a lot of Americans as racists.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
6:24 pm
Jay how did you vote for Pres. in ‘72?
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:24 pm
And Adam I would posit that your determination that this is somehow Southern puts you in the same visceral category only with a different target group…
Adam
December 28th, 2010
6:24 pm
Kamchak: Maybe not guilted into retraction. But I did feel a need to explain why I believed that. I also have some thoughts on the Assange rape case but I’ll save that for when it comes up.
RW-(the original)
December 28th, 2010
6:25 pm
That would mean voting for…
Carter in 1980
Mondale in 1984
Dukakis in 1988
Clinton in 1992 & 1996
Gore in 2000
Kerry in 2004
& Obama in 2008
Yikes!
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
6:25 pm
Del, a lot of americans are racists. They may not be KKK members, they may not wear sheets but they still believe that the white race is superior or they base reactions on sterotypes and prejudice. To some extend studies have shown that a great number of “white people” may have hidden stereotypes and prejudices. That should be acknowledged.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:26 pm
common sense
The election of 1976
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
6:26 pm
A broken condom is rape?
RW-(the original)
December 28th, 2010
6:27 pm
somehow I just don’t have you fixed in mind as old enough to have voted for Ford!
josef,
That’s because of these ancient pictures he uses. Go to his Twitter page and you won’t think he was old enough to vote for Kerry.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
6:28 pm
Josef, Common Sense- all conspiracy theories in the US
are silly. No one here could keep a secret long enough for
one to get off the ground. The entire country is like a small
town bar…..
Fred
December 28th, 2010
6:28 pm
Even when my leanings were more Republican, (while still being an independent), i didn’t like Newt. I loved the three books he wrote on the civil war (alternate history type, Lee follows Longstreets advise and avoids the debacle at Gettysburg), but not him as a President. Hell, I didn’t like him as my representative………..
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:30 pm
Okay, folks, since when are racists white?
Racism is not bound to one group and in the black white dichotomy so feverishly perpetrated by those with a vested interest in keeping it there effectively keeps the red, brown and yellow–an mixtures there of–shut up and on the side…
Adam
December 28th, 2010
6:30 pm
Del, josef, you miss what I am saying. First, no it’s not ALL opposition, just opposition that has this “feeling” that has nothing to do with policy, that Obama shouldn’t be president – people who believe wholeheartedly that Obama was born in an African country, that he’s anti-colonialist (and this is somehow a bad thing). People who HATE him as well as all of the above. That reduces the segment.
And no, it’s not JUST people in the south. But racism is more rampant in the south, because it is STILL socially accepted in certain circles. Please be aware I grew up in the south and have lived here for most of my life. I’m not speaking as some sort of outsider on this. But had I not experienced other areas of the world and the country, perhaps I would not recognize the racism when I see it.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
6:33 pm
Keep up: I should have said when it comes up without my prompting
Scout
December 28th, 2010
6:33 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight ! :
………. my dog can whip your dog.
fastaire
December 28th, 2010
6:33 pm
This goes right along with the 2008 prediction that the Democrat Party is going to be the majority in Congress for the next 40 years.
Jay
December 28th, 2010
6:33 pm
Del writes:
“Most recent polls continue to show that a majority disapprove of President Obama….”
However, most recent polls DON’T show that.
NBC poll: Positive 48, Negative 38
Bloomberg: Favorable 52, Unfavorable 44
McClatchy: Favorable 47, Unfavorable 49
AP: Favorable 55, Unfavorable 44.
Source: http://pollingreport.com/obama_fav.htm
On job performance, as opposed to favorable/unfavorable, the numbers are lower. But even there, only one of the last 15 national polls report a disapproval rating of above 50 percent, and that was Fox at 51 percent.
Source: http://pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm
In the two major tracking polls, Rasmussen has disapproval at 51 percent; Gallup at 48 percent.
The thrill is Gone
December 28th, 2010
6:35 pm
Scout—————-You ask——————-
Therefore, the question I propose is not “why” this sociopath did what he did but why he was “free” to to it ?
I ask————–why bother someone over a broken headlight? No other country has the interaction with law enforcement like America does. The technology is available for photos and mailing appropriate fines. It is a different world now and people are getting tired of being harrassed.
We should keep the interaction between the public and law enforcement to a minimum. It makes for a better and less violent world. It is not going to get any better.
Yes, it is tragic.
More so, in that the officer died over a blown headlamp.
Alvin Green Cousin
December 28th, 2010
6:35 pm
Well! Palin and Newt can run on my presidental ticket in South Carolina and still lose to a out of work Black man again!
Robert M. Simon
December 28th, 2010
6:35 pm
If this country can elect a corrupt,authoritarian Far Left dunce like Obama,it can elect someone like Palin who has basic common sense.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
6:36 pm
Question:
What would you call a person who believes their race is genetically superior to another?
Think on that ……… I’ll be back later.
Jay
December 28th, 2010
6:37 pm
For the record, I’m 54.
Paul
December 28th, 2010
6:38 pm
Common Sense 6:24
The 1972 election between Nixon and McGovern is one I cite as a classic test:
does one vote for a candidate who tells the populace what they want to hear, but who one thinks is dishonest, or
does one vote for a candidate who tells the populace what he thinks (tells the truth), even if one disagrees with what he says?
Scout
December 28th, 2010
6:38 pm
The Thrill is Gone:
………. and sometimes they murder when stealing $10 from a convenience store.
………. sorry, you have to add yourself to the mirror analogy now.
Fred
December 28th, 2010
6:38 pm
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
6:25 pm
Del, a lot of americans are racists. They may not be KKK members, they may not wear sheets but they still believe in Black Power. They still believe in Reparations. They still believe that everything a white man says is a lie. They still believe that’s it’s ok to rob, cheat, or murder a white man. They still believe that BET, and TV1 are OK, they love the trumpet awards and the Miss Black USA pageant, but would pull the race card if there was a white Miss USA pageant. Or an entertainment award for whites only. Let’s not even go into a White entertainment channel or a magazine called IVORY.
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there, I fixed your post.
The race card is old and tired. It’s marked. Everyone knows the marks. It’s time to retire it from the deck…………..
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
6:39 pm
President Obama has squandered one thing. Money.
To improve his perception he should have sent out
a lump sum check instead of varying the payroll
deductions. Nothing raises approval like a check
in the mail. He should have learned that from GW.
Paul
December 28th, 2010
6:40 pm
Keep Up 6:25
“Del, a lot of americans are racists. They may not be KKK members, they may not wear sheets but they still believe that the white race is superior”
same holds true for nonCaucasians -
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
6:40 pm
Scout…don’t even try dogs….mine help vets and others around the world live better lives. Over 90 commands and have saved the lives of numerous recipients. I have spent almost every day for 6 years working with dogs who improve the lifes of others. My own opinion is that your value is not half of what one of my dogs is worth to the lives of the recipient. Dogs judge on what is important not appearance or stereotypes…they make a difference in this world.
Have a milkbone and chill.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:41 pm
Adam
More rampant in the South? If you are trapped in the black-white dichotomy, of course, this is where the black and white people lived…other races, not so much and in fact the South has led the nation in those areas–brown, red, and yellow. And elsewhere? Good L-rd man, go try being an Indian in the ever-so-liberal and ever-so-white Pacific Northwest…go try being a latino in Arizona or California…
Robert M. Simon
December 28th, 2010
6:41 pm
I’d call someone who believes their race is superior to others a liberal black or Hispanic.Definitely a Democrat….
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
6:42 pm
Obama is a U.S. citizen, but he still is not an American.
Del
December 28th, 2010
6:42 pm
Keep up the good fight, If studies have shown that White people generally speaking harbor racist inclinations you would be hard pressed to find one of them that explains the civil rights act, racial desegregation in the South and the election of Obama. Those events wouldn’t have been possible without White cooperation. BTW…do you believe that there is no such thing as a black person, Hispanic or Asian whose a racist?
Paul
December 28th, 2010
6:42 pm
josef nix 6:30
I shoulda waited until I read your eloquent posting and not posted anything… point made.
One of the first girls I liked in jr high – couldn’t go to her house ’cause here parents didn’t want her dating any Anglos -
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
6:43 pm
Fred…you poor poor persecuted white male majority.
Doggone/GA
December 28th, 2010
6:44 pm
“No one here could keep a secret long enough for one to get off the ground”
I think it was the Russians who believed that 2 people could hatch a plot, three could keep the secret, but if there are 4 or more – at least one person will spill the secret
The thrill is Gone
December 28th, 2010
6:44 pm
Scout
As long as Policeman keep stopping people for stupid reasons,(headlights,tail-lights,tag-lights,etc….)
when they have the technology to photo and bill accordingly,
then policemen will continue to die needlessly.
Unless of course, if it is a revenue or quota issue.
Paul
December 28th, 2010
6:45 pm
Hi Doggone/GA!!
What did the puppers get from Santa?
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:45 pm
JAY
Damn! 54? You don’t look it and that’s not cheap flattery…and it’s not judging from your photos…you must not have had the same fun I did back when!
Del
December 28th, 2010
6:46 pm
Jay, well Real Clear politics doesn’t support you assertion nor does the poll that really counts, which was taken last month.
Gordon
December 28th, 2010
6:46 pm
Jay,
Who won the contest to pick the outcome of the election? I think lunch at Manuel’s with you was on the line. It was probably reported, but I missed it.
Doggone/GA
December 28th, 2010
6:49 pm
Hi Paul “What did the puppers get from Santa?”
Cheap tasty dog food! I know that sounds bad, but those soft/moist foods are top drawer stuff to them!
Fred
December 28th, 2010
6:49 pm
Adam
December 28th, 2010
6:30 pm
And no, it’s not JUST people in the south. But racism is more rampant in the south, because it is STILL socially accepted in certain circles.
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I like you bro, but that is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read. It’s stuff like that which led me to inquire about your age.
Or maybe not. If you are talking about the racism blacks have towards whites, then I stand corrected. But if you aren’t, I would suggest you look into Idaho, Minnesota, Illinois, The Dakota’s (both north and south), Wisconsin, Wyoming, Maine, and Indiana.
If you are talking about racism against racists other than blacks, I would also include California, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Kansas.
Just damn.
Jay
December 28th, 2010
6:49 pm
No, not the SAME fun, Josef.
But I had my share and a bit of somebody else’s share too.
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
6:50 pm
yes, there are some non-caucasians who have prejudices against whites. Frankly, some have survived the violence directed at them in the 60s, the busing of the 70s and worse. There will always be fringes in each group and race. But the sudden white persecution syndrome claims and the claims that racism is past is utter nonsense.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
6:50 pm
barking frog@6:28 pm
Josef, Common Sense- all conspiracy theories in the US
are silly. No one here could keep a secret long enough for
one to get off the ground. The entire country is like a small
town bar…..
______________________________
How about this theory then Harry Callahan and LBB are the love children of Barack Obama and Sarah Palin.
Raised in the frozen north and were forced to hunt ilk from a young age.
It turned them bitter to their true father Pres. Barack Obama
Fred
December 28th, 2010
6:50 pm
LOL Jonix, you beat me to it.
Jay
December 28th, 2010
6:52 pm
Actually, Del, RealClearPolitics backs me up as well:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
Mick
December 28th, 2010
6:52 pm
Jay – just substitute 54 and who knows how much more into the lyrics of this great song-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQoJ5Qbjx_4
For the record, I’m right on your heels at 52, we kinda went through the same time warp..
Adam
December 28th, 2010
6:52 pm
josef: That’s fair. The Hispanic population gets a bad rap in areas outside of the south like you mentioned. And yes Native Americans have persecution as well. So fair point.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:53 pm
PAUL
And then there’s the “what kind of” this, that or the other. I may have posted this before, but back when I was still trying to come to terms, I was smitten by a certain female…beautiful green eyes, long luxurious blond hair with just the right amount of darker streaks to make it true blonde, ivory complexion needing no make-up, wit, charm, intelligence…how I ever got the nerve to ask her out, I’ll never know, but I did. “I can’t go out with you,” she told me, “my Daddy won’t let me date white boys.” A gens de couleur, her Daddy wouldn’t let her date black boys either…
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
6:54 pm
Del, you confuse overt racism with subconscious issues and matters. There are a great number of white people who try to intellectually overcome matters but who unknowingly react differently to an unknown white male on a dark street than they would an unknown black male. You can argue all you want but the studies are there.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
6:54 pm
Fred: I did speak to the point of “other than blacks” but your attempt to reverse the subject of black-white racism to suggest that blacks racist in the south and whites are not is just not true.
Fred
December 28th, 2010
6:55 pm
Jay: I thought you missed my email LOL since you didn’t reply. I still have the question: Am I good with French bashing?
Call IT
December 28th, 2010
6:55 pm
All I know is they would be better than the Socialist Racist that we have in the White House now. Calling the Eagles to say thanks for giving Vick a second chance, OMG! The only reason that Barry did that is the fact that the loser is Black. What a freakin endorsement!!!! I’m glad he will be gone in 2012!!!!
Enough Said!!!!
Fred
December 28th, 2010
6:55 pm
Adam: Prove it. I experience it every day.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:56 pm
JAY
Well, SOME of the same fun! Different plumbing, but same fun!
Del
December 28th, 2010
6:56 pm
Jay, thank you for proving my point, however, some friendly advise…you may want to get an eye exam. 2.7 was in the red.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
6:57 pm
…Real Clear politics doesn’t support you assertion…
There’s your sign.
Fred
December 28th, 2010
6:58 pm
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
6:43 pm
Fred…you poor poor persecuted white male majority.
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Keep, you poor over tired oppressed “minority.” You are just mad that the “single mom” has usurped your sacred cow position. Argue a point on something other than race. I dare you. Oh wait, you can’t. It’s your sole excuse for your failures……….
Del
December 28th, 2010
6:59 pm
Keep up the good fight!, you still haven’t explained historical facts. Suppositions prove nothing.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
6:59 pm
Fred
French bashing? Viens t’en, mon ami, viens t’en!
Paul
December 28th, 2010
7:01 pm
Doggone/GA
Somehow, when it comes to your four-legged friends, I’ve a feeling every day is Christmas for them at your house.
Keep up
“But the sudden white persecution syndrome claims and the claims that racism is past is utter nonsense.”
Now that is a very good point. No one wants to be left out, eh?
josef nix
Her loss…..
Your description reminded me of an exchange student who visited our high school for a couple weeks (part of the same group as the French communist I was so smitten with…. not only was she really good looking in an early version punk sort of way, she was smart ! Anyhow, this girl was from Iceland, lonnnng blonde hair, when she walked down the hallway boys and girls would stop and stare. So did the teachers.
And she was one of the nicest, most down to earth 16-year olds you’d ever met -
Jay
December 28th, 2010
7:01 pm
bien sur, Fred
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
7:01 pm
Jay – I am the same age as you and remember when you came to Atlanta all those years ago LOL
Jay
December 28th, 2010
7:03 pm
Or Del, perhaps you should invest in a dictionary. The standard you set was MAJORITY, meaning greater than 50 percent.
Jay
December 28th, 2010
7:04 pm
And Common, I came to Atlanta as a young man and will leave it … well, as not.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
7:05 pm
Mick
@ 6:52
Has Sooth seen that?
Matti
December 28th, 2010
7:05 pm
… but who unknowingly react differently to an unknown white male on a dark street than they would an unknown black male…
This white girl doesn’t trust either of them! But I do have something in common with black men: discrimination by white men. Statistics also show that I am more likely to be brutally assaulted and murdered by a white man, as rape occurs more often within the same racial groups, and I am more likely to be murdered by a boyfriend or husband than a stranger. Just sayin’. (Off for a dinner date, y’all. If I don’t make it back, blame the white guy!)
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
7:06 pm
Jay – post your original picture on the blog for grins all around
Adam
December 28th, 2010
7:06 pm
Fred: You experience 1) that no whites are racist and 2) that all blacks are racist?
Mick
December 28th, 2010
7:06 pm
OK – guys aren’t afraid to say their age, so here’s a few guesses:
Josef – 57
SoCo – 39
Amvet – 55
Scout – 63
Del – 65
Paul – 47
Kamchak – 51
Hillbilly deluxe – 57
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
7:08 pm
Mick
I wish I was still 51.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
7:08 pm
PAUL…
Papa DID allow us to be friends, though. So long as I spoke French!
Fred
December 28th, 2010
7:08 pm
@Jay 7:01: Thanks
@Jonix 6:59: I can’t respond to that without admitting that I can speak and read that vile tongue, so I must say: No comment. (Come of, my friend, come you in
)
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
7:08 pm
Fred… you make no sense.
Del…the fact that someone says logically and emotionally that the separate but equal was not morally nor legally correct does not mean that while they are not overt racists and that they cannot overcome conscious overt thoughts does not mean that they have not some internal stereotypical fears. The fact that a great number of white people supported the civil rights movement does not mean that no whites are racist or that there are not subtle racial issues deep inside that they can for the most part surpress and may not realize are even there. Most people can acknowledge certain biases. So your defense that whites supporting the civils rights movement is proof that racism was at end is just nonsensical.
Del
December 28th, 2010
7:09 pm
Okay Jay, let me fix that and say most polled were unfavorable towards Obama. Most of the voters repudiated the Democrats in last months mid-term election. I believe Mr. Obama is a Democrat, so it’s a reasonable assumption that he too was repudiated. There now, is that better?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
7:09 pm
LBB = 12, Harry Callahan=14
Mick
December 28th, 2010
7:10 pm
Kamchak
Remember, age is only a measurement of time……that was once a great pickup line if the lady was older….but I still think it has value…
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
7:10 pm
FRED
Nope. “Bring it on!” (i.e. come on!)
Paul
December 28th, 2010
7:10 pm
Mick
Bless you, my child -
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
7:11 pm
Mick
I like this line better: You’re only as old as the women you feel.
Del
December 28th, 2010
7:11 pm
Keep up the good fight! Again you’re only making a supposition against a majority of Americans.
Fred
December 28th, 2010
7:12 pm
Adam
December 28th, 2010
7:06 pm
Fred: You experience 1) that no whites are racist and 2) that all blacks are racist?
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How in the HELL did you infer that from what I posted? Please explain. It will help me to understand your (lack of) thought process so I can better respond to you in the future. Because right now, I can’t logically put together what I said with the post of yours I just quoted. It defies my comprehension……..
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
7:12 pm
Mick
Will be in June…
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
7:12 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
December 28th, 2010
6:50 pm
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Truth is not necessarily a theory, nor a conspiracy.
Jay
December 28th, 2010
7:13 pm
actually, no Del. You made your problem worse. “Most” is considerably more than a majority. “Most” implies at least 70 percent to 75 percent.
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
7:14 pm
Del…. I disagree. I am not making a supposition. I am capsulizing scientific study but I know the right does not truly believe in science. So let’s be clear. It is not my position that most of the white race is overtly racist in any way. There is a minority of the white race that is overtly racist. There is a significant portion of the white race that has subconscious race issues and for the most part struggles to overcome it when consciously aware of it. Your mileage may vary.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
7:15 pm
FRED
Silly Boy, don’t you get it only whites can be racists…blacks can’t be racists against Indians, latinos can’t be racists against Asians…man, you need to keep up with the memos…
Fred
December 28th, 2010
7:16 pm
Jonix: Sorry, I’m a little rusty. I do my best to forget that language lol. Although I loved it in the Bayou’s. Maybe that’s why my translation is a bit off………
Adam
December 28th, 2010
7:17 pm
Well Fred, I said that you reversed the situation and suggested that blacks are racist and whites are not, and I said that’s not true. Your next reply was “Prove it. I experience it every day.” Now I admit, maybe that wasn’t what you replied to. If so, I don’t know what you replied to. But that’s what my next reply was based on.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
7:17 pm
No, Jay, most can be a plurality…20%, 20%, 20% and 40%…of the responders said…most is the 40%…
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
7:19 pm
If we had not always been racists there would be no races.
Del
December 28th, 2010
7:20 pm
Jay, no it’s not my problem it’s Obama’s problem and presumably your problem since you’re evidently one of his staunch supporters. I’ll let you enjoy whatever delusion makes you feel better as I’m going to raid the refrigerator for Christmas dinner leftovers. Later
Mick
December 28th, 2010
7:20 pm
josef
Born in the rockin 50″s, come of age in the experimental 60’s, get confused and go disco dancing in the 70’s, get serious in the 80’s, grind out in the 90’s, ________ in the new millenium ..
Paul
December 28th, 2010
7:22 pm
josef nix
Friend of my parents is part Indian – not sure the tribe. Anyhow, she became seriously ill and went to Oklahoma for medical treatment at the Indian Health Service. She sat down in the waiting room and a couple women near her got up and moved to the opposite side of the room. Parents’ friend asked them why. Their response? “We don’t sit with half-breeds.”
The uglier sides of the human condition know no boundaries -
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
7:23 pm
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
7:17 pm
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as in , he got the most votes, could be 2 of 3.
T Rizzi
December 28th, 2010
7:23 pm
It’s always nice to read an article with a glimmer of hope. I don’t think you can totally eliminate either of these characters however. If someone like Nathan Deal can win here in Georgia there is hope for these 2 individuals.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
7:25 pm
Mick at what point do we burn out a majority of our brain cells?
With some of the rants here I would say at birth LOL
Fred
December 28th, 2010
7:25 pm
@Jay and Del: I can’t find the post you two are arguing about, but I saw something the other day that made me think, and I will poorly paraphrase. Jay will understand but I doubt Del will.
The Republicans are saying that “the will of the people have spoken and we need to follow it” after a slight majority voted republican in the mid term elections. However, a HUGE majority of people spoke during the last major election (that of president) and the Republicans didn’t listen.
If the Democrats are now supposed to sit down and STFU after teh slight gain the Republicans just got, then why weren’t the Repulicans expected to sit down and STFU after the HUGE gains the democrats got in the major elections?
Just wondering. Of course I think BOTH parties suck. Unfortunately I don’t understand folks like Del who want a return to the policies that drove us into this mess in the first place.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
7:28 pm
Fred
I think that you are laboring under the misapprehension that anyone will sit down and STFU.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
7:29 pm
Paul
December 28th, 2010
7:22 pm
The uglier sides of the human condition know no boundaries -
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I can testify to that from many hungover mornings…
Mick
December 28th, 2010
7:29 pm
common
We have to keep the brain stimulated as opposed to lethargy, some of the rants here have good psychological perspectives on the failure of some adults to move out of adolescence in expressing their viewpoints…
Mick
December 28th, 2010
7:31 pm
fred @7:25
Bingo!!!!
Adam
December 28th, 2010
7:34 pm
Fred: That is an excellent way of looking at the issue of “mandate.” I think the Republicans make a mountain out of a molehill every time they have a majority vote, even if that majority is slim.
Fred
December 28th, 2010
7:35 pm
Del: I’m still a staunch supporter of Obama. The last (and only other) President I was a staunch supporter of was President Bush, the elder. I think both of the two I mentioned were concerned with AMERICA and AMERICANS, not political party affiliation.
I think zig zag Zell was another one. I may be wrong on him though. He seemed to exhibit that in the Senate, but he never had a chance to be President……..
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2010
7:36 pm
So many Americans have been jobless for so long that the government is changing how it records long-term unemployment.
Citing what it calls “an unprecedented rise” in long-term unemployment, the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), beginning Saturday, will raise from two years to five years the upper limit on how long someone can be listed as having been jobless.
They’re all sitting around collecting unemployment, dammit!
Adam
December 28th, 2010
7:36 pm
Kamchak: and there’s the rub. The Republicans really do expect to be given over complete control without any opposition to their policies because “we won fair and square,” neglecting or ignoring the fact that they only have a majority. But when the Democrats win a majority, you don’t hear them getting up and talking about how the American people have spoken and they said DEMOCRATS RULE. Instead you hear stuff like “We will honor our promises to those who voted for us.” It’s much more tame, and doesn’t fit as well on a bumper sticker.
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
7:37 pm
I think AmVet has to be at LEAST 90.
Nobody that cranky all the time is under 70, that’s for sure!
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
7:39 pm
“The Republicans really do expect to be given over complete control without any opposition to their policies because “we won fair and square,” neglecting or ignoring the fact that they only have a majority.”
How many Republicans in Congress have you actually talked with to make such a claim?
Fred
December 28th, 2010
7:39 pm
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
7:28 pm
I think that you are laboring under the misapprehension that anyone will sit down and STFU.
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LOL. What I am really laboring under is the misapprehension that anyone will admit their hypocrisy. That somehow politicians will wake up one day and do what is best for our Country instead of what will gain them more power.
It only hurts when I laugh, yet I laugh all the time…………
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2010
7:40 pm
Corporate profits are up. Stock prices are up. So why isn’t anyone hiring?
Actually, many American companies are — just maybe not in your town. They’re hiring overseas, where sales are surging and the pipeline of orders is fat.
More than half of the 15,000 people that Caterpillar has hired this year were outside the U.S. UPS (UPS) is also hiring at a faster clip overseas. For both companies, sales in international markets are growing at least twice as fast as domestically.
The trend helps explain why unemployment remains high in the United States, edging up to 9.8% last month, even though companies are performing well: All but 4% of the top 500 U.S. corporations reported profits this year, and the stock market is close to its highest point since the 2008 financial meltdown.
But the jobs are going elsewhere. The Economic Policy Institute, a Washington think tank, says American companies have created 1.4 million jobs overseas this year, compared with less than 1 million in the U.S. The additional 1.4 million jobs would have lowered the U.S. unemployment rate to 8.9%, says Robert Scott, the institute’s senior international economist.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
7:41 pm
Mick 7:29 my brain may be lethargic, i had assumed it
was contemplative but lethargism may have been
masquerading as contemplativity….
Mick
December 28th, 2010
7:43 pm
fred
Bush the elder is definately more likable than his son. I didn’t agree with him attacking panama and noriega because of sovereignty. However, the gulf war was done correctly. A hugh coalition and most importantly, it was paid for…..Saddam was exposed as a stooge by having his men in positions on the open desert. Iranian bluster – they fought against saddam for 8 years and lost 500k which ended in a stalemate.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
7:43 pm
Dave R: How many Republicans in Congress have you actually talked with to make such a claim?
When they speak to the American public on TV, repeatedly calling every win a mandate, I consider that as having spoken to them. Because I’m part of the American public. It’s a one way conversation, but at least I know where they stand. They said so!
Mick
December 28th, 2010
7:44 pm
dave r
I’ve got you pegged at 76…
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2010
7:46 pm
The year 2011 will bring Americans a larger and more intrusive police state, more unemployment and home foreclosures, no economic recovery, more disregard by the US government of US law, international law, the Constitution, and truth, more suspicion and distrust from allies, more hostility from the rest of the world, and new heights of media sycophancy.
2011 is shaping up as the terminal year for American democracy. The Republican Party has degenerated into a party of Brownshirts, and voter frustrations with the worsening economic crisis and military occupations gone awry are likely to bring Republicans to power in 2012. With them would come their doctrines of executive primacy over Congress, the judiciary, law, and the Constitution and America’s rightful hegemony over the world.
”Dissent is what rescues democracy from a quiet death behind closed doors.”
—Lewis H. Lapham
Article by Paul Craig Roberts, Assistant Treasury Secretary under Ronald Reagan
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
7:46 pm
More than a score of years too high, Mick. Sorry!
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
7:46 pm
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2010
7:40 pm
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…and LCD TV prices are dropping because the
warehouses are full and no one is buying..either
they can’t or won’t..
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
7:47 pm
PAUL
That blood quantum-citizenship thingie is a big issue in Indian country…less so among the Five “Civilized Tribes” than others, but even there it can get just downright mean…the Mississippi Choctaw require 1/2 and the (I think) the NC Cherokee require 1/8–in Oklahoma it depends on the Dawes roll and while the CDIB card is issued, it doesn’t determine citizenship…an interesting set to came up there over HR 2824 which threatened abrogation of treaties with the US government if the Cherokee Nation did not accept the federal government’s dictates on who is and who is not a citizen accusing the Cherokee of “racism” in not recognizing the descendents of Freedmen who were NOT Dawes Roll signators to the Dawes Roll…said nothing about the several hundred thousand Cherokee, some of whom are full bloods, denied Cherokee citizenship from the fact they are not Dawes Roll signator descendents…again, racism is a black victim thing…
Mick
December 28th, 2010
7:47 pm
dave r
Enlighten me, just how many years is a score anyway?
TnGelding
December 28th, 2010
7:48 pm
Newt should have challenged Bush in 2004. He has a lot of good ideas, but is intellectually dishonest. He says a lot of things he knows aren’t true. Romney should be the nominee, but it will probably be one of the young governors.
Jack
December 28th, 2010
7:49 pm
I’m thinking about running in 2012. All I have to do to win is promise a chicken in every pot.
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
7:51 pm
Remember your Gettysburg Address? Four-score and . . .
A score is 20 years, Mick. I’m only 54 years young. Only halfway to my hoped for life expectancy.
Which means I’ll be bugging the crap out of the libs on this blog for years to come!
Scout
December 28th, 2010
7:52 pm
Mick:
That was good ! 63 !
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2010
7:52 pm
The two greatest visions of a future dystopia were George Orwell’s “1984” and Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World.” The debate, between those who watched our descent towards corporate totalitarianism, was who was right. Would we be, as Orwell wrote, dominated by a repressive surveillance and security state that used crude and violent forms of control? Or would we be, as Huxley envisioned, entranced by entertainment and spectacle, captivated by technology and seduced by profligate consumption to embrace our own oppression? It turns out Orwell and Huxley were both right. Huxley saw the first stage of our enslavement. Orwell saw the second.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
7:52 pm
Mick
Score–20 years
And AmVet…he’s about my age…just a cr*tchety curmudgeon prodigy…
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
7:53 pm
Just think of how many times Adam can be wrong in 50 years.
It boggles the mind. . . .
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
7:53 pm
Jack
December 28th, 2010
7:49 pm
I’m thinking about running in 2012. All I have to do to win is promise a chicken in every pot
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I’m thinking about running in 2012. All I have to do is promise pot.
Might work better.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
7:53 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight ! :
Uh ………….. o.k. ……………. how about my hamster can whip your hamster then?
By the way, if you are so anti-violence why does your handling represent “fighting” ?
Adam
December 28th, 2010
7:55 pm
Dave R: You’re the only one who seems to think I’m wrong as often as you say. I admit to being wrong on occasion, but most of what you call wrong you are either incorrect about, or assessing an opinion as differing from your own, and therefore wrong.
Fred
December 28th, 2010
7:55 pm
Mick
December 28th, 2010
7:43 pm
Bush the elder is definately more likable than his son. I didn’t agree with him attacking panama and noriega because of sovereignty.
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I would think he was trying to “right’ a “wrong” we committed by keeping him in power in the first place (the communist scare thing) so I give him a pass on that one.
You are right about Desert Storm. He did what he said he would do, protect Saudi and remove Saddam from Kuwait. HE at least was smart enough to NOT topple Saddam as he knew what a quagmire that would embroil us in. His son was too stupid to call him and ask his advise before getting us into this debacle.
i never was a big Ronnie Reagan guy and although he DID outspend the USSR into bankruptcy. Nixon was………. well we know what Nixon was. I’m too young to comment on any President before that without consulting history books, but it seems Johnson had a pair. It cost him a second term, but he had the nuts to push the Civil Rights act through. Although he DID expand Viet Nam…….
Mick
December 28th, 2010
7:56 pm
dave r
**I’m only 54 years young.**
I like you take on that. We grew up in the same basic time warp, how is it that your views are so close minded?
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
7:57 pm
Adam
I don’t believe the Democrats to be more noble than their Republican counter parts. I do believe that Democrats are well aware that a href=”http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/us/politics/30purity.html?_r=1″>a purity pledge, like the one proposed by James Bopp Jr., wouldn’t really fly for Dems.
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Fred
Maybe I’m just too jaded, but anyone who votes for a candidate thinking that the job comes first is well—just a naif. Getting money to get re-elected is job 1.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
7:57 pm
Scout 7:53 I take it you have no experience with the
rooster industry…
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
7:57 pm
“You’re the only one who seems to think I’m wrong as often as you say.”
Don’t read the dissenting comments much, do ya?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
7:57 pm
Soothsayer@7:36 pm
Citing what it calls “an unprecedented rise” in long-term unemployment, the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), beginning Saturday, will raise from two years to five years the upper limit on how long someone can be listed as having been jobless.
They’re all sitting around collecting unemployment, dammit!
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Sooth
Unless someone devises a way to count the people that DON’T report to the unemployment office the numbers don’t mean shyt.
Fred
December 28th, 2010
7:57 pm
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
7:52 pm
And AmVet…he’s about my age…just a cr*tchety curmudgeon prodigy…
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Naw, he’s a far left wing fanatic.
Jay
December 28th, 2010
7:58 pm
well damn, josef (and del). I just checked, and you’re right. Who knew (not me!)
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
7:59 pm
Which means I’ll be
buggingboring the crap out of the libs on this blog for years to come!Fixed your typo
Mick
December 28th, 2010
8:01 pm
fred
Even cheney knew there would be a quagmire but that took second place to this little piece of propaganda, *we’re fighting them over there, so we don’t have to fight them over here”. Unfortunately, we have created thousands more who want to bring it over here including some homegrown elements, the dye has been cast for the future because of present day actions…
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:02 pm
JAY
Now maybe we can get to the Late Misunderstanding… Just kidding, just kidding, don’t throw me in the Briar Patch…
FRED
L-rd! If AmVet is far left wing (I won’t argue fanatic
) what does that make ME???
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
8:02 pm
“We grew up in the same basic time warp, how is it that your views are so close minded?”
I’m one of the more open-minded people you’ll ever meet, Mick. There are just some things (like government) that I am not open-minded about. I’ve lived it, studied it, avoided it, served it and fought it for about 35 years. I know what it can do, can’t do, should do and shouldn’t do based on real-life experiences both good and bad.
And I despair when people subject themselves to it, prostrate themselves to it, rely on it and darn near almost worship it.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
8:02 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
December 28th, 2010
7:57 pm
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check the bureau of labor statistics. unemployment numbers
are based on telephone polls to randomly selected households.
Fred
December 28th, 2010
8:03 pm
Jay
December 28th, 2010
7:58 pm
well damn, josef (and del). I just checked, and you’re right. Who knew (not me!)
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Don’t you just HATE when you have to concede a point? I know I do. I’d rather snatch one of my eyes out.
but a real man admits a mistake rather than snatching an eye out…………. as you just did.
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
8:04 pm
Gee, Fred, betwixt you and Harry, I’m gonna get my feelings hurt. (grin)
Dave R, takes a nonagenarian to know one, huh?!
Actually………………………………………
DING! DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!
Mick was correct. 1955. Wichita, Kansas. On Kansas Day, no less.
Lots of Eisenhower era babies here. (When babies were real babies!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaC_cChs6hA
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:04 pm
JAY
Incidentally, that particular math one is on the CRCT! Chile, you’ve just been left behind…!
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
8:05 pm
Soothsayer: But the jobs are going elsewhere.
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Why do you think that is, Sooth?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
8:05 pm
Dave R.@7:51 pm
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Damn Dave, you and Jay are the same age. Twins separated at birth LOL
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
8:05 pm
Kamchak, I may be many things, but boring ain’t one of them.
But then, I don’t rely on drive-by comments to get me through the day.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:06 pm
FRED
Jay’s nothing if he’s not a mensch…
Mick
December 28th, 2010
8:07 pm
dave r@8:02
Good analysis of gov’t on your part. However, many just want good gov’t with promises made, promises kept.
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
8:08 pm
Common @ 8:05: Crap! How does a guy my age have a head of hair like that?
It’s gotta be Photo-shopped . . .
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
8:08 pm
barking frog@7:53 pm
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You bought my vote fair and square
Fred
December 28th, 2010
8:10 pm
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:02 pm
L-rd! If AmVet is far left wing (I won’t argue fanatic
) what does that make ME???
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A queen. But we all know that.
But seriously. You lean to the right, but you aren’t a fanatic from what I have seen you post. I have yet to see you “defending” an illogical point because it’s the party line. I may not agree with you, but I can always see where you are coming from (well except one crucial time) from a logical stand point. What are you?
You are a free thinking American not bound by party line.
Am i wrong?
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
8:10 pm
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:06 pm
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does a bruin poking cause menschopause?
Adam
December 28th, 2010
8:10 pm
Dave R: If I didn’t read dissenting comments I wouldn’t read YOURS.
Kamchak: I didn’t say Democrats were more noble, but definitely more tame. Certainly they don’t have the same kind of UMPH behind their policies and wins. And I was quite disappointed with the malaise all the Democrats in office fell into having lost the House. It was… well.. emo. I’m glad Obama and Reid pulled them out of it.
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2010
8:10 pm
“Why do you think that is, Sooth?”
Because the wages are lower? Oh no, wait! It’s because our corporate taxes are too high. No, wait! It’s because of all the regulation on business. No, wait! It’s because of environmental regulations.
Did I leave out any talking points?
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
8:12 pm
“However, many just want good gov’t with promises made, promises kept.”
The only promise I want from government is to stay out of my business, Mick, as long as I don’t take anyone’s life, liberty or property through the use of force or fraud.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
8:12 pm
Also Fred in case it wasn’t clear before, I posed that question before to really ask in a bad way (sorry) if that’s what you were actually saying. I still have a respect for you as a commenter here.
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2010
8:12 pm
What a bunch of mindless idots on this blog incessantly spouting your “opinions.” Like they really mean squat.
lynnie gal
December 28th, 2010
8:13 pm
The only GOP candidate who has a chance against Obama is Mitt Romney. But he won’t be the GOP candidate because republicans as a whole don’t like him. He’s not southern, he was governor of an intellectually viable state, (Mass.) and he helped that state secure healthcare for their citizens. So, he’s hated by most of the GOP.
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
8:13 pm
Sooth…you left out the best….The Rent is Too Damn High!
Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:13 pm
josef nix
Most interesting reading on the citizenship thing. Lots of people with stuck paradigms won’t have a clue –
Just finishing Ken Follett’s World Without End followup to Pillars of the Earth. You really, really need to read them.
Mick
“I like you take on that. We grew up in the same basic time warp, how is it that your views are so close minded?”
That was a great line!
Hi AmVet
Thanks for the Christmas wishes much earlier. Same to you, too. And… I did so enjoy the Air Force future flyboys smackdown of the Georgia Tech (future whats?) team the other night. ’twas a thing of beauty.
As to my 3:17… I’ve heard of turning the other cheek, but you seem to have had about 12 that you turned. I kept expecting Harry to announce he was leaving for his $12 steak lunch at Golden Corral or whereever…. next time he announces that I’m gonna have to ask what a rich guy tips a $2.35 an hour worker -
James
December 28th, 2010
8:14 pm
You libs are just afraid of a smart conservative!
TGT
December 28th, 2010
8:14 pm
Hot off the presses for you Kamchak (and the rest of the Warmers): Much global warming alarm centers upon concerns that melting glaciers will cause a disastrous sea level rise. A globally viewed December 2005 BBC feature alarmingly reported that two massive glaciers in eastern Greenland, Kangderlugssuaq and Helheim, were melting, with water “racing to the sea.” Commentators urgently warned that continued recession would be catastrophic.
Helheim’s “erratic” behavior reported then was recently recounted again in a dramatic Nov. 13 New York Times article titled “As Glaciers Melt, Science Seeks Data on Rising Seas.” Reporters somehow failed to notice that only 18 months later, and despite slightly warmer temperatures, the melting rate of both glaciers not only slowed down and stopped, but actually reversed. Satellite images revealed that by August 2006 Helheim had advanced beyond its 1933 boundary.
According to two separate NASA studies, one conducted by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and the other by the Langley Research Center, the oceans now appear to be heading into another natural periodic cooling phase within a typical 55- to 70-year dipolar warm/cool pattern. Although Greenland has recently been experiencing a slight warming trend, satellite measurements show that the ice cap has been accumulating snow growth at a rate of about 2.1 inches per year. Temperatures only recently began to exceed those of the 1930s and 1940s when many glaciers were probably smaller than now. (We can’t be certain, because satellites didn’t exist to measure them.)
A recent study conducted by U.S. and Dutch scientists that appeared in the journal Nature Geoscience concluded that previous estimates of Greenland and West Antarctica ice melt rate losses may have been exaggerated by double. Earlier projections apparently failed to account for rebounding changes in the Earth’s crust following the last Ice Age (referred to as “glacial isostatic adjustment”).
Nils-Axel Morner, head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University in Sweden, argues that any concerns regarding rising sea levels are unfounded. “So all this talk that sea level rising, this comes from the computer modeling, not from observations. … The new level, which has been stable, has not changed in the last 35 years. … But they [IPCC] need a rise, because if there is no rise, there is no death threat … if you want a grant for a research project in climatology, it is written into the document that there ‘must’ be a focus on global warming. … That is really bad, because you start asking for the answer you want to get.”
Studies by the International Union for Quaternary Research conclude that some ocean levels have even fallen in recent decades. The Indian Ocean, for example, was higher between 1900 and 1970 than it has been since.
Other world climate alarm bells chimed when it was reported in the media that September 2007 satellite images revealed that the Northwest Passage–a sea route between the U.K. and Asia across the top of the Arctic Circle–had opened up for the first time in recorded history. (This “recorded history” dates back only to 1979 when satellite monitoring first began, and it should also be noted that the sea route froze again just a few months later (winter 2007-2008).
The Northwest Passage has certainly opened up before. Diary entries of a sailor named Roald Amundson confirm clear passage in 1903, as do those of a Royal Canadian Mounted Police Arctic patrol crew that made regular trips through there in the early 1940s. And in February 2009 it was discovered that scientists had previously been underestimating the re-growth of Arctic sea ice by an area larger than the state of California (twice as large as New Zealand). The errors were attributed to faulty sensors on the ice.
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Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:15 pm
Fred
“Don’t you just HATE when you have to concede a point? I know I do. I’d rather snatch one of my eyes out. ”
Why on earth would that be? Seems to me it indicates there isn’t more to learn……
Adam
December 28th, 2010
8:15 pm
For the love of God TGT, would you please only post the link if you want the entire article to be read, instead of copy/paste.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
8:16 pm
Paul: The short answer is human nature. No one likes to be wrong.
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
8:16 pm
“And… I did so enjoy the Air Force future flyboys smackdown of the Georgia Tech (future whats?) team the other night.”
As a former flyboy myself, I too enjoyed the win, Paul. But let’s not rub it in too much; after all, some of those engineers might be designing the next generation airplanes those future flyboys will be strapped to . . .
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
8:16 pm
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
8:12 pm
as long as I don’t take anyone’s life, liberty or property through the use of force or fraud.
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Unfortunately, this puts government square in the middle of
your business and everyone else’s.
Fred
December 28th, 2010
8:17 pm
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
8:04 pm
Gee, Fred, betwixt you and Harry, I’m gonna get my feelings hurt. (grin)
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No you won’t. I love that about you. you are a far right wing fanatic AND YOU ADMIT IT.
You are what you are and you don’t lie about it. Too many of the right wing fanatics lie about, (too many of the left wing fanatics as well for that matter). I wish you were a bit more open minded at times, but I respect you for who you ARE, not who I wish you were.
Del
December 28th, 2010
8:17 pm
Fred,
It’s certainly alright at least with me that you’re an Obama supporter. I’m not, and of course that’s probably well known on here. I wouldn’t want this country to ever become one of singular political thought as we would then turn into what our founding fathers would never have wanted us to become and what god men have given their lives to prevent.
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2010
8:18 pm
There’s Dave R. who still has his job so he’s against anything that might help someone less fortunate than he. That is until he loses his job. Then he’ll be all in favor of extending unemployment.
Then there’s Little Barry Bailout. who can’t sleep nights and whose life is absolute torture because a Democrat–especially a nagger–won the White House. Whose life revolves around somehow returning to the “good old days” under King Dumb Ass.
Or how about Scout and Del who, since serving in the armed forces imagine that they are near deities who are somehow blessed with near prophesorial insight.
Let me think a little more.
Del
December 28th, 2010
8:18 pm
correction on my last…good men have given their lives to prevent.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
8:19 pm
Some people want government to make fewer promises. Fewer promises made by government equates to fewer taxpayer dollars thrown down various black holes and fewer losses of our freedoms.
Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:20 pm
Adam
“Paul: The short answer is human nature. No one likes to be wrong.”
Seems to me that’s more of an ego problem. If all people are concerned with is being ‘right’ then how on earth is new knowledge obtained?
Mick
December 28th, 2010
8:20 pm
dave r
What I want out of gov’t is to protect american interests home and abroad. Trade policy that helps american workers, helps america produce goods again – I believe in mercantilism. I want gov’t to strengthen social security and medicare. High speed rail, let’s get in the game and innovate with interstate connections. Those are a few..
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
8:21 pm
“Unfortunately, this puts government square in the middle of
your business and everyone else’s.”
Frog, IF I do such as I mentioned above, then it is certainly government’s prerogative and mission to intervene on the aggrieved party’s behalf.
But if I do NOT do the above mentioned things, it should be my right to have no government interference whatsoever in my life.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
8:21 pm
Sooth, you should be ashamed of yourself for using the “N” word.
Racist.
Del
December 28th, 2010
8:21 pm
Soothsayer, I most certainly agree, you should think a little more.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
8:22 pm
Paul: New knowledge is obtained through the knowledge that you don’t know everything, and you have to set your ego aside for that sometimes. Of course sometimes your ego gets slapped down HARD and then you either have to admit you don’t know everything and change your mind about something, or you’ll remain bitter about it instead. The former takes much less energy.
Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:23 pm
Dave R
“But let’s not rub it in too much; after all, some of those engineers might be designing the next generation airplanes those future flyboys will be strapped to . ”
Okay, I can accept the AF Academy football players can go on to fly jets and do all sorts of whiz-bang stuff.
But are you really making the point the Georgia Tech football players are going for engineering degrees to design future-generation weapons systems?
‘xcuse me while I duck to avoid the incoming fire….
TGT
December 28th, 2010
8:23 pm
Adam: Yeah, my bad, a little more than I meant to paste.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
8:23 pm
barking frog@8:02 pm
check the bureau of labor statistics. unemployment numbers
are based on telephone polls to randomly selected households.
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Yep, random calling is such a sure way to count the number of unemployed. Glad we don’t do elections that way (except Fl. that is ) LOL
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:24 pm
barking
Has he been having premenschtral stress today?
Fred…
Nanh, I don’t lean right…not politically anyway…my politics are left…my philosophy is liberal…it’s just that sometimes the right is more liberal than it wants to admit…
PAUL
Few people are aware that the Indigenous Americans are the only “race” in the country who have to “prove it.” A Black, an Asian, a Latino can get the “goodies” that go with it simply by saying that’s what they are…the Indigenous have to present the CDIB or enrollment card…if that’s not racism, I’d like to know what it is…
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
8:24 pm
Fred, If AmVet is a far right wing fanatic then my left
foot needs to wear my right shoe and that would be wrong.
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2010
8:25 pm
All you Righties on this blog are nothing more than a bunch of self-serving hypocrites, who, faced with any real adversity in life would run crying to your Mothers. You are secure in your little jobs (at least for now) so your only real worry is keeping everyone away from your tax dollars except the military. You make me sick to my stomach! Rather than spew your pompous, self-righteous drivel, you should pray that God doesn’t find it time to humble you.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
8:25 pm
Why not answer the question, Sooth? Why do you think American companies are creating more jobs overseas than at home?
Is it because of our awesome business environment? Low taxes? Highly educated populace? Friendly labor unions? Predictable regulatory environment? Stable federal government? Absence of litigation abuse? Shortage of lawyers?
Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:25 pm
Adam
“Of course sometimes your ego gets slapped down HARD and then you either have to admit you don’t know everything and change your mind about something,”
Well, all I’ll say to that is, I was wrong, once. It was the time I thought I’d made a mistake…
Fred
December 28th, 2010
8:25 pm
Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:13 pm
Just finishing Ken Follett’s World Without End
===========================
thank you. Pillars of the earth is one of my top 100 books. I didn’t know there was a follow up. now I do and I’ll have to read it. Maybe it will be as good as Leon Uris’s follow up to Trinity, Redemption.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
8:27 pm
barking frog: yeah I kind of thought AmVet was more left leaning…. Either that or I really agree with the far right more than I thought.
Fred
December 28th, 2010
8:27 pm
Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:15 pm
Fred
“Don’t you just HATE when you have to concede a point? I know I do. I’d rather snatch one of my eyes out. ”
Why on earth would that be? Seems to me it indicates there isn’t more to learn……
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Nice selective quoting. With editing, one can make another say ANYTHING right?
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
8:27 pm
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
8:21 pm
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But Dave the Government has to be sure you are not
doing any of those things and thus the door is opened….
Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:27 pm
josef nix 8:24
That is one of those “WOW” posts.
Mind-boggling, too.
Everyone can say “this is what I am” and whoever challenges them is slapped down.
But when it comes to being an Indian, it’s ‘prove it’!
Just… wow….
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2010
8:28 pm
“Because the wages are lower? ” Dumbasses can’t read.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
8:28 pm
Sooth, I have to admit that I am having trouble managing my money lately. It just keeps piling up and I don’t know what to do with it.
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
8:28 pm
“There’s Dave R. who still has his job so he’s against anything that might help someone less fortunate than he. That is until he loses his job. Then he’ll be all in favor of extending unemployment.”
You know, Sooth, every now and then you come up with the most ill-conceived comments on this blog. The above is one of them.
For your information, Sooth, I have been unemployed more than once in my lifetime. On the rare occasions that I was unable to secure multiple part-time jobs in order to bring in money, I never once even considered applying for unemployment benefits. I have never taken welfare. I never took advantage of the V.A. loan I was entitled to use from serving in the military, because I felt that only those who served in combat deserved that hand up.
In short, Sooth, I’ve never taken a dime of money from the government that I didn’t earn in salary or benefits when I served government.
Now, do you have any more stoopid things to write about me?
Adam
December 28th, 2010
8:29 pm
LBB: Why do you think American companies are creating more jobs overseas than at home?
I’ll answer this one. It is because, above all other considerations, it is much cheaper to hire a labor force in certain other countries. It really has very little to do with taxes, especially since the same company that can actually afford to ship the jobs overseas are more than capable of minimizing their U.S. tax output.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:29 pm
PAUL
I’m with you on that shown to be in error thing and still learning…why just tonight I found out I was wrong on Jay voting for Reagan and was happy, happy, happy…I was holding that against him all this time…
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
8:30 pm
Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:25 pm
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You too?
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
8:30 pm
I didn’t say Democrats were more noble, but definitely more tame.
Yeah I got that , but I don’t necessarily believe “tame” is the right word as I believe Dems to be just as feral as their counter parts. It’s the not walking in lock step that a purity pledge would accomplish that is lacking in the Dems. I don’t vote Dem because I think it’s the “right” thing to do, I vote my self interest—just like everyone else. I’ve been working in the construction biz since the Carter administration, and despite the pearl-clutching and couch-fainting over the interest rates during the Carter years, it’s only been during Republican administrations that I had layoffs and lost work. The old timers back in the 70s and 80s liked to reminiscence about how bad it was in 72-73. Funny how that little tid-bit gets lost in this cycle of construction down turn
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
8:30 pm
I guess Sooth doesn’t know what the purpose of a business is.
Yet another victim of public schooling.
Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:32 pm
Fred 8:25
You’re welcome.
8:27 – I was using part of your post to illustrate a larger concept – wasn’t meant as a personal observation. That part of your post seems to be a Rule to Live By for many bloggers.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
8:32 pm
Kamchak: So basically the Democrats are not an organized party the way the Republicans are. I totally agree.
Fred
December 28th, 2010
8:33 pm
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:24 pm
Fred…
Nanh, I don’t lean right…not politically anyway…my politics are left…my philosophy is liberal…it’s just that sometimes the right is more liberal than it wants to admit…
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My bad totally. I was thinking left and typed right. I have no excuse. It was a mistake so stupid I can’t believe I let it go though.
Just DAMN I need to proof read.
Having said that, I won’t. i never do. Sorry Josef, can you insert left where I typed right? Maybe I was thinking in British terms……….
Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:34 pm
josef nix 8:29
You held that against him? How about looking at it as a growing experience, you know, like The Who in
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
And I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again
Don’t get fooled again
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
8:35 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
8:30 pm
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Businesses are created so the government will have
something to regulate.
Fred
December 28th, 2010
8:36 pm
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
8:24 pm
Fred, If AmVet is a far right wing fanatic then my left
foot needs to wear my right shoe and that would be wrong
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I did it TWICE? Typing right instead of left? I think thta’s a sure sign I need to retire.
Sorry. Thanks for the heads up on my monumental screw up Frog……..
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
8:38 pm
Hiring workers in the US is a major hassle and it gets to be a bigger hassle every year. A while back Jay had an excellent post showing how recovery in the labor market after recessions gets slower and slower with each recession. It’s no accident, and no mystery why that is. Ever-increasing regulation, government mandates, and government/legal uncertainty (the Idiot Messiah stealing GM and Chrysler from their owners a prime example).
Want more jobs? Get rid of some government.
tarmac sitter
December 28th, 2010
8:38 pm
People who make blatantly stupid or impolitic remarks usually don’t get elected president of the United States. Miss Alaska said she thinks Africa is a country. Newt said he thinks the children of welfare recipients should be placed in orphanages. God help us if either one of those freaks ever becomes president.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:38 pm
PAUL
Unmentionable is usually an easy going, gentlemanly type fellow but he nearly goes through the ceiling over that one. In all appearance, if you know he’s Indian, he looks it, but if you don’t his are classically Jewish looks. He get’s infuriated whenever somebody makes some comment about not being a “real” Indian because of the way he looks, the profession he’s in, the neighborhood he lives in and what have you. “Do I have to show you my fr*kken CDIB card, Duk-sha-ni?”
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
8:39 pm
Fred
December 28th, 2010
8:36 pm
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may just be a sign of dementia ….
Scout
December 28th, 2010
8:39 pm
barking frog:
I prefer swords at dawn.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
8:40 pm
Much global warming alarm centers upon concerns that melting glaciers will cause a disastrous sea level rise.
Rising sea level is not my major concern, sport. It’s the glaciers in the Himalayas that supply drinking water and irrigates the food supply for half of the population of this planet. But thanks for playing anyway.
BTW—using a pro business rag to make a conservative point is not gonna have the impact you think it will.
RW-(the original)
December 28th, 2010
8:44 pm
You think tarmac sitter knows Obama said Europe was a country?
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
8:45 pm
using a pro business rag to make a conservative point is not gonna have the impact you think it will.
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That’s right, you should go to Jon Stewart for all your pro-business talking points.
Idiot.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:45 pm
FRED
Left, right, left, left…company, halt!
PAUL
Yeah, I held it against HIM, not everybody who did, but HIM, yes… see, I had given him credit for being, well, a little brighter than that…and I’m glad I was wrong and see that he was…
L’il Barry
So, where did YOU get your education?
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
8:45 pm
scout 8:39 i prefer pistols. not so messy.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
8:45 pm
Obama also thinks Austrian is a language.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:46 pm
RW
Do they speak Austrian in one of the 57 states?
buckhead willie
December 28th, 2010
8:46 pm
Harry, just who raised you? Merciful God, man!! You are a mess. May the good Lord bless and keep you.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
8:47 pm
LBB: That one is much less of a verbal gaffe than some others you’ve tried:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_German
Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:47 pm
josef nix
Brighter? Maybe in the sense he was more politically attuned at an early age than many people are?
Hey there, RW-(the original)
How as the forest?
But now, I think I’m gonna go fix an Old Fashioned to ward off the cold. Kinda like one of those herbal remedies -
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:47 pm
Oh, Dear L-rd, no…me and L’l Barry on the same snipe…? It must be that public school education kicking in…
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
8:48 pm
Soothsayer, that first article you linked at 7:52 was brilliant. Absolutely one of the most precise, most detailed and accurate assessments I have read. And tis very cool, how its juxtaposed with those two brilliant works of literature. We could discuss it for days.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/2011_a_brave_new_dystopia_20101227/
“I did it TWICE? Typing right instead of left?”
Whew, Fred! Even I was starting to wonder who I am!
BTW, I really enjoyed JB’s observations and that mini-discussion Friday evening about “who” is blogging…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Or4QGI80Y
Mick
December 28th, 2010
8:49 pm
lbb
You are a traitor or at least lean that way. Outsourcing jobs during these difficult times is outright un-american. So, what’s the bottom line profit or people? I say both and the people should be U.S……
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
8:50 pm
For his next trick, Adam will attempt to prove that there really ARE 57 states.
Get off your knees, boy.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
8:52 pm
Mick, why aren’t you and a bunch of your libbtard buddies putting the capital together to start a business that provides high-paying jobs to Americans and restores our manufacturing base? It’s easy, right?
Mick: Do-nothing hypocrite.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
8:52 pm
Oh, Jaaaaaayyyyyyyy …………………. :
I thought you told Chris Matthews to knock this stuff off ?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/12/27/chris_matthews_why_doesnt_obama_just_release_the_birth_certificate.html
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:53 pm
ADAM
“Österreichisches Deutsch”
Österreichisches, adjective, Deutsch noun…the language is German, the dialect is Austrian…we (or at least I) speak Southern English…I speak English (noun) not I speak Southern, adjective…
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
8:53 pm
Tick … tick … tick …
RW-(the original)
December 28th, 2010
8:54 pm
How as the forest?
Paul,
Sounds like it won’t be the first Old Fashioned.
Don’t you hate typos that occur that close to a reference to alcohol? The forest is fine, but I’ve picked up a slew of new customers giving the “forest” a much more varied look.
Del
December 28th, 2010
8:54 pm
Paul just take your Bourbon straight over the rocks. Faster than mixing up an Old Fashion and offers the same medicinal value.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
8:54 pm
josef: still, it makes more sense than mistakenly saying 57 states
Mick
December 28th, 2010
8:55 pm
lil
I do my part to create work locally, what do you do? Nothing but greed and stinginess covering your hidden Lil’ soul.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:55 pm
PAUL
Brighter…more politically attuned at an earlier age…yeah, that’s the ticket…
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
8:56 pm
Scout…Scout….Scout
When are you going to walk away from the birther ignorancy? If you listen to the Chris Mathews piece it does not support any claim that Mathews is a birther. He stated he is the enemy of the birthers.
Again, more lies?
Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:57 pm
RW-(the original)
I was just finishing work on the other monitor, thbpppttttt…….
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
8:57 pm
Paul@8:13 pm
next time he announces that I’m gonna have to ask what a rich guy tips a $2.35 an hour worker -
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Not worth the time Paul.
Harry is somewhat truth impaired.
He would probably tell you he got a Hor-Monica under the table and still only paid $12.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
8:58 pm
ADAM
No, it doesn’t…both are the same type of gaffe any of us could make and should be laughed off as such…the same with Sister Sarah and Africa a country…President Obama knows they speak German in Austria and that there are 50 states and Sarah knows Africa is a continent…and, I think, Clinton knew that Romulus and Remus were mythological…
Paul
December 28th, 2010
8:59 pm
Del
Good advice, but I do like the flavors of the Old Fashion. Wild Turkey.
For the other, I don’t do the over the rocks. Just neat. (maybe, just maybe a tiny bit of ice).Right now I’m working on a bottle of Black Maple Hill.
So many bourbons, so little time -
Del
December 28th, 2010
9:00 pm
“He stated he is the enemy of birthers.” Scout, me thinks Mathews protests too much and both he and Kutgf are closet birthers.
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
9:01 pm
I love coming in here and reading all y’alls post. I just wish my iPad was fast enough to keep up with the conversations
Leigh
December 28th, 2010
9:01 pm
Fine by me if it is not either of these two, because of all the possible GOP nominees I have said time and again that I would never vote for either Palin or Gingrich. I could definitely vote for Romney and even though I don’t agree with Huckabee on a lot of issues (I am a moderate and I generally prefer politicians to be more towards the middle) I like him as a person and I respect him tremendously and would consider voting for him as well.
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
9:01 pm
Not sure that Sarah knows Africa is a continent…..and refudiate was not a typo. She thought it was a real word.
Paul
December 28th, 2010
9:01 pm
Common Sense
Yeah, you’re probably right. I was just reading in that medieval-times book about these people who do the self-flagellation thing. Asking a question like that is probably in the same category.
Gotta get off this topic or Dusty will appear and accuse us of gossiping like old women!
Answer?
December 28th, 2010
9:02 pm
An Atlanta man [Gregory Favors] released from jail just two weeks ago was charged Tuesday with murdering a state trooper…Favors had been arrested 19 times altogether, often on felony charges. Ten of those arrests have come in the last four years, with charges including heroin trafficking, possessing a firearm while committing a felony, fleeing police and prowling.
Any yet another thug incident in Atlanta!!!!
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
9:03 pm
Ahhh Del…you caught me. But then we all know that an Obama-loving left winger like you would ferret us out.
Paul
December 28th, 2010
9:03 pm
Dudley
And just what makes you think those of us on computers are keeping up with the conversation, eh?
Leigh
December 28th, 2010
9:03 pm
I’m not a fan of Newt nor Palin, but Palin’s intellect is at least equal to Obama’s, and Newt’s is superior by a factor of at least 10.
Say what??!! You have got to be kidding me. No way is Palin’s intellect equal to Obama’s. That woman is the dimmest bulb in our political galaxy.
Mick
December 28th, 2010
9:04 pm
paul
Dusty? Well I’m betting that she ain’t a day over 39….
RW-(the original)
December 28th, 2010
9:05 pm
Keep,
And Obama really must have thought corpsman was pronounced corpse-man since he said it multiple times. Is there any point to this endless gotcha game?
Paul
December 28th, 2010
9:05 pm
Mick
39 what?
Leigh
December 28th, 2010
9:05 pm
And how anyone could compare John Edwards to Newt Gingrich is beyond me. Yes, John is a scumbag, but Newt is the KING of all scumbags.
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
9:06 pm
Paul
Y’all seem to be able to post faster than me. Idk may must be me
Mick
December 28th, 2010
9:06 pm
paul **39 what?**
I’ll let you sort that out..
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
9:07 pm
Dudley
Why would you worry about keeping up…we don’t
good fight
You might want to be careful there…somebody might go pointing out some of yours! And she IS a product of the public schools, and believe you me, you don’t come out of them not knowing about Africa! Europe, Asia, the Americas, the United States and Georgia, maybe, but not Africa!
Paul
December 28th, 2010
9:07 pm
Dudley
When I was off on holiday I’d just fire up the Droid and read. Didn’t even bother trying to engage -
Mick
December 28th, 2010
9:08 pm
josef@9:07
One would hope……
Paul
December 28th, 2010
9:09 pm
Pleasant evening, all -
Dawg '88
December 28th, 2010
9:10 pm
Obama’s Pro Death Stance Undeniable…Favors Murder of Innocent (read):
Post-Election / Pre-Inauguration
November 5, 2008 – Obama selects pro-abortion Rep. Rahm Emanuel as his White House Chief of Staff. Emanuel has a 0% pro-life voting record according to National Right to Life.
November 19, 2008 – Obama picks pro-abortion former Sen. Tom Daschleas his Health and Human Services Secretary. Daschle has a long pro-abortion voting record according to National Right to Life.
November 20, 2008 – Obama chooses former NARAL legal director Dawn Johnsen to serve as a member of his Department of Justice Review Team. Later, he finalizes her appointment as the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of the Legal Counsel in the Obama administration.
November 24, 2008 – Obama appoints Ellen Moran, the former director of the pro-abortion group Emily’s List as his White House communications director. Emily’s List only supports candidates who favored taxpayer funded abortions and opposed a partial-birth abortion ban.
November 24, 2008 – Obama puts former Emily’s List board member Melody Barnes in place as his director of the Domestic Policy Council.
November 30, 2008 – Obama named pro-abortion Sen. Hillary Clinton as the Secretary of State. Clinton has an unblemished pro-abortion voting record and has supported making unlimited abortions an international right.
December 10, 2008 – Obama selects pro-abortion former Clinton administration official Jeanne Lambrew to become the deputy director of the White House Office of Health Reform. Planned Parenthood is “excited” about the selection.
December 10, 2008 – Obama transition team publishes memo from dozens of pro-abortion groups listing their laundry list of pro-abortions actions they want him to take.
Pro-Abortion Presidential Record – 2009
January 5, 2009 – Obama picks pro-abortion Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine as the chairman of the Democratic Party.
January 6, 2009 – Obama chooses Thomas Perrelli, the lawyer who represented Terri Schiavo’s husband Michael in his efforts to kill his disabled wife, as the third highest attorney in the Justice Department.
January 22, 2009 – Releases statement restating support for Roe v. Wade decision that allowed virtually unlimited abortions and has resulted in at least 50 million abortions since 1973.
January 23, 2009 – Forces taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations. Decision to overturn Mexico City Policy sends part of $457 million to pro-abortion organizations.
January 26, 2009 – Obama nominee for Deputy Secretary of State, James B. Steinberg, tells members of the Senate that taxpayers should be forced to fund abortions. Nominee erroneously says limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional.
January 29, 2009 – President Obama nominates pro-abortion David Ogden as Deputy Attorney General. – The Vatican has rejected three Obama ambassador nominees because of their positions in favor of abortions.
April 7 – Obama has named pro-abortion law professor Harold Hongju Koh as the top lawyer for the State Department.
April 7 – Put more abortion advocates on his White House advisory council for faith-based issues.
February 12, 2009 – Obama nominates pro-abortion Elena Kagan to serve as Solicitor General.
February 27, 2009 – Starts the process of overturning pro-life conscience protections President Bush put in place to make sure medical staff and centers are not forced to do abortions.
February 28, 2009 – Barack Obama nominates pro-abortion Kathleen Sebelius to become Secretary of Health and Human Services.
March 5, 2009 – The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit. Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion business, made the invitation list as did other pro-abortion groups.
March 9, 2009 – President Barack Obama signed an executive order forcing taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research.
March 10, 2009 – Obama announces the creation of a new foreign policy position to focus on women’s issues. He names Melanne Verveer, an abortion
advocate, to occupy the post.
March 10, 2009 – Reverses an executive order to press for more research into ways of obtaining embryonic stem cells without harming human life. The order Obama scrapped would have promoted new forms of stem cell research.
March 11, 2009 – Obama signed an executive order establishing a new agency within his administration known as the White House Council on Women and Girls. Obama’s director of public liaison at the White House, Tina Tchen, an abortion advocate, became director of it.
March 11, 2009 – Obama administration promotes an unlimited right to abortion at a United Nations meeting.
March 11, 2009 – Obama administration officials deny negative effects of abortion at United Nation’s meeting.
March 17, 2009 – President Barack Obama makes his first judicial appointment and names pro-abortion federal Judge David Hamilton to serve on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals.
March 26 – President Obama announced $50 million for the UNFPA, the UN population agency that has been criticized for promoting abortion and working closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations.
April 7 – The Vatican has rejected three Obama ambassador nominees because of their positions in favor of abortions.
April 7 – Obama has named pro-abortion law professor Harold Hongju Koh as the top lawyer for the State Department.
April 7 – Put more abortion advocates on his White House advisory council for faith-based issues.
April 8 – Obama nominee for assistant attorney general for legislative affairs, Ron Weich, is pro-abortion.
April 14 – Obama administration releases document that claims pro-life people may engage in violence or extremism.
April 17 – Obama administration that implement his decision to allow taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research that involves the destruction of human life.toutedObama’s decision to send $50 million to the United Nation’s Population Fund.
April 23 – Refused to appeal a ruling requiring the FDA to allow 17-year-old girls to purchase the morning after pill without either a doctor visit or parental involvement beforehand.
April 27 – Obama’s women’s ambassador Melanne Verveer
May 5 – Details emerge about a terrorism dictionary the administration of President Barack Obama put together in March. The Domestic Extremism Lexicon calls pro-life advocates violent and claims they employ racist overtones in engaging in criminal actions.
May 8 – President Obama releases a new budget that allows the Legal Services Corporation to use tax dollars to pay for pro-abortion litigation.
May 8 – President Obama’s new budget calls for taxpayer funded abortions in the nation’s capital.
May 8 – President Obama’s budget eliminates all federal funding for abstinence-only education.
May 15 – Appointed pro-abortion New York City health commissioner Thomas Frieden as head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
May 17 – During his commencement speech at Notre Dame, Obama deceived listeners into thinking he wants a conscience clause, promoted embryonic stem cell research and misstated his pro-abortion record.
May 26 – Appoints appeals court judge Sonia Sonotmayoras a Supreme Court nominee. Sotomayor agrees that the courts should make policy, such as the Roe v. Wade case. Sotomayor is later opposed by pro-life groups and supported by pro-abortion groups and those who know her say she will support abortion on the high court.
July 2- Calls for an unlimited right to abortion at a United Nation’s meeting.
July 7- The Obama administration admits it ignoredthe majority of Americans who opposed the proposed guidelines that would implement Obama’s decision to force taxpayers to fund embryonic stem cell research.
July 14 – Obama science czar nominee John Holdren is revealed to have written before that he favors forced abortions.
July 30 – Awards several pro-abortion activists with the 2009 Presidential Medal of Freedom.
July 31 – Tells the National Institutes of Health to adopt rules that allow embryonic stem cell research.
August 4 – Information becomes public that Ezekiel Emanuel, an Obama advisor at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research, supports rationing health care for disabled Americans that could lead to euthanasia.
August 6 – Obama criticized for asking for people to “snitch” on groups and people who oppose the pro-abortion health care bills in Congress.
August 13 – Obama wrongly said a senator backed the pro-euthanasia components of the health care bill.
August 23 – Said pro-life advocates were making “phony claims” about the health care bills. Also said the claims were false.
August 24 – Releases veterans guide promoting euthanasia.
September 13 – Misleads on the federal conscience clause in a health care speech and misleads on abortion funding.
September 13 – Obama waits two days to comment on shooting of pro-life advocate whereas he commented immediately on shooting of abortion practitioner.
September 15 – Senate confirms Obama’s new regulatory czar Cass Sunstein, who is pro-abortion.
October 5 – Selected pro-abortion lawyer and Georgetown University law professor Chai Feldblum for the EEOC.
October 5 – Announces he will give the keynote speech for pro-abortion group Human Rights Campaign.
October 19 – Obama’s serve.gov web site promotes the Planned Parenthood abortion business.
October 21 – Obama administration web site promotes pro-abortion health care bills.
November 6 – Endorsed the House version of the health care bill that, at the time, contained massive abortion funding, rationing and assisted suicide promotion.
November 26 – Copies Thanksgiving proclamation of President Bush but leaves out pro-life message.
December 2 – Authorized taxpayer funding for embryonic stem cell research that kills days-old unborn children.
December 3 – A pro-abortion Obama judicial pick, Louis Butler, is approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee.
December 7 – Announces his endorsement of the pro-abortion Senate health care bill.
December 16 – Obama administration forces Americans a second time to spend millions more on embryonic stem cell research that destroys human life.
December 17 – Signed a bill that overturned the 13-year-long ban on funding abortions with tax dollars in the nation’s capital.
Pro-Abortion Presidential Record – 2010
OBAMA THE ABORTION PRESIDENT!!!
The Face of The Culture of Death!
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
9:10 pm
josef nix@8:38 pm
LBB is just an Duk-sha-ni did I pronounce it correctly
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
9:11 pm
Mick, if you think it’s the duty of businesses to create jobs in the US for the good of our country, don’t you think the country should do all it can to help businesses do that? How would you rate the Idiot Messiah in that regard? What wasteful regulatory burden has he lifted? What legal uncertainty has he removed? What unfunded federal mandate has he undone? What impediment to the export trade has he negotiated out of existence?
The Idiot Messiah is going the wrong direction on all these things. He’s a miserable failure.
Mick
December 28th, 2010
9:12 pm
Does war count as a culture of death? Just asking…
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
9:12 pm
Josef and Paul
Been reading for 2 months now. Want to talk sometimes, just so slow
Del
December 28th, 2010
9:12 pm
Keep up the good fight!, Anything for our dear leader. This time I’ll protect you from the state secret police but you must agree to repent and go into re-education.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
9:13 pm
LEIGH
If you think Sarah is the dimmest, you’re not paying very close attention! By no means a fan of hers and don’t consider her some intellectual giant…but she’s not even in the running on dimwits in politics…and Obama…sharp, witty, can turn a good phrase and deliver a good speech, but he ain’t no intellectual giant…
Mick
December 28th, 2010
9:14 pm
lbb
All those questions can be pointed to congress, how many pro-growth ideas have the repubs blocked? Their allegiance is to the almighty dollar not the country, dems included..
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
9:14 pm
Nix…I make errors all the time while multitasking here. Correct any of them you want. I have thought about it but just a waste of time here. What I dont do is to claim that I was “creating” a new word. It’s very simple. Snowbillie could have just said “I misspoke”.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
9:15 pm
There’s also a difference between being smart and being right.
Somehow, the libbtard-anointed genius that is Obama is consistently wrong.
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
9:16 pm
Del. no problem. Give me a labotomy (inserted a for an o for Nix spellcheck) and I’ll be a qualified tea partier and birther.
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
9:17 pm
I think palin would fall under the category of canny
Mick
December 28th, 2010
9:18 pm
lbb
Why is it that you of all people attempt to tell people how the libs think? Zero cred.
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
9:18 pm
“All those questions can be pointed to congress, how many pro-growth ideas have the repubs blocked?”
How many actual pro-growth ideas were brought to a vote, Mick?
Don’t worry. I’ll answer that for you – none.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
9:18 pm
Lame, Mick. Your Idiot Messiah has made it his mission (several times now) to improve the economy and get people working again in high paying jobs. Somehow, he almost always does the opposite.
Idiot Messiah: The Costanza President.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
9:18 pm
Leigh@9:03 pm
Say what??!! You have got to be kidding me. No way is Palin’s intellect equal to Obama’s. That woman is the dimmest bulb in our political galaxy.
————————-
I wouldn’t quite go that far. I am sure we can find some dimmer (if we try real hard) LOL
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
9:18 pm
DAWG
D*mn…got issues, do ye?
Dudley
We’re slow, too, we just type fast!
common
You got it…now this one..
nu-da-nv-dv-na…
Del
December 28th, 2010
9:19 pm
Okay it’s been light hearted and fun…taps y’all have a great evening.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 28th, 2010
9:19 pm
Gotta run. A pile of cash just fell over and I need to go clean it up.
Mick
December 28th, 2010
9:21 pm
dave r
I do believe there was an effort to get more money for small business loans in the pipeline but was blocked by the repubs. Why, I don’t know. Who could be against that?
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
9:21 pm
good fight…
Oooh, I wouldn’t dare…never fails, I’ll make my own while doing it…besides, OREP may be listening and since Bruin’s already taken me out to the woodshed earlier, I don’t want OREP on me, too!
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
9:24 pm
They blocked it as they did all others because there was no attempt to actually pay for it – just pile on more debt – which is also killing this “recovery”.
They got the message sent on Nov. 2nd. Everything must be paid for. No more expansion of programs unless there are revenue streams or cuts to pay for them.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
9:24 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight ! :
If you watched to the end you will see that all three of them agreed that the document should just be released.
That’s all I’m saying. He’s president for at least four years. That ain’t gonna change.
What’s the big deal ?
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
9:25 pm
Dudley
“I think palin would fall under the category of canny”
I would agree…she’s smart…maybe not a brilliant intellectual, but one smart cookie…after all, we’re still talking about her and she’s still raking in the shekels because we are…
TGT
December 28th, 2010
9:26 pm
So Kamchak, Forbes isn’t good enough for you but what about NASA, the journal Nature, Stockholm University, etc. all of which are mentioned in the column?
Rising sea levels might not be your concern, but it certainly is the concern of many Warmers, (including the High Priest himself), as the column noted.
BTW, referring to a reputable publication as a “pro business rag” (while ignoring it’s many sources) to make a liberal point is not going to have the impact you think.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
9:26 pm
josef nix@9:18 pm
Jay doesn’t allow language like that on a family blog LMAO
looks like the dishes LBB’s mom has him washing fell over.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
9:27 pm
He’s president for at least four years. That ain’t gonna change.
What’s the big deal ?
Shouldn’t you be looking in a mirror when you ask that?
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
9:27 pm
Scout if you watch, listen and comprehend, all 3 of them agreed at the end that if the document were released that 20% of the country would not believe that the document were real. But thanks for playing. Try captioning if you can’t listen to the words.
Mick
December 28th, 2010
9:28 pm
dave r
Well now the shoe is on the other foot, correct? Let’s see how well these new fangled repubs tow the line. Any bets?
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
9:29 pm
BTW, referring to a reputable publication…
Not reputable to me, sport.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
9:30 pm
Kamchak:
Yes. I will go do that right now. I am ashamed.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
9:31 pm
Keep Up The Good Fight ! :
Yes, they did say that and that it should still be released.
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
9:31 pm
I think Palin is on par with Kim kardashien snookie and the other reality stars she is trying to emulate
horse
December 28th, 2010
9:31 pm
@josef nix
Nathan Deal has questioned Obama’s citizenship, and State Rep. Hatfield claims he’ll once again reintroduce a birther bill in the next legislative session.
How does it relate to white nationalism? How does it not? It’s another “identity politics” ploy, a/k/a southern strategy. Just like the “Obama is a Muslim” meme, it seeks to separate “we the people.”
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
9:31 pm
I think some will revert to their old ways, while the new blood will try to keep their promises to cut the deficit and bring spending under control.
Too early to tell if the new ones will be captured by the bureaucracy and the bright lights, though.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
9:32 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight ! :
P.S. I have you in a “chicken-wing” right now. An “ultra, ultra liberal” like Chris Matthews actually calling for its release.
I love it !!
ODDOWL
December 28th, 2010
9:32 pm
The Tea Party Republicans are in disarray. They don’t seem have any viable candidates to run against President Obama in 2012. There is a strong possibility that the President could run for re-election unopposed.
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
9:34 pm
“There is a strong possibility that the President could run for re-election unopposed.”
I do hope you mean that he will be unopposed on the Democrat side, Oddowl.
Otherwise, your comment has no basis in reality.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
9:35 pm
By the way …………………
There is really only one other thing on that long-form that someone may or may not want anyone else to know about and it has nothing to do with the country of one’s birth.
I’m betting that’s it.
Mick
December 28th, 2010
9:35 pm
**Too early to tell if the new ones will be captured by the bureaucracy and the bright lights, though.**
Please, don’t hold your breath….
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
9:36 pm
Scout…listen carefully…they never said it. It was a question. Playing devil’s advocate.
And again…..the point is what? What single piece of evidence has been presented to call into question an official document of the State, which may be used to obtain a passport, and which is supported by statements of confirmation by state officials and by other sources. Please point to a single piece of evidence. Just one. Something other than a hunch. No fiction, no reality…Something that would hold up in court (which means it has not been presented in any one of the number of court actions to date).
And do tell me about Orly’s demand that only she and her lawyer can verify anything…… the single point is there is NOTHING that will convince the crazy birthers. 20% idiots on this issue.
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
9:38 pm
Let me correct the typo: No fiction, reality.
@@
December 28th, 2010
9:40 pm
I’ve said from day one that Palin wouldn’t run.
Not sure what it is about Gingrich that irritates you so, jay.
A candidate who takes Paul Ryan’s “Roadmap” seriously would be Bill Bennett. What he lacks in charisma, he makes up for in intelligence. Only time I’ve ever seen Bennett’s face light up is when he’s talking about Ryan.
Mitch Daniels is also someone I’d be interested in.
Lots of possibilities.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
9:41 pm
Some of you may remember the last time someone from the same party tried to unseat a first term president. It was way back when Ted Kennedy tried to unseat Carter.
I wish I could post the political cartoon that “Oliphant” (Washington Post) drew concerning the subject.
Basically it showed Ted Kennedy driving a big black limo with Carter in the back seat (and a very worried look on his face). However, he (Carter) was wearing his aqua-lung and diving mask ……………………. He was ready in case they went off the bridge ……………………….
Scout
December 28th, 2010
9:43 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight ! :
Listen carefully (I’m whispering now ……… softly, verrrrry softly) ……….. there is something on there he doesn’t want known.
Mick
December 28th, 2010
9:45 pm
scout
Carter and kennedy, they made reagan into a contender…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
9:47 pm
Damn Dawg ‘88@9:10 pm
Hit the picket line and give your job to someone not so focused on one issue.
I’m not saying it’s not important but there are a few other issues facing the US.
Mick
December 28th, 2010
9:48 pm
scout
I’ll play along….list some of the things on a long form that one would not want known..for example, was it a club foot?
Scout
December 28th, 2010
9:53 pm
Mick:
Nope. If you can’t figure it out I’m not gonna say it. Just think. You’ll come up with it.
Scout
December 28th, 2010
9:54 pm
This still makes me cry ………… sniff, sniff :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw4v9wMvTwA
RW-(the original)
December 28th, 2010
9:54 pm
Technically speaking GHWB had a Republican primary opponent in 1992. Pat Buchanan picked up over 20% of the primary vote. There were also the regular cast of fringe candidates that show up on both sides every time out.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
9:54 pm
His father was Osama Bin Laden?
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
9:54 pm
Scout…listen carefully… your part of the 20%…that makes you a complete Orly. No matter what he provides it wont be enough for you crazies. You have no evidence and yet you keep dancing with new claims any time the last claim is disproven. Again…the challenge is not to lie any more and to make claims you can’t prove. Provide a single piece of reliable credible evidence.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
9:55 pm
josef: I think, Clinton knew that Romulus and Remus were mythological…
Silly, Romulus and Remus are the core planets of the ROmulan Empire. DUUUUH!
LBB: Somehow, the libbtard-anointed genius that is Obama is consistently wrong.
And yet consistently successful. Sounds like how you move up the ranks in business! And you call this guy anti-business…. scoff.
Dave R: How many actual pro-growth ideas were brought to a vote, Mick?
Actually quite a few. Although some of them were blocked by the shadow filibuster manuever. I can’t wait until the Senate overturns that nonsense.
They got the message sent on Nov. 2nd. Everything must be paid for. No more expansion of programs unless there are revenue streams or cuts to pay for them.
Then I assume by the fact you have included revenue streams you support… GASP… raising taxes?
@@: Not sure what it is about Gingrich that irritates you so, jay.
Oh I can think of something….
As for Dawg ’88’s post… that actually makes me support him more. I am Pro Choice and not ashamed of that.
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
9:55 pm
Common….let’s get real…his father was Darth Vader.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
9:55 pm
Keep up: You have no evidence and yet you keep dancing with new claims any time the last claim is disproven.
Moving the goalposts!
WillieRae
December 28th, 2010
9:57 pm
Palin does make the libs uniquely craaaaazy. I sort of wonder what it is that so gets under their skin. One thing for sure, the more the libs go foaming-at-the-mouth-bat-crap-nuts, the more the rest of the country sees them as a little unhinged. No wonder.
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
9:58 pm
Adam…we aren’t even in the stadium anymore. The bus is pulling away and Scout is in the shower crying that he can find a goalpost, if only…..
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
9:59 pm
“Actually quite a few.”
Nice answer. Lacking specifics to back up the claim, however, Adam.
And yes, I do support raising taxes, but only AFTER providing significant cuts in spending FIRST to show you’re serious. Trust, but verify works with government as well, but they don’t get another dime from me until they do some serious cutting.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
10:01 pm
PalinSnowbilly Snooki does make the libsuniquely craaaaazyuproariously amused.Fixed your typos.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
10:02 pm
Keep, not joining the fray but as you know the absence
of evidence of guilt is not evidence of the absence of guilt..
Adam
December 28th, 2010
10:04 pm
Dave R: That’s somewhat fair, but like I said I don’t exactly trust that spending cuts FIRST, then tax increases would actually happen, since tax raising is something the GOP NEVER goes for willingly. EVER.
Putting that aside for the moment, lets say it would work and each side would hold up their end of the bargain. What spending cuts would you make, and then how much would you raise taxes?
As for specifics on the pro-growth measures, it is again not my responsibility to give you all the specifics of well documented stuff.
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
10:04 pm
Oh, and Adam? The Senate will never overturn the filibuster rule. Their role is that of a saucer cooling the overflow of the partisan House, and they know their role well.
And personally, I don’t think it is used enough. Gridlock is America’s friend when Congress is in session.
Mick
December 28th, 2010
10:05 pm
Sorry scout not familiar with long form birth certificates….
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
10:05 pm
Frog….there is lots of evidence to support Obama’s birth in Hawaii…NOT a single piece of credible evidence to suggest otherwise. This is not an absence of evidence. This is an effort to counter the substantial proof on Obama’s side. The absence of evidence to contradict what has been proven does not call into question what has been proven.
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
10:05 pm
Keep
Dick Cheney is darth vaders illegitimate child
TheTruthHurts
December 28th, 2010
10:05 pm
Whomever runs it will be easy to beat Dumb and Dumber…The worst president and the Dumbest VP in History…It will be a breeze for whomever the GOP nominates…just like the wipe out this past election…LOL LOVE IT!!!!!!! Obama is the gift that keeps on giving to the republicans..LOL
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
10:07 pm
common sense
“Jay doesn’t allow language like that on a family blog LMAO”
You talking about A-li-so-qua-lv-di?
That
ga-lo-nu-he-s-gi di-gv-tsu-gi!!!
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
10:08 pm
No…dont tell me….Dick Cheney had an incestuous relationship with Darth Vader and they gave birth to Obama in any place other than Hawaii…
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
10:10 pm
Keep
Lol
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
10:11 pm
Dave R. – don’t let the friendly IRS agent hear you say that. LOL
Even though I can agree with the sympathies
Scout
December 28th, 2010
10:14 pm
Keep Up the Good Part ! :
1) Obama was born in Hawaii, period, end of discussion.
2) In any case, I don’t care where he was born.
3) He is president.
4) That ain’t going to change.
5) I want to see the long form.
Now what part of that don’t you understand ?
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
10:14 pm
ADAM
@ 9:55
You’re right. I’m wrong.
Horse
Just because they’re dumb as sh*t lunatics doesn’t make them white nationalists…
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
10:15 pm
Truth…yep Obama is a gift..That “gift” beat your 2008 candidate and swept in a lot of Dems and you are still trying to recover….a few more “gifts’ like that and we’ll get a lot of the mess clean up that was left over by the republicans.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
10:15 pm
Oedipus Cheney?
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
10:15 pm
keep, I have no quarrel with the credentials shown,
pennsylvania has similar laws and procedures,
however since the easiest thing to do is simply
release the documents which i assume can only
be released by President Obama. Being in Hawaii
a personal visit to the document repository, not
working Hardship ,would be smart, Unless there
is a problem. and after this length of time it does
begin to wear, as evidenced by Chris Mathews…
If he waits and then releases with no problems
appearing he will just look silly.. and silly doesn.t
sit well on Presidents..
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
10:16 pm
TheTruthHurts
Have you forgotten Ronnie (I can’t recall) Reagan and George (I was out of the loop) Bush
Scout
December 28th, 2010
10:16 pm
Mick:
Surely (and don’t call me Shirley) you have your own ? Go over it carefully and you will probably figure out what this may all be about.
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
10:16 pm
Scout…okay a good start. Now the simple fact. The laws of Hawaii do NOT give you the right to see the long form. Since you concede Obama is born is Hawaii, there is no reason you need to even look at it.
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
10:18 pm
“As for specifics on the pro-growth measures, it is again not my responsibility to give you all the specifics of well documented stuff.”
Adam-speak for “I don’t have a clue”.
As to what I’d cut, I’d start by bring all our troops home, and that includes Iraq, Afghanistan, and NATO bases in Europe as well. Reagan and Bush ended the Cold War 20 years ago.
Extend the age in which you can start taking benefits from Social Security, or take a lower payout if you want to collect at the original age.
Cut the Medicare prescription drug program in half.
End the War on Drugs and use 1/3 of the money to fund local Drug Courts that provide treatment, not incarceration.
Ban all government employee unions and end civil service until wages more reflect the private sector.
Defund every agency on Jan. 1st of each year until they can show why they are in existence.
End all foreign aid.
Enact the FairTax and reduce the IRS to 10% of it’s current size.
Do that last thing, and the economy will grow so fast you won’t need a tax increase.
And again, I’m not willing to raise taxes anywhere until they show me some cuts in spending.
TheTruthHurts
December 28th, 2010
10:20 pm
Dudley, Of course not….we all miss Bush now and Reagan saved the Economy from another brain dead liberal Jimmy Carter. Now we have a Community Organizer who doesn’t have a clue what he is doing except for destroying the economy and destroying families…so yes Obama is the Dumbest brain dead socialist president in our History with Jimmy Carter close behind.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2010
10:21 pm
Enact the FairTax…
There’s your sign.
Mick
December 28th, 2010
10:22 pm
scout
Pulling out birth certificate……name of child, sex, place of birth, date of birth, date of issue, registrar of vital statistics, seal….that’s it
You are saying that obama is a…………female?
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
10:23 pm
Frog…Presidents typically dont address the demands of crazies…the long form will not settle it for the crazies. Its time we call them for what they are. What next…”Mr. President, prove the moon is not made of green cheese, cause we have a hunch it is.”
So far, not a single birther has any credible evidence that there is any evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii. Every single court case has been won. NOT one lost. NOT one has gone to trial.
So any time you see a birther claim, you know a crazy is trying to make create wings out of thin air.
Dudley
December 28th, 2010
10:24 pm
I seem to recall the Reagan era as 8 of the worst years on record Union busting, Iran contra, etc
RW-(the original)
December 28th, 2010
10:25 pm
So has the topic moved to Presidential memory problems?
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
10:26 pm
Truth Hurts
Ima Gonna Fierce Advocate a socialist? Would that he were!!
Scout
December 28th, 2010
10:28 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight ! :
1) The laws of Hawaii do NOT give you the right to see the long form. TRUE
2) Since you concede Obama is (I think you meant was) born is (in) Hawaii, there is no reason you need to even look at it. TRUE
3) I want him to be nice and let the American people see it anyway.
Mick
December 28th, 2010
10:28 pm
scout
Why so cryptic? Just spell it out man or forever hold your peace…
Scout
December 28th, 2010
10:29 pm
Mick:
Nope. You still haven’t caught on.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
10:29 pm
Dudley@10:24 pm
I seem to recall the Reagan era as 8 of the worst years on record Union busting, Iran contra, etc
————————–
Tax increases on the middle class, interest rates going up, unemployment
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
10:29 pm
“NOT one has gone to trial. ”
Keep, understand, I’m not at all in the birther camp, and I think Scout is a bit too cagey with his non-answers on this issue, but the reason none of these suits have gone to trial are due to lack of standing by those bringing the suits, not lack of evidence.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
10:30 pm
RW
@ 10:25
Too good!
and Dudley
@ 10:24
Seems I remember the same 8 years you do…
Scout
December 28th, 2010
10:31 pm
Outta here …………. early bugle in the morning. Be nice to each other ………………..
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
10:32 pm
Reagan’s 8 years…
Excuse me for bringing it up, but, uh, AIDS?
Mick
December 28th, 2010
10:32 pm
Well, I guess you are saying that he won’t release the long form because there isn’t one to release.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
10:32 pm
Dave R: Regarding filibuster reform, I said “overturn that nonsense.” That’s actually my fault, I should have known that would be ambiguous. What I meant was overturning the ability to have a filibuster without the senator filibustering being present the whole time he or she wants to filibuster, talking, and taking up floor time. The idea of a shadow filibuster, where a senator can object and then go home having successfully stalled the Senate and deciding to leave for the day is just nonsense. Most jobs don’t let you get away with tricks to go home early and the Senate should be no different.
Ban all government employee unions and end civil service until wages more reflect the private sector.
Enact the FairTax and reduce the IRS to 10% of it’s current size.
I disagree with those two. The others seem good EXCEPT:
Defund every agency on Jan. 1st of each year until they can show why they are in existence.
You’re going to have to be a little more specific on what you mean. I assume by needing them to show why, you mean they could provide some solid evidence of their usefulness. And that begs the question what would satisfy you as being a valid reason for being in existence? Second to that would be, do you consider the military funding to be part of this initiative?
Hootinanny Yum Yum
December 28th, 2010
10:32 pm
Keep up the good fight!, a lot of americans are racists. They may not be Black Panther members, they may not be gang-bangers but they still believe that the black race is superior or they base reactions on sterotypes and prejudice. To some extend studies have shown that a great number of “black people” may have hidden stereotypes and prejudices. That should be acknowledged.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
10:34 pm
Mick: I’m willing to bet Obama doesn’t have an original long form to produce. The state of Hawaii does, and I bet when he was just running for president i.e. not yet elected) they probably wouldn’t give it to him. As long as he considers the thing over, he has no reason to take time out of his day to go hunt down the darn long form.
Mick
December 28th, 2010
10:35 pm
josef
Don’t you remember? The religious right said that aids was a scourge brought on by god against homosexuality and his will be done…aids infected people need not apply..
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
10:35 pm
Anyone remember the SNL skit with Phil Hartman as “The real Ronald Reagan”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skQuhoG7fFM
Funny stuff!
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
10:39 pm
Adam–
I’m with you on the filibuster requiring the Senator to be there and keep talking…
Hootenany
And it’s not just Americans…it’s human and to a greater or lesser degree it infects us all…the mere fact we define/categorize a person by race terminologies makes us racist…
Yahoo Alert
December 28th, 2010
10:39 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101229/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate
RW-(the original)
December 28th, 2010
10:40 pm
The state of Hawaii does, and I bet when he was just running for president i.e. not yet elected) they probably wouldn’t give it to him.
Adam,
I wouldn’t go down that road if I were you. The only reasons for the State of Hawaii to deny citizen Obama a copy of his birth certificate would be that it didn’t exist or he couldn’t prove he was him and that would move you to the position of King of the Birthers.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
10:40 pm
Didn’t someone in the Reagan WH say that heteros couldn’t get AIDS?
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
10:40 pm
This place is a real corker.
Including concurrent conspiracy theories and Kenyan obsessions. Global cooling and new age non-science (post Darwinian, of course). Flair tax vs. Fat tax? Impending embarrassing meltdowns in the realm of the righteously enraged.
And the Alice in Wonderland cons constantly wonder why Sister Sarah (irritates/scares/bothers/whatevers) the non-Republicans.
Do tell.
This is irritation?
Kristol has been an advocate for Palin in the past, so his prediction about her candidacy is interesting in that light. I also think he’s correct.
And if you armchair psychiatrists and “masters of misrepresentation” think that laughing at the silly things the woman says and does, along with dozens of other such notable political figures, is really fear, well…stick to your day jobs.
Assuming of course they haven’t been outsourced to China…
Associated Press Release
December 28th, 2010
10:41 pm
“Hawaii’s governor wants to reveal Obama birth info.”
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
10:41 pm
“I assume by needing them to show why, you mean they could provide some solid evidence of their usefulness.”
Yes.
And I knew you’d balk on nay real changes to make us competitive and make government more easy to fund and simpler to understand.
As to the military, they are Constitutionally provided with great specificity. All other agencies in existence today are not, so no, they just have to show why they need to be anywhere else but here.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
10:45 pm
AmVet@10:40 pm
Best post of the day LOL
Dave R.
December 28th, 2010
10:45 pm
Now it’s off to bed for me after a very long day.
Enjoy the SNL skit posted above, and have a good night, all.
Mick
December 28th, 2010
10:45 pm
dave r
That was funny…never saw it before…can’t get through ten minutes of snl these days..
Adam
December 28th, 2010
10:46 pm
Dave R: But you didn’t answer my question as to what would be a satisfying argument for existence…
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
10:46 pm
Mick
It wasn’t just the religious right…I remember TOO well what the reactions were back then and, yes, I remember my own, too, the fear of the unknown gripped us all. Getting beyond that was not easy. The lack of leadership and allocation of funds to find out answers is, in my opinion, unforgiveable…and that leadership came from the most unlikely sources sometimes…remember when C Everett Koop said, in essence, “forget the moral posturing, this is an epidemic we’ve got to deal with…?”
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
10:46 pm
well now…we finally have it. No real birther issue for Scout….he just wants to look so some reason even though its not about the place of birth. Yes and I wanted the Bush government to be nice and tell us the truth about Cheney, war crimes, oil deals and more but it did not happen.
Dave R…not true. Donofrio denied by US Supremes without comment. Keyes denied because he was not entitle to the records sought not because of a lack of standing. Ankeny was not dismissed on lack of standing it was a motion to dismiss on the merits. Kerchner was standing.
Barnett (Orly) was based on technical grounds and dismissed it on summary judgment. Hollister dismissed as harassment and improper purpose. We can keep going on.
Adam
December 28th, 2010
10:47 pm
RW: They gave him a copy. They didn’t give him a copy of the long form. Either they wouldn’t give him that copy OR he thought like every agency and private company thinks, that the short form they gave him was good enough to prove citizenship.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
10:48 pm
Keep 10:23 Presidents address crazies all the time,
especially when it can gain votes or cost votes, mathews
is ably making the point that further non release appears
to be concealment and if there is no harm release will be
helpful. Presidents don’t have to release wills either but
if it would get him votes it would be politically expedient.
Mick
December 28th, 2010
10:50 pm
josef
A lot of disinformation at the time, but most disturbingly sheer denial that it could happen to me. Got to hit the hay….roger out…
Tommy Maddox
December 28th, 2010
10:51 pm
Oddowl @ 9:32PM:
HAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA! Oh man I’m gonna blow a vein BUHUUWAAAAHHHH!
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
10:51 pm
barking frog…
Isn’t the President required to address the crazies at least once a year?
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
10:51 pm
Frog…we’ll have to disagre but here is a few lines from Wikipedia on the issue:
A common claim among those arguing that President Obama was not born in Hawaii is that all doubt would be settled if Obama released his “long form” birth certificate. However, commentators noted that doing so would be disadvantageous to Obama. First, it would encourage speculation as to why it took so long to release the document. Second, caving in to his political adversaries’ demands would embolden them by giving them a victory. Finally, it would open the door to demands for other personal records unrelated to his birth certificate.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
10:52 pm
Maybe he’s trying to hide the fact that his mother isn’t from Kansas
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
10:52 pm
She must be from Alabama and therefore not a US citizen LMAO
Adam
December 28th, 2010
10:53 pm
Keep up: all good points.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
10:59 pm
I have it from a reliable source that he was born on a kibbutz in Israel and his real name is Irving ben David and he IS the Messiah…
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
11:02 pm
common sense
Not to poke the Bruin, but, uh on his mother’s side his Confederate citizenship is beyond question…and most of them went to the great beyond never having regained US citizenship…hmmm
And you know he DOES send that wreath on Confederate Memorial Day
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
11:03 pm
There is no disadvantage in being truthful with the public.
Speculation is already rampant about non release.
The birthers would win nothing and would look sillier,
UNLESS there is a problem. There should be no other
personal records that he would have a problem revealing.
Remember the ‘caesar’s wife must be above suspicion’ thing.
And this is a controversy easily settled.
AmVet
December 28th, 2010
11:06 pm
Common, thanks.
And nice combo observation/reference about Cheech & Chong’s Lets Make a Dope Deal and my fellow Jayhawker. Who is apparently sliced liver, and who almost never gets mentioned.
And for josef and Jesus lovers everywhere…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQVvtecOhGg
dave
December 28th, 2010
11:09 pm
As a conservative myself, surprisingly, I agree with Jay on this one. Gingrich has been out of the loop too long (and, as others have mentioned, has a lot of baggage; I could see him in a cabinet post or something), and Palin, well, I just don’t see it. She may be smart, but she does not show well in public (lots of intelligent people don’t, as a matter of fact). Her cheerleading has probably hurt her in the public spectrum, in that she is portrayed as a ditz, and she does seem to be somewhat shallow (she reminds me sort of Dan Quayle; a smart guy, but someone who, in public, always manages to do something that makes him look stupid). For me, I’d rather have someone with more substance, like Mike Huckabee, Herman Cain, Mitt Romney, or somebody like that (even Alan Keyes or Steve Forbes, for that matter). I don’t know enough about Haley Barbour or Tim Pawlenty to have an opinion about them, but I really don’t think either Palin or Gingrich would make it very far through the primaries, if they did decide to run. Sorry for the long post.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
11:10 pm
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
10:59 pm
————————————
I believe his name would have to be Immanuel, wouldn’t it?
over the hill
December 28th, 2010
11:10 pm
the only serious candidates the republicans can put up are gingrich with a lot a personal baggage and palin, a flake? Amazing! No wonder they lost the election—with either of these 2, they will lose big again.
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
11:12 pm
Frog, you can argue all you want. Its not a controversy. It is crazy talk. It has been proven. You keep ignoring facts. That some want to keep arguing because they are “dumbaszes” in the words of Ken Buck is not Obama’s problem (and included in that group of DAs in Nathan Deal, the first congress to officially request to see Obama’s birth certificate and perhaps the holder of Gov DumbA). It is a private matter and the statements and certifications of the state of Hawaii should suffice.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
11:18 pm
Keep, the man is a masterful politician, He signed the
tax extension because there are no political demerits
for not raising taxes. You keep ignoring the fact that he
will need every vote available in 2012. To allow this to
cost him even one vote makes even his liberal following
question his actions. Not a good move.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
11:18 pm
Common
That’s the name they gave him at the brit milah….sssshhhh
El Jefe
December 28th, 2010
11:18 pm
I concur, they could do more good in the Senate. Come 2012, we will be replacing a lot of Senators – 1/3 of them are coming up on re-election.
Their records will tell the tale.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
11:19 pm
Josef – I can’t help it if my mama’s family settled in Alabama, just cause I was borned there don’t make me furrin
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
11:23 pm
Common Sense, without Alabama, North Georgia would
slide into the Gulf of Mexico…
El Jefe
December 28th, 2010
11:23 pm
Keep up the good fight!,
At worse (or best – depend which side your on) Obama has dual citizenship – American and UK (Kenya was a part of the British empire at that time).
There is a controversy, if dual citizenship disqualifies him or not.
He is either stubborn (arrogant, above it all, etc.) for not releasing his long form birth certificate or he is hiding something.
Who knows.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
11:25 pm
why doesn’t florida float away. South Alabama sux LOL,
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
11:25 pm
Frog…my last on this issue. Here is the link to the official Hawaiian FAQ on the matter which includes the links to the official statement of the Health Director who has examined the records. You are entitled to your believes and so are the pundits. Pundits have been wrong and can disagree. The one theing they all agree so far on is that making the long form availble will NOT make this issue go away and will not satisfy the crazies. Their arguments are simply not rational and not based on any evidence….it is simply as Scout finally conceded when you push away the silliness “I wanna see it just because.” And seeing it is not going to change the irrational crazy DAs to finally say…ok. It’s just going to cause a new round of demands and challenges.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 28th, 2010
11:28 pm
see you all tomorrow
Don
December 28th, 2010
11:30 pm
You mean he got impeached and disbarred after carrying on a sexual affair with a big-haired fat chick in the oval office?
So it’s worse because it was in the oval office? Situational morality? Gingrich was having an affair while trying to impeach Clinton. Hypocrisy is a republican plank.
barking frog
December 28th, 2010
11:30 pm
Keep, Unfortunately he is probably past the point where
revelation would help so the birthers win this one by keeping
on keeping on….
Keep up the good fight!
December 28th, 2010
11:32 pm
El Jefe..your so-called argument does not require the release of any additional birth certificate information. You may want to review Donofrio which made that claim and the US Supreme court (Clarence Thomas) declined to hear without comment. So you lost.
josef nix
December 28th, 2010
11:33 pm
time to check out…g’night
Clawdawg
December 28th, 2010
11:50 pm
Who is this Bookman…You are so out of touch…..Newt Gingrich WILL win the nomination and will be our next President in 2012.
itpdude
December 28th, 2010
11:52 pm
Newt is a disgusting man who prosecuted Clinton for lying under oath about sexual relations with someone other than his wife while carrying on with a woman who was not his wife.
He’s a hypocritical ass.
TnGelding
December 29th, 2010
5:10 am
Clinton did NOT have sexual relations with THAT woman, Ms. Lewinski, as I’ve stated before. If he had, she wouldn’t have been crying on Ms. Tripp’s shoulder. Newt, like Clinton, was highly influenced by his grandmother and was like a fish out of water as speaker. The Christian right would never accept him unless he does a public redemption.
Lil' Barry Bailout
December 29th, 2010
6:58 am
Clinton got himself impeached by lying and obstructing in an attempt to deny a citizen her day in court. Not only was he impeached, but he also agreed to settle the woman’s civil lawsuit, paid her $800K, and was disbarred for his criminal activities.
Normal
December 29th, 2010
7:01 am
Today, in 1890, was not one of our finest days in history…
On this day in 1890, in the final chapter of America’s long Indian wars, the U.S. Cavalry kills 146 Sioux at Wounded Knee on the Pine Ridge reservation in South Dakota.
Throughout 1890, the U.S. government worried about the increasing influence at Pine Ridge of the Ghost Dance spiritual movement, which taught that Indians had been defeated and confined to reservations because they had angered the gods by abandoning their traditional customs. Many Sioux believed that if they practiced the Ghost Dance and rejected the ways of the white man, the gods would create the world anew and destroy all non-believers, including non-Indians. On December 15, 1890, reservation police tried to arrest Sitting Bull, the famous Sioux chief, who they mistakenly believed was a Ghost Dancer, and killed him in the process, increasing the tensions at Pine Ridge.
On December 29, the U.S. Army’s 7th cavalry surrounded a band of Ghost Dancers under the Sioux Chief Big Foot near Wounded Knee Creek and demanded they surrender their weapons. As that was happening, a fight broke out between an Indian and a U.S. soldier and a shot was fired, although it’s unclear from which side. A brutal massacre followed, in which it’s estimated almost 150 Indians were killed (some historians put this number at twice as high), nearly half of them women and children. The cavalry lost 25 men.
The conflict at Wounded Knee was originally referred to as a battle, but in reality it was a tragic and avoidable massacre. Surrounded by heavily armed troops, it’s unlikely that Big Foot’s band would have intentionally started a fight. Some historians speculate that the soldiers of the 7th Cavalry were deliberately taking revenge for the regiment’s defeat at Little Bighorn in 1876. Whatever the motives, the massacre ended the Ghost Dance movement and was the last major confrontation in America’s deadly war against the Plains Indians.
Conflict came to Wounded Knee again in February 1973 when it was the site of a 71-day occupation by the activist group AIM (American Indian Movement) and its supporters, who were protesting the U.S. government’s mistreatment of Native Americans. During the standoff, two Indians were killed, one federal marshal was seriously wounded and numerous people were arrested.
Normal
December 29th, 2010
7:02 am
We get it Barry, you have the hots for Slick Willie…so what?
Bill Orvis White
December 29th, 2010
7:45 am
Both Newt and Miss Sarah are good candidates. I cannot wait to see them come to Iowa to express their ideas because both of them have a lot to offer. It’s anyone’s guess who will be the GOP nominee in 2012, but I can tell you that we will see the winner emerge on FOX News which is doing something amazing this upcoming year: the #1 newschannel will pick the nominee!
My personal pick right now is Herman Cain:
http://tinyurl.com/27q8oww
Amen,
Bill
Intown
December 29th, 2010
9:42 am
I agree that both won’t be the nominee. Both are just using the media and speculation about a presidential run to make more money at being professional celebrities.
Adam
December 29th, 2010
10:04 am
Clinton got himself impeached by lying and obstructing in an attempt to deny a citizen her day in court.
It wasn’t worthy of the kind of inquiries and investigations that were put towards it. Most of the American public saw it as an attempt to use a base law of lying to the grand jury as a way to expose an affair and impeach a president unjustly. What Nixon did is more worthy of an impeachment than this travesty ever was. And most of the American public knew it.
horse
December 29th, 2010
10:15 am
@josef nix
Remember Jimmy Carter’s comments on the subject of birthers:
“I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he is African-American.”
“Racism … still exists and I think it has bubbled up to the surface because of a belief among many white people, not just in the south but around the country, that African-Americans are not qualified to lead this great country.”
Scout
December 29th, 2010
10:53 am
horse:
Barf !
Bill Orvis White
December 29th, 2010
1:08 pm
@horse
Jimmah has always been and will always be remembered as an anti-Semite racist.
From Where I Sit
December 29th, 2010
2:40 pm
Bottom line: America would be better off with Palin and Newt. Thank GOD Barry and his Socialist Racist will be gone in 2012!!!
Justin
December 30th, 2010
12:28 pm
It’s going to be a dogfight between Huckabee and Romney, with Gingrich waiting in the shadows as the dark horse, should there be an impasse with the frontrunners. Everyone else is a joker, and shouldn’t bother.
ghostwriter
December 31st, 2010
3:24 pm
Newt will find out about the woman electorate in this country just like John McCain did. They are not going to vote for a candidate who, by extension, will bring a First Lady who slept with another woman’s husband.