Time to assess the 111th Congress

The lame-duck congressional session proved anything but lame.

When it finally came to a vote, the supposedly controversial New START arms treaty with Russia drew 71 supporters in the Senate, including Sen. Johnny Isakson of Georgia. The repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” drew 65 Senate votes, with only 31 opposed, a margin of better than two to one that left John McCain, the Angry Old Man of the Senate, stewing in his own resentment.

Liberals who condemned President Obama for his tax-cut negotiations with Republicans should acknowledge that the deal swung the door open to other important accomplishments. Until that issue was taken off the table, nothing else was going to pass.

Ron Brownstein, writing in National Journal, concludes that the list of Democratic accomplishments in this two-year session of Congress is longer than that of any party since the days of LBJ.

“Health care and financial-services reform top that list. The 2009 economic-stimulus package contained, by some measures, more net new public investment in education, infrastructure, and clean energy than Bill Clinton achieved during his entire two terms. Other significant wins included bills that restructured and increased college financial aid, toughened pay-equity laws for women, expanded national service, and provided new credit card protections to consumers. This week’s Senate vote approving the New START pact provided Obama a bipartisan foreign policy-victory that steamrolled the opposition of the GOP Senate leadership… The repeal of the Pentagon’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy that Obama signed this week concluded an effort to allow gays to serve openly that dated back to Clinton’s 1992 campaign. Earlier, Obama signed legislation protecting sexual orientation under the hate-crimes law and more closely equalizing the penalties for possession of powder and crack cocaine–in each case implementing changes key Democratic constituencies have likewise sought since the 1990s.”

Of course, Democrats paid a heavy price for that success in November, surrendering their once-significant majority in the House and losing seats in the Senate as well. But that gets us back to an age-old question: Is political power best used to preserve political power, or do you use it to actually get things done? The Democrats and Obama took the second option, although I doubt they fully realized it at the time.

– Jay Bookman

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Southern Comfort

December 27th, 2010
8:50 am

Is political power best used to preserve political power, or do you use it to actually get things done? The Democrats and Obama took the second option, although I doubt they fully realized it at the time.

Interesting thought. I think they’ve done more than most of the recent sessions of Congress, but they ran away from their accomplishments in the election. Time will tell whether their accomplishments better the country of further increase the divisions and partisanship.

Mick

December 27th, 2010
8:50 am

The question going forward is how will the repubs govern? Will obama try to emulate clinton using triangulation as a strategy? Finally, what issue will obama get out there and fight for, like he did with his tax cut compromise? I’m hoping that he will invest the bully pulpit with making social security stronger and out of the reach of wall street.

Normal

December 27th, 2010
8:51 am

Jay,
Good Morning and Happy Holidays.
Do you think that Harry Reid will try to change the Senate rule on the filibuster January 5, like is being said, or will he fold? I have to admit he showed some gumption the final days of the session and got the things you mentioned done plus the Veterans bill…good job there.

Joel Edge

December 27th, 2010
8:53 am

We’ll see how well things got done in 2012. None of this is actually going to repair the economy. The old saying about rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic comes to mind.

Gale

December 27th, 2010
8:53 am

Mick, I cannot see how Obama showed any interest at all in making social security stronger. Reducing the flow of money into Social Security will certainly not help. Yet that was part of that tax bill.

Jay

December 27th, 2010
8:56 am

Joel, is the government responsible for repairing the economy?

TaxPayer

December 27th, 2010
8:57 am

Is political power best used to preserve political power, or do you use it to actually get things done?

HO! HO! HO!

That would seem to depend on whom one asks as well as the definition of “is” for I do believe that the GOP would proclaim that they did get done precisely what they wished to get done via their obstructionist strategy. As for what they will accomplish beginning next year, well, I just can’t wait. Just the thought of the increased tax revenues that necessarily follow each new tax cut that the Republicans have planned for each and every one of us has me all giddy inside. And the thoughts of what they will do to that healthcare legislation, aka, ObamaCare, sends chills down my leg. On a more somber note though, what will become of poor Johnny now that he has gone and voted against the party. Poor guy. Maybe Nathan can pull some strings and help him out when the time comes.

RAMBLE ON!!!

December 27th, 2010
8:57 am

I was impressed with how they managed to bump up unemployment to 10%, and only spent a trillion dollars to do it.

Normal

December 27th, 2010
8:59 am

Ramble On, keep ramblin’…you’ll get it right one day…

Joel Edge

December 27th, 2010
9:02 am

Jay@8:56
In this case: yes. They’ve done such a marvelous job of destroying it. If you’re to take responsibility for the recovery, shouldn’t you also take responsibility for the crash. Stimulus spending infers that the government can repair the economy. How’s that working?

TaxPayer

December 27th, 2010
9:03 am

I was impressed with how they managed to bump up unemployment to 10%, and only spent a trillion dollars to do it.

If you think that was something, wait until they really start cutting those government jobs — teachers, police, firefighters — here in Georgia. There will be very little, if any, HOPE left once the GOP has completed its mission.

Mick

December 27th, 2010
9:04 am

gale

I hear what you are saying. If obama doesn’t come out and fight to strengthen social security, then he will lose a lot of support. Obama is pretty lucky that the repub contenders for president are pretty impotent at this point…

Jay

December 27th, 2010
9:05 am

That reads like a rather contorted answer, Joel.

I’m repeatedly struck by the conservatives who insist that gov’t has no role to play in the economy AND that the government has failed to repair the economy.

It can be one or the other. Not both.

Doggone/GA

December 27th, 2010
9:09 am

“you’ll get it right one day”

Nah, he’s already got it “right” – but someday he’ll be CORRECT.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 27th, 2010
9:10 am

Well, it’s cold enough out here to freeze the you-know-whats off of a brass monkey.

Anyhow, looks like this Congress rammed more librul stuff down our throat. It’s for sure I won’t never vote for this Johnny Isaakson again. I might of knowed. His last name sounds like a Jew name and we know all the Jews are librul.

I can’t hardly wait to see all the military wedding announcements in the papers. “Mr. and Mrs. Joe Blow announce the wedding of their son Specialist First Class John Blow to Sgt. Joe Schmoe.” It won’t be long now till they make all of us get gay married.

At least I got my Tax Cut out of this mess. Even if the worthless bums keep laying back and drawing a big check for not working. I’m so disgusted. I can’t hardly wait till Sarah gets into the White House. She’ll fix this country good.

Have a good Monday all you lucky people with inside jobs.

Mick

December 27th, 2010
9:12 am

Well, it’s a crisp 39 degree morning here in miami and it’s time to get on the bike and pedal down to the local dunkin donut, buy a real newspaper, and read it cover to cover. The best 50 cent investment of the day.
The next two years are make or break for obama, however there would have to be an extraordinary turn of events for me to ever pull the switch for a repub, their political philosophy as a party is nowhere man.

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
9:13 am

Two words – abject failure.

Joel Edge

December 27th, 2010
9:14 am

Jay@9:05
Actually you’re right.They can’t repair the economy. But it’s been a staple of political leanings for quite a while. The only thing the government can do is slow the recovery. And passing a bunch of useless crap, then proclaiming some major victory is just trying to mask the failure. Bi-partisan sell-out of the working class (by both parties) has really been, IMHO, the problem.We’ve been living on home equity and credit cards for a while. Wages are stagnant and jobs are overseas. Where the “recovery” is coming from, I don’t have a clue.

Southern Comfort

December 27th, 2010
9:15 am

Obama is pretty lucky that the repub contenders for president are pretty impotent at this point…

:shock:

Bob Dole is running again?!!?

Keep up the good fight!

December 27th, 2010
9:15 am

Ramble On also fails to account for the infrastructure improvements that are in process because of that 1 trillion.

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
9:16 am

“If you think that was something, wait until they really start cutting those government jobs — teachers, police, firefighters — here in Georgia.”

Maybe the local governments will finally step up and fund what they should have been funding on their own with local dollars instead of federal dollars. Nah – that would be too responsible of them.

TaxPayer

December 27th, 2010
9:18 am

Bob Dole is running again?!!?

Now that’s just limp. I mean, lame.

@@

December 27th, 2010
9:25 am

The 111th stuffed sausage.

Well worth watching is our Congress. Without their “need to doo doo”, there’d be no unintended consequences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsUZkxyYJUk&feature=player_embedded

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December 27th, 2010
9:27 am

This site is eating comments, jay.

Granny Godzilla

December 27th, 2010
9:27 am

The only lame ducks in the 111th Congress were Mitch McConnell, John Boehner and Eric Cantor.

Fittin’. Truly Fittin’.

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
9:28 am

“I’m repeatedly struck by the conservatives who insist that gov’t has no role to play in the economy AND that the government has failed to repair the economy.”

Jay. Please.

The former is the way things should have been Constitutionally, while the latter is what happens when the government fails to follow Constitutional principles. Yet both are failues; one in action and one via incompetence by those who have no clue how an economy should work.

Del

December 27th, 2010
9:29 am

Hopefully we’ll see the new Congress seriously tackle jobs and deficit issues. Unfortunately Obama and his fellow pandercrats focused much of their efforts on a social agenda largely repudiated by voters in November. Fortunately the dream act got shot down. The Start Treaty should have had more review and discussion in January as the Russia Parliament says it will do. The repeal of DADT without also repealing Article 125 of the UCMJ, which would require an act of Congress, seems like a hollow victory for gay’s in the military. Once again the party of pander put base ideology ahead of the serious issues.

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
9:31 am

Granny, since the definition of a lame duck is a politician still serving following a failue to be re-elected until their term runs out, your comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. (Hint: they were all re-elected)

But it’s what we’ve come to expect from you . . . :)

RAMBLE ON!!!

December 27th, 2010
9:31 am

I’d ask if you are better off than we were 2 years ago, but you liberal retards on here would say yes because you’re getting an extra year of your unemployment benefits.

One more week and the wicked witch of the west will be gone!!!

Granny Godzilla

December 27th, 2010
9:31 am

Del

Bless your heart.

@@

December 27th, 2010
9:33 am

From “The National Journal” piece, jay.

…the Democrats’ agenda appeared incapable of, and even tangential to, creating jobs, the public’s main concern. Many of the Democrats’ priorities “didn’t seem relevant to what the public was struggling with,” says lobbyist Vic Fazio, the former chairman of the House Democratic Caucus.”

And therein lies the problem.

Disgusted

December 27th, 2010
9:33 am

Now that’s just limp. I mean, lame.

Shame on you, TaxPayer. Shame. Go directly to your room without dinner.

@@

December 27th, 2010
9:34 am

Drop the slanties on that last sentence.

Jay

December 27th, 2010
9:35 am

Dave R, a straight-up question:

Is it Obama’s responsibility to fix the economy? Yes or no.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 27th, 2010
9:35 am

Joel Edge@9:14 am
Bi-partisan sell-out of the working class (by both parties) has really been, IMHO, the problem.We’ve been living on home equity and credit cards for a while. Wages are stagnant and jobs are overseas. Where the “recovery” is coming from, I don’t have a clue.
———————–

Thanks Joel for making me feel better

:-)

Granny Godzilla

December 27th, 2010
9:36 am

Dave R

It makes perfect sense under the circumstances and you damn well know it.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 27th, 2010
9:36 am

abject failure….. I heard that was George Bushs Secret Service code name

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
9:37 am

Yes, Jay, by removing all government impediments to private businesses. As soon as you get government out of the business of private business, the economy will right itself.

TGT

December 27th, 2010
9:37 am

I’ll quote myself: The “most productive Congress in 50 years” suffered the greatest election loss in over 70 years, with even greater losses in the Statehouses. I guess America didn’t see it as all that “productive.”

And THE signature accomplishment, Obamacare, may not survive in the courts, and could still serve as election fodder for the republicans come 2012.

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
9:38 am

And in that regrad, Jay, he’s been an abject failure as well.

False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR)

December 27th, 2010
9:38 am

Granny @ 9:27 – How true! Those cats are the Larry, Curly and Moe of the 111th Congress. Lets see how well they govern in the 112th. Should be fun to watch them poke each other in the eyes.

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
9:38 am

“It makes perfect sense under the circumstances and you damn well know it.”

Only in your fantsay world, Granny.

Vinny

December 27th, 2010
9:40 am

Victories for who, Jay? Obama or the American people. Obama’s only goal is to win meaningless political “victories” for politics sake. He has no interest in doing what is right for America.

N-GA

December 27th, 2010
9:40 am

Dave – Please cite the part of the Constitution that reads the federal government has no role in the economy.

Of all the problems with the current economy, I would say the Federal government’s contribution was that for the last 25 years they have been excessively “laissez faire”. With more oversight, the problem with CDO’s/CDS’s (and no requirement that there be reserves to back them) would have been mitigated.

Vinny

December 27th, 2010
9:40 am

Granny – No, it does not make sense, and you know it.

RAMBLE ON!!!

December 27th, 2010
9:41 am

Jay sure was convinced that George W. destroyed the economy a few years ago.

You remember him, the guy with 5% average unemployment for 8 years.

Normal

December 27th, 2010
9:42 am

Del,
your Article 125 is explained here…

At its heart, “don’t ask, don’t tell” is all about equating speech to prohibited conduct (e.g., a violation of UCMJ Article 125, sodomy). All gay sex (and for those who didn’t know, all oral and anal sex between men and women, too, even your spouse) is considered sodomy by the UCMJ. Therefore the simple expression, “I am gay” is considered equivalent to admitting that one has in the past, is going to, or has a propensity to, violate Article 125 of the UCMJ — therefore you get kicked out. Such is obviously not the case for straight service members, though, as oral sex is so common as to be admitted by 80% of the U.S. population.

This is another major inequality of “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

Consider the following example: two soldiers are standing side by side, each holding up a sign. One soldier’s sign says “I had oral sex with my wife last night;” the other soldier’s sign says, “I am gay.” Only the gay soldier will get kicked out, since it is assumed he has or is likely to or has a propensity to violate the UCMJ (even if he hasn’t). The married soldier will not only NOT get kicked out (despite admitting to violating the UCMJ), but will likely get a round of cheers from his buddies.

Also, ANY sex, straight or Gay is not allowed on board Navy Ships (and the Navy is all I can account for) and is pusishable under the UCMJ. What is done away from that ship is nobodys
business.

Gale

December 27th, 2010
9:44 am

I think government’s “interference” in the economy is from subsidies, not regulations. Many regulations are for the purpose of protecting us citizens. Subsidies are attempts to bolster various segments of the economy. That should be left to the free market. When the government meddles in the market, things go badly awry. Case in point, corn to produce ethanol instead of food leads to higher food prices and over production of corn.

Finn McCool

December 27th, 2010
9:45 am

Pelosi will go down in history as one of the greatest speakers of all time.

Effective, effective, effective.

@@

December 27th, 2010
9:45 am

Obama THINKS he can fix the economy.

(Sept. 10) — President Barack Obama accused Republicans of playing political games instead of pitching in to fix the economy, and asked impatient voters to give a Democratic-controlled Congress more time to crank up the economic recovery.

Crank up!!??!!

Joel Edge

December 27th, 2010
9:45 am

Common Sense isn’t very Common@9:35
“Thanks Joel for making me feel better”
Let me make you feel even better. These things are fortunately (or unfortunately) self correcting. I suspect you’ve read enough history. Falling jobs, income, taxes, equals less money to project this Pax Americana we’ve enjoyed since the late forties. North Korea, China, Venezuela, Iran, etc….
Cuts are going to have to come from somewhere. You think it’s ugly overseas now, I think the corrections coming. Manufacturers are going to be looking for a safe place to make a profit. I just hope it’s us.
Just my opinion.

Finn McCool

December 27th, 2010
9:45 am

Pelosi would make a good running mate for someone if she’s not too old in 2016.

Jay

December 27th, 2010
9:46 am

Dave R., that’s truly magical thinking.

Government causes all economic collapses/crises?

Remove gov’t, and economic collapses no longer occur?

Remarkable.

Granny Godzilla

December 27th, 2010
9:46 am

Finn

AMen!

But I suspect she’s only on a 2 year hiatus…..

TGT

December 27th, 2010
9:46 am

I’ll help Dave R. out: No it’s not Obama’s job to “fix the economy,” but it is the responsibility of good government to foster an atmosphere (through fair taxation, regulation, etc.) that encourages economic growth, and it is certainly the responsibility of good government to “do no harm” when it comes to the economy. Obama fails on both fronts.

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
9:49 am

” Please cite the part of the Constitution that reads the federal government has no role in the economy.”

Can’t cite what isn’t there, N-GA. And since there is no explicit role defined in the Constitution for government to regulate / meddle in the economy, it is not their role. Remember, the Constitution is a government LIMITING document. If something isn’t in there giving expressed duties to any branch of governemnt, it wasn’t supposed to be allowed according to the Founding Fathers.

The oft-mentioned “Commerce Clause” was designed to make sure that states didn’t try to put tarriffs on products sent from one to the other. That was the designed extent of federal government interference in commerce.

Gale

December 27th, 2010
9:49 am

Finn, I don’t know about that. The last ex-speaker to occupy the Whitehouse didn’t do too well. There is a big difference between wrangling the Congress and managing the executive branch.

Dave

December 27th, 2010
9:50 am

I guess it would be how you define “productive”. The 11th Congress passed the most laws since the 60’s. Big gov’t types of course would say that’s “productive”, but I’d say that most American’s would rather giv’t stay out of their business.

jconservative

December 27th, 2010
9:50 am

The question on the table: NO, it is not the role of government to fix the economy. But since we have been trying for 100 plus years we will probably continue to try.

One may detest the large number pieces of legislation Obama signed but one cannot dispute the sheer volume of legislation he signed. Jay is correct, one must go back to the days of Lyndon Johnson to find a more productive 2 years for a US president.

And if we add Bush 43’s last year to Obama’s two years, we have the most productive 3 years in memory. You may not like what was signed by either president, but the volume is amazing.

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
9:54 am

“Government causes all economic collapses/crises?

Remove gov’t, and economic collapses no longer occur?”

Jay, you, of all people, should know never to make conclusions based on faulty comprehension.

Never said “Government causes all economic collapses/crises”, and you know it. Did say that they impede private businesses from achieving their potential. Don’t ever put words in my mouth, Jay.

Nor did I say that “Remove gov’t, and economic collapses no longer occur”, and you know it. Did say that private businesses do better without government intervention. Don’t ever put words in my mouth, Jay.

Del

December 27th, 2010
9:54 am

Normal,

I suspect that the repeal of DADT may prove to be difficult and could have unintended consequences. Repeal of Article 125 requires Congressional approval. I think this was all about politics where those in the administration and Congress who supported repeal new that allowing open homosexuality in the military still faces a long and difficult road.

Dave

December 27th, 2010
9:54 am

Don’t forget taht Obama, again, mentioned that the economy will be his “singular focus” for the next 2 years… if course he said basically the same thing a year ago (”laser-like focus” on the economy) and after he was elected.

Michael H. Smith

December 27th, 2010
9:56 am

Jay

December 27th, 2010
8:56 am

is the government responsible for repairing the economy?

Only if you think Article 1 Section 8 is valid?

I do.

Which means simply getting something done is no better than preserving power for the sake of retaining power. Americans pointed that out to the socialist liberal Democrats this last election.

Your Democrats are not standing on any moral or political high ground, Jay.

Their next course of actions will only enrage the voters that threw them out of power all the more, as they pursue circumventing the will of the people and the Congress they elected to represent them via a bureaucratic the misuse of regulations.

barking frog

December 27th, 2010
9:56 am

We have watched the ‘messiah’ revealed as the
moderate manipulator even to the liberal worshipers.
It seems he will be an able President but not a great
one unless he can hold the line on ‘health care’.
The 111th will probably lose much of the ‘credit’
currently given as legislative tweaks will change
much of its accomplishments. The sweeping
changes made by LBJ far exceed anything done
by the 111th even after the destruction done to
the ‘Great Society’ in the past 50 years.

RAMBLE ON!!!

December 27th, 2010
9:56 am

Please put Queen Nancy up in 2016!!!

You liberals are crazier than I thought…and that’s pretty crazy!!!

Even Sarah would beat her like a drum in a landslide.

Finn McCool

December 27th, 2010
9:57 am

One aspect of government in the economy is to regulate business through regulatory and, if necessary, legal processes. Of course conservatives want neither one – no regulations of business and no legal proceedings when businesses act malevolently on businesses or individuals.

I’m willing to bet most conservatives don’t respect Teddy Roosevelt for busting up the trusts, malpractice lawsuits against the injured, legal proceedings against companies that pollute, etc, etc, etc.

Finn McCool

December 27th, 2010
10:01 am

The 111th will probably lose much of the ‘credit’ currently given…

All conservatives have is speculation. like we liberals spent the last 10 years speculating that W would go down as the worst President ever….verdict is still out.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 27th, 2010
10:01 am

Joel Edge@9:45 am
Falling jobs, income, taxes, equals less money to project this Pax Americana we’ve enjoyed since the late forties. North Korea, China, Venezuela, Iran, etc….
Cuts are going to have to come from somewhere. You think it’s ugly overseas now, I think the corrections coming. Manufacturers are going to be looking for a safe place to make a profit. I just hope it’s us.
Just my opinion.
——————

We have been a safe haven for years. For that manufacturers/corporations paid taxes. Take the taxes away and they will be less safe.

The corporations have chosen to offshore in the pursuit of profits and the shareholders have no one to blame but THEMSELVES if it all falls apart.

We in the US have had the luxury of growing up in a safe environment (for the most part) clean air, water. No wars being fought on US soil. Now there are those that say there should be NO TAXES that has allowed these luxuries to remain in places. Odd eh.

Jay

December 27th, 2010
10:02 am

You put the words in your own mouth, Dave R:

“As soon as you get government out of the business of private business, the economy will right itself.”

Vinny

December 27th, 2010
10:06 am

How does it enhance the security of the United States to have gays openly serving in the military while we agree to do nothing to enhance our ability to defend ourselves against growing threats from Iran, North Korea, and, yes, China. Meanwhile, Iran is building a missile facility in Venezuela.

Hello?

Paulo977

December 27th, 2010
10:06 am

Del @9:54am
“repeal of DADT…difficult could have unintended cosequences ” Hope springs eternal in the human breast doesn’t it? !!!!!!!!!!

stands for decibels

December 27th, 2010
10:08 am

Of course, Democrats paid a heavy price for that success in November

I get where you’re going with that sentence but I disagree with it. They passed solid enough legislation, they did a crap job of promoting it and a crappier job of even owning up to it.

If they’d followed up properly, they would’ve gotten Obama’s voters off their asses and into the polls in November, and we wouldn’t be talking about Speaker John of Orange.

That said, it’s ultimately the voters’ fault, not the 111th, for sitting on their asses, and now we’re stuck with two years of emboldened stupidity.

Mick

December 27th, 2010
10:09 am

dave r

The united states of amnesia, this economy tanked big time in sept. of 08 when the previous president enacted all of the great conservative “principles”, tax cuts, relaxed regulations and on and on. Yes, obama owns the mess but do you really believe that if mccain had prevailed that we would be in a better place right now? Honest answer, please.

Keep up the good fight!

December 27th, 2010
10:10 am

Right Vinny…I mean when you have a soldier trained and proven in battle who also happens to speak arabic languages in areas that the military does not have sufficient translators it makes every sense in the world to kick him out because someone accuses him of being gay.

But go ahead, ask the 31 Republican senators against the removal of DADT to repeal it…..oh, wait, there is that pesky constitutional issue but righties only care about the Constitution when it favors their issues.

Michael H. Smith

December 27th, 2010
10:11 am

Jay

December 27th, 2010
10:02 am

You put the words in your own mouth, Dave R:

“As soon as you get government out of the business of private business, the economy will right itself.”

If it is all the same to you, Jay, I’ll hedge my bet to say as soon as Congress does its’ duty to regulate the economy rather than delegate those powers to an unelected bureaucracy of bureaucrats writing and enacting regulatory legislation the economy might right itself.

Every regulation should be voted on by the Congress in full before it can become enforceable as a law.

Adam

December 27th, 2010
10:11 am

Is political power best used to preserve political power, or do you use it to actually get things done?

My opinion: You use it to get things done. And if you get things done you apparently suffer for doing so. Still, it’s a far better thing to have gotten some of these overhauls out of the way. They were BADLY needed and should help smooth the future a bit, as long as the backlash doesn’t repeal all of it.

ty webb

December 27th, 2010
10:14 am

ah yes…seems Jay finally got the memo regarding the whole “most successful session” talking point.

Joel Edge

December 27th, 2010
10:16 am

Common Sense isn’t very Common@10:01
“The corporations have chosen to offshore in the pursuit of profits and the shareholders have no one to blame but THEMSELVES if it all falls apart.”
Not really. free trade agreements have made it easier to move overseas. Leveling the playing field only works if everyone actually plays fair. It’s been my experience that foreign companies don’t. Just a personal observation. When you lose jobs to overseas you also lose the taxes that the employees pay. Corporate tax rates will eventually drive companies completely overseas. Then you lose that. But I’m not commenting on what’s fair or not fair to companies.
I’m just stating that a correction is coming. I hoped that it wouldn’t be that kind of correction, but the last four years have cured me of that illusion.

TaxPayer

December 27th, 2010
10:16 am

Anyway, I think it was something like 25% of the 17-24 age group that is even qualified to take the military entrance exam and then only 25% of that 25% passed the test — a test that included such mind-boggling questions as, If x + 2 = 4, what is the value of x. Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell needs to be re-applied to a different group[s] if the military expects to be able to populate its ranks in the future. How ’bout “Don’t ask if he’s an illegal and he won’t tell,” or “Don’t ask if he can read, write or do basic math and he won’t tell.”

Kamchak

December 27th, 2010
10:16 am

Every regulation should be voted on by the Congress in full before it can become enforceable as a law.

Ensuring that no regulation will ever be enacted.

Jackie

December 27th, 2010
10:17 am

It appears the government plays a VERY significant role in the economy, even with the Founding Fathers attempt to limit the governmental impact.

http://ecedweb.unomaha.edu/lessons/fecga.htm

Normal

December 27th, 2010
10:19 am

Del,
I think you miss the point. Article 125 does not have to be repealed. It will only be inforced on base or on ship, for straight and gay alike as it always has. I knew a guy who always wanted to have sex with his wife on board ship. He thought shaft ally would be the safest place to go but un beknowst to him. it was “on camera”. Security let them have their fun then busted them when they came back up. He received a DD. Not good. I would expect that to be the current fact of life. Busted on board or on base…you’re outta there.

retired early

December 27th, 2010
10:20 am

It is starting to look like McConnell, Boehner and co stepped a little too far right in the political “cow pasture” this time.
Finally…some movement from the center of the party of NO…and we got some good accomplished for this country.

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
10:23 am

“You put the words in your own mouth, Dave R:”

Far different from your wild-a$$ed conclusions, Jay, and if you had an iota of intellectual honesty, you’d admit it.

Doggone/GA

December 27th, 2010
10:24 am

“Every regulation should be voted on by the Congress in full before it can become enforceable as a law.”

AKA micromanagement – as if Congress even has the TIME to micromanage each and every tiny facet of how to implement the laws they pass. Did is ever occur to you that if they HAD that time they would just put all those micromanaged details in the law when they pass it?

Jay

December 27th, 2010
10:24 am

not different in the least, Dave R. You clearly put the entire onus on government for the economy’s failings.

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
10:25 am

“Yes, obama owns the mess but do you really believe that if mccain had prevailed that we would be in a better place right now?”

Mick, honest answer; we’d be in no worse shape, and probably better.

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
10:26 am

“not different in the least, Dave R.”

Only if you don’t comprehend the English language, or if you aren’t intellectually honest.

Which covers your situation, Jay?

Granny Godzilla

December 27th, 2010
10:27 am

Dave R

“we’d be in no worse shape, and probably better”

Oh please do expound on that nugget.

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
10:28 am

“You clearly put the entire onus on government for the economy’s failings.”

No, Jay, I put government’s interference in holding back the economy from recovering, which is two entirely different things according to the English language.

Adam

December 27th, 2010
10:29 am

Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell needs to be re-applied to a different group[s] if the military expects to be able to populate its ranks in the future.

No, I think we should leave the test that way. Inability to basic algebra doesn’t disqualify you anyway. If people are failing the tests, then good. We need at least SOME brain to be in our military’s staff.

Dave R Mick, honest answer; we’d be in no worse shape, and probably better.

Given how he acted before, during, and after the campaign, I think you must be delusional about this. Also don’t forget we would have Sarah Palin as Vice President.

Jay

December 27th, 2010
10:29 am

I’m content to leave that decision to those who read here, Dave R.

Dave R.

December 27th, 2010
10:30 am

“Oh please do expound on that nugget.”

Not for you, Granny. You wouldn’t understand logic.

TaxPayer

December 27th, 2010
10:30 am

Oh please do expound on that nugget.

Oh yes. Please do. Make it even lighter and fluffier.

Adam

December 27th, 2010
10:31 am

Also Dave R, you may have noticed that during the years Bush was in office and regulations were repealed that things didn’t actually get better for most Americans. They did, in fact, get worse. Regulations do not cause complete and utter economic collapse. I would argue that lack of regulation on extremely huge companies seeking to destroy everything in their path is a much more likely cause of economic collapse.

False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR)

December 27th, 2010
10:33 am

stands for decibels @ 10:08. Roger that!!! This is one of the reasons why the President got a little miffed with his party when the Dems whined as his hands were forced during the tax extention deal. The Democrats stayed home and sat on thier hands during midterm elections. If every single one of the beneficiaries of the 13 month unemployment extention had voted, the Dems would have likely kept the House.

Adam

December 27th, 2010
10:34 am

FEAR: The Democrats stayed home and sat on their hands during midterm elections.

Quoted for truth.

Michael H. Smith

December 27th, 2010
10:34 am

Kamchak

December 27th, 2010
10:16 am

Every regulation should be voted on by the Congress in full before it can become enforceable as a law.

Ensuring that no regulation will ever be enacted.

Ensuring that every regulation ever enacted as law is truly representative of the electorate at the time, in compliance to Article 1 Section 8. As surely as the citizenry of this country has the right to change representation, it retains the right to change any or all regulations or laws concurrently via their elected representation but never via unelected appointees.

Granny Godzilla

December 27th, 2010
10:34 am

Dave R

So you got nothing but a cheap shot.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 27th, 2010
10:35 am

Michael H. Smith@10:11 am

If it is all the same to you, Jay, I’ll hedge my bet to say as soon as Congress does its’ duty to regulate the economy rather than delegate those powers to an unelected bureaucracy of bureaucrats writing and enacting regulatory legislation the economy might right itself.

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You want congress to vote on every bill and regulation LMAO.

The congress seems incapable on passing a stand alone bill. They bury measures in other bills and then tell the public that they HAD to vote for the greater good. Both sides lie constantly THEIR job as THEY see it is to get re-elected PERIOD.

It testifies to the strength of the economy (that Bill Clinton left) that when George Bush took over that it took Bush 8 years (2003-2006 of total repub) to destroy it. Maybe it won’t take so long to rebuild it as we think. But with the Pres. following the republican lead instead of leading himself I am not sure where the hell he is heading.