When the Tea Party wave crashes into D.C. wall
When last we checked in with the Tea Party movement, it had claimed victories throughout the nation in the midterm elections and served notice on Republicans and Democrats alike that things in Washington were going to change. No more earmarks. No more secret negotiations. No more deficit spending. No more lobbyists running Congress.
So where are we now?
Dana Milbank of the Washington Post reports on the education of Tea Party darling Kristi Noem:
“When the good people of South Dakota voted last month to send Republican Kristi Noem to Congress, they probably believed that she would give no quarter to the lobbyists and special interest groups who enjoyed, as she put it, “throwing money at the feet of a member of Congress.”
But since she defeated Democratic Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (in part by making an issue of Herseth Sandlin’s marriage to a lobbyist), Noem has hired as her new chief of staff . . . a lobbyist! And on Tuesday afternoon, she was the guest of honor at a “Meet & Greet” with Washington high-rollers at the powerhouse lobbying firm Barbour Griffiths Rogers. Once these boys start throwing money at Noem’s feet, she’ll soon be chin deep in lobbyist greenbacks.”
Closer to home, the folks over at Peachpundit note that anti-earmark fervor already seems to be waning among some:
Here is Senator Saxby Chambliss precisely one month ago:
“I have consistently voted for the elimination of earmarks in the past and will support the earmark-moratorium resolution today.”
And here he is today:“I recently voted in support of an earmark moratorium to help reduce federal spending in the next Congress. As I have previously stated, while this is not the answer to our budget woes, it is a good start.”
Why, then, Senator, do you personally have 42 earmarks in the Omnibus Spending Bill?”
Johnny Isakson, for the record, requested 24 earmarks in the bill. Among other things, the two sought $5 million to support dredging in the Savannah River, $1.25 million for a “biofuels, biopower and biomaterials initiative,” $2 million for “Atlanta environmental infrastructure” and $300,000 for “meth prevention and awareness.” They were joined in many of those requests by Democrats in the Georgia House delegation.
The Financial Times notes that no more 30 House Republicans are expected to oppose the tax-cut compromise with Obama, even though the deal reinstates the estate tax, adds to the deficit and maintains unemployment benefits at the 99-week maximum, items that have angered Tea Party activists.
(Oh, and the deal was also negotiated secretly behind closed doors by the White House and the very same Republican congressional leaders who had campaigned on openness and transparency, and had howled about “backroom deals” on health-care reform.)
“The idea that this massive tax and spend bill has not yet even been written but may be voted on by the Senate . . . is appalling, and has rightfully drawn the anger of Tea Party activists, an anger that will not be diminished,” said a blog posting by the Tea Party Patriots group.
RedState.com, another conservative blog, blasted the inclusion of – and Republican support for – ethanol subsidies in the tax bill. “If Republicans lack the will to strike out at the heart of the dependency and welfare state after a stunning electoral victory, then when will they?” it said.
However, the FT also quotes Adam Brandon, spokesman for FreedomWorks, the corporate astroturf “handler” of much of the Tea Party, as claiming that the deal is good, that “we – the small government conservatives – rolled the president. Let’s take our victory.”
I think that’s the most telling comment of all. Having helped to gin up the Tea Party movement, FreedomWorks is now selling it out in defense of the Republican establishment. After all, you can describe the tax compromise in many ways, but calling it a victory for small-government conservatives takes some fancy spinning indeed.
–Jay Bookman
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SmittyATL
December 16th, 2010
12:44 pm
AmVet: By reposting deplorable comments about Kennedy in the aftermath of his death, you have proven that there are many in our community who lack basic decency and respect.
What you have not demonstrated is that all indecent people are conservative, or that all conservatives are indecent. I’m sure that when Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan passed away, many on the left expressed similar sentiments (albeit in other forums).
I may disagree with your stance on many political issues, but from all indications, you seem to be a decent fellow. I would hope that others feel the same the same about me.
Paul
December 16th, 2010
12:44 pm
Soames
Is it possible to find very many people who are familiar with the ins and outs of Washington, who have contacts and influence with the various agencies, who have executive-level capability, who are NOT or have never been, lobbyists?
Paul
December 16th, 2010
12:45 pm
jewcowboy
Heinlein?
Grock!
Left wing management
December 16th, 2010
12:46 pm
jm: “so you think the Democratic party is too conservative, corrupt, and beholden to corporate interests. I bet you think Obama is one of those sell outs too. Got it, right.”
Not what I said. It’s beholden to a philosophy that is represented by the individuals mentioned.
Mick: “Yes, but maybe there will be a watershed event in the not too distant future that will change everything..”
Absolutely. The irony is that in 2008 we almost had that “watershed event” – a full-blown depression. I wonder if all those conservative-leaning people who agreed with the claim that “too big to fail” is a terrible thing really understand what that might have meant?
Standing in long lines for food vouchers would focus the attention of a lot of people.
Paul
December 16th, 2010
12:46 pm
jewcowboy
sorry ’bout the ‘c’
Grok!
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
12:47 pm
RB from Gwinnett,
“You are aware none of the people we elected have taken office yet aren’t you Jay? ”
You are aware Saxby Chambliss is still in office aren’t you?
Normal
December 16th, 2010
12:49 pm
Some funnies…
http://bltwy.msnbc.msn.com/politics/christmas-gets-political-9207.gallery#wallState=0__%2Fpolitics%2Fchristmas-gets-political-9207.gallery%3FphotoId%3D35886
Bosch
December 16th, 2010
12:50 pm
Paul,
” Last time I “got it” the penicillin treatments were a pain….”
Dammit, that was my last sip of Coke!
Jefferson
December 16th, 2010
12:51 pm
If anything, it will get worse next year when the house goes corporate…
DannyX
December 16th, 2010
12:51 pm
Don’t like it? Just flip the filibuster switch.
You get to the very end then decide to stop using it cold turkey? Nonsense.
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
12:52 pm
Paul,
http://aoife.allegracom.ca/images/verbing_sm.jpg
Soames
December 16th, 2010
12:55 pm
Paul:
That’s my point. All of this anti-lobbyist furor is a red herring. Cat food. I was just pointing out that it isn’t one single political party guilty of this sin….the Democrats love to do it as well. They all belong UNDER the bus.
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
12:56 pm
Jefferson,
“it will get worse next year when the house goes corporate…”
“when”?
carlosgvv
December 16th, 2010
12:56 pm
Jefferson
When the house goes corporate? Surely you jest. The house has been bought and paid for by big business for some time now.
RB from Gwinnett
December 16th, 2010
12:57 pm
JC, what does Saxby have to do with the Tea Party which was the topic of Jay’s posting? He was part of the R led congress under the Bush years that both caused the wipe out of the R’s in 2006, helped elect a community organizer in 2008, and created the need for the Tea Party to start with. If he returns to the ways of the past, he’ll be cast aside too.
You fold might do well to learn that Michael Steel is in charge of the Republican party, but he’s not in charge of what just happened in November.
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
12:57 pm
carlosgvv,
jinx…
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2010
12:58 pm
““when”?”
Not a big deal. Just insert “more” before corporate
Jefferson
December 16th, 2010
12:59 pm
“er” as in more.
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
12:59 pm
RB from Gwinnett,
“what does Saxby have to do with the Tea Party which was the topic of Jay’s posting? ”
Did you read beyond the title?
Union
December 16th, 2010
1:01 pm
afternoon all.. sorry lot of work for the day.. sigh..
@ jay.. like the blog today.. so true.. so true..
@ jewcowboy.. long time no see.. hope youre doing well.
@@ jay.. btw did you hate my holiday season recipe blog idea?
Bosch
December 16th, 2010
1:03 pm
SNOWJAM 2010!!!
I see t-shirts coming your way…..
Del
December 16th, 2010
1:03 pm
Still haven’t seen the regular conservative bloggers who were grave dancing when Ted Kennedy died. I’m talking about myself, Scout, @@, Dusty, Harry Callahan, md, Wylde Byll, Bruno and maybe I’m missing a few others. No fly by postings by non-regular handles as they could very well be frauds.
retiredds
December 16th, 2010
1:06 pm
It’s very simple, the Republicans and the Tea Partiers …. LIE
Paul
December 16th, 2010
1:12 pm
jewcowboy
http://tinyurl.com/2ajo95m
Adam
December 16th, 2010
1:13 pm
RB: the same people who caused the landslide losses for the Dems are still doing the same things that caused the landslide losses.
Who, in your opinion, are “the same people” and what caused the landslide losses? Please be specific.
kitty
December 16th, 2010
1:15 pm
No surprise here. Why would someone spend MILLIONS to run for an office that pays very little really compared to what someone could get in corporate land? Answer: CAMPAIGN money which they ultimately get to keep….and other perks. Otherwise why bother? Don’t give me the “want to help their country” baloney. It is the MONEY.
RB from Gwinnett
December 16th, 2010
1:17 pm
I’m not sure why there is so much hand wringing over lobbyist being in Washington and so little about the people we send there listening to them instead of to the people who elected them. We don’t need to control the salesmen there to do a companies bidding if we control the people we elect and toss their sorry bums out if they can’t keep their hands out of the cookie jar.
But like everything else in the mind of a liberal, the person who listens to the lobbyist couldn’t posssible be responsible for his/her own actions.
RB from Gwinnett
December 16th, 2010
1:19 pm
“Who, in your opinion, are “the same people” and what caused the landslide losses? Please be specific.”
Nancy, Harry, Obama… you know, the ones who have been in charge for the past 2 years and have nothing but a constitutionally challenged healthcare bill to hang their hats on while Rome has burned. Have you not been paying attention Adam?
Barack, The Negotiator
December 16th, 2010
1:20 pm
Still haven’t seen the regular conservative bloggers who were grave dancing when Ted Kennedy died. I’m talking about myself, Scout, @@, Dusty, Harry Callahan, md, Wylde Byll, Bruno and maybe I’m missing a few others. No fly by postings by non-regular handles as they could very well be frauds.
Shouldn’t we compromise on ground rules prior to beginning negotiations on specifics.
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2010
1:21 pm
“No fly by postings by non-regular handles as they could very well be frauds.”
And they could very well be those people you listed, but are too chicken to post such garbage under their “real” names
stands for decibels
December 16th, 2010
1:21 pm
Del @ 1.03, that’s weak. Peadawg and Wyld Byll were there, as was our “Leg Lamp” (who went by “Turd Furgeson” then), and “I Report”, and Bud Wiser. All right wingers, all succumbing to the urge to posting hateful crap about a dead Senator.
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
1:23 pm
Howdy Union,
Been crazy busy this week, but all is well. Hopefully for you too.
Adam
December 16th, 2010
1:23 pm
Where to begin RB?
Yes those same people are still in office. But no, they don’t have JUST the healthcare bill to hang their hats on, and it’s not the bill in its entirety that is challenged. I’ve paid attention more than enough to know that. But you still didn’t answer what CAUSED the the landslide losses. Am I to understand though that the only people you call “the same people” are Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi?
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
1:24 pm
Paul,
AmVet
December 16th, 2010
1:26 pm
Amvet,
Enough with teddy! Why can’t you just let sleeping pigs lie.
It wasn’t my idea to dwell on the topic, ty but it serves a purpose.
The first fool asked for an example. (as though it didn’t exist?) Actually asked is the wrong verb and he didn’t even use the magic word. But I accommodated him nonetheless. The second, ballerina-ed around his eating a crow breakfast and tacitly excused him.
By feeding these disbelievers but a taste of that vast venom, you apologists and enabling naysayers here have the opportunity to learn what you pretend to not know.
Call it tough love. You’ll be better people for it…
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
1:27 pm
RB from Gwinnett,
“But like everything else in the mind of a liberal, the person who listens to the lobbyist couldn’t posssible be responsible for his/her own actions.”
~ “When the good people of South Dakota voted last month to send Republican Kristi Noem to Congress, they probably believed that she would give no quarter to the lobbyists and special interest groups who enjoyed, as she put it, “throwing money at the feet of a member of Congress.”
So liberals elected a Republican to Congress…interesting.
Cajun Kraut
December 16th, 2010
1:27 pm
Jimmy62 – If the tax cuts created all the jobs you claim, why was there zero net job growth in the first decade of the 2000’s?
Tom's Price
December 16th, 2010
1:27 pm
I Object. There. I think that sums up what I came here to do. I feel as though I have accomplished so much for the people. They’re sure to keep re-electing me, given my stellar track record.
DannyX
December 16th, 2010
1:28 pm
“We don’t need to control the salesmen there to do a companies bidding if we control the people we elect and toss their sorry bums out if they can’t keep their hands out of the cookie jar.”
Or we elect them Governor.
AmVet
December 16th, 2010
1:30 pm
SmittyATL, agreed. Agreed. And thank you. And, in my book, you are…
Bob Jones
December 16th, 2010
1:32 pm
There is a reason its called lame duck session. The newly elected don’t take over until the new year. So saying the tea party crashes into the wall is either ignorant or a lie. Which is it Jay, are you a liar or stupid?
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
1:33 pm
DannyX,
“Or we elect them Governor.”
Ouch…
Del
December 16th, 2010
1:34 pm
sfd, Peadawg and Wyld Byll are reg’s but the others I don’t think were with the exception of “I’ Report. What specifically did Peadawg and Wyld Byll post that would support their respective cheer leading over the late Senators death? Just because there was disagreement with Ted Kennedy’s politics and criticism of his behavior doesn’t support an allegation that they celebrated his passing.
Southern Comfort
December 16th, 2010
1:39 pm
Del @ 1.03, that’s weak. Peadawg and Wyld Byll were there, as was our “Leg Lamp” (who went by “Turd Furgeson” then), and “I Report”, and Bud Wiser. All right wingers, all succumbing to the urge to posting hateful crap about a dead Senator.
And they don’t get any further right than “I Report”. If you try to go right of him, you circumnavigate the globe and end up back on the far Left.
JKL2
December 16th, 2010
1:39 pm
Fred-
The “Democrat Party” is a fake group drummed up by organizations like MoveOn.org, Center For American Progress, Huffington Posts, etc., so that they could gain political power. So they could get money. Now that they’ve won you won’t hear from them on this.
I won’t be surprised if the “Democrat Party” dies off now that things like Socialist/Comunists/Marxists have what they wanted all along.
Fixed your typo…
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
1:39 pm
Del,
“I don’t recall conservatives on here or anywhere loudly cheering when Ted Kennedy passed away. We didn’t agree with his politics but I don’t recall the few conservative bloggers on here cheering.”
“sfd, Peadawg and Wyld Byll are reg’s but the others I don’t think were with the exception of “I’ Report.”
Sorry to jump in here…but where in your original post did you qualify your statement with “regulars”?
stands for decibels
December 16th, 2010
1:40 pm
Just because there was disagreement with Ted Kennedy’s politics and criticism of his behavior doesn’t support an allegation that they celebrated his passing.
Del, I think “burn in hell” and oh yes, this classy bit from our “pat”:
The man’s a murderer, he should have died in prison not in any honor what so ever. I’d rather Michael Vick be a senator than Toastied ted.
The country is better off with out him.
The people who are mourning the most? Vodka makers.
…goes well beyond “criticizing his behavior.”
And if you’re not going to consider this roughly equivalent to celebrating the man’s death, I guess we’ll have to leave it at that.
WAW
December 16th, 2010
1:40 pm
The President is doing one heck of a job. He has proven once again that he can get it done. Who would thought that he could get a second stimulus package passed this soon after the opposition party won the House of Representatives? Simply by calling it the renewal of the Bush Tax Cuts, he was able to get every red-neck praising it’s passage. Good job BO!
btw: you tea party folks were, as someone mentioned earlier, played. Now that you have provided everything your coaches wanted, its the bench for you. Sorry!
I'm Regular
December 16th, 2010
1:40 pm
At the pace Del is progressing with the narrowing of the playing field, I project even Jay will not be a regular at his own blog for vey long.
Del
December 16th, 2010
1:47 pm
SoCo,
Maybe there were a few supposed right wing bloggers who posted comments of glee when Ted Kennedy died, however, the majority of conservatives on this blog didn’t celebrate his death by making immature remarks cheering his passing. That accusation made by someone earlier was way out of line.
JDW
December 16th, 2010
1:49 pm
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
1:24 pm
“Calvin and Hobbs and Bloom County were the only reasons I ever looked at the funny papers.”
Amen to that! Have not looked at the funny paper in a long time but I read my Calvin and Hobbes box set all the time
Adam
December 16th, 2010
1:50 pm
The regulars argument is the No True Scotsman fallacy. The added term of regulars was not originally stated. Just sayin.
Also, lol at WAW’s somment. THat pretty much sums it up.
Del
December 16th, 2010
1:51 pm
jewcowboy, what statement would that be?
Adam
December 16th, 2010
1:51 pm
damn typos all over my last post. Oops!
Anyway Del, you may not have celebrated his death, and you may know others who also did not celebrate his death. However, you cannot logically deny the evidence presented from this very blog that many people did.
Del
December 16th, 2010
1:54 pm
sfd, I don’t recall Pat’s comment or if he/she is a regular. I would, however, agree a comment such as that would have been far out of line.
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2010
1:55 pm
“you cannot logically deny the evidence presented from this very blog that many people did”
many, many, many people did. And I can vouch for the fact that it got so ugly a time or two (or three) that I finally just quit that subject because they were so disgusting.
DannyX
December 16th, 2010
1:56 pm
The gangsters did pretty good.
Some of our Republican congressmen have decided to vote against their very own earmarks.
“Very magnanimous, sir, very magnanimous indeed, ha,ha,ha”
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
1:57 pm
Del,
“what statement would that be?”
The one I reposted at 1.39.
stands for decibels
December 16th, 2010
1:59 pm
Del, curious about something else implicit in your earlier posts–do you perceive this blog’s comments page to be more or less overwhelmingly left-leaning?
because I tend to think of it as fairly balanced, about as many left-leaners as right-leaners, with a healthy dollop of centrists and unclassifiable curmudgeons. Just wondering.
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
2:01 pm
“I don’t recall Pat’s comment or if he/she is a regular.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRY_t6GEOB4
Damned androgynous names…
Del
December 16th, 2010
2:02 pm
Adam, I haven’t seen any evidence that the majority of regular conservative bloggers on here cheered Ted Kennedy’s death. I have seen posts where left wing bloggers on here cheered when Dick Cheney was hospitalized, however, I wouldn’t pin that kind of immaturity on the majority of liberal bloggers who regularly post on Jay’s blog.
AmVet
December 16th, 2010
2:03 pm
One last post on the more disgusting right wingers and Ted Kennedy. I have listed at least half a dozen posts to prove the point, and trust me, there are lots and lots more.
As for the “regulars” doing so, I have already provided a couple but I don’t think that is either relevant nor quantifiable.
Many of the “regular” right wingers here have changed names more often than Michael Jordan has changed underwear in those Hanes ads. And several have even been caught prevaricating about doing so.
Only the most deluded don’t believe that there are also gutless and dishonest bloggers here who use multiple concurrent names and also masquerade as one-off, drive by trolls.
But I don’t think many of the more aware here are that easily hoodwinked.
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
2:05 pm
Del,
“I don’t recall conservatives on here or anywhere loudly cheering when Ted Kennedy passed away. We didn’t agree with his politics but I don’t recall the few conservative bloggers on here cheering.”
“I haven’t seen any evidence that the majority of regular conservative bloggers on here cheered Ted Kennedy’s death.”
How about “the few”, as you stated in your original assertion?
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
2:06 pm
AmVet,
“But I don’t think many of the more aware here are that easily hoodwinked.”
Especially when you can recognize someone’s writing style.
Not So Casual Observer
December 16th, 2010
2:07 pm
Ted Kennedy was bad news – period. Teddy was the drunken, immature college kid who remained just that for most of his life.
After John and Bobby were murdered, Teddy was proclaimed the “patriarch” of the Kennedy clan. The nasty deeds of his sons and nephews speak volumes of his influence on the family and the legacy created by his father.
Teddy Kennedy was an example of the nasty result that can come from a life of money and privilege – giving one a sense of entitlement. I guess you could substitute “Congress is” for “Teddy Kennedy was” and still be accurate.
The legacy of Kennedy still resides in Congress, one election will not change the culture, but time can cure the disease either by altering the behavior of those who remain or by throwing them out until there is a responsible Congress.
AmVet
December 16th, 2010
2:07 pm
because I tend to think of it as fairly balanced, about as many left-leaners as right-leaners, with a healthy dollop of centrists and unclassifiable curmudgeons.
WOO HOO!
I sure hope josef and I are in that unclassifiable curmudgeon category!
There ain’t a man alive today
Who doesn’t want to have the world in his hand
And everything to go his way
And abuse what he don’t understand
Some people never can be satisfied
Less they push somebody else around
But I can’t give no aid or take no side
I just watch them drag each other down because
Some folks is even whiter than me
Some folks is even blacker than me
I got myself caught in the middle somewhere
And that’s just where I want to be
I’m talking bout the outside
Talking bout the inside too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd0mBiuOw0E
RB from Gwinnett
December 16th, 2010
2:08 pm
“Where to begin RB?”
How about starting with telling us all what great accomplishments Obama has to hang his legacy on 2 years into his term since you seem to think there is something.
Del
December 16th, 2010
2:09 pm
sfd, I don’t read every post, however, in my general view the ratio of left bloggers to those on the right seems to favor the left. I don’t believe there’s any such thing as a true centrist.
Adam
December 16th, 2010
2:11 pm
Del: Adam, I haven’t seen any evidence that the majority of regular conservative bloggers on here cheered Ted Kennedy’s death
This is not the evidence I’m talking about. I am talking about how many people on this blog did celebrate his death. I made no reference to a majority, a regular, or a regular conservative.
Pat, here
December 16th, 2010
2:13 pm
I have missed all the fun! I was shopping for some new clothes at The Gap.
Del
December 16th, 2010
2:13 pm
jewcowboy, it seems you’re trying to make some kind of a point, however, it’s unclear what it might be. Go ahead and tell me and I’ll try to answer.
Adam
December 16th, 2010
2:13 pm
RB: How about starting with telling us all what great accomplishments Obama has to hang his legacy on 2 years into his term since you seem to think there is something.
Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system
Ended Bush administration’s CIA program of ‘enhanced interrogation methods’ by requiring that the Army field manual be used as the guide for terrorism interrogations
Established Credit Card Bill of Rights, preventing credit card companies from imposing arbitrary rate increases on customers
Added 4.6 billion USD to the Veterans Administration budget to recruit and retain more mental health professionals
Shall I go on? I could make a MUCH longer list.
Not So Casual Observer
December 16th, 2010
2:15 pm
To be clear…
I did not celebrate the death of Teddy Kennedy but drawing one’s last breath does not change the manner in which one lived.
Del
December 16th, 2010
2:18 pm
Adam, what then is your point. I’ve seen foolish incoherent comments from both sides of the political spectrum on Jay’s blog. I typically ignore them unless on very few occasion someone was personally attacking me.
Adam
December 16th, 2010
2:20 pm
Del: Well if you are acknowledging that people did celebrate his death on this very blog then I have made the point I was trying to. That is all I was trying to say.
Normal
December 16th, 2010
2:21 pm
drawing one’s last breath does not change the manner in which one lived.
And neither does one sin invalidate one’s life work…
AmVet
December 16th, 2010
2:21 pm
Adam and RB, playing the devil’s advocate here, but…
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. The first bill President Obama signed into law, on January 29, 2009, was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which expands the rights of workers to sue employers over wage discrimination claims.
SCHIP expansion. On February 5, 2009, Obama signed a bill expanding the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to cover 4 million more lower-income children.
Public lands bill. On March 30, Obama signed an omnibus public lands bill, which The New York Times reported “allows for 2 million more acres to be declared wilderness… [with] more than 1,000 miles designated as scenic rivers, and adds land for national trails.”
(Already noted but an expanded description) Credit card reform. On May 21, 2009, Obama signed into law a bill providing what USA Today called the “most sweeping changes to the credit card industry in 40 years,” adding restrictions on interest rate increases and fees and restricting the marketing of credit cards to college student.
Tobacco regulation. On June 22, 2009, Obama signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, which, for the first time, gave the U.S. Food & Drug Administration the authority to regulate the manufacturing, marketing, and sale of tobacco.
Protected more than 2 million acres of wilderness land and several rivers with the Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009..
Restored critical protections under the Endangered Species Act, which had been removed by a last-minute rule change in the final days of the Bush administration.
Reversed the Bush rule that opened the door to mountaintop removal coal mining and canceled several individual mountaintop mining permits.
Kamchak
December 16th, 2010
2:23 pm
jewcowboy, it seems you’re trying to make some kind of a point, however, it’s unclear what it might be.
You’ve moved the goal post.
First you stated, “I don’t recall conservatives on here or anywhere…
Then, when evidence began showing up to “refudiate” your assertion, you qualified it with, “I haven’t seen any evidence that the majority of regular conservative bloggers on here…”
Now you are lamely trying to walk it back.
Bearing false witness is one of the big ten no-nos
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
2:24 pm
Del,
“Go ahead and tell me and I’ll try to answer.”
I think Adam handled that admirably at 1.50 and 2.20.
@@
December 16th, 2010
2:27 pm
No fly by postings by non-regular handles as they could very well be frauds.
Noooooo!!!
It’s not like we haven’t harpooned the Mobys before. Some of the funniest moments in blog history, they were.
And I’m not one to claim that someone’s post is over the line. I’m one of those who advocates free speech for one and all. AmVet, on the other hand, would declare What’s free for him is not for them.
The lion has roared!
In like a lion…out like a lamb!
Ted’s dead and that’s that!
Del
December 16th, 2010
2:29 pm
Adam, okay with that as I’m sure there were a relative few who did engage in grave dancing. You’ll find fools no matter where you go and the left has its share as well. I won’t get into my own distinction but I see liberals as one group and the far left as another.
AmVet
December 16th, 2010
2:31 pm
“I’m one of those who advocates
free speech for one and allturning public forums into cesspools.”Normal, what?!
Taking a balanced look at someone’s record and life?!
Weighing and balancing out the pros and cons thereof?!
In this example the ONLY thing the haters refer to is Chappaquiddick and drinking.
NOTHING ELSE.
And why their selective myopia and memories is generally “refudiated” by more reasoned and reasonable people…
Tom
December 16th, 2010
2:33 pm
Well, sure, AmVet @ 2:21, but other than that, there’s hardly anything…….
Southern Comfort
December 16th, 2010
2:35 pm
Del
There were not many who would qualify as regulars that actively participated in the Kennedy dance. There were many trolls that delighted in posting crap that day. Most of the regulars here, both left and right, are pretty cordial to each other for the most part. The inflammatory stuff usually comes from non-regulars on both sides. There’s exceptions from time to time, but that’s usually what I see happening here. I think it’s bad taste to make fun of anyone else’s health/demise period, but maybe that’s because I was raised with decent morals and manners.
Del
December 16th, 2010
2:38 pm
jewcowboy, you and Adam missed my reply to USinUK. See my 10:27am. Next time you’re attempting to make a point pertaining to any comment I might have made, I’ll be sure to let another blogger make it for you as evidently that’s your preference. It will save time that way.
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
2:40 pm
Southern Comfort,
“I think it’s bad taste to make fun of anyone else’s health/demise period, but maybe that’s because I was raised with decent morals and manners.’
Unless their demise was caused by auto-erotic asphyxiation…then it is open season.
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
2:43 pm
Del,
“you and Adam missed my reply to USinUK. See my 10:27am. ”
Hence my original question: “Sorry to jump in here…but where in your original post did you qualify your statement with “regulars”?”
You could answered then and saved us some time
Del
December 16th, 2010
2:45 pm
Kamchak@2:23, I hope you can pound nails a lot better than you try to split hairs. I won’t, however, engage with you in juvenile name calling as you’re not worth the time.
killerj
December 16th, 2010
2:46 pm
You still don,t get it young man,you seem to believe they are pubs for some reason,the all seeing eyes to watch behind door politic,s when it fails to serve the people instead of politicians is to “squeal” when necessary “Sore Losers”.Why don,t you talk about censership on the media from One Big A$$ Mistake to shut you up?
Kamchak
December 16th, 2010
2:50 pm
I hope you can pound nails a lot better than you try to split hairs.
Just as I suspected.
You lack the honesty of your professed Christianity and the balls of a jarhead to admit to your original post.
@@
December 16th, 2010
2:52 pm
“I’m one of those who advocates free speech for one and all turning public forums into cesspools.”
AmVet:
I’ve looked at the thread along with many in the past. You’ll claim that you’ve called out leftists for their incivility. Speaking in generalities, you have, but only when your hypocrisy is pointed out. You’ve never voluntarily done so.
I can recall your praise for Laura Bush. On the TK thread left-wingers were besmirching her by saying she killed an innocent young man while driving drunk. One of your favorite left-wingers claimed that GWB was having an illicit affair with Condi Rice right under Laura’s nose…divorce was on the horizon.
Not a word from you.
Lots of crap in your toilet too. Some of it you like, some of it you don’t.
So what else is new?
thomas
December 16th, 2010
2:53 pm
Normal
December 16th, 2010
2:21 pm
What about repeated sin? Or are all indiscretions and sins simply washed away if a man does enough good?
Alos when the sin is murder or allowing one to die that one sin then becomes larger as we never will know of the good or great things and service that the person would have accomplished had they not been killed.
Del
December 16th, 2010
2:55 pm
“you could have answered then and saved us some time.” You could have just asked me. I didn’t know what you meant until I read Adams’s 1:50pm which I hadn’t seen until you referenced it.
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
2:57 pm
@@,
“On the TK thread left-wingers were besmirching her by saying she killed an innocent young man while driving drunk.”
Wasn’t drunk…but she did run a stop sign. Tragedy in every sense of the word.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp
MethHead
December 16th, 2010
2:58 pm
If Johnny I. gives me that $300,000 I promise I will quit making meth in Ga. Although I may move to another state if they have earmarks for that too.
LMAO
Go GOP as far away as you can, try CHINA. They are the ones that are helping you guys anyway
jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
3:00 pm
Del,
“You could have just asked me”
I did…@ 1.39…
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jewcowboy
December 16th, 2010
1:39 pm
Del,
“I don’t recall conservatives on here or anywhere loudly cheering when Ted Kennedy passed away. We didn’t agree with his politics but I don’t recall the few conservative bloggers on here cheering.”
“sfd, Peadawg and Wyld Byll are reg’s but the others I don’t think were with the exception of “I’ Report.”
Sorry to jump in here…but where in your original post did you qualify your statement with “regulars”?
Anyway…I am off to a very long and most likely very boring meeting.
Del
December 16th, 2010
3:02 pm
SoCo, I agree most on here can disagree without the personal attacks. There’s some who hide behind the security of a personal computer and hurl insults that they would otherwise be too afraid to make in real time delivery in person. I guess it puffs up their otherwise fragile ego’s.
Southern Comfort
December 16th, 2010
3:12 pm
Unless their demise was caused by auto-erotic asphyxiation…then it is open season.
Southern Comfort
December 16th, 2010
3:14 pm
Del
Agreed on the personal attacks. I tend to cut off discussion with people who decide personal attacks are better than stating facts.
Adam
December 16th, 2010
3:17 pm
AmVet: I’m not really sure how that’s devil’s advocate, but thanks
Del: I won’t get into my own distinction but I see liberals as one group and the far left as another.
That is good. At least it leaves some room to maybe say “well, they’re not ALL bad,” which is a good first step in reaching agreements across any aisle. Aside from that it is my hope to avoid being lumped in with the attack aspect. Yes there are people who are kooky, and get uppity about a lot of things. I can get uppity about a few issues myself but try to avoid the kooky edge.