Huckabee says no he didn’t, but yes indeedy he did
According to Mike Huckabee, he has never supported a cap-and-trade approach to limiting carbon emissions. As he puts it point-blank on his website:
“In a recent internet post, a contributor makes the claim that I supported cap-and-trade in late 2007 while running for President.
To put it simply, that’s just not true.
If companies chose to participate voluntarily as part of their corporate policy, then fine. But I was clear that we could not force U.S. businesses to do what their Chinese counterparts refused to – and doing so would have been a serious job killer.
I understand this issue well, and I realize the potential damage that would occur if it passes because I was the chair of the 37 state-member Oil and Gas Compact Commission for 2 years. In fact, I led the state or Arkansas through the process of developing the Fayetteville Shale play of natural gas.
This kind of mandatory energy policy would have a horrible impact on this nation’s job market. I never did support and never would support it – period.”
However, there’s overwhelming video evidence to the contrary. On Oct. 13, 2007, at the Global Warming and Energy Solutions Conference in the critical primary state of New Hampshire, Huckabee acknowledged the challenge of climate change. “We all have a responsibility to recognize that climate change is here, it’s real, and that what we have to do is quit pointing fingers as to who’s at fault and who’s responsibility it is to fix it, and recognize that it’s all of our fault and we all have responsibility to fix it.”
At the 2:00 minute mark in the video, Huckabee goes on to make his stance on cap and trade as explicit as possible. He says:
“I also support cap-and-trade of carbon emissions and I was disappointed when the Senate rejected a carbon counting system to measure the sources of emissions because that would have been the first and most important step in implementing true cap-and-trade.”
I know, I know. A politician who flip flops. Yawn. Newt Gingrich has made the same transition, from an ardent advocate of cap and trade — “I think if you have mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system, much like we did with sulfur, and if you have a tax-incentive program for investing in the solutions, that there’s a package there that’s very, very good. And frankly, it’s something I would strongly support” — to an implacable foe of a proposal that he now considers part of a secular-socialist plot to destroy America.
But Steve Benen at Washington Monthly makes a larger point:
“It wasn’t too long ago — within the last decade — that there was a basic spectrum of policy positions Republicans accepted on a range of national issues. Not every candidate agreed across the board with every position, but the GOP’s general approach was fairly easy to identify.
On health care, for example, the Republican mainstream envisioned a system involving an individual mandate. On arms control, the Republican mainstream embraced policies along the lines of the original START treaty.
And on energy policy, the Republican mainstream loved cap and trade. Indeed, just two years ago, the ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin vowed to establish “a cap-and-trade system that would reduce greenhouse gas emissions” and pursue “alternatives to carbon-based fuels.”
The point, of course, isn’t just that the Republican mainstream has shifted sharply to the right, it’s that the mainstream has fallen off a right-wing cliff with surprising speed. Positions that were widely accepted by Republicans just a few years ago are now considered communist plots to destroy the American way of life.”
It does make you wonder who’s driving the Republican train, leaving people such as Huckabee and Gingrich scrambling to keep up.
– Jay Bookman
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Hillbilly Deluxe
December 16th, 2010
5:19 pm
josef
As long as we’ve got hens and a rooster or two, nobody can keep us out of the chicken market.
jm
December 16th, 2010
5:20 pm
HD 5:18
– Yeah. I think I’d have preferred 17th century US over 17th Century Europe too….
barking frog
December 16th, 2010
5:20 pm
Paul
December 16th, 2010
5:09 pm
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If it’s only the change that matters then the
cause could possibly be hope…to win again..
Obama stole their healthcare, tax cutting, and war…
not much left but hope…
USMC dawg
December 16th, 2010
5:20 pm
John Edwards says no he didn’t, but yes indeedy he did…
Keep up the good fight!
December 16th, 2010
5:23 pm
CAPbama….of course you have the facts….and we all wait for you to post a link to your scientific credentials.
Meanwhile back in the real world:
The American Geophysical Union (AGU) statement, adopted by the society in 2003 and revised in 2007, affirms that rising levels of greenhouse gases have caused and will continue to cause the global surface temperature to be warmer: The Earth’s climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system—including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons—are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. Global average surface temperatures increased on average by about 0.6°C over the period 1956–2006. As of 2006, eleven of the previous twelve years were warmer than any others since 1850. The observed rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort, involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our scientific understanding of the climate.
Even the AAPG only says these COULD be natural and MAY not as bad as predicted by some models (not a very definitive response)
As of June 2007, the American Association of Petroleum Geologists (AAPG) Position Statement on climate change stated:
the AAPG membership is divided on the degree of influence that anthropogenic CO2 has on recent and potential global temperature increases … Certain climate simulation models predict that the warming trend will continue, as reported through NAS, AGU, AAAS and AMS. AAPG respects these scientific opinions but wants to add that the current climate warming projections could fall within well-documented natural variations in past climate and observed temperature data. These data do not necessarily support the maximum case scenarios forecast in some models
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 16th, 2010
5:23 pm
Note to self. Steal HD’s chickens and leave the roosters, that will teach him LOL
RW-(the original)
December 16th, 2010
5:23 pm
Question is, why?
Hopefully it’s because they started listening to their constituents
And who’s behind it?
See above
jm
December 16th, 2010
5:24 pm
Clinton didn’t. Before he did…. or should I say, Clinton wasn’t, before he was.
Robespierre
December 16th, 2010
5:25 pm
No one is driving the Repudlickan train. It’s just the caboose pulling the conservative engine filled with coal mine opportunists and others railing against everything which is impeding Obama’s administration, because they have no platform of their own.
jm
December 16th, 2010
5:26 pm
What was, was?
Del
December 16th, 2010
5:26 pm
Bil Clinton said no he didn’t, but yes indeedy he did.
jm
December 16th, 2010
5:26 pm
Robespierre’s – At the bottom of Obama’s platform is an empty swimming pool.
jm
December 16th, 2010
5:28 pm
Kerry was, before he wasn’t….
barking frog
December 16th, 2010
5:29 pm
@Paul, conspiratorially, what the Koch Bros.
did with the tea party probably scared some
moderates rightward but I don’t think it will
have a lasting effect..much bigger money
out there…
jm
December 16th, 2010
5:30 pm
Can someone please raise the gas tax? So we can pay for our stupid roads so that they don’t collapse. And so we can relieve some traffic congestion around this god forsaken state…..
jm
December 16th, 2010
5:30 pm
Koch gives to PBS. PBS must be evil….
Del
December 16th, 2010
5:30 pm
Al Gore said he invented the internet but yes indeedy he didn’t.
jm
December 16th, 2010
5:31 pm
Del – although he did help finance with a little taxpayer $$. I think it was money well spent in hindsight.
AmVet
December 16th, 2010
5:32 pm
It is exceptionally difficult for ANYONE to drive the Republican train after George (sans all that heroic folk hero status) did a Casey Jones on it…
Doggone/GA
December 16th, 2010
5:33 pm
“CO2 is EVERYWHEEERE. And the sheer size of it creates huge enforcement and corruption issues…. but believe what you want”
But cap-and-trade for CO2 is not aimed, nor meant, for the little guy. It’s aimed at the REALLY big polluters…just as was sulpher cap-and-trade.
But just think how much money I could make with MY cap-and-trade allowance by selling them to others who want to drink more sodas!
Southern Comfort
December 16th, 2010
5:33 pm
Can someone please raise the gas tax? So we can pay for our stupid roads so that they don’t collapse. And so we can relieve some traffic congestion around this god forsaken state…..
Republicans don’t raise taxes, Period!! Relax and enjoy you gridlock. Buy you an iPad. You can’t text while driving, but there’s no law against surfing the net or watching a movie. You know if there wasn’t enough staffing to de-ice the roads last night and they’re already talking about cutting more state employees, we’ll soon be fixing those roads ourselves.
barking frog
December 16th, 2010
5:34 pm
AmVet
December 16th, 2010
5:32 pm
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yes indeedy he did…
AmVet
December 16th, 2010
5:34 pm
Del, tsk, tsk, tsk…
Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he “invented” the Internet.
Status: False.
Origins: Despite the derisive references that continue even today, Al Gore did not claim he “invented” the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The “Al Gore said he ‘invented’ the Internet” put-downs were misleading, out-of-context distortions of something he said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN’s “Late Edition” program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part):
During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country’s economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.
Clearly, although Gore’s phrasing might have been a bit clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he “invented” the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development the technology that we now know as the Internet.
To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take credit for the “invention” of the Internet is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign. Gore never used the word “invent,” and the words “create” and “invent” have distinctly different meanings — the former is used in the sense of “to bring about” or “to bring into existence” while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone’s thinking up or implementing an idea. (To those who say the words “create” and “invent” mean exactly the same thing, we have to ask why, then, the media overwhelmingly and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he “invented” the Internet, even though he never used that word, and transcripts of what he actually said were readily available.)
Del
December 16th, 2010
5:36 pm
jm, old Al’s laying low these days. He hates these cold winters.
USMC dawg
December 16th, 2010
5:37 pm
Barney Frank says no he didn’t, but yes indeedy he did too…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE
Scout
December 16th, 2010
5:37 pm
Del:
My computer has really been acting up. I think the libs. on here hacked it.
Anyway, Santa says I’m getting a new one for Christmas so I’ll soon be in full swing again! Sorry Jay.
I’m at the library so off for the day. Be nice to each other.
jm
December 16th, 2010
5:37 pm
Doggone – Cap and Trade as proposed was also targeted at gasoline. Nothing was immune.
Now the new EPA rules being written, different story. There they are targeting the big single point source polluters – mainly the power plants, concrete plants.
Good luck building a building in 10 years when they do this.
Anyone else see that the US now wants the rare earth mines reopened because China now controls 90% of the rare earths market? Well, want to know why the mines shut down?
Crazy bipolar, ignorant, g-damn government.
“On top of that, the Mountain Pass Mine came under fire from state and federal regulators for a series of mine waste spills. Over the course of ten years, thousands of gallons of waste from the Mountain Pass Mine spilled from holding ponds and waste pipelines, according to reports. The waste included thorium, a radioactive byproduct of REE mining.
Mining at Mountain Pass stopped soon after the spills came to light. Industry sources say Union Oil of California, which bought Molycorp in 1977, couldn’t afford to comply with environmental rules and felt that it couldn’t compete with China. In 2002, the company did not renew a permit to store tailing, the uranium and thorium waste that is a byproduct of REE mining, and the Mountain Pass Mine shut down.”
hahahhaaha!!!!!
December 16th, 2010
5:37 pm
Kinda like how every prominent Democrat leader during the 90’s and early 2000’s all said Saddam should be taken out? LOL, you are a hoot Jay!!
stands for decibels
December 16th, 2010
5:37 pm
he did help finance with a little taxpayer $$. I think it was money well spent in hindsight.
why, one might even say that he took the initiative in creating the internet, during his service in Congress.
jm
December 16th, 2010
5:38 pm
SoCo 5:33 – looking forward to robotic cars in 2020….
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 16th, 2010
5:38 pm
They’ve been building roads in Georgia as far back as I can remember. Everytime they build one, more people come to fill them up. I even remember when the Downtown Connector was going to be the be-all, end-all, to all Atlanta’s traffic woes.
RAPbama
December 16th, 2010
5:40 pm
Keep up the good fight!.
I am registered professional engineer: Florida # 49407, Alabama # 12150. That requires a scientific education, approved experience by the licensing board, and very rigorous testing. There are only about 300,000 of us in the U.S. We sign off on the all major structures, buildings and bridges, just to let you know.
What is your scientfic background? Give me your e-mail, and I will scan the plots in and send them to you. Data is what counts. Just the facts.
Del
December 16th, 2010
5:41 pm
AmVet, “Clearly, although Gore’s phrasing might have been a bit clumsy (and perhaps self-serving)” just a bit!
Adam
December 16th, 2010
5:42 pm
dB: lol
Southern Comfort
December 16th, 2010
5:43 pm
HD
The big problem arises when it comes time for maintenance. Before too long, our roads and bridges will be at a point where it will no longer be cost effective to repair them and our only option will be replacement. With continued budget cuts and no alternate funding streams, we won’t be able to afford that when that time comes. What industry will want to locate to a place that lacks basic infrastructure?
Jefferson
December 16th, 2010
5:43 pm
Adam, you are not getting what I mean about the gasoline cap & trade. I would limit supply based on a good average MPG, it you waste gas by driving a land yaght you will not have enought without buying from an economy driver or a household that doenn’t drive. The price you pay would not be the same as everyone else, it would be priced by the seller. May be more, may be less. Point is supply from the producers will be limited.
The way it is now where everyone pays the same per gallon, low MPG vehicals are subsidized by fuel efficient vehicals, due to high demand (there is no supply problems) I want to ration gas so to speak to what a resonable amount per family would be, not to what your pocketbook can afford.
What about the price per gallon depends on the mpg the vehical gets — low mpg high price, high mpg, low price. The total dollars for the country is the same.
Think like we are at war and have to pay bills and can’t afford to waste resources. Wait we do have wars going on….,
jm
December 16th, 2010
5:44 pm
Companies may be dumb. But Government is really, really dumb.
Del
December 16th, 2010
5:45 pm
Off to pick up my daughter. Later
AmVet
December 16th, 2010
5:45 pm
Yes, he could trip over his tongue with the best of them. (Until the all time champion and standard bearer, George, came along!)
But the entire misquoting him on that issue makes the right wingers, not Al Gore, look bad.
I had my issues with him and Bill, but when it came to accepting that defeat in 2000, he manned up. And to his credit, he said Nader was NOT to blame. Though many (most?) of the crybaby Dems did, and still do…
jm
December 16th, 2010
5:45 pm
Jefferson 5:43 – that’s one of the crazier plans I’ve heard. Just raise the gas tax. Mission accomplished.
USMC dawg
December 16th, 2010
5:48 pm
John Kerry says no he didn’t, but yes indeedy he did too…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esUTn6L0UDU
Skitty Fritty
December 16th, 2010
5:48 pm
Jefferson:
Your pont of view is scary in my opinion. Who would decide what the typical family uses in gasoline per month? I think your true colors show with the terminology “Land Yacht”.
A
December 16th, 2010
5:50 pm
Huckabee wins Iowa, Romney wins New Hamphsire, and Palin wins South Carolina.
The nominee will be: Romney
Del
December 16th, 2010
5:50 pm
AmVet, tripping over tongue…failing to engage brain before putting mouth in gear. Now you know Joe Biden gets the gold for those. I’m out…again.
AmVet
December 16th, 2010
5:52 pm
Seeya brother Del.
It is funny how VPs and VP candidates seem to really stand out in the malapropism category…
RAPbama
December 16th, 2010
5:52 pm
Does anybody read all the posts here, or just the ones that love/hate you. I see multilple chains. Threads ruined a lot of good sites.
Perhaps, though, as my wife tells me, you are often irrelevant. She has a killer figure and is tight with money, so I always kiss up. Every time. Despite my opinion.
AmVet
December 16th, 2010
5:54 pm
A, very interesting prognosis. It’s hard not to agree…
RAPbama, LOL! You are a wise man…
USMC dawg
December 16th, 2010
5:58 pm
Oh yeah… These Democrats also said no they didn’t, but yes indeedy they did…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnjcofMFHsA
RAPbama
December 16th, 2010
5:58 pm
Enter your comments here
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 16th, 2010
6:00 pm
It is funny how VPs and VP candidates seem to really stand out in the malapropism category…
I believe it’s by design. What better way to keep the heat off yourself, than to get yourself a VP, who constantly says outlandish things, to draw attention? They use him for a diversionary target.
RAPbama
December 16th, 2010
6:01 pm
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. And don’t hit return by accident. And cook dinner for your wife at least two times a week, even if I don’t.
RAPbama
December 16th, 2010
6:05 pm
By the way, if Republicans want to win the presidency in 2012, they will have to run someone we don’t know much about at present. Take that to the bank. All they haveat present are hacks and facebook style aspirants.
Adam
December 16th, 2010
6:13 pm
RAPbama: That’s exactly what I was thinking. They can’t run someone we know about, because it’s too easy to dreg up their past.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 16th, 2010
6:15 pm
RAPbama@5:52 pm
LOL. Some here have a hate/hate relationship. But it’s kind of like a car wreck if you don’t pay attention its WTF (where are they coming from).
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jm
Re: raising the gas tax. How many small business owners would be put out of business by that? Many rely on vehicles to get to and from jobs sites. Think of the plumbers, HVAC, etc. that might go belly up and lose their income. they aren’t eligible for UI benefits and a lot of them pay their employees on 1099’s. Add those to the TAX burden in the states.
Ga supposedly has one of the lowest gas taxes in the country, but why is the price in Ga. as high as NC which has a high gas tax.
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 16th, 2010
6:21 pm
Ga supposedly has one of the lowest gas taxes in the country, but why is the price in Ga. as high as NC which has a high gas tax.
I don’t know what the tax structure is but I have a sibling who lives in NC, and liquid propane is quite a bit higher here, than up there.
Paul
December 16th, 2010
6:28 pm
been moderated. Let me try splitting and see if it goes thru
barking frog
Like I said, Ludlum has an inside source for his novels’ plots…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 16th, 2010
6:28 pm
George H.W. Bush and Dan Quayle 2012. Slogan at least they won’t get in the way LOL
Paul
December 16th, 2010
6:29 pm
okay, Scout, you’re the problem!
Hey there, Scout!
“Why didn’t Native-Americans build ships and discover Europe ?”
Read “Past watch (it’s one word but I think written as one may get filter upset): The Redemption of Christopher Columbus” by Orson Scott Card.
You too, josef nix!
Scout
December 17th, 2010
12:08 pm
Paul:
IT WAS A JOKE! You guys are slow to catch on.
Keep up the good fight!
December 18th, 2010
9:20 am
RAPbama….nice try on your post about your license numbers. I guess you are ignorant of the fact that license numbers are public knowledge and can be checked. The two license numbers you posted belong to different people. Of course, a professional structural engineer is not the same qualification as a professional geophysical or similar engineer.