Gov. Perdue pursues an intriguing new business idea

In eight years as governor, Sonny Perdue couldn’t resolve Georgia’s bitter water war with Alabama and Florida.

But in the end, he may have found a way to profit from it.

As a severe drought taught us a few years ago, metro Atlanta’s water supply is barely adequate. Legal setbacks since then have made the situation even more precarious. The region had long assumed it could tap the bounties of Lake Lanier to serve its water needs, but a ruling by a federal judge in 2009 called that into doubt. Unless Georgia settles with Alabama and Florida by July 2012, it could lose almost all access to Lanier as a water source.

In response to that ruling, Perdue and other state officials have advocated construction and expansion of reservoirs in North Georgia to “drought-proof” metro Atlanta. Gov.-elect Nathan Deal reiterated the reservoir-building policy in a speech this week to legislators in Athens, suggesting that the state might float bonds to finance reservoir construction.

The biggest obstacle to implementing that plan is getting the necessary federal permits.

For example, building a reservoir is destructive, flooding acres of wetlands and streambeds. Federal law requires that if wetlands and stream beds are harmed, the damage must be offset by construction of replacement wetlands and the repair of damaged streams in the same watershed.

That’s where wetlands mitigation banks come in. Mitigation bankers buy agricultural property that includes drained, nonfunctional wetlands and damaged stream beds. They restore the wetlands, plant native vegetation and repair the streams’ natural functions.

In return, the federal government grants the mitigation bank what are known as wetland or stream mitigation credits. If a developer needs to destroy wetlands, he can turn to a mitigation bank and purchase credits to offset the damage. For example, a mitigation bank that restores a one-acre wetland in North Georgia can generate wetlands credits worth $100,000 to a developer.

On July 9, 2009, Perdue and a partner, Aaron McWhorter, bought a 157-acre parcel of agricultural property in Habersham County along the Soque River for $3.7 million, according to the Habersham County Tax Assessors Office.

On Oct. 20, 2010, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers issued a request for public comment on a proposal by the McWhorter/Perdue partnership to convert the Soque River property into a wetlands mitigation bank. Based on conservative estimates by industry experts, the bank could eventually generate more than $6 million in credits.

However, the market for mitigation credits, like the market for land, has slowed considerably with the collapse of the real estate market. One mitigation banker active in North Georgia said that the market is so glutted with credits right now that he wouldn’t invest in a new project without a guaranteed buyer for credits in hand.

However, a boom in reservoir construction could change that dramatically.
For example, the 850-acre, $345-million Glades Reservoir proposed by Hall County and the City of Gainesville would flood more than 27 acres of wetlands and more than 17 miles of streambeds, according to a permit application filed in 2009 with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. (That application has been temporarily withdrawn and is being revised.)

The Glades Reservoir is also in the upper Chattahoochee watershed, the same watershed as Perdue’s proposed mitigation bank. That’s important, because under federal regulation, mitigation credits must be generated in the same watershed in which they are used.

In an interview Thursday, Perdue spokesman Bert Brantley said it was “ridiculous” to link Perdue’s investment to proposed reservoir construction. Progress on the Glades Reservoir, Brantley noted, has been temporarily halted by a disagreement between Hall County and Gainesville.

However, Brantley acknowledged that the Glades and other reservoir projects would probably move forward eventually.

The governor’s spokesman also acknowledged that his assessment was based solely on his own very limited personal knowledge of Perdue’s project. He had not asked the governor about the project, he said, and would not do so because “the governor doesn’t run his personal business through me.”

When Brantley was asked to make the governor available for questions directly, he declined to do so.

– Jay Bookman

253 comments Add your comment

hahahhaaha!!!!!

December 16th, 2010
5:50 pm

Hey Jay, where is your article about Harry Reid’s criminal land grab investment he made by abusing his political office? I can’t seem to find it anywhere. Am I just missing it? ;)

jm

December 16th, 2010
5:50 pm

Jay, Sonny looks pretty dirty. But I think this is a step too far. In the sense that the string of assumptions is just too much.

Just because reservoirs are built, does not mean anyone is going to buy Sonny’s tax credits. Although political pull, such as it is, might make that possible and likely.

I guess I’d just say the deductive reasoning here does not exactly make a solid case.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 16th, 2010
5:51 pm

I have a plan to sell water to Alabama, it is definitely a winner.

LMAO

jm

December 16th, 2010
5:52 pm

By the way, there are plenty of reasons one might be inclined to buy land on the Soque. Like the faaaaaaantastic fishing. I’d put a higher probability that Sonny wants it to be a future “Go Fish!” site.

Oaky Woods= Good DEAL

December 16th, 2010
5:55 pm

ha@ 5:50- unfortunately for you SHADY PERDUE is the topic of discussion here :-| nice way to DEFLECT, though. NOT —->

jm

December 16th, 2010
5:57 pm

I may need a few extra bathtubs (to store water) in preparation for July 2012….. this does not look like its getting solved…. call your local cistern company…

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
6:00 pm

“The governor’s spokesman also acknowledged that his assessment was based solely on his own very limited personal knowledge of Perdue’s project. He had not asked the governor about the project, he said, and would not do so because “the governor doesn’t run his personal business through me.”’

Now, THAT’s a spokesman’s spokesman ain’t it?

“I’m the spokesman for the governor. I don’t know nuthin. The governor don’t know nothin. Any questions?”

AmVet

December 16th, 2010
6:05 pm

Funnyman mystery meat, did you even read the damn article? What the hell is it with you red herring addicts?

Gawd forbid anyone would attempt to get any intelligent input from you though on how this seeming impropriety plays right into the soiled (get it?) image of the new Crooked Deal administration…

saywhat?

December 16th, 2010
6:06 pm

With Republicans doing all they can to destroy the middle class in Georgia, not to mention the state itself, I am afraid I might not be able to live here another 10 years (when my youngest finishes high school and goes off to college- and by then , under Repub leadership, Hope scholarships may be non-existent anyway). How I will possibly find somebody stupid enough to buy a home in Georgia between now and then is another problem.Maybe I can advertise nationally in heavily Republican-voting districts, and play up this future hellhole as a “libertarian/conservative nirvana”.

Oaky Woods= Good DEAL

December 16th, 2010
6:06 pm

Sell liquor on Sundays, we’ll forget all about the water, and fishing hole, and Oaky woods

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 16th, 2010
6:07 pm

Well, leave it to a good Conservative Republican to find a way to make a few million bucks. Heck, this sounds like it has more profit in it than the special exit to the port and it makes the $100,000 special tax break look downright puny.

Sounds like old Nathan is off to a good start. He told a bunch of business people today he was going to lay off scads of state workers. That won’t get rid of guvmint all together, but it’s a good start. Long as all those jobless workers don’t look for a job hauling beer.

I guess Sonny and Nathan are going to get super-rich together. Mark my words, Nathan will be a multi-millionaire before he leaves office.

Have a good night everybody.

Real Scooter

December 16th, 2010
6:10 pm

saywhat?

December 16th, 2010
6:06 pm

Please do us all a favor by moving now. Thanks in advance.

I'm Regular

December 16th, 2010
6:14 pm

Haven’t the Republicans disavowed any association with Sonny now that he’s almost out of office. I suspect they’ll also find out about all of Deal’s faults once his two terms are up as well.

jack bull

December 16th, 2010
6:17 pm

thank you say what, that would be awesome, are you moving out west?, as far as Purdue buying some land, does it really hurt anyone on here? just wondering….were you planning on buying that piece of property jay? i know this is a blog, or b!tch fest, but really, why would anyone bother to worry themselves, or even comment on, such an event, whether it be Purdue’s shady deal, or Prince Harry Reid’s shady deal. it really don’t have anything to do with any of us..

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
6:27 pm

jack bull

” why would anyone bother to worry themselves, or even comment on, such a deal…”

Sonny’s a Republican and it’s a slow news day?

RW-(the original)

December 16th, 2010
6:30 pm

“I’m the spokesman for the governor. I don’t know nuthin. The governor don’t know nothin. Any questions?”

josef,

It’s kind of like when Gibbs told the press to quit trying to make him the middleman. I believe middleman is just about his entire job description.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Unless I’m reading this wrong it doesn’t sound like any great financial deal for Sonny and company. If they paid 3.7 million for the land that they now have to pay restore and the potential credits they can generate is 6 million the profit potential is nearly nil.

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 16th, 2010
6:31 pm

If a developer needs to destroy wetlands, he can turn to a mitigation bank and purchase credits to offset the damage.

Sort of sounds like cap and trade, don’t it?

On July 9, 2009, Perdue and a partner, Aaron McWhorter, bought a 157-acre parcel of agricultural property in Habersham County along the Soque River for $3.7 million,

Considering Gov Sonny’s salary is in the $150k range (not sure the exact figure) and the fact he owed that $2 million note a while back, he sure seems to have either a whole lot of money or damn good credit, for his income. (And yes I know he has outside income but that’s another story for another day).

The Glades Reservoir is also in the upper Chattahoochee watershed, the same watershed as Perdue’s proposed mitigation bank.

Well, isn’t that convenient? (Y’all are about to find out how crooked Hall County has been for years).

In closing, I’m not really surprised when politicians do this sort of thing; I expect it. But damn boys, at least be discreet about it. Don’t rub our noses in it.

md

December 16th, 2010
6:33 pm

That is a fine line between insider trading and none insider trading…………..seems the line is always moving.

As for the water problems……if Ga loses in court, do they then turn to the courts to overturn the wrong done years ago with the TN river?? If the courts want to play hardball with water, may as well go the distance……………..

Paul

December 16th, 2010
6:33 pm

Jay

Don’t you guys have ANY conflict of interest laws in Georgia?!!?

But on the bright side, this case illustrates letting the free market operate and not having any regulation works out for everyone, right?

Oh yeah… //sarc//

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 16th, 2010
6:34 pm

Don’t you guys have ANY conflict of interest laws in Georgia?!!?

Not really but guess who makes the laws?

Paul

December 16th, 2010
6:39 pm

Hillbilly

Yup, it does. Now change the dollar ‘millions’ to ‘gazillions’ and you’ve got lots of problems.

Glad it’s dead. Don’t know what’ll be effective to get a handle on greenhouse gasses, but the answer’s out there -

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
6:41 pm

RW

I just love those “spokesmen!” When your ass gets caught in a sling, just blame him/her. And s/he can say the press didn’t understand what s/he was saying and everybody gets a get out of jail free card…

PAUL

Conflict of interest? Yours or mine? :-)

Paul

December 16th, 2010
6:42 pm

Hillbilly

Every time I read a column like this I think of my own Governor Perry here in Texas and…

I still feel lousy.

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
6:43 pm

PAUL

“Don’t know what’ll be effective to get a handle on greenhouse gasses, but the answer’s out there -”

Yep. Mother Nature, and she’s a b*tch!

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
6:51 pm

Obviously not a hot topic…

md

December 16th, 2010
6:54 pm

“Obviously not a hot topic…”

Be careful……..might get the Palin Plan again……..the fetish may need feeding.

If you knew Tsunamis like I knew Tsunamis

December 16th, 2010
7:00 pm

The reason we can’t win against florida, Alabama or Tennessee is because they surround us, and if everyone in all three of those surrounding states flushed their toilets at the same time, it would cause the entire Lanier Dam to collapse which would bury Atlanta Metro under 87 feet of water and everyone would be keeled to death and drowned even.

Purdue is doing the only thing a guber-natural can do: ask himself “What would Hans Brinker do?”

But Bookman never explores the “rest of the story” like the sorely missed Paul Harvey always did. That’s why journalism stinks so bad these days.

All you get is hacked dittoisms and phoney baloney.

If you knew Tsunamis like I knew Tsunamis

December 16th, 2010
7:01 pm

BOOKMAN!!!!!!

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:01 pm

md

That’s true…went over to Cynthia’s…she’s GOP baiting, too. Not much response there, either…she even brought Palin up and no slather…Even Andy’s not getting much of a rise…ssshhhheeesh!

Paul

December 16th, 2010
7:05 pm

josef nix,

Yeah, I went over there, too, and I tried. I really tried, but nuthin’.

Oh well, as is typical, I got a boatload of work in that has to be out tonight… leastwise I won’t have the usual diversion here.

Dang it -

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:07 pm

PAUL
I saw that. When the EOI can’t do their job…sumpin’s wrong…

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:11 pm

Okay, Bruin, get in here and take a swipe or two and get things rolling…don’t want to let this nice Merlot go to waste… don’t want to have to go possum slingin’… :-)

Del

December 16th, 2010
7:13 pm

Is Jay now afraid that Sonny Perdue might be throwing his hat into the ring of Republican 012 nominee contenders.

Auburn Man

December 16th, 2010
7:13 pm

Jay is obviously a left wing, democratic, union loving hack.

Kamchak

December 16th, 2010
7:14 pm

…she even brought Palin up and no slather…

Snowbilly Snooki just isn’t the draw that she once was.

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:16 pm

Del

Since you’re here and things are slow, just wanted to reminded you that it was the gay boy that had your back when the Baptist bashers started in… :-)

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:18 pm

K’chak

Ain’t it a shame? Looks like all their polls are slipping! L-rd! Send us a scandal…

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 16th, 2010
7:19 pm

Jay – I really really wish you would switch from bourbon to the nectar of the g0ds Bushmills.

We Irish need all the support we can get.

Or call Redneck and switch to beer and join my business selling water to Bama.

:-)

I'm Regular

December 16th, 2010
7:19 pm

What this party needs is a Morlock or two.

md

December 16th, 2010
7:19 pm

Well Jo, you can always go down a few flights and watch Adam blame his position in life on others…..not yet sure who he blames, but it seems to be anybody but himself……..

Del

December 16th, 2010
7:20 pm

josef,

I missed your posts but I’m sure you did. You’ve typically been fair in these debates that unfortunately sometimes go far beyond debates. Thanks

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:23 pm

md

And there’s our “choices!” :-)

common

You sell water to Alabama, but you best stay outta the chicken black market…me and Hillbilly got yore number…

Scandal…
“…and here’s to you, South Carolina…a nation turns its lonely eyes to you,,,”

Paul

December 16th, 2010
7:24 pm

josef nix 7:07

HEY! I did my job!

The receivers didn’t do theirs.

Regular

Oh, we’ve a few of those here at all times. But just like in the movies, they don’t make a move until they feel safe…..

http://tinyurl.com/2a4ebc6

sniff

Paul

December 16th, 2010
7:26 pm

josef

The ’sniff’ was for you.

But you knew that…

Dudley

December 16th, 2010
7:26 pm

Crooked politician, kind of redundant statement isn’t it

md

December 16th, 2010
7:28 pm

Is pretty slow when I didn’t get any bites on the non-existent water war with TN. You Atl folks don’t want to go up there and re-claim Ga’s water??

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 16th, 2010
7:28 pm

Could be that part of the reason columns like these don’t generate more interest is because there are a good many people whose only interest is arguing Bush/Obama, left/right/ Dem/Repub.

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 16th, 2010
7:30 pm

md

I’ll bite, just to amuse you. :lol:

Taking water from the Tennessee River would be an inter-basin transfer. I’m opposed to those.

md

December 16th, 2010
7:30 pm

“And there’s our “choices!””

Yep……think I’ll choose to go make something to eat…………

Kamchak

December 16th, 2010
7:33 pm

…nectar of the g0ds Bushmills.

Have you ever tried Midletons?

md

December 16th, 2010
7:33 pm

“Taking water from the Tennessee River would be an inter-basin transfer. I’m opposed to those.”

But HD, you don’t live in atl do you? I think those folks that will be affected would be jumping all over that one. Guess when the water runs out atl will be another ghost town like Detroit.

TaxPayer

December 16th, 2010
7:35 pm

Could be that part of the reason columns like these don’t generate more interest is because there are a good many people whose only interest is arguing Bush/Obama, left/right/ Dem/Repub

I resemble that statement.

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:36 pm

“I never drink water, fish f*ck in it.”
–W.C. Fields

TaxPayer

December 16th, 2010
7:37 pm

I see the DOT is planning on spending taxpayer dollars in the state in an effort to stimulate the economy. Blasphemy.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 16th, 2010
7:37 pm

Thank goodness we have brainless Federal bureaucrats who restrict intra-state emergency projects, such as water accumulation. Without the wisdom of such Federal overlords, we would have no incentive to feed and support the Federal Levianthan.

Del

December 16th, 2010
7:39 pm

Taxpayer,

Most of us do. I guess we’re really all flawed after all.

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 16th, 2010
7:40 pm

md

Nope, don’t live in the Tennessee River Basin, either. One thing to think about though, if they start trying to take water from the Tennessee River, you can add Mississippi and Kentucky to the lawsuit parade. The Tennessee River runs through them as well as Tennessee and Alabama.

People used to laugh at me back in the ’70’s when I told them we’d see the day when water is more precious than oil.

Del

December 16th, 2010
7:41 pm

josef,

W.C. Fields…foul mouthed individual. Would have made a damn fine Marine.

barking frog

December 16th, 2010
7:43 pm

I think he surveys that set the wrong border between GA
and TN actually encroached on the Cherokee land
and not on GA.

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:45 pm

Okay, 148 years ago tomorrow….

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/grant.html

Thinking of mah fah-mih-lih! Especially y’all Granny and Granddaddy whose parents were targets… :-)

Del

December 16th, 2010
7:46 pm

H.D., back in the 70″s…man you must be almost as old as I am and I’m not nearly as smart as you are. I’m intimidated and think I better go get some chow now. later

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 16th, 2010
7:48 pm

josef @ 7:45

Well he gave y’all 24 hours. Not like he wasn’t compassionate. ;-)

Southern Comfort

December 16th, 2010
7:48 pm

Considering Gov Sonny’s salary is in the $150k range (not sure the exact figure) and the fact he owed that $2 million note a while back, he sure seems to have either a whole lot of money or damn good credit, for his income. (And yes I know he has outside income but that’s another story for another day).

To paraphrase Mel Brooks from History of the World: Part 1, “It’s good to be the governor (king).” :)

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:48 pm

Del

:-)

“If there’s any such thing as angels, I hope their aligned along the lines of the Mafia.” — WC Fields

BlahBlahBlah

December 16th, 2010
7:51 pm

Sounds as legit as blowhard Al Gore’s carbon offset scam!

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:52 pm

Hillbilly

Gotta give us a little time to pack the bags to plunder, now don’t we? :-)

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 16th, 2010
7:55 pm

Kamchak@7:33 pm

Have you ever tried Midletons?
———————

Midletons is out of my price range.

I will have to leave that to the RICH (wannabes) regressives and Jay.

LOL

Unless we can take up a cllection for ME, and THIS TIME I promise to spend it on the Midletons just like all the tax cuts for the wealthy were spent creating JOBS.

:-)

barking frog

December 16th, 2010
7:57 pm

The Tennessee River flows North, it’s unnatural and
is itself an inter basin transfer of water…

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:57 pm

common sense…

P*ssonya! Comes by the gallon and is cheap! But shore leaves you with a smile on your face… :-)

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 16th, 2010
7:58 pm

SoCo

Remember this?

The program was “The Right Side with Shelley Wynter” on WAOK (1380 AM). The guest was Governor Perdue from Houston County, and the caller was Brian from parts unknown.

Brian: “Hello, Governor, I’m a big fan of yours.”

Sonny Perdue: “Thanks, Brian.”

Brian: “I’d like to think I’m a lot like you. I just graduated from UGA and recently married my high school sweetheart.”

Sonny Perdue: “All right. I hope you make it 34 years like we have.”

Brian: “Well, that’s my goal, Governor. The one thing I haven’t been able to do is find a way to have a friend of mine write me a bill that saves me a $100,000 on my taxes. I was wondering how I might be able to get that done.”

Sonny Perdue: “Well, you get elected governor, Brian. I appreciate your question. That was really nice. I appreciate you being a fan, and i wish you well on your honeymoon.”

As you can hear on the sound clip, peddled by Democrats first thing this morning, the question caught Perdue by surprise. His reply is partly flip, partly testy.

You may have to go to the link inside this article to hear it.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/politicalinsider/entries/2006/09/13/how_to_get_a_100000_tax_break.html

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:58 pm

barking

@ 7:55

“It’s unnatural.” Always kinda thought that myself…

Kamchak

December 16th, 2010
8:01 pm

Common Sense isn’t very Common

I’ve only purchased one bottle myself. I drank the last of it a year ago toasting my late da with my nephew on the day of his funeral.

Godspeed pop.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 16th, 2010
8:01 pm

josef nix7:23 pm

common

You sell water to Alabama, but you best stay outta the chicken black market…me and Hillbilly got yore number…
————————-

I’m sending SoCo instead he’s got the gun and vest.

Plus he’s a partner in the selling water to Bama deal via the Hooch anyway.

;-)

barking frog

December 16th, 2010
8:02 pm

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:58 pm
josef nix

December 16th, 2010
7:58 pm
———————————————
Could be intelligent design…but that would leave TVA out…

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 16th, 2010
8:04 pm

The Tennessee River flows North,

There’s all sorts of rivers that flow north. Nearly ever river in Kentucky does.

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
8:05 pm

common

Allen The Black Cat has been informed…!

barking frog
@ 8:02
I’ll second that emotion…

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 16th, 2010
8:05 pm

Kam

I had an old friend I did the same for. He was in a nursing home so I snuck in a wee bit of the creature from time to time for him

Seemed to cheer him up a little. After he passed I finished the last at/after the funeral.

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
8:06 pm

Hillbilly
“Nearly every river in Kentucky does,”

THAT explains it! :-)

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 16th, 2010
8:07 pm

Is there anything NATURAL in Tennessee, If she ain’t good enough for her daddy she ain’t good enough for me

;-)

barking frog

December 16th, 2010
8:08 pm

@josef, speaking of design, ever pondered the menorah,
designed by God, 22 bowls divided by 7 arms, pi from God..

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
8:09 pm

K’chak and common sense…
Always liked the idea of sending them off with a good quaff…don’t want a “funeral” myself, but for anyone so inclined, a good drunk would be a fine adieu and G-dspeed…

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
8:11 pm

common

Watch it…half Tennessee Hillbilly here! And it ain’t that side that’s the in-bred one! :-)

barking

I had never considered that…hmmmm…

Linda

December 16th, 2010
8:13 pm

Explain to me why a governor whose paid job is to run our state is also on the side making investments in land where he most likely has insider information about future uses??? This is a prime example of the good ole boy type of run government we have seen here in the South since we moved here in 1997. How is it that the citizens of this great state allow these type of people to continue to govern? It is sickening.

Kamchak

December 16th, 2010
8:18 pm

How is it that the citizens of this great state allow these type of people to continue to govern?

IOKIYAR

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
8:18 pm

Linda

Where did you move from? And only since 1997…whoo, whee, some of us have roots in the South to the 1600s (and beyond, pre Columbian) and we’re still wondering the same thing. But the good ole boy syndrome is not ours alone…we just gave it a term!

barking frog

December 16th, 2010
8:20 pm

@Linda, without politicians the good people would have
to use common criminals as the standard to rise above
in honesty, and that would set the bar too high…..

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 16th, 2010
8:21 pm

josef nix@8:11 pm

common

Watch it…half Tennessee Hillbilly here! And it ain’t that side that’s the in-bred one!
______________

OOOOPPPPs did I say Tennessee I meant West Virginia

LOL

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 16th, 2010
8:22 pm

On a serious note, few people realize that there are 5 river basins in North Georgia. Depending on where the rain falls, it goes to the Chattahoochee, the Coosa, the Oconee, the Tennessee, or the Savannah. There are divides all over North Georgia; that’s a product of being at the end of a mountain chain. Most major cities develop around rivers, usually where rivers converge or where they go into the ocean. Atlanta was built at the end of a railroad line. It’s just geography, really.

Curious Observer

December 16th, 2010
8:23 pm

OOOOPPPPs did I say Tennessee I meant West Virginia

Watch it, Common! We West Virginia natives can find where you live.

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
8:24 pm

common

Little Princess’ Mama is from West Virginia! :-)

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 16th, 2010
8:24 pm

OOOOPPPPs did I say Tennessee I meant West Virginia

You’ll bring Jay out of hibernation with that one.

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
8:28 pm

hillbilly

That geography and river thing is intriguing. Whenever people find it “odd” that me and Unmentionable are so tied to both sides of our background, we kind of shake our heads…we’re from where the Tennessee River southward movement met with the Mississippi-Yazoo and Pearl northward movements met… he claims that our cultural history here in America is determined by the flow of our rivers…it was a very good question Scout proposed downstairs…

josef nix

December 16th, 2010
8:29 pm

Hillbilly
@ 6:24

Beat me to it! He better put that possum down… :-)

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 16th, 2010
8:35 pm

Linda@8:13 pm

Explain to me why a governor whose paid job is to run our state is also on the side making investments in land where he most likely has insider information about future uses??? This is a prime example of the good ole boy type of run government we have seen here in the South since we moved here in 1997. How is it that the citizens of this great state allow these type of people to continue to govern? It is sickening.

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I happen to agree with you, almost every election we seem to have a choice be the do nothing or some type of crook.

And it didn’t matter which party. Herman Talmadge an ex-Gov and ex-Sen. owned land right where I-75 through Cobb County went back in the 70’s it was amazing that the exit ramp went right to his property. LOL.

The business of government is BUSINESS

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 16th, 2010
8:39 pm

he claims that our cultural history here in America is determined by the flow of our rivers

He’s onto something there. In Colonial times, it was easier for people in parts of the Appalachians to send goods down to the Ohio and on to the Mississippi, than it was to send them back to the East Coast.

I don’t remember where I heard it but somebody said, when Lewis & Clark went up the Missouri River, for them it was uncharted wilderness but for the Indians, it was the Interstate Highway of the time.

The rivers were the quickest, easiest, and most economical way to move, well into the 19th century.

That’s one of the reasons the Appalachian Mountains developed as they did. There was no need to produce more than you needed or could trade locally, because there was no good way to get it to market.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 16th, 2010
8:39 pm

I coulda said Alabama but SoCO and I are from there. And I know my parents weren’t related.

Related hmmm, weren’t related by blood, that didn’t sound right either. Hmmmmm.

Dammit they were from distant states and weren’t related UNTIL they got married then. But I never did see the family tree LMAO.

;-)

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 16th, 2010
8:43 pm

Common Sense

The only Governor in my lifetime to leave office with a lower net worth than he went in with, was Lester Maddox. I was born under Marvin Griffin, whom of course, I don’t realkly remember, but it’s been an endless parade of pretty much the same with different faces, since then. I mean, eveerybody knows why I-85 bypassed Gainesville and went to Lavonia, right?

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 16th, 2010
8:44 pm

As much as it hurts to read Michener sometimes (first there was a grain of sand, then another gain of sand) for the first 200 pages. His book Centennial spoke of the western rivers which held my attention after he got to that part.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 16th, 2010
8:46 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe@8:43 pm

I disremember the I85 bypass. What was that about.

I like the word disremember I heard it from a politician once.

:-)

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 16th, 2010
8:49 pm

Common Sense

Ernest Vandiver was from Lavonia and as well as being Governor, he was married to the niece of Sen. Richard B Russell.

I read Centinnial many years ago and really enjoyed it. I did, however, skip the first 100 pages or so, about the rocks and the sand and stuff.

And did you know, North Georgians played a large part in founding Denver?