Is Christian astronomer a victim of religious discrimination?

Astronomer Martin Gaskell was in line to be founding director of a new observatory at the University of Kentucky.

However, Gaskell is also a skeptic about some aspects of evolution, based in part on his Christian faith, and has expressed those doubts in lectures and writings. For example, he writes, the theory of intelligent design “is just exploring the question of what evidence there is in the universe for design by an intelligence,” calling it “a general, non-religious question (although with obvious religious implications). Because of those beliefs, the University of Kentucky “went in another direction” in filling the job of observatory director.

As the Louisville Courier Journal reports:

One search committee member, Sally Shafer, called Gaskell “fascinating,” but “potentially evangelical” in an e-mail to the chairs of the search committee and the Department of Physics and Astronomy….

An astronomy professor, Moshe Elitzur, told department chair Michael Cavagnero that he feared embarrassing headlines about Kentucky’s flagship university hiring a “creationist” in a state already home to the controversial Creation Museum.

And three UK biology professors consulted by Cavagnero vigorously objected to Gaskell’s hiring.

One, Jim Krupa, said hiring Gaskell would be a “disaster,” particularly because UK planned to use the observatory to promote science education among the general public. UK “might as well have folks from the Creation Museum get involved with UK’s science outreach” if it hired him, he wrote to Cavagnero.

Another geology professor, Shelly Steiner, wrote that UK should no more hire an astronomer skeptical of evolution than “a biologist who believed that the sun revolved around the Earth.”

Gaskell, who rejects creationism as unscientific, has since filed suit in federal court, alleging that religious discrimination cost him the job. The case is scheduled to go to trial in February.

Kentucky is no stranger to such controversies, which may explain why university scientists were so wary. As the Courier-Journal pointed out, it is already home to the Creation Museum (Motto: “Prepare to believe”).  The state of Kentucky also recently agreed to provide tax incentives to a business group that wants to build Ark Encounter, an 800-acre biblical theme park featuring a life-sized replica of Noah’s Ark, 40 miles down the interstate from the Creation Museum.

An artist's rendering of the proposed Ark Encounter park in Kentucky.

An artist's rendering of the proposed Ark Encounter park in Kentucky.

Personally, while I have serious doubts about the viability of Ark Encounter as a business (its backers predict it will draw 1.6 million visitors a year and create 900 jobs), I don’t think the case raises serious church-state issues. It’s a for-profit venture, and the tax incentives it will use are available to other businesses as well. Its religious theme should neither qualify it nor disqualify it from state aid.

Gaskell’s case is a little different.  I do understand why UK science faculty would be wary of putting an advocate of intelligent design in a high-profile job such as head of a university observatory. If Gaskell continued to act as a public spokesman and defender of intelligent design, his hiring would imply an endorsement of that essentially religious, non-scientific point of view by the University of Kentucky. Evolution is part of the fundamental bedrock of modern science.

The controversy may also help explain an interesting data point from a 2009 Pew poll of 2,500 scientists, conducted in collaboration with the American Association for the Advancement of Science. The survey reported that 55 percent of scientists identify themselves as Democrats; just 6 percent identify themselves as Republicans.

– Jay Bookman

454 comments Add your comment

TH

December 15th, 2010
9:30 am

Today is December 15.

BONER, WHERE ARE THE JOBS CREATED FROM THE BUSH TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY?

ADO

December 15th, 2010
9:31 am

“The survey reported that 55 percent of scientists identify themselves as Democrats; just 6 percent identify themselves as Republicans.”

No surprise there.

Mick

December 15th, 2010
9:35 am

The person with the best qualifications should get the job regardless of religious beliefs. Kentucky, home of mitch mcconnell, need I say more?

barking frog

December 15th, 2010
9:36 am

Although religious discrimination does not exist
in the US, it is unfortunate that he was not a Moslem
since the University officials would have been afraid
of a fatal fatwa and would have hired him.

TaxPayer

December 15th, 2010
9:37 am

The state of Kentucky also recently agreed to provide tax incentives to a business group that wants to build Ark Encounter, an 800-acre biblical theme park featuring a life-sized replica of Noah’s Ark.

As long as the folks behind this venture have sufficient faith in their success to put up their Ark as collateral, why not!

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

December 15th, 2010
9:39 am

This one is as clear as can be, this man was denied opportunity because of his religious beliefs. Off with some heads at UK. UK should not be punished any less than if it had denied a chair in the middle eastern studies department to an individual who is a Muslim soley because his being Muslim would prevent him from providing a fair and balanced (which see, Gretchen Carlson) view of the middle east.

I would wager the whole of my economic resources and holdings against $1 that a debate opponent (the gauntlet is thrown at your feet, Jay) could not argue effectively that the evolution is feasible. You see, the cancerous growth called the evolution, which undermines our society and the Word of TLG, himself, is tied, nuts in bag, to the Big Bang Theory. BBT falls apart with one sinle question, “From whence did the energy and matter depolyed in the BBT originate?”

At the end of the day, the Word of TLG is Truth and all is is givbberish or, Jay, if you prefer, junk science.

All praise to Him.

Rusn, Sarah, run.

larry

December 15th, 2010
9:39 am

don’t think the case raises serious church-state issues. It’s a for-profit venture, and the tax incentives it will use are available to other businesses as well. Its religious theme should neither qualify it nor disqualify it from state aid.

I disagree , the ark should not recieve tax incentives from the state.

Isnt the Ark being built be people who are defenders of intelligent design?

larry

December 15th, 2010
9:40 am

“Isnt the ark being built BY , not be .

RW-(the original)

December 15th, 2010
9:41 am

Interesting that they would worry about someone who had a personal belief in creationism when you know full well that they wouldn’t waver for a second over someone for the same position that was a full-blown “manmade climate change” nutjob that claimed goats were “evolving” into cyborgs right before our very eyes.

/drive by

Fred

December 15th, 2010
9:42 am

It is vogue to discriminate and belittle Christians in this Country. Everyone is allowed to have their beliefs and express them freely except Christians.

Here on this blog you see them ridiculed on a daily basis. Christians are a great targetfor the Jews, the Muslims, and the Atheists, and the left wing.

What’s new?

Union

December 15th, 2010
9:43 am

“The state of Kentucky also recently agreed to provide tax incentives to a business group that wants to build Ark Encounter, an 800-acre biblical theme park featuring a life-sized replica of Noah’s Ark, 40 miles down the interstate from the Creation Museum.”

i almost spit out my coffee when i read that.. lmao seriously? its like something you would see in a bad hollywood movie..

stands for decibels

December 15th, 2010
9:43 am

just 6 percent identify themselves as Republicans.

And every one of them signed the Petition Project.

Bosch

December 15th, 2010
9:44 am

LOOK AMVET!! THE CREATION MUSEUM!!!! AmVet and I have splored that before. It’s loads of fun.

Joel Edge

December 15th, 2010
9:45 am

“55 percent of scientists identify themselves as Democrats; just 6 percent identify themselves as Republicans.”
If you are a scientist and identify with a political ideology, you’ve lost perspective. Science shouldn’t have a political leaning. So, does that mean 55 percent of scientist have lost their perspective. That would explain a lot. Despite the soon to come insults, you can have faith and believe in science. God works in really mysterious ways. I suspect he/she is a good bit sharper than us.

@@

December 15th, 2010
9:45 am

Count me among the conservatives who does not believe that one automatically excludes the other.

Evolution AND Intelligent Design can be conceived in a single mind…a Christian’s mind. It’s not that rare.

Mick

December 15th, 2010
9:46 am

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

“From whence did the energy and matter depolyed in the BBT originate?”

From whence did god originate?

ty webb

December 15th, 2010
9:46 am

bigger questions for the UK astronomers…What’s causing the moon of kentucky to be blue? and why does it keep on shining?

Bosch

December 15th, 2010
9:46 am

“over someone for the same position that was a full-blown “manmade climate change” nutjob that claimed goats were “evolving” into cyborgs right before our very eyes.”

Yeah, those scientists and their science and all. And by the way, I would seriously doubt the sanity of anyone who claimed goats turn into cyborgs. We all know cyborgs were created by man…

……and they have a plan.

Bosch

December 15th, 2010
9:47 am

“It is vogue to discriminate and belittle Christians in this Country. Everyone is allowed to have their beliefs and express them freely except Christians.”

Fred? Really? Isn’t that like saying white men are put down by the man?

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

December 15th, 2010
9:48 am

Mick
9:46 am

Good originated from The Lord G-d, Himself.

Jay

December 15th, 2010
9:49 am

You know, the willful pretense among some Christians that they are victims of persecution in this overwhelmingly Christian country makes me laugh sometimes.

I have no idea what the Muslim faith has to say, if anything, about evolution. But I also have no doubt whatsoever that if Martin Gaskell cited his Muslim faith to explain why he rejects mainstream evolution theory, that too would have been enough to cost him the observatory job.

Mick

December 15th, 2010
9:50 am

Wyld bh

OK – but how did god come into being?

JDW

December 15th, 2010
9:50 am

I think the faculty could use some training on what to write in emails…that said hiring a Creationist to be Founding Director of an observatory makes about as much sense as hiring a Chaplin that is an avowed Atheist.

If the Creationist has a claim for religious discrimination so would the Atheist.

Everyone knows that

December 15th, 2010
9:51 am

Eons ago, an extra-terrestial race of giants landed upon our planet, gave a sentient juice to certain animals, which turned them humans, so that these humans could mine(probably uranium) for said ETs. (black people for day shift,white people for night shift, red people for mid shift, yellow people for management).

Being somewhat benovolent, the ETs did not destroy us upon leaving.

The egg will be upon the faces of BOTH creationists and Darwins, when the ETs return.

ByteMe

December 15th, 2010
9:52 am

JDW: he shoots, he scoorrrrres!!!

Jay

December 15th, 2010
9:52 am

Yes Bosch. In a country overwhelmingly dominated by white Christian males, white Christian males are the most persecuted minority in the country.

I don’t know how that could be. But that’s what I’m told.

stands for decibels

December 15th, 2010
9:52 am

It is vogue to discriminate and belittle Christians in this Country.

So some right leaners like to claim, over and over and over again.

And so I, and others of similar ideological bent, point out that American Christians as a whole are rarely discriminated against, nor are they belittled in any way; that, rather, some more colorful groups of self-proclaimed “Christians,” on the other hand, do take some well-deserved ribbing.

Which they seem to rather enjoy for martyrdom’s sake. At which point I turn it down a notch, because there’s little point in carrying on.

Just a preview of coming attractions, here.

retired early

December 15th, 2010
9:52 am

Anyone who actually believes the story of Noah’s Ark is a hopeless moron. The fact that Ky is willing to spend taxpayer money on this is (pardon the pun) UNBELIEVABLE.
I totally agree with the decision not to hire him…he CANNOT be a scientist AND a creationist.

ByteMe

December 15th, 2010
9:53 am

Everyone knows that: not as long as Will Smith learns to fly space ships before then.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 15th, 2010
9:53 am

Maybe Georgia needs to start copying KY (they make great jelly) and stop looking to FL for our education direction.

:-)

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

December 15th, 2010
9:54 am

Joel Edge
9:45 am

“Science shouldn’t have a political leaning. ” Truth certainly has no leanings, science is but small minds of man trying to rationalize those of TLG’s precepts that their limited intellect cannot comprehend. The Bible is inerrant Truth, science is fool’s talk.

That would explain a lot. Despite the soon to come insults, you can have faith and believe in science. There is only one Trutha and science isn’t it. Science is a crutch for the disobedient soul trying to justify his/her brokenness.

“he/she” – Come, there is no way to the FATHER, but through the SON. No she there.

AmVet

December 15th, 2010
9:54 am

Now that’s funny, Bosch!

The politically correct right-wing expect the university to be required to hire an Adam & Ever to provide scientific information to the community? I can just see the guy now; talk about putting both feet in one’s mouth! It is more than likely that he would say something extraordinarily stupid about Darwin being a quack and then there would be the brouhaha about how to undo a huge mistake.

Alas, the Bluegrass State – already laughable and derided for the aforementioned Creation Museum. Thank goodness they didn’t succumb to religious pressure to actually hire this man.

And to JB’s point, for those who misguidedly lament the status of the poor, set upon Christians in this country, remember your history of who tortured who and who killed who on this continent.

There is ONLY one remaining segment of American society that is still proper to overtly discriminate against – atheists.

So save me your alligator tears, Jesus fans…

Call it like it is

December 15th, 2010
9:54 am

Funny the mans a Christian therfore lets don’t give him the job. But if he was a Muslim, that would be a different story. Tucker and Bookman would be screaming from the roof tops for him to get the job.

Man Jay getting all of your beliefs out this week arent you? Christians=bad, Global warming, Evolution is the only way to go…

ByteMe

December 15th, 2010
9:55 am

@Call it like it is: strawman argument. Not a particularly good one, either.

Joel Edge

December 15th, 2010
9:55 am

Jay@9:49
Sorry. Recent statements by our CNC leads us to believe that we are not a Christian nation. If Gaskell had stated his beliefs from a Muslim viewpoint he would probably have still been fired. Just not as quickly. Hmmm….how good is security for the UK campus?

retired early

December 15th, 2010
9:56 am

I love the stat of 55% of scientist are Dems, while 6% were Repubs…says a lot doesn’t it Joel ?

Steve

December 15th, 2010
9:56 am

Well you wouldn’t hire an atheist to run a church. Why would you want someone who believes in the Supernatural and Mythology to head a science project?

carlosgvv

December 15th, 2010
9:57 am

No Astronomer of any real worth is going to believe in creationism. The University has done the right thing since this man obviously is not qualified to be a major University scientist. When scripture tops science, it’s time to look for a new profession.

stands for decibels

December 15th, 2010
9:57 am

black people for day shift,white people for night shift, red people for mid shift, yellow people for management

Heh.

(Spirit of Life, forgive me, I just can’t find it in my heart to be offended by this.)

Call it like it is

December 15th, 2010
9:58 am

“I can just see the guy now; talk about putting both feet in one’s mouth! It is more than likely that he would say something extraordinarily stupid about”

No more then likely he would have done his job and done it well.

Normal

December 15th, 2010
9:58 am

Since Kentucky built the ark, they must believe in global warming…all that rain, don’tchaknow…
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Bosch,
Is it true that the oldest thing in the Creation museum is only 6000 years old? I guess there are no T Rex bones, huh?

TaxPayer

December 15th, 2010
9:58 am

I kinda like the idea of these creation museums and such being approved as long as they’re for-profit. Do they collect a sales tax on admission tickets as well as on the Taiwan-made souvenier Arks that I suspect they would offer in their gift shop.

Mick

December 15th, 2010
9:58 am

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

“God is a concept / By which we measure / Our pain ” lyrics by john lennon, it smacks of the truth.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

December 15th, 2010
9:58 am

retired early
9:52 am

“Anyone who actually believes the story of Noah’s Ark is a hopeless moron.”

Well, this “hopeless moron’s” intellectual capital has put him in a position where is annual tax bill is most likely multiples higher than all the money your line has earned since TLG created the world.

Who, exactly, is the moron?

Jay

December 15th, 2010
9:58 am

As the Courier-Journal story makes clear, Gaskell does not consider himself a creationist.

ty webb

December 15th, 2010
9:59 am

If he was a muslim, he would’ve been hired to teach in a class more suitable to his expertise…feminist studies.

JDW

December 15th, 2010
9:59 am

Jay

December 15th, 2010
9:52 am
“Yes Bosch. In a country overwhelmingly dominated by white Christian males, white Christian males are the most persecuted minority in the country.”

Why Jay, I was discriminated against this morning…went in to pick up a CHRISTMAS present and the clerk had the NERVE to wish me Happy Holidays…clear example of the overwhelming odds the white Christian male faces today.

I think I need a tax cut to help me recover.

Normal

December 15th, 2010
10:00 am

Scientists are logical thinkers and rely on the Scientific Method to figure things out. They are also very intellegent, so it stands to reason that most would be Demcrats. “I think, therefore I am liberal…”

barking frog

December 15th, 2010
10:01 am

This could be a back door way of making sure the dude
gets hired by court order on the basis of religious discrimination.

Fred

December 15th, 2010
10:01 am

Jay@9:49:

Of course you find it laughable Jay. It doesn’t fit with your rose colored view of things. White men are never discriminated against and no black man can be a racist either, correct?

When a Mosque is denied rezoning (Lilburn I think), it’s a front page week long story here in the AJC. When a Christian Church is denied a building in Tucker, it’s not even mentioned.

Naw, there’s no bias………….

If his religion was not the core issue, you yourself would not have brought it up. But you did. WHat does thta tell us?

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

December 15th, 2010
10:01 am

Mick
9:58 am

John Lennon was a cancer upon humanity and the ill effects of his putrid existence still rot the very core of our society. I have no doubt that he was a piece of crap virus created by the very hand of Satan.

More popular than Jesus. That is why Easter is celebrated by billions, while ten unemployed, psychotic folks hold a candle light vigil outside Lennon’s apartment every year on the anniversary of his termination.

ByteMe

December 15th, 2010
10:03 am

@Wyld says: John Lennon was a cancer upon humanity…

Them’s fightin’ words.

Keep up the good fight!

December 15th, 2010
10:04 am

I believe the 6,000 yr old Earth is flat and is the center of the Universe. The Sun circles the Earth. This is my religious belief even though it is contrary to all actual science. So if I have all the same qualifications as any other astronomer who applied for the job, I am entitled to the job too!

Of course, I also believe in trickle down economics too so I can run the economics department.

Aquagirl

December 15th, 2010
10:04 am

Suing because you’re not hired due to your stupidity? I guess it was bound to happen eventually.

Road Scholar

December 15th, 2010
10:04 am

Yes there really is a creation museum in Kentucky! I wonder how their books look?! And here I thought every Christian church was a museum where you could learn about Christianity! I guess it was like the couple who bought $630 shoes for their daughter for Christmas; savings is not fun! Church is not fun?

Fred

December 15th, 2010
10:04 am

JDW

December 15th, 2010
9:50 am
If the Creationist has a claim for religious discrimination so would the Atheist.
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That’s just plain stupid. An atheist does not believe in religion. They aren’t a religion. that’s like saying The Atlanta Youth Choir would have a basis for “religious discrimination.”

JDW

December 15th, 2010
10:05 am

Normal

December 15th, 2010
9:58 am
“Is it true that the oldest thing in the Creation museum is only 6000 years old? I guess there are no T Rex bones, huh?”

Maybe theirs are only 4000 years old :roll:

Mick

December 15th, 2010
10:05 am

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

Lennon was a man – no more, no less. He wrote songs and had some ideas about life and became very famous. In the end, all he was saying, was give peace a chance. I think the prince of peace might have agreed.

Bosch

December 15th, 2010
10:06 am

” I guess there are no T Rex bones, huh?”

Normal, everyone knows that the TRex and other dinosaurs died in the flood because they were too big for the Ark.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 15th, 2010
10:06 am

Jay@9:52 am

Jay we’ve had this discussion before here.

SoCo is the MAN and is the one that is keeping us down LOL

;-)

JDW

December 15th, 2010
10:07 am

Fred

December 15th, 2010
10:04 am
JDW

December 15th, 2010
“That’s just plain stupid. An atheist does not believe in religion. They aren’t a religion. that’s like saying The Atlanta Youth Choir would have a basis for “religious discrimination.””

I think you got it Fred, either case would be just plain stupid…kudos to you!

Bosch

December 15th, 2010
10:07 am

Common Sense,

Yeah, and where is SoCo, I guess he’s out putting down white guys this morning.

@@

December 15th, 2010
10:08 am

And if Mr. Gaskell had been a black Christian? They exist too, jay, or do you choose to ignore that “little fact”?

Union

December 15th, 2010
10:08 am

some ppl feel that ppl came to america to escape religious prosecution in other countries. i am all for the mosques growing here. more muslims in the world than anything else and i think they would be safer here.. than elsewhere.. when someone goes somewhere to spend a little time with their higher power.. i dont think they should have to be worried about getting blown to bits.

Joel Edge

December 15th, 2010
10:09 am

retired early@9:56
“says a lot doesn’t it Joel ?”
Yes it does. Reread the post. If you identify yourself with a certain political viewpoint is your objectivity suspect? I would love to see the survey. How far do the 55 percent identify with Democrat leaning? The 6 percent? This actually tells you nothing. A handy number to bash conservatives with. “look, a lot scientist are dems, they must be the smarter party”
I actually have a couple of pages bookmarked from about week ago. I kind of figured this was going to be talking point.
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/12/where-are-republican-scientists
http://www.slate.com/id/2277104/

Jay

December 15th, 2010
10:09 am

Gee, @@, he could have been a lesbian Scientologist too. I should have mentioned that, I guess?

Call it like it is

December 15th, 2010
10:09 am

Interesting and very telling, how all non-Christians immediately revert to name calling and derogatory remarks regarding this man and those who support him. Attacking a belief, an entire state for having a museum built around their beliefs. I wonder which state has the real issues, Ky or Ga for having a $50 million dollar museum in their downtown area for a soda company. Christians bad, Coke good…………….

Normal

December 15th, 2010
10:10 am

Wyld Byll…about Easter….

The Traditions of Easter

As with almost all “Christian” holidays, Easter has a secular side as well. The dichotomous nature of Easter and its symbols, however, is not necessarily a modern fabrication.

Easter has always had its non-religious side. In fact, Easter was originally a pagan festival. It was co-opted by Christian missionaries starting in the second century CE.

The ancient Saxons celebrated the return of spring with an uproarious festival commemorating their goddess of offspring and of springtime, Eastre. When the second-century Christian missionaries encountered the tribes of the north with their pagan celebrations, they do what Christian missionaries have always done; they attempted to convert them to Christianity. They did so, however, in a clandestine manner.

It would have been dangerous for the very early Christian converts to celebrate their holy days with observances that did not coincide with celebrations that already existed. To save lives, the missionaries decided to spread their dogma slowly throughout the populations by allowing them to continue to celebrate pagan feasts, but to do so in a Christian manner.

As it happened, the pagan festival of Eastre occurred at the same time of year as the Christian observance of the Resurrection of Christ. It made sense, therefore, to alter the festival itself, to make it a Christian observance as pagans were slowly indoctrinated. The early name, Eastre, was eventually changed to its modern spelling, Easter.

The Date of Easter
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Prior to A.D. 325, Easter was variously celebrated on different days of the week, including Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. In that year, the Council of Nicaea was convened by emperor Constantine. It issued the Easter Rule which states that Easter shall be celebrated on the first Sunday that occurs after the first full moon on or after the vernal equinox. The “full moon” in the rule is the ecclesiastical full moon, which is defined as the fourteenth day of a tabular lunation, where day 1 corresponds to the ecclesiastical New Moon. It does not always occur on the same date as the astronomical full moon. The ecclesiastical “vernal equinox” is always on March 21. Therefore, Easter must be celebrated on a Sunday between the dates of March 22 and April 25.

The Lenten Season

Lent is the forty-six day period just prior to Easter Sunday. It begins on Ash Wednesday. Mardi Gras (French for “Fat Tuesday”) is a celebration, sometimes called “Carnival,” practiced around the world, on the Tuesday prior to Ash Wednesday. It was designed as a way to “get it all out” before the sacrifices of Lent began. New Orleans is the focal point of Mardi Gras celebrations in the U.S. Read about the religious meanings of the Lenten Season.

The Easter Bunny

The Easter Bunny is not a modern invention. The symbol originated with the pagan festival of Eastre. The goddess, Eastre, was worshipped by the Anglo-Saxons through her earthly symbol, the rabbit.

The Germans brought the symbol of the Easter rabbit to America. It was widely ignored by other Christians until shortly after the Civil War. In fact, Easter itself was not widely celebrated in America until after that time.

The Easter Egg

As with the Easter Bunny and the holiday itself, the Easter Egg predates the Christian holiday of Easter. The exchange of eggs in the springtime is a custom that was centuries old when Easter was first celebrated by Christians.

From the earliest times, the egg was a symbol of birth in most cultures. Eggs were often wrapped in gold leaf or, if you were a peasant, colored brightly by boiling them with the leaves or petals of certain flowers.

Today, children hunt colored eggs and place them in Easter baskets along with the modern version of real Easter eggs — those made of plastic or chocolate candy.
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BTW, I celebrate John’s birthday. He was a true prophet.

Bosch

December 15th, 2010
10:11 am

Did Call it just refer to Coke as “soda?” Oh, no he didn’t!!

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 15th, 2010
10:11 am

I heard UofP is ready to buy UK when the enrollment goes down.

Plus it gets them a basketball team.

They will try to sell the football team to anybody with $1000

:-)

Union

December 15th, 2010
10:11 am

Bosch
December 15th, 2010
10:06 am

Normal, everyone knows that the TRex and other dinosaurs died in the flood because they were too big for the Ark

8O

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

December 15th, 2010
10:11 am

Mick
10:05 am

“Lennon was a man…..”

Sure, but he was also a very destructive Moron or, so to speak, a termite upon society’s very framework. Let’s objectively review the bitter fruit of his leading role in popularizing illegal street drug use and extra-marital sex. When one looks at the horrible toll that these two pillars of Lennon’s lifestyle have taken on our society, it becomes very clear that his influence and life degraded us all. He wrote a few songs that now find there highest and best use in television commercials, so he is a great man? No way, he was a horrid person and, as a real songwriter, Junior, once penned, “I’d love to spit some Beechnut in that dude’s eye.”

DebbieDoRight

December 15th, 2010
10:11 am

Bosch

December 15th, 2010
10:12 am

Yeah, Union, yeah — see? It’s important to learn something new every day.

Union

December 15th, 2010
10:13 am

@bosch.. omg.. stop.. youre killing me..

Bosch

December 15th, 2010
10:13 am

And Union — their little arms kept them from swimming…..it’s really sad if you think about it.

TaxPayer

December 15th, 2010
10:13 am

And if Mr. Gaskell had been a black Christian? They exist too, jay, or do you choose to ignore that “little fact”?

That’s right! And what about black female Asian Christians!

ty webb

December 15th, 2010
10:13 am

and shouldn’t North Carolina be ridiculed more…A Nascar Museum? really?

Fred

December 15th, 2010
10:14 am

Jay

December 15th, 2010
10:09 am

Gee, @@, he could have been a lesbian Scientologist too. I should have mentioned that, I guess?

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No, you wouldn’t have mentioned that. There is no profit or joy for you in a Scientologist lesbian bashing thread. However, a Christian bashing thread such as you started has you laughing all the way to the bank.

Nice job on setting the “tone” in the week leading up to one of the 2 most “holy” days in the Christian calendar. Mark Arum on WSB though has you beat. He spent his whole show one Easter bashing Christians and Christianity, you merely got it in the same ‘holiday season.”

DebbieDoRight

December 15th, 2010
10:14 am

Wild Bill [I know i spelled it wrong]: Sure, but he was also a very destructive Moron or, so to speak, a termite upon society’s very framework. Let’s objectively review the bitter fruit of his leading role in popularizing illegal street drug use and extra-marital sex.

Bill FYI – wasn’t infidelity/extra-marital sex (David & Bathsheba) in the bible? So how exactly did Lennon make it popular? And BTW wasn’t there rampant drug abuse BEFORE Lennon was even born (check out the Civil War Vets use of morphine and the cocain use of the early 1900’s). Just asking……….

Normal

December 15th, 2010
10:15 am

I’m glad to see that Wyld Byll is full of…Christian love for all mankind this morning.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 15th, 2010
10:15 am

Nascar is a religion in NC. Can’t descriminate against it.

:-)

@@

December 15th, 2010
10:15 am

Gee, @@, he could have been a lesbian Scientologist too. I should have mentioned that, I guess?

Compartmentalizing, jay…it’s never a good thing. So why the left’s enthusiasm to “do it” to Christians when they come in all colors?

Union

December 15th, 2010
10:16 am

ty.. them is whip a$$ words now boy.. dont be bringing nascar into this..

Adam

December 15th, 2010
10:16 am

Hmmm tough call. He shouldn’t be denied the job unless it’s pretty clear he’d be promoting his religious beliefs in place of science. And he certainly shouldn’t be given the job if they can’t fire him for doing the same. Religion has no place in a science class. If you want to teach religious concepts, do it in a theological class, or comparative religion class. Still, if he can reasonably show that his beliefs would not conflict with his job, then he should not be denied the job.

Also 55% as Democrat, 6% as Republican. What are the other 39%?

Jay

December 15th, 2010
10:16 am

Fred, could an atheist be elected president of the United States? Governor of Georgia?

Has anybody but a Christian male been elected president?

As to your questions: Of course black people can be racist. Of course a white male can be discriminated against.

JDW

December 15th, 2010
10:16 am

Good Morning Debbie

barking frog

December 15th, 2010
10:16 am

Galileo was a Roman Catholic until he po’ed the Pope
by getting involved in that science junk…..

ty webb

December 15th, 2010
10:16 am

Common sense…,
shouldn’t you be scrolling past my comments?

AmVet

December 15th, 2010
10:17 am

It is fascinating how one of the many illogical “Christian” arguments presented this morning repeatedly revolves around Islam. And the dripping hatred thereof.

I sense that many of the neo-cons here are upset that the Modern Day Crusades ended much too early and that they did not result in more carnage visited upon those heathens.

So they puke up endless straw men and red (and even the occasional black!) herrings.

Yuck…

For the paragon of Christian values and love, Wild bill…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G-qAKmACDE

retired early

December 15th, 2010
10:18 am

Joel
“Recent statements lead us to believe we are not a christian nation…” Any religion is bad for mankind when those who practice it are blinded by their faith. Europe has figured it out…average church attendance less than 10%. I guess all those wars fought on their home turf made them realize we are …on our own…where was God when all these atrocities against humanity occurred.
Nowhere…..
As far as religious discrimation in America…show me ONE avowed Atheist who holds public on the state or national level….just ONE…

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 15th, 2010
10:18 am

morning DDR

Have you recovered yet with the morning after remedy?

MORE of the same LOL

Jay

December 15th, 2010
10:19 am

Oh my.

Wyld Byll ranting AGAINST extra-marital sex? Am I reading that right?

ty webb

December 15th, 2010
10:19 am

Nascar a religion?…yeah, like scientology.

JDW

December 15th, 2010
10:19 am

Normal, I think old Wild Bill channeling his inner Vengeful God this morning.

barking frog

December 15th, 2010
10:20 am

I had never really considered the Lesbian aspect
of Scientology..this may require more research…

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

December 15th, 2010
10:21 am

DebbieDoRight
10:14 am

TLG used the story of David & Bathsheba to communicate his His desires for man.

Rationalize, rationalize, rationalize. Here is the truith, Lennow was a dispicable person who used his status from being in a third-rate rock n’ roll band to sell his personal brand of degeneracy and substance abuse to a gneration of children. In effect and fact, he was little different than a child pornograher in the way he expolited and destroyed the lives of children.

ByteMe

December 15th, 2010
10:21 am

@frog @10:20: The guys here would appreciate a detailed report when you finish your research :shock:

Adam

December 15th, 2010
10:21 am

Wild Bill: I would wager the whole of my economic resources and holdings against $1 that a debate opponent (the gauntlet is thrown at your feet, Jay) could not argue effectively that the evolution is feasible. You see, the cancerous growth called the evolution, which undermines our society and the Word of TLG, himself, is tied, nuts in bag, to the Big Bang Theory. BBT falls apart with one sinle question, “From whence did the energy and matter depolyed in the BBT originate?”

Here’s your dollar, since no one on the planet can argue effectively on that point since your point makes absolutely no sense and has three different unrelated arguments (evolution, religion, Big Bang Theory) all of which you have not presented a viewpoint to truly argue against.

jm

December 15th, 2010
10:22 am

Gaskell’s Astronomy Lecture: “Now you see here? This is the star of Bethlehem. This is the only one you really need to know about…. the rest of these stars by the way, were put in place by God. Took him 6 whole days to do it.”