House votes to repeal DADT; Senate has the votes as well

The House of Representatives has voted 250-175 to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.

In the Senate, Republican Olympia Snowe has joined her Maine colleague, Susan Collins, in support of repeal. An earlier repeal effort, tied to a defense spending bill, failed by three votes to reach the magic number of 60. Snowe makes 58.

I’m seeing reports that Republicans Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Scott Brown of Massachusetts will also vote for the stand-alone measure, which puts the total at 60. By some counts, Richard Lugar of Indiana and George Voinovich of Ohio are also votes for repeal.

If all that’s true, we now have enough votes to end this policy. The remaining trick is finding time on the Senate calendar to get those votes cast.

Harry Reid, the nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

– Jay Bookman

179 comments Add your comment

Kamchak

December 15th, 2010
6:28 pm

The House of Representatives has voted 250-175 to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.

‘Bout damn time!

TaxPayer

December 15th, 2010
6:35 pm

Harry was the subject of a Simon and Garfunkel song!

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
6:38 pm

Just remember, Fierce Advocate still has to sign it and the Supremes have got their say-so…like I’ve said all along, we’ll see…I’m not opening the Chateau Cadillac just yet…

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
6:39 pm

And, Harry, Jesus loves you more than you will know… :-)

Fred

December 15th, 2010
6:40 pm

Where the hell can i get this Chateau Cadillac?

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
6:42 pm

Fred

December 15th, 2010
6:43 pm

This illustrates the problems faced by “compromise.” when the DADT compromise was reached, it was a step forward yet folks bitched about it. Great social changes take some time. We will have to wait to see if waiting is complete and everyone groks in fullness……….

Paul

December 15th, 2010
6:44 pm

First I’ve heard the Senate has the votes to pass.

Good, good and good.

No excuses, Sen Reid.

josef – don’t see where the Supremes would get involved. Don’t know who’d have standing to bring suit.

Fred

December 15th, 2010
6:45 pm

Josef: Is any specific year particularly tasty?

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
6:47 pm

FRED
2008…

PAUL
Who’d have the standing to bring suit? Surely you jest! You can bet your last Judah P that there’s somebody waiting in the wings…this is America! :-)

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
6:48 pm

FRED
Do you eat venison? It goes well…

Fred

December 15th, 2010
6:48 pm

Paul

December 15th, 2010
6:44 pm

josef – don’t see where the Supremes would get involved. Don’t know who’d have standing to bring suit.
=====================

According to the United States Constitution, NO ONE has the standing to challenge. Isn’t it article 1, section 8 that states something like “The Congress shall have Power . . . To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval forces?”

Paul

December 15th, 2010
6:49 pm

josef

Oh, I don’t doubt someone would try. Just don’t see it progressing thru the system.

I can see it now: “You honor, I want to have this law voided because it guarantees equal protection for all servicemembers….”

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
6:50 pm

FRED
It might have been a step forward for the breeders…but I’d say some 12,000 loyal Americans persecuted under it might disagree…

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
6:51 pm

PAUL

Like I say, we’ll see…

Fred

December 15th, 2010
6:52 pm

Josef: I love venison but not hunting any more. In regards to good deer meat I am like Blanche Dubois (Streetcar Named Desire) in that “I often rely on the kindness of stangers” in procuring it. You ain’t got any extra deer laying around you don’t want to eat do you? i have an empty freezer………

Paul

December 15th, 2010
6:54 pm

Fred

My understanding is the courts grant a lot of deference to laws involving military.

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Now, what would really make Pres Obama’s stature go up in my eyes would be if he then, as Commander in Chief, set aside all the discharges and offered people their rank and positions back.

Finally, we’d get some great language people back, some fighter pilots… think of the millions of dollars invested we’d get more return on. Hey, sell it as a business decision. Republicans’ll go for it!

Keep up the good fight!

December 15th, 2010
6:55 pm

Santa comes early!

Road Scholar

December 15th, 2010
6:56 pm

Just listened to the news in that the repubs are complaining that the Dems are disrespecting Christmas because the Dems want votes/debates on outstanding issues before Christmas, and the Dems are infringing on the time before Christmas.

Welcome to the real world repubs. I was always expected to work up until Christmas Eve, even though mgmt called to “wind down”. Many times I have been called into executive meetings, even on Christmas Eve.

We voted// hired you to do the people’s business. Just because you took so long to do so little, you expect to go home now? You may have won the latest election, but you still aren’t the Boss! Now vote on the tax package and DA/DT and other needed legislation. This doesn’t need to be painful. “Git her done!”

Oh, and don’t let the storm door hit you in the a$$ on the way out when you are dismissed!

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
6:57 pm

FRED
Running low…don’t know yet if Unmentionable and the boys are going on their Noble Savage foray…otherwise I’ll be on the back seat of the streetcar…

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
6:59 pm

PAUL

“Now, what would really make Pres Obama’s stature go up in my eyes would be if he then, as Commander in Chief, set aside all the discharges and offered people their rank and positions back.”

As the Bruin might say, moving the goal posts to Tokyo…Fat chance… :-)

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:02 pm

Unmentionable says “save the Kumbaya for when DOMA is repealed.”

Paul

December 15th, 2010
7:02 pm

josef nix

How many times I gotta tell ya’? I’m an idealist! An optimist!

Plus I just like to do the right thing when it ticks other people off! :-)

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:06 pm

PAUL

Yeah, so am I…but a fat lot of good that is when it comes to restitution…the AETNA principal, “oh, I’m sorry…here’s a hushpuppy, now shut up and go away…” :-)

Fred

December 15th, 2010
7:06 pm

Paul @ 6:54 and Jonix @6:59:

WHile it may be a good PR move and make his stature go up in your eyes, I don’t really give a rats ass about that. It would just be a good move for our County to “rehire” qualified people that were unjustly “fired.” Well all except one traitorous little cock sucker, named Bradley Manning, he needs to be tried and shot.

ty webb

December 15th, 2010
7:08 pm

While I agree with the sentiment…how’d that get past the moderator?

stands for decibels

December 15th, 2010
7:08 pm

woo woo woo.

.

.

(it needed to be said.)

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:09 pm

FRED
His stature will never go up in MY eyes…not on this issue…no doubt he’ll consult with his preacher Warren first…

Fred

December 15th, 2010
7:09 pm

Restitution is ok in principal, but in reality it sucks. If someone actually offers just “restitution’ then some scumbag blood sucking lawyer is going to take that as a sign that they need to get rich and sue for punitive damages. I mean if the Gov’t offers restitution, then the blood suckers can’t suck cash off it………

stands for decibels

December 15th, 2010
7:09 pm

Well all except one traitorous little cock sucker, named Bradley Manning, he needs to be tried and shot.

note to self: thank Supreme Being that Fred don’t run nothin’ but his mouth.

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:11 pm

ty

Great minds! I was asking the same question…has the Blue Nosed B*tch Moderator left early for Christmas vacation? :-)

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:12 pm

FRED
@ 7:09

Had not considered it from that perspective…

Fred

December 15th, 2010
7:14 pm

TY:
“While I agree with the sentiment…how’d that get past the moderator?”

Trial and error with the auto snagger Ty. If it gets past the auto snagger it has to be “reported” for a human to review it. I THINK each blog author revues the violations reports on their own blogs. In this case, it would be Jay. He’s pretty attuned to what is meant in a vile way and what isn’t.

But it all boils down initially to trial and error. Live a little and try some things out. i was surprised the first time I saw the word bitch get past the auto snagger………

stands for decibels

December 15th, 2010
7:18 pm

No excuses, Sen Reid.

well, you know. except for his upbringing, and every a-hole who tells him he’s going to hell for passing this.

be a fighter, Harry.

ty webb

December 15th, 2010
7:18 pm

josef,
yeah, and to think, I’ve been holding back. Things might get a little interesting around here.

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:18 pm

FRED
Is the Bruin in-house this p.m.?

Fred

December 15th, 2010
7:19 pm

Oh and Jonix and Ty? I live life on the edge. two phrases I love and live by are:

1). Who dares wins (Qui audet adipiscitur)
2). It’s better to ask for forgiveness than beg for permission

Fred

December 15th, 2010
7:21 pm

Is the Bruin in-house this p.m.?

I dunno. I’ve seen no reason to hack this site lol. Although I DID briefly toy with the idea of doing so to reinstate myself and ban that asshat Jeff Schultz on his own blog. But then I figured that the once or twice I year I actually read that schmucks stuff didn’t warrant the 15 minutes effort it would take me………

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:22 pm

ty

And don’t you know it! I’ve got all kinds of sh*t saved up! (let’s see if it passed)

Well, that one’s still on the sh*t list! :-) My 7:20 sans asterisk is in moderation…

ty webb

December 15th, 2010
7:26 pm

fred,
I can’t stand Schultz either.

@@

December 15th, 2010
7:27 pm

Stand alone? Why’d they stuff it in the first place?

@@

December 15th, 2010
7:28 pm

Oops! No sexual innuendo intended.

@@

December 15th, 2010
7:30 pm

Ah lawd! ‘Tis the season for poultry.

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:31 pm

@@

“Stand alone? Why’d they stuff it in the first place?”

Been my question all along…

D.F.D.S.

December 15th, 2010
7:31 pm

Don’t Fart Don’t Smell.

Fred

December 15th, 2010
7:31 pm

It’s funny the words that are placed in an auto snagger’s ban list. Most sites won’t let me post about a coon skin cap such as Davey Crockett wore. the letters c-o-c-k will not pass muster in any form, such as South Carolina’s mascot, The Gamecocks. Ass will usually get through because how can you assume anything without an ass? Damn is usually verboten though, but not here. I like that. Just Damn, is one of my favorite phrases. I could go on but i’m getting off topic on a thread that’s important to many of you. Sorry about that, no disrespect intended……..

Del

December 15th, 2010
7:31 pm

Here we have two theaters of war where we take casualties and depend on an all volunteer military. Now for no other reason other than ideological vote pandering we want to implement a non-essential social experiment on those who’re putting their young lives on the line 24/7, while the vote panderers play their political games in a lame duck session of Congress. We have 3 of the 4 major branch military chiefs stating that now is not the time to repeal DADT and no one, I’ll say again no one can say with absolute certainty that this repeal won’t do damage to a military whose nation sends them into war. Shameful

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:34 pm

DEL

And by the same token, no one can say with absolute certainty that the repeal WILL do damage…and, and not being snarky, if not now, when?

Fred

December 15th, 2010
7:36 pm

Hey Del, until you can tell me why every word in the Bible is correct EXCEPT the part where Jesus turned water into wine at a party after everyone was drunk have a cup of STFU on your hypocritical moral ramblings.

I’d rather drop with a gay soldier into a hot LZ than a Baptist………… I’d feel safer about having my back turned and not getting a knife in it.

Fred

December 15th, 2010
7:38 pm

Well I’m out. There is suddenly a particular stench of hypocrisy I have no desire to have my nose befouled with tonight.

Later.

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:38 pm

FRED
Not to stir the merde, but what if that Baptist is gay?

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:40 pm

ty

Madame Blue Nose let the French pass…reckon she will the Spanish this time…she’s blocked it before…let’s see… mierda!

Del

December 15th, 2010
7:41 pm

josef,

My point is that while I can’t say with absolute certainty that it would have severe negative impact, no one can say for certain that it won’t and that’s why 3 of the 4 major branch military chiefs said that now is not the time. Some politicians didn’t listen or refused to listen.

popeye

December 15th, 2010
7:43 pm

Now ain’t this a hoot, I reported this on this website at

December 15th, 2010
5:23 pm

As we speak the vote in the house for the repeal of DADT is 259 yeas 176 Nays…..

This is a good thing, and about time!

Not a peep, yet Jay posts the same thing and we have a rainstorm of Johnny come Latley’s

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:43 pm

Del…
And again, I ask, if not now, when?

You asked another but Pfft, he was gone

December 15th, 2010
7:44 pm

Not to stir the merde, but what if that Baptist is gay?

Does this person also attend Scout’s church. If yes, then he/she’s got bigger problems to contend with.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 15th, 2010
7:44 pm

Good for all the GAY NAVAL CORPSMEN WHO ARE CALLED WHEN A MARINE GETS WOUNDED

You asked another but Pfft, he was gone

December 15th, 2010
7:46 pm

And again, I ask, if not now, when?

When FOX tells him that it is time.

ty webb

December 15th, 2010
7:48 pm

Popeye,
we have more important fish to fry…like seeing just what we can and can’t get by the moderator. Josef’s already gone trilingual.

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:50 pm

ty

Ach! Scheiss!

Dudley

December 15th, 2010
7:50 pm

Just wondering why straight men always assume all gay men want to have sex with them most gay men I know will not hit on someone who is known to be straight

Del

December 15th, 2010
7:50 pm

josef,

As I’ve said many time before on this blog before, you and I have discussed it in depth. I think DADT is good policy and should remain in place. You ask if not now, when? My answer is certainly not in a time where our forces are spread thin and at war. Additionally we have other potential adversaries that represent potential threats to our national security. Not a good time to venture into the unknown with an all volunteer military.

popeye

December 15th, 2010
7:51 pm

Josef, you poor soul. Woe is me, I am so persecuted, because I’m from the south and I’m gay, and am Jewish to boot.

Hey Josef memo to you, no one gives a flying F about your problems! We’ve got problems of our own.

You think this universe revolves around you? Well it don’t … get over it.

ty webb

December 15th, 2010
7:55 pm

josef,
You’re talented. I, on the other hand, only had two years of spanish in college, and managed to retain absolutely nothing.

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:56 pm

DEL

Yes, we have. Essentially, though, you are psotulating that some soldiers are more deserving of respect than others. Why is it necessary to ever had had such a policy to begin with?

saywhat?

December 15th, 2010
7:56 pm

Fixed it for you Del:
“Here we have two theaters of war where we take casualties and depend on an all volunteer military. Now for no other reason other than CONCERN FOR AMERICAN VALUES, EQUAL RIGHTS AND MILITARY READINESS,we have CONCERNED CITIZENS/LEGISLATORS who want to implement an ESSENTIAL, LONG NEEDED MILITARY POLICY on those who’re putting their young lives on the line 24/7, while the RIGHT-WING vote panderers play their political games in a lame duck session of Congress. We have 3 of the 4 major branch military chiefs stating that now is not the time to repeal DADT, DESPITE THEIR OWN STUDY WHICH INDICATED THE OPPOSITE, and no one, I’ll say again no one can say with absolute certainty that this repeal won’t IMPROVE a military whose nation sends them into war. GO CONGRESS!”

Dudley

December 15th, 2010
7:57 pm

I know from experience in the army that homosexuality is hard to hide in the barracks when you live work eat shower etc with a group of people day in and day out

Curious Observer

December 15th, 2010
7:57 pm

This could get really interesting. If the bill becomes law, all those Marine DIs will need to silence their dire warnings about the consequences of engaging in gay sex. Unfortunately, officers and NCOs have spent decades inculcating homophobia into troops. The legacy of that will linger long after DADT is repealed. It is that, I suspect, that accounts for the anti-gay sentiment reportedly prevailing in the survey of combat troops.

@@

December 15th, 2010
7:59 pm

So Obama has met with 20 business leaders…their agenda? Overhaul the tax system and find ways to ease regulation.

A priority for business leaders is altering or eliminating regulations they believe are creating uncertainty and hindering growth, a step White House officials say Obama is open to considering.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g8f-9Ntrc-jxXCWtTtbGFu4oBlRw?docId=9da6c58a19864a53bec70cb9f199186a

Open to eliminating regulations? Since when? The president needs to make up his mind. His vascillating alone causes uncertainty.

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
7:59 pm

ty

It’s not a talent so much as it is that I had an aptitude for and interest in languages and that was recognized early on and my folks saw to it I got the resources necessary to develop them…

popeye

December 15th, 2010
8:04 pm

Oh, by the way Josef have you had the time or resources to research all my past anti-semite
comments. Didn’t thinks so.

Perhaps your good buddy Jay can use his data base to find one iota of fact that I’m an anti-semite.

Good hunting….

Curious Observer

December 15th, 2010
8:04 pm

I know from experience in the army that homosexuality is hard to hide in the barracks when you live work eat shower etc with a group of people day in and day out.

That doesn’t mirror my experience from four years in the Marine Corps, where we lived in open squad bays and took communal showers. I never even encountered a hint of homosexuality nor even any rumors of such, although I’m relatively certain that I must have served with some gays. The level of suppression was so great that it wasn’t even discussed, except for slurs against Navy people.

ty webb

December 15th, 2010
8:06 pm

sad news for everyone, I’m ’bout to sign out. Ya’ll try to be civil. that goes especially for all you liberal douchebags.

just jokin.

I meant “progressive douchebags”

j/k

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
8:07 pm

curious and Dudley

T, in the military, posting the other night made some interesting points about how you can tell,,,

Del

December 15th, 2010
8:07 pm

Fred@7:36pm, I think you’re about the biggest blow hard that’s come on in this blog. If not the biggest you certainly rank in the top 5. You toss down a few shots of loud mouth and then you attack anyone you disagree with you from the safety of a personal computer. You wouldn’t have what it takes to sit down in a man’s tavern and call out someone in real time because you would get your candy ass kicked as you’ve probably had it kicked many times in the past. Now anyone who rants like you has never been dropped into a hot LZ, however I’ll let others pamper your phony claims if they’re so inclined. I don’t care to waste any more time with you.

Moderate Line

December 15th, 2010
8:08 pm

Del

December 15th, 2010
7:31 pm
Here we have two theaters of war where we take casualties and depend on an all volunteer military. Now for no other reason other than ideological vote pandering we want to implement a non-essential social experiment on those who’re putting their young lives on the line 24/7, while the vote panderers play their political games in a lame duck session of Congress. We have 3 of the 4 major branch military chiefs stating that now is not the time to repeal DADT and no one, I’ll say again no one can say with absolute certainty that this repeal won’t do damage to a military whose nation sends them into war. Shameful
+++++++
No one can say for certain I will wake up tommorrow but yet I try to get a good night sleep anyway.

What is the worse thing that could happen? We start losing in Afghanistan. Oh! We already are. Never mind.

@@

December 15th, 2010
8:11 pm

A gay guy hit on my husband once. Does that mean my husband’s gay!!??!!

Could’ve fooled me. Naahhhh

schnirt

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
8:14 pm

@@

I’d say the gay guy shared your taste in men! ISH

popeye

December 15th, 2010
8:14 pm

Del…Your 8:07 was a 50 gallon drum of whup ass….what set you off my friend? By the way I’ve been in a few of those hot LZ’s Had to go back to the hooch and change my shorts………..

Dudley

December 15th, 2010
8:16 pm

Point being it is about time that gays can be totally honest about who they are without fear of reprisal the ones I knew about wer good soldiers. A lot better than quite a few straight men I wouldn’t trust with my life in combat

Peadawg

December 15th, 2010
8:20 pm

Good. They finally put it in a bill by itself and tada!!! look what happens!!!

@@

December 15th, 2010
8:20 pm

Why House Republicans might vote against Obama tax deal

O.K. by me.

“This is a huge lame-duck deal,” says Rep. Steve King (R) of Iowa, who says that Republicans should block the tax deal and bring the issue up again in January. “The voice of the American people was heard on Nov. 2. They voted for no new taxes, debt, or deficit, and their voices should be heard,” he adds.

Makin’ sausage may not be pretty, but neither should it be so expensive. Skin it back and let’s start over.

popeye

December 15th, 2010
8:21 pm

If you are homophobic my advice is not to go anywhere near a Gold’s gym.

Just saying!

gay friendly

December 15th, 2010
8:23 pm

the dont ask dont tell argument is a joke…. either way there is gays in the military, the least they can do is be open about it. why we are accepting liars into the US army to the defend the country i dont know. its not like they are looking at a gun and thinking ”oo that looks a bit phallic”. Get over it bigots. Have a sense of pride: http://davidhatton1987.blogspot.com/2010/08/pride-festival-2010.html

popeye

December 15th, 2010
8:28 pm

Oh Josef where are you….

Disregarding my comments may just make me have second thoughts about gays….

In other words are you one who can not face the truth and admit you’re wrong, and I’m right?

Are you a sniveling little coward who could not make it in the military, due to the fact you’re a crybaby, and the smallest thing could trigger Bonar like tears.

Get a grip,

You may have Dusty, @@@ and some of the other homers here fooled, but the only advocacy you represent here is your own!

Del

December 15th, 2010
8:29 pm

popeye…I’m sure you’ve been in more than a few hot LZ’s. The subject blogger who I was speaking to was talking down Southern Baptists in derogatory terms. I happen to be one, however, I don’t use this blog to share my testimony or attempt to convert anyone as I respect other beliefs. This blog is after all a political opinion blog. He didn’t like my comments in defense of my religious beliefs and has chosen to pursue a cyber space attack confrontation.

popeye

December 15th, 2010
8:35 pm

Del, Cool….I,m not religious…But, there Have been times when I looked to the sky, and said lord get me out of this shi*t in one piece.

But anywhose I agree, it doesn’t matter to me one whit what ones religion is.

And you are right this is not the forum to debate religion.

Bosch

December 15th, 2010
8:43 pm

“In the Senate, Republican Olympia Snowe has joined her Maine colleague, Susan Collins, in support of repeal.”

Ahhhhh…..the Senate Goddesses come through again. Sigh. I wish they were my friends and we could hang out and stuff.

Adam

December 15th, 2010
8:43 pm

I’ll be waiting, not quite holding my breath but waiting, to see how this goes in the Senate.

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
8:44 pm

BOSCH

Been waiting for that one! :-)

Del

December 15th, 2010
8:45 pm

Popeye, I’ve looked up there too even when I wasn’t much into my Christian beliefs and asked for help getting my butt out safely, so I can dig it.

popeye

December 15th, 2010
8:52 pm

Josef … Did you see my 8:35 in response to Del

Religion does not matter one whit to me…So please, how am I an anti-semite?

your apology is welcome.

Bosch

December 15th, 2010
8:52 pm

josef,

Those are real women, and they are awesome. :-)

AmVet

December 15th, 2010
8:55 pm

It appears that more than a handful of Republicans voted to end that charade. Is that possible?

Of course, the War Always Party wants to wait until we are not involved in two different “wars”. (Was John McCain always this shameful?)

And left up to them, that would be in the year 2075.

And I just love that new euphemism, “social experiment”. Justice for all has always been an experiment…

josef nix

December 15th, 2010
8:59 pm

BOSCH

If there is a hope for the redemption of the GOP this group of senators may be it. ‘Sides, Brown has his good points, you know! :-)

@@

December 15th, 2010
9:01 pm

popeye gave me three boobs. Looks a bit strange.

Mind if I toss one out, popeye?

@@

December 15th, 2010
9:01 pm

And what’s a homer?

David Granger

December 15th, 2010
9:03 pm

Keep in mind, however…it is NOT just enough to repeal DADT. For all its flaws, DADT was at least intended to protect gays and keep them from being discharged simply for being gay. If DADT is repealed, then the only military regulations on the matter will be the UCMJ, which states that homosexual behavior is “incompatible with military service” and requires that…if a unit commander suspects a subordinate of being gay…he is to investigate (including asking the soldier out right). If the commander discovers that the soldier is gay, he is obligated to initiate discharge procedures. If all congress does is repeal DADT, then we’re right back where we were BEFORE gays had DADT protection.

TnGelding

December 15th, 2010
9:07 pm

This is not the time with stop loss in effect.

TnGelding

December 15th, 2010
9:20 pm