Yes it’s cold; yes the planet is warming

I opened the back door Monday morning to let the dog out, and she bounded into the yard, alert for squirrels or any other mischief she might find.

But two steps out the door, she stopped, stunned by the frigid air. She turned slowly and looked back up at me with a comical, you-have-got-to-be-kidding look on her face.

Yes, it’s cold. Bone-chilling, maybe record-breaking cold. And when I opened the door again five minutes later, it was one relieved, happy dog who bolted back into the warmth.

But as the saying goes, one robin does not make a spring, and one winter cold spell does not alter the reality of climate change. Local conditions notwithstanding, the World Meteorological Organization says that 2010 is likely to rank as the third warmest year on record dating back to 1850.

NASA, which uses records dating to 1880, believes 2010 will top even the previous record set in 2005. Either way, 14 of the warmest years on record will have occurred in the last 15 years, which is a pretty strong indication of a trend.

Atmospheric scientist Gerald Meehl, with the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., told a House subcommittee last month that in the last decade, twice as many record highs were set in the United States as record lows. (In a stable climate, record highs and lows would be equal.)

The trend is also evident in Georgia, where Atlanta has recorded 13 record December highs over the last 20 years, compared to just one record low. Rural areas report the phenomenon as well. Young Harris, in the North Georgia mountains, has recorded six record highs in December in the last 20 years but no record lows.

Nonetheless, large segments of the American public continue to reject the existence of global warming. Others accept the reality of the data documenting a warming trend, but question the scientific consensus that the change is being driven by mankind.

Causation is admittedly a hard thing to judge for those of us who aren’t trained climatologists. Personally, I find it telling that experts began predicting this warming more than 30 years ago, and the trend has played out pretty much as they projected. That predictive success demonstrates a pretty deep understanding of a very complex, multivariable system such as global climate.

In other words, they seem to know what they’re doing.

Those experts also warn that the changes we’ve seen in our own lifetimes are relatively minor compared to the impact of change that will accumulate over decades. The world our grandchildren inherit is likely to be very different from the world we have known.

Human nature, on the other hand, doesn’t change quickly at all. It always looks for ways to dismiss news it doesn’t want to accept. Climate change is like hearing your doctor warn that if you don’t give up cigarettes and alcohol, you’ll probably die of a heart attack. The instinct to bargain kicks in immediately.

“What do you mean by ‘probably’ Doc? That means you’re not sure, right?”

“Well, we’re pretty sure. We can’t be 100 percent sure, but most physicians would tell you that there’s a high likelihood of that occurring.”

“‘Most physicians’, Doc? So, a few of you DON’T agree? There’s no consensus?”

The denial also reminds me of a scene in the movie “Dumb and Dumber,” when Lloyd, played by Jim Carrey, asks the beautiful Mary what his chances are with her.

“Not good,” Mary says.

“You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?”

“I’d say more like one out of a million,” Mary tells him.

“So you’re telling me there’s a chance. …”

Yes, there’s a chance that this warming is driven by natural factors. But as Mary would say, it’s just not a good chance.

535 comments Add your comment

TH

December 14th, 2010
7:20 am

Today is December 14.

BONER, WHERE ARE THE JOBS CREATED FROM THE BUSH TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY?

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2010
7:21 am

mornin’.

one winter cold spell does not alter the reality of climate change.

lather, rinse, repeat.

Holmes

December 14th, 2010
7:29 am

Its HOT…climate change.
Its COLD…climate change.
Its just right…climate change.
Someone chunked a rock thru my window…climate change.
Falcons dont make the Superbowl, Again…climate change.
Bookman writes another commentary on climate change…climate change.

J. Kase

December 14th, 2010
7:40 am

Until I can start feeling my feet again, climate change has little meaning for me this morning.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2010
7:40 am

It’s cold – what climate change?
It’s hot – crickets on climate change

Mick

December 14th, 2010
7:40 am

It’s a frigid 36 degrees here in miami, add in the wind chill and we’re in the 20’s, and I’m lovin it! Not to worry, temps will be back in the 70’s by thursday, somehow I’ll survive…

Normal

December 14th, 2010
7:40 am

Being a person who has learned in life that the only thing you can really be sure of is that time slot called “now”, I am willing to say that it is really really cold right now.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2010
7:42 am

“I am willing to say that it is really really cold right now.”

I don’t double down on the “really” until it’s too cold to walk from my car to my front door without wearing a coat!

Gimme a Break

December 14th, 2010
7:43 am

For 4 billion years the earth has been warming and cooling. The chance that man has anything to do with it, or can even make an infinitesimal dent in it, is microscopic. Wake up people…follow the money and see who has most to gain from absurd allegations.

TnGelding

December 14th, 2010
7:44 am

Has anyone else sucumbed to the temptation to switch to emergency heat? I got tired of hearing the heat pumb struggle about a week ago. And it isn’t even winter yet!

AmVet

December 14th, 2010
7:45 am

I love that scene, and the entire movie. And the soundtrack rocks (courtesy of TR).

Others accept the reality of the data documenting a warming trend, but question the scientific consensus that the change is being driven by mankind.

Yes, fact after fact after fact being added onto the already large mountain of facts has had that effect on some of the less intransigent and willfully myopic. But I would presume that almost without exception these are all enlightened deniers who until recently were in the “large segments of the American public (who) continue to reject the existence of global warming.”

However with more and more compelling information becoming available every week and month, I suspect that those in the land of ostriches will continue to diminish. Heck, even Pat Robertson became a convert. And that was four years ago.

Notwithstanding that the stuck in the 1950s Republicans are professional osbstructionists, foot draggers and desperte reactionaries, I suspect even they know that, as is the case with most things neo-con, they can only howl and delay and screw things up for a limited time. They cannot enlist an educated planet in joining them in going backwards and further hyper-poisoning this world.

And within a decade or so, I predict their impact will border on insignificance…

TnGelding

December 14th, 2010
7:46 am

One man can’t, but 7 billion can. But Mother Nature still rules.

JimW

December 14th, 2010
7:47 am

The Earth’s climate is constantly changing and has been throughout its entire history. A few decades ago, climate scientists were predicting another ice age. As long as humans are on this planet, there will be a human-induced component to that change.

The effects of a global increase in temperature are not overwhelingly bad. Growing seasons in temperate regions get longer. Heating costs decrease along with fuel oil and gas consumption in the winter.

Yes, climate changes. People are adaptable, otherwise we’d be extinct.

Keep up the good fight!

December 14th, 2010
7:48 am

Jay, now how will we sell our “clean” coal if you keep trying to spread the truth while we spread disinformation. Why now we have to attack Al Gore again and make fun of you doomsday predictors….just think of how much better things will be when Atlanta has real beaches. Sure there will be more violent storms but that is just a better opportunity for storm chasers.

Paul

December 14th, 2010
7:49 am

Amazing how many people don’t understand the concept “trend.”

Then again, there are lots of concepts people blow past that might conflict with their view of things.

AmVet

December 14th, 2010
7:50 am

Its HOT…climate change.
Its COLD…climate change.
Its just right…climate change.

Though inclined to ignore most of the many logical fallacies from the fringe, this one and it’s equally illogical corollaries, will be repeated numerous times before this thread ends. And already have.

Irrelevant appeals attempt to sway the listener with information that, though persuasive, is irrelevant to the matter at hand. There are many different types of irrelevant appeal, many different ways of influencing what people think without using evidence. Each is a different type of fallacy of relevance.

The antithesis of that post?

Scientists often use the term “climate change” instead of global warming. This is because as the Earth’s average temperature climbs, winds and ocean currents move heat around the globe in ways that can cool some areas, warm others, and change the amount of rain and snow falling. As a result, the climate changes differently in different areas.

TaxPayer

December 14th, 2010
7:50 am

COLD! COLD, YOU SAY! It’s 11 degrees Farenheit outside in North Georgia and it’s FALL. And, Yes, we have global warming. So. Let the winter games begin but there will be no thrill of victory for any that choose to venture outdoors. Only de agony of defeet.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 14th, 2010
7:50 am

Well, my old coon dog Ace set a new speed record for going outside to do his business and come back in this a.m. Me, I’m wearing my hunting cap with the ear flaps and about four layers of clothes. Not to mention two pairs of socks. The things us beer truck drivers put up with to keep you drunks happy! Anyhow, if it wasn’t for Global Warming, I might turn into a ice cube. I hope Bookman and the other libruls don’t expect me to wear a pair of swim trunks.

Have a good Tuesday everybody.

Jay

December 14th, 2010
7:51 am

So Break, let’s explore your theory a little deeper, shall we? Is it your proposition that the vast majority of the planet’s climatologists, along with the academies of every branch of science from anthropology to zoology, are engaged in a conspiracy to pervert science in order to … do what exactly?

Please, explain.

Paul

December 14th, 2010
7:51 am

keep up

Or, we can make fun of Al Gore and accept man has an influence on climate patterns.

It’s like making fun of a televangelist looking into the camera and saying “send me your money” while still accepting there is a supernatural component to life.

GB

December 14th, 2010
7:52 am

Even if one accepts global warming as fact, attributes this fact to human activity, and accepts that the warming trend is harmful, one is still faced with the highly questionable steps being proposed to deal with the problem.

Read Lomborg for a good analysis. The cost of the solution are huge, definite, and immediate. The results are tiny, speculative, and far in the future. A bad investment.

Better to spend money on other things.

Also, warming is not all bad. Is it a bad thing if we have a longer growing season in the Dakotas?

TaxPayer

December 14th, 2010
7:55 am

A few decades ago, climate scientists were predicting another ice age.

Ya know, the names of climate scientists would go a long way is defending your claim. Got any laying around.

Keep up the good fight!

December 14th, 2010
7:55 am

People are adaptable, otherwise we’d be extinct like the dinos, neaderthals and countless others. Of course, that does not say that all of us will survive, or the conditions we’ll have to live with or the changes that will need to be made…but some of us will probably survive and we may not be extinct. And our children will thank us because we could have done some adjusting now at a cheaper cost but by deciding to wait until it was too late, the options were greatly limited and cost a lot more…and, well, the truth is we are fighting a delay game…… Good news though…a lot more people are praying to any god they think may help.

Tommy Maddox

December 14th, 2010
7:55 am

Yes – the planet is warming – and robots are reading my mail…

Paul

December 14th, 2010
7:57 am

Tommy Maddox

If the planet isn’t warming, got any cites to demonstrate the planet is getting colder? Or that the climate is staying the same?

I don’t think there are any other possibilities. Do you?

Normal

December 14th, 2010
7:57 am

It occurs to me that those denying man’s role in climate change will be the first ones who will demand the Government fix it when it starts to personally affect them…don’tchaknow…

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2010
7:58 am

A wee bit of climate change humor

Jay

My dogs went out and came back in a big hurry this morning as well….
the cat however, sensed the cold and casually walked back into the house
and pooped in the pot of Sansevieria. Gotta get some mothballs today.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2010
7:58 am

“Also, warming is not all bad. Is it a bad thing if we have a longer growing season in the Dakotas?”

The real issue isn’t the effect on climate on land…it’s the effect of climate on the oceans. Dump too much fresh water (from melting glaciers, sea ice, and Antarctic ice) into the oceans and you dilute their salinity. A relatively small change in salinity can have major effects on the “conveyer belt” system of ocean currents that move heat around the planet.

Peadawg

December 14th, 2010
7:58 am

A knew it was only matter of time before Bookman posted a blog on climate change/global warming/whatever-the-hell-you’re-calling-it-these-days with is being in the teens here in GA. Love it!!!!!

AmVet

December 14th, 2010
7:59 am

“…one is still faced with the highly questionable steps being proposed to deal with the problem.”

Yes, no doubt, GB.

“The results are tiny, speculative, and far in the future. A bad investment.” Speaking of speculative. Without some evidence to corroborate this assertion, it rings hollow.

Better to spend money on other things.

Perhaps a couple of more wars? (Just kidding.)

I would imagine at any moment we well see a post on Cap & Trade. What we will not see are the more superior alternatives, because the deniers here are, again, fundamentally ignorant on this matter.

Educate yourselves and read about what is happening in British Columbia, where they have implemented a plan with real teeth in it and which actually addresses the problem.

Presuming that one agrees that pumping billions of tons of poisons into the air every single year is a problem…

James

December 14th, 2010
8:00 am

I just donated $10 more to Al Gore for massage oil.

How about something a little smarter like if you can “see it and/or taste it” in the air- it should be smartly reduced. Something a little smarter than lighting your hair on fire and flinging yourself from the nearest balcony because some ignorant blogger has nothing else to write about and an ex VP needs another 100million.

Normal

December 14th, 2010
8:01 am

Also, warming is not all bad. Is it a bad thing if we have a longer growing season in the Dakotas?

I think of insects. When warmer, they do not die out every seacon. Think of all that disease…west nile, lyme, plague….better have a good health care program, ’sall I’m sayin’…

AmVet

December 14th, 2010
8:02 am

“A few decades ago, climate scientists were predicting another ice age.”

This particular canard is ENORMOUSLY overplayed by the deniers. I assure you that they have read virtually nothing about it. I have. But as it sounds good, they parrot it like crazy.

As is generally the case, the reality is not what the neo-cons desperately want it to be…

Jay

December 14th, 2010
8:03 am

Lomborg’s degree is in political science.

And as Wikipedia describes his evolution:

In 2010, in conjunction with an announcement of a forth-coming book, Lomborg revised his position regarding mitigation of anthropogenic global warming. He has consistently supported the position that global warming exists, but cost benefit analyses, as calculated by the Copenhagen Consensus ranked climate mitigation initiatives low on a list of international development initiatives when first done in 2004. In 2008, the issue of global warming saw an increase in its priority ranking, culminating with examination of a broader list of possible solutions. He announced his agreement with “tens of billions of dollars a year to be invested in tackling climate change” and declared global warming to be “undoubtedly one of the chief concerns facing the world today” and “a challenge humanity must confront”.[1][2] In a 2010 interview with the New Statesman, Lomborg summarized his position on climate change: “Global warming is real – it is man-made and it is an important problem. But it is not the end of the world.”

TaxPayer

December 14th, 2010
8:03 am

I wonder what impact global warming (excluding the already known and occurring problems with pollutants from coal) will have on the health of the masses:

•Increased deaths to heatwaves – 5.74% increase to heatwaves compared to 1.59% to cold snaps (Medina-Ramon 2007)
•Increased heat stress in humans and other mammals (Sherwood 2010)
•Spread in mosquite-borne diseases such as Malaria and Dengue Fever (Epstein 1998)
•Increase in occurrence of allergic symptoms due to rise in allergenic pollen (Rogers 2006)

Not to worry though, on the positive side we have:

•Winter deaths will decline as temperatures warm (HPA 2007)

Call it like it is

December 14th, 2010
8:03 am

And AmVet gets the award for the being the 1st to blame it on the right. Your rubber cookie is in the mail, thanks for playing and have a nice day.

AmVet

December 14th, 2010
8:04 am

Longer growing seasons in N. Dakota?

Sounds like the children of Kudzu introducers and DDT fans…

Keep up the good fight!

December 14th, 2010
8:04 am

Why just a few years ago, there were claims that the Earth was round. Of course, we neocons know better. The earth is flat and there is no consensus that the Earth is round. Check the emails…its a conspiracy.

GB

December 14th, 2010
8:05 am

Amvet:

“Speaking of speculative. Without some evidence to corroborate this assertion, it rings hollow.”

Like I said, read Lomborg. The predictions of the impact of Kyoto etc. are very modest. Very small reductions in the increase in global temps way out in the future. The Skeptical Environmentalist is a thick book. The chapters on global warming are not an easy read. Lots of detail that one can’t sum up in a blog.

mystified

December 14th, 2010
8:05 am

Simple question that is left unanswered time and time again. Why is Mars also warming at the same time the Earth is?

When the turkey is overcooked, common sense dictates we see what the oven was set on…not invent ways the turkey caused the oven to become too hot.

The climatologists are smart people, but not above normal politics. They do not issue federal grants to scientists who may deprive the government means to regulate. Remember…it was only 40 years ago that the smart people were telling us we were on the brink of an ice age.

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2010
8:06 am

The world is flat because of the weight of the WMD’s.

AmVet

December 14th, 2010
8:06 am

You’ll thank me later, mystery meat.

That the bulk of the self-imposed ignorance lies predominantly in the Republican party, is not my fault. And though it is interesting it is not useful.

What is, is moving ahead without you…

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2010
8:07 am

Lomborg’s degree is in political science.

Speaking of “scientists,” over/under on ye olde “30 thousand scientists say otherwise” yakking point to appear within the next hour?

Jimmy62

December 14th, 2010
8:08 am

Not going to get in this fight, other than to say that Bookman’s logic is faulty. Some of the very same scientists that talk about warming were talking about cooling 30 years ago. In fact, I’d love to see evidence that anyone was talking about warming 30 years ago. Doesn’t mean I don’t think the Earth is warming, I just think Bookman’s facts and logic aren’t really what I would call good facts and good logic.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2010
8:09 am

“Some of the very same scientists that talk about warming were talking about cooling 30 years ago”

Names please

James

December 14th, 2010
8:10 am

anyway- the far right had its day a few years ago. sorry to the far left as your days were (thankfully) cut short. enjoy oprah and the view today with your hot toddy and remember to check under your bed for those evil tea partiers.

Joel Edge

December 14th, 2010
8:11 am

You would think that that after Phil Jones admitted there had been “‘no statistically significant warming since 1995.” that this would have died a quite embarrassed death. Not to be.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1335798/Global-warming-halted-Thats-happened-warmest-year-record.html
I would love to find the “little noticed BBC online interview”.
I just love the Gore effect. When they have a summit the temperature there drops.

Jay

December 14th, 2010
8:11 am

Mystified, that is just flat out wrong. Conjecture in scientific circles back in the early ’70s got blown out of proportion by the popular press, and subsequent research quickly and overwhelming discredited the global cooling conjecture.

To compare the depth of serious research behind current climatology to the conjecture about cooling 40 years ago is denial in its classic sense. “Smart people” also once conjectured that the sun revolved around the earth; does that mean they are now wrong when they tell us otherwise?

AmVet

December 14th, 2010
8:13 am

GB, thanks for the repost.

I fully admit that I am ignorant of the many arcane details of Kyoto.

I do presume it does not address the problem in the only way I know of that will conceivably work. Again read about British Columbia and what they are doing.

The Republican view that nothing should be done (and essentially that is pretty much always the right-wing approach) because it is too damn expensive is folly. And I believe part and parcel of their collective (get it?) embarrassing denials.

90% of the earth’s rain forest have been eliminated. MASSIVE poisoning of the air, land and water has occurred in the blink of an historical eye. Entire ecosystems and habitats destroyed. Mass mad-induced extinctions.

I’m no alarmist, but I suggest that the deniers WAKE UP!

I’m glad these guys weren’t running the show on Dec. 7, 1941…

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2010
8:13 am

Peadawg

December 14th, 2010
8:14 am

“Not going to get in this fight” – Me either. I’m just going to sit back w/ popcorn and enjoy the show. What a great to start a Tuesday…with Comedy Central Presents: Jay Bookman, Normal, Bosch, Granny Godzilla, etc.

J. Kase

December 14th, 2010
8:14 am

Another blog on climate control, who would have thought. This issue has been rehashed, and rehashed, and rehashed. The ones that believe it’s true will say that those who don’t believe have their heads buried in the sand. Those who believe that climate control is nonsense will say those who believe also believe the sky is falling. Very few on either side will change their minds no matter what.

Don’t thing so: think did we actually go to the moon….JFK was killed by a single gun man…..Armageddon will occur in 2012….There is a God…..Jimmy Hoffa is buried in (fill in the blank)…and on and on. If there is an issue, sides will be struck.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2010
8:16 am

“Very few on either side will change their minds no matter what. ”

You know, on some issues, one side doesn’t NEED to change “their minds” – because THEY are correct.

J. Kase

December 14th, 2010
8:17 am

“You know, on some issues, one side doesn’t NEED to change “their minds” – because THEY are correct.”

And this will surprise the other side….how?

Paulo977

December 14th, 2010
8:17 am

JimW
@7:47am
Good post …well argued .

Jay

December 14th, 2010
8:18 am

All the classic defenses are being trotted out now, I see.

Phil Jones was being scientifically conservative and responsible in those remarks, only to see them seized upon and twisted by those with an agenda.

As he later made clear, the record is clear that we’ve seen warming since 1995. But scientifically speaking, in terms of global climate 15 years is too short a time frame to be statistically significant. Looking back to say 1979, the warming does become statistically significant. Nobody in science, even the few remaining skeptics of climate change, sees Jones’ remarks as any kind of admission regarding what’s happening to our planet.

But those desperate for arguments to sustain their unsustainable position twist and distort it nonetheless.

James

December 14th, 2010
8:20 am

You got us with your 8:18 Jay. We need to send 100 billion or more to the UN NOW!. What a smooth poker player you are.

Keep up the good fight!

December 14th, 2010
8:21 am

Perhaps some neocons could read about one of the last groups to back away from claims that there was no climate change and now acknowledges the human activity involvement. As the American Association of Petroleum Geologists stated: Certain climate simulation models predict that the warming trend will continue, as reported through NAS, AGU, AAAS, and AMS. AAPG respects these scientific opinions but wants to add that the current climate warming projections could fall within well-documented natural variations in past climate and observed temperature data. These data do not necessarily support the maximum case scenarios forecast in some models

So even the petroleum geologists say it is occuring and that humans contribute, it just may not be as bad as some models predict. Then again lets remember that in 1999 this same group was rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate change.

Union

December 14th, 2010
8:22 am

chart?? where is the chart jay? we are having chart withdrawals..

GB

December 14th, 2010
8:23 am

Jay: I did not read the Wikipedia article on Lomborg. I read both his books.

GB

December 14th, 2010
8:24 am

Bye, all. Going to work.

Joel Edge

December 14th, 2010
8:25 am

“Phil Jones was being scientifically conservative and responsible in those remarks, ”
That would have to be a first. Now if he could have been as responsible before he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar (so to speak).

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2010
8:25 am

Let’s see….whom shall we believe on climate change?

A twenty-something still living in a college town (talk about comedy central!) or Honda, Continental Airlines, Suncor, Tesco, Alcan, PG & E,
S.C. Johnson, Goldman Sachs, Swiss Re, Hewlett Packard, Coca Cola, Verizon, Walmart, Discovery, L’Oreal, Canon, Ikea, Aveda, Whole Foods, Gap, Kohls, UPS, Kraft, Ford……

Union

December 14th, 2010
8:26 am

saw an article.. some russian scientist talking about how global warming could be a good thing.. he was looking at energy savings, etc.. and how the reduction in oil use would reduce emissions.. something like that..

Peadawg

December 14th, 2010
8:28 am

“A twenty-something still living in a college town (talk about comedy central!)”

I didn’t know working for UGA and my wife still trying to get a degree in dietetics was funny. Who knew!!!

mystified

December 14th, 2010
8:28 am

Jay, I believe 40 years from now people will be saying we blew this way out of proportion. None the less……Even though I do not buy into it or particularly believe the net result of warming will be a negative, I do support efforts to clean up our act. All we have to do is look at Haiti for the results of deforestation and abuse of our natural resources.

And I am so glad that we have people like Mr. Am Vet who God has blessed with such absolute confidence that he is absolutely right about everything. It must be nice just to know stuff.

Jay

December 14th, 2010
8:28 am

Jimmy (after dismissing the facts I’ve presented on the grounds that, well, he doesn’t like them) asks for evidence that scientists were discussing global warming 30 years ago.

Also from Wikipedia:

“The term global warming was probably first used in its modern sense on 8 August 1975 in a science paper by Wally Broecker in the journal Science called “Are we on the brink of a pronounced global warming?”. Broecker’s choice of words was new and represented a significant recognition that the climate was warming; previously the phrasing used by scientists was “inadvertent climate modification,” because while it was recognized humans could change the climate, no one was sure which direction it was going. The National Academy of Sciences first used global warming in a 1979 paper called the Charney Report, it said: “if carbon dioxide continues to increase, [we find] no reason to doubt that climate changes will result and no reason to believe that these changes will be negligible.”

Jay

December 14th, 2010
8:29 am

Union, in response to popular demand, we now have a chart.

Paul

December 14th, 2010
8:31 am

Given that “All the classic defenses are being trotted out now…”

Off topic:

Food for thought, reported by The Washington Post: “As Mr. Holbrooke was sedated for surgery, family members said, his final words were to his Pakistani surgeon: “You’ve got to stop this war in Afghanistan.”

Peadawg

December 14th, 2010
8:31 am

Jay, using wikipedia(where ANYONE can go post information) for an argument = fail.

Palin fan

December 14th, 2010
8:31 am

Common sense and tells everyone that this so-called “global warming” is nothing but a shamdreamed up by Al Gore and th lamestream media. Al Gore wants to sell books and the lamestraem media just wants more socialism and laws to take away your freedom.

Captain trade. Please, spare me your left-wing shams. They are just looking to scam more money from hard working Americans to “redistribute the wealth” to lazy welfare bums.

Toby

December 14th, 2010
8:31 am

I’m surprised to see so many of you are too young to remember the great “cooling” scare of the 70’s. Just because you weren’t born yet dosen’t mean it wasn’t put forth. I’m not taking a position but it was big news at the time.

mystified

December 14th, 2010
8:31 am

By the way…Still no reasonable explanation on why Mars is also getting warmer at the same time.

Peadawg

December 14th, 2010
8:33 am

“By the way…Still no reasonable explanation on why Mars is also getting warmer at the same time.” – All of the gases are breaking through our ozone layer and making it to Mars. Duh! And don’t forget, somehow, it’s all the GOP’s fault!!!!!

Normal

December 14th, 2010
8:34 am

Wow!

Sprout Puppy put me in with some pretty good company…Gotta love it!

paleo-neo-Carlinist (the artist also known as Joe the Plutocrat)

December 14th, 2010
8:34 am

what I find amusing about this issue is the sense of urgency demonstrated by those who are concerned about global warming. every time this issue presents in a blog, I refer bloggers to the final resting place of my lord and savior George Carlin’s digital soul (YouTube). type in “Save the Planet”. yeah, yeah, yeah, I know; there is all this scientific data and hundreds if not thousand of scientists jumping up and down, waving red flags… so what? who cares? I’d bet, if you ask a sociologist or anthropoligust, he/she might suggest mankind is more likely to produce the end of the species, as opposed to climate change. to wit; we fight with and kill each other at a far more efficient rate than Mother Nature. evolution usually stays one step ahead of change, but evolution has not produced an answer for nuclear weapons, chemical agents, cluster bombs, or bullets. think about this; in response to projectiles, we invented body armour, but in response to body armour, we invented armor piercing bullets. and, at the end of the day, as with any other endeavor, there are those who would profit from it, with no real concern about safety, security, or the next generation, but rather, who they can cash in on the trend. all you folks need to STFU and enjoy whatever climate we’re dealt. what’s next; you gonna wage a war on terrorism? you gonna wage a war on drugs, poverty? you gonna wage war on the war against healthcare reform?

Robespierre

December 14th, 2010
8:35 am

Bookman, your logic is convoluted and circular. Your argument reads, “It’s colder because we measured that it’s colder, but it’s hotter because we can derive that it’s hotter”. It’s like trying to fathom the universe, with its contortions of inconceivable dimensions that accompany the exotic particles of space-time.

You’re the one who knows not what you write, not your band of trolls. Okay, they know not either.

Global warming is beyond our understanding. The quantum-based criteria that determine the survival of any planet is a multi-tiered labyrinth of and/or gates most of which lead to catastrophe. In truth, it probably took an infinite universe to achieve the accidental, yet strangely-probable existence of the clay from which we were wrought.

So take your melted glaciers that are cooling off the El Nina winds causing the temporary cold spells and take a cold shower, and play another music video for the brown-nosing dwarf-planet-level trolls that embarrass the comments on this admittedly-fun2read blog.

Logic rules that you must start with planet formation. That brings in solar formation’s story because planets are a necessary consequence of solar formation. That brings in galaxy formation, because stars are a necessary consequence of galazy formation, and that brings in black hole formations because galaxies are a necessary consequence of black hole formations and so on and so on and stfu.

Sorry, but I can’t sit by and let a rube ruin logic and thus hamper derived truth.

Paul

December 14th, 2010
8:35 am

mystified

So planets have naturally-occurring cooling and change cycles? And sometimes they coincide? No mystery there.

Difference between Earth and Mars? One planet has people affecting the climate through large releases of certain gasses. The other planet doesn’t.

Paulo977

December 14th, 2010
8:35 am

Granny
Gozilla
@7:58am… very funny.Thank you.
Birds and squirrels in my yard are very happy that the cat is around for only a few minutes so they can enjoy what I put out for them…All things considered , these would be great

http://www.fotosearch.com/CSP090/k0902588/

Call it like it is

December 14th, 2010
8:35 am

Jay, using wikipedia(where ANYONE can go post information) for an argument = fail.

Beat me to it………. Remember guys Jay is just an opinion writer. And wikipedia is more then likely the only source he can find to back up his ideas. Doesnt really matter that anybody and their brother can put what they want on that site.

Lord Help Us

December 14th, 2010
8:35 am

I’ve asked before, and I’ll ask again…

How is it that those that do not believe in climate change (because the science is not ’sound’)…

Are also those most likely to not believe in evolution (same reason)…

BUT, are CERTAIN that Trickle down economics WORKS and ‘creationism’ should be taught in schools…

Always wondered…

James

December 14th, 2010
8:35 am

Peadawg- you work and your wife goes to school- how silly- you are therefore not a victim and not able to get your free stuff from others.

The real end game is $ and Bookman et al so desparately want to be the enablers.

Participants at the on going Seventh African Development Forum in Addis Ababa have accused developed nations of paying lip service to funding Africa’s efforts at combating climate change.

Speaker after speaker noted that while Africa contributes barely four per cent of carbon emissions, the continent bears the brunt while those whose actions endangered the planet remain reluctant at financing the process that will mitigate the disaster

Joel Edge

December 14th, 2010
8:36 am

Toby@8:31
I still have a copy of that book. Somewhere. Might have to dig it up and see what it fetches on eBay.

Keep up the good fight!

December 14th, 2010
8:36 am

Mystified…perhaps you can provide the links to the actual scientific studies to support your claim that Mars is warming. I suspect there will also be some explanations…Mars is likely be going through some natural changes…

By the way, the dispute is not there is not normal natural climate change over long long long periods, it is about the human impact that will push change faster and to a great degree.

Southern Comfort

December 14th, 2010
8:36 am

Yes – the planet is warming – and robots are reading my mail

Not a very compelling argument. Ya ever see those computerized mail sorters that “read” your mail and sort the letters according to where they’re headed?

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2010
8:37 am

every time this issue presents in a blog, I refer bloggers to the final resting place of my lord and savior George Carlin’s digital soul (YouTube). type in “Save the Planet”.

yeah, well, Carlin could be kind of a dick, too.

Paul

December 14th, 2010
8:38 am

Robespierre

“Global warming is beyond our understanding.”

Sigh…..

One way to prove that, if you’re up for it. Watch what’s contained in the following link. Then let of know if you understood.

Simple, yes?

http://tinyurl.com/2ehu3ts

TaxPayer

December 14th, 2010
8:40 am

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2010
8:43 am

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2010
8:43 am

Peadawg

When I need advice on breakfast buffets and beer bongs I’ll check in with you. As to Climate change, I’ll follow the money…like Honda
and Continental and the insurance companies who recognize that which you
oil loving, terrorist pals won’t accept.

Moderate Line

December 14th, 2010
8:44 am

Causation is admittedly a hard thing to judge for those of us who aren’t trained climatologists. Personally, I find it telling that experts began predicting this warming more than 30 years ago, and the trend has played out pretty much as they projected. That predictive success demonstrates a pretty deep understanding of a very complex, multivariable system such as global climate.
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The difficulty in linking global warming to human action is that is simply impossible to conduct experiments to indicate whether the theory is correct. An example is Alfred Wegener amply described what he called continental drift in the earlier part of the 20th century. Their was little evidence to support his theory at the time but that did not prove he was incorrect. It was not until the 1950’s that evidence was conclusive towards Alfred Wegner theory when mapping of the ocean floor was being conducted. It must be noted that he started out as a meteorologist.

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2010
8:46 am

like Honda
and Continental and the insurance companies who recognize that which you
oil loving, terrorist pals

erm, GG, last I checked Peadawg, for all the apparent snark herein, was one of the rational republicans on this issue. might wanna ix-nay on the insults-way…

USMC DAWG

December 14th, 2010
8:46 am

The climate has been changing on the Earth for thousands of years, Ice Age etc.

What happened to “Global Warming”??? Oh yeah, that name didn’t fit so we changed it to:
“climate change”.

Global Warming= the sky is falling.

Let’s go pay Third World countries Billions of dollars and “Carbon Credits” because we are so bad.

Our society is so narcissistic that some think we should be able to control the temperatures of the Earth. Unbelievable.

Stalin called them “the Useful Idiots”!

Peadawg

December 14th, 2010
8:48 am

“When I need advice on breakfast buffets and beer bongs I’ll check in with you.” – I thought you were all about political correctness and not judging people by the where they live, how they dress, color of their skin, etc? Guess I was wrong….you’re true colors are coming out this morning grandma.

Paul

December 14th, 2010
8:48 am

Dawg

“Our society is so narcissistic that some think we should be able to control the temperatures of the Earth. Unbelievable.”

Not ‘control.’

Influence.

Big difference.

James

December 14th, 2010
8:48 am

granny- when we need advice on how to sit in a glass house and throw stones- we will contact you. Interesting that my leftists friends now find their education from “evil corporations”- hmmm.

J. Kase

December 14th, 2010
8:48 am

Wife says it’s hard to believe in global warming when they can’t even predict what the weather will be this weekend. It’s hard to argue with her on this.

Donovan

December 14th, 2010
8:49 am

Anybody can see that there is a climate change. This has been a planatory happening since day 1. It is a natural cyclical event that the planet heats up from time to time and the planet cools from time to time. Keep in mind the operative word, “natural”. Man made is an argument between kooks and pragmatics. I lean towards the pragmatic side of understanding which shouts natural occurance.

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2010
8:51 am

Peadawg

You flew your colors at 8:14…..If you dish it out you should be strong enough to take it.

ty webb

December 14th, 2010
8:51 am

How many “carbon credits” can you buy with 1000 “schrute bucks”?