Another chain hung on Bernie Madoff’s soul

I’ve always been dubious about the claim by Bernie Madoff’s sons that they knew nothing about the massive fraud perpetrated by their father even though they both worked in the family business. On the other hand, I’ve also never seen definitive proof of their involvement. The question is at issue in lawsuits filed trying to recover millions of dollars in assets still held by the Madoff family.

Mark Madoff, with his wife Stephanie and son Nicholas

Mark Madoff, with his wife Stephanie and son Nicholas

Over the weekend, however, 46-year-old Mark Madoff ended his role in the scandal by hanging himself with a dog leash in his Manhattan apartment. His two-year-old son was found alone in the next room. The younger Madoff’s death came on the two-year anniversary of his father’s arrest, and you have a sense that this scandal will keep playing itself out over generations, like something in a Henry James novel.

It cannot have been an easy two years. Mark Madoff’s wife had already changed her last name and that of their two children from Madoff to Morgan, to escape the stigma of the name. And even if Mark knew about or suspected wrongdoing — an answer that he probably takes to his grave — he was brought up since childhood in that environment and was to a large degree another victim of his father’s greed and callousness.

I feel no such sympathy for the elder Madoff. By allowing his sons to work with him, regardless of how much they knew, he ensured that they too would be ensnared in his inevitable collapse. His eldest son’s death is on his hands, on his already heavily burdened soul.

Karma’s a bitch.

– Jay Bookman

250 comments Add your comment

TH

December 13th, 2010
8:31 am

Today is December 13.

BONER, WHERE ARE THE JOBS CREATED FROM THE BUSH TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY?

stands for decibels

December 13th, 2010
8:33 am

I can’t imagine ever hating a parent that much, even one named Bernie Madoff, but that’s just me

Anon Main

December 13th, 2010
8:40 am

Those guys were rich enough to have clones.

It is a clone that is in jail and a clone that it is the NYC morgue.

Lord Help Us

December 13th, 2010
8:41 am

Denial is powerful.

I suspect it played a large role among the Madoff’s, his clients and everyone that was a part of the operation.

Paul

December 13th, 2010
8:42 am

I’ll be the first with the Bible verse – the one about ‘the sins of the father passed on to the seventh generation.’

In other words, the effects of an evil life can continue on for years.

Saying the elder Madoff would grieve for his son and his role in it does, I think, grant a bit too much normal humanity to a sociopath.

I hope Mark’s kids escape the vortex.

Keep up the good fight!

December 13th, 2010
8:46 am

What part of illegal activity dont you understand Jay?

I agree that it is a shame that his son was also one of his victims, whether or not his son ended up a knowing or unknowing participant. I am confident that many will also express similar views, however, I am also confident many that express those views would also blame the child of someone who may be in this country unlawfully. But we live in a world without much real compassion.

ty webb

December 13th, 2010
8:47 am

“I’ve always been dubious about the claim by Bernie Madoff’s sons that they knew nothing about the massive fraud perpetrated by their father even though they both worked in the family business. On the other hand, I’ve also never seen definitive proof of their involvement.”

Me too, Jay, and that goes for the whole Cam Newton story as well.

Bosch

December 13th, 2010
8:49 am

Nothing really to say except, damn hate it for his family. But they might be better off — cowards commit suicide. He took the easy way out.

Southern Comfort

December 13th, 2010
8:51 am

I feel for Mark’s children. Hopefully, they will escape that spiral of gloom that surrounds that family. I don’t feel sympathy for grown people because they are capable of making a decision knowing the difference between good and bad. The children are innocent bystanders in this case. Hopefully, people will leave them alone and let them grow up away from the shadows of the Madoff name.

Union

December 13th, 2010
8:59 am

Bosch

December 13th, 2010
8:49 am
” But they might be better off — cowards commit suicide. He took the easy way out.”

you know this do you?

Joel Edge

December 13th, 2010
8:59 am

Unfortunately; this is what happens when you expect something for nothing. I suspect this is not the last we’re going to here about this scandal. Nearly sixty lawsuits filed against dozens trying to recover 40 billion. I get the feeling this going to ensnare more. If the truth ever comes out and gets reported.

Peadawg

December 13th, 2010
9:00 am

Man that global warming thing is a bitch these days!!!

Doggone/GA

December 13th, 2010
9:01 am

“cowards commit suicide. He took the easy way out”

That’s pretty harsh, Bosch. It isn’t cowards who commit suicide, it’s people who can’t see an end to the pain they are suffering, and who finally can’t bear it any longer. It’s like people who self-mutilate. They aren’t doing it to CAUSE themselves pain, they are doing it to RELIVE the pain they already feel.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 13th, 2010
9:02 am

Well, I kind of feel sorry for this Bernie Madoff. He would of made a good Conservative Republican except he never learned to steal from people legal-like by getting the law changed. You can’t cut corners by going straight to the stealing without getting the law to let you do it. He could of looked at how the people on Wall Street done it a couple years ago—just get rid of the law that won’t let you do it, put in a law that will, and then trade a heaping of nothing for billions of bucks. After a while people couldn’t get enough of those worthless mortgages. Then somebody had to go and ruin it all by pointing out the stuff they were trading was worthless.

Anyhow, I try and stay on the straight and narrow by keeping the Convert name on the up and up. That way, the missus and little ___________ Zell George won’t need to go to court to change their last name. But I’m still going to court to change ________’s first name. I won’t have him going thru life being named after a theif that took the taxpayers money and never done nothing for 8 years except get a special tax break passed and a exit to a port and a sweet land deal that got the state to pay twice what was paid for the land.

Have a good Monday everybody.

Doggone/GA

December 13th, 2010
9:02 am

oops! “RELIEVE” not RELIVE

AmVet

December 13th, 2010
9:06 am

From Climatology 101:

Scientists often use the term “climate change” instead of global warming. This is because as the Earth’s average temperature climbs, winds and ocean currents move heat around the globe in ways that can cool some areas, warm others, and change the amount of rain and snow falling. As a result, the climate changes differently in different areas.

jm

December 13th, 2010
9:08 am

I similarly have a hard time believing the sons did not somehow know what was going on. It is impossible to fathom that they didn’t know something was going on.

Sad. I also think that suicide for Mark Madoff was the easy out, whether he was guilty or not.

thomas

December 13th, 2010
9:11 am

Is this going to be looked at for bullying, as so many other suicides have been lately?

I mean lets be honest there have been alot of hateful things posted about the Madoff family including his son Mark.

Or is it O.K. to post things bad abut someone we have all percieved to be bad? Or is he considered a public figure?

Union

December 13th, 2010
9:12 am

AmVet

December 13th, 2010
9:06 am
From Climatology 101:

“Scientists often use the term “climate change” instead of global warming. This is because as the Earth’s average temperature climbs, winds and ocean currents move heat around the globe in ways that can cool some areas, warm others, and change the amount of rain and snow falling. As a result, the climate changes differently in different areas.”

more hurricanes.. global warming (climate change)
less hurricanes.. global warming (climate change)
hotter days.. global warming (climate change)
colder days.. global warming (climate change)

i need a job like that..

andygrdzki

December 13th, 2010
9:12 am

It appears that when spending the millions of dollars that were obtained through fraud and deception, and going to the Hamptons or Miami, that could be faced with ease…. He was a man…..
The thought of going to prison, for ripping off people, and perhaps becoming a boy toy, was a prospect he could not handle….. Was he a man…… He did take the easy way out with no thought of the consequences for his wife and family…..
It is a shame he ended his life, but I will give compassion to the wife and children,,,,, but very little for him…. If he was innocent, why would he take his life…… hum, it does make you wonder……

Doggone/GA

December 13th, 2010
9:13 am

“I also think that suicide for Mark Madoff was the easy out, whether he was guilty or not”

It always seems like that to the people not involved, but suicide is the ultimate resort of people so deep in depression they can literally not see any other way to end their pain. Even with all the money in that family, there’s an element of sadness that NO ONE could see the depths of his depression and get him some help.

I’ve had a couple of friends who were suicidal and the pain they suffer is horrible. Luckily, both of my friends were able to get help and get over their depression.

Bosch

December 13th, 2010
9:13 am

Union,

In cases like this, yes, I feel he acted cowardly and took the easy way out.

Doggone,

I know it is a little harsh, but I have a hard time feeling sorry for a guy who would hang himself with his son in the next room.

In other circumstances, like teenagers who commit suicide for various reasons, yes, I do feel for them and do not consider them cowards — sorry for writing in general there.

Union

December 13th, 2010
9:14 am

@ jm – @bosch.. so suicide is the easy way out? our military members that feel suicide is an only option.. they are cowards and taking the easy way out? please enlighten me some more..

Doggone/GA

December 13th, 2010
9:16 am

“If he was innocent, why would he take his life…… hum, it does make you wonder”

I don’t consider myself in any position to even speculate on his innocence or guilt, but check into suicides due to “survivors guilt” – it’s a very real problem after disasters. And, if you presume innocence, what happened in his family was a disaster of major importance.

The Anti-Wooten

December 13th, 2010
9:16 am

Jay,

Major props for the Jacob Marley reference. Timely and seasonally wonderful turn of phrase.

AmVet

December 13th, 2010
9:17 am

Union, before you qualify for said job of climatologist, you would need to demonstrate at least a modicum of some advanced education on the topic, with an understanding that the earth’s weather systems are enormously complex and inter-related.

Science-free, right-wing sound bites, bumper stickers and slogans do not fit in in that realm…

larry

December 13th, 2010
9:17 am

What does Mark Madoff’s suicide have to do with global warming?

Doggone/GA

December 13th, 2010
9:18 am

“but I have a hard time feeling sorry for a guy who would hang himself with his son in the next room”

Well, I can feel sorry for him – that his pain was so great that it blotted out all other considerations. But it is maybe easier for me to do that, since I have the experience of seeing friends have to deal with the depth of pain.

Joel Edge

December 13th, 2010
9:20 am

thomas@9:11
“I mean lets be honest there have been alot of hateful things posted about the Madoff family including his son Mark.”
Like Jay is pointing out, the blame rests with the father. It’s sad that many bad things have been posted about the family. A natural reaction to having your possessions stolen from you. Anyone with any sense of obligation to family would have not put them in this situation. But that belief covers a lot of ground.

Union

December 13th, 2010
9:22 am

amvet.. i understand that.. but we have also had a 5 (i think) ice ages come and go before man couldve made a difference. i would consider that significant..

Peadawg

December 13th, 2010
9:23 am

“What does Mark Madoff’s suicide have to do with global warming?”

That was my fault. I was just making a smartazz comment about global warming with all this snow, temps in the teens, football stadium roofs collapsing, etc. etc.

Normal

December 13th, 2010
9:23 am

hope Mark’s kids escape the vortex.

Betrayed by their grandfather and now betrayed by their father…expect a normal life? I doubt it.

Nice Guy

December 13th, 2010
9:23 am

“Karma’s a bitch.”

Way to keep it classy, Jay. Good job.

larry

December 13th, 2010
9:23 am

Suicide is a desprate act by people who have lost all hope. I disagree its the easy way out. People can only take so much, either bad luck or bad decisions that have came back to haunt them. While sometimes its spur of the moment, people think about this a lot before doing it.

You think its easy even thinking about ending your life?

RespectivePerspective

December 13th, 2010
9:24 am

Here’s wishing the Morgan family a new start on a better life.

Soothsayer

December 13th, 2010
9:25 am

RespectivePerspective

December 13th, 2010
9:26 am

That was my fault. I was just making a smartazz comment about global warming with all this snow, temps in the teens, football stadium roofs collapsing, etc. etc

I believe your use of the word “smartazz” was inappropriate.

AmVet

December 13th, 2010
9:26 am

Union, yes, and all of which has been addressed here before.

Those worldwide changes took thousands of years to manifest themselves, not a few decades.

Besides do you think this is some sort of earth-shattering news that the experts aren’t aware of?

Perhaps somebody should email (get it?) them…

godless heathen

December 13th, 2010
9:28 am

Climate change!?! The climate has always been changing. Can anyone point me to a study that shows that the current _rate_ of climate change is anomalous over the recent geologic history of the earth, let’s say the past 5-10 million years?

Nice Guy

December 13th, 2010
9:29 am

For all of you saying he took the easy way out, I must disagree.

He knew full well that litigation would be endless against him AND his wife and kids. He knew that he would have to provide answers to questions that would jeopardize his family’s future even more than it is currently. If he takes such answers to his grave, where will investigators turn? Maybe his thinking was that those unanswered questions will help stabilize his family’s future?

Nice Guy

December 13th, 2010
9:30 am

Are you all really going to debate climate change?

Ugh.

Peadawg

December 13th, 2010
9:30 am

“I believe your use of the word “smartazz” was inappropriate.” – and I thing Bosch’s comment at 8:49 was inappropriate. What’s your point?

Bosch

December 13th, 2010
9:32 am

Doggone,

“since I have the experience of seeing friends have to deal with the depth of pain.”

You are not alone in that experience — I actually cut a friend down from a rafter once — I shouldn’t have written in general that people who commit suicide are cowards, but in this particular case, I think he was.

deegee

December 13th, 2010
9:33 am

I don’t think Bernie Madoff has a soul.

Normal

December 13th, 2010
9:33 am

con man in jail=con man’s son committing suicide=global weather change… :shock:

The Anti-Wooten

December 13th, 2010
9:34 am

@godless heathen,

The question should be: If I pointed you to one of the many studies that show not only is recent climate change anomalous but matching the paleoclimate models that climate scientists have put forward would it make one iota of difference in your denialist mind?

RB from Gwinnett

December 13th, 2010
9:34 am

All I can say about this waste of blog space is at least it wasn’t about Palin, Sonny, or the R’s in general.

Southern Comfort

December 13th, 2010
9:37 am

Lord Help Us

December 13th, 2010
9:37 am

A ‘man’ of Mark Madoff’s ego likely did not go out without a suicide note (which is probably being kept from the public eye for now).

I believe he left a note and that it will shed some light in one way or another…

@@

December 13th, 2010
9:37 am

I’ll withhold comment since the man has children.

godless heathen

December 13th, 2010
9:37 am

The Anti-wooten,

Just I thought, you can’t.

Nice Guy

December 13th, 2010
9:37 am

“I don’t think Bernie Madoff has a soul.”

If he didn’t, he would have never admitted to his family that he was a fraud.

RespectivePerspective

December 13th, 2010
9:37 am

and I thing Bosch’s comment at 8:49 was inappropriate.

What is your point in addressing that comment to me.

Big D

December 13th, 2010
9:38 am

Bosch…again I agree with you and rarely do I disagree with Peadawg.
I believe suicide is the ultimate form of selfishness…birth and death are in Gods hands not ours.
We may not like the hand we are dealt…it is our obligation to play it.

Robert

December 13th, 2010
9:38 am

People seem to forget that the “noose from civil litigation and potential criminal charges” were beginning to tighten around his neck. We do not know, if any of Madoff’s secretaries being charged would testify against the brothers, as Federal witnesses.. Also, having become accustomed to such wealth, and knowing that you are going to lose it… (There is no doubt that the clawback will take most, if not all of their ill gotten gains…) And, rightfully, so… There is no generation of Madoff, i.e, child, grandchild, etc… that will be or should be allowed to keep the “fruit of the forbidden tree”… With that being said, Mark Madoff looked at his options and came to the conclusion that things would only get worse… Thus, he made his choice…. Personally, I would rather have wanted to see a criminal case brought against the two brothers, mother, and Uncle, and see them convicted and do hard time, as suicide was such an easy way out…. I wonder if his cold hearted snake of a mother even felt badly about her son’s suicide… (They have not spoken in two years according to the press reports, as she is so busy driving around in her old clunker in Florida dropping meals off to those less fortunate.) They should put on his tombstone….Mark Madoff Garbage in… Garbage out….

Mick

December 13th, 2010
9:38 am

It is a very sad story, why would he do this with his son in the next room, alone? Too many in this country focus on money and material wealth. You can lose it all but they can’t take your dignity or your life. Sadly, madoff’s son did exactly that – to himself. It’s a shame.

AmVet

December 13th, 2010
9:39 am

The climate has always been changing.

Irrelevant appeals attempt to sway the reader with information that, though persuasive, is irrelevant to the matter at hand. There are many different types of irrelevant appeal, many different ways of influencing what people think without using evidence. Each is a different type of fallacy of relevance.

Southern Comfort

December 13th, 2010
9:40 am

All I can say about this waste of blog space is at least it wasn’t about Palin, Sonny, or the R’s in general.

It’s such a waste of blog space, yet you’re here to put your $.02 in. What does that say about you? I’m sure the RB from Gwinnett blog has thousands upon thousands of hits on a daily basis. However, we’re glad you can take time out of your busy schedule to bless us with your sunny disposition on a daily basis. :roll:

RAMBLE ON!!!

December 13th, 2010
9:43 am

Karma is a bitch…kind of like that hope and change karma

willie lynch

December 13th, 2010
9:43 am

Well if he was a coward he has shown much more courage than his father. There a numerous suicides linked to the losses people suffered at the hands of Bernie Madoff if anyone should be willing to give his life it should be that scumbag. But staying true to his colors, he’s still cheating people out of what they deserve.

I do feel Mark Madoff his dad was probably someone he really looked up to. That’s tough all the way around.

Mary Elizabeth

December 13th, 2010
9:44 am

Mark 11:25-26:

. . .if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.”

RespectivePerspective

December 13th, 2010
9:46 am

“I don’t think Bernie Madoff has a soul.”

If he didn’t, he would have never admitted to his family that he was a fraud.

Is your claim here that people such as Madoff, that take in excess from others in order to enrich themselves regardless of the known impact that their actions have on others, have souls.

jm

December 13th, 2010
9:49 am

Union 9:14 – our military active and vets are heroes. This guy was probably an (unconvicted) criminal.

andygrdzki

December 13th, 2010
9:49 am

Union, comparing what a service member endures to a thief or the son of a thief is not a valid comparison.
As a retired military member having served in two wars, let me tell you, there is a very big difference? Being shot at or shooting at someone, places an emotional stress on an individual that is extremely hard to deal with. Some can lock it away, and some cannot.
Those military members are not cowards; they just could not endure or deal with the effects of war…. Those are the people we need to help, as with children that have not learned how to cope with life.

deegee

December 13th, 2010
9:56 am

Bernie Madoff confessed the fraud to his sons because he had to, not because he wanted to. He asked his sons to wait a week before going to the authorities. His sons didn’t wait a week, they went to the authorities that same day. Bernie Madoff never spoke to his sons after that. Bernie Madoff has no soul.

Union

December 13th, 2010
9:56 am

@andy… other than “karnas a bitch” we have no insight into what he was feeling or thinking. no one does.. i would not wish the pain on anyone regardless of the circumstances.. i am very well aware of what military service can do to someone..

deegee

December 13th, 2010
9:58 am

BTW, several records were broken throughout the West on Sunday. The unusually warm weather will persist in the Southwest today.

Mrs. Norris

December 13th, 2010
9:59 am

The bible says the mills of God grind slowly but they grind exceedingly small. It also says “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” So, I let’s put it in the hands of God and start worrying about our own d@$# b’ness. I don’t know about you but I have enough in my own life to worry about. God rest his soul.

Mike R

December 13th, 2010
10:01 am

Wow Jay I can believe it!!! You actually wrote something NOT about bashing Republicans and blaming Republicans for every problem in the world. Well done Jay, I thought when I clicked on this article that you would tie Madoff to Republicans somehow but you suprised me!!

@@

December 13th, 2010
10:01 am

jay could have used a word other than “hung”. A bit of overkill in my opinion.

A “broken link” would have been better.

Haywood Jablome

December 13th, 2010
10:03 am

Karma’s a bitch.

Little too early for this insensitive Palinesque cliche’, Jay.

AmVet

December 13th, 2010
10:06 am

An ugly, ugly part of the legacy of over-regulation…

Or as the fiscally irresponsible cons like to say, “Let the self-correcting free market police itself.”

^The worst government that dirty money can buy. Oh well, what’s a mere $18,000,000,000 between “friends”.

Concerns about Madoff’s business surfaced as early as 1999, when financial analyst Harry Markopolos informed the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) that he believed it was legally and mathematically impossible to achieve the gains Madoff claimed to deliver. He was ignored by the Boston SEC in 2000 and 2001, as well as by Meaghan Cheung at the New York SEC in 2005 and 2007 when he presented further evidence. He has since published a book, No One Would Listen, about the frustrating efforts he and his team made over a ten-year period to alert the government, the industry, and the press about the Madoff fraud.

Others also contended it was inconceivable that the growing volume of Madoff accounts could be competently and legitimately serviced by his documented accounting/auditing firm, a three-person firm with only one active accountant.

While awaiting sentencing, Madoff met with the SEC’s Inspector General, H. David Kotz, who is conducting an investigation into how regulators failed to detect the fraud despite numerous red flags. Madoff said he could have been caught in 2003, but bumbling investigators acted like “Lt. Colombo” and never asked the right questions.

“I was astonished. They never even looked at my stock records. If investigators had checked with the Depository Trust Company, a central securities depository, it would’ve been easy for them to see. If you’re looking at a Ponzi scheme, it’s the first thing you do.” Madoff said in the June 17, 2009, interview that SEC Chairman Mary Schapiro was a “dear friend,” and SEC Commissioner Elisse Walter was a “terrific lady” whom he knew “pretty well.”

Kamchak

December 13th, 2010
10:07 am

I’ll withhold comment since the man has children.

jay could have used a word other than “hung”. A bit of overkill in my opinion.

A “broken link” would have been better.

That certainly didn’t take long

schnirt.

moses

December 13th, 2010
10:10 am

the kid never had his old man’s stones…

Mick

December 13th, 2010
10:10 am

Soco

Yeah, the no label party….I’m in..

@@

December 13th, 2010
10:11 am

Kamchak:

Just a suggestion in the interest of Mark Madoff’s children.

So shoot me.

@@

December 13th, 2010
10:13 am

Southern Comfort

December 13th, 2010
10:15 am

Mick

I wouldn’t have minded being in NY today, so I could tell them how I feel. I’m hoping that with centrists like Bayh and Castle, this will stop the extreme swings from election to election. Maybe this will also bring forth better candidates than what we’ve been fed this century so far.

It’s amazing that Jay can write something absolutely non-political and the people who always accuse him of being a hack attempt to bring politics into this discussion. Geez people, give it a break. Even for just one thread.

Paulo977

December 13th, 2010
10:20 am

Mary
Elizabeth
@9:44am …I was so appalled by all these judgemental posts that I was hoping that we would somehow be challenged by your wisdom…Thank you

@@

December 13th, 2010
10:20 am

Only way to go in my opinion. But since I’m one among 300,000,000, my opinion doesn’t count for much.

Now that we see what is in the full text of the bill, we have serious reservations even about the original deal. So just to be clear, what The Heritage Foundation wants is a plain extension of the current tax arrangements. Congress should have a straight up or down vote on full extension, including the AMT. It can have a straight up and down vote on the unpaid for unemployment benefits, too, if progressives want that.

http://blog.heritage.org/?p=48146

Pull the pork!!!

Mary Elizabeth

December 13th, 2010
10:24 am

Thank you, Paulo977 @ 10:20

I hope you will check out my blog at http://www.maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com. (Mary Elizabeth Sings.) Somehow I feel my blog will especially resonate with you, Paulo.

In the blog, have said that ” ‘All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.’ That is what connects spiritually to every other person on Earth.”

Also note to AmVet: I am glad you enjoyed “Midnight Special” :-)

khc

December 13th, 2010
10:25 am

i am amazed more stories like this are not forthcoming…..if you worked on wall st and got a bailout to keep your job yet receive millions in bonuses, or if you served in congress and get a paycheck for abdicating your responsibility for the financial meltdown……or a local banker, real estate broker, etc….or the masses of folks getting loans not qualified for…..how do you live with yourselves….but ultimately i guess we all should share some of the blame……because deep down we suspected this would happen

The Thin Guy

December 13th, 2010
10:25 am

How can you tell that Bernie Madoff is a Democrat? Because that hyper partisan Jolting Jay Bookman doesn’t mention his party affiliation. One the side topic of The Perils of Global Luke Warming, would all of you who believe in this nonsense take off all of your clothes, run outside, stay there for an hour, and come back to your pc and repeat your mantra that 900 millions scientists being paid by this voodoo smoke and mirrors just couldn’t be wrong. Six billion years from now Our Sun will turn into a Red Giant and will totally destroy the inner solar system. All traces of the human race from the pyramids to Øbungle’s teleprompter will be reduced to their subatomic particles. There is nothing I can do about it; there is nothing The Gorbot can do about it; there certainly is nothing anyone on the blog can do about it. Pardon me while I place a codpiece on my brass monkey.

jm

December 13th, 2010
10:27 am

@@ 10:13 – well, the I think the “blacks” are right on this. If liberals ditch Obama, who do they think they’re going to get? They’re going to get a Republican in office…. the Dems are self destructing. Does not bode well for Obama in 2012…

Charmed&Blessed

December 13th, 2010
10:27 am

Bernie Madoff is to the republican party, like icing is to a cake.

stands for decibels

December 13th, 2010
10:31 am

Yeah, the no label party….I’m in..

I’m strictly a People’s Front of Judea man, myself.

AmVet

December 13th, 2010
10:36 am

stands, and not of the Judean People’s Front? (The poor non-fans of Monty Python have no earthly idea of what we speak…)

Southern Comfort

December 13th, 2010
10:38 am

jm

All Obama needs to do is hire a person for the position of Angry Black Man to stand in for him at press conferences. That way, he can defer to the ABM when he needs to be forceful without actually being labeled an angry black man. As you said though, it seems like the Democratic Party is setting themselves up for an implosion.

dB

LOL!!!!!

USMC DAWG

December 13th, 2010
10:40 am

Ironically, neither Jay nor any other Leftwing Liberals have mentioned anything about Bernie Madoff’s ties and relationships to Chuck Shumer/Democratic Party and all of the stolen money that Madoff donated to the Democratic Party. just saying

pat

December 13th, 2010
10:40 am

My attempts to warm this planet have failed and I apologize. I am going ot accerate the process. The catalytic converters are coming off of both my cars tonight.

Southern Comfort

December 13th, 2010
10:45 am

Ironically, neither Jay nor any other Leftwing Liberals have mentioned anything about Bernie Madoff’s ties and relationships to Chuck Shumer/Democratic Party and all of the stolen money that Madoff donated to the Democratic Party. just saying

And, what would mentioning that have to do with his son committing suicide? Did his son commit suicide because of political affiliations? Not everything in this world or on this blog has to tie in to politics. I love how y’all call Bookman a political hack when none of you can carry a conversation without bringing politics into it. So, who really are the political hacks??? :???: :?:

stands for decibels

December 13th, 2010
10:46 am

stands, and not of the Judean People’s Front?

effing splinter.

USMC DAWG

December 13th, 2010
10:46 am

From the article presented by @@:

“But some black commentators are warning that if liberals think they’re unhappy now, they haven’t seen anything yet.
In the unlikely event of a liberal presidential primary challenge to Obama, they warn, beware the black backlash.”

Talk about Racism, for crying out loud. What did the White commentators say about the white backlash?

DannyX

December 13th, 2010
10:46 am

I don’t think blacks got it right on that at all. You think liberals would lose? Exactly what would liberals lose? Right now liberals are the Democratic scapegoats. You go to liberals to blame your losses on.

If blacks want to go it on their own they lose. Look at Georgia. Blacks are now totally isolated in Georgia and have no power. Not true on the national level. Blacks still have a certain amount of power. Liberals? Not so much.

stands for decibels

December 13th, 2010
10:46 am

also too…

The poor non-fans of Monty Python have no earthly idea of what we speak…

presumably their google ain’t broke.

Tommy Maddox

December 13th, 2010
10:47 am

Keep up the good fight!

December 13th, 2010
10:50 am

The Judean Popular People’s Front is the only way to go!

Fred

December 13th, 2010
10:50 am

@@

December 13th, 2010
9:37 am

I’ll withhold comment since the man has children.
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i doubt they are reading Bookman’s blog.

I’ll withold comment because this is something I rank up there in importance on the level of Linsey Lohan or Paris Hilton’s latest state of sobriety or Country club like incarcerations.

Joel Edge

December 13th, 2010
10:50 am

jm and @@
The Dems are in this boat because they are the party of grievance. Obama’s doing a poor job but the party doesn’t dare try to run a challenger in 2012 without risking a defection of black voters. Same with the “Dream Act”, not getting that little piece passed will tick off some Hispanics. Trying to be the party of me-me-me is going to continue to cause the Dems problems.
Just saying.

Joel Edge

December 13th, 2010
10:51 am

And DADT. I forgot that.