In Florida, GOP moves to dismantle public schools

For years now, Georgia Republicans have been following a trail blazed by their counterparts down in Florida, slowly nibbling away at the foundations of public education by proposing limited voucher programs for disabled students or students in what were labeled “failing schools.

Now Florida conservatives may finally be ready to try for the full enchilada:

From the St. Petersburg Times:

“Traditional public school advocates shuddered Friday morning at news that Florida’s incoming governor was considering a voucher-like program that would be available to all students.

Called “education savings accounts,” the proposal would allow state education dollars to follow students to the schools their parents choose, whether public or private. Although there are few details, such a program could dwarf the state’s existing voucher programs, which are limited to either low-income or disabled students…

“There goes public education,” said Pinellas school board member Janet Clark.

“There had been talk of expansion of the (voucher) program,” said state Rep. Kriseman, R-St. Petersburg. “But that’s not an expansion. That’s a takeover.”

“If what the (incoming) governor wants to happen occurs,” Kriseman continued, “public education as we know it ceases to exist.”

Gov.-elect Rick Scott told about 900 voucher students in St. Petersburg Thursday that he wanted to “give every child in the state every opportunity that you’ve had, to make sure that you go to whatever school you want to.” In a interview later with the St. Petersburg Times, he said he wants a program that allows parents to use state education dollars at the school of their choice.

To essentially offer vouchers to all families “would be disastrous,” said Jean Clements, president of the Hillsborough teachers union.

One reason: The cost of paying for several hundred thousand students who are now in private schools.

“If suddenly all the children who are in private school are now going to have the citizens, the taxpayers, of Florida paying for that private school, or at least a good portion of it, that’s money that’s going to come straight out of the public school budget,” Clements said. “And public schools that are already strapped are going to be seriously hurting.”

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Adam

December 10th, 2010
2:50 pm

The Mandarins

December 10th, 2010
2:50 pm

Drats. Foiled again. Jay, why post on a seriously important topic?

Chuck

December 10th, 2010
2:51 pm

The Mandarins

December 10th, 2010
2:52 pm

Please do not worry about improving your schools. In 20 years, we will do all the thinking for you. So see, no need to get an education! We think, you work. Win-win….

Adam

December 10th, 2010
2:54 pm

This flies in the face of fiscal responsibility, just FYI.

The Mandarins

December 10th, 2010
2:55 pm

Please do not read this book. We have already banned it in China…. but the main issue is you don’t need to read it. We kindly request you to consider any other books over the holidays.

http://www.amazon.com/Super-Sad-True-Love-Story/dp/1400066409/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1292010869&sr=1-1

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 10th, 2010
2:56 pm

This a bad idea, in my opinion.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 10th, 2010
2:57 pm

Looks like Ga might finally pass a state on the stupid list :-)

The Mandarins

December 10th, 2010
2:59 pm

The education status quo is very good. Do not change anything about your education system. It works very well.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 10th, 2010
3:02 pm

The Mandarins@2:55 pm

When does the movie come out. If it’s not over 1 hr I might be able to pay attention That Long.

:-)

@@

December 10th, 2010
3:03 pm

Venturing into the unknown. A social experiment. Not sure why anyone would be opposed to that.

super mario

December 10th, 2010
3:04 pm

Off topic, but I love me some Bernie Sanders.

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx

super mario

December 10th, 2010
3:05 pm

er, um, I love-a me some Bernie. I mean-a to say.

The Mandarins

December 10th, 2010
3:05 pm

Common Sense – it will never come out. All DVD’s are Made in China. We will not make such a movie. Or the DVD players to play such a movie. This is misinformation. Please disregard it.

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 10th, 2010
3:08 pm

The Mandarins

Your oranges suck, by the way.

onpatroll

December 10th, 2010
3:08 pm

novel idea: Why don’t we place students where they should be placed; based on IQ scores instead of letting parents decide where their kids should go? Parents with low IQ scoring children want their kids to be treated like those of high IQ scoring children. And ‘treating’ here means placing their kids in classes that they have no business being in. all parents think their kid is just as smart as all the others and yes, the majority are but having smart kids being bored and slow kids having no clue is not good for them.

James

December 10th, 2010
3:09 pm

If the public school system hadn’t become such a joke, this wouldn’t not be an issue. Forget the quote by Clements….you don’t want to pay for kids in private school? Well as a parent paying for a child to be in private school with the same income that is taxed to pay for our sorry school systems, I’d gladly take a voucher that would actually allow MY earnings to be taxed and have that money follow MY kids.
Get your act together in the public sector and this would not even be on the table.

@@

December 10th, 2010
3:09 pm

Well, instead of being green with envy, liberals will just be green weenies.

Senate Democrats plan to move ahead with a bipartisan tax package, despite strong objections from House Democrats.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) unveiled a bill Thursday evening that keeps the deal between President Obama and Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) largely unchanged, but includes environmental provisions that may soothe angry liberals.–The Hill

Resurrecting the tried and failed (to materialize) green energy jobs, eh?

stands for decibels

December 10th, 2010
3:11 pm

This a bad idea, in my opinion.

on so many levels.

Doggone/GA

December 10th, 2010
3:12 pm

“Why don’t we place students where they should be placed; based on IQ scores”

Because IQ testing is my NO means a hard and fast science. And it does not test ability. You can be as smart as Einstein, but you won’t be smart at everything.

And, in addition, some people test lower on IQ tests for the same reasons they might test lower on “regular” tests – because they suffer from test anxiety, or because they are just too bored to do their best.

Adam

December 10th, 2010
3:12 pm

James: If it were an even return on your investment, as in you get back exactly what your portion of taxes were used to benefit public schools back to put towards private schools, then I would agree. I suspect you would find that would amount to approximately $3.

Granny Godzilla

December 10th, 2010
3:13 pm

Huge mistake.

But it’s Rick Scott, not the brightest bulb in the pack.

Follow the money trail, somebody will be making a profit and it won’t be Florida’s children.

Stacey Hopkins

December 10th, 2010
3:13 pm

Part of the problem is the inequity of funding of schools; wouldn’t money following the child be a possible solution to that?

I’m going to go out on a limb here, but would this actually be such a bad thing? By the money following the child, it forces public schools to compete by providing a better level of education in order to retain me in their school. There aren’t enough private schools to absorb every public school students and even with vouchers, many parents won’t be able to afford the cost anyway. This particular plan may need refining and clarification, but before we start vilifying and discounting something because a Democrat or a Republican proposed the policy, can we maybe see if there’s anything good about that can be built upon instead of automatically discounted?

The Mandarins

December 10th, 2010
3:13 pm

Please pay no attention to Michelle Rhee either. Her parents are from South Korea. This means they are bad and very ignorant, lazy people. You have good education. Only listen to Michelle Rhee if you want to mess it up.

Doggone/GA

December 10th, 2010
3:16 pm

“By the money following the child, it forces public schools to compete by providing a better level of education in order to retain me in their school”

But it forces them to do it with less money. I might not have as big a problem with this as some, IF – and only if – each parents tax contribution towards schools “followed” their own children. But what about MY taxes? I have no children, but I pay taxes towards schools anyway. Shouldn’t I have some say in where MY money goes for schooling?

The Mandarins

December 10th, 2010
3:17 pm

Stacey Hopkins – don’t be so silly. This idea is complete nonsense. No need to think about it. Please return to your regular duties.

James

December 10th, 2010
3:17 pm

Adam – agreed.

Stacey – good points.

True Competition would benefit both public and private schools.

But wait, the govt knows more about how to teach our kids than we do right? Oh wait a minute, i think i’ve heard this before about our tax dollars and health care…with such an awesome track record we should just sit back and take DC’s word for it, they wouldn’t mess something like this up would they?

Matti

December 10th, 2010
3:19 pm

In Florida, GOP moves to dismantle public schools.

Of COURSE they do! Bless their hearts. This comes as no surprise to anyone who spent any amount of non-tourist time there.

Mick

December 10th, 2010
3:19 pm

Well. well, well…yes good old florida blazing a trail by rick scott – superunknown stealth candidate who spent 75 million to procure this seat. On the upside, our veto proof repub legislature will have to be out of their minds to go that far. It will be in the courts if they do and its always a bad idea to try to make policy into law when you don’t really have a plan, but hey thats the florida republican way. One other thing, funny how scott never mentioned this plan before buying this election, if he did, he would have been sunk.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 10th, 2010
3:19 pm

The Mandarins@3:05 pm
Common Sense – it will never come out. All DVD’s are Made in China. We will not make such a movie. Or the DVD players to play such a movie. This is misinformation. Please disregard it.
——————

Maybe I can get a bootleg copy made in Little China

:-)

The Mandarins

December 10th, 2010
3:21 pm

Common Sense 3:19 :( herh

@@

December 10th, 2010
3:21 pm

Told ‘ya so!

Unions Ready to Fight Obama’s Free-Trade Pact With South Korea

All the dogs are piling on the poor pup.

janet

December 10th, 2010
3:23 pm

And tax money would be used to provide religious education. Do I get to decide which religion I want my tax money to fund? Separation of church and state once again is an issue.
And will the value of the voucher that each parent receives be taxable as regular income?
If a parent opts out of the voucher, do they get a tax credit?
What about parents who home school?

ken R

December 10th, 2010
3:24 pm

For Gods sake don’t do this, you will ruin the Teachers union and Democrats will lose thousands of votes. Our school system is tops in the country! isn’t it?

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 10th, 2010
3:24 pm

Maybe they want to lower the standards so that all the kids will be perfect little drones for all the touristy places to hire and VOTE the way they are told.

:-(

Tommy Maddox

December 10th, 2010
3:25 pm

Florida has a large teacher’s union. Hence a lot of static.

Skitty Fritty

December 10th, 2010
3:26 pm

Janet Clark says it all in this article. If she was confident the public schools were doing a good job, she wouldn’t make this statement. If you are providing a good product then you are not afraid of competition. Instead of fighting vouchers, maybe the public educators should look inward and find out why the consumer is unhappy with their current product.

ken R

December 10th, 2010
3:27 pm

Mick, I don’t know why he would buy his election when all other Politicans get theirs free. Have you bought that bridge yet?

The Mandarins

December 10th, 2010
3:28 pm

Skitty Fritty – competition is bad. Ruinous even. Florida would be very dumb to even consider such an idea.

Rafe Hollister

December 10th, 2010
3:28 pm

Freedom of choice and equality for every student, what a radical idea! Give every child a chance to succeed, can America stand it. Where will the Dems get their next generation of voters?

Matti

December 10th, 2010
3:28 pm

“True Competition would benefit both public and private schools.”

Only if each child had the same means with which to access this competitive marketplace and make choices based on needs, proximity, and the distinguishing features of the different schools. Since the prevailing powers of the flowered state (and for-profit educators) operate under the tenet that some children matter and some children don’t, this assertion is as fake as the teeth on the big smiling preacher on the billboard.

ken R

December 10th, 2010
3:28 pm

Skitty, right on.

Mick

December 10th, 2010
3:29 pm

All you anti-union people save your scribbling, florida public schools do not have strong unions except for miami, ft lauderdale, and palm beach. Outside of those counties, its very similar to georgia. The real question is what sane person what want to be a teacher in this regressive, hostile environment?

Doggone/GA

December 10th, 2010
3:29 pm

“Where will the Dems get their next generation of voters?”

From the ranks of former Republicans who finally realize they are being held up for suckers?

Skitty Fritty

December 10th, 2010
3:30 pm

The Mandarins:
So the only reason people enroll their children in public school today is money? If this is the answer then why wouldn’t you give every tax payer the opportunity to send their children to the best school of their choice? This would basically benefit the middle to lower economic class because the upper economic class utilizes private schools currently.

md

December 10th, 2010
3:31 pm

Bogus outrage……..with the vouchers comes providing their own transportation…….

I’d suspect there would be some changes, but for the most part nothing would change…..parents just don’t have the time nor money to do it themselves……

ATF

December 10th, 2010
3:31 pm

I don’t have kids in school, either. I don’t want my tax dollars going to privage schools, particularly private religious schools. Not because I mind religious education, but I do mind my tax dollars paying for it.

BADA BING

December 10th, 2010
3:32 pm

Mandarin…..why are you using your ‘Rs’ and ‘Ls’ correctly if you are Chinese?

Jay

December 10th, 2010
3:32 pm

Why hasn’t “competition’ made for-profit colleges a lot better than the state-supported and non-profit variety? Why are most of those for-profit schools delivering an inferior education at a higher cost, while reaping in huge profits?

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/08/04/gao-report-offers-a-hint-of-what-school-vouchers-would-do/

Moderate Line

December 10th, 2010
3:33 pm

In Florida, GOP moves to dismantle public schools
++++++++++
Here are some interesting facts about our Canadian neighbor who apparently according to Jay has already dismantle their public school systems.

Ontario has a Catholic School System which receives $20 million from taxation and receives federal funding.
http://www.cdsbeo.on.ca/Business/PDFs/2009-08-31_CDSBEO_FS.pdf

They have their own governing bodies or boards. Independent schools are eligible for provincial funding if they implement the Manitoba curriculum and meet a number of additional requirements.
http://www.edu.gov.mb.ca/k12/schools/gts.html

How has the non-seperation of church and state affected Canadan in the area of education?
How has the public funding of non-public schools affected Canada?
Has it resulted in dismantling of the Canadian educational system?

The Mandarins

December 10th, 2010
3:33 pm

Skitty Fritty – 1. Yes. 2. Because this would lead to smarter kids.

Skitty Fritty

December 10th, 2010
3:33 pm

The Mandarins:
Have you ever considered their is competition currently in school systems? We chose our house based on the school system and did not choose other houses based on the school system. Compeition is already in place and this would allow more consumers who cannot afford private schools currently to at least have the option. It doesn’t mean they will elect this option unless the public system where they live is not getting the job done for their children.

The Mandarins

December 10th, 2010
3:34 pm

Bada – JB insisted I improve my Eng…..lish.

ronald

December 10th, 2010
3:34 pm

“Although there are few details, such a program could dwarf the state’s existing voucher programs, which are limited to either low-income or disabled students…”

My question is why was there ever a program to begin with that only catered to low-income or disable students? Its just one more example of how the gov’t demonizes wealth and success in this country and I applaud Florida for extending the voucher program to ALL FLORIDIANS.

Mick

December 10th, 2010
3:34 pm

ken r

Hey you, I live here and rick scott saturated the airwaves with bogus commercials 24/7 and did not make himself available for tough questioning, hence this idea that was never hinted or uttered during the campaign. It’s ok though, because the people will have to hold them all accountable for idea’s that have no basis in reality.

md

December 10th, 2010
3:35 pm

janet…what in the world are you talking about?? They already pay for the schools via tax…..a voucher would be using the same money.

The Mandarins

December 10th, 2010
3:35 pm

Jay 3:32 – these are silly questions to ask. Why think about such things? The status quo and command and control government are the best solution….

extremerightwing

December 10th, 2010
3:36 pm

Seems that libs are always for choice, except when it comes to education.

Jay

December 10th, 2010
3:36 pm

Ronald, those programs were created by Republicans.

ken R

December 10th, 2010
3:38 pm

Jay, I may be mistaken but I believe that they are talking about K thru 12 grades, not College, where you are an adult and can make your own choices. Everyone knows how well the GOA serves us.

md

December 10th, 2010
3:38 pm

“I don’t want my tax dollars going to privage schools, particularly private religious schools. Not because I mind religious education, but I do mind my tax dollars paying for it.”

What happened to free choice?? What difference does it make what type of education one gets as long as they get one. Sounds like control to me.

How in the world can we teach them what “we” want them to know if they are going someplace else??

Skitty Fritty

December 10th, 2010
3:39 pm

Look at what our Presidents actually do with their own children if you think public schools are doing a good job. Why are their children in private schools? Thus, give everyone this opportunity via vouchers.
Actions always speak louder than intentions.

BlahBlahBlah

December 10th, 2010
3:40 pm

The Mandarins = my new favorite commenter.

Doggone/GA

December 10th, 2010
3:40 pm

“What happened to free choice??”

It’s still there. No one is stopping you from sending your child to any school you choose.

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 10th, 2010
3:41 pm

In my opinion, very few people would be able to send their kids to different schools, given proximity, logistical problems, etc. Mainly this would just subsidize private schools, for the few, most of whom are probably already using private schools. Almost sounds like somebody is trying to get a sweetheart deal for theirself.

Skitty Fritty

December 10th, 2010
3:42 pm

Doggone/GA:
I agree with you, so why do we pay any taxes for social programs? I say we only pay for national defense and free trade, great idea.

Doggone/GA

December 10th, 2010
3:42 pm

“Why are their children in private schools?”

Because the cost of protecting those children, and all the other children in the school, would be prohibitively expensive.

Jay

December 10th, 2010
3:42 pm

Yes, Ken R., they’re talking about K-12.

But explain to me how K-12 would be different. Why would the outcome for K-12 be different than it has been for colleges, where fraud and incompetence abound and lots of people are being cheated and left with huge loans and no way to repay them?

Explain the factors that would drive a different outcome in K-12.

md

December 10th, 2010
3:42 pm

“It’s still there. No one is stopping you from sending your child to any school you choose.”

Well aware of that….thank you very much…….the question was in context to his statement.

jm

December 10th, 2010
3:42 pm

My 2 cents: Vouchers should be available on a lottery basis in limited volumes initially. It would take many years, if not decades, to build up the private school sector to handle the public school volume. A big bang approach would be a disaster. Trying it in limited volumes provides 2 advantages. First, if phased in, there is time for the system to adapt. Second, the results from the initial lottery would help determine if this is a successful concept or not. All private schools would need to submit to the same state testing if they admit voucher students so that the quality of the schools and teaching can be measured.

I know, vouchers have been tried in other places and even big voucher advocates of become jaded on them. But the status quo is not acceptable…. and improving public schools through all means necessary should also be on the docket.

Mick

December 10th, 2010
3:43 pm

Before that scalawag jeb, arrived on the scene, florida was doing just fine in funding and progress. His agenda was everything against public schools. Who made him an expert? We have the fcat test, which measures student progress, however it is neither valid or reliable and has enriched jeb’s cronies in the private sector who administer the test. SAT has been testing for over fifty years and is proven to be reliable and valid, why did florida toss those tests overboard?

Doggone/GA

December 10th, 2010
3:43 pm

“so why do we pay any taxes for social programs?”

Because the alternative has been tried and found severly wanting.

Moderate Line

December 10th, 2010
3:44 pm

Jay

December 10th, 2010
3:32 pm
Jay

December 10th, 2010
3:32 pm
Why hasn’t “competition’ made for-profit colleges a lot better than the state-supported and non-profit variety? Why are most of those for-profit schools delivering an inferior education at a higher cost, while reaping in huge profits?

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/08/04/gao-report-offers-a-hint-of-what-school-vouchers-would-do/
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Ok. If your going to lump non-prfit schools with public schools why can’t non-prfit schools receive public funding?

Why is it OK for Harvard to receive funding from the government for research projects but post-collegiate non-profit schools can’t receive funding from the government.

Oh. I forgot many people in congress and the Supreme Court went to Ivy league schools.

Joe Public

December 10th, 2010
3:44 pm

I didn’t get a good education so why should I care about my kids getting a good education! It was good enough for me so it’s good enough for my kids. Education is overrated!

ken R

December 10th, 2010
3:44 pm

Mick, please show me one Politican who had any tough questioning, it’s not my fault that you voters weren’t smart enough to elect someone else.
The Dems never really backed their candidate because if they did then they would have filled the airwaves proving this man wrong and they would have given their candidate 75 Million also.

You lost, get over it.

BlahBlahBlah

December 10th, 2010
3:44 pm

This approach seems to work in Finland, who consistently whups our tail educationally. If it works for them, why is it automatically such a bad idea for us?

jm

December 10th, 2010
3:44 pm

Doggone 3:42 – not so. It is absolutely about the quality of education….

md

December 10th, 2010
3:44 pm

“where fraud and incompetence abound and lots of people are being cheated and left with huge loans and no way to repay them?”

And exactly which system are we referring to here?? Pretty much sounds like both to me……..

JohnnyReb

December 10th, 2010
3:44 pm

I hope Florida goes for it and Georgia is right behind. Parents should be able to put their kids in the school of their choice without suffering monetary penalty. Such a system would make teachers/schools competitive and the outcome would be nothing but good.

re, Bush Tax Cuts and Democratic shenanigans. I just got off the phone urging Chambliss, Iskason, and Scott to scuttle the current proposal and to let the new Congress address in January. The Democrats, and some of the old guard Repubs aren’t happy unless they put in earmarks. Money for ethenol, windfarms and NASCAR. Give me a break. Did no one hear the mid-term roar but the voters?

MB

December 10th, 2010
3:44 pm

Won’t be attending the Friday evening music fest, so here’s mine.

From Nigeria to Dick Cheney, a little Bon Jovi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvCvsRp5ho

jm

December 10th, 2010
3:47 pm

Doggone 3:42 – follow up. Obama’s kids went to private school in Chicago also. Hypocrisy? You decide.

Toby

December 10th, 2010
3:48 pm

Sure, as long as you can get a waiver for the football players.

The Fallen

December 10th, 2010
3:49 pm

Jay said-

Why hasn’t “competition’ made for-profit colleges a lot better than the state-supported and non-profit variety? Why are most of those for-profit schools delivering an inferior education at a higher cost, while reaping in huge profits?

“Inferior education” is arbitrary Jay and you know it. Reaping in profits is a direct result of demand and the willingness of a consumer and a business hiring that consumer to pay for the education received at said schools. Elasticity. The other point is most college students want to be there and want to be educated. That cannot be said for all high school students, who coincidentally, are not directly footing the bill.

jm

December 10th, 2010
3:50 pm

JohnnyReb 3:44 – you’d see the market crash between now and then. Not a good idea IMHO

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 10th, 2010
3:50 pm

The Mandarins was educated in the US on a student visa, but has overstayed his welcome LOL

Where the hell is the INS when you need them

Peadawg

December 10th, 2010
3:50 pm

” that he wanted to “give every child in the state every opportunity that you’ve had, to make sure that you go to whatever school you want to.” In a interview later with the St. Petersburg Times, he said he wants a program that allows parents to use state education dollars at the school of their choice.”

I don’t see what’s wrong w/ this…why would this destroy the public school system? Maybe I’m just not understanding it….

jm

December 10th, 2010
3:52 pm

JAY – RE non-profit colleges, for profit colleges, public / private education. There is no problem with for profit and private education PROVIDED that the performance of the schools are MEASURED by the state IF they receive voucher subsidies, AND as long as FAILING schools were shut down (or if performance was lacking, end the voucher subsidies).

Seems this would work just fine if crafted the right way….

Doggone/GA

December 10th, 2010
3:53 pm

“not so”

“The Obama daughters bring with them a number of security and privacy concerns that come with being part of the new first family — and the school they’ve selected is positioned to appropriately accommodate that.”"

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/11/obamas-pick-sid.html

Mick

December 10th, 2010
3:53 pm

ken r

That’s something I can agree with you on; the dem alex sink ran a piss poor campaign in my opinion. Still, the reality of florida politics is this: Jeb bush is a shadow governor who pulls the strings concerning how the florida republican legislature writes its education bills. Rick scott is mostly irrelevant since their is a repub veto proof majority. The question is, how far will they go? Stay tuned..

Moderate Line

December 10th, 2010
3:54 pm

Jay

December 10th, 2010
3:32 pm
Why hasn’t “competition’ made for-profit colleges a lot better than the state-supported and non-profit variety? Why are most of those for-profit schools delivering an inferior education at a higher cost, while reaping in huge profits?

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/08/04/gao-report-offers-a-hint-of-what-school-vouchers-would-do/

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Because the one advantage public schools and non-profits have is they receive more public financing.

Harvard’s donation to the President Obama
Harvard University $854,747

Relative to businesses, the federal government is subsidizing Harvard’s investment fund.

In addition, Harvard does not pay real-estate taxes. Instead, it makes voluntary payments in lieu of taxes. Last year, for all of Harvard’s property, it paid $1.9 million in lieu of taxes to the City of Boston. Boston officials estimate these payments would be 10 times as large if Harvard paid real-estate taxes.

As a nonprofit, Harvard also benefits from tax-deductible donations and a significant amount of federal grant money. Last year, Harvard received $651 million in donations.

Harvard received $535 million in federal grants in fiscal year 2008 that accounted for 82 percent of Harvard’s research revenue.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2009/5/21/harvards-role-as-a-nonprofit-harvard/

md

December 10th, 2010
3:54 pm

It isn’t as if the voucher is going to cover the entire tuition at all private schools……..I think Jay needed a topic and this one sounded like a good one to stir the pot………

ken R

December 10th, 2010
3:54 pm

Jay, you are correct, most Colleges are ripping of their students, factors are classroom sizes of 100 or more to watch a film while the Pompous Professor isn’t even there. They pay enormous sums of money to read these same Professors books and then get nothing for them after 1 year.
Most of these Professors have never had a job in the real World and yet make very good money for very little work, most of the work is done by their Aids. The list goes on & on.

Why not take a small segment of one community and try Vouchers, they have worked in a lot of States, and yes, I’m sure some of them have failed.

Everyone complains about our schools, well it’s time that someone gets off their butts and does something about, instead of the ’same old same old’

The Mandarins

December 10th, 2010
3:54 pm

Common Sense 3:50 – We run China from Beijing. We have internet service here silly. We have good schools in Shanghai, no need to send our kids to stupid US schools. Talk about dumb….

Doggone/GA

December 10th, 2010
3:54 pm

“Hypocrisy? You decide”

Well, hypocrisy? Someone here asked where was freedom of choice, and now you’re going to castigate the Obama’s bacause they USED their freedom of choice?

JohnnyReb

December 10th, 2010
3:55 pm

@jm – please explain your 3:50 remarks on my post? I got into this late and have not read the previous posts. If there is one that explains, point me there. Thanks

BADA BING

December 10th, 2010
3:55 pm

Mandarin……When you tell people you drive a Cadi….llac, do they think you have an eye problem?

ATL Guy

December 10th, 2010
3:56 pm

I think over the next two years, the Republicans are going to miscalculate so badly that they will be haunted by their foolishness for a very long time to come. If they dismantle the public education system, they will forever become a minority party with no way out of the wilderness due to the chaos that they’ll leave behind.

jm

December 10th, 2010
3:56 pm

Doggone 3:53 – ah ok. So why the Chicago private schools? Dude, facts are facts. Face them. They don’t want to send their kids to public schools in DC because most of the stink to high heaven….

I’m sure security was part of the reason. But that’s always workable. The REAL clear fundamental reason is they wanted their kids to get the best education possible. In a private school….

@@

December 10th, 2010
3:57 pm

I think left-wingers oughta listen to their president on this one.

WaPO–President Obama reopened Monday what is often a sore subject in Washington, saying that his daughters could not obtain from D.C. public schools the academic experience they receive at the private Sidwell Friends School.

But the city, accustomed to the mantra that its schools need reform, seemed to view the judgment as self-evident.

Obama made his comments on NBC’s “Today” show in response to a woman who asked whether Malia and Sasha Obama “would get the same kind of education at a D.C. public school” that they would get at the D.C. private school that has educated generations of the city’s elite.

“I’ll be blunt with you: The answer is no, right now,” Obama said. D.C. public schools “are struggling,” he said, but they “have made some important strides over the last several years to move in the direction of reform. There are some terrific individual schools in the D.C. system.”

Don’t know how D.C. schools are faring now, but two years ago they weren’t up to snuff, academically, so he and Michelle got to choose for their girls.

Why not everyone?

md

December 10th, 2010
3:57 pm

The program may even be a blessing in disguise………..instead of having to fund new infrastructure (schools) to keep up with the population, shifting some of the kids to already in place private schools would actually be saving money for the school system, and do away with the long term maintenance costs to boot.