Bernie Sanders goes old school

I suspect Bernie Sanders has made himself into a star.

Yes, his eight-and-a-half-hour speech was a stunt. But it seemed to be a stunt born out of sincere passion. Liberals angry at the lack of backbone shown by Obama and other Democrats in Washington are rallying to the sight of an elderly man putting on a spirited marathon saying things not often heard in the national debate.

Nine hours of speaking creates a lot of soundbites, many of which will be dissected over and over again. Politifact has already taken a look at this Sanders’ claim:

“Mr. President, in the year 2007, the top 1 percent of all income earners in the United States made 23.5 percent of all income,” Sanders said. “The top 1 percent earned 23.5 percent of all income–more than the entire bottom 50 percent.”

Politifact’s conclusion:

“So, we’re left with three studies that vary slightly but which all point in the same general direction — showing the top 1 percent earning between 21.4 and 23.5 percent of the national income in 2007. The studies also show that this share exceeds what the entire bottom 50 percent of the United States earns. So we rate Sanders’ statement True.”


A real-life Jefferson Smith.

UPDATE: Judging from some of the comments, Senator Sanders seems to gotten a few folks a mite excited, hasn’t he?

I don’t agree with all he has to say, but I do agree with a lot of it. I also get a kick out of people on this blog and elsewhere who seem to be scandalized that such things have been said in this country.

Sanders makes a helluva lot more sense and hews much closer to reality and truth than such shining stars on the right as Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Jim DeMint, Michele Bachman and a whole raft of others who have been spewing rhetorical nonsense for so long that it has become an accepted part of the political environment.

And that’s a fact.

992 comments Add your comment

LC

December 10th, 2010
7:45 pm

Go get ‘em, Bernie!

Del

December 10th, 2010
7:45 pm

Bernie Sanders a star I’d say more an old fool.

ty webb

December 10th, 2010
7:53 pm

Can you give what share of the tax burden they paid, Jay? I’m thinking it might be higher than 21%.

ty webb

December 10th, 2010
7:54 pm

sorry, meant “23%”.

ty webb

December 10th, 2010
7:56 pm

And why do I picture Jay wearing his Che Guevara t-shirt as he type this crap?

Adam

December 10th, 2010
7:58 pm

That was awesome.

Jack

December 10th, 2010
8:01 pm

Maybe we ought to let the bottom 50 percent of the wage earners run the nation’s economy.

Moderate Line

December 10th, 2010
8:17 pm

If taxes go up everyones taxes should go up. Not just the top 1%. Why should only the top 1% have to make a sacrifice?

David

December 10th, 2010
8:32 pm

The tax cut was temporary. It was meant to expired. It should expire. Bernie Sanders is a hero of the people. We need more like him.

josef nix

December 10th, 2010
8:32 pm

This will be here tomorrow, downstairs now….

But way to go Bernie…!!! That’s what a filibuster is SUPPOSED to be!

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
9:04 pm

And why do I picture ty wearing his Michael Milkin t-shirt as he types his crap?

Doggone/GA

December 10th, 2010
9:12 pm

“Why should only the top 1% have to make a sacrifice?”

Because they can afford it. Making a sacrifice, to them, won’t mean losing their homes – for example. They didn’t have to sacrifice while we started two wars – remember “go shopping”? Well the piper is playing and it’s time for them to pay.

Dusty

December 10th, 2010
9:18 pm

Ho hum…We finally get a compromise in Washington with both sides getting less than they wanted but moving out of total stagnation.
.
So what happens? Democrats act like someone stole their candy and they are going to stomp their feet. That’s what.

Obama was supposed to be their Santa Claus. Turns out he’s Rudolph just pulling a load.

Poor Bernie Sanders. I think he was sincere but….he looked like an old guy stuck in a time warp of New England stickiness. No progress. Just stuck. Kinda like Bookman. Stuck in the old liberal ways and aint nevah gonna surrender (his paycheck)!!! At least Sanders seemed honestly motivated..

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 10th, 2010
9:24 pm

Why is it that liberals are so rabidly desperate to raise taxes on the “wealthiest two percent”?

If it’s because they care so much about reducing the deficit, you would think they could come up with say $10 billion in annual budget cuts…can you name them?

Del

December 10th, 2010
9:27 pm

So we have Bernie Sanders the self avowed socialist that he is being lifted up as a hero on Jay’s blog and some of these dips wondering what far-left means. Yeah right.

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
9:29 pm

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 10th, 2010
9:31 pm

Jack: Maybe we ought to let the bottom 50 percent of the wage earners run the nation’s economy.
————–

So they can run it into the ditch, as they’ve done with their own lives? No thanks!

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 10th, 2010
9:32 pm

OK, so we see that Kamchak can’t or won’t answer the question. Still stuck in the past.

Loser.

Del

December 10th, 2010
9:36 pm

Christian charities do far more than the federal government in addressing the needs of the poor. The far-left does essentially nothing in comparison except to cry out for income distribution without putting their dollars where their mouths are but they think their lemming mentalities solve all of our problems. Obama was correct when he said sanctimony.

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
9:42 pm

OK, so we see that Kamchak can’t or won’t answer the question.

Puh-leeze.

Spare me the crocodile tears over a question that only recently got your thong all atwist.

Dusty

December 10th, 2010
9:44 pm

Shhh Lil’ Barry, 9:32

Don’t tell Kamchak that Cheney is out of office and Reagan is dead. MIght get him all torn up…nobody to quote and all that.

Tthere’s not a liberal around our Kammie wants to quote. aint it a shame…..

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 10th, 2010
9:47 pm

It’s a simple question; perhaps one of the liberal regulars would care to answer it. Why do liberals so desperately want to raise taxes on the highest income earners?

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
9:48 pm

Don’t tell Kamchak that Cheney is out of office and Reagan is dead.

When you start calling out others for bringing up Carter and Clinton, you will begin to have a point.

But until then….

Del

December 10th, 2010
9:50 pm

The liberal left has never looked so much as fools as they’re looking now, so hung up on hating the achievers in this country that they refuse to do what needs to be done at this critical time.

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 10th, 2010
9:52 pm

You know damn well that any additional revenue they can confiscate by whatever means is simply going to be spent. Not a dime of it will go to deficit reduction.

josef nix

December 10th, 2010
9:53 pm

L’l Barry

“It’s a simple question; perhaps one of the liberal regulars would care to answer it. Why do liberals so desperately want to raise taxes on the highest income earners?”

I’ll go for it…because they have profitted most from the profligate economic insanity of the last 40 years or so and it’s time to pay to piper and replenish the public coffer…they can best afford it…

Del

December 10th, 2010
9:55 pm

The only thing that Democrats are committed to is vote pandering to create voting blocks that keep their worthless butts in office.

Mick

December 10th, 2010
9:55 pm

Fools – Bernie sanders is an american hero and patriot, you can’t handle the truth because that is what he speaks. This compromise will cost an estimated 850 billion. Wasn’t the whole debate before this election runaway spending? Let all the damn bush tax cuts expire and lets start paying off the bills. In the meantime, strengthen social security the last bastion of hope for the millions who PAID into it and let them get their return. A promise made should be a promise kept…

Paulo977

December 10th, 2010
9:56 pm

Del
@9:50pm
“Hating achievers “?????….Hmmmmmm who are these achievers that they are supposed to hate??

Dusty

December 10th, 2010
9:59 pm

Del,

Christian charites do a LOT!! According to all sources, they are really having a tough time this year. Donations are down and so many people are calling on them for help. Lotsa people having a bad year.

Del

December 10th, 2010
10:04 pm

josef,

You can only milk the golden cow for so long until it finally dies. When you have this much disparity in tax revenues common sense alone tell you we’re in deep trouble. You don’t need to be an economist to understand that fact and in fact the economists in this country sure were asleep at the switch or didn’t really know crap about economics to begin with or we wouldn’t be in this condition.

Mick

December 10th, 2010
10:04 pm

dusty

You got that right, this a tough year and we the people are the gov’t. Why in hell’s creation do people defend the rich? I guess having your own personal jets, yachts, multiple mansions, they are delighted that people of the almost extinct middle class will fight your battles for less taxes when in reality, it’s inconsequential to them…really…think about it.

Andrew

December 10th, 2010
10:05 pm

I think it’s safe to say that Mr.Sanders has said what any rational person has been thinking.
Kudos to you, Sanders.

Sid Farcas

December 10th, 2010
10:08 pm

Bernie Sanders is an admitted socialist Book Man and you are proud of his passion? You and Tucker are f*cking liberal hacks. You lost and now you are glorifying a socialist. You are a joke.

Mick

December 10th, 2010
10:10 pm

sid farc

Get off your high horse and take a good long look in the mirror, which label are YOU??

Del

December 10th, 2010
10:13 pm

mick, who in the hell will pay off all the bills the top 2%, the next 5% or the next 10%. you’ll have to come up with a formula better than that because it just has not worked. We better get back to supply side and pray it can still work because your guys have proven that they don’t have the answers.

Sid Farcas

December 10th, 2010
10:15 pm

I am for the Obama tax cuts slap nut, what label are you?

Dusty

December 10th, 2010
10:16 pm

JOSEF,

Where in the world does out constitution say we must equalize everybody’s money? It says we are created equal. That’s it. Then we have independence to do with what we are given.

Don’t start with” Aren’t you a Christian?” Yes, I am. Christ did not say or demand that all money be given equally or by demand. He wanted us to give from the heart, not by law. There is a difference. The widow’s mite was just as important to him as anybody’s gift. She had the heart to give her mite which was all she had. ..

Del

December 10th, 2010
10:18 pm

Dusty, of course they’re having a tough time because the economy hurts us all but none the less community based charities that very much include the churches have been doing a far better job than the Fed in feeding the hungry and providing a Christmas for the poor. Unfortunately, that’s an unreported fact.

RW-(the original)

December 10th, 2010
10:20 pm

“The top 1 percent earned 23.5 percent of all income–more than the entire bottom 50 percent.”

The top 1% pays more of a share of federal income taxes than the entire bottom 90% too.

tiddlebug

December 10th, 2010
10:22 pm

Someone said that we should figure out a way to reduce spending…
I have some ideas.
1) reduce congressional salaries and benefits. Let them keep their health care and business expenditures, but reduce their overall salaries.
2) increase taxes on companies that have outsourced jobs. also, give larger tax breaks on any country that brings outsourced jobs back, or creates jobs here in America.
3) give tax incentives to businesses like health care, agriculture, and education. Granted, this will not generate or save quick money, but it WILL help our country in the long run. Enough quick fixes. Lets make some REAL investments in our future.
4) rethink our ‘war on drugs’ (especially marijuana.) we spend billions of dollars every year on drug prohibition. Hard drugs like cocaine and heroin are classified as “schedule 2 drugs” while relatively harmless drugs like marijuana are “schedule 1″ (which means it is more serious and has NO medical uses.) If marijuana was legalized, regulated, and yes stoners-taxed, we would save billions a year in prohibition, generate millions a year in tax revenue, reduce alcohol consumption (a much more deadly and addictive substance) and reduce overall crime and power from the black market aspect.
Of course to do this, we’d have to get some senators on board as well. (THAT’S the hard part…)

Rudolph

December 10th, 2010
10:22 pm

Jay Bookman and Bernie Sanders are both idiots!!

Sid Farcas

December 10th, 2010
10:26 pm

And with Rudolph’s comment, which sums it all up, what more has to be said?

tiddlebug

December 10th, 2010
10:26 pm

Why do people always think that higher taxes are supposed to “punish” the wealthy? It has nothing to do with punishment. It has everything to do with necessity.
The fact that the wealthy can most afford an increase of taxes means they are the ones that should be paying them. That’s part of living in a civilized society.
The fact that the wealthy are (mostly) responsible for our current situation also should suggest that they are the ones that need to clean it up.
Nobody is trying to PUNISH anyone.
I don’t like taxes either, but I realize I have to pay them for the privilege of living in a civilized society.

Dusty

December 10th, 2010
10:27 pm

Mick,

I”m sorry but I don’t believe we have the right to take anybody’s money and give it to somebody else. Most rich people have made their money by honest integrity and hardwork. Some received it through inheitance but still , somebody in their family worked hard and diligently to make it.

I think our “freedom” is shot to pieces when we start acting like bandits to make ends meet. Rich people contribute much to society and although we may think so, their lives don’t seem any “smoother” than the average person. Neverytheless, I still say it is their money . To raise only their tax rates is plain old thievery based on envy.

Del

December 10th, 2010
10:27 pm

Rudolph,

I don’t think Jay’s an idiot but Bernie Sanders sure as hell is. Of course as the old saying goes, “birds of feather, flock together.”

MrReality

December 10th, 2010
10:31 pm

Bernie Sanders is everything that is wrong with this country. An old white man who has spent so much time feeding at the public trough that he only knows the ways of force as a means to move society. He knows nothing of volunteerism, mutual exchange, win-win business transactions or the inherent way that the marketplace raises everyone up when free exchange can happen without ANY involvement by the oppressive state.

Ron Paul is the only man in congress speaking any common sense.

Mick

December 10th, 2010
10:31 pm

dusty

What in tar nation do you mean “give it to somebody else”? We the people have a huge deficit and the rich benefit the most by the full faith and credit of the U.S. gov’t they SHOULD pay the most – they can AFFORD it..Don’t you get that???????????

Del

December 10th, 2010
10:32 pm

tiddlebug, if you continue to penalize financial achievement you will begin to have fewer achievers and guess where that leads.

Mick

December 10th, 2010
10:34 pm

mr. reality

Ron paul is cool – see how he defends wiki leaks? Bernie sanders has passion for he people, the people of this great country who have taken a shellacking, not the rich, in fact they have profitted, have you?????

RW-(the original)

December 10th, 2010
10:36 pm

LydiasDad

December 10th, 2010
10:39 pm

Communism. That’s his passion.

Mick

December 10th, 2010
10:40 pm

del

I don’t know you personally but I think that you are a honorable, good man. Even if my thinking is 360 degree’s opposite, I’ll listen to what you have to say, process it and agree or disagree. I have many very wealthy friends and money to them is not like it is for you or me. They can blow five hundred, a thousand, tens of thousands in one night!!!! They still make more money than you and I can ever dream of. Obviously, this is not a broad stroke but the principle is the same; if you have more money than you know what to do with, pay more taxes……………………………….

ryan

December 10th, 2010
10:42 pm

@mick

people earning $250k/yr don’t have private jets ;)

@tiddlebug

1) Sure, but this wouldn’t make a meaningful difference in the budget, other than maybe showing the commitment of Congress to sacrifice something themselves. The money is nothing.

2) Maybe a little, but it’s not wise go overboard with it, don’t want to inflate the cost of labor and make our products obsolete internationally (and prices inflated for ourselves buying them compared to buying cheaper products from other countries). It’s certainly bad in the long term if it’s excessive.

3) We do. I don’t think money is the issue with our educational problems though. All other things held constant, the amount of money certain schools districts receive appear to make little difference in performance. (Crude numbers comparing rich districts and poor districts are not very applicable because wealth of districts tends to correlate with other factors that really harms education — crime, stable homelives, etc.)

4) How many billions? Sounds marginal also, but I guess every little bit helps. And I think the claim that it would reduce alcohol consumption is rather unsupported.

Dubya

December 10th, 2010
10:43 pm

A little Global Warming and right now we ARE the new Banana Republic… sold out to new owners as indentured servants. Bought me an inexpensive (US Built) 3/2 up the bay coast from Panama City (No… not the one on our foreclosed peninsula.) Better health care, US $ economy, HUGE discounts to seniors, habla a little to get by, coastal climate with central air only a few days, no FOX/Idiots. Bye, y’all. Won’t be paying off that upside down bondage paper after all… If you are one of the wounded, it was self inflicted by the life you led and the beliefs you kept. Bernie is just trying to point out the truth about your life on the plantation. Get busy kickin’ or get busy pickin’.

James

December 10th, 2010
10:45 pm

The top 1% may have made 23% of the total income but paid over 38% of the Federal Income Taxes collected in 2008. Fair?

And if you have said, “They should pay it, because they can” then welcome to the Bernie Sanders from each according to his ability, to each according to his need socialism club.

Dusty

December 10th, 2010
10:47 pm

RW, 10:20

Thank you for those statistics. I’m glad it was reported as “earned”. Truly amazing how much the rich actually pay in taxes.

PS..I bought a bottle of Manichevitz today to go with the fruitcake. Ah…deck the halls with boughs of holy fallala la and sing a song for Christmas cheer! Manichevitz & fruitcake… one of our blessings.!!

Martin Williams

December 10th, 2010
10:49 pm

We all keep calling it this Great Country. Believe me fellow Americans, if the GOP continue this game, this will NOT be a great counrty very soon. I am not about 20-50 years, less than that. GOP stands for Greedy Old People. People, is there any any GOP politician in the United State Senate/Congress that is not a millionaire? I cannot name one. I know few Dems are big time millionaires too. For fact, all GOP senators are millionaires and we need more tax cuts and continue with the several wars we are in as a nation. What goes up comes down and that includes great nations.

ryan

December 10th, 2010
10:49 pm

@mick

If you’re 360 degrees from him, you’d be pointing in the same direction! Just teasing…

If you’re making $250k/yr, you’d end up with about $125k after taxes (though I know folks in the range that pay 60%+ of income in taxes all-told when you add federal/state/local/property taxes.) Maybe you can throw away money if you’re way above there, but on that kind of budget, you’re not going to want to spend $1k in a night. These taxes in question affect people at this level as well.

Mick

December 10th, 2010
10:50 pm

james

Another who likes to carry the jockstraps of the rich….and they love you for it…hope you get a chance to join the club…bernie sanders is filibustering the old fashioned way, the correct way because of his passion and beliefs. Mitch “just say no for everything except for his but buddies the rich” mcconnell – loser with no soul.

Mick

December 10th, 2010
10:52 pm

ryan

Yeah, had a few and I don’t drink, so make that a 180, thanks. If you notice I’m not talking about 250k but rather the big boys club…

Ed

December 10th, 2010
10:53 pm

Yes! Finally a voice of reason for working folks!

We The People don’t want to continue the Bush Tax Cuts for the richest 1-2%. We want the Millionaires and Billionaires to pay their fair share of taxes since they are not suffering a bit in this economy!

Working folks will keep a tax cut to help them stay on their feet.That is the American Way! Not some wealthy con-game against the working class!

Thank you Sen. Sanders! You have our support… we will be calling our Senators and Representatives, as well as President Obama to drop this “compromise”!

ryan

December 10th, 2010
10:55 pm

@martin

It’s completely irrelevant, but the disparity between Republican and Democrat in the top 50 most wealthy Congress members is quite small

http://www.rollcall.com/features/Guide-to-Congress_2008/guide/-28506-1.html

ryan

December 10th, 2010
10:56 pm

@mick

I see, but my point is that the “big boys” and the ~250k crowd aren’t being differentiated here.

RW-(the original)

December 10th, 2010
10:59 pm

Dusty,

Could I pour a bottle of rum into the fruitcake and then just filter it into a glass?

Josef Stalin

December 10th, 2010
10:59 pm

Da, mein brudder Jay! Bernie ist one big, gorgeous SOCIALIST! Yeah, ve need more of dem!
Jay, you are Socialist, right? I mean you write like a socialist therefore you must be one, and, and, and, you write for the lead socialist rag in the South, The Atlanta Urinal Constipation, right?
Really, poor Bernie…just like poor hippies – ignored and irrelevant at best nowadays.

Mick

December 10th, 2010
10:59 pm

Kamchak

December 10th, 2010
11:02 pm

…from each according to his ability, to each according to his need socialism club.

Just an observation, but the “socialism/socialist” card might have more effect if you silly cons didn’t play it…Every. Freakin’. Day.

RW-(the original)

December 10th, 2010
11:02 pm

Ed,

I doubt you’ll care but the top 1% starts well below a million. Below a half million even.

Poor Boy from Alabama

December 10th, 2010
11:02 pm

Ty Webb @ 7:53, you asked: Can you give what share of the tax burden they paid, Jay? I’m thinking it might be higher than 21%.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Top 1% of income earners paid 29.5% of all federal taxes in 2007. That number includes individual income taxes, social insurance taxes, corporate taxes and excise taxes. The figure is 39.5% for individual income taxes only.

The CBO income shares are different than that ones quoted by Jay’s source. According to the CBO, the Top 1% accounted for 19.4% of all pre-tax income and 17.1% of all after-tax income.

Use this link and go to Table 1, page 6 if you want to learn more:

http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/tax/2010/AverageFedTaxRates2007.pdf

The Tax Foundation has done a similar analysis for 2008. Their starting point is Adjusted Gross Income (AGI). According to the Tax Foundation, the Top 1% accounted for 20.00% of AGI and 38.02% of individual income taxes.

Use this link and go to Table 1 if you want to learn more:

http://taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

I’m just a poor boy from Alabama, but those numbers tell me that the current tax code is “progressive” by any reasonable definition of the term.

Ed

December 10th, 2010
11:04 pm

RW – Are you kidding? Get your facts straight!
Are you serious about your statement or a paid shill here to muddy the waters?

Gordon

December 10th, 2010
11:05 pm

“Because they can afford it.”

From each according…to each according…

Let’s get the rich people to pay for things we can’t afford. What’s going to happen once we’ve taxed the rich beyond all reason and we find out that still isn’t enough to satisfy our insatiable need to spend?

RW-(the original)

December 10th, 2010
11:06 pm

Get your facts straight!

Ed,

My chart at the top of this page shows that in 2006 the top 1% started at $388K or so.

ken R

December 10th, 2010
11:07 pm

To someone who makes $8.00 an hour theres a good posability that most of you on here look rich to them, is it ok if they take your money?

Just askin, Sport!

Ed

December 10th, 2010
11:07 pm

RW -My apologies. I didn’t mean to come off so harsh. There may be a difference between income and net worth we are talking here. I am certainly not saying that a Millionaire means making a million dollars income per year.

Del

December 10th, 2010
11:07 pm

mick,
I like to think of myself as semi retired, however the truth is now I’ m more retired than semi retired. True for me given the economy and not much high demand for my skills. During my career I was fortunate enough to earn an upper middle class income, which of course isn’t in the so called rich category. None the less I appreciate the fact that wealth regardless of how much, isn’t secured forever for many reasons because those who have it today can lose it tomorrow.This is particularly true among the risk takers who have created most of the jobs in this country. A society who only looks at this segment for financial support without supporting it, is doomed to failure and that’s been a proven fact throughout history. Socialism hasn’t worked anywhere and certainly won’t work in this country.

Ed

December 10th, 2010
11:10 pm

My feelings, and that of many in this country who are hurting to make ends meet is:
“If you are making over $250K income per year… suck it up and pay your taxes so our children don’t have to pay off your deficit or suffer program cuts.”
There are serious hurt out there my friend. It is inhuman not to address it. Not Christian at all.
Those of us making less than $100K, we are making ends meet and appreciate a continuation of our tax breaks.
Those making less than $35 should pay no taxes.
Fair? I think so.

RW-(the original)

December 10th, 2010
11:13 pm

Ed,

No problem.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 10th, 2010
11:14 pm

the taxes were cut in 2003 and how many jobs have left the country since then?

So with that reasoning if we cut taxes more how many more jobs will leave?

Corporate taxes could be cut to 0% and probably even more jobs will leave.

Why? Because companies have no incentive to keep jobs or penalities for offshoring jobs.

I say give companies an incentive to create jobs, If they don’t tax penalities should be used.

And anyone that doesn’t own a company or is in a position to create jobs gets a tax cut. Let them put their money where their mouth is this time around, not like the last 7 years of tax cuts but no jobs.

BADA BING

December 10th, 2010
11:14 pm

Don’t agree with his politics, but he makes some good chicken !

Dusty

December 10th, 2010
11:15 pm

Aww come on.. We don’t need banks of any kind. Just put EVERYBODY’S MONEY in one big govenrment pot and let “them” distribute money FAIRLY. Then there wil be neither rich nor poor.

For those that like it that way, try Venezuela, Cuba, Russia or China. Sounds like you would be very happy there. ME? I’m happy right here, thank you. Finest country in the world…the USA.

Now I am off to bed to dream of lollipops and lovely lines of Christmas as said by Tiny Tim. God bless you one and all. …… Goodnight….

RW-(the original)

December 10th, 2010
11:19 pm

I need a ruling here. A customer just emailed and said they would be calling for me to update some software code first thing tomorrow morning. When I asked when that was they said about 8AM. Isn’t first thing about 10:30 or 11?

And maybe 12 since it’s Saturday?

Del

December 10th, 2010
11:20 pm

Well have to sign off…please include Darkhorse 3rd. Battalion 5th. Marines in your prayers for our troops. The Darkhorse Battalion’s area of responsibility is the Sangin district of Helmand Province Afghanistan where they’re assaults on Taliban strongholds have inflicted heavy casualties on the enemy, however the Battalion has suffered casualties. One rifle company lost 9 marines in four days. This is the former Brit A.O.R. where they suffered one third of their total KIA’s in country. Taps

Gordon

December 10th, 2010
11:21 pm

“If you are making over $250K income per year… suck it up and pay your taxes so our children don’t have to pay off your deficit or suffer program cuts.”

Why does the deficit belong to people making over $250K?

ken R

December 10th, 2010
11:23 pm

Ed, I and my Wife combined never made anywhere near 250k and I feel that everyone should pay a fair tax. If you benefit from the perks that our country offers you then you should pay something, regardless of income, unless you are at the poverty level.

By the way, do you think that the people who make 250k a year started there? or do you think that maybe, just maybe they got an education and worker their asses off or risked everything that they had to start a business and succeded??????

Dusty

December 10th, 2010
11:23 pm

and to you, RW, NO RUMMY DUM DUM. Only Manichevitz, nectar of the gods.. You are not going to ruin MY fruitcake. ho ho…. See ya in the cold cold sunshine of tomorrow!! Brrrr…….

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 10th, 2010
11:24 pm

RW- it really depends on what they need to get done after you update their code.

I have had customers NEED the code as early as 7am on a weekend because they had the users coming in early so that they could leave by lunch on Sat.

Mary Elizabeth

December 10th, 2010
11:24 pm

Thank God for Bernie Sanders. He called the “huge tax cuts” for the wealthy “absurd.” I would say even more. I would say that what is happening to our nation regarding the worship of money is “obscene.”
Calling Sanders by labels such as “Socialist” only diffuses understanding the problems our nation is facting. Forget labels. He is “spot on” in identifying our national problems and what is happening, by design, to the shrinking of the Middle Class in America. I knew this would happen when I read Kitty Kelly’s book “The Family” about the Bush dynasty about a decade ago and their glorification of the upper classes for generations. Kelly was so honest and direct that the power people would not let her go on “Larry King Live” to publicize that book. Please read it.
It seems that Republicans are no longer “conservative;” they have become, in fact, a radical element in our nation, They want to privatize everything to an extreme, including public schools. They want to change the Constitution to give states more power in relation to the federal government, and they want to continue to stack the political deck in favor of the most wealthy in this nation at the expense of the Middle Class.

We must see what is going on and speak against this continuing or we will not recognize America in 10 years. For labels, just look at what is happening straight on.

To me, what is happening to our nation is not only sad – it is immoral.

Mary Elizabeth

December 10th, 2010
11:27 pm

That should have read: “Forget labels, just look at what is happening straight on.” Typo. Sorry.

Ed

December 10th, 2010
11:29 pm

This “Compromise” as the good Senator Sanders pointed out, is filled with right-wing giveaways that further add to our deficit.

For what? So the rich can keep more money, so Social Security can be underfunded, so the Billionaires can pay less in estate taxes when they die and so preserve their dynasty to spoiled brats who can’t park their Bentley’s straight much less miss that money.

All the while, Senior Citizens are splitting prescription pills because they can’t afford to buy medicine and food at the same time. That is immoral. It is UnAmerican! I refuse to see this kind of greed-thievery continue from the top down without standing up for our country’s founding principles.

Don’t you see? The Bush Tax Break is not just a give-away to the rich and super-rich. It has become a Take-Away from the Middle-Class and our future generations!

That ends now.

RW-(the original)

December 10th, 2010
11:29 pm

CSivC,

But you confuse things even more. Isn’t lunch on Saturday around 5ish?

:-)

/I’ll be fine in the AM now that Dusty has taken away my fruitcake and I no longer face the prospect of having to drown it in Rum.

The Thin Guy

December 10th, 2010
11:33 pm

Hitler and Jim Jones had lots of passion. And both were left-wing socialists cretins just like the old fool from Vermont. Won’t buy their Teddy Bears, maple syrup, or shop at their Old Country Store. Can’t we give that excuse for a state to Canada? That way we could get rid of both the only self-confessed socialist in congress and Senator Depends.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 10th, 2010
11:36 pm

Ed@11:29 pm

I happen to agree with a lot of what you have said, but the fact is the regressives were holding the extension of UI benefits hostage.

The Pres. was trying to compromise for those benefits. Even though I think he should have also held out for an extension of the 99 weeks to an additional 13 weeks for a total 112 weeks.

That would have put the current 99ers who have exhausted their benefits into the spring when warmer weather jobs appear and companies have their budgets in place.

The Pres. chose to ignore those harsh realities and cave in with not much gained.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 10th, 2010
11:39 pm

RW-(the original)@11:29 pm

Do what I would do in the same situation. Stay up all night drinking the rum and prop the door open with the fruitcake so the cold air keeps you awake.

:-)

Ed

December 10th, 2010
11:41 pm

ken R – You have my respect for understanding the nature of the argument.
Those making $250K a year or more can afford to pay the standard 35% tax. They don’t need their taxes to be set at 16%. Fair? I think so.

This is so our Fed Deficit is not further grow just so the rich can get richer.

We are not really talking about whether those who make $250K paying 16% of their income in taxes or not. What we are really talking about are those super-rich like the CEO of Merrill Lynch not getting a $1 million tax savings at the cost of public education, Social Security, public works programs… at the cost of those of us who need it: For Future Prosperity of Americans.

This “compromise” tax extension is just that according to Warren Buffet: rolling more $’s into the hands of those who don’t need it at the cost of 99% of us who do. Unconscionable.

ty webb

December 10th, 2010
11:42 pm

and never, ever has there been a better argument for private education than mary elizabeth’s post at 11:24.

Ed

December 10th, 2010
11:49 pm

Common Sense -Yes you are correct. But the night is young yet… there is still 20 days to debate this issue. We can’t let this “compromise” go as stated because the President gave away TOO MUCH.

If the Regressives wish to hold the UI hostage, then we should be yelling AT THEM for what they are doing. Why are we not? Historically the D+R’s HAVE ALWAYS extended the benefits to the unemployed when the unemployment rate hovers around 10% in our country.

Why are we not in the streets pounding the hell out of those “do nothing Republicans” holding Unemployment Insurance Extension hostage rather than expecting all of us to concede on tax breaks to the very rich?

This should really, really tick-off all segments of our populations to see a whole group of politicians playing partisan games with people’s lives and livelihoods.

Jaimye Bartak

December 10th, 2010
11:51 pm

Wow, “Lil’ Barry Bailout” (cute, by the way):
“So they can run it into the ditch, as they’ve done with their own lives? No thanks!”

I never met anyone who thought that someone who chose teaching, firefighting, police work, or child care provider as their profession could be blamed for running their lives into a ditch.

Perhaps you are confusing them with wealthy Republicans, who want to continue to reward people who don’t actually work for a living with 15% tax rates on the investment income they live off of? Because THAT, my friend, is driving the country into a ditch.

Later you also make the case that none of the higher taxes liberals want to see on higher tax brackets would go towards deficit reduction. When Republicans start talking seriously about cutting the bloated military budget and tax loopholes that allow companies like GE to pay NO taxes on the $11 billion in profits it took in last year, then maybe you’ll sound like you’re making sense.

Otherwise you just sound like someone who doesn’t value anyone who doesn’t value money like you do. Ever read that little story called A Christmas Carol? You might want to look closely at that Scrooge character…

James

December 10th, 2010
11:53 pm

I see the “rich” in my community getting their nails done, dining in restaurants, purchasing high end clothing, jewelry, accessories, and cars. Many donate,some generously, to charitable organizations. Taxing them at a higher rate doesn’t help the small business owner, the manicurist, the waiter, the retail salesperson, or the food pantry in any sense as these perks are taken away. And it won’t stop the runaway spending in Washington. But sadly, it will make some of my neighbors feel better.

Jackie

December 10th, 2010
11:53 pm

If millionaires and billionaires are saying they do not need the money from the tax increase, why is it the so-called conservatives think it is having an ill-effect on those making less than $250,000?