Senate refuses to act on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell

Efforts to end Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell failed to muster the 60 votes needed to end a Senate filibuster this afternoon. The vote was 57-40, and the only Republican to support the measure was Susan Collins of Maine.

With a Republican House coming into power in January, the chances of repealing the measure by congressional vote will evaporate for two years at a minimum, and probably longer, unless today’s vote is somehow reversed. And it’s hard to imagine how that might happen.

As Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned earlier, a congressional refusal to act could force the courts to intervene, a process that would add chaos and uncertainty to an already delicate process.

“History will hold these senators accountable and so will many of their constituents,” Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a group pushing for repeal of the law, told the Washington Post. “There will be no place for these senators to hide. The Senate and the president must remain in session and in Washington to find another path for repeal to get done in the lame-duck.”

History will indeed hold these senators accountable, but I don’t imagine that’s much comfort to gay service members watching their own government refuse to acknowledge their basic right to exist and serve their country. This is not America’s finest hour, and unfortunately, we seem to be saying that pretty often these days.

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josef nix

December 9th, 2010
6:18 pm

YEAH…now we can really get rolling from downstairs…

Curious Observer

December 9th, 2010
6:19 pm

So gay men and women are dying in service of their country, but those still living and serving are supposed to continue to lie or obfuscate in order to continue their service. Some honor code we have there!

TaxPayer

December 9th, 2010
6:19 pm

Dang it! Now I have to refer to those people as the “Party of No, minus one!”

Adam

December 9th, 2010
6:19 pm

Adam

December 9th, 2010
6:20 pm

BTW, who are the 3 missing votes?

AmVet

December 9th, 2010
6:22 pm

josef, from downstairs.

Some days, like today, you (in this case, general, or more specifically, I) have put up with a some industrial strength, Grade A a**holes.

Dusty being a constant one is a given, but today is a day when I do not suffer that fool gladly…

As for the topic at hand, homophobia still rules the GOP…

Paul

December 9th, 2010
6:22 pm

Says the servicemember, “I’m willing to die for my country and for you.”

Says the senator, “That’s an incredible sentiment. Thank you so much,.”

Servicemember: “I’m gay.”

Senator: “What? Don’t say that! Lie! And don’t let your fellow servicemembers know.”

Servicemember: “The ones my age know.”

Senator: “They know? They must be really upset. They won’t be able to do their job or fight or trust you. I’m sorry, you’ll have to leave.”

Wonderful group we have there in Washington.

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
6:23 pm

ADAM

I was wondering who the three missing were, too…

Oh, Susan Collins is my new heroine (well, as much as any GOP or politician CAN be) and, let’s not forget there was also one Dem who bucked and went the other way…

RW-(the original)

December 9th, 2010
6:24 pm

Deal with the tax rates, deal with the budget, then bring this up as a stand alone vote.

AmVet

December 9th, 2010
6:24 pm

Mick, if you show up later, did you see where Miami “supposedly” talked with Pelini? Osborne and everyone else denied it…

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-nebraska-pelini

Bruno

December 9th, 2010
6:24 pm

Hey josef–I guess my celebration song was a little premature last week. I hope this Joni Mitchell song makes up for it a little:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpFudDAYqxY

Logical Dude

December 9th, 2010
6:25 pm

” the only Republican to support the measure was Susan Collins of Maine.”

Okay, I must fix what I JUST wrote downstairs. There is JUST ONE Republican who will not follow Party Politics blindly for something that is good for the country.

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
6:26 pm

PAUL

I used to wonder about the Black Confederates…now I understand a lot more, now…my country is my country, it’s injustices aside and I will defend it…even when its government will not defend me…

saywhat?

December 9th, 2010
6:26 pm

If we don’t let all the gays currently in the military remain there, won’t that mean more of them will end up in the general US civilian population? OH NOES!!!!Wouldn’t it be safer for my hetero-marriage if they all had to stay in Afghanistan? I’m so confused!

RW-(the original)

December 9th, 2010
6:26 pm

Jay

December 9th, 2010
6:27 pm

NPR reports:

“Three senators didn’t vote, including Republicans Sam Brownback and John Cornyn. Democrat Blanche Lincoln was at the dentist and missed the vote by three minutes, Sen. Joe Lieberman said.”

RW-(the original)

December 9th, 2010
6:28 pm

Brownback-R Cornyn-R and Lincoln-D not voting

Manchin-D Voting no.

TaxPayer

December 9th, 2010
6:28 pm

let’s not forget there was also one Dem who bucked and went the other way…

Double Dang it! I should call them the “Party of Yes, minus one!” Doesn’t seem to have quite the same ring to it though.

Logical Dude

December 9th, 2010
6:30 pm

Well, the courts have spokenalready, and now it’s gonna happen by court order.

Republicans, thanks for showing your true colors. You care more for party favoritism than what is good for the country.
And instead of “doing it right, timely, and organized”, we’ll get the court ordered directive. Which will have the same result in the long run, but will put undue pressure on the military in the short term.

And it won’t be the courts performing “judicial activism”, it’ll be the courts ruling constitutionally.

I tried calling my Senators, but they evidently don’t listen either.

BADA BING

December 9th, 2010
6:31 pm

Washington hasn’t done anything about Immigration, the ecomomy, or jobs, why are you people surprised that they haven’t passed DADT?

TaxPayer

December 9th, 2010
6:31 pm

OH NOES!!!!Wouldn’t it be safer for my hetero-marriage if they all had to stay in Afghanistan? I’m so confused!

They could even be elected as Senators! Gasp! Republican Party Senators even!!!!

Paul

December 9th, 2010
6:32 pm

josef nix

Same with the Tuskegee Airmen. Same with Corporal Bullard, America’s first black fighter pilot, of the Lafayette Escadrille (and after he’d shot down German aircraft, been wounded four times, received numerous awards, the Americans didn’t deem him fit to fly and fight).

Those men exemplified selfless service.

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 9th, 2010
6:32 pm

At least John McCain won’t have to worry about all them gays in the Senate now.

What, you mean they were talking about the military? WTF does being gay have to do with the military?

jm

December 9th, 2010
6:32 pm

from downstairs

BILL RETURNS: Former President Bill Clinton is headed to the White House on Friday to meet with President Obama, an administration official confirmed to POLITICO.

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
6:33 pm

BRUNO
Thanks for the song….more my sentiments this p.m. for that pack in DC…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m576G3UWUCU

jm

December 9th, 2010
6:33 pm

Um, after the tax issue is hopefully resolved, can we vote…. on START. pretty please

jm

December 9th, 2010
6:34 pm

I’m trying to envision the Obama – Bill conversation….

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
6:35 pm

RW

Stand alone vote? How it should have been done from the git-go….

Matti

December 9th, 2010
6:36 pm

EFF the Senate Republicans! Literally. As in, **literally** literally. With no reacharound. No K-Y. That’s what they’re doing to our military. I think our entire military should go on strike in protest. C’mon home y’all! Get some santa cookies and Christmas ham! Then drive over to your Repub Senator’s house and EFF him. Literally. He wants you to. What are you fighting for anyway? This isn’t the America you grew up believing in. Believe in and take care of ONLY yourself; that’s what the Republicans do! (After you EFF your Senator, don’t forget to demand that he thank you for the privilege!!)

md

December 9th, 2010
6:36 pm

“Well, the courts have spokenalready, and now it’s gonna happen by court order. ”

Just to clarify, one court has spoken……….the court game is another game entirely…….

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
6:39 pm

JAY

I appreciate this and please don’t think I don’t. But don’t let that pack of spineless Democrats off the hook, either…

RW-(the original)

December 9th, 2010
6:39 pm

josef,

Lieberman and Collins are trying to move forward with repeal as a standalone issue. An Independent and a Republican.

md

December 9th, 2010
6:41 pm

“Collins, Reid and Lieberman had negotiated for more than week on an agreement that would allow Republicans to introduce up to 10 amendments to the bill, with Democrats adding up to five.

Collins agreed to the amendment count Wednesday, but held firm to a request for at least four days of debate on the bill and amendments. Reid rebuffed her request, citing the need to proceed with the tax and spending measures before the Senate’s planned departure next weekend.”

Not as cut and dried as some seem to think………………all Harry had to do was agree to 4 days of debate??

Matti

December 9th, 2010
6:41 pm

Uh-oh… Didn’t know Bruno was in the house. Bad idea to talk dirty in front of him. Ooops. I mean, er, HEY Bruno!

everyday American

December 9th, 2010
6:41 pm

dang, i thought the almighty one, Obama, could just wave his magic wand and do whatever he wanted too. I know this was the case with George W. He did everything all by himself, didn’t he?

mystified

December 9th, 2010
6:42 pm

You guys are just too funny. Just how many homosexuals do you think vote republican anyway. How is this going to hurt them in the polls? But go ahead and stomp your feet and whine a little that you don’t get everything you want just because you think it should be. You know what is sad. You dems have had complete control over the house, senate and whitehouse for 2 years yet you couldn’t get this done or repeal the tax cuts. This congress will most likely go down as the least effective in the history of this great country.

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
6:43 pm

matti
I would caution you on the rhetorical metaphore you’re using…there’s a subliminal anti gay male sexism there and, just my opinion, it’s as, if not more, dangerous than the out and out anti-gay bigotry coming from our enemies…

Logical Dude

December 9th, 2010
6:45 pm

mystified says: congress will most likely go down as the least effective in the history of this great country

Thanks Republicans for using every procedural roadblock. Mystified. If you do not like the inefficiency, please call your Republican Senators to let them know you’d like them to actually DO something instead of say “NO NO NO” all the time.

Thanks!

mystified

December 9th, 2010
6:47 pm

I imagine if truth be told, the dems orchestrated this loss so they wouldn’t have to face their constituents about this issue in the next election. Now they can blame the republicans, who have no power, and still go on record as supporting the issue.

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
6:47 pm

mystified…

according to what I have read in the past, about 20% of the homosexuals vote Republican…I am not one of them, but, still, reality is, the Log Cabin Republicans have gotten us further on rescinsion of DADT than anyone else to date…

RW
Collins and Lieberman…kinda intriguing, isn’t it…? Two willing to say, “cut the sh*t and get to the matter at hand…”

Logical Dude

December 9th, 2010
6:47 pm

mystified: Just how many homosexuals do you think vote republican anyway.

I’m sure you’d be surprised at the answer to that. Why won’t Republicans view homosexuals as actual Americans? There are many convervative homosexuals out there who’d love to vote more Republicans in because they agree with the fiscal policies. However, if Republicans can’t even view them as Americans, then they are going to lose a LOT of votes because of it.

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
6:49 pm

mystified
@ 6:47

And that’s the truth and the reason I am so fricking bent out of shape by those singing the praises of that pack of miscreants…

@@

December 9th, 2010
6:49 pm

I lingered too long downstairs. Left this for josef:

josef:

Thank you, Fierce Advocate…and kiss my gay a33…!

Sorry about the vote.

Meet me in no-man’s land. If you’ve got some molasses to spread around, I’ll kiss your ass. Then we’ll feast on pancakes. I make killer pancakes from scratch.

(IW&SH)

Jackie

December 9th, 2010
6:50 pm

As usual, the so-called conservatives are acting like the petulant children they are.

@@

December 9th, 2010
6:50 pm

Oh, and josef? I don’t know if you saw it or not, but Liz Cheney said it’s time to repeal.

ROAD HOG

December 9th, 2010
6:52 pm

BADA, no gay jokes? You are slipping. Exactly how would you fix the immigration, economy, and jobs problem?

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
6:58 pm

@@

Went downstairs…thanks…I needed that little joke, too! Thanks… ISH

And while I’m certainly no Cheney fan, fact is, he’s been more of a fierce advocate than some others I could name…

mystified

December 9th, 2010
6:58 pm

Well, to be honest. I have no idea the percentage of homosexuals vote conservative. Their concerns aren’t represented well in the platform so I guess I’d have to ask myself why they’d bother.

Being obstructionist and being against something are two different things. I really believe conservatives, for the most part, are against this. They aren’t just trying to stick it to Obama. DADT is a ridiculous law anyway. It does not ban homosexuals from the military. It just says open gayness will not be tolerated. I see the arguments on both sides. I am simply loathe use our fighting men and women as a social experiment.

Doggone/GA

December 9th, 2010
7:00 pm

“There is JUST ONE Republican who will not follow Party Politics blindly for something that is good for the country.”

Yeah, that’s how it’s done. You get the reputation by voting in opposition on something you KNOW is going to fail. You get the reputation YOU want AND the result you want too.

TaxPayer

December 9th, 2010
7:01 pm

I suppose the Republicans must be really really scared of losing a key segment of their voter base if they do not stand firm on this issue, just like they have on the deficit and pork.

mystified

December 9th, 2010
7:01 pm

Here’s my answer to the DODT issue. Conscription. Everyone, no matter who they are or who their parents are, has to serve 6 mo. to a year. This will accomplish several things, it will allow libs to get a better idea of what goes on in the military and expose conservatives to things they may be afraid of now. It’ll work itself out when the fear of the unknown is gone.

Fred

December 9th, 2010
7:01 pm

JOSEF:

YEAH…now we can really get rolling from downstairs…
====================

jay held this one until he was sure you were here. :)

now let me catch up……….

Matti

December 9th, 2010
7:02 pm

jo nix,

I know the undercurrents of which you speak. As a woman who… (TMI deleted), I can tell you that TRULY straight men are not threatened by what someone else does in the bedroom. It’s those who hate some part of themselves who are the most hateful (and violent) toward others. The problem with backing down from, or making nice with, these people, is that they view it as weakness, and weakness deserves to be beaten to a bloody pulp in their minds. In too many minds.

Doggone/GA

December 9th, 2010
7:02 pm

“why are you people surprised that they haven’t passed DADT?”

I don’t know about anyone else, but I – for one – am NOT surprised.

Mick

December 9th, 2010
7:02 pm

dusty

**First, there’s Jeb Bush, smart, experienced and honest. He won’t run because the Dems would have continual seizures of the worst sort. He doesn’t want to stop the brief, sane recovery they are making. But once rehab is complete…who knows??**

Dusty, dusty, dusty, what is it with you and these bush people? First off, jeb is a scalawag who set florida on a path to bankruptcy. He too, was a great friend to the rich by cutting taxes. Funny how florida always was ok and solvent before he arrived on the scene. Honest? Give me a break, he and katherine harris had 60,000 legitimate voters names scrubbed who were not able to vote because they were wrongly removed from their precincts voting lists. Guess what, they just happened to be black. All that information is true and a fact and you call that honest? That helped get his brother into the white house, then 911, culminating in the reign of error, of which we are still digging out from. Do you really want a third bush presidency? A pox on us all if we ever go down that road.

TaxPayer

December 9th, 2010
7:03 pm

Being obstructionist and being against something are two different things. I really believe conservatives, for the most part, are against this. They aren’t just trying to stick it to Obama. DADT is a ridiculous law anyway. It does not ban homosexuals from the military. It just says open gayness will not be tolerated. I see the arguments on both sides. I am simply loathe use our fighting men and women as a social experiment.

Perhaps it would not be such a big issue for the military if not for the fact that anyone, such as an ex, can out you and then you’re done.

Fred

December 9th, 2010
7:05 pm

AMVET:

Pelini is going to Florida put that in the bank. (damn shame Richt isn’t going to Miami and a good coach, Pelini could come to Georgia………..

Doggone/GA

December 9th, 2010
7:05 pm

“I am simply loathe use our fighting men and women as a social experiment”

The “social experiment” is already a done deal…now it’s time to bring the military into the real world.

jewcowboy

December 9th, 2010
7:07 pm

josef nix,

Apologies from downstairs for misspelling your name. I was on my new phone which auto-replaces words it thinks are misspelled. It comes up with some interesting ones sometimes.

mystified

December 9th, 2010
7:08 pm

DADT is not fair to the homsexuals as far as I’m concerned. How can you tell them we want you to serve but you can’t be who you are. It’d be better to ban service outright than something like this.

Bud Wiser

December 9th, 2010
7:08 pm

Oh yeah, like this is of importance to anyone outside of New Orleans, when the Senate has voted down Obozo’s alleged ‘compromise’ with the Repugs on the tax rates.

Looks like little Mary and Mikey won’t be getting any toys for Christmas, but perhaps finally these lazy buffoons will start to move their fat arse’s to look for work once the freebies run out.

TaxPayer

December 9th, 2010
7:08 pm

The “social experiment” is already a done deal…now it’s time to bring the military into the real world.

You mean there’s talk of outsourcing them to India!

Logical Dude

December 9th, 2010
7:08 pm

mystified: It just says open gayness will not be tolerated

Exactly, so it says that “Yes, we are the military, and we are bigots, and we know it”

And that is wrong. Why can’t you see that?

Del

December 9th, 2010
7:08 pm

Now what would have happened if the Obama administration had not appealed that federal judges ruling lifting DADT?

jewcowboy

December 9th, 2010
7:10 pm

So now the courts take over and forces immediate repeal and implementation. Something military wanted to avoid with an orderly dismantling of the policy with Congressional repeal.

I hope the Republicans who voted against this understand they just ensured the scenario they said they wanted to avoid.

mystified

December 9th, 2010
7:10 pm

No..the social experiment is not over. You just disagree with other people and want your way.

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
7:11 pm

FRED
@ 7:01

He blind sided me with it! I was all ready to go off on the APS! :-)

mystified

December 9th, 2010
7:13 pm

I do see it. I don’t think disagreeing with homosexuals in the military is bigoted. BUT. DODT is ridiculously unfair to the individual.

Fred

December 9th, 2010
7:13 pm

Mick

December 9th, 2010
7:02 pm

Mick Mick Mick. Dusty hasn’t posted on this blog yet near as I can tell. Where did that come from?

Doggone/GA

December 9th, 2010
7:13 pm

“You just disagree with other people and want your way.”

Ummm…you do realize that’s a double-edged sword, don’t you?

@@

December 9th, 2010
7:13 pm

josef:

If it’s any consolation, I think it WILL happen in spite of jay’s pessimism. Republicans are BIG on national security. They’ll be looking to fill the ranks with those who are able-bodied and willing, regardless.

Too many anti-war liberals out there.

Now it’s back to the laundry room project in spite of the fact MY BACK IS SCREWED UP!!! It’s difficult maneuvering my body, the ladder, and a paint tray thru a space that’s 13 inches wide.

Damn washer! Damn painted wall! Damn butt!

jewcowboy

December 9th, 2010
7:13 pm

mystified,

“How can you tell them we want you to serve but you can’t be who you are.”

And uniquely American…we are the only country that says gay people can serve…as long as they are not honest about who they are…veryf f’ed up.

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
7:14 pm

jewcowboy

Not to worry…I didn’t even notice it until I read RW’s post! As you know I spend a great deal of my day using Spanish as the primary language of discourse and am addressed as Jose as often as I am Josef!

Doggone/GA

December 9th, 2010
7:14 pm

“I don’t think disagreeing with homosexuals in the military is bigoted”

People who are bigoted never do see their own bigotry.

Del

December 9th, 2010
7:15 pm

When you have 3 of the 4 branch military chiefs recommending that DADT not be repealed at this time the Republicans would have been wrong in not blocking the lame ducks from pushing it through without more study as to the potential risks.

AmVet

December 9th, 2010
7:16 pm

The modern day GOP is sure a weirdass place.

On most major topics of the day they remain at complete odds with every western civilization in the world, from Israel to Australia, from England to Poland.

And, with this vote, they remain true to their fiercely bigoted and ignorant base…

mystified

December 9th, 2010
7:16 pm

Doggone, That’s true…But people also like to drop the bigot label on anyone who disagrees with them.

Fred

December 9th, 2010
7:17 pm

I’m gone. My heart is heavy. All I have to say tonight is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUW1SGF7bR8

Ya’ll have fun tonight tilting at windmills……… I’ll spiral down to the hole in the ground where I hide……..

Doggone/GA

December 9th, 2010
7:17 pm

“without more study as to the potential risks.”

Anything to postpone the inevitable

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
7:17 pm

“I don’t think disagreeing with homosexuals in the military is bigoted.”.

And you can get in line behind the Fierce Adovocate and kiss my gay a33… :-)

@@

Just the loss in my own field of interpreter/translator has been cause for SERIOUS concern…

Moderate Line

December 9th, 2010
7:17 pm

History will indeed hold these senators accountable, but I don’t imagine that’s much comfort to gay service members watching their own government refuse to acknowledge their basic right to exist and serve their country.

What will history do to them? Nothing. Did history hold Roosevelt accountable for interning the Japanese? No. Woodrow Wilson segregated the US government. Punished by history?No.

Oh the Drama!

Keep in mind Obama had two years and at one point 60 votes in the Senate so he had every opportunity to repeal the law. Considering Susan Collins voted for the bill one could say 61.

This is not America’s finest hour, and unfortunately, we seem to be saying that pretty often these days.

Oh the same oh liberal and conservative tripe. If they are not getting everything they want the world is facing an apocalypse. Unfortunately, if we are it is because the economy is not recovering. Consider the number of people affected by the high unemployment vs the DADT.

Conservatives said we were facing Armageddon when Obama was elected and now the liberal because Republican won the house.

Doggone/GA

December 9th, 2010
7:18 pm

“But people also like to drop the bigot label on anyone who disagrees with them”

Well, only too often it’s true

Del

December 9th, 2010
7:19 pm

Hello Supreme Court. I don’t see how the Obama administration will have any other choice.

AmVet

December 9th, 2010
7:20 pm

“Pelini is going to Florida put that in the bank.”

???

I don’t wager, but if I did I’d take that bet. (but that’s why ! don’t wager!)

He’s completely turned things around in Lincoln, so I’d be shocked if he went to Gainesville…

Doggone/GA

December 9th, 2010
7:20 pm

“and at one point 60 votes in the Senate”

60 votes maybe, but not 60 that were guaranteed to vote yest on repealing DADT. And as the vote today show, they wouldn’t all have so voted

mystified

December 9th, 2010
7:20 pm

Using other nations military forces as an example is not a very good argument. When it comes to effectiveness, we are the standard…

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
7:21 pm

moderate

As one of my old friends from way back when used to say, “it’s one of the 101 games to play while waiting for the Apocalypse…”

mystified

December 9th, 2010
7:22 pm

Doggone…Keep dreaming.

Doggone/GA

December 9th, 2010
7:22 pm

“When it comes to effectiveness, we are the standard”

Oh sure, nevermind that we’re bogged down in TWO wars that have lasted 10 years and counting.

Doggone/GA

December 9th, 2010
7:23 pm

“Keep dreaming”

About what? I can’t tell which of my posts you’re responding to, since you were too lazy to quote it.

Del

December 9th, 2010
7:24 pm

Is the Obama administration bigoted for appealing the federal judges ruling?

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
7:24 pm

Oh, well, if somebody had told me on leaving that hayloft back in 1967 that I’d live to see the day when this became a political “discussion,” I’d have said they were crazy. Well, it’s here, and the crazy part is true…

gog

December 9th, 2010
7:24 pm

my sources tell me the flight attendant’s union played a role in this outcome…

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
7:25 pm

Del
@ 7:24

Yep.

mystified

December 9th, 2010
7:25 pm

I surprised I didn’t draw any response, but I really think compulsory service in the military for everyone would solve this and other issues.

Moderate Line

December 9th, 2010
7:25 pm

As Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned earlier, a congressional refusal to act could force the courts to intervene, a process that would add chaos and uncertainty to an already delicate process.
++++++++
This is illogical. Think about this. As a congressman why would you vote to repeal something just because of the “threat” of repeal. Should McCain-Feingold supporters not have passed campaigned finance laws because the court would overturn it. Most conservatives were very confident that it would be oeverturned and they were proven to be right. I still believe McCain-Feingold should have been passed. I don’t agree with the vote on this bill but the argument gates presents is not a very good one.

jewcowboy

December 9th, 2010
7:25 pm

“pushing it through without more study as to the potential risks.”

How many times does one have to poke a dead dog with a stick to reach the conclusion the dog is dead? “More study” is just a euphemism for delay. You know…I know it…they know it.

AmVet

December 9th, 2010
7:26 pm

Many so-called conservatives now want to keep DADT in place. But when it came out in 1993 they went absolutely berserk. Almost to a man. The usual hyper-motional blathering about discipoline and cohesiona dn every other dumbass thing they coyuld dream up.

Of course they were dead wrong.

But ask one now to admit it.

You’d have better luck trying to get that disgraced colonel telling the US Congress the truth about what happened in Ronnie;s basement.

Their “accommodation” is completely transparent.

If they could get away with it, they would re-implement the previous ban of gays even serving i the military.

And for those that take umbrage with the the label of bigotry, if the foo sh*ts, wear it…

josef nix

December 9th, 2010
7:26 pm

mystified

@ 7:20

Nope. My vote goes to the IDF.

Doggone/GA

December 9th, 2010
7:27 pm

“but I really think compulsory service in the military for everyone would solve this and other issues”

As long as DADT is ineffect all that would happen is what happens now, anyone who doesn’t want to serve has only to declare they are gay.