Senate GOP’s top priority: A tax cut for Paris Hilton

Only 34 percent of Americans believe that tax cuts ought to be extended for those households making more than $250,000 a year, according to a new CNN poll. A new Gallup poll puts support for an across-the-board extension at 40 percent, and only 37 percent believe the extension should be made permanent.

(Interestingly, the income group least supportive of ending tax cuts for the rich were those making less than $30,000 a year.)

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But among Senate Republicans, support for a permanent across-the-board extension is absolute. In fact, unless they get tax cuts for the wealthy, they warned yesterday, they will use procedural tactics to shut down the Senate and allow nothing else to pass for the remainder of the year.

That would mean no vote on tax cuts for Americans making less than $250,000. If the wealthy don’t get their way, the rest of us will have to pay higher taxes too, even if it does wreak havoc on a still-fragile economy. These were the same Republican senators who have been whining incessantly about “uncertainty.”

It would also mean no vote on eliminating the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, which has been delayed this long mainly out of deference to Republican senators who said they wanted to wait until release of the Pentagon’s report. That report has now been issued; it’s time for a decision. But Senate Republicans say no.

No vote on ratifying the START treaty either, which is needed to allow U.S. inspectors to regain access to Russia’s nuclear arsenal. The Republican foreign policy establishment is almost unanimous in its agreement that the treaty is necessary, but in effect, Senate Republicans are warning that unless Paris Hilton gets a tax cut, they’re going to put our national security at risk.

Of course, this is only a taste of what awaits us in the next Congress. Senate Republicans may be a minority advocating a minority position, but to these people, compromise means total capitulation to their position. U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, for example, has floated a deal that would extend tax cuts for everybody up to an income of $1 million, but the GOP side of the aisle won’t even consider the idea.

“Don’t test us, because you know, we’re crazy enough to actually do all this,” the Republicans seem to be warning. The strategy seems oddly familiar, but at the moment I just can’t figure out why. Who else would be wacky enough to try that kind of negotiating tactic?

It’s so frustrating, it’s right on the tip of my tongue …

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Call it like it is

December 2nd, 2010
8:20 am

Finn McCool

December 2nd, 2010
8:23 am

SAVE THE RICH!!!!

Have you hugged a hedge fund manager today?

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:24 am

“Only 34 percent of Americans believe that tax cuts ought to be extended for those households making more than $250,000 a year, according to a new CNN poll. A new Gallup poll puts support for an across-the-board extension at 40 percent, and only 37 percent believe the extension should be made permanent.”

Jay, ask any one of the Freshman Republicans and they’ll tell you they have a Man. Date. that the People have spoken and we all want to suck up to the rich folk.

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:24 am

Finn – I’m in fixed income – can I get a hug?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 2nd, 2010
8:25 am

Actually the GOP’s top priority is to rein in the crazed spending of the leftists, as evidenced over the previous two years. The best way to raise pressure on the uncontrolled spending is to cut off the money source.

And it seems to be working. For the first time in my life even democrats are talking about major spending changes in social security.

Honesty would seemingly compel even leftists to recognize that the looming bankruptcy of the US, under the crushing burden of excessive non-military spending, is an issue that should be the top priority of those responsible for spending, the Congress.

Finn McCool

December 2nd, 2010
8:26 am

Democrats had a mandate after 2008 election but the Republicans shifted immediately into “NO” mode.

The people had spoken in 2008 but the Republicans said to hell with the people. The people spoke in 2010 too so…..guess what?

FrankLeeDarling

December 2nd, 2010
8:26 am

Out of touch they seem to be this GOP

DWTOO

December 2nd, 2010
8:27 am

Governing by opinion polls is dangerous. Congressional leaders (rather than politicians) need to do what is best for the country. If legislators had governed according to polls in the South Civil Rights laws would have DOA.

However, since we have no leaders and just a bunch of backbiting politicians we tumble into the abyss. There’s no reaon to extend these cuts – we’ve dug ourselves such a hole by pandering to various special interst groups the federal government needs the revenue from somewhere and these folks have it.

As for those who say it will hurt small business – how about a targeted tax cut for thos businesses that create new jobs?

Peadawg

December 2nd, 2010
8:27 am

I still don’t understand why liberals want to punish households making $250k or more by giving away their money(that they earned) to others. Why is someone who makes 30k entitled to someone’s money who earns $250k? Here we goes with this whole entitlement mentality, class warfare, etc.

TnGelding

December 2nd, 2010
8:28 am

Yes, the economy is fragile, but not as shaky as many think. We might as well bite the bullet now and get this behind us. Just let the Bush change expire as scheduled. I heard a GOP congressman on C-SPAN trying to say it was the tax cuts in 2003 that led to more revenue. They’re shameless.

From CNBC:

“Target, Macy’s Top Analysts’ Estimates; Target Nov. Same-Store Sales Up 5.5%, Macy’s SSS Up 6.1%”

All the GOP carping is giving Big Business an excuse to sit on record profits. But this tax issue should have been resolved months ago. Obama, Pelosi and Reid share the blame for allowing it to drag out and become so politicized.

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:28 am

“Actually the GOP’s top priority is to rein in the crazed spending of the leftists”

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

oh, you just kill me sometimes, pi$$-poor Ayn Rand character … the GOP is now taking the high road on spending???

what happened? were you in some kind of coma between 2000-2007???

Finn McCool

December 2nd, 2010
8:29 am

Ragnar, this statement:
Honesty would seemingly compel even leftists to recognize that the looming bankruptcy of the US, under the crushing burden of excessive non-military spending, is an issue that should be the top priority of those responsible for spending, the Congress.

Has been said year after year for the last 200 years. Same rationalization every year: America is going to hell in a hand basket and we can’t afford anything…but we still wage wars, we still pay our bills, we still seem to progress forward. We are still the dominant economic power in the world.

Fred

December 2nd, 2010
8:30 am

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 2nd, 2010
8:25 am

Actually the GOP’s top priority is to gain complete control of the house and senate and retain their full powers so they can pay off their buddies.
+++++++++++++++=

There Ragnar, I fixed your typos.

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:30 am

“Governing by opinion polls is dangerous. Congressional leaders (rather than politicians) need to do what is best for the country. ”

but … but … but … we’ve been told time and again that Congress should have listened to the “will of the people” about health care legislation …

“I still don’t understand why liberals want to punish households making $250k or more by giving away their money(that they earned) to others.”

as opposed to giving their money to the Chinese by way of interest payments.

just sayin.

Jimmy62

December 2nd, 2010
8:30 am

Interestingly, study after study after study has shown that no matter what the top tax rate is, the government still only collects about 19% of GDP in tax revenue. So even if the cuts expire, you won’t get more money.

I know i sucks when actual facts get in the way of liberal fantasies. But sometimes it’s nice to acknowledge reality.

Keep up the good fight!

December 2nd, 2010
8:30 am

Republicans are absurd…..the backlash is coming!

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 2nd, 2010
8:31 am

Good morning USinUK 8:28, evidently you have been asleep since the democrats took Congress in 2006. Do you want me to embarrass you again with the numbers? Easily done, if you wish.

Jay

December 2nd, 2010
8:31 am

Interesting claim there, Ragnar:

“The best way to raise pressure on the uncontrolled spending is to cut off the money source.”

When has that theory worked? It didn’t work under Reagan. It certainly didn’t work under Bush II, who cut taxes and launched two wars and an expensive prescription drug program that will do more damage to the deficit than TARP, the stimulus and Obama’s health care plan combined.

Your high-minded concern about the national debt is fraudulent, because quite clearly, cutting taxes and thus revenue is far more important to you.

Peadawg

December 2nd, 2010
8:31 am

Besides…do liberals really honestly think the gov’t is good with money? Look at all the mad spending and bankrupt gov’t programs out there. I think I should be able to decide where my extra cash goes(charities anyone?)…not the gov’t to redistribute to a woman with 6 babies and 6 babies daddies.

Paul

December 2nd, 2010
8:32 am

Rather illustrates the power of special interests with a lock on politicians and a media message, doesn’t it?

It’s now developing that some Democrats (the President, some influential Senate Dems, not necessarily the Spkr) are willing to offer compromise. But Republicans are increasingly digging in. Oh well, there may be a long-term gain for Democrats: their grand plan did not work out so well in the minds of the voters, so Reps are in. If Rep plans don’t work out so well, it’s Dem time again.

But on the issue of tax rates, I trust more analysis will be revealed on the rationale behind what the Debt Commission’s apparently going to recommend (according to the Associated Press): dropping the top income tax rate from 35 percent to 28 percent; dropping the rate for those earning up to $210k from 28 percent to 22 percent. End taxing of overseas profits of US corporations.

And that’s for debt reduction, mind you -

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 2nd, 2010
8:32 am

Dear Fed @ 8:30, a wasted mind is a terrible thing.

Jay

December 2nd, 2010
8:32 am

Peadawg, you disappoint me.

Seriously.

Finn McCool

December 2nd, 2010
8:33 am

Peadawg, if that small business owner making $250,000 needs to get his goods to the store by way of trucks rolling across interstate highways, some of HIS tax dollars are going to keep those roads and bridges in working order, right?

So, where do you get this “giving away their money to others” mentality? Oh, hyperbole, of course.

The haves (repudlickans) vs the half-wits (democrats)

December 2nd, 2010
8:34 am

The tax rates are probably just. The change in income growth began when Nixon visited China which began the globalization process that still blunts our growth, not to mention that Americans grow blunts and this turns them into productivity-challenged morons who deserve the low wages they get.

Rich people and journalists don’t smoke blunts, and that be why they rule. So once again I am proven right: Capitalism separates the haves and the half-wits the way God intended.

It’s in the bibles. It’s in the gospels. It’s in this newly-discovered story from the Forgotten Messiah:

A self annointed holy man, whom everyone assumed was living his life without sin, approached a mob getting ready to stone an adulteress. “Stop!” he commanded. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. The men in the mob looked around at each other, and then, like a flock of birds acting in unison, held out their stones to the holy man. He took the nearest stone and turned toward the adulteress. He threw the first stone. The mob then threw their stones and the poor little girl-gone-wild was keeled to death. It was truly gruesome the way they keeled her a thousand times, just one of the thousand ways to die, when it’s your time its your time, nobody gets out alive, you cant take it with you, and yes, she forgot to duck. The holy man then said, “I don’t think that was what I meant, but I had to go with it, did you see how many guys were holding rocks? Yeah, like I’m going to press my luck with the Pharisees. Sure.”

You see, there will be many false prophets. There will be many war machine edicts from the false prophets like “Don’t ask, Don’t tell”. By their fruits ye shall know them.

Word.

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:35 am

Peadawg

December 2nd, 2010
8:36 am

“Peadawg, you disappoint me.

Seriously.”

If you could see face right now you would realize I couldn’t give a fat babies d**k that I disappoint you. :) I’m sorry that I believe that people of ALL salary ranges should be entitled to THEIR money and not someone elses. You liberals disappoint me as well with all this class warfare and thinking everything’s a right.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 2nd, 2010
8:36 am

Good morning Jay, @ 8:31. but you imply your prejudices to my motivation. I care nothing about the level of debt, I care about the level of spending. It is non-military spending that destroys the economy, sucking capital away from the creators and wasting it on the video gamers.

We agree that cutting off the money – alone – does not reduce non-military spending, but the rate of such non-military spending growth slowed when President Reagan tried the tact in the 1980s, even though the profligate democrats continued to control the House by a wide margin.

One of the few beneficial side-effects of the democrats’s wasteful spending over the past couple of years is that it has now attracted the attention of Joe Mainstreet.

Mick

December 2nd, 2010
8:37 am

I thought the deficit was the big voodoo? Yet these guys want to let it grow just to please the fat cats, everything else? Cut, cut, cut. Republicans, thy name is hypocracy.

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:37 am

Ragnar – 8:31 – you seem to think that spending off the books (hello Iraq and Afghanistan) is the same as not spending at all. by putting those things ON the books, at least the Dems are more honest in their accounting

Jay

December 2nd, 2010
8:37 am

nice, peadawg. nice.

Show that one to your mom. She would be so proud.

Doggone/GA

December 2nd, 2010
8:37 am

“Why is someone who makes 30k entitled to someone’s money who earns $250k?”

They aren’t. And since they won’t be getting it either, next question?

Finn McCool

December 2nd, 2010
8:38 am

You Republicans do realize that when Bush intitiated the tax cuts in 2001 the whole point was to distribute the Clinton surplus to the wealthy, right?

Well, that money is now gone so there is nothing to distribute. Now we have to be adults and pay the bills.

TaxPayer

December 2nd, 2010
8:38 am

It’s getting harder and harder to figure out who cries and whines the most, Kim Jung or the Republicans. And the reality is that we simply cannot afford their pacifiers any more. They need to grow up.

Southern Comfort

December 2nd, 2010
8:38 am

I still don’t understand why liberals want to punish households making $250k or more by giving away their money(that they earned) to others.

And I don’t understand why the GOP wants to punish us all. I hope they succeed in their current NO campaign. Let Bush’s Temporary cut be exactly what was voted for, temporary. How in the hell can someone claim to want to do something about the deficit, then turn around and want to extend a deficit buster???

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:38 am

“I’m sorry that I believe that people of ALL salary ranges should be entitled to THEIR money ”

oh? and what about paying for the services they use? you don’t think they should pay for those?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 2nd, 2010
8:38 am

Dear jay @ 8:31, I would be dishonest if I failed to acknowledge my great desire to defang the nanny state, as you correctly alleged in less artful language.

Cherokee

December 2nd, 2010
8:38 am

This is what the tea party crowd voted for Jay, so they’re going to get the government they wanted. Maybe one day when their Medicare checks stop they’ll wake up and stop shaking their fist at the federal government….

Normal

December 2nd, 2010
8:39 am

ChuckD

December 2nd, 2010
8:39 am

Frank 8:26: “Out of touch they seem to be this GOP”

I don’t believe the GOP is truly that “out of touch” with citizens, I believe they just don’t care what anyone else thinks or feels. The truly “out of touch” are their constituents who, despite the majority falling well under this $250,000 per year mark and despite the fact that the GOP doesn’t give 2 hoots about them except at election time, continue to put them in office and provide blind, vehement support for them on the basis of “values”. (what a crock! It is blatantly apparent that the majority of GOP members “value” the bottom-line profits for themselves and those that help/enable them to increase those bottom-line profits. NOTHING and NOONE alse matters… period) “dumbing down of America”….? Really???… Can we get any more dumb?

RB from Gwinnett

December 2nd, 2010
8:40 am

Geez Jay. Can you just not bring yourself to be honest about this issue? Again, we are not talking about a tax cut for ANYBODY. The issue is are we going to RAISE taxes or are we going to leave them as they are. This tax cut garbage is nothing more than a liberal smoke screen designed to sway stupid people. Stop lying to the people, Jay, the city deserves better from it’s newspaper.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 2nd, 2010
8:40 am

Dear USinUK @ 8:31, minor correction to your argument, US military spending was not “off books” although it was “off budget,” always approved through special resolutions. The only significant “off books” spending is socsec.

Peadawg

December 2nd, 2010
8:40 am

“nice, peadawg. nice.

Show that one to your mom. She would be so proud.” – Oops…was I not being politically correct there? O well.

Southern Comfort

December 2nd, 2010
8:40 am

Honesty would seemingly compel even leftists rightists (is that a word?) to recognize that the looming bankruptcy of the US, under the crushing burden of excessive non-military spending [...]

Thought I’d help you out there a little….

Call it like it is

December 2nd, 2010
8:40 am

No more than 15% in any income group wants the Bush tax cuts to expire this year, while the rest are about evenly divided between wanting them extended for all versus extended with income limits on wealthy Americans.

*You know it rather interesting to actually go to the links that Jay has posted and read the whole thing versus what Jay puts in to support his “opinion” only. very telling.

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:41 am

Ragnar – 8:40 – and by being “off budget” it was not included in the calculation of the deficit.

Normal

December 2nd, 2010
8:41 am

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:24 am
Finn – I’m in fixed income – can I get a hug?

My income is beyond fixing…I really need a hug….

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 2nd, 2010
8:41 am

Dear USinUK @ 8:31, I think you implied that the democrats passed a budget this year. Don’t believe that is true.

Peadawg

December 2nd, 2010
8:41 am

“oh? and what about paying for the services they use? you don’t think they should pay for those?”

Services such as roads, police, firemen, etc. etc. are A LOT different than redistributing wealth to others. Nice try though.

Normal

December 2nd, 2010
8:42 am

Sprout Puppy,
Go to the time out chair…Now!

LeeH1

December 2nd, 2010
8:42 am

Hmmm. The rich have their tax cuts today. I look around, and don’t see any of them hiring anyone. Why do you think that if you continue doing what you do today, that the results will change?

Ket’s get rid of the tax cuts to Paris Hilton, who pays less tax than her chauffer, and use some of that new money to pay down the national debt.

If anyone has a stake in a sound American economy, it is the rich much more than the poor. After all, most of the millionaires invest their money overseas (instead of hiring people over here), in economies that grow rich by selling to Americans. If the Americans can’t buy their foreign junk, their investments will go down. Poor millionaires!

You need to feed the poor in order to feast the rich!

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 2nd, 2010
8:43 am

Dear USinUK @ 8:41, you err. All government spending that exceeds revenue counts as “deficit” and is so accounted.

Jay

December 2nd, 2010
8:43 am

Ragnar writes:

“Honesty would seemingly compel even leftists to recognize that the looming bankruptcy of the US, under the crushing burden of excessive non-military spending, is an issue that should be the top priority of those responsible for spending, the Congress.”

Ragnar also writes:

“I care nothing about the level of debt, I care about the level of spending.”

In other words, I was correct. Your feigned concern about looming bankruptcy was just that, feigned.

Normal

December 2nd, 2010
8:44 am

Thanks to SoCo, but it just dawned on me that the republicans don’t want to ratify the START Treaty, but insist on all of that Military spending…why is that, one wonders?

carlosgvv

December 2nd, 2010
8:44 am

The Republican Party is the party of the rich for reasons that must be obvious. The rich pour huge amounts of money into Republican cofers and in return Republicans put them at the top of the list when it comes to favorable legislation. Money talks. It’s just that simple.

iRun

December 2nd, 2010
8:44 am

Considering Peadawg probably pays little or no taxes himself and likely will never reach that top marginal bracket, he doesn’t even have a dog in the fight.

Just a trained dog. Here PeaDOG, when someone tries to get near my money, start barking!

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 2nd, 2010
8:45 am

Has anyone looked into how their favorite churches or charities distribute their contributions?

Has anyone looked into the salaries paid at United Way, etc.(probably not)?

Get ready for orphanages and debtors prisons people. We are headed back to the 50’s the 1750’s that is.

Big Business and Big Money now controls ALL.

Finn McCool

December 2nd, 2010
8:45 am

LeeH1,

Correct, the Republicans want to continue throwing good money after bad money by extending the tax cuts.

It’s time we act like adults and pay our bills.

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:45 am

peadawg – and that’s what taxes pay for. dear.

don’t forget the military, education, agriculture, drugs, clean air, clean water, investment in technology, etc.

your taxes go for those things, too

Doggone/GA

December 2nd, 2010
8:45 am

“The issue is are we going to RAISE taxes or are we going to leave them as they are”

Sale time is over…prices are going to go back to normal. Don’t like that? Then blame the Congress who passed that bill and the President who signed it.

RB from Gwinnett

December 2nd, 2010
8:46 am

“John Sherman, president of the Fulton County Taxpayers Foundation, said the city should award the contract to “the lowest, highly-qualified minority bidder.”

Basically, if you’re white, don’t bother trying to do business with Fulton County.

Hey Jay, how about calling out the county for their blatant racism? Do you have it in you or is it ok to discriminate against white people in your mind?

Jay

December 2nd, 2010
8:46 am

Peadawg, your eagerness to dismiss basic decent civility as “political correctness” explains a lot about what’s going on in this country.

Jay

December 2nd, 2010
8:47 am

RB, I’ve written before that I’m more than ready to abandon all minority contracting requirements. They’re an invitation to corruption.

Fred

December 2nd, 2010
8:48 am

Why do the Republicans hate America and Americans so much?

Over 1 TRILLION dollars to Afghanistan and Iraq = Good to Pubs

1 TRILLION dollars to bail out banks and AIG (so they can pay off their foreign investors) = Good to pubs

Dismantle our manufacturing economy and enrich China with it = Good to pubs

Outsource technology jobs to India = Good to pubs

Move HQ’s of American Companies off shore to avoid taxes = Good to pubs

Spend money on healthcare for AMERICANS = EVIL to pubs

Extend unemployment to AMERICANS effected by out sourcing and bank collapse = EVIL to pubs

Give tax cuts to poor AMERICANS = bad to pubs

I just don’t get it……..

Southern Comfort

December 2nd, 2010
8:48 am

The issue is are we going to RAISE taxes or are we going to leave them as they are. This tax cut garbage is nothing more than a liberal smoke screen designed to sway stupid people.

You’re right… The issue is not whether we are going to raise taxes. The issue is whether to EXTEND the temporary tax cut that Repubs passed under reconciliation or to let that temporary tax cut expire like the legislation requires that was passed by the Republicans. To try to frame it any other way is to twist the truth. If that tax cut was supposed to be the cure-all, the Republicans had control of both houses and the White House, and they could have made it permanent. And don’t try to say something about Democrats blocking it, because there were enough Blue Dogs there to help pass it if it was sooooooo good for the country. :roll:

TH

December 2nd, 2010
8:48 am

Today is December 2.

BONER, WHERE ARE THE JOBS CREATED FROM THE BUSH TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY?

Disgusted

December 2nd, 2010
8:48 am

Peadawg, you disappoint me.

I keep looking for Peadawg—he of the abortion=murder last resort argument. As I examine fellow Christmas shoppers, I’m looking for the man with calluses on his knuckles from dragging them on the ground.

Finn McCool

December 2nd, 2010
8:48 am

don’t forget the military, education, agriculture, drugs, clean air, clean water, investment in technology, etc.

safe food, safe water, and a CDC to protect all you conservatives from the illegal alien cooties floating around.

lovelyliz

December 2nd, 2010
8:49 am

“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” — John Kenneth Galbraith

Finn McCool

December 2nd, 2010
8:50 am

RB, is the black man keeping you down again? You are soooo mistreated. How can you live?

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:50 am

Again Ragnar – these were kept out of the official budget as a part of “emergency supplemental” spending – once they were included in the major budget, they were more easily accounted. It was this shift that you’re erroneously calling exessive spending by Democrats – when it was hid under the carpet by the GOP

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:51 am

dammit, SoCo … are you keeping RB down again???

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 2nd, 2010
8:51 am

Dear Jay @ 8:43, why do you continue to attribute to me your own prejudices?

“Bankruptcy” is a function of deficits, and leftists either truly care about deficits or feign concern about them – there are no leftists who do not pay at least lip service to “deficits.” Some even go so far as to claim to be fiscal conservatives or “deficit hawks” which is their way of avoiding the essence of the problem, excessive spending. That is the code language leftists use to justify confiscation of ever larger amounts of private wealth.

No, I don’t care about “deficits.” I care about government sanctioned theft of private capital, which constrains the growth of the economy. It is that theft that has destroyed our nation’s prospects. I want to stop it.

StJ

December 2nd, 2010
8:52 am

More wealth envy, just like Cynthia’s blog today…Recycling is alive and well.

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:52 am

Finn – 8:48 – evidently, those making >250K don’t need those services …

Peadawg

December 2nd, 2010
8:52 am

“your taxes go for those things, too”

I understand that. But what I don’t like is redistributing it to others through food stamps, Medicaid, and other handouts.

“Peadawg, your eagerness to dismiss basic decent civility as “political correctness” explains a lot about what’s going on in this country.” – should I had said “big boned baby’s wee wee” instead punkin?

Southern Comfort

December 2nd, 2010
8:53 am

dammit, SoCo … are you keeping RB down again???

:shock:

Dammit!!!! We need a smiley that spits out water!!!

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:53 am

StJ – okay. you made your simplistic point. you can run along and play in traffic, now.

Jay

December 2nd, 2010
8:53 am

“government-sanctioned theft”….

I think the conversation ends right there.

Doggone/GA

December 2nd, 2010
8:54 am

“More wealth envy”

Yep, the rich are extremely jealous of all the wealth controlled by those “below” them. And they want more of it NOW.

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:54 am

Peadawg – “But what I don’t like is redistributing it to others through food stamps, Medicaid, and other handouts”

aw. diddums. are you under the impression that we should only pay for those things we like and/or agree with???

RAPbama

December 2nd, 2010
8:55 am

If we taxed expenditures instead of income, this debate could be avoided. Liberals search for superior moral justification in their large and intrusive governments. To have faith in large government is to be delusional. Power corrupts, always. Power to the people, not the government.

larry

December 2nd, 2010
8:55 am

U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, for example, has floated a deal that would extend tax cuts for everybody up to an income of $1 million, but the GOP side of the aisle won’t even consider the idea.

I saw that yesterday on CSPAN 2, I never heard so many crickets on the Senate floor. Its hard to compromise with people who have no intention to do so. And i hope President Obama saw that and woke up to the fact that these people have had no intention of working with him.

Doggone/GA

December 2nd, 2010
8:55 am

“I understand that. But what I don’t like is redistributing it to others through food stamps, Medicaid, and other handouts”

Would you prefer to see them begging and dying in the streets? Galbraith was right on target.

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:55 am

SoCo – and I’ll bet you didn’t even realize you HAVE that kind of power. (it’s part of your charm)

Finn McCool

December 2nd, 2010
8:55 am

So we bail out the rich bankers who use the money to give each other bonuses and now the Republicans want to extend tax cuts to those same guys?

You conservatives are tools! You should elect Ben Dover (R) in 2012.

Keep kissing the rich guy’s arse….I mean they have provided soooooo many jobs the last 9 years!

Paul

December 2nd, 2010
8:55 am

Peadawg

“Services such as roads, police, firemen, etc. etc. are A LOT different than redistributing wealth to others. ”

I think the point was direct vs indirect ‘redistribution” in that, when all the areas from which you receive a benefit are added, the total is greater than what you contributed in taxes. Therefore, you are receiving benefits based on ‘redistribution’ of someone else’s income.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 2nd, 2010
8:55 am

Well, I say the GOP is right. Without tax cuts for the richest, us little people won’t have a reason to work to get rich. I expect to be rich someday. I’m just hauling beer now to get by till I’ve saved enough. Just watch and see. You’ll be bowing and scraping when I walk by someday, rich as all get-out. And I’ll want my tax cut.

Have a good day everybody.

@@

December 2nd, 2010
8:56 am

That would mean no vote on tax cuts for Americans making less than $250,000.

Wait a minute! Day after day, I come in here to hear (read) where left-wingers think we should all pay more taxes. So what’s the problem?

START? I read where Putin said if we don’t ratify a new START Treaty, Russia will up the ante by stockpiling nuclear weapons. Does that sound like a man who’s negotiating in good faith?

Putin, master chess player vs Obama, Chutes and Ladders player. He’s up, he’s down…right now, he’s down.

START can wait.

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:57 am

larry –

” And i hope President Obama saw that and woke up to the fact that these people have had no intention of working with him.”

if you’re not familiar with TBogg, you should be:

http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2010/11/30/barack-obama-buys-a-lawnmower/

Shawny

December 2nd, 2010
8:58 am

Flat tax. Implement, removing all exemptions and the IRS. Game over.

Finn McCool

December 2nd, 2010
8:58 am

Ok, RapBama, you have had your say about the evil big government, you are now free to head back to that deserted island you live on.

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
8:58 am

Doggone – 8:55 – I’m sure they brought it upon themselves.

“they should be quick about (dying) and decrease the surplus population”

Disgusted

December 2nd, 2010
8:58 am

and a pay-frozen CDC to protect all you conservatives from the illegal alien cooties floating around.

Fixed your typo.

Paul

December 2nd, 2010
8:59 am

carlosgvv 8:44

” The Republican Party is the party of the rich for reasons that must be obvious. The rich pour huge amounts of money into Republican cofers and in return Republicans put them at the top of the list when it comes to favorable legislation. Money talks. It’s just that simple.”

That’s the second time you posted that. As one of the morning’s themes is clinging to positions regardless of data, I take it you missed this post?:

“According to Tim Carney, senior political columnist for the Washington Examiner, “The Obama line — special interests, upset about the Democrats’ tough reforms, favored the GOP — got plenty play this cycle, and fit neatly into many journalists’ prejudices. But the truth is more complicated. Both parties are probably equally cozy with special interests…

“Obama’s liked to pose as the scourge of Wall Street, but here again, the facts clash with Obama’s rhetoric. Democrats outraised Republicans from the “securities and investment” industry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, including a 27.2 percent advantage in PAC money from the industry. Chuck Schumer was by far the top recipient.

And K Street’s allegiance was pretty easy to read. With Majority Leader Harry Reid easily leading the league in lobbyist money, Democrats raised nearly $2 from K Street for every dollar Republicans raised.

“Yet, Obama continues to talk as if the special interests and big business are in bed with Republicans. He gets away with it, somehow, as the media largely ignores data — such as the above — that tell a different story.

As the 2012 election develops, expect Obama to vastly outraise all Republicans from the most entrenched special interests — as he did in 2008. But maybe this time, he’ll get called out for his preposterous populist posturing.”

Doggone/GA

December 2nd, 2010
9:01 am

“Flat tax. Implement, removing all exemptions and the IRS. Game over.”

Yep, because a flat tax accomplishes…simply…what our current tax rates accomplish in a more complicated manner: transfer of wealth UPWARDS.

A “flat tax” is inherently more unfair the further down the economic scale you look.

Fred

December 2nd, 2010
9:03 am

Doggone/GA

December 2nd, 2010
9:01 am

A “flat tax” is inherently more unfair the further down the economic scale you look.
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It is? How?

Peadawg

December 2nd, 2010
9:07 am

“aw. diddums. are you under the impression that we should only pay for those things we like and/or agree with???”

You mean like a log of peoples’ attitudes towards the 2 wars??

RAPbama

December 2nd, 2010
9:09 am

Finn McCool, name a socialist government that works. Just one would be enough.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 2nd, 2010
9:11 am

Dear USinUK @ 8:50, you confuse “budget” with “accounting.” The “budget” as you use the term merely forecasts the levels of spending and “deficits.” The accounting is a final measure. The spending is always in the accounting.

USinUK

December 2nd, 2010
9:11 am

“You mean like a log of peoples’ attitudes towards the 2 wars??”

I’m sorry – I must have missed the part where folks have said they want their taxes cut because they don’t want to pay for wars. Care to point those comments out??

what I have heard is people saying they pay for 2 wars they don’t agree with because they understand that we don’t get to determine where OUR money goes when we pay our taxes.