Pentagon officially endorses an end to DADT, anti-gay bias

The results of the Pentagon’s ten-month assessment of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell have now been released. Here’s the money quote:

“Based on all we saw and heard, our assessment is that, when coupled with the prompt implementation of the recommendations we offer below, the risk of repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell to overall military effectiveness is low. We conclude that, while a repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell will likely, in the short term, bring about some limited and isolated disruption to unit cohesion and retention, we do not believe this disruption will be widespread or long-lasting, and can be adequately addressed by the recommendations we offer below. Longer term, with a continued and sustained commitment to core values of leadership, professionalism, and respect for all, we are convinced that the U.S. military can adjust and accommodate this change, just as it has others in history.”

In remarks today, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates endorsed the report’s findings and strongly urged “the Senate to pass this legislation and send it to the president for signature before the end of this year.”

“Given the present circumstances, those that choose not to act legislatively are rolling the dice that this policy will not be abruptly overturned by the courts,” Gates said, warning that a court-imposed change would be “by far the most disruptive and damaging scenario I can imagine, and the one most hazardous to military morale, readiness and battlefield performance.”

The country is ready. The military is ready. The time for waiting has passed; the time for acting has finally come.

“For years now I have heard the word ‘Wait!’” an impatient Martin Luther King Jr. wrote from the Birmingham jail. “It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This ‘Wait’ has almost always meant ‘Never.’ We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that ‘justice too long delayed is justice denied’.”

No more waiting. No more excuses.

545 comments Add your comment

Southern Comfort

November 30th, 2010
3:27 pm

Uh Oh!!!! Here comes the “Nazi Gay Flag”!!!

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
3:28 pm

Now let us see if the Republicans play to their base, or to the majority of the country and service members who thinks DADT should be overturned.

Doggone/GA

November 30th, 2010
3:28 pm

“Uh Oh!!!! Here comes the “Nazi Gay Flag”!!!”

I know, we should have a design contest!

Normal

November 30th, 2010
3:30 pm

…Oh I feel pretty, oh so pretty….

Actually I am glad to see this. Let’s make it official asap.

Southern Comfort

November 30th, 2010
3:30 pm

jcb

You already know the base rules the right. Shame on you for even wondering about that.

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
3:30 pm

From the thread below:

“They will start segregating themselves as being “Gay” Marines and wearing Rainbow attire, etc. because they are narcissistic.”

Jesus H. Christ on a Popsicle stick…are people really this moronic?

Normal

November 30th, 2010
3:33 pm

JewCowboy,
If he doesn’t think, act, or look like you, be afraid, be very afraid….

Paul

November 30th, 2010
3:33 pm

It’ll be interesting to hear how the armchair warriors in the Senate spin it to oppose the survey results, the SecDef’s recommendation, the Chaiman, JCS recommendation…

I guess they, and all the troops who will live with this every day, just don’t understand the big picture…

Sigh….

everyday American

November 30th, 2010
3:34 pm

lets see if the Democrats play to their base or to the majority of the country with Obamacare…..oh, we already know that answer…

barking frog

November 30th, 2010
3:34 pm

a non issue in the military that has been politicized far too long.
looks like will play the congress game a while longer. probably
the courts will act first and send this crap to the unconstitutional
garbage bin where it belongs.

Paul

November 30th, 2010
3:35 pm

jewcowboy

“are people really this moronic?”

You’ve been here a while. You really have to ask?

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
3:35 pm

Doggone/GA,

“I know, we should have a design contest!”

Sweet! I’ll get out my glitter.

Keep up the good fight!

November 30th, 2010
3:35 pm

JCB…..that is a definite yes…but I dont think you were really looking for an answer.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 30th, 2010
3:36 pm

Well, the nation might could be ready and maybe the military is, but us rednecks ain’t. It’s a Sin. It says so right there in the Bible. Someplace. Why can’t these gays just stay quiet about their Sin and go ahead and fight and die for us? Like DADT wants them to do. I expect the Rev. Postlewaite will have a few words about this down at the Church of Holiness at Prayer Meeting tomorrow night. But they won’t be as good as the ones the Rev. Jim Bob Buice would of used. Except the guvmint ruint it for us. Telling him to stay away from kids.

The End Times is near when we got Congress ready to vote on something like this.

Bosch

November 30th, 2010
3:36 pm

“Jesus H. Christ on a Popsicle stick…are people really this moronic?”

Damn. Paul beat me to it.

Matti

November 30th, 2010
3:36 pm

But will Congress approve what the majority of Americans, the majority of military service personnel, and now the Pentagon endorse? Or will they dig their paternalistic, religio-pandering heels in and say (as they do to everything), “No, Heck no, and No Friggin Way!”

Keep up the good fight!

November 30th, 2010
3:37 pm

How many sides can McCain flip to on DADT?

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
3:37 pm

Paul / Keep up the good fight!,

I know…I know. I keep up the hope that it will be someone just playing around.

Normal

November 30th, 2010
3:39 pm

JewCowboy,
In my Military career, I believe I have know of more Marine Gays than Navy. I think that they get all macho and join the Marines, but there must be something about Camp Pendleton that brings them out…

godless heathen

November 30th, 2010
3:42 pm

On a semi-related questions: If during TSA pat-downs, male TSA agents grope male passengers and female TSA agents grope female passengers, how are gays handled? (Freudian slip, anyone?)

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
3:42 pm

Normal,

“I believe I have know of more Marine Gays than Navy. ”

I’ve known a couple as well.

Bosch

November 30th, 2010
3:43 pm

I wonder what kind of bullsh*t excuse McCain is going to come up with now?

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
3:44 pm

godless heathen,

“how are gays handled?”

The same as everyone else. My question is how is the guy wearing kilt without undies handled ;)

Bosch

November 30th, 2010
3:45 pm

” My question is how is the guy wearing kilt without undies handled ”

Ewww.

Southern Comfort

November 30th, 2010
3:45 pm

godless

When I was at TSA there was one guy who was a cross-dresser. He worked in baggage screening. No touching of people at all.

Same thing with passengers. They are screened as they present themselves to an extent.

Bosch

November 30th, 2010
3:46 pm

Awwwww….where is Scout or Andy these days to tell us how homosexuals are an abomination and doomed to hell?

Logical Dude

November 30th, 2010
3:46 pm

“we do not believe this disruption will be widespread or long-lasting”

As I’ve said previously, the major result of ending “Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell” will be a huge collective yawn. “Huh? Something Happened? Oh, that’s it? oh, uh. . . no big deal.”

But it is a major step for gays, though, as now they won’t have to hide who they are, and can serve honorably and honestly. Which is also a major step for our military and country.

Paul

November 30th, 2010
3:46 pm

Bosch

I think the popsicle comment was jewcowboy.

But I can understand how you’d confuse two quipsters -

USMC Dawg

November 30th, 2010
3:48 pm

I think I knew a few fellow Marines who were gay also, but they didn’t make a big deal about it and shove it in anyone’s face, but that will change with the new law.

Granny Godzilla

November 30th, 2010
3:48 pm

I wonder about McCain and DADT. The embarrassing floppety flippety
behavior….What’s really driving his opposition?

Bosch

November 30th, 2010
3:48 pm

Paul,

Yeah, but you beat me to the “you’ve been here and should know moron when you see it” quip.

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
3:48 pm

If anyone is interested, here is the final report:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/44414052/DADTReport-FINAL-Hires

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
3:49 pm

Granny Godzilla,

“What’s really driving his opposition?”

Senility?

USMC Dawg

November 30th, 2010
3:49 pm

“The same as everyone else. My question is how is the guy wearing kilt without undies handled”

Gosh… this jewcowboy sounds like a real moron…

Bosch

November 30th, 2010
3:51 pm

“Gosh… this jewcowboy sounds like a real moron…”

This, coming from “Gay Nazi flag” guy.

Jesus Christ

November 30th, 2010
3:51 pm

Leaving your wife to go around the world with other men that you shower with, and penetrate other men with knives and spermlike bullets. I’m sorry, but war is kind of very gay. Social Psychologists know this. The ambiguity is not lost on the highly aware.

josef nix

November 30th, 2010
3:51 pm

On the serious side first…267 pages will take time to read and digest…and, well, we’ll see,,,

NORMAL

Gen.Patrick Cleburne, CSA, would be glad to have seen this day… :-)

jewcowboy
“The same as everyone else. My question is how is the guy wearing kilt without undies handled”

…with discretion? :-)

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
3:52 pm

USMC Dawg,

“I think I knew a few fellow Marines who were gay also, but they didn’t make a big deal about it and shove it in anyone’s face, but that will change with the new law.”

How? By being able to actually be honest to their fellow soldiers…to have their partner notified in case of their death or injury? How is being honest instead of lying to everyone going to change how they conduct themselves as service members?

USMC Dawg

November 30th, 2010
3:52 pm

“In my Military career, I believe I have know of more Marine Gays than Navy. I think that they get all macho and join the Marines, but there must be something about Camp Pendleton that brings them out…”

Wow, Normal, sounds like you have first hand experience. You sound a little angry about that.
What’s the matter? Did they hit it once and roll over and fall asleep on you?

Southern Comfort

November 30th, 2010
3:53 pm

“Gosh… this jewcowboy sounds like a real moron…”

This, coming from “Gay Nazi flag” guy.

:shock:
We need monitor cleaner on aisle 3!!!

Pogo

November 30th, 2010
3:53 pm

Enter your chttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/30/obama-faces-union-backlash-gambling-pay-freeze-proposal/omments here

Uh-oh, the union dogs are starting to eat their own.

Granny Godzilla

November 30th, 2010
3:55 pm

jewcowboy

certainly a possibility that can’t be discounted

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
3:55 pm

josef nix,

“…with discretion?”

:) Most assuredly.

Granny Godzilla

November 30th, 2010
3:56 pm

The same as everyone else. My question is how is the guy wearing kilt without undies handled”

Rubber gloves, mittens or salad tongs

AmVet

November 30th, 2010
3:57 pm

Back in 1993, when DADT was first run up the flagpole (get it?) and implemented the reactionaries in he GOP went berserk! They foresaw the demise of the United States military and tried every know trick in the book, including outright lies, to ensure it never came to be. Thee was MUCH gnashing of teeth.

And as usual (if not always), they were dead wrong. Morale did not go down the tubes, Readiness and discipline were in no way compromised.

Now that it is time to move into the 21st century and join in with every other enlightened nation, they are again going berserk and desperately want to keep DADT. Does anybody beside me see a trend here?

BTW, this irrational resistance to any and all change is the very hallmark of the stuck-in-the-1950s neo-cons.

As a subset of our American system, the modern day Republican Party is once again, the only group within any western democracy that, as a matter of everyday practice, denies the truth.

This new hyper-feared reality is something they will not see and cannot possibly understand…

RW-(the original)

November 30th, 2010
3:57 pm

267 pages will take time to read and digest

josef,

But Jay B has already read and digested the whole thing for us. Even gave us the money quote. That boy is one fast reader and digester.

:-)

Jay

November 30th, 2010
3:58 pm

That’s why you hire the professional, RW.

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
3:58 pm

USMC Dawg,

“You sound a little angry about that.”

How does that sound angry? You just sound defensive about your daft statements earlier.

Paul

November 30th, 2010
3:58 pm

I’ve noted before: pilots wear these one-piece jumpsuits with velcro and lotsa zippers; guys in dress uniforms wear polyester trousers and patent leather shoes; combat guys go around with knee-high boots with trousers tucked into them so they poof out…

and military guys worry about having gays be obvious?!!?

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
3:58 pm

“salad tongs”

:shock:

Keep up the good fight!

November 30th, 2010
3:59 pm

JCB…I think Dawg was saying that “they” did not behave like testosterone engorged heterosexuals on leave….BUT I have to add a disclaim that my “Marine Talk for Dummies” book is way out of date.

josef nix

November 30th, 2010
4:01 pm

USMC
And what, pray tell, constitutes “shoving it your face?”

@@

November 30th, 2010
4:01 pm

While I’m not opposed to repealing DADT, I have to agree with USMC Dawg. There will be unintended consequences. My hope is that it will reflect badly on those few gays who’ll use it to further their agenda, and not those gays who wish to serve with integrity.

Huge difference between this and this

Granted, thong boy is Parisian but we’ve got plenty like him here in the states.

There’ll be nothing stopping thong boy from trying to join. From the looks of it, he’ll be all too eager to show his ass. Will the gay community be squirming in their seats when he gets the boot or will they support the military’s decision?

Paul

November 30th, 2010
4:03 pm

@@

I don’t think it’ll be an issue. Military has this thing for regulations and uniforms and telling people how long their hair can’t be and what color it can’t be and if a shirt’s tucked in and which uniform to wear.

I don’t think thongs are in the table of approved uniform items -

josef nix

November 30th, 2010
4:04 pm

RW

But you gotta remember, the Bruin already knew that! :-)

Keep up the good fight!

November 30th, 2010
4:04 pm

@@ – Because of course heterosexual military men never act out badly…..2 words…Tail……Hook.

RW-(the original)

November 30th, 2010
4:05 pm

But you gotta remember, the Bruin already knew that!

And we have no idea what the commission found out because Jay B made their computers type that report.

:-)

Hillbilly Deluxe

November 30th, 2010
4:05 pm

the nation might could be ready

If one is going to use the phrase “might could”, one should learn to use it correctly.

thebob.bob

November 30th, 2010
4:06 pm

Many people BELIEVE it is the WRONG way for the military to go. The problem for them is that beliefs aren’t facts.

Actually the survey (the data) says the opposite. The general public doesn’t care, 74% of the military doesn’t care, less that half of the hyper-macho Marines care, most Christians don’t care, and most telling, of those Christians that do care it’s only the conservative Evangelicals that care.

Sounds like a radical rightwing religious fringe group that wants to impose their narrow-minded religious views on the rest of us rather that accept the scientific data about the biological basis of homosexuality and the changed social mores that accept it.

Republebans are a dangerous, civil rights-hating splinter group that casts all Christians in a bad light. Kind of like Al Q’iada does for the Muslim faith.

TaxPayer

November 30th, 2010
4:09 pm

Well, personally, I simply cannot stand the thought of a gay that would not serve with integrity. I think we need to integrate all of them and be done with it.

josef nix

November 30th, 2010
4:09 pm

@@

Your links remind me or the naked lady swinging out over Bourbon promoting her agenda! ISH

md

November 30th, 2010
4:10 pm

“But will Congress approve what the majority of Americans”

Hmmm……now why in the world would they start now……………

RW-(the original)

November 30th, 2010
4:11 pm

josef,

That same lady has been swinging out over Bourbon Street for decades now. Is there no stripper union in New Orleans? She ages well though.

Hillbilly D,

I’ll bite. What are the rules for using “might could?”

Common Sense isn't very Common

November 30th, 2010
4:11 pm

Southern Comfort@3:27 pm

Uh Oh!!!! Here comes the “Nazi Gay Flag”!!!
———————–

Is it a rainbow with a Swastika?

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
4:12 pm

@@

November 30th, 2010
4:12 pm

Paul:

I don’t think thongs are in the table of approved uniform items

It wasn’t really about the thong, it’s about freedom of expression. Where will the floss be drawn?

josef:

Thank goodness! I thought you were gonna dangle your thong in front of me.

(ISH)

Southern Comfort

November 30th, 2010
4:12 pm

@ Common Sense

Be careful, or you’ll be asked to come out of your ivory tower. If I had an ivory tower, I would have came out of it after I asked that question earlier.

Logical Dude

November 30th, 2010
4:13 pm

Yaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn.

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
4:13 pm

RW-(the original),

“Is there no stripper union in New Orleans? She ages well though.”

:)

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
4:14 pm

@@,

“It wasn’t really about the thong, it’s about freedom of expression.”

I didn’t know the military allowed free personal expression…

Logical Dude

November 30th, 2010
4:16 pm

@@ says “It’s about freedom of Expression”

I don’t think the military allows freedom of expression in the ways you are thinking. :)

josef nix

November 30th, 2010
4:17 pm

@@

MY thong don’t dangle! :-)

RW
Still looks like she did when my aunt took me down to see her when I was 10! The strippers don’t have a union down there, but the ladies of the evening DO have their socio-political agenda spokeswomen…

USMC Dawg

November 30th, 2010
4:18 pm

Guys, I am not against gay people.
My oldest brother was a beautiful gay man who died of aids.
(he was my favorite brother of 4 boys, but tell my other brothers)
I loved him dearly.
I am just saying that the new rules will present new and complicated issues that HURT the mission.
ie Hate crimes and Sexual harassment, just to name a few.

RW-(the original)

November 30th, 2010
4:19 pm

ladies of the evening

lady of the evening

lady of the evening

lady of the evening

Damn, can’t we even say Ho Ho Ho anymore?

Hat tip: Larry the Cable Guy’s Politically Correct Christmas

Del

November 30th, 2010
4:19 pm

Gates did say during his summary report that resistance to repeal did exist within the combat arms and that resistance concerned military commanders. He went on to say that he was concerned about that resistance as well. I think he’s sincere when he says that deciding this issue in the courts would create greater disruption than to have it accomplished legislatively. I don’t think DADT should be repealed without taking a deep and unbiased study of the concerns that the Pentagon survey found within the military’s combat arms regardless of Gates’s concern with our federal court system. The nations security is far more important than politics and ideology.

Logical Dude

November 30th, 2010
4:20 pm

USMC Dawg says: Hate crimes and Sexual harassment, just to name a few.

These already have rules against them. like the report said, instances are expected to be few and far between. Otherwise, YAWN.

Matti

November 30th, 2010
4:22 pm

ie Hate crimes and Sexual harassment, just to name a few.

You mean like what happens NOW to female soldiers?

josef nix

November 30th, 2010
4:22 pm

USMC

I have a breeder siblings I’m fond of and we have lots of straight friends. There’s a nice straight couple next door. We had some straight friends over the other night. I just wish they’d not shove it in our faces…you know what I mean? I mean why can’t they just keep it in private,,,

AmVet

November 30th, 2010
4:23 pm

Dawg, did you order the Code Red?

USMC Dawg

November 30th, 2010
4:23 pm

“These already have rules against them. like the report said, instances are expected to be few and far between. Otherwise, YAWN.”

Logical Dude, You pansy. “reports say”… are you kidding me. Get out of the house and go do something with yourself besides playing video games and eating hot pockets.

I have beeen there. Have you? “F” your reports. Yeah, you sound real logical.. Jackass!

Hillbilly Deluxe

November 30th, 2010
4:23 pm

RW

It’s used to imply less than 100% certainty, usually in reference to doing something (a task), as in a reply. Example: Question: “Would it be best to do it the other way?” Answer: “Well, we might could do it that way”.

It’s one of those things that you have to be raised with to know but when it’s used incorrectly, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
4:24 pm

USMC Dawg,

“I am not against gay people.”

No…you are just ill-informed and present imbecilic arguments.

“I am just saying that the new rules will present new and complicated issues that HURT the mission.”

I’ve got news for you…the mission has been going on for almost a decade now…and perceptions of gay people is changing faster than the mission.

“ie Hate crimes and Sexual harassment, just to name a few.”
That is why there is a Uniform Code of Military Justice. It applies to all those equally in the armed services, regardless of race, creed, sex or sexuality.

I have faith in our service members and their leaders…why don’t you?

USMC Dawg

November 30th, 2010
4:24 pm

“Dawg, did you order the Code Red?”

I did what I was told :-)

Dusty

November 30th, 2010
4:24 pm

Well, I thought Jewcowboy would be down at the recruitment office already. I know this is a happy day for him. Congrats, fellow!!

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
4:25 pm

RW-(the original) @ 4.19,

You are cracking me up today. :)

@@

November 30th, 2010
4:25 pm

cowboy:

I didn’t know the military allowed free personal expression

So what’s the repeal of DADT all about?

josef:

It don’t dangle? I’m not surprised seein’s how you’ve always got a bone to pick.

schnirt

Paul

November 30th, 2010
4:25 pm

@@

“It wasn’t really about the thong, it’s about freedom of expression. Where will the floss be drawn?”

It’s the military. Freedom of expression means doing your job well. If people want to express themselves in how they dress, the military’s the wrong career choice.

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
4:27 pm

Dusty,

“I thought Jewcowboy would be down at the recruitment office already”

We can carpool.

RW-(the original)

November 30th, 2010
4:27 pm

Hillbilly D,

Thanks. That’s pretty much what I instinctively thought and I just went back and saw where it was used on page one. I missed it the first time since that’s one of the people I generally scroll past.

USMC Dawg

November 30th, 2010
4:28 pm

“No…you are just ill-informed and present imbecilic arguments.”

No Jewcowboy, you narcissistic pseudo- intellectual. I’ve been there and EXPERIENCED.

Have you?

josef nix

November 30th, 2010
4:28 pm

@@

TOO good! ISH

Hillbilly Deluxe

November 30th, 2010
4:29 pm

RW

Well, he tries but he just don’t know or understand the people he’s trying to make fun of. Bless his Lil’ Carpetbagger heart. ;-)

Paul

November 30th, 2010
4:30 pm

USMC Dawg 4:18

Nice clarification – thanks.

jewcowboy

Was at Home Depot the other weekend, young guy with long hair in a ponytail and a goatee helped me with some stuff. Got to talking, he’d been a Marine and had some postings that clearly set him above his contemporaries. Anyhow, he was now married with two kids and wanted to go back in the military so bad he couldn’t stand it, but his wife’s opposed.

Guy went in not long after you tried. I told him, given what’s happened since 9-11 with the repeated deployments and the operational tempo and the risks, that I just admired the heck out of young people who volunteer with their eyes wide open.

Same goes for you -

josef nix

November 30th, 2010
4:30 pm

USMC

Unmentionable’s is a career military family going back to the pre Columbian. Our boy is continuing the family tradition. I’ll take his word for it.

Common Sense isn't very Common

November 30th, 2010
4:30 pm

Bosch

November 30th, 2010
3:45 pm
” My question is how is the guy wearing kilt without undies handled ”

Ewww.
———————-

Ask the Scots lady or is that the lady with the Scotch LOL.

Ask USinUK to go by the airport and check so she can update all of the curious minded LMAO

Keep up the good fight!

November 30th, 2010
4:31 pm

Dawg…what have you experienced? Harrassment? Hate Crime? As victim or perpetrator?

Or was it a homosexual experience?

USMC Dawg

November 30th, 2010
4:31 pm

Jewcowboy… were you an extra in Brokeback Mountain?

Village People

November 30th, 2010
4:31 pm

In the NAVEE LOL

JohnnyReb

November 30th, 2010
4:32 pm

Today Rush reported that Eric Cantor stated it was Republican intent to keep the portion of Obamacare for pre-xisting conditions. Why do I bring this up in connection with DADT? Because Repbulicans can be re-elected if they vote for abolishing DADT, but not if they keep the pre-existing condition coverage in Obamacare. Doing so is not insurance, it’s welfare. The media today is focusing on tax hikes, but you will hear more about Cantor’s remarks in the coming days/weeks, possibly a bigger uproar than that over DADT. As it turns out, at least Eric Cantor is as deaf as the loyal Left opposition to the message of the mid-term.

jewcowboy

November 30th, 2010
4:34 pm

Del,

“I think he’s sincere when he says that deciding this issue in the courts would create greater disruption than to have it accomplished legislatively.”

Ideally, it would be good to have both.

“I don’t think DADT should be repealed without taking a deep and unbiased study of the concerns….”
I have a feeling, and granted it is just anecdotal, that the majority of service members, straight and gay, would prefer this to just be implemented rather than dragging out so the folks in Congress can get their photo-ops for the base back home.

It’s really time to stop playing politics with a law 70+% of service members and the public, either don’t care about it, or feel is outdated.