In apparent retaliation, Oregon mosque hit by arson attack

Someone broke into the Salman Al-Farisi Islamic Center in Corvallis, Ore., where accused terrorist Mohamed Osman Mohamud occasionally worshiped, and started a fire early Sunday morning, destroying a computer, a chair and a copy of the Koran.

U.S. Attorney Dwight Holton visited the scene and promised an aggressive investigation. “The fact is that violent extremists come from all religions and no religion at all. For one person to blame a group, if that’s what happened here, is uniquely anti-American and will be pursued with the full force of the Justice Department,” Holton said.

Before the arson attack, leaders of the Corvallis mosque had publicly condemned the terrorist plot. “We denounce this horrible plot in the strongest terms and repudiate all those who commit such acts of mindless violence in the name of Islam,” the statement said. “Islam is a religion of peace and these acts are not the legitimate acts of Muslims.”

It’s also important to note that Mohamud was identified as a potential terrorist and intercepted because a fellow Muslim warned authorities about him.

John Hinderaker at Power Line, while claiming to be “unequivocally opposed to arson and other crimes,” then went on to explain how such actions might be understandable, claiming that “a substantial percentage of Muslims favor violent efforts to wipe out other religions and cultures and establish Muslim hegemony over the world.”

Sam Adams, whom Hinderaker called “Portland’s left-wing mayor,” pledged that local residents are “not going to let this change our values of being an open and embracing city” and promised beefed-up patrols around mosques “and other facilities that might be vulnerable to knuckle-headed retribution.”

“It’s heart-warming–special patrols for mosques!” Hinderaker scoffed. “Of course, it was a Christmas tree lighting ceremony that was the target of an attempted car bombing–but that’s different. No special patrols are needed to protect Christians, evidently.”

Right, Mr. Hinderaker. No special patrols to protect Christians, except for the FBI and the entire American law enforcement apparatus that was used to anticipate and prevent an attack by Mohamud, who now sits in jail and is unlikely to see another free day in his life.

Muslim extremists are trying to turn this into a war between religions, rather than attacks by individuals. Hinderaker and others are enlisting in that same cause, focusing not on the overwhelming majority of Muslims who reject violent terrorism, especially in this country, but on the tiny hateful handful.

He and others give that minority what they want.

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USinUK

November 29th, 2010
7:21 am

White Supremecists and bigots in Oregon???

nooooooooooo! say it isn’t so.

http://tribes.tribe.net/beaverstate/thread/ab46a2de-b61d-48c1-b19c-271cff86d956

Normal

November 29th, 2010
7:24 am

Turns out this guy was a prophet. We need more like him.

http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/11/26/political-pictures-i-warned-you-really/

As for the Mosque fire…you must really be a frightened person to let fear get in the way of understanding.

TaxPayer

November 29th, 2010
7:27 am

If we had sealed that southern border up and built the damn fence, we wouldn’t be having these un-Christian-like problems now. :roll:

Normal

November 29th, 2010
7:33 am

USinUK,
We had a GREAT Thanksgiving day! I saluted you with a turkey leg and a double heloing of cornbread dressing. Friday we went as a family to see Tangled. A good flick, but a little too intense for our yougest young’uns. I Great Grand Daughter, told me see didn’t like the “not nice old lady”. It had really good effects though.

Then…Our darling Grand Daughter (and our Great Grand Daughter) surprised us on Saturday with outstanding tickets to Cirque Du Soliel. I had never been and I was absolutely blown away!
I have great prodigy…raised them good… ;)

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
7:34 am

Normal – meh. it isn’t fear. it’s flat-out hatred and teh stoopid (which usually go hand-in-hand)

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
7:36 am

I saw that you had not 4 but 5 generations at the table – how wonderful!! what a fantastic way to celebrate all those things for which we should all be thankful :-)

and thanks for the double-helping of cornbread dressing – better in your thighs than mine!!

you’d never seen Cirque du Soleil??? isn’t it amazing??? and don’t you feel like the world’s ultimate couch potato after watching them … I know it makes me feel like an underachiever … (and I think their clowns are brilliant!)

Pro business, anti obama

November 29th, 2010
7:40 am

What I dont git is how flushing a Koran down a commode could possibly have caused a fire. I know that George Bush personally experimented with this and could not ignite one single Koran. Quantum physics sez it’s possible, but you’d have to flush 789 quint-quadrillion Korans down that many johns to achieve the feat.

So I totally discount this story. It’s just the conservatives trying to get us all riled up so we’ll agree to invade Korea or something.

JKL2

November 29th, 2010
7:41 am

Make sure to mention a copy of the Koran got burned. You left out the part about the fireman stomping on it to put it out. Make sure to blame Bush for inciting these riots worldwide.

Leave these poor people alone and get back burning down Catholic and Baptist churchs like you’re supposed to.

Pro business, anti obama

November 29th, 2010
7:43 am

D’oh! Hey everybody. Normal, (who’s gay) and Ustink are doing Southpark impersonations and the sound just like them!!

Cool. (morons).

Pro business, anti obama

November 29th, 2010
7:43 am

Mick

November 29th, 2010
7:43 am

Seems to me, that somehow the millions of peaceful muslims need to find a way to call out the radicals among them and promote cooperation and trust.

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
7:45 am

gosh … and I thought the schools were back in session this week … looks like Pro and JKL are skipping their remedial classes …

TaxPayer

November 29th, 2010
7:46 am

Inquiring minds want to know just how far the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, et al, will carry this story and how long before it is Obama’s fault and the only way to fix it is to vote Republican and cut taxes and get rid of those unconstitutional pat-downs and give us the tort reform that we have been waiting for and declare global warming a hoax, etc. Lame Ducks Unite and authorize the building of the damn fence and the manning of the entire border and the constant droning of the southern states. Save us from ourselves.

ByteMe

November 29th, 2010
7:47 am

Who the heck is John Hinderaker anyway? Just another noisy voice in the universe.

I think it’s better not to have too many voices in my head.

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
7:47 am

Mick – ohfercryingoutloud – does that mean that every Catholic needs to denounce pedophilia? or every evangelical needs to denounce extra marital affairs?

“It’s also important to note that Mohamud was identified as a potential terrorist and intercepted because a fellow Muslim warned authorities about him.”

frankly, I’d rather see a lot more of THAT than a lot of talking heads on the teevee

Normal

November 29th, 2010
7:48 am

Pro business, anti obama

November 29th, 2010
7:43 am

Let’s have a drink sometime… ;)

Joel Edge

November 29th, 2010
7:50 am

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/oregon-muslim-leaders-fear-757324.html

Good article

My favorite part.
“has received “thousands of calls” from Somalis in the United States who are concerned about tactics used by federal agents in the sting operation against Mohamud.”
Seems to be a lot concern for his rights.
“He’s reaching for people outside because he doesn’t find any terrorists here,”
Well there was at least one here. Him.
Haven’t read whether it WAS arson. We seem to be concluding that it was. Obviously retribution now involves burning the business offices. Leaving the worship areas untouched. Fiendish.

Del

November 29th, 2010
7:51 am

“The overwhelming majority of Muslims who reject violent terrorism.” Unfortunately, we can’t be certain that an overwhelming majority rejects terrorism or how many Mohamuds there are here in America. However,childish vandalism of mosques won’t solve anything.

JKL2

November 29th, 2010
7:54 am

USinuk -looks like Pro and JKL are skipping their remedial classes …

Funny how I’m typing this in my college office. Go back in exile now, and leave fxing our country to Americans, not foreign influences.

Doggone/GA

November 29th, 2010
7:54 am

“Unfortunately, we can’t be certain that an overwhelming majority rejects terrorism ”

Certainly we can. There are over a billion Muslims in the world. When terrorism attacks get up to OVER 1/2 a billion, THEN we can be sure that the “majority” does not reject terroism. Until then, we can be SURE that a majority DOES reject terrorism.

Mick

November 29th, 2010
7:55 am

usinuk

YUP – the parishoners need to root out the pedophile priests and make sure the vatican doesn’t protect them. Muslims need to promote peace and root out the jihadists. You have to start somewhere…

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
7:59 am

“Funny how I’m typing this in my college office”

then maybe you should act like it.

“leave fxing our country to Americans”

which I am, thankyewverymuch.

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
8:00 am

Mick – 7:55 – which, according to Jay’s post, they are doing.

kayaker 71

November 29th, 2010
8:00 am

My oldest daughter lives in Portland, the land of tree huggers and whining liberals who tie their sweaters around their waist, wear Birkenstocks and prop their sun glasses atop their head. They re the first to criticize those of us who live in the South about how much we hate the black population but have only 0.5% of blacks living in their state. They seem to have a solution for every social ill based on “trying to understand them better” or “just give them a chance”. They seem to walk around in some kind of liberal haze, denying reality, wishing away all of the “bad karma” and hovering over their children like helicopters. Now some Muslim male has perpetrated upon them a dose of reality that America at large could use in the worst way. Again, those peace loving, misunderstood lovers of Islam have taken it upon themselves to show America who is boss by trying to kill them. You just can’t wish away 6/55 gallon barrels of potential explosive and a cell phone detonator. What’s so hard to understand about that?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 29th, 2010
8:03 am

Well, way back in the day, our good people down here use to burn barns down as a way to tell other people we don’t like them and want them gone. I reckon burning a Towelhead’s church ain’t much diffrent. And at least they never burnt a cross in front of the place. Those Towelheads need to act like good Christians and move.

I hope everybody had a good Thanksgiving. Except the foreigners like USinUK. The missus sure was in a good mood yesterday. She got on a scale and found out she only gained 25 lbs over the holiday, so she met her goal of staying under 375. And thanks to her we got no leftovers to toss out.

Have a good Monday everybody.

Del

November 29th, 2010
8:04 am

“Until then we can be SURE that a majority DOES reject terrorism.”

No, the only thing we can be sure of is that the acts of terrorism targeting the United States and our allies have been committed by Islamic jihadists. Guessing, based on political correctness is just as foolish as believing that burning a mosque or a Qu’ran will stop Muslim terrorists.

Finn McCool

November 29th, 2010
8:04 am

Any religin that names it’s place of prayer after a type of fish (Salman) ain’t quite right anyhows.

Mick

November 29th, 2010
8:04 am

yaker

The stereotyping is ridiculous but why would I expect anything different from some bubba from the south?

kayaker 71

November 29th, 2010
8:06 am

Mick,

Do you live in Portland too?

Paulo977

November 29th, 2010
8:08 am

Mick
7:43 am
Considering that peaceful Christians couldn’t hold back a dastardly attack, by state terrorists , on innocent human beings to the tune of 1 million, and counting,how will that help?

JKL2

November 29th, 2010
8:09 am

Doggone-

Just because they don’t participate doesn’t mean they reject it. In Iraq when something blew up, the first thing the people asked was “what sect they belonged to?” If it wasn’t their sect, they could care less how many people died.

We’re taught all life is sacred. They are taught if you’re not one of us, you’re either worthless or it’s my responsibility to kill you. Doesn’t matter how many times you tell me you love me, you still need to do.

Mick

November 29th, 2010
8:11 am

yaker

No, safely kayaking aroung miami and vicinity. Nice, clear , blue water – the better to see gators and company.

Doggone/GA

November 29th, 2010
8:11 am

“Just because they don’t participate doesn’t mean they reject it”

Sure it does. It doesn’t matter what they THINK, it’s what they DO (or in this case don’t do) that matters. Personally, I couldn’t care less if every single one of them hates our guts. As long as they don’t act on that hatred by acts of terrorism, they don’t support it.

Finn McCool

November 29th, 2010
8:12 am

Hate doesn’t break on political or religious lines. If someone is determined to hurt others, the base of that need isn’t religion or politics, those are just excuses or scapegoats.

If they really wanted to burn that mosque down and really hated muslims, they would have done it with people inside and made it impossible for someone to stop it at such an early stage. This is a case of religious/political showmanship, not pure hate. Pure hate is never that incompetent.

JKL2

November 29th, 2010
8:13 am

USinuk-

There’s no cure for stupid. Go back in exile and let the adults handle things.

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
8:15 am

“Go back in exile and let the adults handle things.”

adults? “You left out the part about the fireman stomping on it to put it out. Make sure to blame Bush for inciting these riots worldwide.”

oh, yeah. you’re QUITE the grown-up

:roll:

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
8:16 am

and, as for Oregon, Portland is about as much of an indicator of what the rest of the state is like as Atlanta is for what the rest of Georgia is like.

Mick

November 29th, 2010
8:16 am

usinuk

Enjoyed the chaplin, hey its monday and kinda tough getting back to solving the worlds problems after such a long weekend, yet we persist.

ROBOCOP

November 29th, 2010
8:17 am

The bigots are out this morning expressing their typical and predictable rhetoric. Redneck Convert expresses their poitn of view quite well –”towelheads.” Brilliant!

JKL2

November 29th, 2010
8:19 am

Finn- Hate doesn’t break on political or religious lines.

Unless you’re a Muslim. Then it’s your duty to kill heretics like obama.

thomas

November 29th, 2010
8:20 am

Doggone/GA

November 29th, 2010
8:11 am

If I do not engage in acts of homosexuality does that mean that i reject homosexuality?

Are you saying all of the hetero people of the world reject all homosexuality, unless they (the heteros) engage in an act of homosexuality?

Bubba Bob

November 29th, 2010
8:20 am

Doggone,

Is sending money to terrorist groups supporting terrorism? There is a lot of that going on in this country through Islamic ‘banks’. You don’t have to pull the trigger to support pulling the trigger.

I don’t think every (or even most) Muslims are a threat but it is crazy to assume that our greatest threat comes from someone who is Muslim.

Bob

November 29th, 2010
8:22 am

He tried to set off a bomb in a crowd so lets keep up with the random gropings of children in the airport.

barking frog

November 29th, 2010
8:22 am

Political correctness is causing this, we need somebody to hate and
denigrate(one meaning of this is: the act of making black). No Polish
jokes, no Italian jokes, African Americans are off limits except for
other African Americans, Blondes and Rednecks were o.k. for awhile,
but not so much anymore. Muslims started out as jokes but have
progressed to bombs and terroristic acts. I nominate Martians.
Did you hear the one about the Martians that landed? OOps.
Orson Welles copyrighted that. Hate will always be with us,
but we can try to ’stomp’ it out. Hate the Haters.

Normal

November 29th, 2010
8:22 am

Kayaker,
Do you blame all Christians for Jim Jones?

How in the blue hades you can lump all Muslims into the hateful place you put them is beyond me.

Are you really that afraid? Maybe you should spend the rest of your life working from home. No, really.

kayaker 71

November 29th, 2010
8:23 am

Mick,

And while we sit around being careful not to be politically incorrect and protect our vision that all people are great but just need a little more time to be good, they keep trying to blow us into another dimension. Even the so called “peaceful, loving” Muslims take little interest in the fact that one of their own has tried to do just that. Where is their ire? They are just like blacks….. they wouldn’t criticize one of their own if he was centured by Congress, hid 90K in his freezer or was caught on tape buying crack from a dealer. The emperor is naked, Mick.

JKL2

November 29th, 2010
8:24 am

USinuk-

You don’t think it’s funny the only things dammaged where a computer, a chair, and, oh yeah, a Koran? We couldn’t say desk, or books, or papers? They had to make sure it was mentioned a Koran was destroyed to incite the worldwide masses.

I’m sure if it was a bible there would have been no mention what so ever.

Jay

November 29th, 2010
8:25 am

Sure, JKL2. Because everyone knows how Christianity is suppressed and reviled in this country.

Once again, the need of the powerful majority to cast itself as the victim…

RW-(the original)

November 29th, 2010
8:26 am

Pardon me if I withhold my outrageous outrage until after we find out who lit this fire.

Didn’t we just capture the crazed right-wing tea bag wearing, did I mention right-wing, lunatic that threatened the Broward county schools that turned out to be an über liberal green party activist…allegedly?

Southern Comfort

November 29th, 2010
8:28 am

He tried to set off a bomb in a crowd so lets keep up with the random gropings of children in the airport.

So, are you advocating for random groping in crowds everywhere?

My favorite line from Jay’s link at Power Line: “Let me know the next time a terrorist recites the Lord’s Prayer. Until then, spare me the BS about how “violent extremists come from all religions.”

I guess that guy doesn’t understand that terrorism is not just a US issue. He doesn’t understand that one person’s freedom fighter is another person’s terrorist, or that the IRA are considered terrorists by some. I guess when your perspective can be best described as trying to see an elephant thru a pinhole, your views and opinions would be just as limited.

Mick

November 29th, 2010
8:29 am

yaker

Well, never heard limbaugh or hannity criticize bush. It’s all irrelevant when it comes to grouping, more importantly, what do you do? Fight the good fight and do the best you can. Take the measure of each man or woman by their deeds, actions and words.

Doggone/GA

November 29th, 2010
8:30 am

“If I do not engage in acts of homosexuality does that mean that i reject homosexuality?”

Nope, it means that you don’t support ACTS of homosexuality. Just as people who don’t DO acts of terrorism don’t support ACTS of terrorism.

“Are you saying all of the hetero people of the world reject all homosexuality, unless they (the heteros) engage in an act of homosexuality?”

See above

Southern Comfort

November 29th, 2010
8:30 am

They are just like blacks….. they wouldn’t criticize one of their own if he was centured by Congress, hid 90K in his freezer or was caught on tape buying crack from a dealer.

Unsportsmanlike Conduct. Unauthorized posting of bullsh*t on Jay’s blog… 15 min penalty. Repeat the down.

RW-(the original)

November 29th, 2010
8:31 am

So, are you advocating for random groping in crowds everywhere?

That sounds like a party invitation from the 70’s.

Bubba Bob

November 29th, 2010
8:32 am

Doggone,

“Just as people who don’t DO acts of terrorism don’t support ACTS of terrorism.”

That’s not true. The government has found many front groups here collecting money for terrorist groups. There are a lot more people funding terrorism than actually pulling the trigger. All are just as guilty.

Doggone/GA

November 29th, 2010
8:36 am

“There are a lot more people funding terrorism than actually pulling the trigger. All are just as guilty”

Not to me they aren’t. Sure, they send money…but the responsibility for any terrorist acts still lie on the person committing them. But then…I don’t believe in punishing those who preach violence either. As far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t matter how much someone SAYS violence is OK…if someone else DOES violence based on that preaching, it’s still the perpetrators ACT that should be punished.

It doesn’t matter how much money someone donates, or how much someone preaches violence…they’d get NOTHING for either one it someone else didn’t actually DO the terrorist act.

barking frog

November 29th, 2010
8:37 am

It is only the government that has never persecuted religion
in this country. Churches are burned, ministers beaten,
Mormons were driven from the east coast to Utah, Synagogues
are burned and vandalized. Currently Islam gets the press.
It will get better or, at least, back to where it was before 9/11.

mystified

November 29th, 2010
8:38 am

So there was a fire to destroy a computer? Doesn’t that sound suspicious to anyone else but me? We are jumping on the bandwagon of blaming “Hatemongers” awfully fast but it sounds more like someone covering their tracks than a hate crime. If the terrorist attended there, where would the records be of others like him?

Does such a crime really warrant the United States Attorney making a personal visit? I wonder how may kidnapping victim families or worse get that kind of personal attention from their government.

Bubba Bob

November 29th, 2010
8:38 am

Doggone,

If I hire someone to kill my wife do they let me go free because I didn’t kill her myself? No, but by your logic they should.

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
8:40 am

jkl – “You don’t think it’s funny the only things dammaged where a computer, a chair, and, oh yeah, a Koran? ”

starting a fire in a place of worship is starting a fire in a place of worship.

so, no, I don’t think it’s “funny” – that’s one of the hallmarks of being an adult.

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
8:41 am

RW – 8:31 – :lol:

thanks for that

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
8:43 am

SoCo – “the IRA are considered terrorists by some”

um, the only people who don’t think the IRA is a terrorist organization are the thugs in the IRA.

Jay

November 29th, 2010
8:43 am

SoCo, it’s also odd that the folks at Power Line overlook little things such as, say, the roundup and execution of 8,000 Bosnian Muslims in Srebenica by Bosnian Christians in 1995.

As an international tribunal at the Hague later found:

“By seeking to eliminate a part of the Bosnian Muslims, the Bosnian Serb forces committed genocide. They targeted for extinction the 40,000 Bosnian Muslims living in Srebrenica, a group which was emblematic of the Bosnian Muslims in general. They stripped all the male Muslim prisoners, military and civilian, elderly and young, of their personal belongings and identification, and deliberately and methodically killed them solely on the basis of their identity.”

And speaking of Serbia, did you see that a Serbian immigrant in California was found with what is probably the largest cache of explosives ever discovered in civilian hands in this country, including plastic explosives?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/11/plastic-explosive-petn-found-in-escondido-home.html

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
8:45 am

Jay – 8:43 – and let’s not forget the Whiner Special: the Christians who attacked and killed hundreds of Muslims in Nigeria

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
8:46 am

SoCo – oh, I misspoke – the thugs in the IRA and the jacka$$es in Boston who fund them – they’re the only folks who don’t think the IRA are a bunch of terrorists

@@

November 29th, 2010
8:47 am

Geez, jay…while condemning acts of violence, we (your Christian participants) come in to take our lumps everyday. Nary a peep, from you, in our defense.

Of course, there will be…among your left-wingers…the proclamation that I am not (by their definition) a true Christian.

Whatever makes ‘em happy.

Oh my! I wear my sweaters tied around my waist and my sunglasses on my head. Birkenstocks?

I’m more of a Teva fan. Birkenstocks don’t look good on a Size 10 foot.

Granny Godzilla

November 29th, 2010
8:48 am

This kind of stuff makes Americans look stupid and evil.

It is shameful.

RW-(the original)

November 29th, 2010
8:48 am

On Wednesday, the squad reentered the house, finding it “extremely cluttered, making movement and observation extremely difficult,” the Sheriff’s Department said.

Sounds like a tip for Hoarders-Bomb Squad Edition.

Bubba Bob

November 29th, 2010
8:48 am

Jay,

I’m not defending the Serbian Christians at all but there is a difference.

I have some friends here (Christians) who took in a Bosnian Muslim into their home because they wanted to help some refuges. I got to meet him. He was not a practicing Muslim and said he didn’t really know any. The Christians there are not practicing Christians either. These are just groups they are born into. They are truly practicing age old hatred that isn’t religion-based but that is culturally-based. A terrible thing but different.

The Muslim terrorists we are up against are very religious and are doing these acts because of their religion. That is a totally different thing.

JKL2

November 29th, 2010
8:51 am

Jay- Because everyone knows how Christianity is suppressed and reviled in this country.

It keeps the ACLU in business. Just ask one of your “seperation of church and state” nazi’s on here.

Jay

November 29th, 2010
8:52 am

I disagree, Bubba. “Culturally” there is very little difference between those groups. They speak the same language, have shared the same land for centuries, etc.

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
8:52 am

“It keeps the ACLU in business”

keeping religion out of government /= suppressing Christianity

and what “college” do you teach in? they may need to have their accreditation reviewed …

Southern Comfort

November 29th, 2010
8:53 am

SoCo – oh, I misspoke – the thugs in the IRA and the jacka$$es in Boston who fund them – they’re the only folks who don’t think the IRA are a bunch of terrorists

:shock:

Jay

I saw that. I’m glad that I don’t do EOD work. From what I read, that was a frightening find for the first officers on scene.

barking frog

November 29th, 2010
8:53 am

Remember Murfreesboro? I didn’t think so.

Doggone/GA

November 29th, 2010
8:53 am

“If I hire someone to kill my wife do they let me go free because I didn’t kill her myself? No, but by your logic they should.”

Yep, by my logic they should. Because if no one took you up on your offer to pay to have her killed, she would still be alive, wouldn’t she? You would still hate her enough to HAVE her killed, but she would be alive because you don’t hate her enough to actually kill her yourself.

Jay

November 29th, 2010
8:54 am

Nazis, jkl2?

Really now. You equate them with people who killed six million Jews and hundreds of millions overall?

Bubba Bob

November 29th, 2010
8:56 am

Jay,

Sit down and talk to some of them and find out for yourself. The words came from this guy’s own mouth. He wasn’t a practicing Muslim and they weren’t practicing Christians. That is a very different thing than someone who is driven to violence because of their religion.

Bob

November 29th, 2010
8:58 am

We can’t listen in on a cell phone call from a suspected terrorist in another country but we can grope granny at the airport because it happens to less than 3% of travelers. Makes sense to me, can we step up on the cell call monitoring now that we have determined that the 4th amendment does not count at the public airports.

JKL2

November 29th, 2010
8:59 am

Usin uk- so, no, I don’t think it’s “funny” – that’s one of the hallmarks of being an adult.

To break it down for the simple folk: That’s funny as in “strange” not funny “ha, ha”.

kjdg

November 29th, 2010
9:00 am

why do you discount a muslim as the perpetrator

Southern Comfort

November 29th, 2010
9:00 am

We can’t listen in on a cell phone call from a suspected terrorist in another country but we can grope granny at the airport because it happens to less than 3% of travelers.

Two words… Patriot Act!

JKL2

November 29th, 2010
9:01 am

mystified- So there was a fire to destroy a computer? Doesn’t that sound suspicious to anyone else but me?

Hadn’t thaught of that, but it’s a very good point. Someone in the church could very well be covering their tracks.

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
9:02 am

JKL – “To break it down for the simple folk: That’s funny as in “strange” not funny “ha, ha”.”

I didn’t think you thought it was humorous – nice stretch, though, hyperbole-boy

Normal

November 29th, 2010
9:08 am

Jay,
Let JKL speak, he buries himself with each word. He must not have had a good Thanksgiving…or failed to score on Black Friday. :lol:

That's Funny

November 29th, 2010
9:11 am

JKL2 has an office at a college. Now that’s funny as in “ha ha” as well as funny as in “strange”.

Gordon

November 29th, 2010
9:11 am

How do we know it wasn’t just vandalism? Churches, mosques, and other buildings are vandalized all the time. What was done is illegal and should be investigated. It is. What’s the problem?

You guys on the left like to make fun of those on the right for getting worked up over nothing, then do exactly the same thing. Jay could have written this months ago and then just waited for the inevitable vandalism on a mosque somewhere in this country and filled in the blanks.

Doggone/GA

November 29th, 2010
9:13 am

“JKL2 has an office at a college. Now that’s funny as in “ha ha” as well as funny as in “strange”.”

Hmmm…wellll…when I was in High School our janitor had an office in the basement.

That's Funny

November 29th, 2010
9:13 am

Jay could have written this months ago and then just waited for the inevitable vandalism on a mosque somewhere in this country and filled in the blanks.

How do you know he didn’t.

Doggone/GA

November 29th, 2010
9:14 am

“could have”

could have is not the same thing as did

Donovan

November 29th, 2010
9:15 am

Wake up, Bookman. Wake up, Liberals. We have a problem to peace in this world we live in and that problem is Islam and its robotic followers. Until you stop underestimating the ramifications of this problem, you all will invite a greater spread of this cancer. Those “law abiding” Muslims still practice the tenets of their religion. Those tenets are inflexible, backwards, and violent in their nature. This so called silent majority has no problem with the idea of world wide Islamic domination of your lives. Go ask the French, British, Dutch, Swedes, and Swiss what they think of their past tolerence to Muslim immigration. We have worn the white hats so long that we are now the victims of our own political correctness. When ever there is a push back against forces that threaten our security there is a liberal reaction of journalistic compassion for the ones who threaten our security. For all you Neville Chamberlain’s out there I have one bit of advice for you. Go attend a mosque prayer meeting on a Friday and ask the followers to publically protest against the mass murdering done by their fellow Muslims in the name of Allah. In grand fashion they will undoubtedly hand you your head.

lynnie gal

November 29th, 2010
9:16 am

Without peace loving muslims at mosques turning in the muslim extremist murderers among them to the authorities, there is less chance of catching them before they commit their crimes and more Americans are at risk. This is important to know–why isn’t the story of how fellow muslims turned in this sack of doo doo to the FBI on every tv station news?

bank walker

November 29th, 2010
9:16 am

This guy is a great American; we need more like him!

Paul

November 29th, 2010
9:17 am

“Muslim extremists are trying to turn this into a war between religions, rather than attacks by individuals.”

Muslim extremists – jihadists – are not trying to turn this into a religious war, they have done so for themselves. They can be said to be trying to get Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc to adopt that viewpoint for themselves. In fact, one of their main propaganda claims is that for years America has been waging a war against Islam. And as has been noted here when it comes to violent Muslims, in a population as large as that represented by Christians, the fact one gets converted is no great surprise.

“except for the FBI and the entire American law enforcement apparatus that was used to anticipate and prevent an attack by Mohamud, who now sits in jail.”

Well, when we have yet another attack that was thwarted because someone outside law enforcement alerted authorities, we have law enforcement in a reactive mode. Not all that comforting.

“U.S. Attorney Dwight Holton visited the scene and promised an aggressive investigation. “The fact is that violent extremists come from all religions and no religion at all.”

Especially when “terrorism” is used as an all-encompassing noun, like “humanity” and no distinction is made between the various groups. In this case, lumping jihadists in with all other extremists allows radical Muslims to continue to advance their aganda. From Mohamud’s perspective, to tell him his actions had nothing to do with religion would likely elicit an amazed response of “you still don’t get it.”

” For one person to blame a group, if that’s what happened here, is uniquely anti-American and will be pursued with the full force of the Justice Department,” Holton said.” I’d say it’s against American ideals. For much of our history it’s been a characteristic, but it is something we confront and, as a society, try to overcome.

Jay, your 8:43

From Bat Ye’or: ” Frankly, I can’t think of a situation around the world today where Christians are actively persecuting Muslims. Perhaps an argument can be made about the misbehavior of the Serbs towards Balkan Muslims in the 1990s, or the Russians towards the Chechens, but this sort of thing has been widely condemned by the international community including other Christians. Crusading against the Muslim “infidels” is no longer part of the worldview of Christians, and in fact never was since it was Christendom (essentially a political entity), not Christianity, that perpetrated such abuses in the past. Christian theocracies are not in evidence any more. “

AmVet

November 29th, 2010
9:17 am

Good morning, Bookmaniacs.

Another day in paradise. Looks like the Thanksgiving spirit is still strong here! LOL!

Except for these always enraged, self-righteous fake conservatives. This is just another excuse to defend their head stomping, lamebrains and violence-loving fellow cretins and to turn it around and blame those Islamic infidels. Or is it heathens?

What they seemingly want is for every single Muslim in every single town and city in every single country around the planet to personally condemn all acts perpetrated by any Muslim. Without exception and in every instance.

But even if that were to happen, that would not assuage their hatred for those people, for they would contend it was not sincere or forceful enough.

The ironic thing is how eerily similar – albeit a watered down, American version – they are to that which they hate…

jconservative

November 29th, 2010
9:18 am

Since Hinderaker brought Christianity into the discussion I will do so also.

My understanding of Christianity is that anyone who is filled with hate toward another would have a difficult time standing before Jesus on his day of reckoning. The Gospel says Jesus preached love not hate.

@@

November 29th, 2010
9:19 am

Churches, mosques, and other buildings are vandalized all the time.

EXACTLY!!!!

When it’s a mosque, however, there’s a call that goes out.

ALL LIBERAL HANDS ON DECK! WE’VE GOT A RIGHT-WING NUTJOB/RELIGIOUS ZEALOT ON THE LOOSE.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

joe

November 29th, 2010
9:19 am

Kinda ironic that the moderate Muslims always refer to the “official” muslim boilerplate “islam is a religion of peace”, after a terrorist attack. Just sayin….

Bosch

November 29th, 2010
9:19 am

Muslim extremists are trying to turn this into a war between religions, rather than attacks by individuals. Hinderaker and others are enlisting in that same cause, focusing not on the overwhelming majority of Muslims who reject violent terrorism, especially in this country, but on the tiny hateful handful.

In other words, the Christian extremists are trying to turn this into a war between religions as well.

ken R

November 29th, 2010
9:20 am

Oct,27 2010………… Jay claimed that the Republicans were crying Wolf for several years about Voter fraud and wanted someone to name one person who had done it.

Well Jay, there are 18 people who were convicted of voter fraud and several of them were sent to prison. I will name you two instead on one, Frank Walton in Sept. plead guilty of 54 fake voter registrations and Kendra Thill was convicted in March of voter fraud in 2006.
All these people worked for ACORN

With all the resources that Jay has for gathering information, he either got lazy on this story or lied to further his agenda of ripping on Republicans.

You be the Judge.

Sorry for jumping to another subject but the people on here deserved the truth, for a change.

USinUK

November 29th, 2010
9:21 am

“We have a problem to peace in this world we live in and that problem is Islam and its robotic followers”

maybe we should start a band …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_Oe-jtgdI