Motorhead takes King of the Dittoheads to school

Congrats Obama!

Not only did Obama and Government Motors win Motor Trend Car of the Year, they also won the same award from Automobile Magazine.

Green Car of the Year too!

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Only the weak minded would belive anything Limbaugh spews.

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While I’m thrilled that an electric car is getting front and center attention, it does make you wonder, how many labor union members subscribe to Motor Trend. I’m sure they’re not paying for it.

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Woohoo Motor Trend! Sanity 1 – Fear 0.

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Glad I wasn’t taking a drink of coffee when I read that last line. Hilarious.

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Awwww from Jihad to carwash!! I’ll keep my Cavalier. You can bolt with the Volt, thank you.

Now let’s talk TURKEY. (No, @@, not that one.) Anybody for oyster dressing?

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Be among the first 200000 buyers and get a $7,500. tax credit from the tax payers, however, if you’re subject to the AMT, you need not apply.

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Limbaugh opining about automotive engineering is like Paris Hilton opining about thermodynamics.

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You would think such an awesome car wouldn’t need a huge tax credit to encourage sales.

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Limbaugh asking how anyone else has any credibility! Now that’s priceless.

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Until they figure out a way for an electric car to recharge itself from driving, they will have limited appeal, in my opinion.

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Limbaugh opining about automotive engineering is like Paris Hilton opining about thermodynamics.

Actually, I think Paris is more qualified on her topic. She’s a lot hotter than Sarah Palin, for example. And rich too. Did I mention rich. I feel a bout of wealth envy coming on. Excuse me while I move closer to the couch. I having flashbacks of a bikini-clad lady eating a hamburger.

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Ouch.

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DEL

Just doing my job!

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For a limited use car it is worthy. For a practical car – nope.

Copper cables – made in China.
Lithium batteries – made in China.
Rare earth magnets for the electric drive – made in China.

Wait, I think I see a pattern, who just bought 10% stake in the new GM…

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“Be among the first on the bleeding edge of technology and get your $7,500″

I drove past a Ford dealer yesterday in NE GA who had a Ford Flex marked $8,000 off

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“And as for pure unadulterated raw torque from a dead stop, electric is it.”

Volt –
Torque (lb-ft / Nm): 236 / 320

My 2010 Camaro 2SS -
Torque: 420 ft-lbs. @ 4600 rpm

You were saying?

Horsepower: 426 hp @ 5900 rpm

Torque: 420 ft-lbs. @ 4600 rpm

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As novel as electric cars are, they unfortunately will never be more than a novelty.

Why? There simply is not enough lithium in the World to make a real dent in the World’s transport fleet.

As I’ve said many, many times on this and other blogs, hydrogen represents the only real hope we have of replacing fossil fuels.

Why? Hydrogen can easily be produced by anyone by electrolysis using common seawater, it will burn in the car you already have, it creates no pollution whatsoever, can be produced carbon-free by CSP solar generation, it’s production (from seawater) yields valuable by-products like chlorine gas and sodium hydroxide (lye).

We, our Nation and the World are wasting valuable time in this dead-end exercise.

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“As I’ve said many, many times on this and other blogs, hydrogen represents the only real hope we have of replacing fossil fuels”

And I don’t think any one source is the answer. They all are going to have their place. At this point it doesn’t matter which one you use…ALL sources of energy take as much energy to produce as they provide. There is no net gain in energy.

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AC Propulsion’s tzero roadster is a reason to not give up on the electric vehicle. The tzero does 0 to 60 mph in 3.6 seconds, according to the company, and it does it on only 200 horsepower because of its light weight and torque.

Don’t be angry with me and turn all red but I said electric. I did not limit my words to the Chevy Volt.

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The problem with electric cars is that if they become common, power plants will have to produce much more electricity than they do now. Power plants are heavy polluters so I don’t see any environmental advantage to electric cars. Of course, with a country full of nucelar power plants, electric cars might make sense. However, it dosen’t seem that the American people want large numbers of nucelar power plants.

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“Notice who gets the free ride. Reference my post yesterday about U.S. tax avoidance by moving corporate “headquarters” to Ireland”

Might want to do some checking into the Ireland bailout by the EU before you start crowing.

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“And I don’t think any one source is the answer. They all are going to have their place. At this point it doesn’t matter which one you use…ALL sources of energy take as much energy to produce as they provide. There is no net gain in energy.”

Electric cars–specifically the batteries–represent energy storage. Just hydrogen represents energy storage.

Think about this: every square meter that sunlight falls on represents the equivalent of one Kilowatt. The sun falling on that square meter for one hour represents one Kilowatt-hour. Think of the power that could be generated using the Sun. It boggles the mind. This power can be stored in the form of electricity in a battery or (by electrolysis) as hydrogen.

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Josef, 11:11

Are you “drinking’” before lunch? What kind of Cajun,Ccreole, New Orleans, bayou man are you that won’t eat oysters?

You are no longer a pearl in MY oyster world!!

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With the large investment SAIC made in GM with the IPO, and the large “partnership” they have in building cars in China, how does the UAW feel about all those jobs in China? After all, the UAW is who profited most from the Government take over.

From CNBC – http://www.cnbc.com/id/39269829/GM_s_China_Syndrome – A right wing organization(just a joke)

GM, despite all its problems, is a quintessential American firm. Its future may increasingly be tied to succeeding in the booming Chinese auto market, but if the shots aren’t being called in Detroit, people won’t be happy. Americans won’t be happy. That said we are moving towards a world where foreign ownership in GM is a distinct possibility. Especially as Chinese firms grow their bottom lines and look to buy into undervalued foreign operations.

The SAIC interest in GM right now may not lead to anything, but the day of Chinese ownership in American auto firms is coming.

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And yet, as we speak, Georgia Power ratepayers are paying for a brand spanking new nuclear plant.

In a wonderful socialist ponzi scheme that keeps the ratepayer as the loser on the bottom.

This wonderful new plant has the ratepayer doing the job of the “free market” company. The “free-market” company and investors get all the profits and no risk. 11.5% guaranteed!

BTW, how much does Georgia’s socialist give-a-way to Kia amount to per car?

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Or Jay opining about economics.

Or Hope & Change opining about the Constitution.

Or failed county politicians opining about anything.

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“Tommytwotone is actually JohnnyOneNote, better known as our old friend NRB”

Yeah, he gave that away by how he addressed me. He can’t help it.

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“Just remember: driving and Oxycontin don’t mix.” ROFL.

Ol’ Rush was begging for that one, wasn’t he? (Not that I’m a Government Motors fan.)

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“The SAIC interest in GM right now may not lead to anything, but the day of Chinese ownership in American auto firms is coming.”

Still waiting for an answer. Oh wait, it turns out you were exaggerating.

You turned a 1% Chinese share into a 10% stake. Are you the same person that calculated the cost of Obama’s last trip overseas?

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Well, I hinted to the missus about putting some of that fromage Dusty talks about in our turkey tomorrow and she asked me if I’d been sampling the goods at work again. I don’t know what fromage is but I reckon it must include lots of salt and pepper. Anyhow, I was just about drooling when Dusty wrote about it last night.

So the topic is “Motorhead takes King of the Dittoheads to school.” I guess this is the day for it. This josef nix was about to take the two-tone guy to school this a.m., and I don’t mean in the good way. If it had of kept going somebody was going to get hurt bad.

I wonder if they make this Volt in a pickup. That’s about the only way I’d try one. I like the feeling of setting high above all the other drivers on the road.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

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“My only point is that their is “unlimited” power in the form of sunlight that we don’t currently use to it’s full extent.”

That’s because we can’t…yet. We just haven’t developed the converter technology to make the best use of solar energy. The cost to develop a solar power station is still WAY out of proportion to the amount of energy you get back. On a cost per kilowatt basis, it’s still cheaper to build a more conventional power station – and that include nuclear.

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Who is Tommytwotone? Must be another appointed Dittohead. Jay is getting good at this namecalling business …DittoHead, anti-Obama Jihadist etc.etc.. He better watch out. He may get banned!

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Happy Thanksgiving, RedNeck…….yeah, be sure and put a lot of salt and pepper in the fromage. Kinda flat without it…

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So the dope addict known as Limbaugh or in some circles is know as Limpaugh know fancies himself and expert on automobiles. Hahahaha that is rick. Anybody who listens to this idiot is just plain stupid. There’s no other way to put it.

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The Volt may well be the car ‘o the year but Motor Trend would have had a stronger case had they waited a year or so for the car to be stress tested in the real world.

A cynic might think Motor Trend just signed a lucrative ad contract with GM. More likely they were just overcome by a bit of adolescent exuberance. Sorta like the Nobel committee giving the Peace Price to a brand new, untested U.S. president.

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Limbaugh opining about automotive engineering is like Paris Hilton opining about thermodynamics.

Just couldn’t leave well enough alone, could you Jay? First, there was the Palin bashing, then the GOP bashing, and now you’re bashing the Grand Poobah??? I hope you emptied your inbox, because you’re about to receive a lot of fan email, and not the good kind.

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20,000 dollars worth of junk sold for 40,000 dollars with tax-payer’s kicking in 7000 dollars.

Good job.

Typical government work.

Resorting to personal attacks after facing reality,

typical progressive reaction.

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DUSTY

Yeah, I know I’m a heretic…

REDNECK

Well, bless his heart…

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but you have to generate the vacuum, create the equipment to contain it, and create the iron disk, …

Yes. Keen explanation of the obvious. No machine spontaneously generates out of vapor. Machines are build by humans – duh.

Energy into the machine = Energy in perpetuity (no loss, no gain)

a.k.a. despite your pedantic qualifications, it’s perpetual motion machine by any definition.

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Bada

It’s doable, even though there has to be a transition period. Subtract 100 years – how many cars were on the road in 1910?

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Doggone

Eternity being relative, of course!

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“Eternity being relative, of course!”

Yep, and appropos of nothing – except that it is sort of energy related – have you heard this one: a computer’s attention span is only as long as it’s power cord

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This story reminds me of a friend of mine who had a business. He decided it’d be a good idea to get his business written up in a trade magazine. He placed a couple of phone calls and got pointed in the right direction. He was talking to somebody at the magazine and making small talk and then it came time to get down to business. He asked if it would be possible to get an article written about his business and the quick reply was, “How many ads have you bought in our magazine?”. He said he hadn’t bought any up to that point. In a roundabout way, he was told it might be a good idea to buy some ads. So he started buying ads and 3-4 months later, out come the people from the magazine, to do a write-up on his business.

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“So he started buying ads and 3-4 months later, out come the people from the magazine, to do a write-up on his business”

there’s another side to that, though, Hillbilly. By advertising you get consumer interest and that interest might translate to requests to the magazine to know more about the business. And it might be difficult to prove which is cause and which is effect, between the advertising and the write-up.

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Josef – yep, I’ve always like it!

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I missed that there was another blog up while watching the fracas below lol.

I’ll have to look into the Volt. I checked out the Smart Car but wasn’t really impressed by it. I didn’t think it’s mileage was all that great, but the price sure was. $12,000. I need a third car. My Ram 4X4 only gets 10 MPG. While I need it when I do a job, for every day running around that’s a bit much. I wouldn’t call myself a tree hugger but if I can do something to ease the inevitable strain we place on the environment I try to do it. Especially when it save me money. Hybrids don’t really save money though when you factor in their high purchase price.

Lassa sure ate Limbaugh a new ass though didn’t he?

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I think its fair to add Red State Texas to the list of troubled states. Texas? Republican darling Texas?

Oh, my.

At least California can now change course. They kicked the Republican Party out of the Governor’s office.

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How can middle and low class whites follow this high school drop out? This man is Anti American had the President listen to this man, millions more suppliers would have been out of work, more plants would have closed, yet you idiots support this ex radio DJ, and he make millions spreading hate and lies.

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The Ta Ta Nano is better.

No government goons, stolen tax-payer money, or precious metals involved.

AND,………. with a retail sale value at 2500 US dollars……………………EVEN poor people can afford it.

Performance and specifications

Performance: The 2-cylinder 624 cc engine – delivering 35 PS @ 5250 rpm and a torque of 48 Nm @ 3000 rpm – enables the car to have a top speed of 105 kmph and negotiate inclines with a gradeability of 30%.

Fuel efficiency : 23.6 km/litre, certified by the Automotive Research Association of India (ARAI) under mandated test conditions, which is the highest for any petrol car in India.(that is around 70 mpg.)

For some reason, our government will not allow this automobile in our “free” market. It must be those evil capitilists.

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Doggone, cursor down to the photo under Concentrating Solar Power

This type of power plant can be built for about half the cost of nuclear and is approaching parity with conventional power plants. Not to mention they don’t burn any fuel so the future operating costs are small.

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I have to say I absolutely love the response. What’s that you say about spineless? TAKE THAT.

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Introducing the Tata Nano

http://milkyourmoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/tata-nano-map.jpg

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Rush and some of his dittheads are high school grads. Keep that in mind when you dare to question their credibility.

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The Chevy Volt is the Edsel! Since the car has high voltage wiring running throughout the chassis, there is a high probability that if someone where to get in a crash that severs any of the lines, the passengers in the car can be electrocuted. Also GM is having to go around the country and do these “special” training sessions for Emergency repsonse teams, because you can not safely cut open the body without also hitting these high voltage lines. What a BOONDOGGLE!

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bortz=excrement

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40 grand for this car… who in their right mind would pay this unless you are an eco-nut? I’ll stick with my 40mpg Corolla!

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“Not to mention they don’t burn any fuel so the future operating costs are small”

Yes I’ve seen arrays like that. But there are still the manufacturing costs of the equipment, that takes energy. And operating costs are smaller, but there are still issues with them. They aren’t suited to all climates, they are mostly desert specific. And the mirrors have to be kept clean, or their light transference degrades…and keeping them clean is not an easy thing to do in a desert. And their weather durablity has yet to be truly tested. Deserts can kick up hellcious storms, it remains to be seen if the mirrors can survive that.

And they have that added disadvantage not experienced by conventional power stations: they are useless at night

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It doesn’t matter that those safety regulations are there for an important reason.

You mean like the stickers on pushmowers warning the user not to pick it up by the edge and use it as a hedge trimmer. Those stickers were put there to make sure Republicans have fingers to use when they go to the voting boothes. They look so silly pecking away with their nose and there were too many complaints about dead animals whenever they resorted to using their toes.

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Soco “The Tata Nano wouldn’t survive a collision with a Smart car”

Have you watched the “IRT: World’s Deadliest Roads” show? It’s bout some of the American Ice Road Truckers driving loads on some hellacious Himalyan roads in India. They are driving Ta Ta trucks that have a steel base frame but the upper structure is WOOD.

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[...] Motorhead takes King of the Dittoheads to school – Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]

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Sorry Guys but most of Bookman’s bloggers- Specs of blue amongst a Sea of Red

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gQoI1pd4mQ

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Time to get out of the house for a while…be back later. Dreamers, keep working on those perpetual motion machines. At the very least, it’ll keep you out of trouble.

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rush is just pissed because he could never even fit in the car.

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Have you watched the “IRT: World’s Deadliest Roads” show? It’s bout some of the American Ice Road Truckers driving loads on some hellacious Himalyan roads in India. They are driving Ta Ta trucks that have a steel base frame but the upper structure is WOOD.

I wouldn’t get out of the electric chair to get into one of those trucks.

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<i.You mean like the stickers on pushmowers warning the user not to pick it up by the edge and use it as a hedge trimmer.

Anytime you see those warnings, that usually means that someone somewhere has done exactly what the warning sticker says not to do.

Doggone

I’ve seen the show on the tv guide, but haven’t had a chance to watch any episodes. Tata tried to set up the Nano for import years ago, but they would have had to build almost an entirely new car for it to meet US requirements.

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Can Rush actually fit into a Volt? Maybe that’s his issue.

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So? That’s his opinion, now he has to like the same cars as you? and it would be helpful if the car had actually been sold. I happen to know alot about the Volt. It is impressive in it’s application of the hybrid technology, but it has a lot of quirks too. Certainly much better options for car of year. Hyundai Sonata for one is a better choice.

The Volt requires 14 hours to charge (4 hours at 240 volts, but that is bad for the batteries), cannot climb steep grades with out preparation, and the gas engine is very weak and relies heavily on the electric motors.

I could go on, but I get Motor Trend and they haven’t actually release their car of the year. That should come early ‘11.

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pat: If you don’t agree that’s fine. But if you say that it’s the END of Motor Trend and they have no credibility? That’s resorting to attack because you disagree. There’s no call for it, and it is pretty clear that his reasons for hating it have to do with his feelings about GM, which he hates because of the auto bailout, which he hates because he hates Democrats, etc.

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Adam
I, nor no one else said it couldn’t be car of the year. I’m sure all the stats are legit and to me are impressive in terms of gas mileage.

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I don’t care what either Rush or Motor Trend has to say regarding the Chevy Volt; I still think it looks ugly.

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I, nor no one else said it couldn’t be car of the year. I’m sure all the stats are legit and to me are impressive in terms of gas mileage.

You and no one else in this forum. And perhaps no one else with a rational brain. But Rush is the person I was referring to. It’s pretty clear he thinks it shouldn’t have been made car of the year.

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The real point is who can be the pettiest neocon around? Nothing good to say about anything hopeful. More of the same, quite child like pettiness.

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If you compare many of the models of popular cars on the market to the Volt, the electric car comes up wanting in several ways. First of all, the desires of the public for as good a ride as they can get for the money will out weigh their “green” obligation to the environment any day. The shopping public will immediately say,”What can I get for a comparable 40K”. A nice Tundra pickup, a GMC Yukon, a Ford Navigator, any number of so called “luxury” rides for the same price.
Compare the fuel savings. At a once a week fillup for a Tundra at about $55/wk, the average fuel cost for the Tundra would be about 2860/yr. Compare that with the Volt….. $20/wk or about $1040/yr. You can’t tell me that the average Joe Sixpack is going to buy a Chevy Volt to save himself 150/month and sacrifice his nice ride. Ain’t gonna happen. And where did the government get the right to spend tax payer dollars to allow GMC to develop a questionable car to sell to a doubting public? You might not like Rush but he has a point.

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MT doesn’t exactly have a spotless record with its ‘car of the year.’ Past winners include the PT Cruiser, Chevy Malibu, Chrysler 300, Ford Thunderbird and Dodge Caravan, among other less-than-stellar motorcars. On the other hand, the Volt got impressive reviews from both Car and Driver and Road & Track, which have more credibility than MT in my humble opinion. But as C&D pointed out, it’s a $40,000-plus compact car that can’t even be used as the main vehicle in most families.

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Looks like the Nissan Leaf gets twice the miles per charge for about $10K less in price……..interesting

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“I don’t think building cars that would be put out of commission by a small impact is a good idea. Smart people want value for their money.”

I am smart….I want value for my money….I would not buy, at any price, a tiny car that appeared to be unsafe given the area traffic and road conditions. But….if dummies and cheap people want to put their lives at risk…why not? Recall that they made the Geo Metro in a convertible…essentially two folding chairs in a box with an umbrella! Sure it passed safety standards, but if you have ever seen one out on I75 it would make you shudder – which is one reason why the thought of the Ta Ta not even being that safe makes me wonder how many people have died in them so far.

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Would Limbaugh fit in a Volt? I doubt it.

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Mea culpa, my last sentence should have stated the Prius, not the Volt.

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The age of the American public is getting older and has been for a while. I spent many years working in car dealerships and I learned what the number one thing is that older people look for, when they buy a car. Anybody know what that is?

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I’m just glad someone had the cajonies to talk back to Rush, and not rush out with an apology

No Republican that I’ve ever heard of would do such a disgraceful thing.

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What I want to know about the Volt is……how many cupholders does it have?

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If a woman owned two of the Indian cars, could she claim that she had the best set of TaTas in town?

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If the car is so damn great, why do the taxpayers have to subsidize it? Can’t Obama Motors sell their “Car of the Year”? Anything put together by union goons can’t be THAT great. It is nothing more than a novelty. Hang in there, Rush, and keep telling the truth – even though there isn’t a lib/dem with enough sense to see it!

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Where do they sell the tickets to Fantasy Land you Lefties enjoy? As to the challenge of no Conservatives posting a worthy rebuttal, please see my previous post referencing the George Will article on the Volt in last Sunday’s AJC. I searched for a link, but can’t find one.

Limbaugh only stated the obvious. The Volt will not be financially successful, even if someone in the administration got to the Motor Trend guy. The car is only on being built to satisfy the rabbid tree huggers. Obama supports it to satisfy that same group, aka, political payback. The price is ridiculous even with the rebate taken from the pockets of taxpayers. It will not be available in 44 states. And, to top off the green saga of the day, 25% of hybrid vehicles sold have been purchased by the Barry administration. There is no market for them.

The government should stay out of “green technology” else it will be screwed up like everything else it touches.

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Jimmy62@1:45 pm

Kind of like our yet to be seated elected officials

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Linsay Lohan is the new spokesperson for the ‘Smart’ car it was a tossup between her and Paris Hilton

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Every driving American should be required to buy a Volt by the year 2012.

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Does the Indian company make boats also? Everyone knows the best thing to do with Tatas is to go motorboating.

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“Everyone knows the best thing to do with Tatas is to go motorboating.”

Absolutely. Especially topless Tatas.

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“Every driving American should be required to buy a Volt by the year 2012.”

And the evil rich should pay higher taxes to subsidize the purchase for “those less fortunate among us”.

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Wonder if Todd Lassa is a conservative or a bleeding heart ultra left wing lib? Todd, you’ve got class, only problem is that it’s all LOW CLASS !!

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Sorry, this on got cut out of my last response:

kayaker 71: You can’t tell me that the average Joe Sixpack is going to buy a Chevy Volt to save himself 150/month and sacrifice his nice ride. Ain’t gonna happen

That depends. If you finance the car, you might see your monthly note go up by 100/month, and yet you save 150/month (and rising) on gas. I would say that’s a fair trade.

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I see the VOLT as a good step in the right direction. All cars should at least be hybrids. Take JUST the regenerative braking feature and the standard losses in energy that happen just to slow down a car now becomes energy that can be used to speed the car up again. Who wouldn’t want to get some free energy in everyday driving??
As electric cars and hybrids become more prevalent, costs do come down. It was mentioned that much of the materials are rare and in limited supply. Lithium, although limited in abundance is one of the rare materials that will not be needed in future generations of automobiles. New substances that can do the same or better than the current materials are constantly being researched.

I just don’t have the space to refute all the reasons against hybrids and electrics. But for those spouting some sort of partisan reason (either for or against) are missing the bigger picture of progress of technology, in energy consumption and conservation, and personal preference.

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I love progress in technology and and conservation!

May we have more please?

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Chris D. :

Thanks for the safety link @ 1:02 PM (just got back from the store). I think I’ll pass. That with the 40 grand price tag is kind of a deal killer. Heck, I can get a scooter for in town stuff for 2 grand……… Most of the day to day places I go are within 5 miles of me.

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“Take JUST the regenerative braking feature and the standard losses in energy that happen just to slow down a car now becomes energy that can be used to speed the car up again. Who wouldn’t want to get some free energy in everyday driving??”

How about we just go around and fix all of the darn traffic signals in town so they actually make traffic flow efficiently? For example, how about not having to stop at a stoplight on a main roadway at 2am when there is nobody (nobody) coming through the cross street? Think of all of the energy we could all save if we didn’t have to sit in line at a light that lets 5 cars through at a time from a line of 50 during rush hour and then sit for 3 minutes while there is a green-light for a virtually empty cross street.

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emo

November 24th, 2010
1:03 pm

Thanks, kayaker, I read the whole thread looking for someone who knew the Volt was not just an electric car.
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Gee did you read the whole thread looking for someone to state they spoke English as well? The article mentioned it was a hybrid, why do we need to state the obvious?

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Hillbilly:

Four doors?

I look for leg room, head room and a big trunk. I would love it if they’d make cars without consoles. I hate those things.

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“Just remember: driving and Oxycontin don’t mix”

That’s funny right there. The Chevy Volt is an excellent marvel of technology for sure but at a list of just over $40,000………not sure it is Car of the Year material. The Chevy Cruze would be a better choice and with the savings you could by over 4600 gallons of gas at $3 a gallon. The Buick Regal or new Hyundai Sonata Turbo would also make good choices.

My Car of the Year however….The Ferrari 458 Italia.

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Hmmm, it’s still a Government Motors product and I WILL NEVER buy another, PERIOD!

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Pennsylvanian

– I’d like to shove my carbon footprint up your…..You green people make me SICK! Go hug a tree!

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You can make fun of Limbaugh all you want about the oxycontin but that guy has more knowledge in his left pinky about economics than our President does. Obama has never had a private sector job so what does he know about meeting payroll or better yet putting his money at risk like many of us do.
On the Volt thing, was government money used for that? I would love to have that luxury. BTW, what are these people going to use to charge this car? Oh that’s right we can’t build nuclear or electrical power plants.

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I dunno Pennsylvanian. I like the new Camaro. I haven’t ridden in one nor do i know it’s specs, but it has that old “muscle car” look that I grew up with. Although I just googled the ‘Stang. It looks nice too.

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“Pennsylvanian

– I’d like to shove my carbon footprint up your…..You green people make me SICK! Go hug a tree!”

You apparently have me confused with someone else. I drive a F150 SuperCrew 4×4 and a Cadillac STS. I don’t think that qualifies me as ‘green’. Go back and read for comprehension. You missed something the first time.

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joe

November 24th, 2010
2:31 pm

You can make fun of Limbaugh all you want about the oxycontin but that guy has more knowledge in his left pinky about economics than our President does. Obama has never had a private sector job so what does he know about meeting payroll or better yet putting his money at risk like many of us do.
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Really? Please enlighten me with the businesses Mr. Pill Popping reclassified to 4F college drop out Rush Limbaugh has started or even run? He’s an EMPLOYEE not an EMPLOYER.

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Pennsylvanian

My apology but this sounds pretty green to me….If it turns out the Volt has negative net carbon payback, it will be detrimental to the environment

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Ah yes, the MTCOTY Chevy Vega, a car whose resale value fluctuated from day to day depending on how full the gas tank was.

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The Vega was a head gasket saleman’s dream.

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Is Obama a “natural born” citizen? I think not. What say you?

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Hillbilly Deluxe, I’m not sure most who post here even come close to knownig what a head gasket is. They may think it’s something to do with sex!

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Limbaugh is his own corporation and if you don’t realize that don’t respond to my post.
You tools can keep talking pill popping references but do you even realize that his had made it to the top of his profession & he is deaf. I thought you liberals were the sensitive lot.

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Just look at some previous award winners: The list includes the 1960 Chevy Covair (unsafe at any speed), the ‘80 Chevy Citation (front-wheel drive – what an innovation), the Chevy Vega (what, no Ford Pinto?), the Chrysler K-Cars, and the ‘97 Chevy Malibu.

Link, please

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Trend_Car_of_the_Year

Ah, Wikipedia – the source of all knowledge.

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williebkind: I dislike Rush because he is a lout, a druggie AND a hypocrite. His politics have nothing to do with it. I was an avid Boortz listener for probably 20 years or so until he sold out to the Republicans and started toting the mail for them. He’s lost his creativity and isn’t allowed to express his thinking any more. As to Rush? The first time I listened to him was right after the Republicans took control of Congress for the first time in 50 years. They were holding up some of Clinton’s appointments. Not because there was any reason for them to do so, but just because they COULD. How do I know this? It was the topic on Rush’s show that day and he was laughing gleefully about it. I was disgusted and never really paid him much mind after that.

I don’t watch Fox news either. Why you might ask because it’s not left wing? No I would have to reply, because they aren’t trustworthy or credible (never watch 60 minutes for the same reason). You see at the beginning of their existence, FOX news rushed to “report” something that just was true. I couldn’t trust them to give me the truth. They may have changed, I don’t know. they screwed me in the front end so I don’t trust them now.

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Well, I can’t hardly wait till my buddy Jim Earl gets ahold of this idea and goes to work on one of the golf carts up at Countryland Golf Club. You won’t see real Progress on electric cars till he’s finished. He’ll soup it up to go 80 mpg and travel 400 miles before a refill. We don’t have a real electric car now because nobody’s invited Rednecks to join the team. The nice part will be we can drive it to the course and right onto the cart paths.

And I agree with the guy that says some of these warning labels just keep dumb people alive. Why do we need to have “Do Not Drink” on all the anti-freeze containers? Seems to me we’d be alot better off if the dumb people just drunk the stuff to their heart’s content. In a few years there’d be nothing but smart people on this earth.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving everybody.

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mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama – BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE! – Hmmm, it’s still a Government Motors product and I WILL NEVER buy another, PERIOD!

Yeah, talk to me in 10 years. When you’ve either become senile or you’ve realized that car companies are not ACTUALLY run by the government.

joe – You can make fun of Limbaugh all you want about the oxycontin but that guy has more knowledge in his left pinky about economics than our President does

That’s BS. First of all, private sector job doesn’t mean you know crap about payroll anyway. Private sector business owner or manager maybe. And he has plenty of people in his cabinet who do have that knowledge. At least you didn’t stoop to the falsehood of saying his cabinet doesn’t know anything either. Plus, running a business at all doesn’t mean you’re actually good at it, or that you work the numbers yourself at all. All Rush has to do is sit in a chair and speak. The rest of the work is done FOR him. He doesn’t know economics any more than a McDonald’s worker who just takes orders does.

JohnnyReb: how can a car not yet on the market, that won’t be sold in 44 states, requires a taxpayer funded rebate to put it near 40K, and at best is a tree huggers wet dream, be crowned car of the year?

Answer – they do this all the time, every year, before the cars are released. They have since before the fantasy world of conservatives believes that the government took over the ENTIRE car industry. If you need further answers to your questions you need only read the response quoted in the main blog post here.

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joe

November 24th, 2010
2:44 pm
Limbaugh is his own corporation and if you don’t realize that don’t respond to my post.
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So? Who does he EMPLOY? He is syndicated or EMPLOYED on a sub contract basis by Premiere Radio Networks. I know this is all a bit much for you too understand so I’m typing as slowly as I can so you can keep up.

Incorporation is done for tax reasons. Many “sole proprietorship’s” are “corporations.” It is quite clear from your comments that you really have zero understanding of the subject you are addressing. I would suggest you educate yourself a little.

For now? Go back to the kids table, finish drinking your milk out of your sippy cup and let the adults talk.

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“Or Hope & Change opining about the Constitution.”

Dave R, do you think before you post? A constitutional scholar, Harvard Law graduate, president of the Harvard Law Review and constitutional law professor at a major university and you post such mindless ignorance. You may wipe the egg off your face now.

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AngryRedMarsWoman

November 24th, 2010
2:59 pm

1964 GTO convertible….sigh…my heart is aflutter now
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That’s just your pace maker acting up because you are standing too near the microwave.

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Y’all realize that Mr. Lassa did exactly what Mr. Limbaugh wanted. RL is an entertainer that thrives on controversy. Mr. Lassa kept this controversy alive. If MT had ignored the comments, then RL would have moved onto the next thing – likely Jennifer Grey’s shocking upset of Bristol Palin in DWTS thanks to a liberal voting block.

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Todd Lassa of Motor Trend just removed any credibility his magazine ever had when he exposed his hostility toward the Republican Party and his LDS (Limbaugh Derangement Syndrome). The Volt is a product of the Government Motors that took stolen funds in the billions from the American taxpayers. Will not buy or own a GM car. Ford is the only reliable AMERICAN car and I will replace my present GM car with a Ford next week.
And thanks Rush for being a great American! I’m a Rpublican (the AMERICAN party) and Motor Trend has offended me this American.

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I’m not making fun of Limbaugh. G-d made the fun. I’m just laughing.

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I’m with you on that one Josef. I laugh at limbaugh, not with him.

When ever I wonder HOW Deal could get elected as Governor, I only have to remember how many people think Rush is the guardian of the truth……….

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The list from Motor Trend themselves.

http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/car_of_the_year_winners/index.html

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I foresee fueling centers that have a waiting area for drivers who have to recharge their electric cars. TV, internet access, games for the kids while you wait for recharging. Also, restaurants and stores will have charging areas available while you eat and shop, with a small fee for electricity used. They could put the recharging area right next to the Handicapped Parking, because that is what they will be, handicapped by the cost, the limited range, and the inconvienence of electric cars.

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Hillbilly Deluxe ” I answered the question at 2:28.”

I still like my answer better…..sex is what everyone is looking for, isn’t it? I know that the older I get the more I am looking for it. In the car, in the kitchen, on the floor….heck, even when the TSA is searching me on Friday…bring your cameras.

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@ Hillbilly Deluxe: You did? LOL I figured you were just shaking your head and left it alone. (I didn’t remember who posed the question, just the answer she gave)

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Now listen how you bloggers are personally attacking Rush. You are making fun of his disability! You can not forgive him for taking legal drugs gotten possibly and controversially illegally but is now clean. But it is ok to be here illegal. Rush’s program is not a news program but a commentary. He announces out loud that he is a republican and only republicans can save the day IF they stick to republican values. Rush’s opinion is just a sound as anybody’s opinion and Rush’s opinion is formed from real fact based research. There liberals is where you are left behind.

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Car of the Year, Pulitzer, what else can this great man accomplish beforew he is booted out in 2012 by Hildabeast? Maybe getting the economy going and cut spending and worry about the little freak in North korea and start taxing China imports and….you know, important stuff.

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Dontcha think the former head of the CIA, and the former POTUS (Clinton) would’ve vetted out PRESIDENT Obama as a candidate?

I mean really, what do you think Panetta and Hillary weren’t digging for every scrap of evidence they could get to beat him in the elections? your conspiracy theories are therefore ridiculous

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what about Rove and Bush (also former head of the CIA)? these boys can get dirt on anybody on the planet!

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I’ve been driving my GMC truck for over 200,000 miles. It’s still running strong my friend. Buy American

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The problem with electric cars is that the driver is enveloped in a strong electromagnetic field. No, that’s not gonna cause a rise in the rate of cancer. There’s no evidence that electromagnetism is dangerous to humans. Why, it’s good for them, or else how could you explain Frankenstein and the way he was brought to life with electricity?

Only a Dolt don’t like the Volt.

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Once again, Rush gets the last laugh. As many of the comments above show, he is a past master at enticing liberals to foam at the mouth. I heard his comments on the radio. His main point was that the Obama administration in buying a lion’s share of the Volt’s thus insuring the success of this alleged advance in automobiles from Government Motors. Where I come from this is called robbing Peter to pay Paul.

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joe

November 24th, 2010
2:44 pm
Limbaugh is his own corporation and if you don’t realize that don’t respond to my post.
You tools can keep talking pill popping references but do you even realize that his had made it to the top of his profession & he is deaf. I thought you liberals were the sensitive lot.
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Liberals are only sensitive about themselves, other liberals and leftist issues.

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I had a Ranger that was extremely comfortable, once you were in it. It was hell to get in and out of, with my legs and feet and all. When the motor finally blew up, at 240,000+ miles, I moved up to an F150, extended cab. Greatest thing since sliced bread.

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Mr. Limbaugh is PO’ed because a Bentley wasn’t the Car of the Year. From my limited experience with Mr. Limbaugh, he’s very negative about science and scientific advances and observations. He sort of reminds me of the mindset of the Catholic church in the 15th and 16th centuries. The Church felt it had all the answers — absolute power over the masses — and rejected scietific discoveries that made them look really stupid in the end.

But, in the end it’s hard to take Limbaugh seriously, he’s such a joke!

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“The Chevy Volt is a disaster. It is extremely expensive…The only people who are going to buy it are going to be very rich people who are going to park it outside their townhouse for ostentatious show of how virtuous they are while they drive around in their Cadillac Escalade.”

“This is a classic example of what happens when the political and ideological desires of an administration are imposed on a private company…It’s not how many jobs you create or even save, it’s can you sell a product in the market that will make a profit? Otherwise, it’s a farce.”

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I thought Limbaugh promised to move to another country if Obama won. Limbaugh has no credibility when it comes to grading cars and their performance. Maybe he should stick to drugs.

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1) Limbaugh slamming the car before he has driven it = stupid
2) response from Motor Trend = very wiity
3) Motor Trend voting a car that hardly anyone can buy based on availability = we don’t understand their criteria very well
4) People on this Blog slamming the car because it’s too “Liberal” = about as clueless as I’ve seen anyone be. (which I guess would include Rush)
5) People on this blog saying the Volt is the next best thing to sliced bread = not nearly as clueless, but you need to drive it to make this determination
6) The Volt doesn’t sell well because it’s too expensive compared to the Leaf or Prius = reality that wil soon come to pass.

For me, I’ll be in line for a 2012 hybrid of some sort unless there is an electric that has a range greater than 200 miles. (I’m looking at you TESLA MOTORS) Gas prices will continue to rise if we do not take major steps as a country to reduce our demand. Having an electric car that uses much more cheaply supplied plug-in power (and likely mostly free solar power), is what the future holds. There will be several steps until we get there. Just the same way there were several steps to move from horse & buggy to motorcar.

Prepare for it people, it’s coming!

. . . and it’s the 21st century, where the bleep are the flying cars????

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First person to mention Oxycontin in this debate loses. No-really. The shills are all on the side of the electric crap. Just let a Volt or a Leaf shut down in the second from the right lane on 285 and receive an overdose of 18-wheeler tracks, and the federal subsidy to get people to buy these environmental nightmares will have to be 100%. As for Motor Trend, who gives a rat’s rear what they name as car of the year. I am sure it too is populated by candy-arses that keep a rag soaked in kerosene in their back pocket to keep the flies off their lilly white arses. Meanwhile, just what damage is done to ye old mother earth to manufacture all those batteries?

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What the dittoheads never fail to realize is that it’s not we don’t have compassion towards someone who finds themselves addicted to drugs, it’s that we have no patience or understanding for Limpaugh’s hypocisy. According to his own words he should be in prison. After all he stated that’s were people who use drugs should be. You can say all the “but but but but it was legal drugs he was addicted to” all you want. What you are saying he’s your drug addict so it must be ok.

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Todd Lassa of Motor Trend just removed any credibility his magazine ever had when he exposed his hostility toward the Republican Party and his LDS (Limbaugh Derangement Syndrome).

This is exactly the kind of BS that needs to stop. Someone loses credibility because they think unfavorably of the Republican Party or one of its operatives? So I have to follow all GOP things unquestioningly in order to be credible. No, STFU. Go crawl back into your made up land where everyone has the same exact thoughts, emotions, etc as everyone else. Go back to your “utopia” known as Fox News.

ricardus: There is no evidence that Hussein Obama is a graduate of Harvard Law School, no evidence that he was president or editor of the Harvard Law Review, and he was never a “constitutional law professor at a major university” not even a minor university

Uh, there’s plenty of evidence. Obviously by “evidence” you mean “things Fox News/Rush/Beck says,” since the world of FACTS disagrees with you there.

Hey BC – I’ve been driving my GMC truck for over 200,000 miles. It’s still running strong my friend. Buy American

Thank you for being a new sane voice in the crowd. Goodness knows we need more.

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What a big big shame when people that say they love America and even wear a rist band American flag like Sarah Palin still DON’T trust American products. We love America but we want the president policies to fail. When the president fails we all fail. George W. Bush failed badly and look what is happening to us…..big fools.

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the problem with electric cars is this: where will we get a secure supply of dilithium crystals? The Klingons are hoarding their supply and the Ferengi shoot prospectors on sight.

Electrical warp drive was a tremendous advance in the horseless carriage. And I applaud the Chinese for inventing it. But answer me this: why is it that a half hour after you charge the battery, you want to charge it again?

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Actually, Rush likes his Maybach over the Bently

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Man who listens to Rush have limpbaughlls.

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“Government Motors” is a correct name. Apparently Motor Trend couldn’t defend its position like adultsw, with facts, but resorted to a sophomoric low blow. You leftist don’t get that you don’t have to be perfect in order to have an opinion. Their spokesman’s response shows that the Democrats do in fact own that particular magazine.

If you voted Republican, which the MAJORITY of America did last week, you should consider this choice and this rebuttal before buying another copy of that magazine.

Sincerely, stupid and mindless because I don’t agree with the liberals, I am

John Galt

PS- Can we discuss this choice again in this column after 1,000 Volts have been sold and those buyors have figured out how to recharge the batteries?

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I want to ask obama if the Volt is going to be sold in all 57 states.

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BADA BING: Who is praising Obama for this? I’m liberal and I know he had no hand in the design, creation, or anything except having helped the company stay alive through the bailout which is being paid back.

Oddly, the most capitalist thing Obama could have done is what he did: he invested in the company and he’s getting the company to give him a return on the investment. And no, I don’t mean the car. I mean the money is being paid back, with interest.

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Only a financially astute imbecile as Adam would consider shelling out $50B and getting back $7B and calling that a return of money with interest. I suppose the bond holders who were screwed in the whole thing should be happy now……..

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I think you missed the part where I said “being” paid back. As in, it isn’t over yet. They still owe money and are still paying it. Anyway your admission that we are getting some back is at least better than some other ridiculous arguments I’ve heard.

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Rush aggrivates the piss out of Book Man. Jay is such a turd.

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If it’s such a great car, why do taxpayers have to subsidize it with a $7500 rebate?

Uh… they don’t? WTF do you think a rebate is? Do you think other dealers don’t have rebates?

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That is incorrect. Other dealers also get tax credits and have always gotten rebates. Look it up.

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Of you old enough to remember, the GM Vega was Car of The Year. The only GM Car of Year that wasn’t a looser was the Corvette.

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I’ll keep my V-8 gas guzzler. Liberal weenies, green-necked hippies (they never wash), elitist magazine writers and effete newspaper columnists can suck the tailpipe on my AMG.

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Good to see someone call that fat, uninformed, druggie what he is. Can’t believe people listen (very long) to that fool.

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Rush Limbaugh get more “gas mileage” than any automobile!

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First of all..to all the Obama cool aid drinkers out there..the Volt was planned waaaaaay before GM pulled it’s fake bankruptcy and the O facilitated the largest payoff to Unions every foisted upon ANY citizenry ever!!!! Second, this POS requires at least a 7.5k bribe to have people look at it..much like Toyota has to subsidize the horrible Prius….(like you giving your friend $100 to date your sister)…Third, what do you do with the stupid used up batteries after this junk heap has expired…Fourth. Motor Trend is the weasel of all Car Magazines..I have read all of them since high school…..Fifth, a coal burning plant will be required to produce power for this idiot mobile because the envrio weenies will not allow nukes or hyrdo plants to make the electricity these boring cars will require..and lastly….if the market wants any of these stupid cars they will get wait in line for them..not happening…

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Taxpayers, not dealers, are paying the rebates to get folks to buy this turd. Nice try at misdirection, Adam, but you failed.

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Have you seen the Volt? If you had you would not want it and the people that buy it would be just a status symbol. This is Obama’s and his Unions dream car and our nightmare as tax payers.

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Limbaugh is a tool. He has not even driven the car, eh? But he rips the car anyways. Nice. Does he review books without reading them, too?

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What if the free market would have been allowed to function and GM would have gone under? We would probably have a new car company right now started by ex GM workers who want to make a quality car the public is asking for, kinda like Saturn?
Interesting when Eastern Airlines was allowed to fail, the airline industry didn’t cease to exist. If there is market/public demand then someone will fill the void because there is OPPORTUNITY for many involved.

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Don………when did you stop beating your “partner”?

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Adam@11PM – the $7500 is not a manufacturers rebate; its a Government tax credit – money out of the pocket of everyone who TRULY pays taxes. The whole GM scenario is a publicity scam, just like GM paying back some owed the government. GM paid it back using Stimulus funds received from Obama. It was like paying your VISA bill with your Master Card.

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JohnnyReb – Other cars have tax credits that the consumer can put on their taxes. It’s not all GM.

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JoeSquid: Motor Trend rated the car on more than just “it’s green.” And I don’t think the general U.S. public is being “forced” into a “Green Movement.” You may have a different view if you live in an area where there are a lot of people who want to be green and pass laws to make it happen, but that doesn’t happen everywhere, not even in most places.

Plus, disposal of the batteries is about the same as any other car service – you’re unlikely to be handling the dirty work when you just bring your car in for service. You just pay for all the fees etc.

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LBB: It’s a government incentive to get a fuel efficient car. Aside from that, what are you worried about? I thought these things won’t sell very well? Surely the taxpayer doesn’t have to foot that much of a bill if very few of these cars are sold, right?

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For much less than the kind of absurd money this hippie-turkey auto costs, you could get a VW GTI, a vehicle that combines turbo-power, handling, utility and good gas mileage.

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LBB: There you go about the range, proving that you have only heard and repeated something. The 40 mile range is not true, and I and several others in this very post have told you that already. There is no “range” on a hybrid, plus it goes a lot further on a full charge than 40 miles. Get your facts straight. Again.

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The range issue is not the prime reason for why it will flop. It is neither stylish nor powerful, but the main strike against it is simple market economics: It is way overpriced for the features it promises.
Not good value for the money. That a few auto journalists have a hard on for it is totally meaningless as far as translating into real sales to real people. These lemmings will continue to flock to the Civic (even though the VW Jetta is completely superior).

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There IS NO RANGE ISSUE. It’s a HYBRID!

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Mr.Lassa is clearly an unhinged, hate filled libbtard as demonstrated by his statement personally attacking Mr. Limbaugh, who could buy and sell Lassa’s rag if he chose to.

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EPA says the “Car of the Year” goes 35 miles on it’s battery before needing to connect to a coal fired power plant for a recharge. EPA finds that after the battery dies it gets 37 mpg burning gasoline.

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Wow, 37 MPG was better than I expected. Nice.

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