GOP blinded by its anti-Obama jihad

Norm Ornstein, a scholar with the conservative American Enterprise Institute, looks on in bafflement at the behavior of Senate Republicans. For example, he writes in Roll Call, “I cannot fathom why they are doing what they are doing” in trying to block ratification of the START treaty:

“The failure of START in the Senate would endanger future cooperation and be a major embarrassment to (Russian President Dmitry) Medvedev and a big boost to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. It would also devastate the existing regime of inspection over nuclear arms, ramping up the danger of nukes getting into the hands of highly undesirable people and groups…  The Russian willingness to work with us and the Europeans on a missile defense system will melt away if START falters.”

Ornstein is equally befuddled and appalled by the blanket refusal of Republican senators to support the DISCLOSE Act, which would require corporations to reveal the huge campaign donations made legal by the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision. The DISCLOSE ACT would “bring sunlight to the outrageous, anonymous huge funders who played a major role in the 2010 campaigns, hiding behind the cloak of 501(c)(4)s run by groups cynically manipulating weak IRS enforcement of the law,” Ornstein writes.

“Voters support disclosure by overwhelming margins. So do Supreme Court justices — by 8-to-1. The only chance to provide it is in the lame-duck session; the bill passed the House in the 111th Congress and has zero chance of making through the 112th House. If the Senate does not act now, disclosure is dead….

So where are the previous champions of campaign finance reform? Where is Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), whose greatest legislative accomplishment was given a sharp stick in the eye by a 5-4 decision on the Supreme Court? Where are previous supporters of reform — and professed supporters of disclosure — such as Republican Sens. Susan Collins (Maine) and Scott Brown (Mass.)? And most important, where is Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), who has always been an independent voice, whose Snowe-Jeffords amendment to the campaign reform law was the provision most assaulted by the Citizens United case, who stood up to immense pressure from Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Republican leaders in 2002 to do the right thing?….

The urgent need to raise more and more money will lead inevitably to more and more corruption, trading votes or other favors for campaign cash, or shaking down prospective donors. But disclosure at least can provide some counterweight. It will be beyond disappointing if somehow McConnell can mesmerize or intimidate every one of the erstwhile reformers above to ignore their principles.”

Mr. Ornstein, prepare to be profoundly, repeatedly disappointed. As these and other examples demonstrate, congressional Republicans have no interest in governing — they don’t even have much interest in politics as it is normally understood. They have convinced themselves and their followers that the continued presence of Barack Obama in the White House represents a danger so fundamental to the country’s future that fighting him justifies ignoring every other problem put together, from national security to open elections to the economy, and they are intent on acting on that belief.

This is a holy war, and it’s going to get ugly in ways that even now are difficult to fully imagine.

257 comments Add your comment

Fred

November 24th, 2010
7:59 am

So what’s new?

why is the trickle down yellow?

November 24th, 2010
8:01 am

Jay – they haven’t found a way to give Halliburton the contract yet

Fred

November 24th, 2010
8:05 am

What’s that supposed to mean trickle? Haliburton has been doing the dirty work since AT LEAST the Clinton Administration, and usually with a no bid contract. That lie is old. The republicans do enough dirty deeds without you having to lie about them. Stick to the truth, it will serve you better.

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
8:07 am

Voters support disclosure by overwhelming margins.

I’m so old I can remember when Republicans were insisting that healthcare reform had to be stopped dead, dead I say! in its tracks because the word “Obamacare” wasn’t polling well.

Good times!

Call it like it is

November 24th, 2010
8:07 am

Didnt we have this same discussion Monday. Is Wednesday left over day?

Fred

November 24th, 2010
8:09 am

And in breaking news, one day too late for the blog on the topic, Velma Hart was laid off…………..

Sunny's Share

November 24th, 2010
8:10 am

Normal

November 24th, 2010
8:11 am

I can’t help but wonder if this same kind of overt hatred toward President Obama would have been the same if Hillary Clinton was President. It saddens me deeply to think that one of our political partys would stoop to play on primal fears just to win elections.

When will the GOP give specifics as to how they will fix things? Why is getting President Obama their number one priority and not getting jobs back and improving our economy?

Why is a tax cut for the rich more important than unemployment benefits for those who can’t find work?

Just exactly to whom have the GOP sold their souls?

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
8:13 am

I can’t help but wonder if this same kind of overt hatred toward President Obama would have been the same if Hillary Clinton was President

of course it would. It’d probably be worse. Misogyny is about a dozen times more socially acceptable than is racism.

Fred

November 24th, 2010
8:13 am

That makes me wish I was a horse Sunny…………….

Jimmy62

November 24th, 2010
8:13 am

Is Obama going to reveal all the anonymous foreign donations paid by credit card to his campaign? I think not, and I doubt you will ever call for him to do so.

Hypocrisy, thy name is liberal.

Granny Godzilla

November 24th, 2010
8:16 am

Damn the GOP for their party first garbage.

JohnnyReb

November 24th, 2010
8:19 am

Beware of anything that just has to happen today, whether it is buying a used car or passing a treaty. If its a good thing, it will be good in the new Congress.

Just me

November 24th, 2010
8:21 am

Democrats are the ones blinded by Obama. And, GG, party first is better than socialism first.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 24th, 2010
8:22 am

Well, I might of knowed Bookman would start the day with a attack on Republicans. There’s no good reason to pass this treaty right away. We’ll get around to it right after we get this Kenyan out of the White House. First we’ll blast him a little for giving our Security away. Later we’ll blast him for not passing a treaty and making us safe. This stuff takes time. Before all that stuff we got to give him a working over for letting N. Korea by with attacking S. Korea. We got to make him look like the 90-lb. weakling that he is.

Have a good day everybody.

Voice of Reason

November 24th, 2010
8:23 am

As a fiscal and social conservative (not to be confused with a Republican), I have nothing but disdain for the majority of Obama’s policies and tactics. However, (I can not believe I am about to write this) in this case, I agree with you Bookman (ouch! Like Fonz saying he was ‘wrong’, I may not could have spoken those words…)

Happy Thanksgiving!

God bless the USA!

Pro business, anti obama

November 24th, 2010
8:23 am

Our earnestly-industrious Founding Fathers were proudly pro-business, so they did not use pseudonyms when they signed the philatelist-inspired Declaration of Independence and risked the necktie-party with the business-unfriendly King. (RSVP!) Today, fairly-lazy, yet cunning Darjeelingists’ backlash against Barack Obama is a barometer of the back-to-the-future, deja-vu view that lazze-faire economic policy, even it if results in catastrophe,(Bear Sterns et al), provides more growth and security.

The democrats have to understand that experiments in entitlements like Mao’s Cultural Revolution are as effective as Moe, Larry and Curly’s foray into High Society in episode 39: Everyone involved ended up with pie on their face. Thus socialism’s entitlementalists have no viable alternative but to duck, (saucily)..

We are stuck with unbridled capitalism and the accompanying wars that will ultimately destroy us. The point here is that if we nuke Korea and Iran now we probably will win, with maybe 20 million Americans and Allies killed, 50 million tops. But we have to strike now, today.

The bombing will begin in five minutes.

Think of the growth.

Jay

November 24th, 2010
8:23 am

Jimmy, you cannot disclose something that doesn’t exist in the first place.

And it’s telling that Republican hatred of Obama is so intense and over the top that you and others feel the need to invent things in order to try to justify it.

Granny Godzilla

November 24th, 2010
8:23 am

and damn the mindless who don’t know socialism from an ice cream social.

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
8:24 am

Beware of anything that just has to happen today, whether it is buying a used car or passing a treaty. If its a good thing, it will be good in the new Congress.

Or getting a job. After all, there are more important things to do today such as defund NPR.

vince neil

November 24th, 2010
8:24 am

Hey Jay…..Keith Oberman called..he wants all of his posts back….Happy Thanksgiving Turkeys!

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
8:24 am

“congressional Republicans have no interest in governing — they don’t even have much interest in politics as it is normally understood.”
That has some truth to it. Less government means less interest for intruding into all American lives. The normal understanding of politics is what the American people are sick of and repudiated that on Nov 2. Praise the GOP for sticking to their values and traditions that doesnt change with an erection or some vile disgusting sexual desire.

Where's My Party?

November 24th, 2010
8:25 am

“Damn the Democrat for their party first garbage”

There. Fixed your typo.

Chris

November 24th, 2010
8:25 am

Jihad?

Seriously?

independent

November 24th, 2010
8:25 am

The Republicans have looked into the evil orb and desire the ring. Now their souls are corrupted and they will do anything to get their prize. Not realizing nor caring that possession of the ring means their soul will also be possessed, they will be but puppets.

Jay

November 24th, 2010
8:25 am

Yes.

Seriously.

Normal

November 24th, 2010
8:26 am

Jimmy62

November 24th, 2010
8:13 am

Just me

November 24th, 2010
8:21 am

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You guys are the reason America will never be the same. You have forgotten that we were founded
on principles understanding and tolerance to the difference of others.

Why are you so fearful of those who don’t think or look like you?

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
8:26 am

I know it’s not going to happen. But a very smart, if rude, man laid out exactly what Democrats needed to do in the lame duck sessions, several weeks ago.

I’m not sure I really want to know why they don’t/aren’t doing this. But they’re not.

anyway, here it is, reprinted and cleaned up a bit for your dining and dancing pleasure. The Dems should at least manage two of the four things proposed below. They likely won’t do any. Well, maybe Item #1. But that’ll be it.

Discuss.

====

1. The absolute easiest thing you can do: Get rid of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Do this and all those gay votes that went away will come home, and the non-gay supporters will be able to point to a concrete promise kept.

2. There’s gonna be tax cuts of some sort, even though there shouldn’t be. Use reconciliation to pass middle class tax cuts. Leave the tax cuts for the wealthy for the new Congress so that the incoming House is put in the position of having to vote for rich people to get more money.

3. And attach everything else you want to the reconciliation tax bill: energy legislation, unemployment benefits extension, whatever. The rules allow it. The Republicans will howl like dogs who got kicked in the anus, but, again, again, again, Democrats need to treat Republicans like the dishonorable [bleep]ers they are.

4. Pass the Disclose Act. The bull[excrement] excuse Republicans used for opposing it was that it was an election year stunt. Okay, it’s not an election anymore. Let’s get a little of the anonymous corporate money out of the process. If the bill is filibustered, make them own it and answer for it for the next two years. (This is perhaps the most naively optimistic part of a generally naively optimistic post here.)

As the Rude Pundit writes this, Mitch McConnell, who, it should be noted, is the [bleep]ing minority leader, is talking as if he is in charge now, as if he runs the Senate. And why the [bleep] not, since he essentially did for the last couple of years? Use the next couple of months, dear, defeated Democrats, to walk away with some dignity and not allow yourselves to be whipped out of town by the rats and the bullies.

Jay

November 24th, 2010
8:26 am

… because “crusade” doesn’t quite capture the fervor and fury behind it.

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
8:27 am

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
8:24 am
“Or getting a job. After all, there are more important things to do today such as defund NPR.”

Well you choose which laws we should enforce. I understand that makes two laws you think we should ignore, illegal immigration & violation of rules concerning using federal money.

El Jefe

November 24th, 2010
8:30 am

Gee. call me a conservative, but aren’t there more important items to handle during the lame duck session?

A treaty can be done anytime, but items like extending the current tax code seems a bit more in line with helping the working American folks.

Logic 05

November 24th, 2010
8:31 am

I’ve started to notice a trend with Jay’s posting.
Democrats = Good
Republicans = Evil
Obama = Genius
All Republicans = Morons

Deep Throat

November 24th, 2010
8:31 am

Damn the dumocrats for their blind patronage to Obama

Chris

November 24th, 2010
8:33 am

Disclosure would be fine as long as ALL UNIONS are treated the same as other corporations.

Fred

November 24th, 2010
8:35 am

“… because “crusade” doesn’t quite capture the fervor and fury behind it.”

Interesting analogy. It also has our cultural bias included in it. Both words suggest a “holy war.” A “crusade” by western standards is a holy, noble thing. Yet we view a jihad as in irrational act called for by fanatics and suggests rampant indiscriminate violence………….

geigh bookmen

November 24th, 2010
8:35 am

so whats in it for you jay?

want to marry your boyfriend finally? have an abortion?

Reality

November 24th, 2010
8:35 am

Republicans are doing what they are doing soley because The President is BLACK, which scares them to into beleiving they have “lost” their country and they are acting out. Sad but too obvious not for someone to mention the TRUTH.

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
8:36 am

The progressive liberals are really going to get funny and nasty. I love their penchant efforts to defend socialism and Obama.

georgedawg

November 24th, 2010
8:37 am

Jay, 11/2/2010 election results tell how much the public ,in general, likes Obama. Just think if you didn’t let people vote unless they qualified to by paying income taxes. ie they weren’t just voting because of what they get from the Obama/democrats.
Obama’s appointments and agenda is what sunk him.
Between you and Tucker you are going to drive the AJC out of business. Since your both incredibly lousy journalist with a liberal head up your butt agenda you’ll be sunk, too.

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
8:37 am

anti-Obama jihad

Well, they do consider themselves to be the “party of God”, so there’s a kind of consistency I guess.

(in Arabic, that’s translated as “Hezbollah.” just so it’s clear.)

Normal

November 24th, 2010
8:39 am

About the START Treaty thing…someone help me understand. As a reason for war with Iraq, wasn’t the Republican catchphrase, “don’t let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud”?

Isn’t START a verification/inventory of the nukes of ours and the Russians?

Aren’t we afraid of, without the treaty and its verification, terrorists getting nukes and…gee…having the smoking gun be a mushroom clould?

How does this help our countries security, a supposed GOP standard?

Someone please explain that to me…really.

Rightwing Troll

November 24th, 2010
8:40 am

With all that’s wrong with the economy, why in the f$%k are we even discussing don’t ask don’t tell?

The Dems are just as dissappointing as the hate baggers these days.

Health care is important, but we had bigger fish to fry.

The “conservatives” represent more of McSame, and now so do the Dems.

Instead of looking for fresh blood and ideas, they affirm Pelosi’s failed leadership. While over across the aisle the “conservatives” sweep back into power without even pretending to have any ideas or answers.

Mick

November 24th, 2010
8:40 am

Unfortunately, this is the country we have become not the country we wish we were. Factor in the possibility of president palin or another term for obama, and the divisions seem to be sustained for years to come. Meanwhile, the country keeps unravelling with no end in sight – bummer.

Joe the Plutocrat (the artist formerly known as paleo-neo-Carlinist)

November 24th, 2010
8:40 am

yawn. I feel like I’m sitting on the couch, drifting asleep watching football. of course the GOP is “blinded” by Obama, and it is there “play” to blind their base, and any “exhausted” folks on the fence with fabrications, distortions and allegations about everthing from birth certificates to faith, to place of birth.

andygrdzki

November 24th, 2010
8:41 am

“Don’t blame Kyl for START treaty holdup”, see http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2010/11/21/20101121kyle-start-treaty-robb.html
Since this is not from the Washington Post, or Huffington, or NYT, it will be reject by you Dems and libs…. We all know you are the only ones that are correct……LOL..LOL..LOL…
The hatred exhibited by you Dems and libs of former President Bush, talk about a jihad…. Or have you for gotten that….

Joe the Plutocrat (the artist formerly known as paleo-neo-Carlinist)

November 24th, 2010
8:41 am

“THEIR play”

ml

November 24th, 2010
8:41 am

the hatred towards obama has been absolutely evil, every christian that has taken part in it should be ashamed of themselves. you don’ t have to like the guy and i disagree on some things he has done, but the hatred towards him and the mean things i’ve seen people say and do are just horrible. on the same scale as the hatred of the jews in nazi germany. their focus is hate, and that hate is killing country. and just so you know, when you go out of your way to hurt america, it means you are not a patriot!

Fred

November 24th, 2010
8:42 am

jay,

Could you explain to me the sudden urgency in the START treaty? It expired on December 5, 2009. The current proposal was signed by President Obama and President Medvedev on April 8, 2010. That’s seven months ago? Why is it so urgent to do it NOW?

SORT is in place until 2012……….

Bye Bye Empire

November 24th, 2010
8:44 am

Good morning, halflings.

I’m not real familiar with Ornstein himself but it sure sounds like he’s yet another victim of the coup that’s taken place on the right and has scrambled our entire political spectrum. Nowadays, as has been observed, old school hawks and extremists like Henry Kissinger are dismissed as sissies. So, such fine sentiments as those of Mr. Ornstein will fall on deaf ears.

Instead, we have the troops who are busy catering to the folks – like our friend above “williebkind” – who have stumbled onto the stage of political debate with their mumbling about “socialism”, etc. You know ’socialism’, that old term that had seemed obsolete in the end of history 90s but has now been placed on the lips of the half-educated by the various blockbuster demagogues. These are the voices that get a hearing these days.

Government shutdown here we come …

zinc

November 24th, 2010
8:46 am

It cracks me up to see how bent out of shape the small minded conservatives get when Bookman posts ANYthing. I often feel sad for many of you living such an angry life. Attack the messenger, name call, raise irrelevant or non-existing issues–that’s all you got?

Deep Throat

November 24th, 2010
8:46 am

Jay you are becoming just like c.t. and we know that far from a compliment, you are constantly bashing people on the right , saying how they are fear mongering, perhaps its time to take a step back.
If a party disagrees with another party, what makes your party right ? In your mind or most peoples mind their ideology drives their decision, but, does that actually mean you are right. No sometimes we need to compromise, that is something Obama has not tried, he has stayed steadfast with his own agenda, even ignoring the majority of the people.
Has the GOP always been right, no, but as of late they have been more in tune with the country.
So when I hear you or anyone else party bashing , well that dog just won’t hunt.

barking frog

November 24th, 2010
8:48 am

Is there not a Democratic Majority in Both Chambers and
a Democratic President? How can the Republicans block
anything? If START is not ratified the Democrats must
block it.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
8:48 am

Does START preclude research into purely defensive systems, such as Reagan’s proposed SDI? The Russians say yes. Is that – alone – not sufficient reason to reject the treaty? Why would we totally disarm ourselves as the Iranians and NorKs ramp up their capacities for mass destruction.

Randy

November 24th, 2010
8:49 am

Jay do you ever stop to think about the reasons Conservatives hate Obama? Let me help you out.

# 1 Conservatives love their country
# 2 Conservatives are pro business
# 3 Conservatives believe if they earn something they should be allowed to keep it.
# 4 Conservatives don’t like the government taking their money and giving it to people who are too stinking lazy to get out of bed and go earn their own.
# 5 Conservatives think the government should be less intrusive in their personal lives.
# 6 If you started a business and it was your money laid out there at risk and it was your rear end if the business fails then don’t you think you should be the one handing out the pay raises and the benefits and not some government fed and supported union? It’s no wonder this country is in the shape it’s in.

Seeing any pattern here?

Another thing,

Let’s look at the TSA problems going on. If you wake up in the morning and wrap your pillow case around your head and then grab the corner of the bed sheet, roll out of bed and consider yourself to be dressed for the day then you belong in a different line at the airport than the grandmother who gets up brushes her teeth, takes a shower, puts on deodorant and perfume, then dresses herself in clothing that distinguishes her as an American.

You liberals cry out and howl at profiling but who exactly is it that is trying to bring this country to it’s knees? The grandmother or the raghead? You liberals are such hypocrites.

carlosgvv

November 24th, 2010
8:49 am

The Republican Party is utterly, totaly and completely owned by the big special business interests. Serving them is the one and only thing the Republicans are interested in. Once you fully understand this, their actions make perfect sense. Defense spending is big business so of course the Republicans will be against anything that would hurt military industrial-complex profits.

USMC

November 24th, 2010
8:50 am

Is this sort of like:

“DNC blinded by it’s ANTI-Bush jihad”

Unbelievable the Liberal hypocrisy!

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
8:50 am

Dear Bark @ 8:46, the Constitution requires treaties to obtain a 2/3s approval for ratification. GOP does have capacity to block.

Mint Berry Crunch

November 24th, 2010
8:50 am

Hey Sunn’y, you are one beat down behind. The Dem’s and Obama just got the beat down. Who would of thunk it just 2 years ago, but Obama is just so incompetent. America knew he was black when they elected him, but did not know he was a radical liberal socialist. America learned Obama’s true character and are now rejecting him.

lovelyliz

November 24th, 2010
8:51 am

The GOP isn’t governing. They are paid by the people to protect their big $$$$$$$$$$ corporate sponsors.

El Jefe

November 24th, 2010
8:52 am

Answer me this, with Democrat in control of the Senate, why not bring it up and let it get voted down fair and square?

Oh, maybe that is way, the lefties just want something to whine about and let the Bush era tax cuts expire – gee won’t that be grand for every working person – I mean conservative, the left is the party of free loaders and cry babies.

StJ

November 24th, 2010
8:52 am

“they don’t even have much interest in politics as it is normally understood”

Which is to say, they have no interest in blanket approval of Democrats’ agenda, regardless of attempted coercion or bribery. (applause) At least they’re half-listening to the voters.

Union

November 24th, 2010
8:53 am

“This is a holy war, and it’s going to get ugly in ways that even now are difficult to fully imagine.”

this is how words lose their true meaning..

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
8:53 am

Fred@8:35

“Yet we view a jihad as in irrational act called for by fanatics and suggests rampant indiscriminate violence………….:

Like in Britain they are teaching the children at school how to cut off arms and hands. Also, how to stone people to death. I know in your safe liberal socialist mind that is not fanatic. We are the fanatics right FRED?

barking frog

November 24th, 2010
8:53 am

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
8:50 am
””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
My bad. You are correct.

Fred Bastiat

November 24th, 2010
8:53 am

“This is a holy war,”

A holy it tis.

Those of the R & D party who worship the state and the sheeple they lead,

agin,

those few Americans who cherish liberty.

Joey

November 24th, 2010
8:53 am

Interesting comments coming from a man who was a Senior NCO in the 8-year-long un-holy war against Bush.

Fred

November 24th, 2010
8:54 am

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
8:50 am

Dear Bark @ 8:46, the Constitution requires treaties to obtain a 2/3s approval for ratification. GOP does have capacity to block.
+++++++++++++++

Shhhhhhh. Don’t stop him he’s on a roll. Bark is the one who wrote Bluto’s inspirational speech in Animal House where he said, “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor……..”

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
8:54 am

StJ

November 24th, 2010
8:52 am

Well stated and true.

Normal

November 24th, 2010
8:54 am

andygrdzki

November 24th, 2010
8:41 am

It still doesn’t explain why Kyle was for the treaty and now is not….unless it’s because President Obama is for it too. And we all know that no good Republican can be for what Obama’s for. Even if it might mean a terrorist smuggling in a nuke for say…the 4th of July.

Jay

November 24th, 2010
8:54 am

Ragnar asks:

“Does START preclude research into purely defensive systems, such as Reagan’s proposed SDI? The Russians say yes.”

The Americans say no, and we have made it clear that we will proceed accordingly. So that is yet another meaningless smokescreen and excuse created to justify opposition born out of Obama hatred, not policy.

Charles

November 24th, 2010
8:55 am

Hmmmm … wasn’t there a President in the White House right before Obama who was blindly hated by the Left?

RGB

November 24th, 2010
8:57 am

The real question is why does President Obama hate the American way of life as he is indeed intent on destroying it.

I could list the statistics on poverty, unemployment, home values, etc. as well as his foreign policy lapses–but these failures are well known and purposeful.

So I ask again, why does Obama insist on destroying American life as we have know it for many decades?

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
8:57 am

Well you choose which laws we should enforce. I understand that makes two laws you think we should ignore, illegal immigration & violation of rules concerning using federal money

I’d like to give you an appropriate response to your reply but I cannot figure out what the hell you’re talking about. How did you manage to completely change the original topic and treat it as though it were the end result of some extended discussion.

ken R

November 24th, 2010
8:58 am

Jay and Tucker mostly write about hate for Republicans and their deeds, is it any wonder why so many people on this blog foam at the mouth?

If they could write an objective peice I wonder how many would contribute something useful. They are just as much of the problem for perpetating hatered as anyone else. If you don’t believe that just read some of their old articles.

Bye Bye Empire

November 24th, 2010
8:59 am

Very well put, carlosgvv: “The Republican Party is utterly, totaly and completely owned by the big special business interests. Serving them is the one and only thing the Republicans are interested in. Once you fully understand this, their actions make perfect sense.”

Deep Throat: “Jay you are becoming just like c.t. and we know that far from a compliment, you are constantly bashing people on the right”

Pay attention, son. As I said above, this goes without saying because our ideological spectrum has been scrambled, so where there might have been some distance between their positions in the past, now that difference has been compressed.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
9:00 am

Dear Jay @ 8:54, so long as the language of the treaty as ratified includes the “American” clarification, I am on board. So long as the language omits the “American” clarification, I am opposed.

That language must be in the ratified language because the Supreme Court interprets treaties – which have standing equal to the Constitution itself – according to the language therein. You will surely agree that leftists do not accord with the “original intent” theory of Constitutional jurisprudence.

El Jefe

November 24th, 2010
9:00 am

It is my opinion, that whatever is good for American the left hates.

Therefore, it they want the START treaty ratified, then it must be bad for America.

If they oppose drilling for oil, then drilling for oil must be in the best interest of America.

If the President says he will bankrupt coal related businesses, then coal must be good for America.

If Congress votes to waste trillions of dollars on multi thousand page tomes, then I would have to say, they are bad for America.

And guess what, the mid term elections shows some others agree.

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
9:00 am

wasn’t there a President in the White House right before Obama who was blindly hated by the Left?

uh no. there wasn’t.

There was, however, a President who systematically abused the power of his office, made up a phony case to invade a country, and became one of the least popular Presidents in history prior to the end of his second term.

Bush earned most (certainly not all, but most) of the wrath directed at him, over the course of a number of years.

The hatred against Obama was immediate, and it came from the highest levels, beginning with the de facto head of the GOP saying “I hope he fails” and then, several months later, a real-life high ranking GOP senator speaking of how he hoped to “break” Obama, as if he were a piece of livestock.

Sunny's Share

November 24th, 2010
9:01 am

Hey Sunn’y, you are one beat down behind. The Dem’s and Obama just got the beat down. Who would of thunk it just 2 years ago, but Obama is just so incompetent. America knew he was black when they elected him, but did not know he was a radical liberal socialist. America learned Obama’s true character and are now rejecting him.

Perhaps in that parallel universe you live in, you dreams are reality. Welcome to this world and the reality here is that Obama whooped the good old boy party’s ass and he is still president. You lose.

Fred

November 24th, 2010
9:02 am

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
8:53 am

Like in Britain they are teaching the children at school how to cut off arms and hands. Also, how to stone people to death. I know in your safe liberal socialist mind that is not fanatic. We are the fanatics right FRED?
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First off Willie, I’m not a liberal. Far from it. Just because one isn’t a mindless brain dead tea partier doesn’t mean one is a liberal. I think for myself, a concept you would find incomprehensible since you seem to lack the ability to think or reason at ALL.

If you HAD an ounce of brains in your head, you could discern the subtle chastisement directed towards Jay for his choice of words. He deliberately chose the most inflammatory word that represents ‘holy war.” Jihad evokes a negative emotional response to the western trained mind. I was pointing that out. But I wouldn’t expect an insipid little man like you to understand, as you obviously didn’t. it was way too far over your head.

Hush now, the adults are talking. We’ll get back to the Sesame Street level so you can understand later. Boortz is on now isn’t he? You better go listen so you know what to think today………..

Jay

November 24th, 2010
9:02 am

And Fred, I would be pleased to explain why doing it now is important.

Ratification requires 67 votes, meaning in the lameduck session it will require the support of all Democrats and eight Republicans. As we’ve seen, getting eight Republicans is very difficult.

Come January, ratification will require the votes of 14 Republicans. If eight Republicans is almost impossible, how tough will 14 be? The treaty will die.

As you note, the treaty was signed in April, more than seven months ago. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee held hearing after hearing on it, finally approving it in early September, more than two months ago. There is no justification for delaying a vote further other than as a means of killing it.

Goldie

November 24th, 2010
9:03 am

The GOP is certified nuts today.

Gator Joe

November 24th, 2010
9:04 am

Jay,
President Obama and the Democrats, with their initiatives, have rescued our economy and saved the American auto industry. They have attempted to address the significant problems with healthcare and the securing of it by those who cannot afford it. All of these accomplishments, and more, over the obstruction of the Republicans. Progress will continue albeit slowly, because of continued Republican obstruction, and in spite of them.
President Obama’s only mistake has been reaching out to Republicans and their Fox-brainwashed supporters.
PS
At the root of all this opposition is good measure of bigotry.

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
9:05 am

Isn’t it about time for you compassionate conservatives to start getting some folks employed and off the unemployment checks so they can get a tax cut too.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

November 24th, 2010
9:07 am

Lions and Tigers and Bears, OH NO!

Let me assure you, whatever the Republicans do, it will not be enough, because they are too coopted by the Washington system. They not only need to fight the Dear Leader (he must be overjoyed at North Korea’s latest antics; he wishes he could be just like them) at every turn, they must repeal everything he has done to-date.

Foreign policy – he gets rolled at every opportunity (by design).
Campaign donations – corporate donations only level the playing field with the unions (that was not hard for even the liberal Supreme Court to figure out).

Bottom line, Jay – We can get more sense out of a billy goat than you, on a day-by-day, moment-by-moment basis.

Jay

November 24th, 2010
9:07 am

Article III of the treaty, Ragnar, states that “a missile of a type developed and tested solely to intercept and counter objects not located on the surface of the Earth shall not be considered to be a ballistic missile to which the provisions of this treaty apply.”

Lt. Gen. Patrick O’Reilly, director of the U.S. Missile Defense Agency, has testified repeatedly to congressional committees that New START does NOT constrain U.S. research into missile defense. Do you believe he is lying?

Larry

November 24th, 2010
9:08 am

It is amazing that the liberals (how dare they use the term progressives) deplore the “hatred of Obama” by the right when memories of their name calling of George W. Bush are well substantiated in the AJC’s own archives. It is amazing that we can’t disagree with someone’s policies and suddenly it becomes a personal attack on the person.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
9:08 am

Dear Jay @ 9:02, “Ratification requires 67 votes, meaning in the lameduck session it will require the support of all Democrats and eight Republicans. As we’ve seen, getting eight Republicans is very difficult.”

We would agree that most Republicans agree that this treaty holds dubious value for America. Why then do we favor a rush to a vote, other than for purely political reasons, when there is doubt among the emergent majority?

Charles

November 24th, 2010
9:09 am

Stands – Congress has to authorize the use of our military to go into places like Iraq, not a President. But like the mainstream Liberal press you never get your facts right. But, what can you expect when you listen to people like Jay? By the way, abuse of power is a good way to describe forcing people to buy health insurance nobody wants. That’s why your Party lost big in the mid-terms.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
9:11 am

Dear Jay @ 9:07, nice evasion. SDI – smart rocks – does not involve missiles. One should never confuse ignorance with lying.

Jay

November 24th, 2010
9:12 am

Well Ragnar, you just said that if the treaty explicitly allows research into missile defense, you would support it.

I have quoted the treaty, proving it contains the language you sought.

So surely now, as a man of your word, you support the treaty. Welcome aboard.

here comes April

November 24th, 2010
9:12 am

and the GOP can’t wait to shut down the government. in the meantime, the GOP has to do everything in its power to shut down ANY successful effort by this president.

pathetic and unpatriotic

Fred

November 24th, 2010
9:12 am

Thank you for the explanation Jay. I need to mull it over a tad. If you recall, i had changed my mind Monday on the urgency of doing it right now.

But yes, if the committee has had it approved since September, it IS time to vote. Just one more question though:

Isn’t it traditional for a lame duck session to end without anything important being decided? I’m not saying I agree with the tradition, just pointing it out……………

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
9:13 am

memories of their name calling of George W. Bush are well substantiated

it was justified, and it built up over time. Hatred of Obama was more or less immediate.

(I have explained this already; please do not continue making this phony case, conservatives.)

Ragnar is here illegally

November 24th, 2010
9:14 am

I want to see his birth certificate and papers in order to blog here. ; )

Bad Bob

November 24th, 2010
9:14 am

“extending the current tax code seems a bit more in line with helping the working American folks”

The current tax rates are more about government handouts for the idle rich than tax cuts for working folks – I cleared a cool 20 bucks a week with the so-called bush tax cuts. Let ‘em all expire – it won’t make or break any middle class tax payers!

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
9:15 am

Isn’t it traditional for a lame duck session to end without anything important being decided?

Important? You mean like, say, the impeachment of a President?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
9:15 am

Dear Jay @ 9:12, regrettably the language seemingly excludes all defenses other than a missile-based defense. Not smart. No laser-based defense. No smart rocks. No nothing permitted, other than hitting a bullet with a bullet.

Jefferson

November 24th, 2010
9:16 am

The GOP has no credibility. It makes fools of their following.

Southern Comfort

November 24th, 2010
9:16 am

I was going to hang around until I came across this hidden gem…

Just think if you didn’t let people vote unless they qualified to by paying income taxes.

From what I remember, that was tried in the form of poll taxes and such. Many Americans were killed for trying to exercise their rights as a citizen and register to vote. With crap like that being spewed here, I hope y’all have a good holiday…

See y’all in a few days. Too many pointy sheets here for this brother!!

Jay

November 24th, 2010
9:16 am

Ragnar, you’re just making up more baloney. “Smart rocks” as a concept is archaic and was abandoned back in the early ’90s and never resurrected. Modern missile-defense is based on missile interceptors precisely like those described in the treaty.

@@

November 24th, 2010
9:17 am

“The failure of START in the Senate would endanger future cooperation and be a major embarrassment to (Russian President Dmitry) Medvedev and a big boost to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

The U.S. should never negotiate from a position of weakness, which is where we are right now. You think Medvedev and Putin are of different mindsets!!??!!

Nothing could be further from the truth. They are of one mind….the Russian mind.

And as far as the Disclose Act. Have you talked with the left-wing activist groups. In their attempts to push Obama further left, they’re seeking to avoid disclosure on contributions. Hoping to START their own movement that’ll counteract the Tea Party.

You’re right about one thing, jay. It’s gonna be a very interesting two years.

Let the battle begin!

saywhat?

November 24th, 2010
9:17 am

For all the people equating President Obama hatred by the Republican party with treatment of the former President W. Bush, can any of you give a single example, just one, of the Democrats changing their position on an issue just to spite the president? Google to you hearts content and see if you can find one. Unless you can do that, you are guilty of projection. i.e. ascribing your own undesirable behaviours to others in an attempt to improve your own much inflated feelings of self worth.

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
9:17 am

Congress has to authorize the use of our military to go into places like Iraq, not a President.

Seriously? You’re playing the “Congress forced my War Preznit to be a War Preznit” card?

Jay, smarter trolls, please.

Moderate Line

November 24th, 2010
9:18 am

More balance reporting from “The Hill”. Just do a search on “The Hill Start Treaty”.

The treaty passed 14-4 on a bipartisan vote within the committee including Corker and Isakson.

From the Hill:
Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry (D-Mass.), who has held months’ worth of hearings on the treaty, hedged last week when asked for a vote prediction but said he was optimistic that White House officials will persuade enough Republicans.

Lugar, the panel’s ranking Republican, was also optimistic.

“I think we’ll have a debate and ratify the treaty during this calendar year,” he said. “But I would be completely off-base on trying to predict the final vote.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/126161-midterm-election-fallout-could-derail-start-treaty-vote-key-republican-says

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/122289-gop-to-obama-start-treaty-still-far-from-ratification

Fred

November 24th, 2010
9:19 am

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
9:13 am

it was justified, and it built up over time. Hatred of Obama was more or less immediate.
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That’s not true SFD. The trash talk towards President Bush was IMMEDIATE. He was vilified before he ever took office. Remember the whole “He stole the election for Gore” thing? The hate and lies were immediate.

As an independent, I have laughed about this since the Clinton years. The hate talk is the same, only the names of the targets differ………….

Look at Pelosi and now Boehner. the attacks on her started before her “term” started and they have already started on Boehner……..

Normal

November 24th, 2010
9:19 am

Charles,
You seem to forget that our last President started an un-necessary war that got over 4000 Americans killed and over 30,000 maimed for life, raise our deficit to ungodly amounts and tried to hide the true cost by not adding in the two wars and there were “other” things, too. All President Obama has done is save banking, passed 11, I believe , tax cuts for small businesses, saved GM, and oh yeah, passed a healthcare bill disigned to give deserving Americans access to preventative medicine.

Union

November 24th, 2010
9:19 am

Bad Bob
November 24th, 2010
9:14 am

“The current tax rates are more about government handouts for the idle rich than tax cuts for working folks – I cleared a cool 20 bucks a week with the so-called bush tax cuts. Let ‘em all expire – it won’t make or break any middle class tax payers!”

never heard of amt have you?

Tom

November 24th, 2010
9:21 am

RANDY – Very well said, I agree completely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fred

November 24th, 2010
9:21 am

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
9:15 am
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I don’t recall that as a lame duck session. You DO know the difference don’t you?

Joe the Plutocrat (the artist formerly known as paleo-neo-Carlinist)

November 24th, 2010
9:22 am

Randy, is your last name Quaid? put the Kool-Aid down, son. And please don’t speak for “conservatives”. you need to add the prefix neo to your infantile screed. Let me fix your typos:

#1 Conservatives love their country (nope, conservatives – lower case c, by the way, love “freedom” and personal accountability (neither apply to “the country”).
# 2 Conservatives are pro business (nope, conservatives are pro “free market”. LOBBYISTS are “pro business”).
# 3 Conservatives believe if they earn something they should be allowed to keep it (no, Leona Helmsley and most children believe they should not have to pay taxes. True conservatives accept taxes as part of life. WE are more concerned with spending and the financial cost of failed, flawed policy).
# 4 Conservatives don’t like the government taking their money and giving it to people who are too stinking lazy to get out of bed and go earn their own. (not worthy of response. see: above and pay specific attention to FOREIGN policy and DoD spending)
# 5 Conservatives think the government should be less intrusive in their personal lives (yeah, but by this definition, any anti-abortion, anti-same sex marriage, anti-gay rights wag is not conservative).
# 6 If you started a business and it was your money laid out there at risk and it was your rear end if the business fails then don’t you think you should be the one handing out the pay raises and the benefits and not some government fed and supported union? It’s no wonder this country is in the shape it’s in. (please don’t use hypothetical scenarios to state your case. since 1980 the Federal deficit has ballooned to nearly $13 trillion (Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama). are you suggesting that Reagan, Bush I and Bush II were not “conservatives”?

now go home and get your shine box!

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
9:22 am

More to the point, though Jay, is why do it at all? Russia is not a threat to us, they are not going to attack us. We are not going to attack Russia. The treaty does nothing about the 10,000 tactical nukes the Russkies are using as their currency in dealing with rogue states. It addresses only the deteriorating old arsenal of ICBMs.

When the current administration withdrew US missile defenses from Poland, Russia proved its good faith by invading Georgia and seizing a warm-water port. Why deal with such people, other than to reward bad behavior?

fair and balanced

November 24th, 2010
9:23 am

GOP blinded by its anti-Obama jihad – funny jay, you never seemed to notice the dems blinded by 8 yrs of anti-gw jihad.

BW

November 24th, 2010
9:24 am

Jay

Barack Obama is an object onto which alot of these people project their worse fears….karma. Plain and simple.

Fred

November 24th, 2010
9:24 am

I stand corrected. That WAS considered a lame duck session. I didn’t think the house leadership changed that election…….

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
9:24 am

Dear Jay @ 9:16, we would agree that your argument rests wholly on the idea that “it can’t be done, therefore we will surrender forever any possibility of technological advancement.”

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
9:24 am

The GOP has no credibility. It makes proud fools of their following

There. I think that is more technically correct.

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
9:26 am

Ragnar appears to suffer from too many voices, I do believe.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
9:26 am

And, dear Jay, before you advance the argument, I concede that lasers cannot do it either, so far as we know.

RGB

November 24th, 2010
9:27 am

Let ‘em all expire – it won’t make or break any middle class tax payers!

Perhaps “Bad” refers to Bob’s understanding of economics and family finances.

A family of 5 with a $70k income will see their federal tax burden rise from $4,693 to $6,964 when the Bush tax cuts expire–in 38 days.

The January 1, 2011 deadline is another one Obama is about to miss. His party held all 3 branches of government and could have resolved this issue months ago–but he chose to ignore it because he wants to bring down Americans’ standards of living.

There is no other answer for this is what Obama meant when he said that America is the greatest country in the world and I want you to help me change it.

Jay

November 24th, 2010
9:27 am

Well Ragnar, maybe you should pose that question to Condi Rice, George Shultz, Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Sam Nunn, Richard Lugar, SecDef Gates, Brent Scowcroft, James Baker and just about every single person of standing in the national security arena.

Union

November 24th, 2010
9:29 am

Jay
November 24th, 2010
9:27 am

Well Ragnar, maybe you should pose that question to Condi Rice, George Shultz, Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Sam Nunn, Richard Lugar, SecDef Gates, Brent Scowcroft, James Baker and just about every single person of standing in the national security arena.

wow.. right off ctcukers blog.. lol

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
9:30 am

I dont want the republicans to compromise at all with Obama, Reid, and Pelosi. End of statement.

Moderate Line

November 24th, 2010
9:30 am

saywhat?

November 24th, 2010
9:17 am
For all the people equating President Obama hatred by the Republican party with treatment of the former President W. Bush, can any of you give a single example, just one, of the Democrats changing their position on an issue just to spite the president? Google to you hearts content and see if you can find one. Unless you can do that, you are guilty of projection. i.e. ascribing your own undesirable behaviours to others in an attempt to improve your own much inflated feelings of self worth.
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All you have to do is look at the Supreme court votes. Are you going to tell me that 22 Democrats did not support Roberts based on his qualification instead of politics. Now they didn’t change their vote but I have not seen any evidence the Republicans have change their votes on the treaty either.

Fred

November 24th, 2010
9:30 am

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
9:26 am

And, dear Jay, before you advance the argument, I concede that lasers cannot do it either, so far as we know.
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They were close. But the funding disappeared after the huge Star Wars debate. They know how to do it, but they can’t machine the parts to fine tune the arrays enough to keep the beam together as it pierces the atmosphere. There was also the problem of cooling the mirrors. These may have been over come in a lab, but without actually building and testing, we don’t know for sure…….

Jefferson

November 24th, 2010
9:30 am

‘preciate it, Taxpayer.

lynnie gal

November 24th, 2010
9:31 am

The Republicans are now on a suicide mission in order to regain absolute political power, and they are willing to blow up all of America in this mission. They really don’t care about the economy, national security or fair elections, and they are willing to blow the head off of every middle class person in this country in order to please the rich and corporations. The middle class really needs a warrior to stand up to this recklessness before they are resigned to permanent poverty. Obama just isn’t strong enough to withstand their attacks. He needs reinforcements. Meaning, every democratic minded American needs to let the GOP know that they will not stand for this insanity and then punish them in the next election. I just hope it won’t be too late.

myother

November 24th, 2010
9:31 am

Politics as usual. Vote out all the dems and reps. I’m voting straight libertarian until things change.

kitty

November 24th, 2010
9:32 am

Besides the Iraq war and its justification based on wishful thinking and fake intelligence, this was the reason I had issues with GWB. He was not a conservative of any kind. Just a hypocrite.

# 5 Conservatives think the government should be less intrusive in their personal lives (yeah, but by this definition, any anti-abortion, anti-same sex marriage, anti-gay rights wag is not conservative).

El Jefe

November 24th, 2010
9:33 am

Bad Bob,

You mean the cool handouts to married folks? The Marriage tax expired this year but will come back next year.

The death tax has expired, but will return next year – and I do not think it only applies to the rich, but also farmers, small businesses and sub-S corporations too.

By the way, the Bush tax cuts did away with the lowest income bracket($10,000), which would return in 2011.

There is more in the Bush tax cuts than just the income tax rates, which by the way will cost the Government nothing to extend. It will not cut into any “new” revenue streams, but would maintain the current revenue flow.

But, the left doesn’t care about “those” folks. You know, what was it Katie Couric said? the great unwashed?

Kamchak

November 24th, 2010
9:34 am

Logic 05

November 24th, 2010
8:31 am

I’ve started to notice a trend with Jay’s posting.
Democrats = Good
Republicans = Evil

I have noticed the binary mindset of the talk-radio crowd for thirty years.

Congratulations.

Not only has talk-radio told you what to think, they’ve also trained programmed you how to think.

BADA BING

November 24th, 2010
9:35 am

I am confused, the King of Saudi Arabia is in the US for medical treatment. Is he on Obamacare? Why isn’t he in Canada or Europe, you know, where medical care is the best in the World? Does Michael Moore know about this? He can afford to go anywhere for his treatment, but he came here.

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
9:35 am

Kamchak

November 24th, 2010
9:34 am
I see you left out the lame stream media. What were they doing?

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
9:36 am

Anti-Obama jihad? Crusade? Obama is a Socialist? Bush is a Na zi? Palin is a moron…sounds like out old nemisis Lady Hyperbole is back in business hereabouts…NOW can I call the POTUS a Peronista, Jay? :-)

Gale

November 24th, 2010
9:36 am

The worst thing that could happen to either party would be to have uncontested control of both houses and the executive. Give them absolute control and they would have no one to blame for making a complete mess of things by action or inaction. Both parties need to stop with the schoolyard finger pointing and get on with business. It is not a competition. It is running the country, fergoshsakes.

nelson

November 24th, 2010
9:36 am

The Transparency Option would demand that the flow of cash from large corporations to members of congress become open and accountable. That would prevent politicians from hiding behind mountains of cash that will be thrown into the media for supporting their runs for office. “follow the money” has been a way to track terrorist activity, it works.
Why the secrecy when it comes to huge, humongus contributions to elected officials? Transparency is democracy in action.

saywhat?

November 24th, 2010
9:39 am

Moderate line @9:30 You didn’t see any Republicans change their votes? The esteemed Senator Kyl not too long ago was denigrating the current administration for NOT getting the START treaty passed in a timely manner, because it was SUCH an IMPORTANT treaty for U.S national security. He did this on the Senate floor no less. But now that its done, ratifying the START treaty is much less important than scoring political points, apparently.

I am still waiting for somebody to show me where Democrats obstructed legislation they approved of just to spite a Republican administration. Until somebody can do that, Obama hatred and w. ridicule are false equivalencies.

Moderate Line

November 24th, 2010
9:40 am

Jay

November 24th, 2010
9:27 am
Well Ragnar, maybe you should pose that question to Condi Rice, George Shultz, Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Sam Nunn, Richard Lugar, SecDef Gates, Brent Scowcroft, James Baker and just about every single person of standing in the national security arena
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The treaty won 14-4 in committee with several Republicans voting for it.
From Harry Reid:
This treaty has strong bipartisan consensus in the Senate. It has been endorsed by the U.S. military, our diplomatic leadership, and scores of former Republican and Democratic national security officials. So I am puzzled by Senator Kyl’s announcement that he is not prepared to move forward on the new START treaty.

I believe this is simply a talking point for Democratic hack’s.

@@

November 24th, 2010
9:40 am

jay:

Have you ever attended a social gathering…only to find that you’re wearing the same dress as Cynthia Tucker?

All too often, you’re wearing the same column. The two of you should coordinate.

retired early

November 24th, 2010
9:40 am

Go ahead and vote on START. Then we will know who are our leaders and who are our traitors.
Party over country…I hope it comes back to bite them in the next election.

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
9:40 am

lynnie gal

November 24th, 2010
9:31 am
Your so funny!!

Fred

November 24th, 2010
9:42 am

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
9:36 am

NOW can I call the POTUS a Peronista, Jay?
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Damn you. It seems like SOMEWHERE in each blog you force me to look something up to find the definition. Now I have to finish reading up on Peronism AND try to keep up with the posts………

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
9:43 am

@@

“Have you ever attended a social gathering…only to find that you’re wearing the same dress as Cynthia Tucker?”

I don’t care who you are, thass funny! ISH

TH

November 24th, 2010
9:43 am

Today is November 24.

BONER, WHERE ARE THE JOBS CREATED FROM THE BUSH TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY?

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
9:44 am

Until somebody can do that, Obama hatred and w. ridicule are false equivalencies

Surely you underestimate the compassionate conservative’s ability to equivocate.

Granny Godzilla

November 24th, 2010
9:47 am

“he wants to bring down Americans’ standards of living.”

damn GOP melodrama

Kamchak

November 24th, 2010
9:48 am

I see you left out the lame stream media.

You have just proved my point by offering up your mindset as an example.

Thanks.

@@

November 24th, 2010
9:48 am

josef:

Just in time for Thanksgiving….it’s Turkey!!!!

Geopolitical Journey, Part 5: Turkey is republished with permission of STRATFOR.

Pennski

November 24th, 2010
9:49 am

Jay,

See this link, Obama did receive foreign campain contributions unlike what you said above to Jimmy. There were no safeguards in place to verify that these people were really who they say they are, so I think that falls under anonymous:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/obamas_foreign_contributions/

Fred

November 24th, 2010
9:49 am

@@:

I’m late to the party. I read Part 4. Where can I find parts 1,2,&3?

Bye Bye Empire

November 24th, 2010
9:50 am

Listen up, halflings. It’s the Mittelstand, stupid.

You know those effete, cheese-eating Germans that the right has been busily excoriating. (Oh that’s the French? It’s all the same.)

Turns out, socialism does work (if by ’socialism’ we mean the systematic repudiation – sorry, refudiation – of British and US-led neoliberalism which enshrines ‘the market’ and stock-performance oriented performance as the be-all end-all in corporate governance) after all. Meyerson at WaPo has it about right, here: http://wapo.st/h4DIzd.

So, next time one of you halflings claim that ’socialism’ doesn’t work, just remember: what we need in this day and age is much, much more socialism, not less. Now if only we could convince our stooge, center-right president of that.

jj

November 24th, 2010
9:50 am

Enter your comments here

jj

November 24th, 2010
9:53 am

Two wrongs do not make a right, but do you really believe the hatred of BO is any more or less than the open hatred by the left of Bush? (Bush Lied, Baby Killer, Hitler…and the list could go on for pages)

Moderate Line

November 24th, 2010
9:54 am

saywhat?

November 24th, 2010
9:39 am
Moderate line @9:30 You didn’t see any Republicans change their votes? The esteemed Senator Kyl not too long ago was denigrating the current administration for NOT getting the START treaty passed in a timely manner, because it was SUCH an IMPORTANT treaty for U.S national security. He did this on the Senate floor no less. But now that its done, ratifying the START treaty is much less important than scoring political points, apparently.

I am still waiting for somebody to show me where Democrats obstructed legislation they approved of just to spite a Republican administration. Until somebody can do that, Obama hatred and w. ridicule are false equivalencies.
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The treaty passed 14-4 in committee

From The Hill:
Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), however, said there was too much to do and too little time to hold a vote on the treaty. He told The Hill several incoming GOP freshman senators were circulating a letter to their new colleagues asking that a vote be delayed until the next Senate.

Corker voted in favor of the treaty in committee and has been seen as a possible supporter on the floor.

The issue is not whether he supports the bill but when to hold a vote.

Atlanta1

November 24th, 2010
9:56 am

A war started a long time ago and one that became especially nasty while George W. Bush was President. A war that the Democrats were ‘blinded’ sometimes by their focus on the President and power, despite what was good for the country.

It’s a two way street…

Del

November 24th, 2010
10:00 am

Norm Ornstein supports President Obama and his policies irrespective of his AEI affiliation, so it’s not surprising that he would be critical of Republicans who do not support Obama’s policies. Just another whining voice upset with the mid-term election result. The left really can’t come to grips with the message sent by the voters but to quote their dear leader, “elections have consequences.”

zeke

November 24th, 2010
10:02 am

That inexperienced, socialist, community organizer trying to completely remake the system that has made the U.S. the greatest country in the history of mankind! Trying to take us down the path of complete government control socialism! Trying to make us into systems modeled after the Soviet Union, Cuba, China, Venezuela, countries he admires! Trying to redistribute the hard earned wealth of successful persons to those on the government dole!

HE NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED FOR VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION AND HIS SWORN OATH OF OFFICE, AND, TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION FROM ALL ENEMIES, ESPECIALLY DOMESTIC! 2012 MUST END THIS FARCE AND SAVE THE COUNTRY FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR CHILDREN!!!

Moderate Line

November 24th, 2010
10:03 am

Pennski

November 24th, 2010
9:49 am
Jay,

See this link, Obama did receive foreign campain contributions unlike what you said above to Jimmy. There were no safeguards in place to verify that these people were really who they say they are, so I think that falls under anonymous:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/obamas_foreign_contributions
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Obama was the first president since Nixon not to take public financing. Where were the Dems when Obama broke his promise on this issue? Where was the stand on principle?

As with many moderates and independents I feel neither side is very trustworthy.

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
10:08 am

The problem was, and still is, that the left was blinded by thier anti-Bush jihad and tried to steer the whole country off the left side of the bridge.

Thankfully, we’re correcting course as of January. Come 2012, we’ll be going back onto the RIGHT path and eliminate the liberal mental disorder for good.

capitalism and war

November 24th, 2010
10:08 am

The country simply doesn’t agree with anything you write, Bookman. You’re on the lam and out on a limb, stuck in Limbo with BlameLamebama.

It’s “writers” like you, who sacrifice content for style, and who always cry, “appease! appease!” who are hanged by those they aimed to please.

Shame on the AJC for coddling it’s employees. Shame on the left for divorcing themselves from mainstream Americana.

And shame on me for being fooled twice by entilementalists like Bookman.

Moderate Line

November 24th, 2010
10:11 am

! Trying to make us into systems modeled after the Soviet Union, Cuba, China, Venezuela, countries he admires!
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Government receipts as a percentage of GDP the lowest since 1950.
Income tax receipts as a percentage of GDP the lowest since 1950.
Corporate income tax receipts lowest as a percentage of GDP since 1936.

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
10:13 am

Libs like Jay merely exist to be ridiculed, and are living breathing reminders of why socialist countries are a failure.

However, don’t underestimate the liberal species either. They are cunning and will do anything to try and push the “progressive” agenda.

Just like cutters, drug abusers, and other lunatics…liberals have no shame about their behaviour and will justify any action on thier part.

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
10:14 am

“Government receipts as a percentage of GDP the lowest since 1950.
Income tax receipts as a percentage of GDP the lowest since 1950.
Corporate income tax receipts lowest as a percentage of GDP since 1936″
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Still too high, and your post assumes that money somehow belongs to the worthless child molestors in government.

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
10:15 am

To hear the compassionate conservatives speak, that Republican mandate sounds like it extends to all reaches of the known universe and beyond. Those Borg tentacles must be long and penetrating. It’s no wonder they have no time to deal with little things like jobs.

Mr Right

November 24th, 2010
10:18 am

And it’s telling that Republican hatred of Obama is so intense and over the top that you and others feel the need to invent things in order to try to justify it.

Jay your headline and this statement reminds me of the Libs when Bush was president ! So forget the idea that you are putting forth that we are better than you are on this issue .

Doggone/GA

November 24th, 2010
10:19 am

“Still too high, and your post assumes that money somehow belongs to the worthless child molestors in government”

It does. It is the price we pay for living in a civilized country with law enforcement and legal protections. If you prefer no taxes, and lawlessness, then Somalia eagerly awaits your arrival…though in all fairness, it’s probably only polite to warn you that you will have to provide your own army to protect you from the warlords there.

Dusty

November 24th, 2010
10:20 am

Oh jihad,jihad, you are so bad, ’specially when you’ve been had…by Bookman.

Please leave this jihad business to the terrorists. That is their line of work not the work of Americans. . We are supposedly having a political discussion about a treaty. We do not need a “dirty tricks” column to incite the “supposed” hate which Bookman has percolated for us this morning.

I award the Green Persimmon Award to Bookman for his work on building hate. He is the prize winner right here on Thanksgiving eve. .

Bye Bye Empire

November 24th, 2010
10:21 am

zeke and tommytwotone1:

Well done! You guys have real passion and I think with a little help you may have real potential. (After we make a couple of minor adjustments, that is – maybe a few months in one of our re-education camps to learn a little about history and economics ought to do the trick.) With a little schooling, I think you might be able to recognize your true place and help our side advance a revolutionary agenda. Keep the faith, comrades!

Moderate Line

November 24th, 2010
10:22 am

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
10:15 am
To hear the compassionate conservatives speak, that Republican mandate sounds like it extends to all reaches of the known universe and beyond. Those Borg tentacles must be long and penetrating. It’s no wonder they have no time to deal with little things like jobs.
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Such arguments work both ways. The same could have been said about the Dem “mandate”.

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
10:23 am

It’s no wonder they have no time to deal with little things like jobs.
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Good god. THEY CANNOT CREATE JOBS. ONLY BUSINESSES AND THE FREE MARKET CREATE JOBS.

Drill that fact into your skull. Neither Democrats nor Republicans can do anything about private sector hiring.

I don’t care which side claims to “care” the most. They can’t do anything about the economy, at least not anything positive…they may as well promise to make it snow on christmas day.

If you want jobs so much, slash the useless government to 90% of its current size and reduce taxes by the same amount.

Have you ever tried to start a business? Are you aware of how much red tape, regulatory crap, fees taxes and liscences you have to go through to even start a SIMPLE business? It’s too much of a hurdle for most people. The government is STRANGLING people who want to create a business…which in turn: creates JOBS.

So really, get over the rhetoric. It makes you look stupid.

Del

November 24th, 2010
10:25 am

“It’s no wonder they have no time to deal with things like jobs.”

Lets see, a Democratic administration last 2 years, a Democratic controlled Congress last 4 years, unemployment hanging close to 10% and the only thing that’s grown is the deficit. The Dem’s have been to busy spending TAXPAYER money to deal with things like jobs.

Fred

November 24th, 2010
10:26 am

Doggone/GA

November 24th, 2010
10:19 am

If you prefer no taxes, and lawlessness, then Somalia eagerly awaits your arrival…
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LOL Nice comeback

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
10:26 am

It is the price we pay for living in a civilized country with law enforcement and legal protections.
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I’m all for law enforcement and legal protection. They can take about 10% of everyone’s income and fund that.

What I’m against is the other 40% of the economy that the government sucks up and wastes, because it kills jobs, keeps people from progressing, and gives the government TOO much power.

So much for your straw man about “no taxes” and “lawlesness”.

You argue like a two year old.

Parent: Jenny don’t eat that candy it’s bad for you
Child: Why do you hate all food? Don’t you know we have to eat food to survive?

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
10:27 am

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As with the others, an interesting read…I’m not sure if he’s not overestimating Turkey a bit on the world stage, but as a regional force, it’s key…

Doggone/GA

November 24th, 2010
10:29 am

“You argue like a two year old.”

Whenever I get a response like this, I *know* I’ve hit a nerve.

and Thanks Fred!

Common Sense isn't very Common

November 24th, 2010
10:31 am

zeke@10:02 am

That inexperienced, socialist, community organizer trying to completely remake the system that has made the U.S. the greatest country in the history of mankind! Trying to take us down the path of complete government control socialism! Trying to make us into systems modeled after the Soviet Union, Cuba, China, Venezuela, countries he admires! Trying to redistribute the hard earned wealth of successful persons to those on the government dole!

HE NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED FOR VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION AND HIS SWORN OATH OF OFFICE, AND, TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION FROM ALL ENEMIES, ESPECIALLY DOMESTIC! 2012 MUST END THIS FARCE AND SAVE THE COUNTRY FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR CHILDREN!!!
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Meds not working??

Completely remake the country?

Interesting

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
10:32 am

Such arguments work both ways. The same could have been said about the Dem “mandate”.

If you have a timely argument that you could make, then by all means… otherwise.

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
10:32 am

Whenever I get a response like this, I *know* I’ve hit a nerve.
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You didn’t hit a nerve, you just come off as a retard.

Being against wasteful government, demanding lower taxes, and insisting on more economic freedom isn’t the same thing as wanting “no taxes” or “anarchy”.

You’re arguing against statements that nobody has even made or implied.

I was actually trying to help you out, to keep you on track and stay focused. But I know that’s too much to ask a child.

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
10:32 am

The GOP pretty much ran on a party platform of stopping Obama and his agenda. They took the House and weakened the Democrats in the Senate. Why should we be at all surprised if they “deliver on their promise?” Or at least try to grandstand as if they are…same old politics as the Dems before them and, likely, like the Dems after them…

Doggone/GA

November 24th, 2010
10:33 am

“But I know that’s too much to ask a child”

Yep, definitely hit a nerve alright.

Jackie

November 24th, 2010
10:33 am

Found some documentation the so-called conservatives can cheer about when it comes to citizens of this country and their attempts at maintaining/enhancing their well-being.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/24/pf/taxes/making_work_pay/index.htm?hpt=T2

Doggone/GA

November 24th, 2010
10:36 am

“Why should we be at all surprised if they “deliver on their promise?” ”

Well, I – for one – am not the least bit surprised.

Matti

November 24th, 2010
10:38 am

Whoa whoa whoa whoa… wait just a darn minute!!! Are you telling us that DISCLOSURE was not a required element in the legalization of unlimited campaign support from foreign conglomerates? How did I miss THAT tidbit? WTF?

Yes, people. If this is true, it means that your voice and your vote mean LESS that you thought, which is LESS THAN NOTHING. “American Democracy” was comatose. Now it’s dead.

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
10:41 am

Matti

Now, now! We’ve survived far worse than where we are now…

Jackie

November 24th, 2010
10:43 am

I did not mention the GM and Chrysler bailouts, the drop in the number of jobless claims, saving millions of jobs for “government workers,” repayment of loans by the auto industry – with interest.

Come on so-called conservatives, where is your collective cheer for America and the Americans recovering from the recession and the prospects that all Americans will have an opportunity to get their economic houses in order?

Doggone/GA

November 24th, 2010
10:43 am

“Now it’s dead”

No, it’s not dead yet. We’re just going through the stage where the advances of the past have become so much the norm, that the people have forgetten the struggles it took to make those advances. Every society takes a few steps backwards now and then. This is then.

Matti

November 24th, 2010
10:44 am

jo nix,

Yes Dear, people in totalitarian regimes do survive. But they’re not free.

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
10:47 am

Matti
We’re no where near a totalitarian regime…I’m none to happy about the road signs myself, but…

Doggone/GA

November 24th, 2010
10:48 am

“But they’re not free.”

No one is ever totally free.

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
10:48 am

Come on so-called conservatives, where is your collective cheer for America and the Americans recovering from the recession and the prospects that all Americans will have an opportunity to get their economic houses in order?
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They would have more oppurtunity if the worthless government would get out of the way. Government is the problem, not the solution.

Mary Elizabeth

November 24th, 2010
10:50 am

I just posted the following on Cynthia Tucker’s blog regarding the START and I also wanted to post the following thoughts here:

The discussion tells me that before political wisdom will return to America, that the American psyche and heart must first change. This is hard to accomplish when media giants such as FOX News and Rush Limbaugh are keeping the American psyche stunted and stunted in negative, destructive ways. But these ways may not simply destroy the Obama presidency and kill the START Treaty, they may further coarsen the American intellect and soul so that it will not be able to recognize the danger in hating others (Obama), in stereotyping instead of looking at particulars (as in the treaty), and in recognizing the value of mature introspection as to how one’s own negative motives (Republican Party’s “Just Say No” mantra) can be destructive to oneself and others.

This ploy by the present Republicans reminds me of the old feud between the Hatfields and McCoys of Hillbilly fame, in which the familys feuded with one another for generations. Finally, their later progeny had no idea why they disliked each other but kept fighting each other “on principle.”

Spiritual truth of the universe: Hate destroys and it destroys the one who hates more than the one hated. We must learn to compromise with reason, value emotional maturity, and we must overcome the negative media giants’ (mentioned above) impact in stunting the maturity of American psyche before our politics will return to normal functioning.

I am very proud of Sen. Isakson for having the maturity and courage to vote against the strong will of his party, and support the START Treaty for the best interests of America and her citizens of both parties.

Doggone/GA

November 24th, 2010
10:50 am

“Government is the problem, not the solution.”

And now you know why I mentioned Somalia to you.

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
10:52 am

“No one is ever totally free.”

And some of us are not even cheap!

Matti

November 24th, 2010
10:53 am

Okay y’all. If it’s not dead, if there’s still time to fight, then who’s going to do it? Clearly the Democratic Party is the enabler that only gives the appearance of opposition. (Much like the Washington Generals vs. Harlem Globetrotters.) The Libertarians, (bless their hearts) are just bat-poop crazy — most of them anyway. I’d actually vote L more often if they’d ever run somebody who wasn’t! The tea tards are a vocal minority, but DANG they’ve got all the subwoofers and the noise is deafening. Who can even think with that infernal racket going on?

So.. who’s going to fight? The three of us? (I have some strategies, actually, but I dare not share them here.)

cgm

November 24th, 2010
10:53 am

The Republicans have succeded in demonizing Obama and his refusal to fight back, only makes him look weak.

Matti

November 24th, 2010
10:54 am

Somebody please stick a little gold star on tommy’s chest. He’s a good boy. He inserted his Reagan quip o’ the day. *pat pat pat* Juice and cookies for little tommy!

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
10:55 am

And now you know why I mentioned Somalia to you.
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You mentioned it because you can’t logically argue against an intrusive, wasteful government.

You’re okay with them stealing about half of the money that flows through the economy, even though they waste roughly 40% of the 50% they take.

And anyone who calls them out on it is “racist” and “greedy”. Anyone who gripes about it wants “anarchy”.

Get back in your crib…your welfare check should be in the mail today.

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
10:58 am

Matti

“So.. who’s going to fight? The three of us? (I have some strategies, actually, but I dare not share them here.)”

Any to do with the Second Amendment? :-)

Doggone/GA

November 24th, 2010
10:59 am

“You’re okay with them stealing about half of the money that flows through the economy, even though they waste roughly 40% of the 50% they take.”

Got any REAL proof of that? Or is it true just because you say it is?

“And anyone who calls them out on it is “racist” and “greedy”.”

I’ve never said anything like that, so that is a false argument.

“Anyone who gripes about it wants “anarchy”.”

When you villify ALL government as “the problem” why would you expect any sort of nuanced answer back? The only answer to an absolute is another absolute. If “government is the problem” then it naturally follows that NO GOVERNMENT is the solution. As I said, Somalia eagerly awaits your arrival.

“Get back in your crib…your welfare check should be in the mail today”

I always know when I’ve hit a nerve…the insults follow automatically.

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
11:01 am

This is hard to accomplish when media giants such as FOX News and Rush Limbaugh are keeping the American psyche stunted
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The only thing stunting the American psyche is the 95% of all other media that is LIBERAL.

You can whine about FOX news all you want, but only about 3 million people watch it. That’s a whopping 1% of our population.

The other 99% of the population…which I’m sure includes mouthbreathers like you…have been brainwashed into thinking that the politicians can do anything constructive or positive.

Think about it like this though: if any of these politicians had to get a job in the private sector, they wouldn’t be qualified to clean a toilet (no offense, doggone).

You’re damn right we hate liberals. And you’re damn right we hate the government. But hate isn’t bad if it’s used in the right manner, and used to force a positive outcome.

And if that positive outcome is the end of liberals, the end of an over-reaching socialist government, and end to your wauy of thinking…then all the better.

Matti

November 24th, 2010
11:03 am

jo nix,

Haha! No. Violence is not the answer. Taking out the top Plutocrats would only make them martyrs and inspire the confused to turn against the good guys. My piece is purely for self-defense in a Rand Paul world where the “Don’t Tread On Me” crowd thinks it’s fun to step on the heads of those who disagree.

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
11:05 am

When you villify ALL government as “the problem” why would you expect any sort of nuanced answer back?
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I like how you inserted the word “ALL” on your own, as if to make a point.

I said that they suck up about 50% of the economy, and waste about 40% of that. So they’re 10% correct and helpful. And that’s being generous, actually.

I’m not going to do your research for you, although even just common sense should tell you that government is mostly waste if you would pay attention…which I’m sure you don’t.

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
11:05 am

tommy

Okay, Buddy, bring it on! Name the time, place and second…en garde! Some of us liberals aren’t the wimps you’d like to think we are…

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
11:07 am

Some of us liberals aren’t the wimps you’d like to think we are…
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I wouldn’t want to interupt your manicure appointment.

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
11:07 am

matti

See my 11:05! I just believe in making it personal…no group action for me. My kindergarten teacher had me pegged early on: “does not work and play well with others!”

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
11:08 am

Tommy

Like I said, time, date, place and second…and best think about that manicure thingie…”the better to scratch your blind eyes out with, Dearie…”

Soothsayer

November 24th, 2010
11:09 am

My personal experiences have led me to believe that people like tommytwotone1 and Zeke owe the government $thousands in back taxes and blame government for everything that’s wrong in their lives.

Usually it’s these same types of people who also favor the FairTax.

Matti

November 24th, 2010
11:12 am

lil’ tommy,

Interrupt MY manicure. I dare you. You’ll be wearing AND tasting my favorite nail color: Humiliated Neocon Red.

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
11:12 am

best think about that manicure thingie…”the better to scratch your blind eyes out with, Dearie…”
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I don’t even want to think about what you’d do with the pedicure then.

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
11:13 am

You’ll be wearing AND tasting my favorite nail color: Humiliated Neocon Red.
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Go cook dinner and make the bed first.

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
11:14 am

tommy
The better to kick you a33 with?

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
11:16 am

The better to kick you a33 with?
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So is that a threat?

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
11:17 am

“,,,make the bed…”

Why? Sounds like yours don’t get rumpled that much…

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
11:17 am

tommy

Nope. A promise.

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
11:20 am

Nope. A promise.
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It’s funny when liberals start to “tard” out like that. Did I hurt your feelings? Was it my welfare check comment earlier? I’m sorry if I made you cry. We can be friends.

Matti

November 24th, 2010
11:20 am

Mary Elizabeth

November 24th, 2010
11:22 am

Tommytwotone1 @ 11:01

Tommy says: “mouthbreathers like you” “if any of these politicians had to get a job in the private sector, they wouldn’t be qualified to clean a toilet” “You’re damn right we hate liberals. And you’re damn right we hate the government.” “But hate isn’t bad if it’s used in the right manner.” “The positive outcome is the end of liberals, the end of an over-reaching government, and end to your wauy (sic) of thinking. . . then all the better”
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Tommy’s words reinforce my post at 10:50, to wit: “media giants such as FOX News and Rush Limbaugh are keeping the American psyche stunted and stunted in negative, destructive ways”

The language that we use is a reflection of our thinking and of our very souls.

Tommy words reinforce my thinking, expressed at 10:50 a.m..

Matti

November 24th, 2010
11:22 am

lil’ tommy thinks if you’re not a neocon you pay your bills with welfare checks. He probably thinks us bed-wetting libs aren’t armed, either. Heh…

Paulo977

November 24th, 2010
11:23 am

Josef ….

Does T know how tall you are?

Fred

November 24th, 2010
11:23 am

Sometimes it’s fun to play with trolls, other time is fun to just sit back with a cold beer and watch someone else playing with the troll……….

Matti

November 24th, 2010
11:25 am

Fred,

It is time to loosen up and enjoy the holiday season, after all. ;-)

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
11:28 am

Does T know how tall you are?
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I don’t care how tall he is. I don’t care if he’s 7 feet tall, 300 pounds with 2% body fat.

He’s still a wimp.

Oh sure, he may have some level of physical size and strength. So what?

He still has no character. He as no sense of self responsibility.

Liberals, by nature, are children trapped in adult bodies who want the government to cater their every need. They want to use government force to bend others to their will and to meet their needs.

This is what makes Josef, and all liberals, wimps.

Something tells me his dad wasn’t a liberal. Maybe his dad was even a Marine or something along those lines. He must be very dissapointed in his son.

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
11:29 am

PAULO

He doesn’t…and I doubt he knows my regional ethnic socio-cultural norms either!

Tommy…

Me? Cry? Not when I can laugh…”why can’t we be friends…I pay my money to the welfare line, I see you standing in it every time…I know you’re working for the CIA, they wouldn’t have you in the Mafia…” Now that’s MY kind of War…

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
11:32 am

Tommy

Actually my Pop was rather proud of me…especially after a certain night in a county line juke joint when some a double took to talking bad about my family…

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
11:33 am

Josef, I’ll just make my way over to garden hills and you can tell me all about it.

I’m sure your employer will love to know about you using the school computer to make threats.

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
11:36 am

tommy

No need to…if you knew your a33 from a hole in the ground, you’d know I’m not at school today…and it’s not too hard to find me…I don’t hide behind a blog name…

I guess they were wrong

November 24th, 2010
11:37 am

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy

When a nation goes down, or a society perishes, one condition may always be found; they forgot where they came from. They lost sight of what had brought them along.

Carl Sandburg

Matti

November 24th, 2010
11:39 am

The fascist leaders embolden their base by explaining that the “libs” are wimps who won’t put up a fight. That’s how the neocons instill in them the “courage” to come after us with their strong words. The radio mouthpieces reinforce this ridiculous precept daily. “They all drive a Prius, sip lattes, eat a vegan diet, and watch PBS. They’re afraid of guns, meat, internal combustion engines, sports, war movies, and the truth as we feed it to you. Now GO GET ‘EM, soldiers!” HAHAHAHA!

Yeah. Bring it. This football-loving, V-6 driving carnivore can take the nuts off a turkey at 30 yards without even grazing the drumstick. Sucker. We’ll see who cries and asks a government employee to save him.

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
11:39 am

“…they forgot where they came from…”

Yep.

tommytwotone1

November 24th, 2010
11:41 am

No need to…if you knew your a33 from a hole in the ground, you’d know I’m not at school today…and it’s not too hard to find me…I don’t hide behind a blog name…
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Yes, because you’re a big brawling intimidating a$$ kicker, we know.

You don’t hide behind a name, but you do hide behind your (supposed) size.

Still a wuss.

You can beat me in arm wrestling perhaps, but you’re still wrong about the role of government in our lives, you’re still wrong about taxes, Obama still sucks, and you’re still worthless as a person.

Throw all the temper tantrums you want.

You’re still wrong.

As for you not being at school today, it doesn’t matter.

Imagine a concerned parent calling the school, expressing worry that a potentially violent sociopath is working at the school.

Better get ready for that welfare check.

Matti

November 24th, 2010
11:43 am

jo nix,

Did lil’ tommy just threaten to have a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE step in on his behalf and solve his problem with you?

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
11:49 am

Tommy

You might be surprized by what the parents think of me…and how do you know it’s Garden Hills?

Meanwhile, though, I need to get my monthly pawn shop stuff in line…the welfare check is spent…

And as for size, I learned a l-o-o-n-g time ago not to mess with the little fellers…they’ll beat the tar out of you and never break a sweat…

wrong about government in our lives? Oy, Mate, you obviously don’t know me as well as you think you do! Taxes? I complain just as much as anybody else on that one. Obama? I’m decidedly no big fan of the Fierce Advocate…

Fred

November 24th, 2010
11:49 am

LOL this is too funny. Tommy sure is thin skinned. Does he come around here much?

I’m about to brine a turkey. Is that an unmanly act? Does it make me a lib?

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
11:50 am

Matti
It’s creeping socialism, I tell ya…insidious, lot, they…

I guess they were wrong

November 24th, 2010
11:55 am

Yep Fred it does, unless you shot it’s nuts off without grazing the leg LOL to Matti

Fred

November 24th, 2010
11:55 am

Josef, what does ESOL stand for?

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
11:58 am

FRED

English to Speakers of Other Languages…

And, since Tommy has been put on hold by the Bruin…

Fred

November 24th, 2010
12:10 pm

Thanks. I thought is was something along those lines but couldn’t make the letters work. I was trying variations of English as a second language………

LOL and all this time I was trying to figure out the “significance” of your screen name. I use one for the protection of my wife. I have a tendency to be rather blunt at times and it could interfere with her work……………

I dunno why I bother though. I’m just as blunt live and in person………..

Bad Bob

November 24th, 2010
12:13 pm

Death Tax – there’s NO such thing!

But – the Estate Tax kicks in when your ESTATE is over 1.5 million. So what if Trust Fund babies have to pay a portion a small portion of their net worth; they have plenty of money. The tax burden has been on the working people for too long.

What’s wrong with the idle rich paying their fair share?

marky mark

November 24th, 2010
12:19 pm

Matti…..wow…

“Yeah. Bring it. This football-loving, V-6 driving carnivore can take the nuts off a turkey at 30 yards without even grazing the drumstick. Sucker. We’ll see who cries and asks a government employee to save him.”

Are you married?….I may learn to like a liberal lifestyle…….

marky mark

November 24th, 2010
12:20 pm

I am lurking today….to many mouths with too few brain governors for me today….

marky mark

November 24th, 2010
12:23 pm

Bad bob…..because there are more small farm inheritance type babies out there (or family business babies) than that boogeyman the Trust Fund baby….

I guess they were wrong

November 24th, 2010
12:26 pm

Bad Bob@12:13 pm

The tax burden has been on the working people for too long.

What’s wrong with the idle rich paying their fair share?
_________________

That’s what I have been saying. The tax cuts for what is considered wealthy remain in place for those who DO CREATE JOBS.

The ones that DO NOT CREATE jobs revert to previous rates.

Maybe a kick in the ass is what the rich need finally.

And yes I do agree with the ones that want to raise the dual income limits. I would say up tp $400,000 and adjusted as to COL per state.

Matti

November 24th, 2010
12:29 pm

marky mark,

Haha! You flatter me.. *blush*

I guess they were wrong,

I have suggested this to my Congressman several times. Extend the tax cuts for the wealthy who actually invest in businesses that employ people HERE. No extensions for the ones who are sitting on it until their “uncertainty” passes. I think that’s a reasonable compromise, but of course, my Congressman will NEVER compromise, ever. (The Plutocracy depends on his refusal to do so.)

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
12:32 pm

Fred

Since it’s no great shakes to find out who’s who in the cyber world if you’re so inclined, I just try to save them the trouble…

marky

Matti’s my kind of woman…wouldn’t want her on my bad side…

Matti

November 24th, 2010
12:38 pm

jo nix,

BTW, I was pulling for both Ole Miss and Miss State in last Saturday’s squeakers. Good games, tough losses. But that’s life in the SEC. :-(

Adam

November 24th, 2010
12:49 pm

Well said Jay. I just wonder what it will take to get through to people that they are being INSANE!

josef nix

November 24th, 2010
12:55 pm

matti
Saturday…not a good time to come calling on my family!

Bad Bob

November 24th, 2010
1:00 pm

Poor old farmers, they get dragged into to every GOP excuse for Reagan/Bush tax cuts to millionaires.

Most family farmers are not rich and probably do pay their fair share. But, I’m willing to give them some kind of fair exemption to the Estate Tax (minus their subsidies). Corporate farmers, Trust Fund Babies, banksters, insurance company executives and CEO’s with their multimillion dollar bonuses – NO WAY!

I hope I heard wrong

November 24th, 2010
2:11 pm

As the repubs are fond of saying when was the last time a poor man gave you a job, or a trust fund baby or a CEO.

In my lifetime NEVER

Joel Edge

November 25th, 2010
5:31 am

“The Russian willingness to work with us and the Europeans on a missile defense system will melt away if START falters.”

If there’s American money and technology to be stolen, nobodies going anywhere.
BTW, is missile defense OK now? Lord knows you liberals were pi#$ing and moaning about what a waste of time it was back in the day.

TnGelding

November 25th, 2010
8:59 am

If there is evidence of corruption then it should be reported to the Justice Department. The media controls the elections more than money (ironically that they collect) by not giving unknown candidates the exposure they need to build a following.

Of course the GOP is harming Obama and the country. Their win at any cost strategy needs to be investigated and prosecuted if that is their intent. They’ve gone too far.

TnGelding

November 25th, 2010
9:00 am

…after all, according to them we are at war.

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Bill Orvis White

November 26th, 2010
8:18 pm

Liberal Jay and his friends do not understand that WE THE PEOPLE are taking our country back. For far too long, we have been living under the shackles of tyranny and oppresssion in the form of illegal health care, high taxe$, environmentalism and Godlessness. I’m sorry to report that it’s not enough to have a Republican House. We need a solid Republican Senate, White House, military and Supreme Court. Only then, will we see our lives improve.

Under Hussein Obama, we are furthering our moral decay. Children are on the pill. Fewer folk are attending church. Marriage is dying on the vine by the minute. Our military is being weakened into a pansy operation by turning it into a social playground experiment. They’re going shirtless in the Oval Office-thus disrespecting the office more than Bubba Clinton and Jimmah Carter ever could imagine.

It’s gone downhill and getting worse. There will be some relief when the Honorable Mr. Boehner rightfully gets the gavel from that witch in January. But folks, there’s a lot more work to be done. First off, WE THE PEOPLE need to hold the Republicans accountable. If they cannot control out-of-control spending, then fire them and replace them with real Republicans. Next, we need to work hard to oust every single rotten Democrat out of their jobs. I don’t care if it’s in Liberal California or Taxachusetts, WE THE PEOPLE can prevail! While all that’s going on, WE THE PEOPLE need to get a solid presidential candidate out of the gate and fast! Will it be Mitt Romney? Miss Sarah? Mr. Cheney? Mr. Rumsfeld? Gov. Pawlenty? Let’s get this thing started, folks!

Amen,
Bill

Jay

November 26th, 2010
8:28 pm

I hate to ruin your holiday weekend, Bill, but “liberal Jay and his friends” are also part of “we the people.”

Get over it.

Bill Orvis White

November 27th, 2010
11:16 am

@Jay
If you are dedicated to free, unfettered market$, Judeo-Christian ethics, educational choice, a safe homeland and love of country, then you can be part of WE THE PEOPLE. After reading your naive, misguided posts, I think you and your liberal friends have a long way to go.
God Bless,
Bill