GOP blinded by its anti-Obama jihad

Norm Ornstein, a scholar with the conservative American Enterprise Institute, looks on in bafflement at the behavior of Senate Republicans. For example, he writes in Roll Call, “I cannot fathom why they are doing what they are doing” in trying to block ratification of the START treaty:

“The failure of START in the Senate would endanger future cooperation and be a major embarrassment to (Russian President Dmitry) Medvedev and a big boost to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. It would also devastate the existing regime of inspection over nuclear arms, ramping up the danger of nukes getting into the hands of highly undesirable people and groups…  The Russian willingness to work with us and the Europeans on a missile defense system will melt away if START falters.”

Ornstein is equally befuddled and appalled by the blanket refusal of Republican senators to support the DISCLOSE Act, which would require corporations to reveal the huge campaign donations made legal by the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision. The DISCLOSE ACT would “bring sunlight to the outrageous, anonymous huge funders who played a major role in the 2010 campaigns, hiding behind the cloak of 501(c)(4)s run by groups cynically manipulating weak IRS enforcement of the law,” Ornstein writes.

“Voters support disclosure by overwhelming margins. So do Supreme Court justices — by 8-to-1. The only chance to provide it is in the lame-duck session; the bill passed the House in the 111th Congress and has zero chance of making through the 112th House. If the Senate does not act now, disclosure is dead….

So where are the previous champions of campaign finance reform? Where is Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), whose greatest legislative accomplishment was given a sharp stick in the eye by a 5-4 decision on the Supreme Court? Where are previous supporters of reform — and professed supporters of disclosure — such as Republican Sens. Susan Collins (Maine) and Scott Brown (Mass.)? And most important, where is Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), who has always been an independent voice, whose Snowe-Jeffords amendment to the campaign reform law was the provision most assaulted by the Citizens United case, who stood up to immense pressure from Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Republican leaders in 2002 to do the right thing?….

The urgent need to raise more and more money will lead inevitably to more and more corruption, trading votes or other favors for campaign cash, or shaking down prospective donors. But disclosure at least can provide some counterweight. It will be beyond disappointing if somehow McConnell can mesmerize or intimidate every one of the erstwhile reformers above to ignore their principles.”

Mr. Ornstein, prepare to be profoundly, repeatedly disappointed. As these and other examples demonstrate, congressional Republicans have no interest in governing — they don’t even have much interest in politics as it is normally understood. They have convinced themselves and their followers that the continued presence of Barack Obama in the White House represents a danger so fundamental to the country’s future that fighting him justifies ignoring every other problem put together, from national security to open elections to the economy, and they are intent on acting on that belief.

This is a holy war, and it’s going to get ugly in ways that even now are difficult to fully imagine.

257 comments Add your comment

Fred

November 24th, 2010
7:59 am

So what’s new?

why is the trickle down yellow?

November 24th, 2010
8:01 am

Jay – they haven’t found a way to give Halliburton the contract yet

Fred

November 24th, 2010
8:05 am

What’s that supposed to mean trickle? Haliburton has been doing the dirty work since AT LEAST the Clinton Administration, and usually with a no bid contract. That lie is old. The republicans do enough dirty deeds without you having to lie about them. Stick to the truth, it will serve you better.

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
8:07 am

Voters support disclosure by overwhelming margins.

I’m so old I can remember when Republicans were insisting that healthcare reform had to be stopped dead, dead I say! in its tracks because the word “Obamacare” wasn’t polling well.

Good times!

Call it like it is

November 24th, 2010
8:07 am

Didnt we have this same discussion Monday. Is Wednesday left over day?

Fred

November 24th, 2010
8:09 am

And in breaking news, one day too late for the blog on the topic, Velma Hart was laid off…………..

Sunny's Share

November 24th, 2010
8:10 am

Normal

November 24th, 2010
8:11 am

I can’t help but wonder if this same kind of overt hatred toward President Obama would have been the same if Hillary Clinton was President. It saddens me deeply to think that one of our political partys would stoop to play on primal fears just to win elections.

When will the GOP give specifics as to how they will fix things? Why is getting President Obama their number one priority and not getting jobs back and improving our economy?

Why is a tax cut for the rich more important than unemployment benefits for those who can’t find work?

Just exactly to whom have the GOP sold their souls?

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
8:13 am

I can’t help but wonder if this same kind of overt hatred toward President Obama would have been the same if Hillary Clinton was President

of course it would. It’d probably be worse. Misogyny is about a dozen times more socially acceptable than is racism.

Fred

November 24th, 2010
8:13 am

That makes me wish I was a horse Sunny…………….

Jimmy62

November 24th, 2010
8:13 am

Is Obama going to reveal all the anonymous foreign donations paid by credit card to his campaign? I think not, and I doubt you will ever call for him to do so.

Hypocrisy, thy name is liberal.

Granny Godzilla

November 24th, 2010
8:16 am

Damn the GOP for their party first garbage.

JohnnyReb

November 24th, 2010
8:19 am

Beware of anything that just has to happen today, whether it is buying a used car or passing a treaty. If its a good thing, it will be good in the new Congress.

Just me

November 24th, 2010
8:21 am

Democrats are the ones blinded by Obama. And, GG, party first is better than socialism first.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 24th, 2010
8:22 am

Well, I might of knowed Bookman would start the day with a attack on Republicans. There’s no good reason to pass this treaty right away. We’ll get around to it right after we get this Kenyan out of the White House. First we’ll blast him a little for giving our Security away. Later we’ll blast him for not passing a treaty and making us safe. This stuff takes time. Before all that stuff we got to give him a working over for letting N. Korea by with attacking S. Korea. We got to make him look like the 90-lb. weakling that he is.

Have a good day everybody.

Voice of Reason

November 24th, 2010
8:23 am

As a fiscal and social conservative (not to be confused with a Republican), I have nothing but disdain for the majority of Obama’s policies and tactics. However, (I can not believe I am about to write this) in this case, I agree with you Bookman (ouch! Like Fonz saying he was ‘wrong’, I may not could have spoken those words…)

Happy Thanksgiving!

God bless the USA!

Pro business, anti obama

November 24th, 2010
8:23 am

Our earnestly-industrious Founding Fathers were proudly pro-business, so they did not use pseudonyms when they signed the philatelist-inspired Declaration of Independence and risked the necktie-party with the business-unfriendly King. (RSVP!) Today, fairly-lazy, yet cunning Darjeelingists’ backlash against Barack Obama is a barometer of the back-to-the-future, deja-vu view that lazze-faire economic policy, even it if results in catastrophe,(Bear Sterns et al), provides more growth and security.

The democrats have to understand that experiments in entitlements like Mao’s Cultural Revolution are as effective as Moe, Larry and Curly’s foray into High Society in episode 39: Everyone involved ended up with pie on their face. Thus socialism’s entitlementalists have no viable alternative but to duck, (saucily)..

We are stuck with unbridled capitalism and the accompanying wars that will ultimately destroy us. The point here is that if we nuke Korea and Iran now we probably will win, with maybe 20 million Americans and Allies killed, 50 million tops. But we have to strike now, today.

The bombing will begin in five minutes.

Think of the growth.

Jay

November 24th, 2010
8:23 am

Jimmy, you cannot disclose something that doesn’t exist in the first place.

And it’s telling that Republican hatred of Obama is so intense and over the top that you and others feel the need to invent things in order to try to justify it.

Granny Godzilla

November 24th, 2010
8:23 am

and damn the mindless who don’t know socialism from an ice cream social.

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
8:24 am

Beware of anything that just has to happen today, whether it is buying a used car or passing a treaty. If its a good thing, it will be good in the new Congress.

Or getting a job. After all, there are more important things to do today such as defund NPR.

vince neil

November 24th, 2010
8:24 am

Hey Jay…..Keith Oberman called..he wants all of his posts back….Happy Thanksgiving Turkeys!

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
8:24 am

“congressional Republicans have no interest in governing — they don’t even have much interest in politics as it is normally understood.”
That has some truth to it. Less government means less interest for intruding into all American lives. The normal understanding of politics is what the American people are sick of and repudiated that on Nov 2. Praise the GOP for sticking to their values and traditions that doesnt change with an erection or some vile disgusting sexual desire.

Where's My Party?

November 24th, 2010
8:25 am

“Damn the Democrat for their party first garbage”

There. Fixed your typo.

Chris

November 24th, 2010
8:25 am

Jihad?

Seriously?

independent

November 24th, 2010
8:25 am

The Republicans have looked into the evil orb and desire the ring. Now their souls are corrupted and they will do anything to get their prize. Not realizing nor caring that possession of the ring means their soul will also be possessed, they will be but puppets.

Jay

November 24th, 2010
8:25 am

Yes.

Seriously.

Normal

November 24th, 2010
8:26 am

Jimmy62

November 24th, 2010
8:13 am

Just me

November 24th, 2010
8:21 am

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You guys are the reason America will never be the same. You have forgotten that we were founded
on principles understanding and tolerance to the difference of others.

Why are you so fearful of those who don’t think or look like you?

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
8:26 am

I know it’s not going to happen. But a very smart, if rude, man laid out exactly what Democrats needed to do in the lame duck sessions, several weeks ago.

I’m not sure I really want to know why they don’t/aren’t doing this. But they’re not.

anyway, here it is, reprinted and cleaned up a bit for your dining and dancing pleasure. The Dems should at least manage two of the four things proposed below. They likely won’t do any. Well, maybe Item #1. But that’ll be it.

Discuss.

====

1. The absolute easiest thing you can do: Get rid of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Do this and all those gay votes that went away will come home, and the non-gay supporters will be able to point to a concrete promise kept.

2. There’s gonna be tax cuts of some sort, even though there shouldn’t be. Use reconciliation to pass middle class tax cuts. Leave the tax cuts for the wealthy for the new Congress so that the incoming House is put in the position of having to vote for rich people to get more money.

3. And attach everything else you want to the reconciliation tax bill: energy legislation, unemployment benefits extension, whatever. The rules allow it. The Republicans will howl like dogs who got kicked in the anus, but, again, again, again, Democrats need to treat Republicans like the dishonorable [bleep]ers they are.

4. Pass the Disclose Act. The bull[excrement] excuse Republicans used for opposing it was that it was an election year stunt. Okay, it’s not an election anymore. Let’s get a little of the anonymous corporate money out of the process. If the bill is filibustered, make them own it and answer for it for the next two years. (This is perhaps the most naively optimistic part of a generally naively optimistic post here.)

As the Rude Pundit writes this, Mitch McConnell, who, it should be noted, is the [bleep]ing minority leader, is talking as if he is in charge now, as if he runs the Senate. And why the [bleep] not, since he essentially did for the last couple of years? Use the next couple of months, dear, defeated Democrats, to walk away with some dignity and not allow yourselves to be whipped out of town by the rats and the bullies.

Jay

November 24th, 2010
8:26 am

… because “crusade” doesn’t quite capture the fervor and fury behind it.

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
8:27 am

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
8:24 am
“Or getting a job. After all, there are more important things to do today such as defund NPR.”

Well you choose which laws we should enforce. I understand that makes two laws you think we should ignore, illegal immigration & violation of rules concerning using federal money.

El Jefe

November 24th, 2010
8:30 am

Gee. call me a conservative, but aren’t there more important items to handle during the lame duck session?

A treaty can be done anytime, but items like extending the current tax code seems a bit more in line with helping the working American folks.

Logic 05

November 24th, 2010
8:31 am

I’ve started to notice a trend with Jay’s posting.
Democrats = Good
Republicans = Evil
Obama = Genius
All Republicans = Morons

Deep Throat

November 24th, 2010
8:31 am

Damn the dumocrats for their blind patronage to Obama

Chris

November 24th, 2010
8:33 am

Disclosure would be fine as long as ALL UNIONS are treated the same as other corporations.

Fred

November 24th, 2010
8:35 am

“… because “crusade” doesn’t quite capture the fervor and fury behind it.”

Interesting analogy. It also has our cultural bias included in it. Both words suggest a “holy war.” A “crusade” by western standards is a holy, noble thing. Yet we view a jihad as in irrational act called for by fanatics and suggests rampant indiscriminate violence………….

geigh bookmen

November 24th, 2010
8:35 am

so whats in it for you jay?

want to marry your boyfriend finally? have an abortion?

Reality

November 24th, 2010
8:35 am

Republicans are doing what they are doing soley because The President is BLACK, which scares them to into beleiving they have “lost” their country and they are acting out. Sad but too obvious not for someone to mention the TRUTH.

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
8:36 am

The progressive liberals are really going to get funny and nasty. I love their penchant efforts to defend socialism and Obama.

georgedawg

November 24th, 2010
8:37 am

Jay, 11/2/2010 election results tell how much the public ,in general, likes Obama. Just think if you didn’t let people vote unless they qualified to by paying income taxes. ie they weren’t just voting because of what they get from the Obama/democrats.
Obama’s appointments and agenda is what sunk him.
Between you and Tucker you are going to drive the AJC out of business. Since your both incredibly lousy journalist with a liberal head up your butt agenda you’ll be sunk, too.

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
8:37 am

anti-Obama jihad

Well, they do consider themselves to be the “party of God”, so there’s a kind of consistency I guess.

(in Arabic, that’s translated as “Hezbollah.” just so it’s clear.)

Normal

November 24th, 2010
8:39 am

About the START Treaty thing…someone help me understand. As a reason for war with Iraq, wasn’t the Republican catchphrase, “don’t let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud”?

Isn’t START a verification/inventory of the nukes of ours and the Russians?

Aren’t we afraid of, without the treaty and its verification, terrorists getting nukes and…gee…having the smoking gun be a mushroom clould?

How does this help our countries security, a supposed GOP standard?

Someone please explain that to me…really.

Rightwing Troll

November 24th, 2010
8:40 am

With all that’s wrong with the economy, why in the f$%k are we even discussing don’t ask don’t tell?

The Dems are just as dissappointing as the hate baggers these days.

Health care is important, but we had bigger fish to fry.

The “conservatives” represent more of McSame, and now so do the Dems.

Instead of looking for fresh blood and ideas, they affirm Pelosi’s failed leadership. While over across the aisle the “conservatives” sweep back into power without even pretending to have any ideas or answers.

Mick

November 24th, 2010
8:40 am

Unfortunately, this is the country we have become not the country we wish we were. Factor in the possibility of president palin or another term for obama, and the divisions seem to be sustained for years to come. Meanwhile, the country keeps unravelling with no end in sight – bummer.

Joe the Plutocrat (the artist formerly known as paleo-neo-Carlinist)

November 24th, 2010
8:40 am

yawn. I feel like I’m sitting on the couch, drifting asleep watching football. of course the GOP is “blinded” by Obama, and it is there “play” to blind their base, and any “exhausted” folks on the fence with fabrications, distortions and allegations about everthing from birth certificates to faith, to place of birth.

andygrdzki

November 24th, 2010
8:41 am

“Don’t blame Kyl for START treaty holdup”, see http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2010/11/21/20101121kyle-start-treaty-robb.html
Since this is not from the Washington Post, or Huffington, or NYT, it will be reject by you Dems and libs…. We all know you are the only ones that are correct……LOL..LOL..LOL…
The hatred exhibited by you Dems and libs of former President Bush, talk about a jihad…. Or have you for gotten that….

Joe the Plutocrat (the artist formerly known as paleo-neo-Carlinist)

November 24th, 2010
8:41 am

“THEIR play”

ml

November 24th, 2010
8:41 am

the hatred towards obama has been absolutely evil, every christian that has taken part in it should be ashamed of themselves. you don’ t have to like the guy and i disagree on some things he has done, but the hatred towards him and the mean things i’ve seen people say and do are just horrible. on the same scale as the hatred of the jews in nazi germany. their focus is hate, and that hate is killing country. and just so you know, when you go out of your way to hurt america, it means you are not a patriot!

Fred

November 24th, 2010
8:42 am

jay,

Could you explain to me the sudden urgency in the START treaty? It expired on December 5, 2009. The current proposal was signed by President Obama and President Medvedev on April 8, 2010. That’s seven months ago? Why is it so urgent to do it NOW?

SORT is in place until 2012……….

Bye Bye Empire

November 24th, 2010
8:44 am

Good morning, halflings.

I’m not real familiar with Ornstein himself but it sure sounds like he’s yet another victim of the coup that’s taken place on the right and has scrambled our entire political spectrum. Nowadays, as has been observed, old school hawks and extremists like Henry Kissinger are dismissed as sissies. So, such fine sentiments as those of Mr. Ornstein will fall on deaf ears.

Instead, we have the troops who are busy catering to the folks – like our friend above “williebkind” – who have stumbled onto the stage of political debate with their mumbling about “socialism”, etc. You know ’socialism’, that old term that had seemed obsolete in the end of history 90s but has now been placed on the lips of the half-educated by the various blockbuster demagogues. These are the voices that get a hearing these days.

Government shutdown here we come …

zinc

November 24th, 2010
8:46 am

It cracks me up to see how bent out of shape the small minded conservatives get when Bookman posts ANYthing. I often feel sad for many of you living such an angry life. Attack the messenger, name call, raise irrelevant or non-existing issues–that’s all you got?

Deep Throat

November 24th, 2010
8:46 am

Jay you are becoming just like c.t. and we know that far from a compliment, you are constantly bashing people on the right , saying how they are fear mongering, perhaps its time to take a step back.
If a party disagrees with another party, what makes your party right ? In your mind or most peoples mind their ideology drives their decision, but, does that actually mean you are right. No sometimes we need to compromise, that is something Obama has not tried, he has stayed steadfast with his own agenda, even ignoring the majority of the people.
Has the GOP always been right, no, but as of late they have been more in tune with the country.
So when I hear you or anyone else party bashing , well that dog just won’t hunt.

barking frog

November 24th, 2010
8:48 am

Is there not a Democratic Majority in Both Chambers and
a Democratic President? How can the Republicans block
anything? If START is not ratified the Democrats must
block it.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
8:48 am

Does START preclude research into purely defensive systems, such as Reagan’s proposed SDI? The Russians say yes. Is that – alone – not sufficient reason to reject the treaty? Why would we totally disarm ourselves as the Iranians and NorKs ramp up their capacities for mass destruction.

Randy

November 24th, 2010
8:49 am

Jay do you ever stop to think about the reasons Conservatives hate Obama? Let me help you out.

# 1 Conservatives love their country
# 2 Conservatives are pro business
# 3 Conservatives believe if they earn something they should be allowed to keep it.
# 4 Conservatives don’t like the government taking their money and giving it to people who are too stinking lazy to get out of bed and go earn their own.
# 5 Conservatives think the government should be less intrusive in their personal lives.
# 6 If you started a business and it was your money laid out there at risk and it was your rear end if the business fails then don’t you think you should be the one handing out the pay raises and the benefits and not some government fed and supported union? It’s no wonder this country is in the shape it’s in.

Seeing any pattern here?

Another thing,

Let’s look at the TSA problems going on. If you wake up in the morning and wrap your pillow case around your head and then grab the corner of the bed sheet, roll out of bed and consider yourself to be dressed for the day then you belong in a different line at the airport than the grandmother who gets up brushes her teeth, takes a shower, puts on deodorant and perfume, then dresses herself in clothing that distinguishes her as an American.

You liberals cry out and howl at profiling but who exactly is it that is trying to bring this country to it’s knees? The grandmother or the raghead? You liberals are such hypocrites.

carlosgvv

November 24th, 2010
8:49 am

The Republican Party is utterly, totaly and completely owned by the big special business interests. Serving them is the one and only thing the Republicans are interested in. Once you fully understand this, their actions make perfect sense. Defense spending is big business so of course the Republicans will be against anything that would hurt military industrial-complex profits.

USMC

November 24th, 2010
8:50 am

Is this sort of like:

“DNC blinded by it’s ANTI-Bush jihad”

Unbelievable the Liberal hypocrisy!

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
8:50 am

Dear Bark @ 8:46, the Constitution requires treaties to obtain a 2/3s approval for ratification. GOP does have capacity to block.

Mint Berry Crunch

November 24th, 2010
8:50 am

Hey Sunn’y, you are one beat down behind. The Dem’s and Obama just got the beat down. Who would of thunk it just 2 years ago, but Obama is just so incompetent. America knew he was black when they elected him, but did not know he was a radical liberal socialist. America learned Obama’s true character and are now rejecting him.

lovelyliz

November 24th, 2010
8:51 am

The GOP isn’t governing. They are paid by the people to protect their big $$$$$$$$$$ corporate sponsors.

El Jefe

November 24th, 2010
8:52 am

Answer me this, with Democrat in control of the Senate, why not bring it up and let it get voted down fair and square?

Oh, maybe that is way, the lefties just want something to whine about and let the Bush era tax cuts expire – gee won’t that be grand for every working person – I mean conservative, the left is the party of free loaders and cry babies.

StJ

November 24th, 2010
8:52 am

“they don’t even have much interest in politics as it is normally understood”

Which is to say, they have no interest in blanket approval of Democrats’ agenda, regardless of attempted coercion or bribery. (applause) At least they’re half-listening to the voters.

Union

November 24th, 2010
8:53 am

“This is a holy war, and it’s going to get ugly in ways that even now are difficult to fully imagine.”

this is how words lose their true meaning..

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
8:53 am

Fred@8:35

“Yet we view a jihad as in irrational act called for by fanatics and suggests rampant indiscriminate violence………….:

Like in Britain they are teaching the children at school how to cut off arms and hands. Also, how to stone people to death. I know in your safe liberal socialist mind that is not fanatic. We are the fanatics right FRED?

barking frog

November 24th, 2010
8:53 am

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
8:50 am
””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
My bad. You are correct.

Fred Bastiat

November 24th, 2010
8:53 am

“This is a holy war,”

A holy it tis.

Those of the R & D party who worship the state and the sheeple they lead,

agin,

those few Americans who cherish liberty.

Joey

November 24th, 2010
8:53 am

Interesting comments coming from a man who was a Senior NCO in the 8-year-long un-holy war against Bush.

Fred

November 24th, 2010
8:54 am

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
8:50 am

Dear Bark @ 8:46, the Constitution requires treaties to obtain a 2/3s approval for ratification. GOP does have capacity to block.
+++++++++++++++

Shhhhhhh. Don’t stop him he’s on a roll. Bark is the one who wrote Bluto’s inspirational speech in Animal House where he said, “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor……..”

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
8:54 am

StJ

November 24th, 2010
8:52 am

Well stated and true.

Normal

November 24th, 2010
8:54 am

andygrdzki

November 24th, 2010
8:41 am

It still doesn’t explain why Kyle was for the treaty and now is not….unless it’s because President Obama is for it too. And we all know that no good Republican can be for what Obama’s for. Even if it might mean a terrorist smuggling in a nuke for say…the 4th of July.

Jay

November 24th, 2010
8:54 am

Ragnar asks:

“Does START preclude research into purely defensive systems, such as Reagan’s proposed SDI? The Russians say yes.”

The Americans say no, and we have made it clear that we will proceed accordingly. So that is yet another meaningless smokescreen and excuse created to justify opposition born out of Obama hatred, not policy.

Charles

November 24th, 2010
8:55 am

Hmmmm … wasn’t there a President in the White House right before Obama who was blindly hated by the Left?

RGB

November 24th, 2010
8:57 am

The real question is why does President Obama hate the American way of life as he is indeed intent on destroying it.

I could list the statistics on poverty, unemployment, home values, etc. as well as his foreign policy lapses–but these failures are well known and purposeful.

So I ask again, why does Obama insist on destroying American life as we have know it for many decades?

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
8:57 am

Well you choose which laws we should enforce. I understand that makes two laws you think we should ignore, illegal immigration & violation of rules concerning using federal money

I’d like to give you an appropriate response to your reply but I cannot figure out what the hell you’re talking about. How did you manage to completely change the original topic and treat it as though it were the end result of some extended discussion.

ken R

November 24th, 2010
8:58 am

Jay and Tucker mostly write about hate for Republicans and their deeds, is it any wonder why so many people on this blog foam at the mouth?

If they could write an objective peice I wonder how many would contribute something useful. They are just as much of the problem for perpetating hatered as anyone else. If you don’t believe that just read some of their old articles.

Bye Bye Empire

November 24th, 2010
8:59 am

Very well put, carlosgvv: “The Republican Party is utterly, totaly and completely owned by the big special business interests. Serving them is the one and only thing the Republicans are interested in. Once you fully understand this, their actions make perfect sense.”

Deep Throat: “Jay you are becoming just like c.t. and we know that far from a compliment, you are constantly bashing people on the right”

Pay attention, son. As I said above, this goes without saying because our ideological spectrum has been scrambled, so where there might have been some distance between their positions in the past, now that difference has been compressed.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
9:00 am

Dear Jay @ 8:54, so long as the language of the treaty as ratified includes the “American” clarification, I am on board. So long as the language omits the “American” clarification, I am opposed.

That language must be in the ratified language because the Supreme Court interprets treaties – which have standing equal to the Constitution itself – according to the language therein. You will surely agree that leftists do not accord with the “original intent” theory of Constitutional jurisprudence.

El Jefe

November 24th, 2010
9:00 am

It is my opinion, that whatever is good for American the left hates.

Therefore, it they want the START treaty ratified, then it must be bad for America.

If they oppose drilling for oil, then drilling for oil must be in the best interest of America.

If the President says he will bankrupt coal related businesses, then coal must be good for America.

If Congress votes to waste trillions of dollars on multi thousand page tomes, then I would have to say, they are bad for America.

And guess what, the mid term elections shows some others agree.

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
9:00 am

wasn’t there a President in the White House right before Obama who was blindly hated by the Left?

uh no. there wasn’t.

There was, however, a President who systematically abused the power of his office, made up a phony case to invade a country, and became one of the least popular Presidents in history prior to the end of his second term.

Bush earned most (certainly not all, but most) of the wrath directed at him, over the course of a number of years.

The hatred against Obama was immediate, and it came from the highest levels, beginning with the de facto head of the GOP saying “I hope he fails” and then, several months later, a real-life high ranking GOP senator speaking of how he hoped to “break” Obama, as if he were a piece of livestock.

Sunny's Share

November 24th, 2010
9:01 am

Hey Sunn’y, you are one beat down behind. The Dem’s and Obama just got the beat down. Who would of thunk it just 2 years ago, but Obama is just so incompetent. America knew he was black when they elected him, but did not know he was a radical liberal socialist. America learned Obama’s true character and are now rejecting him.

Perhaps in that parallel universe you live in, you dreams are reality. Welcome to this world and the reality here is that Obama whooped the good old boy party’s ass and he is still president. You lose.

Fred

November 24th, 2010
9:02 am

williebkind

November 24th, 2010
8:53 am

Like in Britain they are teaching the children at school how to cut off arms and hands. Also, how to stone people to death. I know in your safe liberal socialist mind that is not fanatic. We are the fanatics right FRED?
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First off Willie, I’m not a liberal. Far from it. Just because one isn’t a mindless brain dead tea partier doesn’t mean one is a liberal. I think for myself, a concept you would find incomprehensible since you seem to lack the ability to think or reason at ALL.

If you HAD an ounce of brains in your head, you could discern the subtle chastisement directed towards Jay for his choice of words. He deliberately chose the most inflammatory word that represents ‘holy war.” Jihad evokes a negative emotional response to the western trained mind. I was pointing that out. But I wouldn’t expect an insipid little man like you to understand, as you obviously didn’t. it was way too far over your head.

Hush now, the adults are talking. We’ll get back to the Sesame Street level so you can understand later. Boortz is on now isn’t he? You better go listen so you know what to think today………..

Jay

November 24th, 2010
9:02 am

And Fred, I would be pleased to explain why doing it now is important.

Ratification requires 67 votes, meaning in the lameduck session it will require the support of all Democrats and eight Republicans. As we’ve seen, getting eight Republicans is very difficult.

Come January, ratification will require the votes of 14 Republicans. If eight Republicans is almost impossible, how tough will 14 be? The treaty will die.

As you note, the treaty was signed in April, more than seven months ago. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee held hearing after hearing on it, finally approving it in early September, more than two months ago. There is no justification for delaying a vote further other than as a means of killing it.

Goldie

November 24th, 2010
9:03 am

The GOP is certified nuts today.

Gator Joe

November 24th, 2010
9:04 am

Jay,
President Obama and the Democrats, with their initiatives, have rescued our economy and saved the American auto industry. They have attempted to address the significant problems with healthcare and the securing of it by those who cannot afford it. All of these accomplishments, and more, over the obstruction of the Republicans. Progress will continue albeit slowly, because of continued Republican obstruction, and in spite of them.
President Obama’s only mistake has been reaching out to Republicans and their Fox-brainwashed supporters.
PS
At the root of all this opposition is good measure of bigotry.

TaxPayer

November 24th, 2010
9:05 am

Isn’t it about time for you compassionate conservatives to start getting some folks employed and off the unemployment checks so they can get a tax cut too.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

November 24th, 2010
9:07 am

Lions and Tigers and Bears, OH NO!

Let me assure you, whatever the Republicans do, it will not be enough, because they are too coopted by the Washington system. They not only need to fight the Dear Leader (he must be overjoyed at North Korea’s latest antics; he wishes he could be just like them) at every turn, they must repeal everything he has done to-date.

Foreign policy – he gets rolled at every opportunity (by design).
Campaign donations – corporate donations only level the playing field with the unions (that was not hard for even the liberal Supreme Court to figure out).

Bottom line, Jay – We can get more sense out of a billy goat than you, on a day-by-day, moment-by-moment basis.

Jay

November 24th, 2010
9:07 am

Article III of the treaty, Ragnar, states that “a missile of a type developed and tested solely to intercept and counter objects not located on the surface of the Earth shall not be considered to be a ballistic missile to which the provisions of this treaty apply.”

Lt. Gen. Patrick O’Reilly, director of the U.S. Missile Defense Agency, has testified repeatedly to congressional committees that New START does NOT constrain U.S. research into missile defense. Do you believe he is lying?

Larry

November 24th, 2010
9:08 am

It is amazing that the liberals (how dare they use the term progressives) deplore the “hatred of Obama” by the right when memories of their name calling of George W. Bush are well substantiated in the AJC’s own archives. It is amazing that we can’t disagree with someone’s policies and suddenly it becomes a personal attack on the person.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
9:08 am

Dear Jay @ 9:02, “Ratification requires 67 votes, meaning in the lameduck session it will require the support of all Democrats and eight Republicans. As we’ve seen, getting eight Republicans is very difficult.”

We would agree that most Republicans agree that this treaty holds dubious value for America. Why then do we favor a rush to a vote, other than for purely political reasons, when there is doubt among the emergent majority?

Charles

November 24th, 2010
9:09 am

Stands – Congress has to authorize the use of our military to go into places like Iraq, not a President. But like the mainstream Liberal press you never get your facts right. But, what can you expect when you listen to people like Jay? By the way, abuse of power is a good way to describe forcing people to buy health insurance nobody wants. That’s why your Party lost big in the mid-terms.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
9:11 am

Dear Jay @ 9:07, nice evasion. SDI – smart rocks – does not involve missiles. One should never confuse ignorance with lying.

Jay

November 24th, 2010
9:12 am

Well Ragnar, you just said that if the treaty explicitly allows research into missile defense, you would support it.

I have quoted the treaty, proving it contains the language you sought.

So surely now, as a man of your word, you support the treaty. Welcome aboard.

here comes April

November 24th, 2010
9:12 am

and the GOP can’t wait to shut down the government. in the meantime, the GOP has to do everything in its power to shut down ANY successful effort by this president.

pathetic and unpatriotic

Fred

November 24th, 2010
9:12 am

Thank you for the explanation Jay. I need to mull it over a tad. If you recall, i had changed my mind Monday on the urgency of doing it right now.

But yes, if the committee has had it approved since September, it IS time to vote. Just one more question though:

Isn’t it traditional for a lame duck session to end without anything important being decided? I’m not saying I agree with the tradition, just pointing it out……………

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
9:13 am

memories of their name calling of George W. Bush are well substantiated

it was justified, and it built up over time. Hatred of Obama was more or less immediate.

(I have explained this already; please do not continue making this phony case, conservatives.)

Ragnar is here illegally

November 24th, 2010
9:14 am

I want to see his birth certificate and papers in order to blog here. ; )

Bad Bob

November 24th, 2010
9:14 am

“extending the current tax code seems a bit more in line with helping the working American folks”

The current tax rates are more about government handouts for the idle rich than tax cuts for working folks – I cleared a cool 20 bucks a week with the so-called bush tax cuts. Let ‘em all expire – it won’t make or break any middle class tax payers!

stands for decibels

November 24th, 2010
9:15 am

Isn’t it traditional for a lame duck session to end without anything important being decided?

Important? You mean like, say, the impeachment of a President?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 24th, 2010
9:15 am

Dear Jay @ 9:12, regrettably the language seemingly excludes all defenses other than a missile-based defense. Not smart. No laser-based defense. No smart rocks. No nothing permitted, other than hitting a bullet with a bullet.

Jefferson

November 24th, 2010
9:16 am

The GOP has no credibility. It makes fools of their following.

Southern Comfort

November 24th, 2010
9:16 am

I was going to hang around until I came across this hidden gem…

Just think if you didn’t let people vote unless they qualified to by paying income taxes.

From what I remember, that was tried in the form of poll taxes and such. Many Americans were killed for trying to exercise their rights as a citizen and register to vote. With crap like that being spewed here, I hope y’all have a good holiday…

See y’all in a few days. Too many pointy sheets here for this brother!!