Legislators stand on college steps to bar entry

Erroll Davis Jr. is an engineer and businessman by training, having served as CEO of two major utility companies. He now serves on the boards of directors of General Motors and Union Pacific, and as chancellor of the Georgia university system, he has brought a business perspective to academia that frankly, it badly needs.

In a conversation earlier this fall, for example, Davis said the nation’s higher education system operates under “a medieval business model that has changed at the margins, but it has to change dramatically.”

The current delivery system is too capital-intensive and can’t be sustained long-term, he said. University faculty have to become “more productive and more efficient,” and while he says he’s willing to defend tenure, “I will not defend its excesses. Tenure was never designed as a cover for boorish behavior or insubordination.”

In other words, Davis knows the importance of focusing on real problems while ignoring the distractions. And the debate over illegal immigrants in the state university system is clearly a distraction in his eyes.

Those who claim otherwise make three basic claims, Davis explained: Georgia colleges and universities are overrun with illegal immigrants;
those illegal immigrants are costing state taxpayers millions of dollars;
they are also taking slots in top universities that would otherwise go to academically qualified Georgians.

Davis, who later announced his retirement on June 30, 2011, then rattled off the reasons why none of those concerns is valid:

Of the 311,000 students enrolled in the university system, 501 — one-sixth of 1 percent — are undocumented, he said. Of those 501, every single student pays out-of-state tuition.

As university spokesman John Millsaps said this week, the university system actually makes a profit on out-of-state tuition. In other words, the 501 undocumented students do not generate costs for taxpayers and subsidize their counterparts’ education.

Furthermore, of those 501 undocumented students, only 29 attend the five state schools in which applicants must compete for a limited number of slots. (Those five schools are the University of Georgia, Georgia Tech, Georgia College and University, the Medical College of Georgia and Georgia State University. The other 30 schools in the state system are open admission.)

Just two of those 29 undocumented students in competitive-entry schools are taking slots that would otherwise have gone to academically qualified Georgians, Davis said. And as a result of a change in policy, those two will be the last two. No undocumented students will be admitted to schools that do not allow open admission.

Nonetheless, Davis was reminded, state legislators seem intent on making the ban complete, barring the undocumented from enrolling anywhere.

He listened, then paused to measure his words.

“I’m hopeful legislators will spend their time on legislation that will solve problems,” he said.

Did I mention that Davis is also an optimist?

The next legislative session doesn’t begin until January, but state Rep. Tom Rice, R-Norcross, this week pre-filed legislation that would allow Georgia to join South Carolina as the only two states in the country that outright bar undocumented students from attending state colleges. There’s every reason to believe that sometime next spring, Gov. Nathan Deal will be signing such legislation into law.

It’s important to note that other states greatly affected by illegal immigration, including Arizona, balk at such a step. And there’s a reason for that.

It is widely acknowledged across the political spectrum that our borders have to be tightened as much as possible and that hiring practices have to be improved. Illegal immigration is a legitimate problem that needs to be addressed.

But in practical terms, it is also true that most of the eight to 12 million illegal immigrants already in this country are here to stay. There’s no political capital to be reaped at the moment in acknowledging that reality — to the contrary, telling the truth comes at a high cost — but it is reality nonetheless.

The question is whether we keep those people as a perpetual underclass, available to do our dirty work but little else, or whether they will be allowed to contribute their talents and ambitions. Georgia seems intent on taking the first option.

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AmVet

November 19th, 2010
7:04 am

Good Friday morning Bookmaniancs.

I’m beginning to see a trend here.

The hopelessly misguided cons are fixated on the one half of one percent part of any problem so as to avoid dealing with the 99.5% of it. (Think earmarks and federal spending.)

Road Scholar

November 19th, 2010
7:06 am

Jay, there you go again using facts that disagree with conservative talking points! I assume since all illegals are paying out of state tuition that the young lady at Kennesaw, who was paying in-state fees, is now paying out of state tuition?

stands for decibels

November 19th, 2010
7:06 am

Davis, who later announced his retirement on June 30, 2011, then rattled off the reasons why none of those concerns is valid:

[...] Just two of those 29 undocumented students in competitive-entry schools are taking slots that would otherwise have gone to academically qualified Georgians, Davis said. And as a result of a change in policy, those two will be the last two.

yeah. Think it was yesterday I was over at Cynthia’s, the topic was “anchor babies,” and I was razzing the right-wing a-holes about their vivid imaginations.

They didn’t take too kindly to it, but I really don’t know what else to do about these numbskulls at this point. They’ll believe just about anything they’re told so long as it preys on their worst fears about people not like themselves. And they reward vile politicians who continue doubling down on the stupid.

Vinny

November 19th, 2010
7:07 am

Not “undocumented” Jay. They are illegals; criminals that deserve nothing but deportation.

Road Scholar

November 19th, 2010
7:07 am

Good morning Amvet. Fixated? I believe it obsessed (sp- it’s early!).

Joel Edge

November 19th, 2010
7:10 am

“Illegal immigration is a legitimate problem that needs to be addressed.”

Apparently not. Love the title, BTW. At least you didn’t include a remark about ax handles.

AmVet

November 19th, 2010
7:13 am

Hi Road. Yep, fixated, obsessed, beset, tormented. They all work.

As for shipping them back, I believe that is too harsh. We should just give those thousands of Georgia business owners, who profited illegally by using those “undocumenteds”, a long time in the clink instead.

Which of my “conservative” cousins will join me in this crusade?

Jay

November 19th, 2010
7:14 am

Yes, she is, Road Scholar.

Granny Godzilla

November 19th, 2010
7:15 am

Hopefully we will see a vote on the DREAM Act before the end of the year.

Doggone/GA

November 19th, 2010
7:17 am

“Not “undocumented” ”

Vinny…I know this is going to be a BIG shock to your system, but the two terms are not mutually exclusive

Normal

November 19th, 2010
7:20 am

Good morning, all y’all…It’s FRIDAY!!!

Here’s a funny…

http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/11/18/political-pictures-problem-solved-2/

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Vinny, Road Scholar…
The reality of it is just like Jay says. The ones who are here are here to stay. We might be able to stop more from coming in (doubt it), but the best thing, and I might add, the least budget busting thing, is to make them legal. We could use the taxes…

Joe the Plutocrat (the artist formerly known as paleo-neo-Carlinist)

November 19th, 2010
7:20 am

Vinny, c’mon, and you’re “illegal” when you exceed the speed limit, don’t come to a complete stop at intersections, or run through a red light. just because something is “illegal” doesn’t make it “criminal”. 1/6th of 1% isn’t a threat to anything.

Del

November 19th, 2010
7:21 am

What part of illegal does the left not get.

USinUK

November 19th, 2010
7:21 am

Doggone – not undocument … not illegal … “she’s a WITCH! she turned me into a newt! (I got better)”

:roll:

Normal

November 19th, 2010
7:22 am

Granny G.

Are you doing Thanksgiving with your Grandchild?

stands for decibels

November 19th, 2010
7:22 am

Vinny, c’mon, and you’re “illegal” when you exceed the speed limit

Vinny really should be incarcerated for his repeated violations of the law. What part of “illegal” does this illegal driver not get?

USinUK

November 19th, 2010
7:22 am

Del – oh, I get illegal – and hate any suggestion of amnesty.

however, I also hate it when people take a teee-niny problem and make it sound like the END. OF. CIVILIZATION. AS. WE. KNOW. IT!!!!

Hoof Hearted

November 19th, 2010
7:23 am

You mean our universities aren’t overrun by job-stealing, government benefit-taking, brown folks of foreign tongue from south of the border? That directly contradicts my own preconceived personal prejudices and the narrative I’ve been told repeatedly. This can’t be. You mean we’re making money off of these illegal immigrants? Gasp! I willfully refuse to acknowledge these facts and instead will attribute them to the lamestream media’s clearly liberal agenda.

Road Scholar

November 19th, 2010
7:25 am

Normal: I have no problem with “amnesty” with conditions. They must register as foreign workers/students, must pay taxes, must work towards citizenship in a concise time frame, and, maybe, pay some restitution, if they haven’t been paying taxes. Otherwise, businesses who hire them should be fined, no school benefits for them,pay for their medical coverage (NO medicare, food stamps, etc.). They have to uphold their end of the deal!

Normal

November 19th, 2010
7:28 am

Hoof,
No, but there are ones who come to our Universities LEGALLY and steal our technological secrets and take them back home to help wreak our economy. But that’s OK because the corporations would rather pay them lower wages than here. So you see…it all works our in the end.

Joe the Plutocrat (the artist formerly known as paleo-neo-Carlinist)

November 19th, 2010
7:29 am

Del, see my 7:20 – the part where a a behavior is not criminal.

Normal

November 19th, 2010
7:29 am

…works out in the end…sorry. Never said I could type. :)

Jay

November 19th, 2010
7:29 am

What part of “eight to 12 million” does the right not understand, Del?

Don’t give me pat slogans that save you from thinking deeper about the problem. Give me practical solutions.

How on earth are you going to deport eight to 12 million people? If you were to somehow find a thousand illegals a day, prove that they’re illegal and deport them, and if you did that every single day for a year, including holidays and weekends — and that would take a major, expensive effort — you’d have deported 365,000, leaving another 7.635 million to 11.635 million.

Granny Godzilla

November 19th, 2010
7:30 am

Normal

This is the “outlaws” holiday, so the new parents and lil punkin face hunny monkey will be with his other grands. They’ll all, including the “outlaws”, be with us for our annual Christmas Eve spectacular!

We do however, get our new 9 year old granddaughters by marriage for the holiday so the chances of the required annual spilt milk on the dining table remain high!

What are your plans? Staying in town?

stands for decibels

November 19th, 2010
7:30 am

Love the title, BTW. At least you didn’t include a remark about ax handles.

Let us rise to the call of freedom-loving blood that is in us and send our answer to the tyranny that clanks its chains upon the South. In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny . . . and I say . . . Xenophobia today . . . Xenophobia tomorrow . . . Xenophobia fo’evah.

Normal

November 19th, 2010
7:30 am

Road,
Under those conditions, why would one want to become “legal”?

GB

November 19th, 2010
7:33 am

None of the points made by Davis are pertinent. So what if the state makes a profit on illegals paying out of state tuition? Should we ignore the law because doing so is profitable?

And so what if illegals make up only a small percentage of the student body? Should we condone lawbreaking in other cases where most people, even the vast majority of people, obey the law?

Doggone/GA

November 19th, 2010
7:33 am

“How on earth are you going to deport eight to 12 million people? ”

And what other government programs are you willing to cut to pay for it?

USinUK

November 19th, 2010
7:34 am

Jay – “How on earth are you going to deport eight to 12 million people?”

remember the Trail of Tears? I’d place my bet on them wanting something like that.

Compassionate Conservative Businessmen of America, Local 112

November 19th, 2010
7:36 am

Georgia needs chicken pluckers and wood chuckers. It don’t need no high priced work force with no fancy smancy education. Them’s just uppity people that look down on a honest day’s work for an overpriced minimum wage.

Normal

November 19th, 2010
7:37 am

Granny G,
It still sounds great! I’m doing a split Thanksgiving. Having one daughter, son in law, two grand daughters, one grand son, two great grand kids, Mom and my sister on Thanksgiving Day, then having my youngest daughter, her husband, and four youn’uns over the weekend. My other two “out of towners” couldn’t make it this year, so all and all, it will be a lighter holiday than usual. Hope to have the “out of towners” home for Christmas, though.

An aside, this year the Graet grand kids will be treated to the Normal Alice’s Restaurant tradition!

Joe the Plutocrat (the artist formerly known as paleo-neo-Carlinist)

November 19th, 2010
7:38 am

GB, this is not about $ per se (here’s a hint: it’s about politicians who could care less about you, telling you what to think and more importantly, what to fear). just because some politician tells you it’s illegal, doesn’t make it criminal. you’ve obviously never been in civil court. perjury (which is a crime) is a legal tactic. when it suits the plutocrats, laws will be ignored or enforced. you’re being played, amigo and you don’t even see it.

Doggone/GA

November 19th, 2010
7:38 am

“Should we ignore the law because doing so is profitable? ”

I wonder how much money the state makes enforcing this law: Donkeys may not be kept in bathtubs

USinUK

November 19th, 2010
7:39 am

Good gravy, Normal – you’ve got yourself a whole passel of people!! what a wonderful holiday you’re going to have!

just take care of that hand.

and no ladders.

Granny Godzilla

November 19th, 2010
7:40 am

Normal,

I think some of the residents of the “Group W” bench blog here regularly….

TaxPayer

November 19th, 2010
7:41 am

I figger the easiest way to identify illegals for deportation is to get more of the Meg Whitmans of America to run for public office.

Southern Comfort

November 19th, 2010
7:41 am

Jeebussss!!!
“We want smaller Government”
“We want less spending”
“We want 8 to 12 million illegal immigrants dealt with”… What did you say, that’s gonna call for increased government, more spending???

Another case of blustering about something that they have no intentions of dealing with. There’s really no option but amnesty. We don’t have the human capital or money to investigate, find, and deport every “illegal alien” inside of our borders. Reagan gave amnesty, and soon we will do it again.

“I’m hopeful legislators will spend their time on legislation that will solve problems,” he said.

Boy, is he in for a rude awakening. He wants legislation that will solve problems… He expects that coming from a legislation that spent time on chip implantation??? I want whatever he’s smoking… :)

Hoof Hearted

November 19th, 2010
7:41 am

GB, I agree with your premise that something wrong or illegal shouldn’t be overlooked because it’s profitable or only involves a small percentage of the population. However, I think the point of Jay’s column is that this “problem” is utterly insignificant compared the myriad other issues facing our state today. Yet, we already have a bill pre-filed to deal with this “huge” problem because the right has taken this non-issue and blown it up into something it’s not – a significant problem. “Solving” this problem isn’t going to help anyone. It will just do 3 things: (1) we’ll have less out-of-state tuition, (2) our young illegal immigrants will be less educated, and (3) our xenophobic pandering politicians can tout their votes against the “illegals.”

Normal

November 19th, 2010
7:42 am

Enter your comments here

GB

November 19th, 2010
7:42 am

“What part of “eight to 12 million” does the right not understand, Del?

Don’t give me pat slogans that save you from thinking deeper about the problem. Give me practical solutions.

How on earth are you going to deport eight to 12 million people? If you were to somehow find a thousand illegals a day, prove that they’re illegal and deport them, and if you did that every single day for a year, including holidays and weekends — and that would take a major, expensive effort — you’d have deported 365,000, leaving another 7.635 million to 11.635 million.”

Del may not answer this but I will have a go.

First, we should not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. In other words, our inability to do everything should not inhibit us from doing something.

Next, we do not have to undertake judicial deportation proceedings to get illegals to leave. Make it impossible for illegals to get a job; make it impossible for illegals to get public assistance; make it impossible for illegals to go to college; stop birthright citizenship.

We don’t have to deport them. They will leave of their own accord.

Doggone/GA

November 19th, 2010
7:45 am

“stop birthright citizenship”

a “birthright” citizen is no “an illegal”

AmVet

November 19th, 2010
7:48 am

Road Scholar
November 19th, 2010
7:25 am

I completley concur.

But remember what happened when McCain and W even broached that subject last time?

OMG! The right wing nuts went completely ballistic!! Batshiite crazy!!

And it was one of a tiny handful of things that Bush got right.

Nope, they prefer to remain completely misguided, ineffective and utterly impractical.

Slogans and Republispeak are much, much easier…

Jay

November 19th, 2010
7:48 am

No, GB, they will not. Because even after you have done all of those things — and “birthright citizenship” is plainly written into the Constitution, so that’s not really an option — being here is still better for them than being back home.

Southern Comfort

November 19th, 2010
7:49 am

Next, we do not have to undertake judicial deportation proceedings to get illegals to leave.

What are immigration courts for then? If an illegal makes a plea for asylum, they HAVE to go before a judge. There’s a few exceptions, but for the most part, they get a hearing. That’s the law!!

Make it impossible for illegals to get a job

As somebody said earlier, how will you get your chicken, oranges, vidalia onions, and other foods?

make it impossible for illegals to get public assistance

Can’t get it without SS#’s. If they’re using a fraudulent # and the agencies don’t catch it, then that’s a problem the agency needs to fix.

make it impossible for illegals to go to college

I’m guessing you haven’t studied history and the ramifications of not educating slaves, right?

stop birthright citizenship.

Not gonna happen!!! Cancel that wet dream.

Normal

November 19th, 2010
7:49 am

USinUK,
I know it sounds corny, but that moment right before I start carving the turkey, I get to look around and see four generations at my table. The very young looking at the marshmellows on the sweet potatos, my beautiful grand daughters looking at their children, my kids looking proud, and my wife, mom and sister looking at me and I, the head of the household, get to say my usual, “May the Creator continue to bless us all.” It’s a time I will savor.
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Now as for ladders…we will be putting up a tree, so who knows… :)

GB

November 19th, 2010
7:50 am

Hoofhearted:

You use the word “xenophobic.” That means hatred or fear of foreigners.

I don’t hate or fear foreigners. I don’t want foreigners to come to my country without permission. There is a difference, a big difference.

Joe: Something that is illegal is not necessarily a crime? So what? We enforce all sorts of laws all the time for which violations only lead to civil, not criminal, penalties. Why should we condone illegal immigration and facilitate it?

Southern Comfort

November 19th, 2010
7:50 am

Doggone @ 7:45

hee hee hee… I don’t think he even understood what he wrote then.

USinUK

November 19th, 2010
7:51 am

SoCo – if you could create a venn diagram of the “stop birthright citizenship” and the “english the official language” folks, I’d bet there would be roughly 98% overlap (if not more)

Finn McCool

November 19th, 2010
7:51 am

11 million? We need their votes!

Doggone/GA

November 19th, 2010
7:52 am

“I don’t think he even understood what he wrote then”

Few people who rale about that one do!

Hoof Hearted

November 19th, 2010
7:52 am

I agree that we need to do something to stop illegal immigration, and I also think birthright citizenship is, in some circumstances, stupid (damn that constitution!). However, I don’t believe that illegal immigration and especially birthright citizenship are the major problem that we as a society should be focusing so much effort (and bluster). Sure, we need to deal with it in a factual and adult manner. There seem to be 2 extremes in this debate: the xenophobes who don’t like dark people, and the (other) knee-jerk reactionaries who are opposed to any immigration reform whatsoever. As a practical matter, do you really think a constitutional amendment will ever pass again (2/3 majority of house and senate, ratification by 38 states)????

Mary Elizabeth

November 19th, 2010
7:52 am

At the end of the last thread, I wrote a post describing how American sensibility is turning to that of a bully, thanks to the bully style influences of Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity, Ailes, George “Bring it on!” Bush, and Sarah “Barracuda” Palin. This style is anti-intellectual and lacks refinement.

I failed to mention that the Republican Congressional Mantra of just saying “No” to everything the President presents is another example of the “Bully Style.”

So now in Georgia, we have a fully Republican leadership, that continues its hardline, brutal style toward the reality of illegal immigrants in our state. It is a bully consciousness, led from Republican leadership higher up, that thinks in black/white (not race), simplistic, brutal terms – “It is either us or you.” Nothing in between. Nothing like how educating illegals would help the state as a whole
while it would also help the immigrants. No, here in Georgia, we need more brutality toward the underclasses. I guess it is a carryover from Georgia’s Jim Crow days – of keeping everyone in their “proper” places – especially those not WASP by birthright.

Again, with a value placed on enlightened education, would come a more refined way of thinking and feeling of others. But the brutality in the sensibilities of many in this state is anti-intellectual. That harshness has effected not only their thinking but their feelings for others. Woe to Georgia’s future if this sensibility is not changed.

USinUK

November 19th, 2010
7:53 am

Normal – your 7:49 got me all teary! I’ll start calling you Normal Rockwell

http://www.5000moms.com/Soul/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/rockwell_thanksgiving11.jpg

seeitall

November 19th, 2010
7:54 am

I get it now, lib. We will not enforce the law when just a few break it. What percentage of the population rapes, robs banks, murders? It’s so small we should just forget about it.

USinUK

November 19th, 2010
7:54 am

Finn – votes, hell … we need their taxes!

Doggone/GA

November 19th, 2010
7:54 am

” the (other) knee-jerk reactionaries who are opposed to any immigration reform whatsoever”

Where do you find them? I’ve never met any.

USinUK

November 19th, 2010
7:54 am

“We will not enforce the law when just a few break it. What percentage of the population rapes, robs banks, murders? It’s so small we should just forget about it.”

:roll:

ohsweetjeebus

Gale

November 19th, 2010
7:55 am

So, the actual number of undocumented/illegal students is small. What is so hard, then, about providing the paperwork to get the person a student visa? Ah, possibly the fact that it would expose the undocumented/illegal parents and siblings, and perhaps other family members? Win/win. Document the student and identify the rest of the family.

Hoof Hearted

November 19th, 2010
7:58 am

Aw come on Doggone/GA. I don’t know where there are either, but the television news can always find them as the counter-point to the “send ‘em all back” crowd. Surely, you’ve seen these folks? Regardless, I think those folks are a very small minority.

Doggone/GA

November 19th, 2010
7:58 am

“ohsweetjeebus”

Pity no one has the time to keep track of all the logical fallacies that show up here!

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

GB

November 19th, 2010
7:58 am

Jay, regarding birthright citizenship being in the Constitution and being plain. Right on the first count, wrong on the plain part.

The 14th Amendment is not all that clear on the point. Everyone knows the intention was to make former slaves citizens. The authors certainly did not intend the measure to confer citizenship on the children of illegal immigrants. There is also the phrase “…subject to the jurisdiction thereof…” That makes birthright citizenship kind of un-plain.

I didn’t say it would be easy to do something about birthright citizenship, but it is a problem and there may be ways to address it.

Southern Comfort

November 19th, 2010
7:59 am

I’d bet there would be roughly 98% overlap (if not more)

I’m wagering it would be 100%

Doggone/GA

November 19th, 2010
8:00 am

“Surely, you’ve seen these folks?”

Actually, no I haven’t. Not ever. Not on any news show that *I* have ever watched, or listened to.

Jay

November 19th, 2010
8:01 am

Well USnUK, it makes sense. Robbery, rape, murder and coming here illegally to clean our toilets and bus our restaurant tables are all crimes, you know.

Finn McCool

November 19th, 2010
8:01 am

I do feel sorry for all you folks who feel threatened by illegal immigrants. I’m sure the last thing you really need is to be competing for jobs with illegals from south of the border.

These people work really hard for a lot less money than you do and they don’t require 15 minute breaks every two hours and call in sick every time they screw up their hairdo.

AmVet

November 19th, 2010
8:01 am

GB and other Republican colleagues, so will you join my crusade to demand that Nathan Crooked Deal and Sam “Ship ‘em back” Olens empanel grand juries to investigate, prosecute and imprison the thousands of Georgia business owners who used illegal immigrants?

We need your help to ensure that justice is served and that we send a strong message to the scofflaws who profit illegally and who drive down the wages of working Georgians!

Southern Comfort

November 19th, 2010
8:02 am

I get it now, lib. We will not enforce the law when just a few break it. What percentage of the population rapes, robs banks, murders? It’s so small we should just forget about it.

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Doggone/GA

November 19th, 2010
8:02 am

“Everyone knows the intention was to make former slaves citizens”

But since it was chosen NOT to include that in the amendment itself, we can’t take it into account. We have to go by the words in the Constitution.

AmVet

November 19th, 2010
8:03 am

seeitall, you sir, would be an invaluable asset in my effort. Take a stand! Man up and demand that justice be served regarding these illegal business owners and operators here in Georgia!

Jay

November 19th, 2010
8:04 am

No, GB. The 14th Amendment is utterly clear. The “subject to the jurisdiction” language has always, from the very first moment the amendment was written, been understood to refer to foreign diplomats here at the direction of their country.

There is no serious legal dispute about that.

stands for decibels

November 19th, 2010
8:04 am

Southern Comfort

November 19th, 2010
8:04 am

The authors certainly did not intend the measure to confer citizenship on the children of illegal immigrants. There is also the phrase “…subject to the jurisdiction thereof…” That makes birthright citizenship kind of un-plain.

The Supreme Court upheld birthright citizenship granted to children of Chinese immigrants. If the children of illegal immigrants are “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States, then they are citizens. If they were not subject to the jurisdiction, then they would not be within our borders. Problem solved.

USinUK

November 19th, 2010
8:04 am

Jay – all I can say is that, if it wasn’t for hyperbole, they’d have no rhetorical skills whatsoever.

USinUK

November 19th, 2010
8:05 am

dB – 8:04 – :lol:

brilliant

andygrdzki

November 19th, 2010
8:05 am

A few thoughts from a conservative, centrist, which is more the norm that many of you right and left wing blind individuals. You can only see things one way and you think you are always correct…… really not so…

1. Adopt the law currently in place in Prince William County Virginia, it has been very effective and illegal’s have left the county.
2. Impose a $50,000.00 dollar fine on any business, union or group that hires or represents an illegal, and that can be from any country.
3. End dual language practices. Only one language in the US, and that is English. No more press one for English and 2 for Spanish…. Or be fair and press 3 for Italian, 4 for German, 5 for Polish, 6 for Nigerian, 7 for Korean, 8 for Chinese, you get my point….
4. Offer citizenship to those that come forward, declare themselves, and adhere to the laws of the US. No welfare or assistance. Kind of what the earlier immigrants had to do when they came to this country. Those that don’t declare are denied citizenship.
5. End sanctuary cities and cut funding to any city that continues the practice.

Many want to ship them all back and many want to enact the DREAM Act. Neither are viable or realistic. So where is the common ground………….

TaxPayer

November 19th, 2010
8:06 am

Clearly, this Republican yapping about stopping illegal immigrants from using up our “precious resources” via attending our state schools is nothing more than a worthless bit of table scrap aimed at appeasing their constituency. If they buy it, then the Republican “leadership” has accomplished its task without impacting the businesses and people that actually thrive from the presence of the illegal immigrants and they’ll buy it so long as people like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Mike Huckabee, et al, have a breath left in them.

Finn McCool

November 19th, 2010
8:07 am

Do you stop meth by locking up users or makers/distributors?

Ooops, dumb question, this is America, right?

AmVet

November 19th, 2010
8:08 am

stands, that is hysterical!

Ex-pat, love that beautiful “ohsweetjeebus”.

And Doggone that link should be included in almost every response to some of the less lucid here.

I’ll do my best!

Finn McCool

November 19th, 2010
8:10 am

Impose a $50,000.00 dollar fine on any business, union or group that hires or represents an illegal, and that can be from any country.

This will work! But good luck getting it passed….

Vinny

November 19th, 2010
8:10 am

It is a proven fact that when authorities clamp down on illegals, forcing them to move to other cities that welcome these criminals, that the crime rate goes down in the cities that enforced the law of the land. The majority of these illegal criminals are nothing but a plague on society and they need to be sent back to the country whence the came.

Hoof Hearted

November 19th, 2010
8:11 am

OK Doggone, I concede that you have never seen such folks. Geez.

One last thing GB: I’m not accusing you of being a xenophobe. Wanting to stop illegal immigration is not necessarily motivated by the hatred of foreigners. However, I believe the leaders of our state legislature are preying on a xenophobic tendency among a significant portion of our state’s population to make a “mountain out of a molehill” to keep themselves in power. Do you disagree with the facts stated by Chancellor Davis in Jay’s column? If you accept those facts, then you must acknowledge that the “problem” is not big enough to warrant the attention it is getting.

As for your murder and rape analogy. . . good grief. Are you serious comparing someone paying for and receiving a college education (who is not present legally in our country) to someone murdering or raping someone? I know the right is really pushing its anti-intellectualism, but I didn’t see it going there.

Vetobama

November 19th, 2010
8:11 am

deport the illegals? And bookman encourages discussion on an idea that has been Glenn Beck’s ratings wetdream for years. It’s an idiot’s argument, made by morons to impress imbeciles. it’s why a Palin can exist as a media icon. Bookman’s blog proves that America is a country of dull-witted stupes. the three most quoted phrases in the english language for the past ten years has been Duh, Duh-um, and Duh-um-uh.

We just got castrated in an election because of mob rule instigators like bookman who dumbed down the national discussion to the point where the Inquisition seems like a natural point in any election cycle. Bookman just loves to watch himself tweet, no matter the consequences to the zeitgeist. His efforts only reinforced the hysteria, and his ego prevented a needed course correction. Bookman is like the new Robespierre, shaving headlines down to the level of herd instinct, all to the sound of friday’s what-made-the-70’s-suck musical selections which have become the soundtrack of the left’s refringing.

And I think it stinks.

StJ

November 19th, 2010
8:11 am

Just two illegals are taking space that should have gone to legal students? That’s two too many.

Tom Rice got it right. I will be writing my rep in support of this legislation.

Vetobama

November 19th, 2010
8:12 am

Vinny

November 19th, 2010
8:12 am

It’s all Obama’s fault anyway.

Doggone/GA

November 19th, 2010
8:12 am

“And Doggone that link should be included in almost every response to some of the less lucid here”

I agree. Maybe Jay should put it up as a permanent link!

Finn McCool

November 19th, 2010
8:13 am

Vinny, can you show us this research?

AmVet

November 19th, 2010
8:14 am

I do want to assert my belief that “illegals are not much of a problem” is incorrect.

The cost is staggering. From sea to shining sea. I have very credible friends in California who have confirmed it there.

And the problem is not insignificant nor worthy of turning a blind eye to.

The cons however, as is their wont, always screw things up even worse.

Workable, practical solutions to make progress on this issue are always thwarted by the hateful fear-mongers that predominate their “leadership”.

So, we are yet again screwed…

TaxPayer

November 19th, 2010
8:15 am

It is a proven fact that when authorities clamp down on illegals, forcing them to move to other cities that welcome these criminals, that the crime rate goes down in the cities that enforced the law of the land. The majority of these illegal criminals are nothing but a plague on society and they need to be sent back to the country whence the came.

It is also a proven fact that those people that enforce the law do not do it for free. So, are you advocating paying for said service and if so, with what. Another tax cut.

Hoof Hearted

November 19th, 2010
8:16 am

Alright, I have to refer to Doggone’s link in response to Vetobama’s post.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

November 19th, 2010
8:16 am

So then as long as you make money off the illegal students it’s okay? Niiiice. :roll:

AmVet

November 19th, 2010
8:16 am

It is a proven fact that when authorities clamp down on illegals, forcing them to move to other cities that welcome these criminals, that the crime rate goes down in the cities that enforced the law of the land.

Once again, I assert that you are being much too tough on those Georgia business owners. Simple jail time and hefty fines should be sufficient, don’t you agree?

I'm rich and your not.

November 19th, 2010
8:18 am

When you make em citizens they stop doing “work Americans won’t do” then what happens?

Doggone/GA

November 19th, 2010
8:18 am

“OK Doggone, I concede that you have never seen such folks. Geez.”

If they are so common, and are being interviewed on news shows…how about a name or two just to back that up?

GB

November 19th, 2010
8:18 am

Jay and Southern Comfort:

You both seem pretty darned sure that there is no question about the 14th Amendment and the issue of birthright citizenship. Jay, you say there is no “serious legal dispute.”

Google it. You will find lots of discussion, volumes of discussion, of this matter concerning which you say there is no serious legal dispute.

Just because someone has a position you disagree with does not mean his position is not serious.

Jay

November 19th, 2010
8:21 am

I’ve looked at all that material, GB. I stand by my assessment.

TaxPayer

November 19th, 2010
8:21 am

Southern Comfort

November 19th, 2010
8:23 am

dB @ 8:04

Priceless!!! I’m adding that to my faves once I get home…

Doggone

Your link is a definite addition to the faves too.. I second the motion to ask Bookman to make it a permanent link.

USinUK

November 19th, 2010
8:23 am

“It is a proven fact that when authorities clamp down on illegals, forcing them to move to other cities that welcome these criminals, that the crime rate goes down in the cities that enforced the law of the land.”

if it is a “proven fact” – then support it with a link tha demonstrates it as such.

because I would be interested to know 2 things: 1) what is the time horizon for this decrease in crime and 2) the size of the decrease.

you could say that, as part of this law enforcement effort, crime dropped by 1% over the course of 3 months that there was heightened police activity … it would have had nothing to do with the number of illegals, but everything to do with the number of cops on the beat.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 19th, 2010
8:24 am

Well, us rednecks are better than them, so they ought to be deported. They took Those People from us with this Equal Rights junk, so we got to have somebody we’re better than. So I say no amnesty. And Bookman’s wrong. If the guvmint just paid the gas for about a million of us rednecks and our pickups, we could haul all the illegals and dump them across the border in maybe four weeks.

That’s all I got to say. Have a good Friday everybody.