Truth is, the American people don’t know what they want

“The public demands that something be done, and that nothing be done, which leaves theater the only option.”

And Zarathustra nodded and blinked.

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They want to know, ‘Where’s the happy ending?’ ”

“The massage parlor” immediately leaps to mind.

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I don’t really think congress has recently cared too much about what the public actually wants.

On another note, it looks like the numbers favor tax increases more than cutting spending, i.e. less people are uncomfortable about it. Also the questions should probably be pieced out a little. People will likely focus on the one thing in the question that makes them uncomfortable and stick with that.

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“The public demands that something be done, and that nothing be done, which leaves theater the only option”

Your premise is correct, but your conclusion – “theater the only option” – is erroneous. The only option is to elect a super majority Republican House and Senate and a Republican President. They will be able to fix everything by doing more of what caused the problem in the first place, while simultaneously stopping everything that didn’t cause the problem. Its economics 101, really. Then when the failure reaches even more epic proportions, they can blame the next elected Democratic President for not preventing it.

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The GOP is who cause the mess, you kids learn nothing just memorize your lines.

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saywhat?, I enjoyed that comment

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“Then when the failure reaches even more epic proportions, they can blame the next elected Democratic President for not preventing it.”

Why is that NOT “theater”? Sound like it is to ME!

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What does the public really want? Bread and circuses. The politicians give us plenty of the latter and so far we’re not having to stand in lines for the former, so I’d posit all is well in Canaan…

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You know what this country needs is a “get even day”

One day a year, anyone who has been wronged during the year will be allowed to “get even”.

Do you think people would wrong someone if they knew “get even” day was comeing?

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“you’re right, MD, that unpaid-for prescription drug benefit really put it over the top.”

Yep, that one didn’t help either.

Let’s look over at Greece and France and soon to be others………….how many programs are left when there is no money for any of them??

Or, what good is buying car # 6,and 7 when one couldn’t afford 1-5?? In the end, how many cars do we get to keep??

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you know what’s funny about defense spending? from whom do we need to be “defended”? who is going to “invade” the USA? seems to me the biggest threat to the United States is Washington, DC.

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And this is where a strong statesman needs to come in with some common sense and say what is actually needed without regard to political ramifications:

We need to cut spending, and we need to cut it in the largest areas which are Social Security, Medicare, and Defense. It won’t be easy, and some people may struggle in the short term, but it will be better for our country.

We also need to redo our tax system. Whether that means letting ALL Bush tax cuts expire or getting rid of the IRS completely, either way, there will be pain here also for a great number of people.

And while we are doing this, reducing government results in many people not having jobs. Less money is moving through the government to pay things like wages for researchers, scientists, and farmers. This results in less payments to those who build lab equipment, those who build tractors, and those who build rockets. So at the same time we are reducing the government we need to increase the job market in the Public arena.

I’m looking at you big businesses who are hoarding so much money right now. Spend it to hire all these unemployed, and the future unemployed workers who will be coming OUT of the government’s paycheck.

Alas, I haven’t seen any politician say this yet.
There are no more statesmen

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“Do you think people would wrong someone if they knew “get even” day was comeing?”"

There will always be those that feel they are special and the law does not apply……….

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Scout,
And amazingly, they don’t seem to know “why”! Just very generic ramblings about “don’t like change” and stuff.

That’s what amazes me from those who ramble on about Obama, but don’t clearly state why. He’s not perfect by any means, but he certainly isn’t the downfall to the country people try to make him out to be.

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Scout @ 5:31- How considerate of you to decide for the other 299,999,999 Americans what they don’t want. All along, I thought what they didn’t want was more of the likes of you. Go figure.

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Truth is, the American people don’t know what they want

About damn time somebody spoke the truth. If it were not more obvious, 47% thinks Obama’s policies are about right and 41% think that for Republican policies. Unless Obama is a closet Republican, there’s some serious partisan disconnect going on in this country. We are no longer the economic king we once were. We’re either going to have to swallow the red pill or the blue pill. It’s decision time…

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America is very good at regurgitating misinformation. Critical thinking has gone AWOL.

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Logical Dude,

I was just looking at my Congressman’s facebook page. People are posting their demand that he do whatever he can to impeach the President. Now. Because they know the Constitution… (hahahaha!) Obama should be marched out in handcuffs, yet, no charge or violation is offered as a reason. Apparently, thinking he’s a jerk who’s ruining our country should be enough to overturn the electorate’s decision. I mean, they SAID so. ‘Nuff said. Heh.

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I think everyone agrees earmarks are not much of a reduction. But they are a symbol of what the voting population seems to want. Deficit reduction, but not too fast. I think this is one of those “toes in the water” action. If this works, try another step…..I also think this is what Obama misunderstood….hope right now is good, but change slowly…..

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Q24c And in your view are the policies of the Republican Party too anti-working American family, too pro-working American family or about right?

Too anti-working American family………………………..89%
Too pro-working American family…………………………. 3%
About right………………………………………………………8%

Let them eat cake…

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Logical Dude

That was a reference to The Matrix. We can either continue to live in the dream world, or we can open our eyes and deal with the real world.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6qG4yn-Ps

Red Pill/Blue Pill

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“Unless Obama is a closet Republican, there’s some serious partisan disconnect going on in this country”

And here ended the first discourse of Zarathustra.

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Oh whoopee…I missed the Sarah Palin smudgeout but I get the meaningless charts. on what America doesn’t know what it wants. Sure, America got all spoiled and voted in their precious guy and now they see what they got. No wonder they are afraid to move. IT MIGHT HAPPEN AGAIN!!!

So let’s just sing “happy days are here again” and assume that debt never killed anybody. Just starved ‘em to death.
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So, I guess we get to see who are the true LEADERS. This is when our leaders need to “jump in the water” together and quit blaming each other. The Voting public is going to object to anything that is done because they are pretty uninformed on the issues thank to Faux news etc. so just do what needs to be done .

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“I bet there would be a pretty high affirmative to that one and then the next question would be, would you be willing to eliminate the waste and fraud.”

Well, if Obama actually turned down IBM as it’s ceo says he did, I say not willing.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-world-cavuto/transcript/ibm-ceo-administration-turned-down-free-offer-hunt-out-health-care-abuse

And yes, it is Fox, but the interview is with a big dem, Zuckerman.

I’d certainly like to hear the other side of the story………..

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@kamchak – “love you long time”

I certainly am flattered, but I’m saving myself for Summer Glau.

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Guys, don’t swallow the blue pill if you are alone.

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Retired E…. I agree. Do the right thing. Not always easy but there are a lot of hypocrites who know that they are merely pandering.

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Sorry Kamchak,
Summer Glau is mine! I’m sure she . . .

Okay, no more “Happy Ending” jokes for me!

What I meant to say was “Summer Glau for President!” Yeah! That’s the ticket!

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Matti, & Bada Bing,
(from the blue pill bottle)
And if there is stiffness for more than four hours, call your doctor!

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RW, 6:02

Doncha know? This is a liberal opinion blog and only “loaded” charts are presented. Now get your ducks in a row . We don’t want you tossed overboard to the sharks.

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For those too afraid to open a link because it came from Fox:

“SAMUEL J. PALMISANO, CHAIRMAN & CEO, IBM: We could have improved the quality and reduced the cost of the health care system by $900 billion. I said we would do it for free to prove that it works. They turned us down.”

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md,
Was there a reason? Any comment from anyone else regarding this? There could be many reasons, but very few legitimate ones that I can think of.

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“Summer Glau for President”

She’s got my vote!

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“And if there is stiffness for more than four hours, call your doctor!”

I end up with that “problem”, I won’t be calling any doctors……..maybe play doctor.

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Sorry Kamchak,
Summer Glau is mine! I’m sure she . . .

That’s not what she said last night….

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Uh…. my bad. It’s *River Tam* (the character played by Summer Glau in the eff-the-fascist-establishment sci-fi series) who’d get my vote.

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“Was there a reason? Any comment from anyone else regarding this? There could be many reasons, but very few legitimate ones that I can think of.”

Have yet to see one. Would love to see anything if anyone has anything on the subject. I find it just as interesting that we don’t hear anything.

And Zuckerman says he was privy to the info, so that peeked my interest.

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Logical Dude

Agree to disagree. Thanks for the post.

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md

That was a heckuva thought-provoking interview.

Summer Glau? Be nice or she’ll terminate you -

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If it lasts longer than 4 hours call a doctor. Only if she is pretty !

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PAUL

Got ya downstairs…no problem, I’m bouncing back and forth between here and Africa..! International Dinner coming up and I’m trying to pull together some poster-work…thank G-d for the gifts of old National Geographics for cut and paste!

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So what’s the point of this, Jay?

How to get Jay excited:

Ask questions of 1000 randomly selected Americans designed to invoke responses favorable to liberal positions. Get liberal results. Celebrate a 49% approval rating for the Messiah as justification for his democratic-socialist polices.

Please get real, Jay.

Thanks.

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Doggone/GA@5:32 pm
BTW Jay…I disagree with your headline. I think the American public knows WHAT they want, they just don’t know how they want the medicine to get it delivered.
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break out the KY jelly, its a suppository lol

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I would disagree with the headline. The American people know exactly what they want; it’s just that they have 300 million different ideas about what that should be. That’s where the rub comes in.

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“Of course the fact that Fox reported this in that way indicates they are just trying to imply that this means the government isn’t serious about waste.”

And I would agree with that assessment IF Mr Zuckerman hadn’t concurred. He certainly doesn’t fit the Fox mold. So….how would you explain that aspect of the equation??

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md

I listened to your link and found it interesting.

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“To put things in perspective, even after the past election, the Republicans are not even back to being where they were in 2006!!

That’s how bad those back to back slaughters were.”

OK Am, your math is confusing……….back to back slaughters covered a 4 year period, while this gain only covered a two year period………comparing apples to oranges are we??

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F. Sinkwich: So in other words the answer is yes, an approval rating that’s higher than you expected 2 weeks after the election is your only evidence that the poll must be liberal.

Thank you. No further questions. You may step down now.

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md: referring more to the headline and portrayal of the “news.”

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josef nix: America is composed largely of people who make up their own minds and resent anybody from either “side” telling them what they must think.

America is composed largely of people who THINK they make up their own minds, but who in fact just follow whatever news story they are told FIRST. Any news after that, even if it refutes the original story, is not believed. And people think because they have supposedly heard both sides that they have made up their mind. Some still think that they have made up their own mind hearing it from ONE source.

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America is composed largely of people who make up their own minds and resent anybody from either “side” telling them what they must think.

Agreed! The problem is that there are enough idi– I mean, er, fellow citizens who allow themselves to be shaped, molded, and led by bullpoop inflammatory rhetoric that the rest of us are (a) thoroughly disgusted, and (b) exhausted from trying to reason with block heads who think reason and logic are elitist ploys to be rejected at any cost.

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md, the cons went ZERO for 36 in 2006. This is widely known though never acknowledged by certain members of a certain political party. A record that will never be touched. And 2008 was almost as bad.

In those combined elections they lost a jaw-dropping 93% of the contested races for the US Congress, state houses and of course, the White House.

But enough of that great unpleasantness.

Lets celebrate some local and recent victories!

The GOP just elected a walking cesspool of ethical misdeeds, and birther, as our new governor!

As for Lt. Gov., the best woman won.

After enduring 13 years of the spinally lacking Thurbert Baker, we needed a guy who was willing to prosecute public corruption and vast corporate malfeasance, instead we got Sam “Ship ‘em back to Mexico and repeal Obamacare!” Olens.

School Superintendent – Hey 48th nationally in the SAT ain’t that bad! Instead of electing one of the most qualified educational policy experts in the state, with a fabulous resume in Jim Martin, the loathers of liberal academia elected John Barge.

And so it goes.

Republicans could care less about results. That is why the ones in DC act like such valorous paragons for begrudgingly cutting bakc on earmakrs that represent ne half of ione percent of expenses.

As for the other 99.5%, nah, not so much there…

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I know the stats Am, just not sure why you are comparing apples to oranges. I wouldn’t toot any horns in either direction until after 2012, when an actual comparison in length of time can be made.

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Hey, AmVet, we here in Georgia are obviously neanderthals, as you constantly point out.

Please move to California, Michigan, or New York where you can enjoy liberal utopia.

No need to thank me.

Just leave.

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I can remember a couple of weeks ago when people were going on and on about how 40-something approval ratings were the WORST OF ANY PRESIDENT EVER.

see also:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

For those unwilling to click the linkee–Reagan’s numbers were a bit worse than Obama’s at this point in his first term. And they sunk down to 37% before they got better.

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Adam, Matti

I suppose I’m just a naif, but I have a higher opinion of my fellow human beings. If y’all will forgive my impertinence, there is within your response a certain air of supercilliousness that, I submit, plays directly into what is alienating the mass middle ground…

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I know what I want: legislator…leave that social security alone..

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Mary Elizabeth: [Kerry] said we are losing influence around the world, as a result (my insert: not because of Obama) of falling behind.
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Of course not. He’s only the president. Wasn’t the Idiot Messiah supposed to do something about all that?

Idiot Messiah: Liar. Failure.

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jo nix,

GOD KNOWS I’ve tried, Hon! As I explained to a persistent ex-BF just the other day, I’m just sick of believing in things that aren’t there. I would welcome proof that I’m wrong. (He offered none on his behalf, btw. SSDD.)

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I can’t speak for everyone, but the people I speak to regularly want jobs. Not illegal immigrant wage jobs or unemployment benefits.

They are tired of working for next to nothing for only 6 months a year.

They are tired of being called lazy or leeches.

They want to be able to purchase health insurance that they can AFFORD.

They want to take care of their families.

They want to be able to purchase a home.

IS THIS TOO MUCH TO ASK.

The American Dream is dying rapidly thanks to the politicians (dems and repubs) that have enacted laws and trade policies that are against the people that made this country great.

The politicians voted down extension of UI benefits to hold people through the holidays until the new congress is sworn in to create ALL THOSE JOBS THAT THEY PROMISED FROM THE TAX CUTS.

Never mind the 99ers that will be starving and homeless this holiday season HAPPY F@$&ing Holidays

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…we here in Georgia are obviously neanderthals…

FStink, I’ve told you repeatedly that you are qualified to speak for no one other than yourself.

If you deem yourself one, than at least use the proper pronoun, neanderthal…

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They’re making a decision about whether to end federal subsidies to a decades old news organization because of Juan Williams? More to the point, the GOP rank-and-file could force a vote on a federal spending cut, and they picked NPR? I have a sinking feeling that this is what the GOP intends to do for two years: ride populist base fads into trivial nicks in spending, while never facing up to fiscal reality.

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Sorry md, I’m multi-tasking here. And I had to swat that gnat. I’ll get back to you as soon as I can…

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Get your plane ticket yet, AmVet?

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Unemployment benefits have already been extended o 99 weeks.

So my question stands…How many years should unemployment benefits last, parasite?

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Lil’ Barry Bailout @ 7:39

Out of everything I said – you focused only on my aside to give support to a president that I think is an outstanding president.

That being said – and I wanted to go on record with that statement – that was not the crucial thing to think about.

Rail advancement in Europe, and now in China, is moving past us. Energy techniques for the 21st century are surpasssing ours throughtout the world. Our values in this nation are becoming more and more anti-intellectual to our own detriment, i.e. Sarah Palin.

We had better wake up fast or we are going down quickly in world influence. This is not a game about winning and losing between political parties. This is where will America be in the future on the world stage we need to be focusing on.

To end with Kerry’s last remark: “Is America going to step back into the past, or are we going to embrace the future.” That is the point of my write up was – not for people to just take some easy, and in this part of the nation, popular shots at Obama. So easy to do. The problem is the lack of a progressive vision for this nation. Not Obama. He has the vision. We need to start seeing it, too.

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Doggone/GA: It sickens me.
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How much have you donated to charity to help these folks out?

You were expecting somebody else to pay, weren’t you?

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As soon as you come and pick me up, you’ll find out, neanderthal!

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lbb

It’s time to grow up and debate like a man or rule the roost with willow on facebook….

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“It’s time to grow up and debate like a man ”

You’re not holding your breath I hope.

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“What’s wrong with extending unemployment benefits until the person is employed?”

I put it as “as long as it’s needed” – but we’re both saying the same thing.

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Adam
I, too, would be interested in seeing said study in order to better judge if by who was conducting it, under whose auspices, and what was the target sampling…

Matti
Come in tomorrow night and I’ll see if I can’t find something to cheer you up! Seriously, though, there is so much beautiful in life and so many wonderful people if you just go looking for them and try not to judge them too harshly. You are only as happy or as miserable as you allow yourself to be… and, as you well know, there are those days when I go looking for a fight myself!

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SoCo, you have nothing to complain about then, because unemployment handouts were already extended to 99 weeks, long ago.

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“It’s expecting”

Are you related to “White Man” – or did you just study under the same sorry teacher on how to hold a “discussion” on a blog?

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“What disgusts me is that those same politicians will go home to happy, warm, food-filled holidays and then have the all out GALL to give thanks to the God who abjured us to CARE for each other. It sickens me.”

Ok, Doggone. Fine. But tell me, what is the appropriate amount of time to give a person unemployment benefits?

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josef nix

November 18th, 2010
8:03 pm

Greetings my friend! At least I hope you would consider me one.

Have you or your fellow combatants ever ended up at the ER or hospital? For someone as sophisticated as you to have that violent a streak puzzles me.

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Doggone hasn’t done a thing to help the folks whose two-year stay on the welfare rolls has come to an end. Why is she so greedy and hypocritical?

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Lil’ Barry Bailout @7:58

Remember Jay’s chart of a few weeks back. Job loss month after month in the Bush adminstration culminating in a terrible near Depression Recession. Even Bush said this week TARP was the only reason we did not have a Depression. All this under Republican rule. Back to Jay’s chart again. The first couple of month out job loss starting stablizing and gradually getting less and less. Under the line = Bush’s year Over the line = Obama’s years.

Also, more private jobs were created in the first 10 months of this year than ALL of the Bush years put together. That speaks for itself. You cannot change the fact that the Great Depression 1929 happened after a decade of Republican rule and policy just as the Great Recession 2008 happened after almost a decade of Republican rule. That stands.

Tax cuts for the top 2% will make deficits so much worse – Obama is not for that. Republicans are.

Obamacare will help the deficit over the next decade. Republicans are not for that.

You failed to address probably the most important thing I mentioned. America’s corporations are moving their financial interests overseas and money is going out of our nation like lightening month after month as a result. Your dislike of Obama is clouding your thinking.

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“that the rest of us are (a) thoroughly disgusted, and (b) exhausted from trying to reason with block heads who think reason and logic are elitist ploys to be rejected at any cost.”

Gosh, Matti, I think you and I agree on something. Whodathunkit!

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“But tell me, what is the appropriate amount of time to give a person unemployment benefits?”

I’ve already answered that question.

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Adam – “that’s obviously not fiscally responsible”

Good job Adam. You have a kind heart but understand that what is ideal is not always the best option for the country. Many on here are unable to make that distintction.

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Mary Elizabeth: Remember Jay’s chart of a few weeks back. Job loss month after month in the Bush adminstration
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Why has unemployment during the Idiot Messiah administration been higher in every month than it ever was during our President Bush’s eight years?

Some vision. And it only cost us $800 billion.

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“I’ve already answered that question.”

Ah, yes. 8:12pm and the attitude is as strong as it is at 8:12am. Nice.

I’m late the party tonight. Forgive me if I don’t read though hundreds of post to find you answer to that question.

Is it too much to ask for you to repeat yourself?

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Adam: I would place bets that none of us are well off enough to help out welfare recipients on a personal basis.
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If you’re not willing to help, who do you expect to do the job?

Hypocrite.

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“Is it too much to ask for you to repeat yourself?”

Yes. Since they added the “show all” function it’s just not the big a deal do search for answers

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We scream we want less government, a hands off government, a get out of the way governemnt while screaming we have a do-nothing Congress. Sounds like cognitive dissonance to me. I remember a young tea party member boastfully saying to the camera, “I want the government to spend my money on what I want them to spend it on.” She didn’t have the brain capacity to understand that another 99.99999…% want the same thing, but fifty percent of those disagree with what she wants. Therein lies the problem people think people who agree with them are either being ignored or they are the majority.

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Barry: Because we had almost a depression under Bush. The Recession happened in 2008. Under Bush’s watch! That is why. Anything that dramatic will have repercussions that will last years. The Great Depression of 1929 lasted until WWII. Think with a sense of history and time, please. Everything is not instant. Bush’s Recession is still lingering. That is why.

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“Yes. Since they added the “show all” function it’s just not the big a deal do search for answers”

Great. Thanks for the cooperation Doggone.

The arrogance on this blog blows my mind sometimes.

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“America’s corporations are moving their financial interests overseas and money is going out of our nation like lightening month after month as a result.”

And do you think that would slow down by raising taxes?? They are leaving for a reason……costs here are going up, costs elsewhere are lower……..the genie isn’t going back into the bottle……….we are the ones that must adjust………

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But Mary Elizabeth, you’re forgetting Jay’s chart where he showed that the Idiot Messiah’s job creation was “above the line”…and yet here we are two years in and unemployment is still near 9.6%.

What gives?

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Tough cookies, Mary Elizabeth. I’ll call the Idiot Messiah whatever I damn well please. Two words and they say so much. I also just LOVE the little bit of ambiguity regarding the object of the modifier “Idiot”.

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The Bush recession is over for everyone but the unemployed. Obama and the Dems saw to that with the stimulus and some of it still hasn’t been spent.

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Mary – you do yourself no favors when you try to tie every aspect of the economy to one President or party. Too many moving parts to be that tidy………………

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Barry: Unemployment needs to go down. We all want that. But the percentage is still better than it was during the Great Depression when a third of the people of this nation were unemployed – thanks to the stimulus funds.

Again, when you come that close to the brink of financial disaster, the problem is not solved simply and quickly. Some say the lack of regulation on Freddie and Fannie had a lot to do with the Recession. Both parties were guilty of that. But all of that disaster happened on Bush’s watch. That is a fact that cannot be denied.

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Strange, I never see that message about awaiting moderation.

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SoCo, you have nothing to complain about then, because unemployment handouts were already extended to 99 weeks, long ago.

I did not nor was I complaining. I was simply trying to point you to the answer you were seeking.

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“Americans will debate an issue for two years while in China we say let’s get it done.”

Well yeh…….over there they have one group of folks doing the dictating and any dissenters go to the re-education camps.

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Re: “The Messiah,” it’s funny how wingnuts are always accusing Democrats of assigning Messiah status to our current President, when the ONLY people I’ve ever heard refer to Obama in that way are the wingnuts themselves. Perhaps they are the ones who secretly hoped he’d ride in on a white horse (or black Escalade) and save the day. Perhaps “Lil’ Barry Bailout” is the one … Waiting for Superman.

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Mary Elizabeth

November 18th, 2010
8:27 pm

…and under the Gypper, aka as Ronald Wilson Reagan.

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md
There are so many theories as to why the Great Recession occurred but the fact stands that 1929 happened after a decade of small government – pull in – policies of Republicans. The Great Recession occurred in 2008 after little government regulation of Republicans. Those are facts that stand. Argue it any way you want. The facts remain as is.

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“The arrogance on this blog blows my mind sometimes”

then you’re in the wrong place

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Don’t confuse anyone with facts! There blind faith trumps them, anyway.

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I find it very interesting that no one is addressing corporations moving money outside of our nation especially in transportation and energy. Money is leaving this country by droves month by month. This is what the focus should be on. Keeping money here and policies here for transportation and energy will create jobs. That is the important point of my postings tonight.

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Make that their. That and your instead of you’re are my pet peeves. I can’t believe I did that. But I’m sure it’s small potatoes compared to other errors I’ve made today.

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Mick

I saw that this morning. Thanks for your contribution. We appreciate it.

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I want a piece of Mick’s key lime pie.

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Hillbilly

You HULL peanuts, too! I said something about hulling pecans at work the other day and most of them looked at me with that “hunh?” look…

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Looks like a few SUVs will be on the auction block.

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Matti
“I want a piece of Mick’s key lime pie.”

Now, THAT ought to put a smile on your face!

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“You HULL peanuts, too! I said something about hulling pecans at work the other day and most of them looked at me with that “hunh?” look”

I hull peanuts and shell pecans

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Yeah, the credit rating agencies played a huge part.

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mary elizabeth

The truth of the matter is that with both the majority of dems and repubs, we don’t have representative gov’t of the people but rather the united corporate states of america. The wealth and power they wield is all but insurmountable. Sure, there are some good politicians but they are far and few in between. They are essentially just voices shouting into the wind while the others go about their corrupting business.

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Yeah, I’m talking about those parasites. You don’t pay your mortgage, you’re a parasite. Particularly if you then go looking for a politician to help keep you in a house you’re not paying for.

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jay:

Last poll (Gallup) I looked at was back in August. Seems only 25% of the populace have confidence in the media (news AND print). Confidence, but not a whole lotta.

What do you think Americans want when it comes to the media?

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southern comfort

**Mick

I saw that this morning. Thanks for your contribution. We appreciate it**

Remind me – what contribution?

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Not an idiot? You mean he’s doing this on purpose?

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Now we know why Republicans are having trouble finding people to serve on the Appropriations Committee. Given public sentiment, the cure is as bad as the disease. No one wants to be identified as voting for a tax increase, but no one wants to be viewed as the person who voted for cutting Social Security, Medicare, and defense. But the alternative–doing nothing–will also get members of Congress voted out of office. A turnover every two years appears as far as the eye can see. Maybe Sonny Perdue can gather his group of preachers and pray for a miracle on the steps of the U.S. Capitol.

And this poll’s results demonstrate that Republicans aren’t viewed any more favorably by the public than Democrats. You may stop congratulating yourselves now. Two years from now, it’s see ya’.

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SC

Ok – dan uggla, when he’s hot he’s hot.

md

I agree with that, there are many unemployed who have not received one dime of unemployment while others keep getting extended – tough call.

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What do you think Americans want when it comes to the media?

What I want is, just tell me what happened. I’ll figure out what it means. It’s like when the President gives a speech. Then the talking heads sit around for 30 minutes, telling us what we just heard. I just heard the speech, spare me your bloviating.

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TnGel

No problem. I have that one saved in my favorites for every time I hear the argument about poor people causing the housing crisis or the CRA stuff.

Mick

I was talking about Dan Uggla. I’m a die-hard Braves fan. My lil girl was doing the Chop before she turned one.

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Why are health care costs still going up? Did we not bend that cost curve…down?

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What I want is, just tell me what happened. I’ll figure out what it means. It’s like when the President gives a speech. Then the talking heads sit around for 30 minutes, telling us what we just heard. I just heard the speech, spare me your bloviating.

That died with Walter Cronkite. It’s all about ratings now. To hell with the news.

I agree with you though. That’s all I ask for myself.

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ROFL…now calling the president “malicious names” is a BAD thing?

Fkn hypocrite.

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md, millions of hard-working, play by the rules, innocent people, of all stripes, colors and ideologies have been devastated by the corporate destruction of capitalism, aka that “sustained orgy of greed and reckless behavior”.

And this debacle is going to go on for a long time.

After BushCorp left office in disgrace, I said it would take a decade, minimum, to undo the trillions of dollars of thievery and damage.

But its hard to feel sorry for the “tons in the construction industry”, if they profited illegally by using “undocumented” Mexicalis instead of American citizens.

They should in fact be prosecuted and held accountable to the rule of law and justice…

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What Mick said at 8:43!!

I pledge allegiance, to the Plutocracy, of the Corporate States of America! And to the Republicans, who for themselves stand, two nations, under suspicion, with doctors and good schools for some. Amen. Not all politicians are owned, but those who aren’t are small in number, have little money, and few allies. Shouting into the wind, indeed.

(Mick, I’m not just agreeing with you because I want pie.)

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Tick, tick, tick…

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SoCo

I never really watched Cronkite. Most everybody who grew up in the Atlanta TV market, grew up in Huntley-Brinkley households. WSB was an NBC affiliate until late 70’s, I think it was. They had the strongest signal of any of the 3 stations in Atlanta at the time, so they got most of the viewers.

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Totally agree, but then we as a country talk out both sides of our mouth by demanding that these very same corporations maximize profits for our 401k’s

That’s because we allowed the companies to pull the wool over our eyes and yank the rug from under our feet when we moved away from company pensions. The original intent of the 401(k) was not to be a vehicle to fund retirement. I think it was originally designed as a tax shelter of sorts for those with ample funds to take advantage of it. We’re stuck in a no-win situation now. To maximize our retirement, we have to allow our jobs to be outsourced.

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I have not even eaten dinner. Good night all. God bless.

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Americans want it all. Now.

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I parch my peanuts. I also scotch the door, and I scotch the wheel on a car or truck, when I’m jacking it up.

Do y’all know what “hog-penning” means?

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And do y’all “roast” or “parch” nuts?

Hahaha! Stop it! I’m not answering that. Hahahaha!

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I pledge allegiance, to the Plutocracy, of the Corporate States of America!

Humorous story, about a year ago, over at Wooten’s, I used the relatively (at the time) unheard of word, plutocracy.

And man, one of the regular rabid right wingers there went ballistic!

How could I call this country a plutocracy. I must be a commie.

I posted the definition and as usual, the only thing that resulted was more insults but nothing whatsoever to countermand my assertion.

And it was obvious that the offended was pretty much toast.

And now that the term is used widely in this country, I am once again vindicated!

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soco,

It was a no win either way……..look at CA, loaded with pensions they can’t afford, same with companies that still have them………many going into bankruptcy and dumping them on us (pbgc).

But yeh, we are at the mercy of the monster we created…………we either keep feeding the monster or we starve it………lose, lose proposition.

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SoCo

The trend towards the “talking head” analysis, after speeches, goes back a long way. The first time I really remember it was around the early 70’s. It may have been around before that and I just wasn’t paying attention.

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hd

I once was flying out of DC and david brinkley was on the flight. I watched his show every sunday morning and was a fan. I went up to him to say hi but he really didn’t want to converse…no problem so I let him be. He died shortly after and I read that his net worth was around 15 million yet, he flew coach….many people from the depression era remained frugal.

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Hillbilly

I’ve heard “hog penning” but I can’t recall in what context or how it was used. As for nuts, I parch them, too. And I’m glad to hear somebody else says “scotch.” It must be a Southern Appalachian dialect one…I won’t ever forget one night at the Seder when I said something about “scotching the door for Elijah!” The reaction from some of the outlander MOTs was interesting. I painted a canvas right after that of Elijah comes to Tennessee–the prophet standing looking toward a cabin with a scotched door and the seder table inside!

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I’ll try to explain hog-penning, it’d be easy with a visual. Let’s say you’ve jacked something up, and you have no stands, so you have to sit it on 4 x 4’s or something. Hog-penning is the most stable way to do it. you lay 2 -4x’s parallel on the ground, then you lay two more on top of those crossways, (or perpendicular, if you prefer), then just keep repeating the process. That’s hog-penning.

Daddy taught me that principle when I was about 3 years old or so. I had some toy farm animals and one day he brought me a sack of corn cobs. I asked him what they were for and he said, “To build a pen for your hogs”. He showed me how to stack ‘em and the rest is history.

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“Didn’t know the “rot” began that far back”

well, beginnnings aren’t always spectacular. My own opinion is that it started then, but it was the advent of the 24 hours news channels that propelled it to what we have now.

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it was the advent of the 24 hours news channels that propelled it to what we have now.

Couldn’t agree more. (even though I love me some Soledad O’Brien)

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Anybody out there got a score on the dolphins/bears game tonite?

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amvet

Thanks – I’m proctoring an ASE test, no live stream, blocked. Fins will find a way to pull it out.

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Hillbilly

Thanks….

Well, gotta go get ready for tomorrow…g’night….

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Either the Dolphins swam circles around the Bears or the Bears consuumed the Dolphins. What about ‘Bama and GSU?

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Wallpaper hanging – now there’s a lost art.

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We don’t have the money yet this goes on and on and……….

“In fact, the war is costing on the order of $7 billion a month, a sum that is still being borrowed and adding nearly $100 billion a year to the already-burgeoning national debt. Yet in all the talk in all the campaigns in the hustings about the dangers of the federal budget deficit, hardly any candidates fingered the war as economically unsustainable.
The American public cannot have a debate on the war if it is not even mentioned in public. The extreme invisibility of the Afghanistan war is apparent from a Lexis Nexis search I did for “Kandahar” (again, the site of a major military campaign) for the period from Oct. 15 to Nov. 15. I got only a few dozen hits, from all American news sources (National Public Radio was among the few media outlets that devoted substantial airtime to the campaign).
The campaign in the outskirts of Kandahar had been modeled on last winter’s attack on the farming area of Marjah in Helmand Province. Marjah was a demonstration project, intended to show that the U.S., NATO and Afghanistan security forces could “take, clear, hold and build.”

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Doggone/GA

You mean “cousin”? There are many pretenders but very few craftsmen, that’s what I meant.

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Adam,

If you’re still around thanks for the link. I got called away and I’ll have to read it later, but we can discuss it next time we end up on here at the same time after that.

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mikefrga – sorry, but Josef signed off a few minutes ago

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Lil’ Barry Bailout

November 18th, 2010
9:00 pm
BeattheBushes: higher taxes on those that do not CREATE US jobs.
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Hmm, how many US jobs are you creating this year?

Oh, once again, expecting someone else to do what you are not doing, eh?
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I am not creating any jobs this year so therefore I would pay more in taxes than someone who was or is creating US jobs or is that too hard for your mind to absorb.

Also since the tax cuts have been in place for so many years how many jobs have YOU created in the USA with those savings? And by that I mean directly (as in how many more people did YOU employ from 2001 through 2008)

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Well, the Braves have fired the manager of their AA affiliate, Phillip Wellman. He’ll always be remembered for this. Hope he lands on his feet somewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggy6WGUFaYs

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Earmarks themselves are not the big problem, however, we cannot afford them and every dollar we can save is a dollar we are not borrowing and more importantly they are examples of the real problem. We have continuously increased the things the Federal gov’t does for 10 decades pretending that the latest ineffective program costs nothing – it’s only a million or two. They add up. They also weaken the economy. each and every one.

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You know, it’s amazing that Cooper can communicate so much in one pithy remark, and Obama….

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Thanks Jay –

you reminded me of one of my favorite scenes from the West Wing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4pB5_0AUVk

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And one more thing.

Our nation is fast becoming one which inhabited by rude, bullies – people “brutal” in their sensibilities. Why is this happening? Rush LImbaugh was, to my recollection, the first to call President Obama “The Messiah.” Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, and their boss at FOXNews, Roger Ailes all have bully styles. President Bush had a bully style when he took us to war in Iraq and
declared, “Bring it on!” I would even say that Sarah Palin, who has the nickname Sarah “Barracuda” – long there since her adolescent days – has a bully style.

These are the people most Rightwing Americans are valuing and emulating. We should start speaking out against what is happening to our nation’s sensibilties. The world will never really respect this style. Moreover, “the bully style,” which so values brute power, is an obsolete way of communicating with others.

The United States is going to be left behind not only because corporate money is going overseas for 21 Century energy, transportation interests; we are going to be left behind because of our misguided “respect” for power through force, and our newly revisited anti-intellectualism in our country.

Valuing intellectual growth fosters mental refinement which is manifest in manners, courtesy, and respect toward others, i.e. Thomas Jefferson.

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Jay,

The American people do so know what they want — it goes something like having your cake and eating it too.

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Austerity!

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