The only ones deserving of help are those who don’t need it

Unless Congress acts by Nov. 30 — which seems unlikely because of GOP opposition — two million unemployed Americans will lose the jobless benefits that in many cases account for their only income. And from there, the numbers will grow larger. Many of those who will lose benefits have children to feed and clothe; many of them have homes they are in the process of losing.

The officially conservative narrative teaches us that assisting these people through hard times is unaffordable given our deficit problems. It further instructs us that these fellow Americans are “nonproducers” or “parasites” living large — on a maximum of $330 a week here in Georgia — at the expense of the virtuous “producers.” The conservative narrative holds that these people are simply lazy, and that once aid is cut off, they will finally be motivated to go out and take the jobs that are surely available … somewhere.

The numbers, on the other hand, tell a different story. Almost 15 million Americans are unemployed, and 6.2 million of them have been unemployed for six months or longer. This, in an economy that last month produced just new 150,000 jobs.

Do the math: Almost 15 million unemployed, competing for 150,000 new jobs a month.

Meanwhile, the same political party that insists on blocking assistance to the unemployed on grounds that it will increase the deficit is also insisting that a tax cut for those Americans making more than $250,000 a year — a tax cut projected to increase the deficit by more than $700 billion — be made permanent.

In this tough economy, it might make sense to extend the tax cuts for the rich temporarily, for another year or two. But given our long-term fiscal challenge, making it permanent would be foolhardy. Nonetheless, that is the position that the GOP insists upon. Congressional Republican leaders are making it clear that they will try to kill a permanent extension of tax cuts for the middle class unless it includes a permanent extension for the rich as well.

But here’s the amazing part. The party that opposes extended benefits for the jobless, the party that in the worst economic crisis in 80 years treats forced unemployment as evidence of bad character and low morals, the party that would sacrifice tax cuts for the middle class unless they are also offered to the rich, sells itself as the party of the common man, and accuses its opposition of defending the elites.

And the Democrats, to their eternal shame, let them get away with it.

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Granny Godzilla

November 17th, 2010
9:52 am

And the Democrats, to their eternal shame, let them get away with it.

So sadly true.

horse

November 17th, 2010
9:55 am

The Republican party and perhaps other elements seem to be involved in a subversive plot to hand over the government to big business.

obamas fault

November 17th, 2010
9:57 am

A couple of things:

1st: Here is an interesting concept…..How about we use some of that stimulus money that is sitting in Obama’s reelection chest for all of his “shovel-ready” jobs.

2nd: It is not that the Republicans are against extending the unemployment benefits. They just want the Democrats to make good on their pledge to follow the PAYGO rules reimplemented by the Democrat party. How hard is it for you to figure this out? Seriously…

ty webb

November 17th, 2010
9:57 am

so letting people keep more of their money is “help”? Ah yes…I do really enjoy my occasional trips into “Bookmanland”.

Father O' Toole

November 17th, 2010
9:58 am

Money is the root of evil

Del

November 17th, 2010
9:58 am

Well I guess if Democrats let them get away with it they must be equally culpable, so why then the tirade against just Republicans.

Mick

November 17th, 2010
10:00 am

The country is in terrible condition bordering comatose, why? Because 95% of our population is middle to lower class and half of those people have been convinced to fight for tax cuts for the upper 2%. Get real people and stop protecting those at the top, they mock your lunacy but urge you onward and then you go ahead and deliver – for them! Talk about frustrating, unions are small potatoes compared to our new class of robber barons.

Scout

November 17th, 2010
10:02 am

Jay:

Seriously, at what point to you think unemployment should be cutoff (or curtailed) or do you think it should be a permanent entitlement ?

Doggone/GA

November 17th, 2010
10:02 am

“And the Democrats, to their eternal shame, let them get away with it”

AMEN!

I heard a report on NPR this morning that ties right in with that. They interviewed a man who lost his job and has been unemployed for 2 years. He estimated he had applied for at least 1000 jobs, and he averaged an interview about once in every three months.

He said that at one interview he was told the company didn’t like to hire the unemployed…so WHY WAS HE STILL UNEMPLOYED?

Unbelievable.

Doggone/GA

November 17th, 2010
10:03 am

“Money is the root of evil”

Nope, you’ve misquoted…try reading your Bible again.

obamas fault

November 17th, 2010
10:03 am

Mick, What are you talking about. Don’t you think it is a bit unfair that about half of the people this country pay ZERO income tax at all?

Peadawg

November 17th, 2010
10:04 am

Find some program or something of equal value to cut and I’m all for extending the benefits.

Doggone/GA

November 17th, 2010
10:05 am

“Don’t you think it is a bit unfair that about half of the people this country pay ZERO income tax at all?”

I won’t answer for Mick..but MY answer is no. If they are that low on the economic scale, then their FAIR SHARE *is* zero.

Mick

November 17th, 2010
10:05 am

**Don’t you think it is a bit unfair that about half of the people this country pay ZERO income tax at all?**

That is a myth.

Jay

November 17th, 2010
10:06 am

Scout, right now it’s at 99 weeks, and nobody is talking about extending that any further.

Without the extension, I believe, benefits would end after 46 weeks.

Father O' Toole

November 17th, 2010
10:07 am

I pay no tax. Preachin’ is tax free livin.

Doggone/GA

November 17th, 2010
10:07 am

Mary Elizabeth

November 17th, 2010
10:07 am

This article rings totally true.

I would like to say a few quick thank yous and one apology to people I have had exchanges with in the last couple of days. (And thanks, in advance, for my brief indulgence, Jay.)

To: WILLIEBKIND: My 9:27 post to you yesterday morning – regarding George Soros – was too harshly stated. I do apologize to you for it and I hope to see your postings here in the future. :-)

To: Josef Nix: Thanks for the additional names of the films. Will store for future viewing!

To: barking frog: Thanks for your additional compliment to me yesterday. I did notice it and appreciated it!

To: retired early: I do well remember the fine film, “To Kill a Mockingbird.” Keep telling the truth as you see it!

Harry Callahan

November 17th, 2010
10:07 am

Mick

November 17th, 2010
10:00 am

“The country is in terrible condition bordering comatose, why? Because 95% of our population is middle to lower class and half of those people have been convinced to fight for tax cuts for the upper 2%. Get real people and stop protecting those at the top, they mock your lunacy but urge you onward and then you go ahead and deliver – for them! Talk about frustrating, unions are small potatoes compared to our new class of robber barons.”

Mick, a couple of points;

1) Obama wanted raise taxes on household earning $250K or greater. There’s a lot of middle class two-income families that would fall into that trap, so that’s hardly ‘the top 2%.”

2) Many of us, while not currently in the top 2%, can see ourselves getting there with hard work and perseverance, or see our kids and grandkids getting there, etc

3) Even if I never do get to the top 2%, that doesn’t mean it’s morally right to go confiscate their money just because there’s 98% of us and 2% of them. In fact, it’s no different than any other situation where a majority oppresses a minority.

4) When you spew hatred and vitriol towards the top 2% like you just did, you’re basically admitting to all that you’re not in the top 2% now, that you nevr will be, and that none of your family ever will be, nor even hopes and aspires to be, whiich means that not only are YOU a loser, you come from a whole family of losers.

Hope that helps.

obamas fault

November 17th, 2010
10:09 am

$787 Billion was approved for Stimulus. $363 Billion has been spent. $424 Billion remains. They say that $65 Billion is needed for this unemployment benefit extension. Clearly, they can take some of that $424 Billion to help out. While we are at it, include the $14 Billion dollars that the Democrats want to spend to buy Senior Citizen votes for the $250 checks. Amazing…..the administration says that inflation is not occurring, but yet they say that these checks should go out because there was no COLA. Huh?

Del

November 17th, 2010
10:09 am

Extending tax cuts for those earning over $250.K is about 2% of budget. Obama has exaggerated the deficit impact to appease his far-left base that continually pursues this class warfare foolishness. Republicans are simply calling Obama on it and he’ll back down. Extending jobless benefits endlessly is counter productive but where do you draw the line when there are people suffering from this jobless and fragile recovery.

Mark T

November 17th, 2010
10:09 am

Jay, please enlighten us on just how long one should recieve unemployment benefits?

Scout

November 17th, 2010
10:10 am

Jay:

I hear you but if someone gets to 99 weeks (if it should be extended) and the country is still in the same (or worse) unemployment condition …….. what then?

Does it get extended again?
Does it become a de facto entitlement?

Harry Callahan

November 17th, 2010
10:11 am

Is there a problem in the whole wide world that liberals think can’t be solved with a tax increase on the rich?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 17th, 2010
10:11 am

Well, the sooner they get those bums off of the dole the better. I had to wait almost 10 minutes in the drive-thru at McDonalds this a.m. to get my coffee. It was all because these bums are living off of the dole and don’t want to take a job at a place like that. I reckon I wouldn’t take one either if the state paid me $350 a month and I could lay up and watch TV all day and drink beer and eat chips.

And then I read where the state is closing a prison down in Milledgeville. Just when we need as many prisons as we can get to lock away the criminals and the bums, they go and close one. I don’t mind paying taxes for prisons, but not for paying a bunch of bums not to work.

I tell you, we’re going to Heck in a Handbasket! Have a good day everybody.

Scout

November 17th, 2010
10:11 am

Doggone/GA @ 10:03

Excellent ! You beat me to it. Thanks.

The “love” of money is the root of all evil.

obamas fault

November 17th, 2010
10:13 am

Mick at 10:05….Myth? Ummmm…..No. Before you dismiss the number, why don’t you first check with the IRS.

Jay

November 17th, 2010
10:15 am

No Scout, it does not get extended past 99 weeks, and as I stated, there is no effort underway to change that.

obamas fault

November 17th, 2010
10:16 am

Mick, Here you go pal…
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
Like I said…”about half of the people this country pay ZERO income tax at all”

barking frog

November 17th, 2010
10:16 am

Banks and Corporations are sitting on trillions of cash
dollars awaiting what? The government is borrowing
these dollars for the short term and long term at rates
of interest that discourage their investment in the
economy. Unemployment must be continued until
people are back to work. Training for the unemployed
of industry gone overseas, never to return, must be
mandatory. Medicaid should be tied to unemployment.
Pay for it by allowing the tax cuts to expire.

Chris D.

November 17th, 2010
10:16 am

O got o various fast food restaurants every day for lunch. ALL of them have help wanted signs up…There are jobs out there, if most people that are unemployed are willing to start from the ground up.

obamas fault

November 17th, 2010
10:17 am

jay, your thoughts on why we cannot use the stimulus money. I would love to hear somebody’s explanation on this. Maybe you could enlighten us all.

obamas fault

November 17th, 2010
10:18 am

Jay, also, on that lines of stimulus money…..You say the Dems lets the reps get away with it. Why haven’t the Dems made this suggestion to use it to pay for extension. apparently, they are getting away with something too, right?

@@

November 17th, 2010
10:18 am

Wouldn’t there need to be more jobs to provide funding to assist the unemployment? I’m thinkin’ yeah.

If it’s a small business making $250,000, would raising their taxes be the incentive that encouraged them to provide more jobs? I’m thinkin’ no.

One Nation Under educated

November 17th, 2010
10:18 am

What are they supposed to do, starve. Oh, that’s right. We got freedum – freedom to starve. The same people who fight for another tax break for the richest 1%, will fight to keep an unemployed person from getting $360/week to LIVE on?

There’s a special place in hell (and karma) for people like that. There’s a cultural divide alright – between humans with empathy and sociopaths

larry

November 17th, 2010
10:18 am

Maybe they could fund the extension like the repubs funded the wars

Just put them on a supplemental budget so it wouldnt effect the deficit.

And tell the American people , waaalaaa, see?

@@

November 17th, 2010
10:19 am

Oops! Make that unemployed.

I don’t even know how my post went up. I didn’t hit “Submit Comment”.

I was just thinkin’.

josef nix

November 17th, 2010
10:19 am

Oh, Goodie…i get to spend a little time with the day crew…cantakerous lot!

On topic…
Yeah, that bunch of slackers are just standing around with their hands out for that $1200 a month, unh-hunh…

Mary Katherine….
One I may have forgotten to put on the list is “Night of the Pencils…”

Harry
Question from last p.m. You apparantly are opposed to inherited wealth. Question, what are you going to do with yours when you’ve joined the bleeding choir in the great beyond?

Mick

November 17th, 2010
10:19 am

harry

Once again, you don’t know me…my life is fine and so is the family. I hardly think that paying a fair share is spewing hatred. I have friends that are in the top 2% and unlike you, they are baffled and are willing to pay their share of two unfunded wars, and a run away deficit. To you its all about the money, period. The one who dies with the most toys wins. I say you can’t take it with you and the uber rich can damn well afford to pay more. It’s not confiscating money you dolt, it’s paying your fair share. Try to make an argument without the condescending verbage and you might just get some respect.

Del

November 17th, 2010
10:20 am

Harry Callahan@10:11,

That is not only a travesty it’s been a leftist mentality that’s contributed greatly to the economic mess we’re in. When we have to borrow .40 cents for every dollar we spend there is no way enough money can be extracted from the wealthy to cover that ultimate bill.

jm

November 17th, 2010
10:21 am

Jay, we don’t need government to help people. Because people ultimately help people.

I’m in the middle of trying to to help a homeless guy get his birth certificate so I can then try to help him get a job.

People help people. Government doesn’t help people.

@@

November 17th, 2010
10:21 am

A bit of advice.

When times are good, make the effort to accumulate three years worth of monthly expenses for when times are bad.

obamas fault

November 17th, 2010
10:21 am

larry, maybe they could just do what Clinton did and borrow against the social security to give the false impression that we were running a budget surplus. And tell the American people waaalaaa…….

Finn McCool

November 17th, 2010
10:22 am

the party that… sells itself as the party of the common man, and accuses its opposition of defending the elites.

Hard to comprehend, like people working hourly wages who vote Republican or people who live in trailer parks who vote Republican.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

November 17th, 2010
10:22 am

Don’t you think the $800 billion would have helped reduce the unemployment numbers? Oh, that’s right, all that money created squat in jobs.

thomas

November 17th, 2010
10:22 am

One Nation Under educated

November 17th, 2010
10:18 am

Is there a point at which a person must become responsible for feeding himself/herself and his/her family?

Or are we all responsible for all? If so could you please send me a check for around $200-$300 this month? I got cable, internet and cell phone bill due or i can go get food. So when can i expect your check?

barking frog

November 17th, 2010
10:22 am

When millionaires complain that people in
poverty pay no taxes and that is unfair, they
need to read the histories of the French and
Russian revolutions. Better a smaller paycheck
than your head in a basket.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

November 17th, 2010
10:23 am

Finn McCool
November 17th, 2010
10:22 am

But it’s easy to understand why the entitlement crowd continues to vote democrat.

Harry Callahan

November 17th, 2010
10:23 am

josef nix

November 17th, 2010
10:19 am

“Harry
Question from last p.m. You apparantly are opposed to inherited wealth. Question, what are you going to do with yours when you’ve joined the bleeding choir in the great beyond?”

I guess your reading comprehension skills need a bit of polish. I never said I wsa opposed to inherited wealth. In fact, I think the inheritance tax is perhaps the most evil form of tax there is. Ifa person learns to live on less than he/she earns, and sets a goal for homself/herself to leave wealth to his/her family, they should absolutely have that right.

thomas

November 17th, 2010
10:24 am

Finn McCool

November 17th, 2010
10:22 am

possibly those people you described do not look for teh government to improve their lot in life and do not feel it is the governments responsibility…

Odd concept that WE are in charge of our own lives. we get the credit for the success and the blame for the failures.

Finn McCool

November 17th, 2010
10:24 am

three month, @@?

Um, I think the average unemployment time right now is well beyond that….perhaps 1 year of financial reserves should be the goal for anyone employed by someone else. It’s difficult and sometimes downright impossible but it’s a goal nonetheless.

jm

November 17th, 2010
10:24 am

My step father is helping his son with housing while he finds a new job. People help people. Not government.

Unemployment benefits are needed. But not for more than 2 frickin years.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

November 17th, 2010
10:25 am

jm
November 17th, 2010
10:21 am

“I’m in the middle of trying to to help a homeless guy get his birth certificate so I can then try to help him get a job.”

But Obama already has a job. :cool:

Matti

November 17th, 2010
10:25 am

My Congressman needs to practice what he preaches and get Lockheed-Martin off the government teat. Don’t get me wrong, my Daddy was a fighter pilot, and nobody gets more turned on than I do when those F-22s rip the sky open over my head. (**shivers of delight**) BUT, it’s corporate welfare we can’t afford. Sure, it would throw many of his constituents into serious financial straights, but if you’re going to preach that the private sector, NOT the government, must create jobs, then make it so. Those skilled workers should come together and think of a new product to make (green energy, anyone?) and market to China and the rest of the world. If you’re going to tell average citizens to suck it up, then tell our biggest welfare recipients, the defense contractors, to do so as well. I’m going to ask him to stand up for his principles for a change. I’ll let y’all know how that goes.

josef nix

November 17th, 2010
10:25 am

barking

Yep. The French Revolution…we’re not there yet, but the signs do read Bastille straight ahead…

@@

November 17th, 2010
10:26 am

Don’t you think the $800 billion would have helped reduce the unemployment numbers? Oh, that’s right, all that money created squat in jobs.

I was gonna say that, but if all they’ve got left is Obama’s HOPES, far be it from me to dash those.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

November 17th, 2010
10:27 am

Finn McCool
November 17th, 2010
10:22 am

Hey, maybe it’s because those people have jobs.

TaxPayer

November 17th, 2010
10:27 am

If the Republicans would hurry up and eliminate all taxation like they are supposed to, then we would not be having these problems. :roll:

jm

November 17th, 2010
10:27 am

My sister got laid off and got a new job with a pay cut. Unemployment benefits: $0.

There’s work out there, more and more everyday. Not a lot, but more.

Guns don’t kill people. Government kills people (or at least their drive, their motivation, their energy).

Nice Guy

November 17th, 2010
10:27 am

Jay –

Why did you fail to mention that the Repubs are not against the extension if the Left-nuts will just make a cut somewhere else to pay for the extention?

Sounds like you’re having a rough morning…

ty webb

November 17th, 2010
10:28 am

Mick,
“I have friends that are in the top 2% and unlike you, they are baffled and are willing to pay their share of two unfunded wars, and a run away deficit.”

Please tell your friends in the top 2%, that they can always pay more than they have to. The IRS will happily take more than what’s owed. me thinks they might already know this, but the selective outrage plays well at parties and coffee houses.

Road Scholar

November 17th, 2010
10:28 am

Peadawg; Is that your response to extending the tax cuts? For the 2% over $250K?

Harry Callahan

November 17th, 2010
10:28 am

Mick @ 10:19, all I can say is, you don’t know me either. In fact, you don’t know much at all about anything. According to a quick google search, the top 1% of income earners pays 38% of federal income taxes, and the top 5% pays 59% of all federal income taxes. The bottom 50% pay zero. What, in your feeble mind, would constitute the top 2% “paying their fair share? Should we just make them pay ALL taxes?

And I don’t worship money, and I don’t believe that “he who dies with the most toys” crap either. I’m just not a socialist wealth-envy crybaby like you.

A private sector employee

November 17th, 2010
10:28 am

Oh, and shall I now proclaim how my need is greater than another’s need, and how my circumstances make me more deserving… irregardless of my personal decisions and work ethic in my life?

Who is John Galt?

jm

November 17th, 2010
10:29 am

My mother got laid off. She’s starting up her own consulting and accounting practice. Unemployment bennies: $0. What are the other people doing still getting unemployment? Sitting on the damn dole.

josef nix

November 17th, 2010
10:29 am

Harry

Perhaps you should read your own posts. You took a number of swipes (one at me) indicating that if you’re liberal and you’re comfortably fixed then it you “would guess” it’s inherited…I assume, then, that only conservatives should be inheriting wealth?

WillieRae

November 17th, 2010
10:29 am

What is my share?
How would you define what “my share” is of the federal budget?
If you and your buddies decide to grow the budget some more with your plan to fund this or that does “my share” just continue to grow? Or do you forsee some limit to what government ought to spend or take?
Obama and the democrats are on a spending spree. Progressives think they have not done nearly enough. How much would be “enough”.
I think the American people have answered that question.

Mr. Snarky

November 17th, 2010
10:30 am

Jay, thanks for the daily dose of outrage. The GOP disgusts me.

Del

November 17th, 2010
10:30 am

Maybe Obama can get the unemployed jobs at GM.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....

November 17th, 2010
10:30 am

Matti
November 17th, 2010
10:25 am

I agree that DOD spending must be cut, but so should the entitlement budgets. Time for tough love. Raise the retirement age, extend the Bush tax cuts to those making less than $250K, privatize social security, overturn Obamacare, cut cost of living raises for those who hold government jobs, cut the pay and benefits of elected officials, etc, etc. The scapel needs to be used everywhere until this mess is fixed.

jm

November 17th, 2010
10:30 am

My wife got laid off. What did she do? Got a part time job doing admin kind of work until she could get a new job. Got a new job 3 months ago.

Meanwhile, there’s several million other Americans collecting checks. People need to turn off the damn TV and find or make work. If that doesn’t happen, go frickin volunteer your time to help others. That’s the least you could if you’re not trying to find work…..

TaxPayer

November 17th, 2010
10:30 am

I see Harry still thinks that 50% of the people pay no taxes.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 17th, 2010
10:31 am

Strange, I don’t read anything in the Constitution that suggests this country was founded as a mutual aid society – that was the purpose of the freer associations, such as churches. Until we get away from this leftist mentality – that the inferior-class is entitled to pick the pockets of those who manage their financial affairs intelligently, using the guns of government as necessary – there is no hope for economic prosperity for any future generation.

@@

November 17th, 2010
10:31 am

Finn:

I said three years worth, not three months.

Ain’t nuthin’ impossible.

Harry Callahan

November 17th, 2010
10:32 am

TaxPayer

November 17th, 2010
10:30 am

“I see Harry still thinks that 50% of the people pay no taxes”

I see that Taxpayer is still feebly refusing to acknowledge the obvious.

White man

November 17th, 2010
10:32 am

Sounds like Obama should start working hard to create some new jobs.

chuck

November 17th, 2010
10:33 am

Jay, meet DEEP END. I think it is important that you 2 get to know each other since you just jumped into it Jay. I honestly think that you have either lost your mind through liberal hysteria, OR you lack intellectual integrity. I thought you were getting better in the election season when you posted a couple of articles that lacked your normal vitriole for all things conservative, but yesterday’s GM farce and especially this tripe, have made me change my mind. If you HONESTLY BELIEVE this garbage, check yourself into a hospital and get some help.

Let’s take your statements one at a time:

“It further instructs us that these fellow Americans are “nonproducers” or “parasites” living large — on a maximum of $330 a week here in Georgia — at the expense of the virtuous “producers.””

This statement has nothing to do with extending benefits. The point is that in most states, the unemployed get checks for at least 59 weeks to right now, a maximum of 79 weeks. Inother words, at least a full year and up to a year and a half. At some point, we have to face facts…they are probably not going to get a job. Unemployment benefits cannot be UNLIMITED, which is what it seems that you want. There are other programs that people should be moved to if they find themselves in this situation, such as welfare and food stamp programs.

Harry Callahan

November 17th, 2010
10:33 am

TP, several people in this blog have already posted links from reputable sources showing that the bottom 50% of wage earners pay zero federal income tax.

Does the term “Brainwashed” mean anything to you?

barking frog

November 17th, 2010
10:33 am

If the country is in a recession or a boom and you
have no income you are in a depression. Where will
the 600 billion go that the Federal Reserve is loaning
the Government by buying treasuries?

Southern Comfort

November 17th, 2010
10:34 am

In this tough economy, it might make sense to extend the tax cuts for the rich temporarily, for another year or two.

Jay

I hate to point this at you, especially since you’re the host, but you probably already know what I’m about to say. That’s pure bullsh*t. If we can’t afford to extend unempolyment benefits for people who are putting that money right back into the economy, we can’t afford tax cuts for anyone. F’em all!!!

jm

Not all unemployed are taking benefits or sitting on the damned dole. If that were the case, we would not still see 400k applying for first time benefits every week. Geez…

stands for decibels

November 17th, 2010
10:34 am

Anyone remember Republicans griping when “only” 40% of Americans didn’t wind up paying Federal income taxes (besides FICA/Med) under Godly Preznit Bush in 2004, as opposed to 47% of them in 2009?

obamas fault

November 17th, 2010
10:35 am

Still NO answer to the question on why the money can come from the $414 Billion in stimulus money that is just sitting out there. Come on….somebody humor me. What is the money doing? Even Obama admits that there isn’t and weren’t any shovel ready jobs so what is it being spent on?

Mick

November 17th, 2010
10:35 am

harry

I hope you join the two percenters and inherit the world cause its obvious you ain’t got no soul.

Ty

There are good people that have wealth and are not consumed by their economic power but you know as well as I do that it is a canard when you say that they can always donate more. They know that paying an extra 3% does not in any significant way hinder their bottom line.

Harry Callahan

November 17th, 2010
10:35 am

Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid

Top 1%
$380,354
38.02%

Top 5%
$159,619
58.72%

Top 10%
$113,799
69.94%

Top 25%
$67,280
86.34%

Top 50%
$33,048
97.30%

Bottom 50%
<$33,048
2.7%

Harry Callahan

November 17th, 2010
10:36 am

Mick

November 17th, 2010
10:35 am

“harry

I hope you join the two percenters and inherit the world cause its obvious you ain’t got no soul.”

LOL…liberal comapassion on display…always willing to help the poor at the expense of OTHERS

White man

November 17th, 2010
10:36 am

Stands for decibels….that is it! Blame Bush. He is reponsible for everything right? Dear old Obama is still your God right?

obamas fault

November 17th, 2010
10:37 am

Jay, you sure ran away quickly on this one. Nice job buddy.

Jay

November 17th, 2010
10:38 am

Obama’s fault, the link you provided does NOT say that about half of Americans pay no income taxes. It doesn’t come close to saying that. Go back and read it yourself.

A couple of other points:

The link you provided DOES tell us the following:

“The average income for a tax return in the top 0.1 percent was $6.0 million in 2008, while the average amount of income tax paid was $1.36 million, indicating an average effective individual income tax rate of 22.7 percent.”

Read that again, so it sinks in. The top 0.1 percent of Americans — with an adjusted gross income averaging $6 million — paid income taxes at a rate of 22.7 percent. That’s lower than many middle-income Americans pay.

Second, let’s think about who these “taxable units” are that are not paying income taxes. They include a lot of old people living off nothing but Social Security — you don’t have to pay income taxes on SSI if you make less than $25,000, or $32,000 filing jointly.

They include millions of teenagers working part-time jobs at McDonalds, and college students working summer jobs. (The Tax Foundation that you cited acknowledges that fact, if only in a footnote that “some dependent returns are included in the figures here.”) They also include divorced and single mothers who work low-paying jobs to support their families, but pay no taxes because of child-care deductions and child exemptions.

And as the Christian Science Monitor noted, in 2007 it included 957 people with incomes of a million dollars or more, and another 1,646 tax filers with incomes between $500,000 and $1 million. http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2010/0415/Tax-Day-101-How-some-millionaires-can-owe-no-taxes

Del

November 17th, 2010
10:38 am

Harry Callahan, “50% of wage earners pay zero federal income tax” Not to mention that the bottom 20% actually get refunds on tax they never paid.

josef nix

November 17th, 2010
10:38 am

I made this point the last go ’round on this topic and Jay posted us some stats…the long term unemployed are more and more drawn from the professional classes. The working classes can “afford” to take those low paid, no benefits service industry jobs. The professional classes have more of a problem. How many fast food places, given the option of hiring someone whose “resume” is Burger King and McDonald’s versus IBM and the like is going to hire the latter?

BlahBlahBlah

November 17th, 2010
10:40 am

How long should we pay unemployment benefits, if 99 weeks isn’t enough? 3 years? 4 years? 5 years? Forever?

Harry Callahan

November 17th, 2010
10:40 am

Question for any of the usual liberal suspects on this blog;

Per my post @ 10:35, the top 5% of wage earners currently pay 59% of all federal income taxes. If that doesn’t constitute “paying their fair share”, what would you like to see them pay…75%? 90%? 100%?

White man

November 17th, 2010
10:40 am

Del…..Good point.

Mick

November 17th, 2010
10:40 am

harry

Excuse me but I pay my taxes and don’t whine and moan about it, it’s a necessary duty for living in any country – why do you hate america?

TaxPayer

November 17th, 2010
10:41 am

I see that Taxpayer is still feebly refusing to acknowledge the obvious.

I obviously acknowledged you prior post, along with its fallacy. However, I see no need to be repetitive.

Jay

November 17th, 2010
10:41 am

Blahblah, one more time:

Nobody is talking about extending it past 99 weeks. This extension renewal is needed to KEEP it at 99 weeks, instead of dropping it back to 46 weeks.

Jefferson

November 17th, 2010
10:41 am

Some think that people at the poverty level, worried about eating should pay income taxes. Those folks don’t have a clue.

Harry Callahan

November 17th, 2010
10:42 am

Jay @ 10:38, I guess everyone’s perspective is different. When I see a guy who paid $1.36 million in income taxes in one year, I don’t say to myself “wow that guy sure is getting over easy.” In fact, I’d say he got reemed.

barking frog

November 17th, 2010
10:42 am

Walmarts last quarter sales were down but their profit
was up. Do you think they may have raised their prices
and the customers had to buy fewer products?

White man

November 17th, 2010
10:42 am

Jefferson….yes they should.