Israeli right, American right link arms across the sea

Last week, after President Obama protested an Israeli decision to build 1,300 new apartments in a disputed section of Jerusalem, the deputy speaker of the Israeli Knesset rebuked the president and reminded him that, well, elections have consequences:

“President Obama has apparently not yet internalized the results of last week’s elections in the United States,” Danny Danon said. “Israel can and should build without any restrictions in our undivided capital of Jerusalem. I commend Prime Minister Netanyahu for ignoring the unreasonable demands of some US administrations officials.”

Clearly, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his colleagues feel emboldened enough by the results of this month’s midterm elections to defy Obama’s efforts. More remarkable still, Republican officials here at home are encouraging Netanyahu to do exactly that.

Last week, U.S. Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, the incoming House majority leader, met privately with Netanyahu for an hour. Afterward, Cantor’s office released a statement describing the discussion:

“Eric stressed that the new Republican majority will serve as a check on the administration and what has been, up until this point, one-party rule in Washington. He made clear that the Republican majority understands the special relationship between Israel and the United States, and that the security of each nation is reliant upon the other.”

In other words, Cantor told Netanyahu, the leader of a foreign country, that he and his fellow Republicans have his back against their mutual opponent, President Obama. It is a message intended to directly undercut the president’s traditional and constitutional authority in the conduct of foreign policy. (Cantor’s office has since disputed that reading of its statement, but I find it hard to interpret any other way.)

As Ron Kampeas of the JTA (Jewish Telegraphic Agency, a global Jewish news agency) describes it:

“I can’t remember an opposition leader telling a foreign leader, in a personal meeting, that he would side, as a policy, with that leader against the president. Certainly, in statements on one specific issue or another — building in Jerusalem, or some such — lawmakers have taken the sides of other nations. But to have-a-face to face and say, in general, we will take your side against the White House — that sounds to me extraordinary.”

It sounds extraordinary to me as well. It’s dangerous, both to the success of U.S. foreign policy and to the long-term relationship between Israel and the United States. If, as Danon suggests, the 2010 American midterms should be read as a referendum on blind U.S. support for Israel, should future Democratic successes then be read as a rejection or weakening of U.S. support for Israel?

That is the dynamic that Danon, Cantor, Netanyahu and others are setting in motion, and it bodes well for nobody involved.

Furthermore, as Adam Serwer points out, Cantor was highly critical of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for merely meeting with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

As Cantor wrote:

“Several leading legal authorities have made the case that her recent diplomatic overtures ran afoul of the Logan Act, which makes it a felony for any American ‘without authority of the United States’ to communicate with a foreign government to influence that government’s behavior on any disputes with the United States.”

That would seem to describe Cantor’s behavior rather precisely.

(This post has been edited and updated.)

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Bosch

November 15th, 2010
8:33 am

“President Obama has apparently not yet internalized the results of last week’s elections in the United States,” Danny Danon, of Netanyahu’s Likud Party, said. “Israel can and should build without any restrictions in our undivided capital of Jerusalem. I commend Prime Minister Netanyahu for ignoring the unreasonable demands of some US administrations officials.”

Well take that! Damn.

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
8:36 am

so much for “politics ends at the water’s edge” … nice one, Canter – what next? collude with OBL? work with the Somali pirates? send technology to Kim Jung Il’s son?

Bosch

November 15th, 2010
8:36 am

Firsties on a rainy Monday. I can’t WAIT for Paul to see and be jealous.

Paul

November 15th, 2010
8:37 am

“I can’t remember an opposition leader telling a foreign leader, in a personal meeting, that he would side, as a policy, with that leader against the president.”

Does it make a difference if the opposition leader does not address a ‘leader’ but makes statements completely in opposition to the President’s agenda? (See Democratic leaders’ statements regarding Iraq/al Qaeda under the current administration).

Call it like it is

November 15th, 2010
8:38 am

Interesting topic Jay. I would have thought you might have more of an opinion on the complete failures of the Obama excursion. No deal with South Korea, No deals with China……..you know the one where Obama is telling another country what to do their money……..Oh wait never mind I now see the spin. Nice.

Paul

November 15th, 2010
8:38 am

Hi Bosch!!

Why the suspense? It’s predictable!!

THBPPTTTTT!!!!

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
8:39 am

call it – and I’m sure you were equally as critical when Paulson was on the losing side of negotiations with China …

Paul

November 15th, 2010
8:42 am

Interesting that this would occur after the described meeting. Wonder what it says about Israel’s real view of the center of foreign policy power in DC?

“Obama calls latest Israeli plan promising”

By BEN FELLER

AP White House Correspondent

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Sunday hailed the prospect of a new settlement freeze in the disputed West Bank as a promising step toward peace, urging Israelis and Palestinians to get back into serious negotiations quickly.”

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/11/14/2630315/obama-calls-latest-israeli-plan.html

Paul

November 15th, 2010
8:43 am

Make the ending of my 8:37

See Democratic leaders’ statements regarding Iraq/al Qaeda under the Bush Administration

Bosch

November 15th, 2010
8:44 am

Paul!

:-)

Actually, on the global scale, I think this meeting with Cantor makes Netanyahu look worse. Obama is very popular around the globe and looking at this from a non-US perspective (which, I know, I can’t, but still) it seems that Netanyahu is too weak to negotiate with the actual leader.

Bosch

November 15th, 2010
8:46 am

USinUK,

Off topic, but — did you happen to catch a mini-series called “Luther” on the BBC?

Jay

November 15th, 2010
8:48 am

“Does it make a difference if the opposition leader does not address a ‘leader’ but makes statements completely in opposition to the President’s agenda?”

Yes, Paul, it does matter.

Statements made in the course of political debate among we Americans about the course of American policy are one thing. Statements made to foreign leaders encouraging them to resist U.S. foreign policy are another entirely.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 15th, 2010
8:50 am

I trust US security more the Israeli rightists than with American leftists. I suspect Israelis trust Israeli security more with American rightists than with American leftists. The American left is the outlier here.

Mary Elizabeth

November 15th, 2010
8:50 am

“. . .the deputy speaker of the Israeli Knesset last week reminded the president (Obama) that, well, elections have consequences:” “More remarkable still Republican officials are encouraging Netanyahu to brush aside Obama.”

The Republican party of “No” in America continues its quest for power through refusal to work in harmony with President Obama; the deputy speaker of the Israeli Knesset evidently has tasted the seduction of power, also. “Power corrupts absolutely.” Wrong approach and direction for lasting world peace.

My trust and faith remains with the evolved mind and spirit of President Obama for lasting peace in this world.

Union

November 15th, 2010
8:51 am

morning all..
i think that after the “apology tour” other world leaders have lost respect for pres obama.. and like the animal kingdom.. they smell fear and weakness and are starting to circle.. unfortunately the “rodney king – cant we all just get along” message will not work on the world table.. it would be nice.. but its not gonna happen.

TaxPayer

November 15th, 2010
8:51 am

I guess Eric thinks himself CIC. Typical GOP. Arrogant ass. Obama had best put little Eric back in his place, at the back of the plane, with John and Mitch.

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
8:52 am

Bosch – I didn’t – it got decent write-ups here, but it was one of those “there are only so many hours in the day” tv shows … why?

I do highly (HIGHLY) recommend Downton Abbey (PBS this January) and I just caught the first episode of the second season of Garrow’s Law (all true cases argued by the Old Bailey’s first defense attorney) – surprisingly good

Paul

November 15th, 2010
8:55 am

Jay

I see that. But I wonder about, as Bosch put it, not looking at issues solely from the American perspective. I’m not sure if those we deal with view it so much as ‘debate’ as they do “is the President weak? If opposition policies go through, it will be to our benefit.”

Then again, if one discounts rhetoric and looks at actions, Democratic opposition to the President’s policies on the war and AQ really amounted to so much rhetoric, with no hard action that would change the President’s policies resulting.

In this case, I’d say the Israelis are much better able to read American politics than are their other middle eastern counterparts.

Bosch

November 15th, 2010
8:56 am

USinUK,

I watched four episodes last night and I really liked it. I’ve gotten addicted to Law and Order UK too. :-)

That show features none other than Jamie Bamber aka. Captain Lee Adama (in case you don’t know that’s Battlestar Galactica talk).

AmVet

November 15th, 2010
8:56 am

Under terms of the Patriot Act, the traitor Cantor should be detained in perpetuity, without charges and without access to counsel.

He should then be waterboarded to reveal what he knows.

As we are in the fight of our lives against Islamic terrorists and the eventual take over of the world by Sharia law, we simply cannot tolerate such treason. And if we have to fight them here, instead of there, we will.

(Did I hit on all of the conservative slogans?)

Normal

November 15th, 2010
8:56 am

One thing I will say about President Obama. While we don’t see eye to eye on the wars especially and some other stuff, for a man who has some many people planning for his failure (even to the detriment of our country) and 1s still trying to get things done for the country, says a lot about his character. There need to be more in political office like him and not less.

Road Scholar

November 15th, 2010
8:58 am

I wonder how Canter would feel if the adjacent states started “building apartments” in Virginia w/o the state’s permission?

AmVet

November 15th, 2010
8:58 am

OH, rats! I did miss one of the “conservative” empty slogans!

Obama’s Worldwide Apology Tour.

Mea culpa…

Haywood Jablome

November 15th, 2010
8:59 am

Israel, the angry anti-American Jews, and the whole middle east…. who needs ‘em?

Let ‘em work out their own issues. We don’t have the time or the money to be their babysitter.

Union

November 15th, 2010
8:59 am

normal.. you mean a man who rejects the will of the people and says your too stupid to understand you need this.. even if you dont want it?

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
9:00 am

Bosch – I LOVE L&O UK – and not only does it have Jamie Bamber in it, it also has Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones in Dr. Who) … you wouldn’t know Bradley Walsh – he used to be on Coronation Street …

have you seen the Whitechapel series?

and the new Sherlock Holmes?

Paul

November 15th, 2010
9:00 am

It should be noted that when Spkr Pelosi took Democrats on a Middle Eastern tour in ‘07, her words and actions were largely congruent with Bush policies in the region. The area of discord – Syria – was more over a view of Syrian possibilities in the peace process.

Bosch

November 15th, 2010
9:02 am

Paul,

“Democratic opposition to the President’s policies on the war and AQ really amounted to so much rhetoric, with no hard action that would change the President’s policies resulting. ”

To be fair, what more could the Dems offer than rhetoric during the majority of the Iraq war? And Obama has done what he said he’d do in Iraq (and Afghanistan) — so not so sure what this has to do with Israel.

And to me, it make Netanyahu look bad circumventing Obama — think how that makes other world leaders wonder — will he do the same to them just to get what he wants when others tell him “no” or don’t agree with what he does in Israel. Negotiations like this only make Netanyahu look bad and gives fuel to the Palestinians.

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
9:03 am

AmVet – I wonder what the GOP would have thought if … say … Nancy Pelosi went over to meet with Netanyahu when Bush was still president and basically negated everything Bush said …

they’d be screaming bloody murder and calling for her head.

Normal

November 15th, 2010
9:04 am

As to Israel, it kind of reminds me of the Old Testiment Book, “Judges”, I think. Israel has become arrogant and full of itself. I’m waiting for another Prophet like Isaiah to show up and call them out. How did that work out before? Israel was enslaved, wasn’t it.

Normal

November 15th, 2010
9:06 am

Union,
Nice try, but I said I had problems with his policies, too. I’m talking the Character of the man, is all.

AmVet

November 15th, 2010
9:06 am

I suspect that somebody suspects that other suspect what they suspect of don’t suspect.

Jeez, speaking of non-circumspect…

For Rags and the Cons, two questions.

First, of all of the American groups outside of Israel, would you agree that American Jews are the most concerned and “who have the most skin in the game” concerning Israel’s sovereignty and safety?

And I know what you are thinking; who are they compared with the Southern Baptists on this matter? LOL!!!

Secondly, given that irrefutable fact, why do American Jews always vote OVERWHELMINGLY against Republicans?

Hint, it has something to do with exceptionally sensitive BS detectors…

Doggone/GA

November 15th, 2010
9:06 am

“when Spkr Pelosi took Democrats on a Middle Eastern tour in ‘07″

Paul – maybe you don’t know that there was also a Republican on that tour:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2995828&page=1

And also, that there was a prior Republican led delegation to Syria:

“Indeed, on April 1, Reps. Frank Wolf (R-VA), Joseph R. Pitts (R-PA) and Robert Aderholt (R-AL) traveled to Damascus and met with Assad, two days before Pelosi’s scheduled trip.”

http://mediamatters.org/research/200704020007

asdf

November 15th, 2010
9:08 am

It is funny how Israel permits construction of new housing on occupied land, and then complains about violence…

Normal

November 15th, 2010
9:08 am

USinUK,
answered your query downstairs. :)

Normal

November 15th, 2010
9:10 am

…and no, I CAN’T look into his eyes and see his soul…

JDW

November 15th, 2010
9:10 am

@Paul

“Does it make a difference if the opposition leader does not address a ‘leader’ but makes statements completely in opposition to the President’s agenda? (See Democratic leaders’ statements regarding Iraq/al Qaeda under the current administration).”

I would posit that it make all the difference. In one case a politician is engaging in a domestic debate on foreign policy. In the other a politician is stepping way outside the bounds of their constitutional authority…in fact there is probably a law against that in the treason family.

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
9:10 am

Normal – sounds like a fantastic way to spend a Sunday!

Doggone/GA

November 15th, 2010
9:11 am

asdf “It is funny how Israel permits construction of new housing on occupied land”

The problem was, is and will be that not all Israelis consider that land to be “occupied” – they consider it to be ISRAEL’s land.

Zafar Khan

November 15th, 2010
9:11 am

Israel needs the 20 F-35 stealth aircraft for it’s defense. The threat from the Palestinian Air force is credible and cannot be taken lightly. The deadly Palestinian Air force’s two advanced tricycles with wings removed to evade Israeli radar and with mismatched wheels to prevent theft can do some serious damage to Israel’s security. Really now. We are sliding uncontrollably towards war…
http://www.silentconscience.org/2010/11/jerusalem-is-now-capital-of-israel.html

Bosch

November 15th, 2010
9:13 am

USinUK,

Haven’t seen any of those, but thanks for the tips — lately, if it doesn’t come On Demand I don’t see it — I haven’t had much time for the TV lately.

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
9:19 am

“The deadly Palestinian Air force’s two advanced tricycles with wings removed ”

:lol:

Paul

November 15th, 2010
9:21 am

Bosch

“what more could the Dems offer than rhetoric during the majority of the Iraq war?”

Vote to cut off funding for the war. It’s the Legislative’s function of the power of the purse. Democrats did do the “get the troops out by this date” bills passed.

“so not so sure what this has to do with Israel. ”

It’s the idea of Congressional Opposition Party taking an activist stand against the President’s foreign policy initiatives. As Jay noted, there’s internal opposition and opposition expressed directly to a foreign leader. I brought up Iraq/AQ as it seems to me those distinctions got blurred.

AmVet

“Hint, it has something to do with exceptionally sensitive BS detectors…”

Just thought you needed the image of Cantor in a gold jumpsuit burned into your mind this morning –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIJkGUBy77U

Doggone/GA

Oh, I knew, but I was addressing the issue of Congressional, as well as partisan, opposition.

carlosgvv

November 15th, 2010
9:21 am

Israel doesn’t seem to realize that grabbing more and more land means having more and more Arabs living as Israeli citizens. Whats going to happen when Israel has more Arab citizens that Jewish? History answers that question and it is not pretty.

Scout

November 15th, 2010
9:26 am

Jay:

“I will bless them that bless you and curse those who curse you.”

Intown

November 15th, 2010
9:26 am

It may be cliche to say this about the Arab-Israeli conflict but, this is scary. For the entirety of its existence, Israel has more or less enjoyed the unflagging support of both Republicans and Democrats no matter whether a right of center or left of center government was in charge in Israel. The main difference between their support in the last decade or so is that Democrats have remained supportive of the two-state solution and nudging Israel in that direction while Republicans have shifted right to supporting Israel’s unilateral action regardless of the facts or circumstances.

Israel’s best friend in the world in is the United States. It cannot risk it all by putting all its chips with one party.

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2010
9:28 am

nice one, Canter – what next?

Whatever the strategery, one assumes that if lying is required, Cantor will be A-ok with that.

(And I will ask again–why is it ok for a guy of Eric Cantor’s stature to tell flat-out whoppers like that? Why does he suffer absolutely no ill consequences for it? A person like Michelle Bachmann, you expect her to lie. But Cantor’s supposed to be one of the respectable, presentable ones. Can anyone tell the diff between the wingers and the mainstream pubbies any more?)

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
9:28 am

so, now asking a country to keep it’s promises is “cursing” it …

got it.

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
9:29 am

“A person like Michelle Bachmann, you expect her to lie.”

no, but I do expect her to receive coded messages from the squirrels in her back yard …

Bosch

November 15th, 2010
9:30 am

“Vote to cut off funding for the war.”

Paul, seriously, dude. When the Dems took over in 2007 – we were really not in a position to just say “OK! We’re done here….good luck!”

“I brought up Iraq/AQ as it seems to me those distinctions got blurred.”

No, it’s more me not having my caffeine quota this morning. :-)

“It’s the idea of Congressional Opposition Party taking an activist stand against the President’s foreign policy initiatives.”

And I’m not much for what ifs, but as USinUK mentioned — just close your eyes and imagine Pelosi doing something like this.

Paul

November 15th, 2010
9:31 am

After thinking about it a bit, yeah, there is a difference between Congressional debate, passing bills, appeasing one’s base, paying back for political support…. and conducting face-to-face talks with the leader of a foreign power.

TH

November 15th, 2010
9:31 am

Today is November 15.

BONER, WHERE ARE THE JOBS CREATED FROM THE TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY?

@@

November 15th, 2010
9:32 am

I don’t know why the left puts so much emphasis on the Middle East peace process. It’ll never come to pass. The Palestinian/Israeli issue is nothing more than a tool to be used as leverage. The Arab countries don’t care about Palestine. Hamas doesn’t care about Palestine. Hezbollah doesn’t care about Palestine. Iran doesn’t care about Palestine.

Palestine’s fate will forever remain in flux as long as it serves their purpose.

I dare say that President Bush would agree with you on the undermining part. It’s not like Democrats didn’t set out to undermine his foreign policy in every way imaginable.

Pelosi, on the house floor, called Bush incompetent in his foreign policy. Ted Kennedy went so far as to accuse Bush of being the new Saddam Hussein when it came to torture. There are probably other examples, but I don’t have time to expose all.

jay, have you prepared your left-wingers for the reality in Afghanistan?

But after nine years, fatigue and impatience run high. Stories of Karzai’s inconstancy and Afghan corruption dominate the media. People wonder why stabilizing Afghanistan is essential if terrorists can shelter as easily in Yemen or Somalia. Obama has made clear that he shares the impatience – that he resents how Afghanistan drains resources and attention from other foreign and domestic priorities.

And yet?

When it comes to Afghanistan policy, December 2014 is the new July 2011.

When Obama flew to West Point last December to reveal, after months of well-publicized review and reflection, his Afghan strategy, 2014 was not a part of the speech. Obama announced he would send more troops, but he also said, “After 18 months, our troops will begin to come home.”

Privately, administration officials acknowledge that U.S. involvement won’t end even after 2014. The Afghan forces that will, ideally, take command then will cost far more than Afghanistan can afford, and they will continue to need military, as well as financial, help.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/14/AR2010111403889.html

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
9:32 am

jconservative

November 15th, 2010
9:33 am

Like most American Jews Cantor is a big supporter of the Israeli government, be it a conservative or liberal government.

US governments have since 1948 commented on, and interfered in, the internal politics of Israel. And Israeli governments have for decades
commented on, and interfered in, the internal politics of the US.

Paul

November 15th, 2010
9:33 am

Bosch!

You got a two-fer! Almost match my record of three….

“not in a position to say ‘done here’”

But that’s what the bills they passed said -

Re: Pelosi: that’s why I mentioned here ‘07 tour – even though her remarks were largely congruent with Bush Administration policies in the region (exception: Syria) Republicans howled and protested.

@@

November 15th, 2010
9:35 am

Oh, and jay?

In case you haven’t noticed, nobody is lending much credence to what Obama says or does these days.

Sad but true.

Paul

November 15th, 2010
9:35 am

@@

“The Arab countries don’t care about Palestine.”

and that’s the dirty little secret -

Deep Throat

November 15th, 2010
9:36 am

Oh you liberals with selective thinking and memory, shall I call out one person Jimmy Carter or would you like me to enlighten your pea brains with more, say Jesse Jackson, Jane Fonda, but oh I see ! It’s OK because their first name starts with J.
And by the way the majority of the voters apparently disapprove of Obama’s policies.

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
9:37 am

dude. Jane Fonda?

really?

Doggone/GA

November 15th, 2010
9:37 am

Paul – I think President Lincoln would have understood the issue of funding the Iraq war:
“In his only term in Congress, Abraham Lincoln was an ardent opponent of the Mexican War. He introduced a series of resolutions that challenged President James Polk to show the “spot” of American soil on which Mexicans had spilled American blood, and he voted for an amendment stating that the war was “unnecessarily and unconstitutionally begun by the President.”

But when the question of funding for the troops fighting that war came, Lincoln voted their supplies without hesitation”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/20/AR2007062001870.html

Bosch

November 15th, 2010
9:37 am

USinUK,

EWwww.

Left wing management

November 15th, 2010
9:37 am

Ragnar Danneskjöld 8:50: “I trust US security more the Israeli rightists than with American leftists. I suspect Israelis trust Israeli security more with American rightists than with American leftists. The American left is the outlier here.”

What does that mean exactly? Are you endorsing a world-wide ideological alliance?

Normally doesn’t the Right wing cry foul at the betrayal of the nation by left-wing interests acting on behalf of the Internationale?

So does the Right actually have its own Internationale?

Bosch

November 15th, 2010
9:38 am

Jesse Jackson? Jane Fonda? Really? :roll:

Paul

November 15th, 2010
9:39 am

Deep Throat

“Jesse Jackson, Jane Fonda” are hardly in the same league as the upcoming House leadership.

What’s the Carter reference?

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
9:39 am

Bosch – you owe me a coke

Paul

November 15th, 2010
9:40 am

Doggone/GA

I’ve a feeling that post of yours is going to get cited quite a bit -

@@

November 15th, 2010
9:40 am

Paul:

I’ve always thought that Palestinians would fare better without their neighbor’s “support”.

I’m off to reupholster my new/used dining chairs. After stripping them of their current dressing, I’ve discovered that they were made in Denmark.

I’m a happy girl….I’m a happy girl…..

Bosch

November 15th, 2010
9:42 am

“Bosch – you owe me a coke”

USinUK,

Okay, so do you want Diet? Zero? Sprite? Dr. Pepper? Fanta Grape?

Doggone/GA

November 15th, 2010
9:43 am

“I’ve a feeling that post of yours is going to get cited quite a bit”

Well, this seems to fit too: “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme.” Mark Twain

Homily Grates.

November 15th, 2010
9:44 am

When the Jews were led out of Israel by Moses, they came upon the promised land, which just happened to be populated by Arabs. The Chosen People just took that land with the help of the Almighty. Of course Moses wasn’t there, he was exiled by the Almighty for striking a rock three times instead of one. The bible’s text is quite clear:

“Moses struck the rock, but nothing happened. He waited. He heard the grumblings of doubt coming from the Right side of the thirsty crowd. He felt the pressure to his authority as leader so much that he struck the rock again. Again nothing happened. Now the Center of the crowd joined in the heckling until an insurrection seemed inevitable, so he struck the rock again.

Then the water sprang forth from the rock and all the people said, “Nevermind”. ”

For this display of doubt, Moses paid the supreme price exacted by the Supreme Being.

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
9:44 am

Bosch – a san pelligrino would be fine, thanks :-)

(Jane Fonda … crack me UP)

Paulo977

November 15th, 2010
9:45 am

On this misty Monday fall morning , for you Bosch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK25hqdUCOU

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2010
9:45 am

after the “apology tour”

If anyone’s bored, has a bit of time, and ya want to have some fun (I’m not there this morning, alas), just ask one of our trollettes when, where, and how the President actually apologized.

You’ll get more twists and turns than one might expect of a Lotus Esprit test driver before it’s over.

Call it like it is

November 15th, 2010
9:46 am

Okay, Jay I will meet you 1/2 way, even though I feel like your pumping this up to be more then it is. But please don’t act like this is some kind of new thing that just the right has done.

What about Pelosi going to Syria, despite what the White House wanted back in 2007?

Paul

November 15th, 2010
9:47 am

@@

You should be. My wife paid a couple hundred for a set of dining room chairs. Later found out they were made in Italy, handcarved, still can get’em new for $800. Each.

Course, I probably spoiled the moment (I know how women love to shop for ‘bargains’) when I said “you mean that lady paid $800 for one of those?!!?

Doggone/GA

November 15th, 2010
9:47 am

“What about Pelosi going to Syria, despite what the White House wanted back in 2007?”

Try to keep up…Paul already dredged that one up.

Paulo977

November 15th, 2010
9:48 am

@@
9:35
Really ? Maybe in your neck of the woods …!!!!

Deep Throat

November 15th, 2010
9:48 am

Paul do your own leg work or let your selective memory expand, maybe you can educate Borsh and Usuk, they sure would be enlightened.
Perhaps we could go down the alphabet and play a Kindergarten learning game for you liberals, I bet you would be smarter from it.

Bosch

November 15th, 2010
9:48 am

Thanks Paulo! That’ll be good presentation material on my quest to convert Christians back to Pagan.

TaxPayer

November 15th, 2010
9:48 am

What does Jane Fonda have to do with this? Is Eric planning on doing a remake of Barbarella and taking on the star role.

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
9:49 am

dB – I used to do that … watching them twist and turn used to be fun, now it’s just tiresome

Jay

November 15th, 2010
9:50 am

Call it, did Pelosi suggest in any way whatsoever that she and the Democrats would side with Assad against Bush?

If so, the comparison is valid.

If not, it isn’t.

AmVet

November 15th, 2010
9:50 am

Am I reading that Deep Throater is actually giving credit to President Carter for brokering a still lasting peace treaty between Israel and her most dangerous foe at the time – Egypt?

Good job on recognizing that it took a Democrat to get results and to act as effective American statesman…

AmVet

November 15th, 2010
9:52 am

Oh and Paul, LOL at that Bye Bye Birdie clip.

And notice the deafening silence in regards to my question about MOTs, Israel and the GOP…

RW-(the original)

November 15th, 2010
9:52 am

Enforce the Logan Act or Repeal It

This doesn’t appear to be new or unique.

/This comment is being made as I walk out the door. I’ve noticed that a couple of individuals get their knickers in a twist over the note “drive by” for some insane reason even though it is only meant to convey that I’ll not be around to read or respond to any comment that my comment might inspire. Therefore please accept this rather more lengthy and unnecessary disclaimer that by the time anyone reads this Elvis (or at least RW) will have left the building.

jm

November 15th, 2010
9:57 am

Sidebar – I’m here to report the NY economy is doing SWIMMINGLY WELL. Restaurants – packed. Jobs – plentiful. Pay – fantastic. Housing – beyond just recovering.

What with the banking bailouts and all, what would one expect?

Your tax dollars. Hard at work in New York. Everywhere else? Well, you’re on your own.

Del

November 15th, 2010
10:03 am

Radical Islam that controls Hamas and the Palestinians will not allow a peace agreement with Israel under any circumstance, so attempting to affix blame on Eric Cantor, Israeli leaders and conservative Republicans for blocking Obama is disingenuous. Israel has made clear that dividing Jerusalem is off the table anyway, so the settlement argument is moot.

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
10:08 am

Del – we’re not blaming Eric Cantor for problems in the middle east – we’re blaming him for double-dealing.

as mentioned before, if Pelosi did something like this when Bush was in office, the sound of GOP talking heads calling her a traitor / anti-American / or other epithets would be deafening … one of your own does it and he gets a great big OLE …

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2010
10:12 am

why do American Jews always vote OVERWHELMINGLY against Republicans?

given my anecdotal/life experiences, I’d say it’s something to do with a cultural commitment to education.

Paul

November 15th, 2010
10:12 am

Deep Throat

“Paul do your own leg work”

The response of someone who posted something that means “I don’t know if this is accurate or not, I think I heard is somewhere, once, but it sounds good to me….”

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2010
10:12 am

jm @ 9.57, your post reads a lot better in the original German.

Paul

November 15th, 2010
10:14 am

AmVet

“And notice the deafening silence in regards to my question about MOTs, Israel and the GOP…”

Generally seems to follow as surely as night follows day…

(nice symbolism, eh?)

stands for decibels

November 15th, 2010
10:14 am

The response of someone who posted something that means “I don’t know if this is accurate or not, I think I heard is somewhere, once, but it sounds good to me….”

more like “I’m pretty sure this is a lie, but didn’t figure on being called out on it.”

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
10:17 am

Paul – Deep Throat is really Jonah Goldberg?

Bosch

November 15th, 2010
10:18 am

“Perhaps we could go down the alphabet and play a Kindergarten learning game for you liberals, I bet you would be smarter from it.”

Paul,

You could have told us.

USinUK

November 15th, 2010
10:19 am

Call it like it is

November 15th, 2010
10:22 am

Jay

November 15th, 2010
9:50 am
Call it, did Pelosi suggest in any way whatsoever that she and the Democrats would side with Assad against Bush?

If so, the comparison is valid.

If not, it isn’t.

*Okay so we have one man who is the highest “jewish” elected official in America meeting with Netanyahu, and telling him they will keep tabs on the President, versus Pelosi going to a known terrorist haven meeting with Assad to whom is a major sponsor of terrorism and openly supports Hezbollah and Hamas. Your right Jay this is no comparsion, none at all.

Del

November 15th, 2010
10:23 am

USinUK, Didn’t Pelosi, Lantos, Waxman and a few others take a little trip to Syria once upon a time? and didn’t the always bitter Carter rebuke the Bush administration for isolating Assad? Attempting to negotiate one on one with a head of state in conflict with the administrations policy seems a little out of line for a congress woman.

jm

November 15th, 2010
10:23 am