In Georgia, a politically freighted pledge of allegiance

From my colleague Jim Galloway at Political Insider:

“In an apparent nod to state sovereignty, Senate Republicans will require members of their chamber to recite the pledge of allegiance to the state flag of Georgia every morning they gather – after a daily devotional and a pledge to the U.S. flag.”

A pledge to the state flag?

The requirement was adopted last week in Macon at a meeting of the GOP Senate Caucus, the same meeting in which Republican state senators Tommie Williams and Chip Rogers led a successful coup against Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle, stripping him of many of his powers.

Williams, as Senate president pro tem, and Rogers, as majority leader, now have a lot more authority over Senate operations. It surely isn’t coincidental that Williams and Rogers were also co-sponsors of a radical states’ right resolution I wrote about last year:

“The resolution goes on to endorse the theory that states have the right to abridge constitutional freedoms of religion, press and speech. According to the resolution, it is up to the states to decide “how far the licentiousness of speech and of the press may be abridged.”

The resolution even endorses “nullification,” the legal concept that states have the power to “nullify” or ignore federal laws that they believe exceed the powers granted under the Constitution….

Finally, the resolution states that if Congress, the president or federal courts take any action that exceeds their constitutional powers, the Constitution is rendered null and void and the United States of America is officially disbanded. As an example, the resolution specifically states that if the federal government enacts “prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition,” the country is disbanded.”

The timing of the state allegiance requirement and the circumstances under which it was adopted make it pretty clear that it’s more than just a feel-good gesture. It is intended to be an act of protest, a politically freighted pledge to a radical and aggressive notion of states’ rights that at least some in the Senate, and many in the state, may not share.

But it will be required nonetheless.

416 comments Add your comment

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
4:05 pm

And the tent gets smaller and smaller….

GaBlue

November 9th, 2010
4:07 pm

They’ll pledge allegiance, to the Plutocracy, of the Corporate States of America. And to the megaconglomerates, to which it was sold, one party, in charge of the state, with prisons, and Talibaptist rules for all. Amen.

BADA BING

November 9th, 2010
4:07 pm

I am 50-50 on this one. So they are a bit loony on some issues. But saying the pledge every morning doesn’t hurt anyone or cost anything. If you don’t respect the country you live in that gives you your freedom, you are a sad and sorry lot.

BADA BING

November 9th, 2010
4:09 pm

If you are an atheist, leave out the ‘Under God’ part. You can still respect your country.

Allan

November 9th, 2010
4:12 pm

The inmates have taken over the asylum.

StJ

November 9th, 2010
4:12 pm

Let’s recycle!

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
4:13 pm

BADA BING,

“If you are an atheist, leave out the ‘Under God’ part. You can still respect your country.”

How do you deal with the devotional?

Jay

November 9th, 2010
4:15 pm

Just to be clear, this is a new pledge to the STATE flag.

The devotional and pledge to the U.S. flag were already required.

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
4:19 pm

“The devotional and pledge the U.S. flag were already required.”

The devotional is required…so you are required to be a christian to be a Republican in GA?

josef nix

November 9th, 2010
4:21 pm

Aw. why not pledge allegiance to the state flag. It is, after all, the flag of the Confederate flag, you know! :-)

TaxPayer

November 9th, 2010
4:22 pm

There’s a state pledge of allegience. I didn’t know that. Does it go something like, “I pledge a grievance unto this flag for the pain and suffering wrought upon us by the unconstitutional power that the uppity Obama thinks have been vested with him. Amen.”

josef nix

November 9th, 2010
4:23 pm

jewcowboy

It isn’t a devotional, but a moment of silence.

And as for the pledge, I have problems with much more in it than just the “under G-d” part. But when I am in the presence of our children in the morning when it is being recited, I stand in respect but do not recite the pledge itself.

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
4:24 pm

TaxPayer @ 4.22,

;)

JDW

November 9th, 2010
4:24 pm

Forgive them Lord they know not what they do…I mean the voters the wingnut politicos are all over it.

@@

November 9th, 2010
4:25 pm

From my colleague Jim Galloway at Political Insider

Riding piggyback, jay?

I’ll check out your thoughts at Galloway’s. Cynthia Tucker shared your thoughts just the other day. And you’ve shared Cynthia’s on occasion.

Are the AJC’s left-wing columnists just lazy or lacking in news?

Bloggers get to circle around one chair until the music stops?

Whoopee!

Jay

November 9th, 2010
4:26 pm

No, Josef, it is a spoken prayer by invited “clergy of the day,” and often includes direct Christian references.

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
4:27 pm

josef nix,

“It isn’t a devotional, but a moment of silence.”

Just curious as to why Jay called it a devotional then.

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
4:29 pm

“No, Josef, it is a spoken prayer by invited “clergy of the day,” and often includes direct Christian references.”

So it would appear you have to be a christian to be a republican in the state of GA.

Hillbilly Deluxe

November 9th, 2010
4:29 pm

I’ve never been big on pledging allegience to flags. It falls into the “graven image” category, in my view. Had to do it in school, though.

Jay

November 9th, 2010
4:30 pm

I’ve told this story before, but on the House side the press gallery is a separate section glassed off from the House floor. One morning, I was in there alone going through papers when the devotional began. Out of respect, I bowed my head until the prayer finished, then resumed work.

A little while later I got bawled out by a sergeant at arms, who informed me that if I did not STAND for the devotional — even though the press is essentially in a separate room — I would not be allowed to return to the press gallery. I bawled him out in return, demanding to know who had sent him with that message. He refused to say, and I told I’d do what I damn well pleased and that trying to bar a member of the press from the press gallery was a very bad idea.

The ACLU somehow heard about it and offered to represent me, but I declined.

That’s how “voluntary” it is.

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
4:31 pm

“So it would appear you have to be a christian to be a republican in the state of GA.”

Or at least go through the motions…which seems more likely.

josef nix

November 9th, 2010
4:32 pm

Jay
This is NOT a requirement in our school as it stands now…my error if it is a part of the projected regulation. It is not a part of our standard a.m. routine at present….

jm

November 9th, 2010
4:33 pm

Well this is just one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard. Are the boys in Macon getting ready for a new civil war? Putin thinks so….

Jay

November 9th, 2010
4:33 pm

This all applies to the Legislature only, Josef. Not to schools.

Although give them time….

JDW

November 9th, 2010
4:34 pm

So the pledge is:

“I pledge allegiance to the Georgia flag and to the principles for which it stands; Wisdom, Justice, and Moderation.”

Principles sorely lacking in our current legislature.

I wonder if that includes the wisdom not to waste state money tilting at windmills such as legal challenges to perfectly good laws or the moderation required to know tooting the horn of “officially disbanding United States of America” could get one charged with treason or maybe the sense of justice to know the difference between right and selfish?

jm

November 9th, 2010
4:35 pm

(R)etards…. when will these morons start acting like responsible Republicans. Heaven send us a Mitch Daniels…. (that’s one prayer I’d sign on for)

josef nix

November 9th, 2010
4:35 pm

JAY
If you have a reference to a religious oriented devotional being required, please let me know where I can find it. Our guidelines specifically prohibit any sectarian references during the morning moment of silence…

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
4:35 pm

Jay,

“That’s how “voluntary” it is.”

I had a similar experience with the invocation at a recent city-sponsored event. I walked out of the room when it began, and returned after it was done. After the event was over, the organizer pulled me aside and said I was rude for doing so. I responded that it was rude to assume everyone in the room wanted to pray.

What place an invocation has in a secular civic event I’ve no idea.

josef nix

November 9th, 2010
4:36 pm

JAY
Thanks…you answered my question…a prayer in a wh*rehouse sounds about right…

Union

November 9th, 2010
4:39 pm

meanwhile… we have kids stomping kids to death for the fun of it.. we have a unwed birthrate of over 70% in some cases.. but.. let skim past that shall we.. (end vent)

i didnt know there was a pledge to the state flag.. my question is.. is it better than the atl song we paid for?

josef nix

November 9th, 2010
4:40 pm

hillbilly

I tend to agree with you on the graven image thing. I have no real problem with pledging allegiance to my country of citizenship or the Constitution on which it is predicated, but not to a symbol..,

Doggone/GA

November 9th, 2010
4:40 pm

“I stand in respect but do not recite the pledge itself.”

I stopped reciting the pledge the day I was taught that under-age children cannot be held legally responsible for a contract. Since I became of legal age I have not recited it because of the “under God” provision.

Matti

November 9th, 2010
4:41 pm

Swear allegiance to the flag
Whatever flag they offer
Never hint at what you really feel
Teach the children quietly
For some day sons and daughters
Will rise up and fight while we stood still

Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
4:42 pm

josef nix,

“Thanks…you answered my question…a prayer in a wh*rehouse sounds about right”

hehe

josef nix

November 9th, 2010
4:42 pm

Well, as for the invocation, they could always invite in Obama’s hate monger preacher Warren to give his blessing…call it reaching across the aisle, and remember, Jay, you did tell me that you had “no problem” with him doing that….

@@

November 9th, 2010
4:43 pm

A little while later I got bawled out by a sergeant at arms, who informed me that if I did not STAND for the devotional I would not be allowed to return to the press gallery. I bawled him out in return, demanding to know who had sent him with that message. He refused to say, and I told I’d do what I damn well pleased.

Geez, jay! Standing is such a small sacrifice. Left-wingers, being of generous nature, should be more than happy to make such a small contribution. It costs them nothing to stand.

Schnirt

md

November 9th, 2010
4:44 pm

Maybe a daily pledge to us citizens would be in order – forget the flag, pledge to represent those that sent you there…………………every hour on the hour…………..

patriot

November 9th, 2010
4:45 pm

I make no pledge of allegiance to any piece of fabric except maybe the black flag of anarchy. I pledge allegiance to principles (something the GOP of GA could really stand to do).

Now on the subject of nullification, it is constitutional and embedded in the text of the 10 amendment and everyone should fully support it. If this gets the members of the GA house finally standing up and protecting us from the unconstitutional criminals that infest DC then more power to them. If nullification doesn’t stop them, the alternatives are far worse but will have to be taken at some point as they seem hell bent on destroying this country, its economy, and our freedoms.

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
4:46 pm

@@,

“It costs them nothing to stand.”

Other than to give tacit support to something you oppose. Would you stand for a speech in support of abortion?

AmVet

November 9th, 2010
4:47 pm

I have no issues with the state pledge. Short and sweet.

Of course the US Pledge is great. And twas even better before they altered it in 1954. (And trust me, my right to dissent is not abridged by reciting it.)

We have come a VERY long forward in this nation, since I was a boy.

Children today would find it unimaginable that we had those Christian prayers forced on us every day in public schools…

Matti

November 9th, 2010
4:47 pm

I hesitate on the pledge because of its ambiguity. Are we supposed to swear allegiance to the alleged “republic” for which it currently stands? Or are we swearing allegiance to what it once meant — what we were lead to believe it stood for when we were growing up, but which we now know is a total crock of horse hooey? I’m not swearing allegiance to plutocrats, and if I swear allegiance to what the flag allegedly stood for as I understood it growing up looking at my Daddy in his uniform, then I am legally and morally bound to start taking prisoners.

Doggone/GA

November 9th, 2010
4:49 pm

“they could always invite”

Almost makes me wish I was a Satanist, so I could apply to give the devotional…just to see what excuse they would give fore rejecting my request.

JDW

November 9th, 2010
4:49 pm

@”patriot” “Now on the subject of nullification”

Well first off that has been tried once and it didn’t work out so good. Second anyone that thinks this is a realistic option is a fruitcake. Third spending time posturing, ie the Georgis Republicans, takes time away from solving real problems.

RW-(the original)

November 9th, 2010
4:49 pm

Maybe that sergeant at arms distinguished between the press and an opinion writer. It always amuses me when someone hides behind the latter and tries to throw their weight around with the former.

Union

November 9th, 2010
4:51 pm

jc.. you oppose being respectful?

@@

November 9th, 2010
4:51 pm

cowboy:

Would you stand for a speech in support of abortion?

Certainly! I would take the opportunity to offer alternatives.

AmVet

November 9th, 2010
4:52 pm

jcb, it’s called sitting for your principles!

“Well first off that has been tried once and it didn’t work out so good.”

It depends on who you ask!

The vanquished secessionists or the carpetbaggers!

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
4:53 pm

Union,

“you oppose being respectful?”

Inserting your religion into secular matters of government is not being respectful to everyone in the first place.

Union

November 9th, 2010
4:54 pm

matti.. thank you.. now i understand what obama, kerry and biden mean when they say their base is “uninformed”

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
4:54 pm

@@,

“Certainly! I would take the opportunity to offer alternatives.”

Not unless you were the chosen speaker…

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
4:55 pm

AmVet,

“jcb, it’s called sitting for your principles!”

Or using your feet to vote ;)

@@

November 9th, 2010
4:56 pm

Children today would find it unimaginable that we had those Christian prayers forced on us every day in public schools.

When I first moved to Georgia, prayer in school was foreign to me. The teacher (a little old lady in her 60s) seemed sincere in her offerings so who was I to complain. Did me no harm.

Union

November 9th, 2010
4:56 pm

jc.. dont speak out of place.. if you paid attention.. you would know what my religious beliefs are.. and what they are not..

no.. i meant the simple act of respecting a custom or tradition in a place you are visiting..

josef nix

November 9th, 2010
4:56 pm

AmVet

The Carpetbaggers and Scalawags get opinion columns, the secessionists get control of the legislature! :-)

JohnnyReb

November 9th, 2010
4:56 pm

The Legislature mirrors the wishes of the majority electorate. Of course Progressives don’t agree. However, you are in the minority – every statewide elected official is now Republican. The Feds must receive a message and Georgia has to be a part of that message. The Nation wants less Federal Government.

As to the pledge and prayer, I continue to be completely amazed that a nation built on Christian beliefs and values so prominately displayed throughout our history, with continuous Patriotic acts and symbols such as the flag and pledge, is expected to change because others find it offensive. We won’t tar and feather you for not participating, but quit the gripping. Show up at the legislature after the pledge and prayer if you don’t want to participate. I am sure there is a coffee machine close enough to keep you occupied until what you find so offensive has completed. I hope somewhere during the undoing of Progressive damage, Political Correctness gets thrown out the door also. Besides, I miss the Polack jokes.

Doggone/GA

November 9th, 2010
4:57 pm

“takes time away from solving real problems.”

Sure, but to be fair…it also takes time away from screwing things up worse than they already are

Southern Comfort

November 9th, 2010
4:58 pm

Isn’t a flag only a representation of something? If it makes them feel more patriotic, let’em say their pledges until they are purple in the face. I’m respectful of those who recite the pledge. I’m in debted to those who have shed blood to protect the nation/state that those flags represent.

Pogo

November 9th, 2010
4:58 pm

Jay, at this point, I think we should all be looking to someone else other than Washington to make the decisions that are most important in our day to day lives. At least the state governments know more intimately, on the local level, the needs and wishes of the majority of their constituents by their voting preference. The same can no longer be said for the Federal Government. Washington corrupts good people with its money and its power. Americans must have the Federal Government to protect them from outside interests whom would do us harm but for issues that are “local” and internal, which constitute the greatest number of our social needs, the state governments should hold sway. So, we should all be pledging allegiance to whomever best represents our interests. And less and less, that isn’t the Federal Government.

On another note, the person calling themselves “USinUK” who insists upon using terms like “Oy” and “Umpty” and whom makes sure we all know they are “Catching the Train” in their “LOOK AT ME, I LIVE IN ENGLAND AND I AM WORLDLY” routine should make up their mind as to their allegiance. Do they want to be British or do they want to be American? No-one wants to hear that they are having their “Morning Tea”. I mean, if you were in London would you be spending 4-6 hours a day on a highly local/highly opinionated liberal blog coming from Atlanta? No, I think that in reality this person lives somewhere South of Atlanta (or maybe West of Atlanta)and is to be pitied. This all screams of “Please look at me, I matter too!” syndrome that self-delusional people contrive to make themselves seem relevant.

@@

November 9th, 2010
4:59 pm

cowboy:

Many of the left-wing protesters, of which you are so fond, aren’t chosen speakers. They seize the opportunity, as would I.

josef nix

November 9th, 2010
4:59 pm

JohnnyReb

Yeah, but don’t forget it was that clique that gave Georgia the flag of the Richmond slavocracy! I just love that one!

Dusty

November 9th, 2010
5:00 pm

Aww, com on , folks,.. This is Bookman’s blastoff for the afternoon. Things will settle down. I don’t mind the elected ones pledging wisdom, justice and moderation. For goodness sakes, they need all they can get.. That state flag is OUR state flag whether you like it or not. What’s the fuss over a loyalty pledge? You plan to be disloyal? Why? You don’t have to stay.

As to INVITED CLERGY, nobody said it had to be a Christian one although they are a majority in Georgia. But also invited may be rabbis and leaders from the mosque if the “wisdom” pledge takes effect down in OUR capitol.

Nothing like getting your blood pressure up over nothing. If you want a fight, go join the military. They will train you in the right ways to get all hot and bothered.. .

Union

November 9th, 2010
5:01 pm

@ pogo.. snicker.. tell us how you really feel?

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
5:02 pm

Union,

“no.. i meant the simple act of respecting a custom or tradition in a place you are visiting..”

We are not talking about visiting the wailing wall or the Vatican…we are talking about visiting the GA State Capitol Bldg and the Atlanta City Hall…a secular gov’t building.

AmVet

November 9th, 2010
5:03 pm

josef, I knew there was a pejorative I was forgetting. Scalawags! Thank you!

jcb, I never understood that faux respect thing. I can respect one’s beliefs without giving tacit approval to it by standing or singing or whatever.

And I honestly think, that for most religionists, it is a completely one way street anyway.

Union at 4:54, stay classy, man. It suits ya…

JDW

November 9th, 2010
5:04 pm

Doggone/GA

November 9th, 2010
4:57 pm
“Sure, but to be fair…it also takes time away from screwing things up worse than they already are”

True enough…but don’t you want to know what the encore to the Electronic Chip Implantation law is…I mean what other serious threats to our survival have we missed this year?

josef nix

November 9th, 2010
5:05 pm

DUSTY

Oh, good, you’re here…left you a message early a.m. on last night’s thread…

Jay

November 9th, 2010
5:05 pm

The problem with the state pledge is that it’s not a state pledge.

The problem is that it is intended as a pledge to a particular partisan political position.

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
5:05 pm

@@,

“They seize the opportunity, as would I.”

So…you would not be respectful. Got it.

AmVet

November 9th, 2010
5:05 pm

Reb, I have a friend who is half Polish and half Irish.

He refers to himself as a dumb drunk…

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
5:07 pm

AmVet,

“I can respect one’s beliefs without giving tacit approval to it by standing or singing or whatever.”

Bingo!

jm

November 9th, 2010
5:07 pm

Jay 5:05 – or its just stupid. Why don’t they practice what they preach, first…

josef nix

November 9th, 2010
5:07 pm

AmVet
Pejorative? Well, that’s in the eye of the beholder… :-)

Union

November 9th, 2010
5:07 pm

matti.. my apologies for being an ass.. @ 454

amvet.. thank you for pointing that out to me..

Matti

November 9th, 2010
5:08 pm

AtAt,

When I was in the third grade (public school) here in Georgia, we were forced to do prayer, bible reading, AND sing hymns in my class. We did not dare question the large scary woman who demanded it daily. But she did make concession for the one little Jewish boy in the class. How? She made him take a chair and sit by himself in the hall! CHRIST! Can you imagine how that little boy felt? What a B!tch that woman was, not just for the way she treated little Marty, but for the way she treated all of us! I’m glad (I hope) freaks like her can’t get away with that stuff now!

@@

November 9th, 2010
5:08 pm

This could get interesting considering all the ethics investigations against CBC members. Then there were the attempts to get black candidates to step aside so the WH’s preferred candidates could take the lead.

Rep. James Clyburn, battling with Rep. Steny Hoyer for the minority whip position in the next Congress, has “no interest” in “stepping down” to a lower leadership post.

Sources close to Hoyer have said the Maryland lawmaker already has the votes to win, despite formally announcing his candidacy for the post only on Monday.

Clyburn, the top-ranking African-American leader in Congress, also said his race has “become a mission” for the Congressional Black Caucus. The South Carolina Democrat said CBC members are telling him “that your race is our race.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/44898.html#ixzz14pxmSLfA

Southern Comfort

November 9th, 2010
5:08 pm

I’m only certain of one thing about a state pledge to the state flag. As long as the flag remains as it is today, I would not recite a pledge to it nor would I stand for a pledge to it. I’d remove myself from the room before I did that. I understand the historical nature of the flag, but that is why I would not pledge allegiance to it if someone held a gun to my head. You may as well shoot me.

josef nix

November 9th, 2010
5:09 pm

JAY
@ 5:05

That’s your opinion. An opinion I happen to agree with, mind you, but an opinion nonethelss…

JDW

November 9th, 2010
5:09 pm

calawags Indeed! That is who became the legislators, the carpetbaggers are the lobbyists and the secessionists, well they didn’t amount to much but they still vote REPUBLICAN…makes Ole Abe roll over in his grave.

JDW

November 9th, 2010
5:09 pm

oopps Scalawags!

AmVet

November 9th, 2010
5:10 pm

Pogo, I think she lives with the second gunman on the grassy knoll.

Geezoo, get a grip brother…

Union, no worries. You’re a good egg…

Union

November 9th, 2010
5:10 pm

jc.. so if you were to go to a ball game.. you wouldnt stand for the national anthem?

RW-(the original)

November 9th, 2010
5:11 pm

“I pledge allegiance to the Georgia flag and to the principles for which it stands: Wisdom, Justice, and Moderation.”

How is that a pledge to a particular partisan political position? Then again I guess wisdom, justice, and moderation aren’t really the left’s strong suits.

@@

November 9th, 2010
5:12 pm

Matti:

Do you have evidence other than your personal account to offer?

A name of said teacher and school? The month, day and year this flagrant abuse of power took place?

Dusty

November 9th, 2010
5:12 pm

Soco, your 4:58 is right on. We should never forget those who sacrificed so much for us. I love the American flag. Sometimes it can really make your heart beat faster ’specially when some one sings our national anthem and everybody shouts for joy and the flag is waving ( and the Braves are waiting to ;play!!).. You just can’t beat it. .

Jay

November 9th, 2010
5:13 pm

Fake naivete becomes you so well, RW.

Apparently you practice it often?

Southern Comfort

November 9th, 2010
5:13 pm

The problem is that it is intended as a pledge to a particular partisan political position.

And they wonder why they receive such minute support from the minority community…

Matti

November 9th, 2010
5:14 pm

Westchester Elementary School, Scott Boulevard, Decatur Georgia, mid 70’s, Mrs. McEntire, or maybe it was McEntyre. You’re welcome.

AmVet

November 9th, 2010
5:14 pm

It would appear that I have missed something exceptionally obvious and exceptionally important.

I pledge allegiance to the Georgia Flag

My major mortification! Color me clueless!

This, friends and neighbors changes everything.

Like my brothers SoCo and Jay, I too would not pledge any allegiance to that flag.

My Unionist Jayhawk roots would never allow it.

Bring back that excellent placemat flag and I’ll consider it…

JohnnyReb

November 9th, 2010
5:14 pm

Hello and regards Josef. I grew up with the stars and bars on the state flag and was sad to see it go. I did not agree it was a symbol of or support of slavery. Instead, it represented Georgia’s oppostion to an overreaching Fed Government. Of course, that overreaching was necessary when it came to slavery as that institution cannot be defended by any means. Today, we find ourselves with the Fed Government again overreaching. A subject near and dear to me throughout my life. Independence is the ticket, or at least as much of it as one can handle.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

November 9th, 2010
5:15 pm

OK “Pledge fans” let’s go to the videotape (Wikipedia): The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian SOCIALIST (ewwww), and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850–1898). The original “Pledge of Allegiance” was published in the September 8 issue of the popular children’s magazine The Youth’s Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus’s arrival in the Americas. The event was conceived and promoted by James B. Upham, a marketer for the magazine, in a campaign to sell flags to public schools and magazines to students,while instilling the idea of American nationalism in them.

Hmmmph (head slightly tilted, hand on chin, looking upward); “nationalism and socialism” where did this combination play well with the locals?

Bellamy’s original Pledge read as follows:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

thanks to the “mustache on the Mona Lisa” crowd, we now have a “nationalist, socialist, theorcratic” Pledge. “you’re doin’ a great job, zealots! Mission Accomplished!”

you know, I would be happy to recite a 1954 anti-communist Pledge if the Cold Warriors demonstrated the gumption and intelligence to draft their own Pledge, but I will not dishonor the work of Mr. Bellamy by “re-writing” history.

Hillbilly Deluxe

November 9th, 2010
5:15 pm

“I pledge allegiance to the Georgia flag and to the principles for which it stands: Wisdom, Justice, and Moderation.”

That is the pledge that I remember, from all those years ago. Has it changed?

jewcowboy

November 9th, 2010
5:15 pm

Union,

“so if you were to go to a ball game.. you wouldnt stand for the national anthem?”

The Star Spangled Banner is not a devotional or invocation.

RW-(the original)

November 9th, 2010
5:15 pm

Jay B,

Your condescending snarkasm aside, would you, or josef since he says he agrees, explain how it’s a p,p,p,p?

Thanks in advance.

josef nix

November 9th, 2010
5:15 pm

Matti

I had a similar experience and being the little Jewish boy, I can tell you how I felt. I didn’t feel any more alienated in the classroom than I did out of it. But then my home training was that if you want someone to respect your beliefs, then you should respect theirs.

Matti

November 9th, 2010
5:16 pm

AtAt,

How could I forget, and why the heck would I make that up? She also fancied herself as somewhat of a Kate Smith (rather resembled her), and led the class in God Bless America every day. I can still remember the pain that shot through my be-tubed, oft-infected little ears when she warbled through those high notes.

Hillbilly Deluxe

November 9th, 2010
5:17 pm

Johnny Reb @ 5:14

The Stars and Bars is the flag that the current state flag is based on. The one you grew up with was based on the St Andrew’s Cross.

Matti

November 9th, 2010
5:19 pm

jo nix,

I was not horrified at the time, but as a Mommy now, remembering it makes my heart go out to that little boy. I’m surprised his mother didn’t raise holy heck, but then, I’m sure she was just trying to fit in and not rock the boat.

md

November 9th, 2010
5:19 pm

“I’m glad (I hope) freaks like her can’t get away with that stuff now!”

But they do…………we are all freaks in our own little way……..every single one of us has beliefs, and many are still forced upon others in schools on a daily basis.

Take MMGW for instance………..just a belief, yet preached by many…………

@@

November 9th, 2010
5:19 pm

we are talking about visiting the GA State Capitol Bldg and the Atlanta City Hall…a secular gov’t building.

I’ve attended many a Commissioners’ board meeting here in Clayton County. Whether it be zoning or regular business, the meeting is preceded by the pledge and an invocation usually delivered by a local clergy.

All Democrats.

No one complains.

JohnnyReb

November 9th, 2010
5:20 pm

Thanks Hillbilly Deluxe. I guess I showed my ignorance on that. We always called it the stars and bars of the Confederacy. Regardless, you get my intention.