Compromise? Sure, say Dems. Nope, says GOP.

Watching President Obama’s press conference this afternoon, in which he talked of trying to find ways to cooperate and build consensus with Republicans, you could see the dominant narrative of the next two years already taking shape.

“No one party will be able to dictate where we go from here,” Obama said. “We must find common ground to make progress on some uncommonly difficult problems.”

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid made a similar point this morning. “We’ve got to start working together… Legislation’s the art of compromise,” he said on the Today Show.

In the days before the election, we heard a lot of talk from John Boehner and others rejecting the idea of compromise. Today, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell was singing the same tune.

“I would say to our friends on the other side of the aisle, in listening to what they’ve had to say this morning, that they may have missed the message somewhat,” he said, apparently referring to Reid. “Their view is that we haven’t cooperated enough. I think what the American people were saying yesterday is that they appreciated us saying ‘No’ to the things that the American people indicated they weren’t in favor of.”

So to review what seem to be the major Republican themes:

GOP Talking Point 1: The Democrats lost because Obama refused to compromise.

GOP Talking Point 2 — Compromise? Hell no, we aren’t going to compromise!

In other words, our leaders can’t come to an agreement on whether it’s important to come to an agreement.

706 comments Add your comment

Hillbilly Deluxe

November 3rd, 2010
9:36 pm

And seeing Roy’s Cow is making me want a nice steak. :lol:

Roy's Cow

November 3rd, 2010
9:36 pm

Moo…. I got your ’shovel-ready’ projects falling out of my hindparts…moooo

Scout

November 3rd, 2010
9:36 pm

Regarding yesterday’s elections ……….. thanks Rush !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UofdWQG346k

Sid Farcas

November 3rd, 2010
9:37 pm

Soothsayer

November 3rd, 2010
9:02 pm
Sid Farcas: judging by the amount of time of your absence, I can only surmise that you spent considerable time working on your response. For that I salute you!

1) Extend the tax cuts and give security in the knowledge that government is not going to over regulate the piss out of them. They can now release the $$$!

BUT! BUT! What about the sacrosanct budget defict that you howl about?
WHAT PART OF TAX CUTS A ND CUT SPENDING DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

2) Stop pandering to China na dsee answer number one which will help. Keep jobs here and start being competitive with pricing. Unions must have a leash on them for this to work.

Praise Jesus and Hallejujah! Studies have shown that the competitive advantage China and other countries have over us is not due to the cost of labor but due to the lax environmental laws.
AND SO YOU WANT TO FORCE CHINA TO HAVE AN EPA?

3) Refrom the healthcare bill to address this question instead of taking over every freaking health issue out there. It can be done but, it will take then to work together and is bigger then you and me. And no, you don’t have an answer either.

Studies have shown that the insurance companies add 35%+ to the cost of healthcare in this country. Do we really need insurance companies?
NO, LET’S LET THE GOVERNMENT CONTROL IT. THEY HAVE DONE SO WELL ON EVERYTHING ELSE THEY RUN! aRE YOU KIDDING?

4) CUT SPENDING! Get the economy going with tax cuts and get employment down to a repectable number and you will bring in more revenues.

Now I’m all for this! Would you be willing to cut our Military spending by 50%. Would you be willing to initiate an immediate 35% tariff on Chinese and ASEAN good? We’ve already been down the tax cuts road–no benefit.
YOU DO NOT CUT THE MILITARY AT A TIME WHEN WE ARE AT WAR. CHINA WOULD LOVE FOR US TO CUT THE MILITARY LIKE ANY LIBERAL. TAX CUTS WORK WHEN SPENDING IS CUT.

I was taking a break to watch Modern Family with Keep up’s mom. I do not need to research to answer your questions. I study through out the day.

NEXT?!

Soothsayer

November 3rd, 2010
9:38 pm

“The new Malibu costs $23,000, not $29,900, because the tax burden that was built into the Malibu has been removed and replaced. Why do you not get this simple concept?”

No, I don’t get it. Please expain it to me.

Scout

November 3rd, 2010
9:39 pm

shel·lack·ing   /ʃəˈlækɪŋ/
[shuh-lak-ing]

–noun Slang .
1. an utter defeat: a shellacking their team will remember.

2. a sound thrashing: His father gave him a shellacking for stealing the book.

Uhhhhhhh …………. yep, it fits.

JDW

November 3rd, 2010
9:39 pm

@ Hillbilly…the one thing a VAT has going for it is it taxes the underground economy. Say a guy comes to build you a deck and gives you a discount for cash, I know that never happens, those earnings are never captured. With a VAT at least taxes were paid through the material purchase.

Roy's Cow

November 3rd, 2010
9:40 pm

Hillbilly,

LOL I thought I would offer up a laugh for these serious conversation. You guys are re-hashing the same thing on a daily basis but nobody is changing their minds on these issues. Everyone is stuck on their beliefs.

It is what it is.

Good night guys.

Eat mor chikin..our local economy depends on it!

Scout

November 3rd, 2010
9:40 pm

Heard this today:

“Messiah to Pariah”

Soothsayer

November 3rd, 2010
9:40 pm

Sid Fracas: have you considered a 12-step program? Seriously, you need some help!

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
9:42 pm

my question is,,WHERE WAS THIS “COMPROMISE” 10, 12 14 MONTHS AGO??????????????now he’s saying ONE PARTY will not run the country..hell, just last week he was saying the republicans can get in the back seat!!!!!! why is CNN, NBC, and the boys not asking this? He actually believes that we are that stupid, people!!!

Soothsayer

November 3rd, 2010
9:42 pm

Scout: may I respectfully offer this advice? Save a scrapbook of all of today’s headlines and drag them out 2 years from now.

Dave R.

November 3rd, 2010
9:44 pm

“But I guess in your world Factcheck.org is not objective?”

Not when it comes to the FairTax. I DID go to the link, and they know nothing about the FairTax when it comes to facts. Try THIS one line:

“But when calculating federal expenditures, FairTax proponents did not factor in the additional costs of the 30 percent sales tax.”

OK, how can federal expenditures increase by 30% when the Fair Tax REPLACES the embedded taxes on all products? The federal government is ALREADY paying taxes on everything they buy – it’s built into the cost of everything they buy. Whether you call it a 30% exclusive or a 23% inclusive tax, the revenues generated are still the same.

Likewise, they don’t take into consideration the increased revenues generated by illegal aliens who will have to pay taxes on everything they buy, when they don’t pay taxes at all today.

Same for foreign visitors (tourists) that come here. Both groups supply the increased revenues that the FairTax will generate.

Frankly, there’s about 10 major and 4 minor errors in their alleged “study”.

Sid Farcas

November 3rd, 2010
9:44 pm

Soothsayer

November 3rd, 2010
9:42 pm
Scout: may I respectfully offer this advice? Save a scrapbook of all of today’s headlines and drag them out 2 years from now.

Better yet, lets drag out the ones from 2 years ago. That would be fun, wouldn’t it soothie?

Dave R.

November 3rd, 2010
9:46 pm

Explained at 9:06 on page 12, Soothsayer.

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
9:46 pm

is Donald Trump the only person who understands that WE have to start making things here again? look at your remote, right now, i bet it say ‘made in china’..why the F can’t we make that here? it’s really a scary thing, and people just don’t see it happening right in front of their faces…

theeyeshaveit

November 3rd, 2010
9:46 pm

Think that morning commute is tough? Wait till you see the gridlock that there is going to be in Congress. Well, some people will take joy in that, too. I suppose there are many out there who live to see a zero to zero soccer game as well.

Soothsayer

November 3rd, 2010
9:48 pm

Sid: it just goes back to what I said much earlier. If you expect government to serve anyone but their corporate masters, you are going to be sorely disapointed. You’re right, the ignorant electorate believed that the Democrats would save them. Now, just as stupidly, they expect that the Republicans will save them. You seem to have sobered up. Congratulations.

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
9:49 pm

and here’s the real scary thing,,what if, just what if, the economy starts to turn around(which i don’t think it will) over the next two years? you know who’ll take credit for it, don’t you? and you know what will happen in 2012 if this happens, don’t you? Obama getting re-elected, just like Clinton did…

Scout

November 3rd, 2010
9:49 pm

Soothsayer :

At ease Soothsayer, I’ll be in the company area all day.

theeyeshaveit

November 3rd, 2010
9:51 pm

Jack, that’s no bull. We have corporations shipping jobs to China (didn’t work out too well for Carly Fiorina in California) and we have the Chinese shipping all their crap to us.

theeyeshaveit

November 3rd, 2010
9:52 pm

Scout,

How have you been?

Soothsayer

November 3rd, 2010
9:53 pm

You know what? As entertaining as this all is, I’m going in to warm my feet on the woodstove and enjoy a libation. Good night all!

I hope that you all (right and left–Americans) sleep tight

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

November 3rd, 2010
9:53 pm

Hmmmm, Where were the dems on compromise the past two years, I say HELL NO, we can wait for two more years. LAME DUCK tastes fine to me!

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
9:54 pm

so, speaking of taxes, how do you like the fact that if you sell something on craigslist starting next year, you’ll get taxed on it? but NO, they’re not going to tax the middle class, are they?

Dave R.

November 3rd, 2010
9:56 pm

Good night, all.

theeyeshaveit

November 3rd, 2010
9:57 pm

OK, I’m checking out, too. Night all.

Blog Go

November 3rd, 2010
9:59 pm

Harry Dick Weed will continue, unfortunately to be the Senates village idiot.

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
9:59 pm

i did some work for a company that assembles new desks, lockers, and such in new schools being built.. well, guess where all of stuff came from? Russia!! i couldn’t believe it, a new public school being built with my, our, tax dollars, and all of the stuff comes from Russia?!? not to count all of the concrete and landscaping that was going on was being done by…….you know who…..Mexicans….don’t you just love our fabulous country??

Sid Farcas

November 3rd, 2010
10:01 pm

Soothsayer

November 3rd, 2010
9:48 pm
Sid: it just goes back to what I said much earlier. If you expect government to serve anyone but their corporate masters, you are going to be sorely disapointed. You’re right, the ignorant electorate believed that the Democrats would save them. Now, just as stupidly, they expect that the Republicans will save them. You seem to have sobered up. Congratulations

Me, calm down? I learned a trick from the liberal handbook a few years ago. Fight yelling and screaming with yelling and screaming. They bring a stick to a fight, I bring a tank. The liberal front and liberal media do not understand civil debate. So I say bring it down to their level when needed.

Paulo977

November 3rd, 2010
10:02 pm

Sid

Teachers have already been tested before being handed certification!!!!!

JDW

November 3rd, 2010
10:05 pm

@Dave R

“OK, how can federal expenditures increase by 30% when the Fair Tax REPLACES the embedded taxes on all products?”

It can’t “replace the embedded tax”

You must have missed this part:

In fact, the best-known proponent of the FairTax, talk-show host Neal Boortz, argues that 22 percent of the price of a consumer good is really a “hidden tax.” Get rid of corporate and social security taxes, Boortz argues, and consumer good prices would drop by 22 percent. Even with the 23 percent FairTax, prices stay the same, and with the elimination of income taxes, paychecks will get bigger. Everyone gets a raise and the federal government still gets its revenue. About 10 percent of the e-mail messages we received from FairTax proponents trumpeted this kind of magic act. It is easy to understand the confusion on the issue, as Boortz himself made similar assertions in the hardcover edition of his book. (He later issued a corrected version in paperback.)

A bit of critical analysis shows that this cannot be right. The FairTax is revenue-neutral. That means that for every tax dollar collected under the current system, the FairTax has to collect a dollar. If the FairTax exactly equaled embedded taxes, then it could not possibly be revenue-neutral, since embedded taxes do not take into account personal income or estate taxes. The FairTax rate would have to be high enough to replace embedded taxes plus income and estate taxes.

Jay

November 3rd, 2010
10:05 pm

Jack, I sympathize with that frustration. Honestly.

But then you’ve got the fact that between the Russians and the Mexicans, that project was probably built for 20-30 percent less than what it what it have cost otherwise. And in this culture, lowest cost rules.

Right?

JDW

November 3rd, 2010
10:07 pm

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
9:54 pm
“so, speaking of taxes, how do you like the fact that if you sell something on craigslist starting next year, you’ll get taxed on it? but NO, they’re not going to tax the middle class, are they?”

As they should, those aren’t “new taxes” simply enforcement of the taxes we already have…we should enforce the laws shouldn’t we?

JDW

November 3rd, 2010
10:10 pm

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
9:49 pm
“and here’s the real scary thing,,what if, just what if, the economy starts to turn around(which i don’t think it will) over the next two years? you know who’ll take credit for it, don’t you? and you know what will happen in 2012 if this happens, don’t you? Obama getting re-elected, just like Clinton did…”

Catch 22 isn’t it…Repubs do nothing economy turns Obama gets the credit or Repubs do nothin economy doesn’t turn Repubs get blame.

Quite serendipitous isn’t it?

Soothsayer

November 3rd, 2010
10:10 pm

Oh the beautiful land
Where we’ll never die.
That’s where my soul
Shall rest on high.
I’ll sing and shout
For His face I’ll see.
With God I’ll rest
For eternity.

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
10:11 pm

oh i know jay, i am, was, a residential builder, so i know lowest cost rules (although, Latino labor really isn’t that much different than anyone elses). but still, why in the world can’t we make these ‘goods’ here?? is it truly because of the unions(which the dems love)?

and thanx for responding, Jay

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
10:12 pm

yes JDW, yes, it is…

Paulo977

November 3rd, 2010
10:14 pm

josef
8:26pm

Is there any way to educate these ****** on what teaching is all about?
Great response!

Jay

November 3rd, 2010
10:16 pm

I don’t think so, Jack. Labor costs in Russia are probably a third of what they are here, regardless of union rules. The Russian manufacturer probably doesn’t have to worry about environmental rules, especially if he pays his monthly bribe to the gov’t inspector. That might sound good to US businessmen, but less good if you’re a Russian who has to drink the water or breathe the air.

I mean, would you rather live in Russia? And if not, WHY not?

JDW

November 3rd, 2010
10:18 pm

@Jack Bull, I hear you on the desks…it is hard to manufacture in this country. In some parts the unions are an issue but really it is the low cost labor, low health care costs, low rent costs, no environmental or safety regs offered in Russia or other low cost locals.

Our consumers demand lower costs and companies have to give it to them or lose to China…if we can’t continually replace the lost jobs with retrained workers in new jobs it leads to a vicious cycle

JDW

November 3rd, 2010
10:21 pm

Jay wrote:

“I mean, would you rather live in Russia? And if not, WHY not?”

Nope been there, did business there, it is like the wild wild west only more violent. If you make any cash at all you need to ride in an armor plated car…good vodka though.

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
10:21 pm

i wouldn’t want to live in Russia for a couple of reasons, 1)been to St Petersburg before, coldest place on earth! colder than in the northern terrritory of Canada, 2) don’t speak the language, 3)my family is here..good enough, right?

as for taxing personel property that you sell, uh, i didn’t know that was supposed to be taxed..so, when i sold my truck earlier this year, i should’ve taxed the guy that bought it??? learn something new everyday…

Jay

November 3rd, 2010
10:23 pm

Well, there is that, JW.

On the other hand, as a bourbon man myself….

JDW

November 3rd, 2010
10:23 pm

O’ and Jay…further to that point we had an open AR account with a guy that was funded by the Russians. We never got paid nor did the Russians but they took it worse than we did…took him out back one night and BAM.

JDW

November 3rd, 2010
10:24 pm

LOL…scotch usually as in now

Scout

November 3rd, 2010
10:25 pm

theeyeshavit:

Hey, doing pretty good. Where have you been ?

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
10:27 pm

been fun, gotta a whole lot of ’stuff’ i need to get sold in the next two months,,time to get busy, i guess.. c ya

JDW

November 3rd, 2010
10:27 pm

@JackBull, nope you were good on your truck. Used cars are exempt if the original owner sells them.

Scout

November 3rd, 2010
10:28 pm

Sign off, Taps, Ooo Rah !, Go Dawgs, Amen and Semper Fi !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKlUcmuCwlo&feature=related

JDW

November 3rd, 2010
10:29 pm

With you on the DAWGS Scout…maybe that will get better soon!

Ima Crook

November 3rd, 2010
10:29 pm

Is Georgia a great state or what in electing one of the 15 most corrupt pols in congress as their governor? I bet none of our fine christian hypocrotes who are against crime voted for the Real Deal,lmao!!!!

Donald Trump for President in 2012

November 3rd, 2010
10:29 pm

“Stop the Chinese. They’re screwing America on an hourly basis.

They need us more than we need them.”

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
10:33 pm

seriously though, a guy gave me 22,900 dollars in cash to me, i gave him the keys, and the title, to my truck. i was supposed to tax him on that??

then, just Monday, i sold my pool table, for 550 dollars, cash, i should’ve taxed him too??

oops

s

November 3rd, 2010
10:33 pm

Somehow, Boehner the cry baby, the new speaker of the house, does not give me a great deal of confidence that he will accomplish anything different in the house except maybe to continue with nope, I’m not playing, if I can’t win! How sad for this country, to have politicians such as this to lead us.

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
10:34 pm

Enter your comments here

jack bull

November 3rd, 2010
10:39 pm

hey Ima, we had three choices, the corrupt Deal, the corrupt Barnes(who i know personally and i wouldn’t trust him with my dog, or your dog for that matter), or the corrupt Monds(who wants to legalize pot), i say we picked the lesser evil, myself..

JDW

November 3rd, 2010
10:40 pm

@Jack Bull…if the state catches you on the pool table you are toast…7% sales tax due.

JDW

November 3rd, 2010
10:43 pm

Now Jack…only one of the three is in danger of indictment……………………..Though I don’t imbibe I was ok with the pot thing.

JDW

November 3rd, 2010
10:46 pm

Been fun folks but time for bed…Good night all hopefully all this back and forth sparked an idea or two along the way.

md

November 3rd, 2010
10:52 pm

Simple math – consumers demand inexpensive goods and a high wage – simply impossible…………

Fred G. Sanford

November 3rd, 2010
10:53 pm

The “G” stands for “get rid of the democrats” you big dummy.

JDW @ 10:07 pm

“we should enforce the laws shouldn’t we?”

You mean like immigration laws? Than absolutely.

Donald Trump for President in 2012

November 3rd, 2010
11:39 pm

Dennis Miller is my choice for VP.

Lil' Barry Bailout

November 4th, 2010
5:25 am

Jay, hows about the GOP compromises with the Democrat party as much as the Democrat party did with the GOP the last two years? Heh heh.

CynthiaM

November 4th, 2010
5:59 am

Obama and his cronies have played the last 2 years by an attitude of “doing what they want, regardless of who likes it”. NOW, they want to reach across the aisle and play nice, compromising for the good of the American people. Oh brother! They have no desire for compromise on their part, they are asking the Republican MAJORITY to compromise so they will not look like the ineffective leaders they are. Their idea of compromise is damdage control to maintain their look of power. The republican majority has no need for compromise and I hopoe they begin to work immediately to take America back from the hands of the socialist minority!

USinUK

November 4th, 2010
6:01 am

“Jay, hows about the GOP compromises with the Democrat party as much as the Democrat party did with the GOP the last two years?”

which they did. constantly. only to be kicked in the teeth by the GOP. repeatedly.

Dave R.

November 4th, 2010
6:13 am

“The FairTax rate would have to be high enough to replace embedded taxes plus income and estate taxes.”

Not so, JDW. Once again, you don’t understand the basics of the FairTax. Two income streams are not taxed in today’s system: illegal immigrants and legal visitors. With the FairTax, every sales transaction contributes to the tax base, and those who traditionally did not contribute will now do so, without an associated increase in the price of an item.

Keep putting up the false targets, JDW. I’ll keep knocking them down with FACTS.

Dave R.

November 4th, 2010
6:15 am

““Jay, hows about the GOP compromises with the Democrat party as much as the Democrat party did with the GOP the last two years?”

which they did. constantly. only to be kicked in the teeth by the GOP. repeatedly.”

Only if you consider “Vote our way or else” a form of compromise . . . :)

USinUK

November 4th, 2010
6:35 am

Dave R –

the GOP wanted tax cuts in the stimulus? they got ‘em (30% of bill consisted of tax cuts)

the GOP didn’t want anything withing sniffing distance of a single-payer system (or public option) – there isn’t one.

the GOP didn’t want reproductive services covered in the health care bill – it isn’t.

shall I go on?

Dave R.

November 4th, 2010
6:42 am

Please do, since only one of your examples is truly based on GOP compromises (although it took a handful of misbegotten Democrats to pass it in the House.

Senate DEMOCRATS enabled your first two examples. The GOP was just (and continues to be for revisionist historians like yourself) to be a convenient excuse when the Dems had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

Mongo

November 4th, 2010
6:43 am

It seems like the Conned think the won both houses of congress, they didn’t. They have no mandate.

Dave R.

November 4th, 2010
6:50 am

The only mandate, Mongo (if there is one at all), is to cut spending and reduce the size of government.

Voters obviously felt that the GOP was better suited to listen to that message and do something about it, since they had already determined that the Democrats didn’t listen to them in the past 2 years. If the Dems listen to that message and heed it, they might not lose the Senate in 2012.

USinUK

November 4th, 2010
6:53 am

Dave – “Senate DEMOCRATS enabled your first two examples”

please. you seem to mistake compromise to mean giving EVERYTHING when it means only SOME ground.

Dave R.

November 4th, 2010
7:00 am

Compromise would have been tort reform in HCR. Compromise would have been allowing insurance plans to cross state lines. And on and on and on.

Compromise would have been to listen to the American people and scrap the whole plan and start over which the polls you libs like to ignore ALL said to do.

Sorry. You folks had your chance at governing, and tried ruling instead. Didn’t exactly work out for you as you were thrown out farther and faster than any majority in history and replaced with a party less thought of than your own.

At some point, you might just get that reality, but I doubt it based on the comments on this blog yesterday and today,

USinUK

November 4th, 2010
7:01 am

shorter Dave R – “you didn’t give us everything we wanted, therefore, you didn’t compromise”

Dave R.

November 4th, 2010
7:12 am

Reality, UNinUK – “You didn’t give us anything significant we wanted, but threw us a bone and rejected the will of the American people at the same time.”

That’s not compromise. Except in your altered reality.

And your party paid for that arrogance yesterday in the biggest electoral embarrassment in the history of this nation. and all you can do is say, “But, but . . . we really DID compromise!”

The voters said otherwise. And if just a couple of Senate candidates were a bit more palatable to blue-state voters, you would have lost both chambers and your majority leader.

Doggone/GA

November 4th, 2010
7:17 am

“Compromise would have been”…

Nope, your examples would have been capitulation, not compromise

HDB

November 4th, 2010
7:18 am

Dave R.

November 4th, 2010
7:00 am
Compromise would have been tort reform in HCR. Compromise would have been allowing insurance plans to cross state lines. And on and on and on.

One: Insurance IS already sold across state lines – BCBS, Aetna, Prudential…….

Two: Doesn’t work: Insurance bought in Georgia won’t get paid when used in Iowa….I know…it happened to ME recently with BCBS!!

Three: Tort reform only means the DENIAL of the right to seek redress and to be adjudicated by a JURY of your peers! That’s denial of a basic Constitutional right!!

Four: Not ALL aspects of HCR are needed to be eliminated; no pre-existing conditions is something that ALL Americans agreed upon; the capability of children to remain on a parent’s insurance until 26 addresses the unemployment issue!!

People need to have a LONG TERM view of things rather than desiring a quick fix!! That won’t happen!!

stands for decibels

November 4th, 2010
7:18 am

What this thread needs is Davey telling us what the voters wanted. Boy howdy I could listen to that all the live-long day!

HDB

November 4th, 2010
7:20 am

The question that people need to seriously think about is this: IS the MAJORITY always RIGHT?? Obviously, the answer is NO!! We’ll see that much of what the majority is asking for will come to the detriment of the minority…..and everyine in the nation will be the worse for it!!

USinUK

November 4th, 2010
7:28 am

dB – 7:18 – if it just had a wicked beat, I could dance to it, too …

midtownguy

November 4th, 2010
7:29 am

“Newly elected Rep. Michelle Bachmann blasted Obama’s out of control spending while refusing to name any specific cuts to the US Budget”

and this is how it’s going to go for the next two years.

JDW

November 4th, 2010
7:30 am

November 4th, 2010
6:13 am
“The FairTax rate would have to be high enough to replace embedded taxes plus income and estate taxes.”

Not so, JDW. Once again, you don’t understand the basics of the FairTax. Two income streams are not taxed in today’s system: illegal immigrants and legal visitors. With the FairTax, every sales transaction contributes to the tax base, and those who traditionally did not contribute will now do so, without an associated increase in the price of an item.

Keep putting up the false targets, JDW. I’ll keep knocking them down with FACTS.

FactCheck gave you the FACTS Dave you just don’t like them. As for the Fair Tax I will wager that I understand it far better than you…of course one of the benefits is that the underground economy is taxed and if you had bothered to read my posts you would have noticed that I made mention of that very fact at 9:39 last night.

I will say again a combination VAT and streamlined income tax is the way out of this mess. The Fair Tax as it stands is inadequate.

http://www.factcheck.org/taxes/unspinning_the_fairtax.html

USinUK

November 4th, 2010
7:30 am

oh, and Dave R – contrary to your skewed view of reality, lawsuits aren’t what drives up health care costs, so adding tort reform won’t drive down costs – the only people it will hurt are the people who have ALREADY been injured by malpractice

USinUK

November 4th, 2010
7:32 am

““Newly elected Rep. Michelle Bachmann blasted Obama’s out of control spending while refusing to name any specific cuts to the US Budget””

sweet jeebus … if anyone is hoping to get anything even remotely like common sense out of that woman, you might as well start believing in unicorns and fairies, while you’re at it …

JDW

November 4th, 2010
7:34 am

Dave R wrote:

“Sorry. You folks had your chance at governing, and tried ruling instead.”

Dave I still have not heard your spin on the last 16 years let me refresh your memory:

“From 1932 to 1994 the Dems controlled the House all but two years. Since 1994 they have controlled the house only two years. ”

From 1947 (couldn’t get nums back to 32 but it would make the post 47 growth rate higher) GDP expanded at the average rate of 3.55% per year. Since 1994 the GDP has expanded at the rate of 2.55% per year. Even if you leave the last 2 years out the rate of expansion would only be 2.72%.

On January 1 1994 our national debt stood at about $3.5 Trillion. Since then it has grown to $13.5 Trillion.

So over a 47 year period Dems grew the economy at a 3.55% average rate while amassing $3.5 Trillion in debt or about 25% of GDP which in 1994 was a 47 year low.

In the last 16 years Repugs have grown the economy at a 2.55% rate or about 28% per year less while amassing about $10 Trillion in debt representing an all time high of 62% of GDP.

What has happened under the Republican watch?

Dave R.

November 4th, 2010
7:34 am

“and this is how it’s going to go for the next two years.”

Uh, no, I don’t think it will be. The GOP has to provide specifics now. If they don’t, THEY’LL be out in 2 years and a new third-party will eclipse both existing ones.

And stands, as usual, you libs ignore the polls you don’t like and embrace the polls you do like. The VOTERS told us what they wanted AT the polls and IN the polls. That you refuse to accept it is yet another example of the tone-deaf nature of your party and your belief system.

Off to my real job. You can ignore reality for the rest of the day.

stands for decibels

November 4th, 2010
7:35 am

lawsuits aren’t what drives up health care costs

If they were, then those states that capped pain and suffering awards should’ve seen some kind of insurance premium relief. And they haven’t.

USinUK

November 4th, 2010
7:36 am

“a new third-party will eclipse both existing ones”

:lol:

I love the wide-eyed innocence of people who think that third parties will take hold in the US. they don’t. in 230+ years, they haven’t yet – what makes you think NOW is any different.

midtownguy

November 4th, 2010
7:36 am

Since the map of How Georgia Voted was almost all red in South Georgia, I say the first step in getting this out of control spending under control is to eliminate all farm subsidies.

Doggone/GA

November 4th, 2010
7:36 am

USinUK ” lawsuits aren’t what drives up health care costs,”

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it Texas that enacted a similar type of tort “reform” and their healthcare costs went UP?

USinUK

November 4th, 2010
7:37 am

dB – 7:35 – s’all i’m sayin’ …

USinUK

November 4th, 2010
7:40 am

so, if the doctor who delivers your child botches it, causing permanent brain damage that is going to cost you millions over the coming years, you shold only be entitled to $50,000 (or whatever other arbitrary cost the corporate-friendly legislators determine) because, hey, why punish the doctor.

meanwhile, you don’t think the insurance company is going to raise his premiums just as much as they would without tort reform??? they’re out to make a profit … and profit is what they will make.

@@

November 4th, 2010
7:44 am

The price of used cars will skyrocket.

Only if fools (like those in California–see housing) are willing to pay the asking price.

Kelley’s Blue Book will look out for the consumer.

Do left-wingers even know how to negotiate price?

It would appear not.

Paul:

Prickly? Nope!

Just tired of all the condescension. Two years of listening to this administration talk DOWN to the American people was two years too many.

In Obama’s press conference yesterday, there was a moment when he mentioned jobs. If he could have rolled his eyes and gotten away with it, he would have. It was almost as though everyone’s job loss was an inconvenience for HIM, not them.

JDW

November 4th, 2010
7:45 am

Dave R.

November 4th, 2010
7:34 am
“Off to my real job. You can ignore reality for the rest of the day.”

Still waiting for your spin…I will keep reminding you.

Enoch

November 4th, 2010
7:47 am

Thinking the dems were compromising the past two years is a sign of left wing poisoning or a mental defect. What universe are you living in?

Doggone/GA

November 4th, 2010
7:48 am

“meanwhile, you don’t think the insurance company is going to raise his premiums just as much as they would without tort reform???”

My understanding of the tort “reform” being pushed is that it would cap punitive damages, not compensatory claims.

Normal

November 4th, 2010
7:51 am

Good morning all y’all…A great time was had by all at Mom’s party last night and to those who wished her well, she thanks you.
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I see Dave R is having fun this morning. I will wait to June to ask him “is it fixed yet?” That was about all the time they gave Obama.

And Dave, how does a 20-25 percent tax not raise product prices? This isn’t another one of those “a tax break for the rich won’t add to the deficit” thing, is it? From all I have read about Fair Tax is that its fair only for the rich.
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USinUK,
we have Brit weather here…wet and cold. Where’s that Global warming when you need it? :D

stands for decibels

November 4th, 2010
7:53 am

you libs ignore the polls you don’t like

The other thing this and every other comments thread, to infinity and beyond, really needs?

is for us to be reminded that if you take the healthcare reform legislation and call it “Obamacare” and demonize the living crap out of it with the mainstream media’s help, you’ll get a modest majority of Americans to say they don’t think it’s all that great.

Boy howdy, that’s farm fresh every time.

Fair IS fair

November 4th, 2010
8:05 am

How does the FairTax protect low-income and lower-middle-income families and individuals?

Under the FairTax Plan, poor people pay no net FairTax at all up to the poverty level! Every household receives a rebate that is equal to the FairTax paid on essential goods and services, and wage earners are no longer subject to the most regressive and burdensome tax of all, the payroll tax. Those spending at twice the poverty level pay a tax of only 11.5 percent — a rate much lower than the income and payroll tax burden they bear today.

Under the federal income tax, slow economic growth and recessions have a disproportionately adverse impact on lower-income families. Breadwinners in these families are more likely to lose their jobs, are less likely to have the resources to weather bad economic times, and are more in need of the initial employment opportunities that a dynamic, growing economy provides. Retaining the present tax system makes economic progress needlessly slow, thus harming low-income people the most.

In contrast, the FairTax dramatically improves economic growth and wage rates for all, but especially for lower-income families and individuals. In addition to receiving the monthly FairTax prebate, these taxpayers are freed from regressive payroll taxes, the federal income tax, and the compliance burdens associated with each. They pay no more business taxes hidden in the price of goods and services, and used goods are tax free.

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq_answers

Allowing government to bludgeon people with their wallets is not fair. Allowing government to use class warfare to create division among the populace is counterproductive. It gives government the upper-hand, leaving us to squabble for scraps.