‘They’re smokin’ weed over there!’

“Of course, if those same young people are sitting at home stoned come Tuesday, getting them off the couch and out the door might be a problem.”

Probably have every intention of going to the polls, then after that first doobie the urge subsides and the real world takes over – the scavenge for food……….

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Gotta say, I’m pulling for TX.

“Of course, if those same young people are sitting at home stoned come Tuesday, getting them off the couch and out the door might be a problem.”

That’s funny.

By the way, I’m ok legalizing pot as long as we (A) regulate it and tax it and run public service ads against it and (B) -would someone please – secure the border…., you know, one of those basic fundamental governmental activities…..

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Of course it’s legal! How else to you get Nancy and Barbara elected?
Stoners rule!

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“-would someone please – secure the border…., you know, one of those basic fundamental governmental activities….”

Careful, jm, you’ll might offend someone on here. Those illegals are victims of their own country, and as we learned earlier this week, victims are never, NEVER, at fault for anything.

Seriously, I’m with you. Seal the Fing border.

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Jay, I gotta say, the only two issues I’m a Dem on are the environment and infrastructure. Beyond that, I’m all Republican….

The D party needs to be more than a coalition of “single issue” voters. If not, it will drift back into the minority. The need to stake out the middle. And they’re not doing so currently.

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Nice Guy – liberals are easy to offend. apparently, even if you send them flowers…. (Angle)

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Leg lamp 12:41 –

Well, I like (to visit) all of CA. Politically, perhaps we can just ring San Fran and Hollywood. The rest of CA is more than alright politically. When I was up in Medocino this summer, you would not believe the quantity of people griping about the Dems in the state and in DC. I mean, if you had an Obama sticker on your car, you probably should’ve been wearing body armor.

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And that long haired pitcher for the Giants, he look like he might indulge in the ganja now and again…

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md – yeah, that was trippy. and I didn’t smoke anything this morning.

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“we have better uses for our prisons than pot smokers and dealers.”

They won’t be in prison, they will move to the unemployment line and all costs associated with it………

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Gosh, I agree with Jay Bookman AND Darth Vader (George Soros).

It is very similar to the experiment with Prohibition of alcohol that was a flop.

If someone wants to get drugs today, they will get them whether they are legal or not.

The crime associated with our current drug laws is off the charts.

And put a fraction of the money we are wasting fighting the drug war into pre-education, awareness, and aftercare for addicts.

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I’m very surprised to read non-sense like this :
“Yet no mention of the increased costs associated with social addiction programs, lost productivity, job loss or the fact that when legal, the age of consumption drops…”
Do you think there are no addiction no lost productivitno job loss or no kids using drugs without prop 19?
What if nothing is going to happen? What if mj legal trading could keep your kids away from drug dealers (even if it was beacuse they would steal uncle john’s weed)?
If California won’t be able to control mj trade, you will make it illegal again.
California has the right to try a new policy!

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42 percent told a live interviewer they backed legalization – but 61 percent backed legalizing dope to an automated questioner.”

That’s a pretty fearsome spread. interesting.

Jay, you touched on this in your piece, but to expand a bit, here’s 538 Nate, from 21 October…

It could also be the case that pollsters are under representing non-traditional voters, who may be inclined to vote solely because of Proposition 19. SurveyUSA, for instance, which is one of the few polls still to show Proposition 19 favored to pass, has found a group of “uniquely motivated” voters in California — people who might be weeded out (pardon the pun) by traditional likely voter screens, but who show a strong interest in this year’s elections. These voters favor Proposition 19 by a 7:4 ratio, according to SurveyUSA’s analysis, and could make the difference between its passage and its failure.

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And maybe we could cut a significant portion of DEA’s in excess of $2billion budget? I mean, really, what results have we seen from all that spending?

From their 2010 budget justification:

“The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is the world’s leading drug enforcement agency
with more than 9,000 employees, including almost 600 stationed in 62 foreign countries around the globe. As the only single-mission federal agency dedicated to drug law enforcement, DEA developed a FY 2010 budget request with the goal of providing the critical resources necessary to reduce the availability of illicit drugs and the diversion of licit drugs and precursor chemicals in America. To accomplish this, DEA requests 9,577 positions (including 4,309 Special Agents), 9,420 Full-Time Equivalents (FTE),1 and $2,266,472,000.”

I’ve a friend who’s with a major contractor that supports DEA. The amount of wasted $$$$ is incredible, he tells me.

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George Soros….there’s your sign

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MARK T
October 29th, 2010
1:01 pm

Look “dude”, you’ve stepped waaaaaay over the line, Kamchak hands out the signs around here. Back off.

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HaHa, my bad Leg

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Jay, I think you are understating, a bit, the truly (and literally!) groundbreaking aspect of CA’s Prop 19.

It doesn’t simply legalize possession of up to an ounce; it permits individuals to cultivate their own plants in a space of up to 25 square feet.

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Reefer Madness!

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Only 5% prefer another candidate? That’s BS. Rasmussen needs to take another poll and contact me and my friends. 100% of us prefer another candidate.

“A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in the state finds Deal earning 49% of the vote to Barnes’ 39%. Libertarian candidate John Monds is a distant third, picking up just five percent (5%) support. Another five percent (5%) prefer some other candidate, while one percent (1%) are undecided.”

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Got to give california credit, they truly are progressive in their approach to dealing with the evil weed. Grow it, buy it, tax it, and keep it way from the kids…

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John… man… your rite…that’s deep… @ 1.12

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– how many end up unemployed when many companies are testing?

I believe that those testing companies will be the first casualties if this bill passes. Since there is no way to tell how long cannabis has been in a human body, testing will only prove that someone has engaged in legal activity.

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John
October 29th, 2010
1:12 pm

“with over a 3.0″

Is that sort of the weed version of blood alcohol content?

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stands for decibels
October 29th, 2010
1:15 pm

md
October 29th, 2010
1:15 pm

Ha! Good ones.

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I always found it a bit ironic that marijuana is being used to treat dementia………………what they don’t tell you is marijuana can also be a CAUSE of dementia…………….

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Ok I’m on a computer im not trying to spell gramatical and what not…… but I think I am right and it just goes to show its not the plant its the person

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marky mark

There is more than one FLETC. Border Patrol academy is in Artesia, NM along with a few other agencies. Brunswick is primarily CBP with ICE being the second largest group. Border Patrol has been hiring for years and had to lower their qualifications in years past because they were not getting enough applicants.

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md
**what they don’t tell you is marijuana can also be a CAUSE of dementia…………….**

Is that just a hunch you have or is there any research that backs up your claim?

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Apparently Border’s makes his / her own beer, food, and builds his / her own car and house.

“all gripe and no action then right?”

Nope, I vote.

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Employers can still discriminate against people who engage in a legal activity. Like smoking. Whether its cigarettes or pot.

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Here Mick:

I’m fear-mongering with facts:

http://family.jrank.org/pages/361/Dementia-Types-Causes-Dementia.html

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what they don’t tell you is marijuana can also be a CAUSE of dementia…………….

Oh! Uh, thanks for sharing. So, how much did you smoke before your dementia set in?

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“I can’t believe there are people who still think marijuana is addictive.”

Depends on ones definition of “addiction”. For the most part, it is habit.

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“So, how much did you smoke before your dementia set in?”

You’d be surprised…………..but I really can’t remember…………

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mark t

Obviously, it depends on where the facts are coming from; md is reliable unlike some others-

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JB, I’m from New York, we don’t “spit” on the other team’s fans; we throw batteries or f-bombs, but as Veruca Salt told Willie Wonka; “spitting is a disgusting habit”. I don’t want to put the travelin’ cart before the horse, but as you know, aside from George Carlin, my other lord and savior is Dewy Cox. here’s some dialogue from Dewey’s first experience with reefer from the biopic Walk Hard (note Sam is played by Tim Meadows – he should have won an Oscar):

Dewey accidentally barges in a room filled with smoke and groupies

Sam: [coughs] Get outta here, Dewey!
Dewey Cox: What are y’all doin’ in here?
Sam: We’re smoking reefer and you don’t want no part of this sh*t.
Dewey Cox: You’re smoking *reefers*?
Sam: Yeah, ‘course we are; can’t you smell it?
Dewey Cox: No, Sam. I can’t.
Reefer Girl: Come on, Dewey! Join the party!
[takes a hit off a joint]
Sam: No, Dewey, you don’t want this. Get outta here!
Dewey Cox: You know what, I don’t want no hangover. I can’t get no hangover.
Sam: It doesn’t give you a hangover!
Dewey Cox: Wha-I get addicted to it or something?
Sam: It’s not habit-forming!
Dewey Cox: Oh, okay… well, I don’t know… I don’t want to overdose on it.
Sam: You can’t OD on it!
Dewey Cox: It’s not gonna make me wanna have sex, is it?
Sam: It makes sex even better!
Dewey Cox: Sounds kind of expensive.
Sam: It’s the cheapest drug there is.
Dewey Cox: [at a loss and out of excuses] Hmm.
Sam: You don’t want it!
Dewey Cox: I think I kinda want it.
Sam: Okay, but just this once. Come on in.

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So Mick, continuing from yesterday, how can dispute facts about something when you didnt even know what it was…Omnious Bill ring a bell

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“Employers can still discriminate against people who engage in a legal activity. Like smoking. Whether its cigarettes or pot.”

Bingo – employers will just add a box on the application – do you smoke pot? – all yeses will be discarded and those found to be smokers after the fact will get fired for lying on their applications…………….

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jm

I don’t make those thing on my own. I also don’t complain about things I’m not willing to do myself.

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mark t

You are the one who dismissed the true facts from the link I provided. Those are proven facts from actual spending accorded to the previous administration. Hey, believe what you want if it makes you feel good.

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Border’s – you’ve obviously never complained about anything then.

you can think about that one for a while. let’s catch up in an hour.

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HD, producing moonshie or permits? I never took you for a “revenuer”

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Mick, I didnt say anything about the previous administation..I realize he put us in debt…But while I can own up to that maybe you should own up to this president doing much of the same.in other words, not helping, only hurting!

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“I’m from New York, we don’t “spit” on the other team’s fans”

No, just wives of other teams players that happen to be involved in next years free agent market – not a wise move………….

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sfd – “dirt doesn’t vote.” thanks. I’m aware. I was talking about Geography, if you read the whole series….

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“md – Are you a real M.D.?”

Let’s just say I had to keep up with some continuing education requirements on the subject – once upon a time………..and I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express…………..

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mark t

I guess thats why california is looking toward the weed for some badly needed revenue. Maybe it will start a revolution, the federal gov’t will take its cue and open up the whole US for consumption – all in the name of debt reduction. A deficit reduction lottery plus weed that is sold, bought, regulated and taxed but kept away from the children…because thats an infomnia..

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Border’s – never called customer service eh? Never taken a car to a dealer to get something fixed instead of just fixing it yourself? Never moaned about an annoying neighbor. Border’s, I’m sorry, your statements ring so hollow, they might just cause this blog to fall over at any moment.

“Border’s r uS” is stinkin up the blog.

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Lest we forget, anything that reduces the market for drug gangs in Mexico oughta be welcomed on both sides of that border.

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md

That link about weed and dementia wasn’t exactly a slam dunk; more of a it might…

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Mick, If the people of Cali. vote on it, then so be it, but like I said in my earlier post, they need to look at the real problem as to why Cali is broke…Corrupt union pensions

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For those that partake and are now understanding that it has been linked to dementia – no need to worry………probably already too late……………..

Kind of like the cigarette commercial with the guy in the wheelchair on oxygen…..a bit late for him.

I’ve spent a good deal of time with the geriatrics of society, and to a man/woman, many say “if they knew then what they know now”………….but, those now don’t yet know it.

Their turn is coming……..just another of life’s cycles…

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There are close to 100 different diseases associated with the clinical symptoms of dementia. “While the causes of some are known (e.g., traumatic injury, stroke, brain tumors, infection, vitamin deficiencies, and nervous system toxicity from substances such as alcohol, cocaine, opiates, marijuana, inhalants, and heavy metals)”

“Known” causes…………………………………

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More reasons why CA is broke

California has the 3rd highest state income tax in the nation: 9.55% tax bracket at $47,055 and 10.55% at $1,000,000 – Tax Foundation 2010 State Business Tax Climate Table 2
California has the highest state sales tax rate in the nation by far at 8.25%. Indiana is next highest at 7%. Table 15

California corporate income tax rate is 17th worst in the nation with a rate of 8.84%. – However, of the non graduated states, only Pennsylvania at 9.99%, Rhode Island at 9.0%, and the District of Columbia at 9.98% are higher. One size fits all (and a very high one at that) is exceptionally hard on small businesses. Table 8 and Table 2

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/01/why-is-ca...

California ranks 13th best in property taxes. However proposition 13 causes massive distortions for new buyers. Table 2

California has the fourth highest capital gains tax 9.55%. – Capital Gains Tax Rates By State

California has the highest gasoline tax as of January 2010, averaging 65 cents/gallon. The national average is 47.4% – API Motor Fuel Taxes

California has one of the highest state vehicle license car taxes, 1.15% per year on value of vehicle, up from 0.65% in 2008. [expired link]

So where’s the money going?

1 in 5 in LA County receiving public aid, nearly 2.2 million people as of February 2009. 20% in Los Angeles County receive public aid

California has 12% of the nation’s population, but 36% of the country’s TANF (“Temporary” Assistance for Needy Families) welfare recipients – more than the next 8 states combined. Unlike other states, this “temporary” assistance becomes much more permanent in CA. July, 2009 California has more recipients in key welfare category than next eight states combined.

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md…I told you he still wouldnt believe you…silliy liberals

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md

I’d rather look at some real life example like……willie nelson, age 78 smokes heavily every day of his life and can still sell out concerts and talk sense….

mark t
All i am saying….is..give peace a chance..

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Border’s – I’m aware I don’t have much to complain about. And the banter here isn’t complaining. If I was complaining, I’d be calling the office of my Representative or Senator. Which I do on occasion. Because that’s their job, in part, to represent us (the other part being to use good judgment when what their constituents want is contrary to the national interest). And they can do the first part better if they know what voters want. I’m trying to be vocal moderate. There aren’t enough of them.

Politics in a democracy, the best substitute for war ever invented, is the sport of complaining. Really. Ever since the nanny state came into being.

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**Im at a loss for words…**

Well as del would say, “bagged another one today”.

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ok, I won’t say you’re complaining about anything. Enjoyed the conversation but I’ve got to go.

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Mick,

And George Burns smoked cigars and drank every day into his 90’s……….go for it.

But, for every one of those, the nursing homes are full of folks that can barely breath, many suffering from smoking related emphysema. I’ve watched smokers in my family live a terrible existence due to smoking – sucks to have to rest when tieing ones shoes or going from the bedroom to the kitchen……..with oxygen bottles readily available. Ask them if it was all worth it.

I have yet to find one that said it was………kind of like the ones that retire and say I wish I’d spent more time with the family…….have yet to hear one say they regret not spending more time at work.

Old folks are a vast source of information……we just need to take the time to listen to it….

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Well, Jay, they’s only one thing for us to do now. And that’s to invade Yemen. Them terrorists has got it in for us! I say let’s load and go get ‘em rot now!

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jm seems spot on J! Stupider people vote for the dems, that’s a given.

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“U obviously never smoked pot and drove because it actually makes driving much easier.”

You must be buying the weak stuff……….no way one can drive with the good stuff…..you will know it when you get it….won’t be able to get off the couch.

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Prohibition is an attack on liberty….Legalize it! No, it should not be taxed either, but it will be.

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The soberest countries in the world are also the most violent. Legalize it.

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Why stop at pot? If you’re going to legalize one illegal drug, do it for all. It’s discrimination!

Then maybe all the drug addicts (and the traffickers who are “just trying to make a living”) will move there.

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Randalph, left you a message yesterday stating that your claim that the United States of America is NOT a democracy is fallacious.

And asked for you to explain that assertion.

Would you do so now?

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You must be buying the weak stuff……….no way one can drive with the good stuff…..you will know it when you get it….won’t be able to get off the couch.

I think that is old information.

My understanding from some people in Cali is that now you can buy various types, one to get up, another to go down.

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AM Vet simply..we are a Republic. We choose people to vote for us.

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Randy – AmVet. I think you’re both right.

Allotting for the fact that Wikipedia is not the authority on all matters, this answer strikes me as just fine:

“The United States is the world’s oldest surviving federation. It is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC and REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY, “in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law.”"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Government_and_elections

New discussion?

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Let’s prohibit fat-asses….They too are dangerous to themselves and others, plus they drive up health costs.

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md

I think you are right about that and its probably why there is a strain known as kryptonite or crippy. Why would anyone want to drive?

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It’s not what enters a person that defiles them, it’s what comes out of a person that defiles them.

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AMVET: Do you realize that states do not have to hold elections for President, and popular votes in not way influence the presidential election?

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lunch, brb…

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“My understanding from some people in Cali is that now you can buy various types, one to get up, another to go down.”

They sell near beer too, but not as much as the real stuff……………………

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And since it’s Friday and all….here’s a good weed smoking tune:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb-Nacm-pKc

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

:O

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No, jm we are not both correct.

Randalph asserts that we are NOT a democracy. This is fallacious, as you just noted.

And Biden and Obama are not fools (at least on this matter!) as he stated last night…

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Bosch
October 29th, 2010
2:37 pm

No, no, no. Soros is “left”. Don’t you watch Fox News?

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Bosch
October 29th, 2010
2:42 pm

Without a doubt!

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O.T…anyone who may have interest several suspect packages originating from Yemen have been shipped via UPS to various locations in the U.S., U.K. and one turned up in Dubai. It’s believed that this may be an A.Q. dry run probe and that they may be preparing multiple mail bomb attacks.

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“Depends on ones definition of “addiction”. ”

I think the classically accepted definition is still: using increasing amounts, at decreasing intervals

Anything else is labeled a “dependency”

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AmVet – I think you guys are splitting hairs. A republic has a constitution and representatives of the people (although strictly speaking it doesn’t say how they’re chosen), and a democracy just has people voting. We’re a blend. A “representative democratic republic”.

Whatever. If there are hairs that need splitting on this, I don’t think we’re qualified to do so. Unless you guys have doctorates in philosophy, government, or constitutional law.

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“I’m with you, pat. Mr. and Mrs. Fatazz America are far more dangerous to the health of our society than pot smokers.”

Wow. Me. deegee. and pat. all in agreement. Tell the devil to get ready for the snowballs.

That agreement, methinks, melts away when we start discussing what should be done to address the problem of Mr. and Mrs. Fatass America.

Still, & back to the topic–I have to wonder why progress on legalization has been so glacial given the rather unique ideological unanimity it seems to engender.

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del

I saw that too…hope fedex and ups have the good sense to screen anything coming from yemen to the gills.

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This is turning into a high quality discussion.

Bosch: “I’m not getting into a pissing contest of what pot does to you, but if you smoke and then drive, you’re f*cked up.”

pat: “Here in America we love drugs, we got drugs for everything…D*ck don’t work? take a drug, got toe nail fungus? take a drug”

Please continue. Sorry for the interruption.

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“I have to wonder why progress on legalization has been so glacial given the rather unique ideological unanimity it seems to engender.”

Oh stands, you know the answer: moolah.

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“But one should be allowed to injest canibas.”

personally, I have no problem with what anyone wants to do in their own home. Want to take the chance of having dementia at a later date – fine by me, but how about buying some long term care insurance to go with it so the taxpayers don’t have to carry your azz down the road.

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md
October 29th, 2010
2:55 pm

Would “weed addiction” be a pre-existing condition under Obamacare?

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I dont know about the rest of you guys, but if CA legalizes pot, I am gonna sell whatever I have left and buy stock in Nacho Cheese Flavored Doritos….

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leg

Wasn’t talking about the drivers who are on adrenaline speed to make their deadlines, I was referring to cargo jet security.

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“Bosch, if you really knew me, you’d like me.”

pat, I’m sure that could be said for many or most here.

Did you say you like Birkenstocks once?

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pat – Bosch doesn’t like economic freedom…. just social freedom. As if they’re fundamentally different. But I digress…

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“What you injest is not the business of the governement or anybody else for that matter.”

And that is where you make your mistake, if one was doing it and minding their own business – fine. It is when folks do it and involve others where it becomes a problem.

i.e MADD

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Randalph on the Right
October 29th, 2010
2:58 pm

I don’t know about Barry, but I have to disagree about Joe. After all, “when the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed. He said, “look, here’s what happened.”". Ummm, staying on topic, reckon Joe was stoned?

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“Would “weed addiction” be a pre-existing condition under Obamacare?”

That crowd will more than likely be covered regardless………….

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Did Barry smoke? Or just snort?

This must be a presidential pre-requisite nowadays. If you don’t do drugs, you can’t be President. Has a better predictive accuracy than that passe “gotta be a southern governor to be president” thing.

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Oh stands, you know the answer: moolah.

Oh, sure, that’s the short answer, but it doesn’t explain why it’s taken this long. Put another way, NORML’s been around for forty years. Is it really going to take another 40? really?

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“When stoned, I thought EVERYTHING tasted like Cheese Flavored Doritos.”

The only time when one can eat any combination of food and it all tastes great………may as well not have any flavor.

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“’Ive known a lot of people older than me who smoke (and some still do) weed and have yet to know or hear of any coming down with dementia that was linked to weed.”

But how do they know?

Sorry, Mick, just had to throw that in.

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Bosch

They might not know it but I do…I think….what were you saying?

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Bosch
October 29th, 2010
3:08 pm

Watch it, Bosch. I think my “acidic commentary” has Mick on edge.

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I’m looking forward to some music….means it’s quittin’ time…

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The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

October 29th, 2010
2:55 pm
Thank God We Escaped!
October 29th, 2010
2:53 pm

Here’s the poster child for why we maaaaaaay not want to legalize weed here in Georgia

LOL. Jawja??? It is a cesspit of goobers, illegals, and a large poor resentful racial minority… Gooberstan will never legalize pot, and even if they did LOL it would be most unacceptable as a place to visit or live.

Part of the problem is the Goobers hijacked America with their sociopathic desires to order people around, esp. when it comes to pot or gay marriage.

Just sad, sick, depraved Bible-thumping losers, and those who must endure due to money, issues, and family or job obligations.

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“We are a Democratic Republic. “Democratic” is the brand (think Ford) and Republic is the model (think pick-up truck)”

Actually, Doggone, wouldn’t the model be, like, F-150?

Just saying.

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Speaking of pot and California, and baseball and stuff, did anybody see this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/29/giants-fans-sing-along-to_n_775893.html

Dont’ worry wingnuts, it has nothing to do with politics.

I’m not a baseball fan, I didn’t even know who was in the World Series until today, but this was cool.

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“(several of mine were conceived using various forms of control, so I can vouch for the small percent on the side of the box).”

Same here. I thought we were the 1% — now I’ve met the other!

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md
**If you want to be that one,**

Your concern for me is touching, let’s just say I’m more concerned with my geneology about those type of things and having two family members that lived to 100 and were still pretty sharp, is encouraging.

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“Actually, Doggone, wouldn’t the model be, like, F-150?”

Well, when I fill out a ID form at a hotel, it say “make and model” of my vehicle. They want “Ford Van” not “Ford E250″ – I asked them to be sure.

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Bosch 3:04 – apparently I have too much to say for one person. Sorry, I have no direct quotes saying you don’t believe in “economic freedom.” There are these however.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/09/29/cbo-permanent-tax-cuts-bad-for-economy/comment-page-7/#comment-408649

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/10/05/the-ethics-of-letting-someones-home-burn-down/comment-page-2/#comment-412001

But I’ll confess I couldn’t find as much anti-business dribble as comes out of a lot of people on this board.

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Thank God We Escaped!
October 29th, 2010
3:21 pm

I don’t. I asked you to enlighten me. That’s the best retort you have in your arsenal? Thank God You Escaped!

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I wonder if jay will incorporate this purple haze weed topic into tonites jam?

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Thank God We Escaped!
October 29th, 2010
3:24 pm

I implied nothing. Didn’t mean to step your toes.

Thank God You Escaped. We in Georgia are much better off.

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“let’s just say I’m more concerned with my geneology about those type of things and having two family members that lived to 100 and were still pretty sharp, is encouraging.”

maybe….maybe not……….the percentages may be that 2 in your family will live long lives……so in that case, no more will live that long………

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Bosch – apparently this doesn’t qualify as a retraction:

“But I’ll confess I couldn’t find as much anti-business dribble as comes out of a lot of people on this board.”

But let’s get to the brass tax. Do you think businesses are, on balance, good or bad? Simple question, simple answer.

And then we can drop it.

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And Bosch – I don’t have time to spend hours searching in the archives. 60 seconds yes. Hours, no. So I’m punting.

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Get all the seniors high and then the Republicans could cut their Medicare and Social Security at least in half and they wouldn’t even care.

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md
October 29th, 2010
3:30 pm

Those vehicles sound interesting. Do you have the VIN number so I can check their history?

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We’re a very litigious society. I’d predict, but what’s the point

can’t get much money out of a pot smoker…not a real motivated bunch, they

State’s creep.

Alrighty din!

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“I know what they will tell me:”

Nice try, Doggone, nice try.

Now, let’s drop this pettiness, shall we. It’s Friday.

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Bosch 3:32 – works for me. I would agree it’s a dumb question. But for some folks around here, its a complicated question, or the answer is “no.”

So in this madhouse, it’s not such a crazy question.

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“So in this madhouse, it’s not such a crazy question.”

So true, jm, so true.

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Now, Goobs, i have smoked pot on 4 continents… legally in Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, and illegally (mainly because of the US war on drugs) in Thailand. No problem. Also each has gay marriage, yet each is well-known for being a more desirable (LOL) destination than Dicksie and most of the US. So do not freak out and call for a holy war because more progressive US states want to get with the program.

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Burned one w/friends driving down Burnside yesterday – killer – and managed to not wreck or fall asleep. Alcohol at that level would have been impossible to handle driving.

Maybe should have swung into the Cannabis Cafe – PDX has a couple – but too busy getting ready to travel to another country where i hope to smoke some of their excellent product.

Now, lunch is over. Gotta go burn one!

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“I would pick a stoned driver over a stoned driver any day of the week.”

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The CA government should designate healthy munchie food, we don’t want to exacerbate the obesity problem.

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Ever wonder why the happiest people on the planet – kids – don’t need stimulants??

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IF P-19 fails it will be due to Ignorance,Fear and/or Greed.

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md
Do you know that it is almost universally true that children will spin around and laugh (be happy) about their altered state of mind due to what adults would call dizziness.
Yes kids may be happy but this is likely due to no fear, no family worries, no bills, no job requirements, etc. You know, the things adults need to deal with on a day to day basis.

But maybe you right. I’ll quit my job, move back in with my parents and act like a 3 year old. I should be plenty happy.

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More power to them! At least the first thing they want to do after lighting up is not get behind the wheel of a car like so many alcoholics do. Soros is saying what a lot of us have been for decades. Maybe his million bucks will get the right people’s attention.

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One important point… when talking about ramifications such as social addiction, just ponder that Goobers are Goobers, and a consciousness-enhancing substance cannot transcend that condition.

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“Yes kids may be happy but this is likely due to no fear, no family worries, no bills, no job requirements, etc. You know, the things adults need to deal with on a day to day basis.”

Haven’t read this thread, but does ^^^ that comment come from an adult who’s unable to cope with LIFE? An adult who needs someone or something (government) to compensate for their shortcomings/failures?

Pitiful, just PI-TI-FUL!!!!!

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Legalize It, Tax It, & Move on! Show your support for MMj! http://www.justlegalizeit.com

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While it’s fun and even appropriate to question the motivational level of the stoner vote, Prop. 19 has shown us that it’s not a single voting bloc anyway. Those who have a vested self-interest in medical marijuana — be it medical, political or purely financial — are among Prop. 19’s loudest critics, and like most campaigns the rhetoric has been heated. Adding to the angst is the regulatory backlash against Prop. 215 through dispensary and cultivation bans, a good preview of the legal challenges that Prop. 19 would face should it pass.

But Prop. 215 also reminds us that voters can force the hand of politicians and bureaucrats, who have made clear they lack the gumption to change our restrictive cannabis laws or respect the ones we have on the books. Prop. 19 is such an initiative, forcing cops and local officials to reboot their outdated and dangerous ideas about cannabis. Prop. 19 doesn’t solve all the problems, but it allows us to start working on them in earnest — unlike prohibition. And for progressive cities and counties, it can raise a few tax dollars in the process through retail sales, and that experience will bear fruit statewide somewhere down the road. After all, you can’t begin to attack illegal sales until legal sales channels exist to compete.

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While bullets fly into El Paso and bodies pile up in the streets of Juarez, and thugs with gold-plated AK-47s and albino tiger pens are beheading federal officials and dissolving their torsos in vats of acid, here are some facts concerning the peaceful situation in Holland. –Please save a copy and use it as a reference when debating prohibitionists who claim the exact opposite concerning reality as presented here below:

Cannabis-coffee-shops are not only restricted to the Capital of Holland, Amsterdam. They can be found in more than 50 cities and towns across the country. At present, only the retail sale of five grams is tolerated, so production remains criminalized. The mayors of a majority of the cities with coffeeshops have long urged the national government to also decriminalize the supply side.

A poll taken earlier this year indicated that some 50% of the Dutch population thinks cannabis should be fully legalized while only 25% wanted a complete ban. Even though 62% of the voters said they had never taken cannabis. An earlier poll also indicated 80% opposing coffee shop closures.

It is true that the number of coffee shops has fallen from its peak of around 2,500 throughout the country to around 700 now. The problems, if any, concern mostly marijuana-tourists and are largely confined to cities and small towns near the borders with Germany and Belgium. These problems, mostly involve traffic jams, and are the result of cannabis prohibition in neighboring countries. Public nuisance problems with the coffee shops are minimal when compared with bars, as is demonstrated by the rarity of calls for the police for problems at coffee shops.

While it is true that lifetime and past-month use rates did increase back in the seventies and eighties, the critics shamefully fail to report that there were comparable and larger increases in cannabis use in most, if not all, neighboring countries which continued complete prohibition.

According to the World Health Organization only 19.8 percent of the Dutch have used marijuana, less than half the U.S. figure.
In Holland 9.7% of young adults (aged 15 to 24) consume soft drugs once a month, comparable to the level in Italy (10.9%) and Germany (9.9%) and less than in the UK (15.8%) and Spain (16.4%). Few transcend to becoming problem drug users (0.44%), well below the average (0.52%) of the compared countries.

The WHO survey of 17 countries finds that the United States has the highest usage rates for nearly all illegal substances.

In the U.S. 42.4 percent admitted having used marijuana. The only other nation that came close was New Zealand, another bastion of get-tough policies, at 41.9 percent. No one else was even close. The results for cocaine use were similar, with the U.S. again leading the world by a large margin.

Even more striking is what the researchers found when they asked young adults when they had started using marijuana. Again, the U.S. led the world, with 20.2 percent trying marijuana by age 15. No other country was even close, and in Holland, just 7 percent used marijuana by 15 — roughly one-third of the U.S. figure.

In 1998, the US Drug Czar General Barry McCaffrey claimed that the U.S. had less than half the murder rate of the Netherlands. That’s drugs, he explained. The Dutch Central Bureau for Statistics immediately issued a special press release explaining that the actual Dutch murder rate is 1.8 per 100,000 people, or less than one-quarter the U.S. murder rate.

Here’s a very recent article by a psychiatrist from Amsterdam, exposing Drug Czar misinformation. Just put the following sentence in GOOGLE: “Amsterdam Psychiatrist Blasts US Drug Czars for Distortions, Fear-Mongering”

Now let’s look at a comparative analysis of the levels of cannabis use in two cities: Amsterdam and San Francisco, which was published in the American Journal of Public Health May 2004,

The San Francisco prevalence survey showed that 39.2% of the population had used cannabis. This is 3 times the prevalence found in the Amsterdam sample

Source: Craig Reinarman, Peter D.A. Cohen and Hendrien L. Kaal, The Limited Relevance of Drug Policy.

Moreover, 51% of people who had smoked cannabis in San Francisco reported that they were offered heroin, cocaine or amphetamine the last time they purchased cannabis. In contrast, only 15% of Amsterdam residents who had ingested marijuana reported the same conditions. Prohibition is the ‘Gateway Policy’ that forces cannabis seekers to buy from criminals who gladly expose them to harder drugs.

The indicators of death, disease and corruption are even much better in the Netherlands than in Sweden for instance, a country praised by UNODC for its so called successful drug policy.

Check out YouTube and watch Antonio Maria Costa doing his level best to avoid discussing the success of Dutch drug policy.

The Netherlands also provides heroin on prescription under tight regulation to about 1500 long-term heroin addicts for whom methadone maintenance treatment has failed.

The Dutch justice ministry announced, last year, the closure of eight prisons and cut 1,200 jobs in the prison system. A decline in crime has left many cells empty. There’s simply not enough criminals.

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