Political bloodlust a burden for post-election GOP
With power comes responsibility, and also danger. Eager as they are to reclaim control of the House and possibly the Senate, Republicans in Washington are also quite aware that they face a problem:
How do they appease the political bloodlust they’ve created and fed upon within the GOP base without alienating the more moderate center in the process? And if forced to choose between the two, which way will they turn?
To some degree, this is a uniquely modern problem. In the old days, politicians could feed red meat to the campaign crowds back home, while quietly finding ways to compromise in Washington. But with the rise of ideological enforcers in the media and blogosphere, that has become a much more difficult trick to pull off.
Just ask U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif.
Last week, in a Wall Street Journal story headlined “GOP House leaders seek to avoid past mistakes,” Issa was quoted to the effect that the House ought to at least try to find areas of agreement with the Obama administration.
“It’s pretty clear the American people expect us to use the existing gridlock to create compromise and advance their agenda. They want us to come together [with the administration] after we agree to disagree.”
“Compromise?” Did he really say “compromise?”
For that sin, Issa was summoned by the pope and forced to publicly recant his heresy. The outrage on the right was so intense that Issa was forced to call into the Rush Limbaugh show that very day to be scared straight by The Mighty One:
“The people that are going to secure the Republican victory look at Barack Obama as somebody who’s destroying their country. Not somebody to be compromised with, somebody who needs to be stopped. They know that you’re not going to have the ability to get him to agree with your legislation. You’re not going to be able to override his vetoes. But the idea that you’re gonna end up working with him is anathema. People want this man stopped.”
“… people don’t care about how the House runs. They don’t care about open debate. They care about stopping Obama and the Democrats! They care about saving the country! They don’t care if Obama goes to jail! They don’t care if Axelrod goes to jail. They want them stopped. They want them to have no power.”
Suitably chastened, Issa promised there would be no compromise of Republican values, and went on to call Obama “one of the most corrupt presidents in modern times.”
“I head the (House Oversight) committee that’s all about making sure that the administration obeys the law, that waste, fraud, and abuse not be tolerated, which obviously is not the case now, but that’s the change that’s going to happen from my position. I’m looking forward to it,” he told Limbaugh.
Placated, The Mighty One dismissed Issa and sent him on his way.
However, in a TV interview a few days later, Bloomberg’s Al Hunt asked Issa about that interview. It was pretty funny, in a sad sort of way:
HUNT: OK. You said Barack Obama is, quote, “one of the most corrupt presidents in modern times.” On corruption –
ISSA: My goodness, you’re listening to Rush Limbaugh.
HUNT: Yes, I am. On corruption, which presidents does he rank with? And what are his most corrupt acts?
ISSA: First of all, when you look at Sestak and Romanoff, this attempt to clear the primary, that’s an example where he’s not the most corrupt. It appears as though presidents have been doing this, even though it’s illegal, for a long time.
HUNT: Right. But where is he the most corrupt?
ISSA: I think the process that we’re dealing with, where insourcing, for example — and this is right on my committee — we have every day in the defense and non-defense community, executives of the government tapping people on the shoulder saying, “You know, your contract’s not going to be renewed. We’re going to insource that. You should take this job now for a pay raise.”
We’ve had example after example. Yes, we plan on investigating it. I want the American people to get products and services at the lowest possible price. I don’t want to determine that it should be in-house or out-of-house.
HUNT: But does that rank with Watergate and Teapot Dome as one of the most corrupt presidents in modern times?
ISSA: Well, that’s the question, is, what’s modern times? Certainly, you’re right. Teapot Dome’s a good example. Look, Andrew Jackson was the most corrupt president probably –
HUNT: Do you think Obama’s more corrupt than any president that you’ve known in the last 20 years?
ISSA: He certainly is playing faster and looser with the rules with very little justification than George W. Bush did. George W. Bush played fast and loose with the rules after 9/11 trying to make us safe. He did what he thought he had to do, and he did it with pretty — a lot of bravado.
It’s very different when you just simply say, “We’re going to insource things,” and all of your government begins insourcing without legitimate justification. The EPA acting without obeying its own rules, there’s a number of parts of government that have been working quickly –
HUNT: But do you still think he’s one of the most corrupt presidents –
(CROSSTALK)
ISSA: I think he has failed to administer his — to oversee his administration in any kind of a meaningful way. Vice President Biden was supposed to be the great overseer of stimulus money.
HUNT: Right.
ISSA: And he was supposed to do all this oversight. Chairman Towns — and I checked with him recently — and I, neither one of us have had a meeting with the vice president, and we’re the House committee of jurisdiction.
The next two years are going to be fascinating, in the same way that watching a car wreck is fascinating.
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Jimmy62
October 28th, 2010
8:20 am
Or in the same way as watching the Obama administration crash and burn (predicted by so many of us) over the last two years.
Peadawg
October 28th, 2010
8:20 am
“The next two years are going to be fascinating, in the same way that watching a car wreck is fascinating.”
Y’all have had the house and senate since 2006 and haven’t done any good. It’s our turn again to give it a try.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
8:22 am
“The next two years are going to be fascinating, in the same way that watching a car wreck is fascinating.”
meh – I had enough of “fascinating” when Gingrich et al ran the joint. what I’d like now is for these guys to act like GROWN-UPS and actually earn the salaries we pay them.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
8:23 am
“It’s our turn again to give it a try.”
and, prior to that, you had it from 1995-2006 (Dems didn’t take control until 2007) … between 2000 and 2007, I just la-la-LOVED all that “fiscal conservatism” you preached
Jay
October 28th, 2010
8:24 am
USnUK, I believe that what we’re about to see will make Gingrich look as statesmanlike as Daniel Webster and Henry Clay.
Peadawg
October 28th, 2010
8:24 am
“I’d like now is for these guys to act like GROWN-UPS and actually earn the salaries we pay them.”
Like Pelosi who doesn’t know how to share and says “it’s my way or the highway” to everything the GOP suggests?
stands for decibels
October 28th, 2010
8:25 am
George W. Bush played fast and loose with the rules after 9/11 trying to make us safe.
It’s almost poetic, isn’t it?
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
8:26 am
Jay – I hear ya!
Peadawg – “Like Pelosi who doesn’t know how to share and says “it’s my way or the highway” to everything the GOP suggests?”
repeat it all you like – that doesn’t make it true. The House Dems have compromised with the GOP on all major bills …
Call it like it is
October 28th, 2010
8:27 am
Nothing good is going to happen here. You have a President who’s motto is it’s my way or the highway, and you will have a congress that will fight him tooth and nail on everything. I really don’t see anything good coming about anytime soon. Anybody have Sam Nunn’s number?
RGB
October 28th, 2010
8:28 am
I wouldn’t equate wanting to save the United States from collapse with bloodlust.
It’s simple: we want performance from our government. Performance doesn’t translate into more government, more services, more spending, and more debt. Give us less of all of the above, get out of the way of innovators and entrepreneurs–and let this country recover.
It’s not time to compromise with Democrats, it’s time to defeat them.
To put it in terms Obama may understand: “Get out of the car, stay in the ditch, and enjoy the view from below as we move the vehicle back on the road of opportunity.”
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
8:28 am
“You have a President who’s motto is it’s my way or the highway”
sorry … I guess he should have said “I have a man date” and that would have been acceptable …
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 28th, 2010
8:29 am
JB, have to admit, didn’t get much beyond the first fallacious sentence. the correct mantra is; “with freedom comes responsibility.” to only “responsibility” of the those in power is to consolidate and excercise power – that’s why it’s called “power” and not “weakness”. ergo, those in danger are and always will be the rest of us. and truth be told, I don’t know that politicians of either party ever have “power” – they simple sell whatever power is connected with being a US citizen.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
October 28th, 2010
8:30 am
There is hope for the world, pray for a cure. Turns out that leftism is a genetic defect. Now we only need to develop a therapy. http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/weird/Scientists-May-Have-IDd-Liberal-Gene-105917218.html
Mick
October 28th, 2010
8:30 am
Rush limbaugh is the anti-pope and poster child for post high school education perspectives. Time is not on his side…
Belinda
October 28th, 2010
8:30 am
Hehe.
barking frog
October 28th, 2010
8:30 am
The Obama administration will begin to look more
like the Clinton administration..but that’s a good thing..
however I don’t think Michelle will allow interns the
same access to the President…
Keep up the good fight!
October 28th, 2010
8:30 am
I with you USinUK. Unfortunately, its going to be 2 more years of politics and to heck with the needs of the country. The days of reaching across the aisle have been put to death by the Party of No. They wont even risk it. And yet the supporters of the Party of No believe that reaching across the aisle means doing it their way only.
Keep up the good fight!
October 28th, 2010
8:31 am
Senator Franken has Rush pegged correctly many many years ago.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
8:34 am
Keep up the good fight – 8:30 – well said
@@
October 28th, 2010
8:34 am
jay, early on the GOP heard the people pleading with President Obama. What were they asking? They were simply asking him to slow down. The GOP heard the people and echoed their plea. In that plea, what I was hearing was “Let’s talk.”
The Democrats AND President Obama turned a deaf ear to the people.
Is it any wonder the call going out is to “STOP” the Democrats. I think not.
The American people will not stand for being discounted.
The majority of us were willing to give this president his moment in the sun in hopes that he would shine. He hasn’t.
The sun is now setting on Democrats. It’ll rise on a new day…..Nov. 3rd. He’ll then be given another chance. What will he do with the next one?
It remains to be seen. He is no longer looking into the faces of hopeful Americans, he is looking into the faces of skeptical Americans.
He did it to himself.
Obama's
October 28th, 2010
8:35 am
Mankind is corrupt. Why should Obama be any different. The TeaPot Dome scandal? Is that where the Tea Party got it’s name?
Bush is the most corrupt individual of all time, prez or no prez. Cheney 2.
Everyone has forgotten Iraq and Afghanistan like they dint happen. America’s 14 second attention span.
We’ll get what we deserve: two years of pillage and plunder of any dough that’s out there by the GOP.
John K
October 28th, 2010
8:36 am
So Limbaugh is going to be the shadow congressman, keeping all the GOP minions in line. Love it. Any hint at compromise and they’ll have to call in to his show and apologize for falling off the straight and narrow.
Great way to insure Obama’s reelection. Love how conservatives are so anti-knowledge they don’t even know what happened after their 1994 sweep.
jt
October 28th, 2010
8:37 am
Issa should have said the most MORALLY corrupt president of all times. That is what Marxism is,……….corruption.
Incidentally, in 1794, thanks to Washington politicians and corrupt lawyers, over 70 MILLION acres of land were sold to American citizens in presentday Greene and Washington counties of Georgia.
The problem was, there was only about 700 thousand acres of actual land.
Kinda like government union pension plans or SS.
The more things change, the more they remain the same.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
October 28th, 2010
8:38 am
Hope you all saw the great essay by Shelby Steele this morning, online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304173704575578363243019000.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
Pennsylvanian
October 28th, 2010
8:40 am
I guess he should have said “I have a man date” and that would have been acceptable …
President Feckless is queer? Bi? Michele better keep the female and the male interns under close check?
Marie
October 28th, 2010
8:40 am
Jay can you please explain to your dear readers how the President is now promising that he will work with the Republicans if they indeed do gain one or both houses of Congress? From everything I have read or heard he is in every way still bent on having his agenda passed. You know compromise is a two way street, however, members of the MSM only applaud McCain, Graham, Brown, etc., who are willing to agree with the Democrats. However, when Dems like Jim Marshall, Joe Lieberman or Zell Miller agree with Republicans then they are traitors.
Sorry as a conservative we owe the moderates in the Republican party NOTHING. Appeasers like Powell, McCain, Dole, etc., are losers and you know it. And since you know their appeasement will cause us elections in the future I can understand your desire to see the Republicans moderate to their ill-fated center. And I for one hope that does not happen — conservatism is the way to go!!!!
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 28th, 2010
8:40 am
Ragnar, I don’t have time to read the article, but does it suggest that being liberal is a “mutation” or “defect”? maybe “leftism” is not a disease (like say, homosexuality). perhaps it is (hold on) a byproduct of evolution; or the ongoing development and adaptation of the homo sapien species. and for the record, and by record, I mean the Bible (New Testament), I think the Gospels suggest maybe there is something to the idea of “intelligent design” as it relates to compassion and altruistism being the “norm” and the “kill or be killed” and “welcome to the jungle” ethos of the U.S/Globalist version of faux capitalism (plutocracy) is the disease/mutation, which threatens us as a species.
retired early
October 28th, 2010
8:41 am
Jay
You are forgetting the GOP mantra ” it’s the Democrats fault” whether they were in charge at the time or not. They have Obama to blame for at least 2 more years. Hell, it was the Dems fault during “W”’s 8 years, now, who would have guessed. So, what will change ?
Ramzad
October 28th, 2010
8:42 am
This is the kind of demagoguery that is Republican claim to fame. The American electorate with its second rate high school education can not seem to seperate this Issa, Limbaugh and Tea Party garbage from the facts of the true state
of the Nation’s economic and social conditions. It is people like these that America is depending on the save it. May God save our souls.
TnGelding
October 28th, 2010
8:43 am
Fascinating? What about tragic? We simply can’t give these clowns power back. They don’t even deserve to be on the bus. The Senate should remain the firewall, no matter what.
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
8:44 am
Former Bush secretary “Obama’s approval will rise 15 points in 6 months if the R’s take the house”
It’s easy to whine when you don’t have any responsibility. None of the R’s have been willing to give details on what they would do other than stop Obama. There’s a reason for that. Gonna be an interesting 2 years.
Mick
October 28th, 2010
8:45 am
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With all due respect, rush declared from day one that he hoped obama fails and his minions dutifully complied. Think about that. I didn’t care for bush but after 911 I gave him my support and he trashed it by invading iraq. After the biggest financial disaster since the great depression, obama has been given 0.0 cooperation and we know this because that was doofus mcconnells strategy all along – he and his party are a shameful disgrace..
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
8:45 am
“President Feckless is queer?”
don’t let Laura hear you say that … since it was her man who said it.
TaxPayer
October 28th, 2010
8:47 am
So, did Issa EVER justify his lie about Obama being the most corrupt president… Typical Republican.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
8:50 am
Don’t Forget – “None of the R’s have been willing to give details on what they would do other than stop Obama.”
you’re forgetting that poop-in-the-punchbowl that was the Pledge to America:
The drafters of the successful two-page 1994 GOP Contract with America succinctly addressed several concerns that Americans of both party shared without delving deeply into partisan politics or divisive viewpoints. The document challenged the structure of Congress and the law-making process while declaring a need for specific laws at least some of which had bipartisan support.
The pledge, by contrast, reads as demagoguery; a reader without an understanding of how the U.S. political system works might conclude there wasn’t a single Republican in the Congress in the past eight years. The pledge is written in a hostile us-vs.-them tone. It pejoratively describes national health legislation enacted by the last Congress as “Obama’s takeover of health care” and implicitly disclaims Republican responsibility for everything from tax policy to unemployment rates.
Not only does the Pledge to America run on demagoguery, it takes controversial stances sure to alienate large numbers of voters. The pledge promises ban both direct public funding for abortion and abortion “subsidies,” thereby forcing all federal employees, Medicaid and Medicare recipients into health plans not offering abortion coverage, a highly controversial position that contravenes the will of non-conservatives; it pledges to honor “traditional marriage,” notwithstanding that same-sex marriage is permitted in five states and the District of Columbia, again alienating more than half of the electorate. Polling in August conducted by Gfk Roper and CNN shows that the majority of Americans now support gay marriage.
The pledge won’t persuade voters opposed to conservative Republican positions to jump on board. What may be most important to the GOP at this point in the election cycle, though, is swaying the Tea Party and bringing it into the fold. For that purpose, demagoguery may be all the Republican Party needs.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20101006/cm_ac/6842280_opinion_can_gops_pledge_to_america_match_the_contract_with_america_or_mitigate_the_contract_from_america
Big D
October 28th, 2010
8:50 am
Ragnar…8:30.
Interesting….I guess that’s why I feel like I’m trying to tell a drunk that there drunk when I debate a liberal with iron clad information to their arguments.
I have all but given up with these goobs.
I just pray we neuter them next week.
Peadawg
October 28th, 2010
8:50 am
“The House Dems have compromised with the GOP on all major bills …”
Obama saying the Republicans are just going to have to come a long for the ride doesn’t sound like compromise to me.
ken R
October 28th, 2010
8:51 am
I hope the Republicans act just like ths Democrats did, never lie, air all your meetings in the open, show everything on c-span, give the public 5 days to view a bill so we could respond to it, pass major bills behind closed doors, anp play the fiddle, oops sorry, meant to say play a lot of golf while Rome burns.
Get the picture, Jay?
Doggone/GA
October 28th, 2010
8:51 am
“It’s almost poetic, isn’t it?”
I had the same reaction!
StJ
October 28th, 2010
8:51 am
Hopefully in the next 2 years at least we will slow down the bullet train to socialism, even if it can’t be turned around.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
8:52 am
Peadawg – last time I checked, the president isn’t a member of the legislative body.
ken R
October 28th, 2010
8:52 am
Spelling off this morning, still drinking my coffee, sorry.
larry
October 28th, 2010
8:52 am
How can you compromise with people who do not want to ?
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
8:53 am
” hope the Republicans act just like ths Democrats did”
where do you think they got the playbook?
and 5 days? that’s 4 more days than the American Public got to review the “Patriot” act …
@@
October 28th, 2010
8:53 am
Mick:
How many times do I have to tell you guys….I DON’T LISTEN TO RUSH LIMBAUGH, but unlike the liberals, I will not deride, chastise, ridicule or try to silence those who do.
I leave that approach to the NPR’s (New Progressive Radio) of the world.
Smug does not appeal to people like myself.
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
8:54 am
The fact that no R can stand up to or disagree with Rush suggests one of two things. Either Rush is right about everything (yeah right) or they are weak leaders.
Obama's
October 28th, 2010
8:54 am
The idea that there could be genetic-based partianship is the fruition of the corrupted thought process that gets induced in a brain suffering from random matriarchal RNA mutations (which themselves are caused by lactose intolerant infants forced-breastfed by oblivious mothers, who unfortunately weren’t against drunk drivers), but also the very reason most readers here think that it’s a shame that Rag’s mum dint raise him to be a nicer girl.
barking frog
October 28th, 2010
8:55 am
Peadawg
October 28th, 2010
8:50 am
Obama saying the Republicans are just going to have to come a long for the ride doesn’t sound like compromise to me.
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It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘are’ are.
Atlanta 1
October 28th, 2010
8:55 am
Oh, like the compromise that the Democrats have shown in the last two (really four years) or even before this, when the Republicans were the majority.
No, the Democrats have been just as difficult to deal with. There has been little to no compromise by this administration and it’s leaders in the House and the Senate.
So now Jay writes how difficult it is going to be making sure that Russ Limbaugh and his listeners are happy.
The answer is simple; it doesn’t matter what the Republicans do, some on the right will not be happy. Just like some on the left are not happy now, despite the largest socialist program in 80 years being forced down the American peoples throat by the Democrats. And yes, it is forced when a majority of Americans do not want something and it is written into law anyway.
TaxPayer
October 28th, 2010
8:56 am
Do Republicans really think that just saying no constitutes debate.
The last time I checked, debate required the use of fact to defend a position and that is the most logical explanation for Republican’s consistent fallback on the use of “no” and “I object”. It’s all they’ve got.
ken R
October 28th, 2010
8:56 am
Mick, you must have been born after the election of 2000, when the Dumbocrats tried to steal the election and called the Repubs every name in the book.
williebkind
October 28th, 2010
8:57 am
After the election the President will have the opportunity to give up his values and beliefs and accept the conservatives values and beliefs. I mean is that not compromise? Yeah, I know the liberals want you give up your core beliefs and accept their socialist ideals. If the conservatives do this, then the electors will vote them out. But why do the liberals want compromise now? Why can they not accept the same treatment they have been dishing out since the Obama and Plesi took charge? Did they do something wrong or unethical? Were the liberals too elite to debate with the conservatives? In my humble opinion, the conservatives should shut down Obama and Obama’s government. We as a nation can last until we get rid of all the progressive liberal socialist in government. Democrats take back your party!
Big D
October 28th, 2010
8:57 am
US/UK…8:50…
Say your house is burning up and your cat, kids and prize possessions are in the house…
Do you try to put it out…get cat, kids and possessions out…or…
Do you …call your insurance agent…then your builder to talk about a new house…
This is how silly you sound…
Our house is on fire…. lets put it out and then rebuild.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
8:57 am
“Dumbocrats tried to steal the election ”
you mean “steal” the election in which Gore won the popular vote?
that election?
Bubba Bob
October 28th, 2010
8:58 am
Because Obama has been so compromising….whatever. He’s pushed through what he wanted to as best he could while ignoring the GOP. He could have been way more compromising (which he promised he would be).
I don’t like the political climate either but it’s not like the Dems are saints.
joe
October 28th, 2010
8:59 am
If the GOP wins both houses and BO continues to push his quazi-socialist policies, then nothing will get done. If the GOP wins, BO must realize he has to become a center-right President to get things accomplished. To build jobs, he has to appease Big Business, and his policies to date, don’t. If the GOP wins, BO will face the reality that his healthcare push might be DOA. He must act the way most American’s want him to, which is not pushing through lefty liberal policies that France and Canada run on. They won’t work here. The sooner BO realizes this, the better position he will be in.
Peadawg
October 28th, 2010
8:59 am
“last time I checked, the president isn’t a member of the legislative body.”
True but if Obama farts, Pelosi and Reid are right there to sniff and complement on the smell. Get what I mean?
Nice Guy
October 28th, 2010
8:59 am
“The next two years are going to be fascinating, in the same way that watching a car wreck is fascinating.”
Nice vote of confidence Jay, real nice.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:00 am
Big D – speaking of silly … comparing a mid-term election to YOUR. HOUSE. IS. BURNING. DOWN. RUN!!! SAVE YOURSELVES!!!
drama queen much?
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:00 am
“True but if Obama farts, Pelosi and Reid are right there to sniff and complement on the smell. Get what I mean?”
um. no.
@@
October 28th, 2010
9:00 am
From Ragnar’s link at 8:38.
Our great presidents have been stewards, men who broadly identified with the whole of America. Stewardship meant responsibility even for those segments of America where one might be reviled. Surely Mr. Obama would claim such stewardship. But he has functioned more as a redeemer than a steward, a leader who sees a badness in us from which we must be redeemed. Many Americans are afraid of this because a mandate as grandiose as redemption justifies a vast expansion of government. A redeemer can’t just tweak and guide a faltering economy; he will need a trillion- dollar stimulus package. He can’t take on health care a step at a time; he must do it all at once, finally mandating that every citizen buy in.–Shelby Steele
On target!
ken R
October 28th, 2010
9:01 am
USinUK, I think that you have been out of the country to long, stop getting your news from the Brits. The Patriot act was for security, and the R’s never ever said anything about 5 days or lie on everything like Obama has, and you know it.
Piffle! like Granny says.
Jay
October 28th, 2010
9:01 am
Nice Guy, if I’m wrong, you’ll have the chance to say so.
But I’m not.
Nice Guy
October 28th, 2010
9:01 am
Taxpayer – “The last time I checked, debate required the use of fact to defend a position”
I think that’s largely true, but in case you haven’t noticed, many on this blog don’t use facts to support their position.
Peadawg
October 28th, 2010
9:01 am
“um. no.”
Well I can’t help ya there if you can’t get a simple analogy.
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 28th, 2010
9:03 am
@@, – I don’t listen to Rush either, but I most certainly will “deride” and “ridicule” any dim-wit who allows Rush Limbaugh to calibrate his/her moral or political compass. as far as “silence” goes, it’s not possible, so you’re not impressing me with this claim. ditto (npi) the “chastise” bona fide. we’re all grown ups (chronologically, anyway – I have my doubts of the political, emotional, and operational maturity of many Americans; left and right). I don’t “chastise” Limbaugh’s minions, but at a certain level I fear them (they vote and they reproduce)
Mick
October 28th, 2010
9:03 am
@@
You don’t listen to limbaugh but everyone in the republican party does and bows down to kiss his fat arse…name one just one, in that god forsaken party who has the cajones to go against him?
Pennsylvanian
October 28th, 2010
9:03 am
don’t let Laura hear you say that … since it was her man who said it.
That’s funny. Not as funny as President Feckless saying corpse man.
Big D
October 28th, 2010
9:03 am
US/UK….No…
Nice Guy
October 28th, 2010
9:04 am
“if I’m wrong, you’ll have the chance to say so.Ah yes”
You aren’t even going to give it a chance. When BHO was elected, I was not happy in the slightest, however, I gave him a chance. Its a shame that you can’t do the same, especially because you have so many loyal followers.
williebkind
October 28th, 2010
9:04 am
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:00 am
Just think of the eletion as a fire hose with hundres of gallons of water gushing onto that burning building.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:04 am
ken – ” think that you have been out of the country to long, stop getting your news from the Brits. The Patriot act was for security”
not only was I there in 2001, I was in DC. I don’t care if the Patriot Act was about saving your mother who was being held by a family of rabid grizzlies. It still had LESS time, LESS scrutiny and, yes, less SUNSHINE than the health care bill did.
sorry if the facts get in the way of the little narrative you’ve got going there, but facts they are.
ken R
October 28th, 2010
9:05 am
USinUk, my God man get over it, Gore lost, the chads were counted twice and it’s 2010, not 2000.
How’s the Global Warming where you are??????
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:05 am
Bog D – 9:03 – going by the evidence I see today, I’d say you’re a natural.
Normal
October 28th, 2010
9:05 am
“ignoring the GOP” HA, that’s why they are called the party of NO…because they were ignored!? Ha, that’s rich! Gawd, I’ve laughed so hard I have the hiccups.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:05 am
willieb – 9:04 – you mean the kind that actually destroys the items that the fire didn’t destroy?
yeah. that’s exactly what I was picturing.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:06 am
ken R – YOU brought it up …
larry
October 28th, 2010
9:07 am
Lets see, the high for Oct. 27th today is 77, in the mountains no less. Global Warming indeed.
Curious Observer
October 28th, 2010
9:07 am
We’re in for two long years of stasis—investigations, posturing, deadlock. The only hope is that the economy will somehow turn around (then both sides will be rushing to take the credit.) Meantime, vital federal positions—judgeships, administrative positions, etc.—will go unfilled. The air will turn green with accusations, propaganda, and outright lies. There is no possibility of compromise—it takes two sides to compromise, and one side has already declared unremitting war. Funding will stall on financial regulation and the healthcare law.
But underneath all the turmoil something is rumbling. More and more Hispanics and blacks will attain voting age. Those who think it’s possible to stop progress and even reverse it will be in for a surprise, especially the Tea Partiers, who are in for inevitable disenchantment, once they discover that all those promises of cutting spending and lowering taxes even further cannot be met. It’s going to be as interesting as the Super Bowl.
@@
October 28th, 2010
9:09 am
paleo:
The fact that you think I’m trying to impress YOU proves my point. I’ve never sought to impress anyone other than my children.
People can take me as I am or leave me the hell alone. Liberals can do neither.
ken R
October 28th, 2010
9:09 am
USinUK, You are absolutely right we should have put the Patriot act out there for Bin Laden and all the rest of the Terrorists to see and debate before it was signed, right on. And my Mother died a horrible death, thanks for reminding me, Sport!
Big D
October 28th, 2010
9:09 am
US/UK…
From what I see you post all the time you are inexperienced in life and naive…
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 28th, 2010
9:10 am
@@, and is it not interesting that were Mr. Steele to replace Obama with Reagan (and “healthcare” with “star wars”) it would be essentially the same article? I do agree that great leaders are “stewards”. stewards are beholden to the United States and not some partisan agenda or better mousetrap. to wit; there are more important issues than trapping mice. the Constitution is the mousetrap and it kinda accepts that we will never be entirely mouse free (ideological extremism).
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:11 am
ken r – sorry about your mom – mine did, too.
but, legislation is legislation – and those men and women are there to represent US. you want to start giving Congress the right to decide what we should and shouldn’t see???
OBAMINATION
October 28th, 2010
9:11 am
=) From all the liberal rhetoric I’ve been reading, it sounds like the lefty’s have already conceded the election. But hey, with a republican congress, Obama will have somebody else to blame other than Bush. Ironic how this change is coming about.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:11 am
Big D – well, if you say it, then by golly, it MUST be true.
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
9:12 am
Nice Guy
October 28th, 2010
9:04 am
You aren’t even going to give it a chance. When BHO was elected, I was not happy in the slightest, however, I gave him a chance.
—————————————————————————————-
Well, let the rewriting of history begin
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125113.guest.html
Of course we don’t want the R’s to fail, just their policies.
bobbyw
October 28th, 2010
9:12 am
Its simple. Our elected officials, Republicans and Democrats, have come to believe we work for them. They are public servants and are supposed to work for us. Obama takes it to a new level we have never seen. He is a marxist, plain and simple.
Pennsylvanian
October 28th, 2010
9:13 am
“you want to start giving Congress the right to decide what we should and shouldn’t see???”
Like HCR?
TaxPayer
October 28th, 2010
9:14 am
So tell us, Republicans, how tax cuts are going to pay off the debt and balance the budget. And please don’t leave out the details such as what tax-funded items you will cut and how much each cut will actually reduce the debt and deficit while simultaneously providing enough surplus to return more tax dollars to those paying the taxes… I know! Why don’t you sit down with the social security recipients and tell them that there simply is not enough money to pay them what they currently get (ditto for future retirees and Medicare recipients, etc., that are currently supported by payroll taxes) and then divert the payroll taxes to the general budget and claim that it is a surplus that needs to be returned to the payers of the income taxes. I think with a little effort and some pretty charts and rhetoric about future generations, any Republican worthy of Limbaugh’s blessing should be able to pull it off.
ken R
October 28th, 2010
9:14 am
USinUK, accepted, and no I don’t want to give Congress that right, I’m only sayint that Obama made many promises and he has not kept them, surely you can agree with that.
Big D
October 28th, 2010
9:14 am
US/UK… No ..again.
You say things that make it very obvious…
JDW
October 28th, 2010
9:15 am
Ken R wrote
“Gore lost, the chads were counted twice and it’s 2010, not 2000.”
What made that work so well is the way Bush came out and said “Folks this is the United States of America, here we have fair elections and count all the votes. We will all work to make sure each and every valid vote is properly counted, because after all that is what is important…
O’wait alternate reality…he had a Republican shill certify the election and then sued…my bad.
Keep up the good fight!
October 28th, 2010
9:15 am
Dont Forget…..I amended your statement. Of course we don’t want the R’s to fail, just their policies before they almost destroy the country again.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:16 am
Pennsylvanian – I’m so sorry to hear that you were in a coma all during the health care summer town hall meetings …
glad to hear you’re on the mend.
td
October 28th, 2010
9:16 am
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
8:26 am
Jay – I hear ya!
Peadawg – “Like Pelosi who doesn’t know how to share and says “it’s my way or the highway” to everything the GOP suggests?”
repeat it all you like – that doesn’t make it true. The House Dems have compromised with the GOP on all major bills …
Please send me some of whatever you are smoking. Pelosi had to compromise a little with the Blue Dogs but she just pretended the Republicans did not exist.
retired early
October 28th, 2010
9:16 am
USinUK
You remind me of a former coworker who is a self described born again christian. We were friends who agreed on a lot of things until it came to politics.
I ask him one day if he had a choice of voting for one of two candidates as follows:
One candidate was the best in the history of the country to run and would do great things for our country; however, he was Pro abortion.
The other candidate would become our worst president ever; but was Pro life.
This was a real conservation, I am not making this up.
My co worker said he would have to choose the Pro life one.
I think that says a lot about what is truly driving the GOP these days.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:16 am
Big D – “You say things that make it very obvious…”
much like your Drama Queen-ness
@@
October 28th, 2010
9:17 am
Curious Observer:
But underneath all the turmoil something is rumbling. More and more Hispanics and blacks will attain voting age.
Tell me, are you declaring ownership of that segment of the American people? Do you consider them bought and paid for? The Democratic Party’s slaves, are they?
The things you liberals say without realizing what you said…
Unbelievable!
jt
October 28th, 2010
9:17 am
TARP supporters or yea voters have absolutely NO credibility when calling anyone corrupt.
And those who believe that TARP was a good idea have no credibility when calling anyone dum or naive.
Republicans nor Democrats will stop fleecing the middle class until they ABSOLUTELY have to.
Here are 75 ways they will continue to do so regardless of who wins on Tuesday. Rejoice progressives, the money trucks will still flow to Washington.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/75-ways-that-the-government-and-the-financial-elite-will-be-sucking-even-more-of-the-life-blood-out-of-
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
9:18 am
Boehner to campaign for SS uniform wearing candidate:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/27/john-boehner-rich-iott-campaign_n_775078.html
Gosh, it looks like Boehner has a ………. deep seated hatred for Jewish people.
I think he might be a …………..fascist.
Turnabout is fair play, no?
ken R
October 28th, 2010
9:18 am
Taxpayer, If our elected officials don’t stop raping from SS there won’t be enough money to pay them, and that goes for both parties.
I would like to know how much in Taxes are you willing to pay? it seems to me that the more you give the more our miserable politicans will spend and then even more, it has to stop, nobody can survive by overspending, nobody.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:18 am
Ken – “Obama made many promises and he has not kept them”
on that, we can agree
we probably just differ on which promises.
Pennsylvanian
October 28th, 2010
9:19 am
USinUK – The details were disclosed in the town hall meeting? You delusional? How long was the HCR bill posted for review? Don’t you have important stuff, like making spread sheets to do?
barking frog
October 28th, 2010
9:19 am
Unfortunately for Republicans a republican House will
almost insure the Obama reelection in 2012. Even if
they take the Senate without a veto proof majority they
will dance to his tune.
TaxPayer
October 28th, 2010
9:20 am
And my Mother died a horrible death, thanks for reminding me, Sport!
People died needlessly as a result of having their healthcare rescinded in the name of corporate profits too, Sport.
sleestak
October 28th, 2010
9:20 am
The problem with compromise Mr bookman is, compromise is what helped the Republicans lose power in the 1st place! The Bush lead Gop congress had the biggest growth in gubmint since LBJ.
It was all done in the name of “compromise” when has your side ever compromised for less gubmint control over the individual?? Please name something! I have had enough of MORE G.D gubmint control
If compromise with your side of the fence means More of it, Then NO I dont want it.
mm
October 28th, 2010
9:21 am
“Like Pelosi who doesn’t know how to share and says “it’s my way or the highway” to everything the GOP suggests?”
And I call “BS” on that lie. Why do think the healthcare bill sucked? Because she allowed GOP amendments to the bill.
AmVet
October 28th, 2010
9:21 am
How dare ANY elected representative disagree with the de facto RNC Chairman?!
Issa learned his lesson.
The Excellence in B&llsh&ter is a disgrace. An inveterate liar, a borderline racist, hate-driven and morally bankrupt. All the while playing the lunatic fringe for the rubes that they are.
And Tom Price, Saxby Chambliss and the rest of the spineless, sycophantic neo-cons will march lockstep to his demogogued commands…
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 28th, 2010
9:21 am
@@, be assured that I respect you enough to know you do not seek my respect. I simply feel it is beneath you to defend those who listen to Rush (and Rush himself). what I find amazing about Rush is; in reality is he the proverbial 300 lbs. gorilla (or turd in the GOP punchbowl), but through his hyper-prartisan delivery; he has become “the spokesman for a generation”. he’s an overweight Howard Stern and nothing more. let’s be honest, I am not one to “disagnose” others, but 4 marriages, a well-publicized drug addiction and weight issues; he’s not exactly a “healthy” person in my book. if people find him (like Stern) to be “entertaining” so be it, but let’s not go nominating him for a Nobel Prize (unless they have one for substance abuse).
Mystified
October 28th, 2010
9:22 am
Political Bloodlust…. Jay ought to write a book with that title.
So it’s bloodlust for a conservative to want to turn Washington around back to a more conservative stance. What was it called when they campaigned against Bush and those congresses? Somehow I don’t think you considered it bloodlust.
You libs are really turning out to be poor sports and sore losers. The election is the debate and you are losing.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:23 am
retired –
let’s see … if I have a choice of voting for a candidate that belongs to a party whose platform is to disenfranchise gays, repeal women’s reproductive rights and basically turn the country over to big business, then, yeah, I’ll vote for the other guy every time.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:24 am
“Don’t you have important stuff, like making spread sheets to do?”
ah, yes … the last bastion of @@ and her minions … “don’t you have something to do … shouldn’t you be working or something …”
of course, they never say that to their colleagues on the right …
Scout
October 28th, 2010
9:25 am
Jay, I know this is going to be very hard for you but you’ll get through it just like we did. What goes around comes around. Don’t despair too much, it concerns us.
Mystified
October 28th, 2010
9:26 am
Uh oh….. Amvet’s off his meds again. Breath…. goose frabah goose frabah..
Jack
October 28th, 2010
9:27 am
Liberals are gettin’ a little testy now, arn’t they?
TaxPayer
October 28th, 2010
9:28 am
I would like to know how much in Taxes are you willing to pay? it seems to me that the more you give the more our miserable politicans will spend and then even more, it has to stop, nobody can survive by overspending, nobody.
Then you shouldn’t mind putting an end to that one trillion dollar annual DoD budget or putting an end to the prescription drug company benefit or the ag bill or free rides for corporations that funnel their money through Ireland and the Netherlands and the Caymans in order to avoid taxes or the people that hide money in UBS accounts in order to avoid taxation or the hedge fund managers that rake in a billion dollars annually by skimming off of pension plans and mutual funds, etc., while avoiding taxation through tax deferrence schemes… Oh Pleeze! Tell me how you will instead eliminate payroll taxes and income taxes in order to save us from ourselves while simultaneously fighting wars around the globe, building fences around the US, etc.
Keep up the good fight!
October 28th, 2010
9:28 am
Carlin…as much as I think Stern is just an testosterone overloaded high school boy, at least he stays away from politics generally so I have to give him credit for that. Rush is just a drug addled bully who has intimdated an entire party.
retired early
October 28th, 2010
9:28 am
USinUK
You just described the Republican Party.
Are you telling me you are a Democrat ?
Bubba Bob
October 28th, 2010
9:28 am
Jay,
“Nice Guy, if I’m wrong, you’ll have the chance to say so.”
We said the same thing about Obama being a community organizer and having no idea how to lead. We are saying ‘We told you so’.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:29 am
Penn – “How long was the HCR bill posted for review?”
for a week. the health care bill was posted on 14 March and was voted on by the house on 22 March.
Bud Wiser
October 28th, 2010
9:30 am
It matters little what they seek or how they will handle the burden.
Considering the socialist track record of Obozo, merely stifling anything he may try to push through for the next 2 years will be enough; it will do until this disaster and embarrassment of a “president’ is voted out of office.
A little gridlock can go a long way, and just like Atlanta traffic, everyone eventually gets home anyway.
Balance in Congress v the WH is a good thing, no matter which party is in control. We have seen the absolute cataclysmic effects of this puppet for the last 20 months.
Nice Guy
October 28th, 2010
9:30 am
Don’t Forget – “Of course we don’t want the R’s to fail, just their policies.”
Left-nut’s most common mistake when debating:
Taking the comments of one Repub/Conservative and painting the entire party with that brush.
Well done, Don’t Forget, well done.
AmVet
October 28th, 2010
9:31 am
…when has your side ever compromised for less gubmint control over the individual?? Please name something
What the ____?
Let’s review, shall we?
WHO suspended the most sacred individual liberty in America – habeus corpus?
Who, through the use of signing statements, allowed American corporations to spy on any American they deemed a threat and pass that information onto the “authorities”?
You rubes wouldn’t know about gubmint control over the individual if they took you away, never presented charges against you and kept you locked up forever.
Spare me the personal freedom BS, please…
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:31 am
retired – am I a Democrat???
I think that one qualifies for not just a “yes” but a “hell yes”
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 28th, 2010
9:31 am
jt, I would not go so far as to call anyone who supported TARP (politicians and citizens) as naive. I think there are many who have simply come to accept the plutocracy always wins – ALWAYS. I noted this on CT’s blog a couple days ago – grab (or go online) the current issue of The American Conservative and read up on the Federal Reserve and the debt-financed warfare/welfare state. TARP was a manifestation of the entitlement mentality of the banking community. in many regards, it was business as usual in DC (a bipartisan demonstration of plutocratic string-pulling, but now being presented/used as a partisan political issue to further delude Americans into thinking elections or political affiliations matter).
larry
October 28th, 2010
9:32 am
From Bloomberg….
Final Weekend Campaigning
There is no clear consensus on which party deserves more blame for the economy’s problems, or how best to fix them, the poll shows. On the economy, Democrats and Republicans are blamed equally for the nation’s plight.
Reflecting how some state-level polls on specific races have tightened in recent days, Democrats are seeing some success in the home stretch. Among those who say they waited until October to make their voting decision, Democrats have the advantage, 52 percent to 37 percent.
Remember last nights World Series game, we were going to see a pitching duel between Lee and Linescum and what happened ? The final score was 11-7.
I wouldnt count the chickens before they hatch .
Gator Joe
October 28th, 2010
9:32 am
Jay,
The Right Wing elite, should their Republican lapdogs secure the House, will hear the loudest complaints comming from their voters, the Fox-brainwashed, middle and lower class whites, who will not think for themselves, and are blinded by their bigotry. President Obama and the Democrats’ mistake was to believe they could reason and work with Republicans. The new crop of Tea Party Republicans are an embarrassment, and will be disasterous for our country.
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
9:33 am
Best ad of 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEPlZYp5-Pk
AmVet
October 28th, 2010
9:33 am
Mystified, grow up.
Pennsylvanian
October 28th, 2010
9:34 am
“for a week. the health care bill was posted on 14 March and was voted on by the house on 22 March.”
Got a link for that?
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:36 am
penn –
14 March –
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2010/03/14/health-care-bill-posted-online-2309-pages-bill-includes-language-to-federalize-student-loans-and-is-called-americas-affordable-health-choice-of-2009/
(link to bill leads the first graph)
and
22 March
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8579322.stm
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 28th, 2010
9:38 am
Keep up, I agree with your assessment of Stern, but I think the same of Rush (overcompensating for some self-esteem issues that go way back). the difference is that Stern’s audience sees him for what he is. if Limbaugh has the power to “intimidate” the GOP, whose fault is it? you know, we like to say; “don’t shoot the messenger” but why don’t people ever say; “don’t venerate the messenger”? I think it is because people in general and neo-con Americans in particular are for the most part weak, mindless lemmings, and anyone who presents a base, shallow, intellectually simple world view is appealling. think Dancing with the Stars, American Idol, or the BCS. Stern doesn’t go political because there’s no money in it.
Pennsylvanian
October 28th, 2010
9:38 am
USinUK – Your boss know you don’t have enough to do? LOL
Jay
October 28th, 2010
9:38 am
John Boehner on Hannity’s radio show yesterday:
“This is not a time for compromise, and I can tell you that we will not compromise on our principles,” Boehner said….
As for Obama’s own agenda, Boehner promised, “We’re going to do everything – and I mean everything we can do – to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”
retired early
October 28th, 2010
9:38 am
USinUK
GOOD !!!!!
AmVet
We need more like you
Keep up the good work!!
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
9:39 am
Nice guy
Taking the comments of one Repub/Conservative and painting the entire party with that brush.
Yeah the R’s never do that do they???
TaxPayer
October 28th, 2010
9:39 am
Taking the comments of one Repub/Conservative and painting the entire party with that brush
It’s not the brush. Actually, it’s that new “one coat” paint from Sherwin-Williams that’s called “Big Tent”. They use a variant of an old slogan for it down here in the south to sell it, “It covers Dixiecrats Like the Dew.” Whaddaya think. Catchy, huh.
@@
October 28th, 2010
9:40 am
Paleo:
but 4 marriages, a well-publicized drug addiction and weight issues
All of which I have no interest in.
Tell me…when did progressives/leftists/liberals lose their compassion for the drug addicts and fat folks? I thought it was disease that they and our money could fix.
The marriage thing? Have progressives/leftists/liberals now joined with what they call right-wing extremists? Marriages are to be limited.
Very interesting, paleo.
Has Limbaugh admitted to his own failings? Again, I don’t know ’cause I don’t listen to him.
TGT
October 28th, 2010
9:41 am
As Obama himself noted, “elections have consequences.” This election is going to be a severe rebuke–one of the most severe in American history–of the Obama liberal agenda by the American electorate. This includes the “more moderate center.” In other words, the “center” for the most part has already chosen, and it is with the GOP.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:41 am
retired –
(I’m thinking you’re new here?)
Keep up the good fight!
October 28th, 2010
9:42 am
We will not compromise our priniciples
So which John McCain will be seated in the senate this time and which principles?
Too Rich for Words
October 28th, 2010
9:43 am
I heard Boehner’s gonna be stumping for that Republican that likes to play dress up. Will John wear something complementary while out and about with Rich.
AmVet
October 28th, 2010
9:43 am
Considering the socialist track record of Obozo…
Yes, considering, indeed,
Please do enlighten me to it.
Expound in detail on this “socialism”.
Demonstrate your clear mastery by providing the facts to prove that oft-parroted and obviously inane claim.
Or not.
Just continue to do what virtually all of you cons do, proffer your opinions as though they are statements of fact. And demonstrate that you are utterly incapable of proving it…
williebkind
October 28th, 2010
9:43 am
retired early
October 28th, 2010
9:16 am
Clearly that was your opinion of who was best to run the country! How can murdering the unborn make you a leader. Only a liberal can answer that!
TINSTAAFL
October 28th, 2010
9:44 am
For my short life, the republicans have always turned to the moderate base. Look where it’s gotten us? I hope they turn to the FISCALLY conservative base this time. I’m socially moderate-conservative, but I would be furious if they go off chasing abortion and gay marriage when there are much more important things to worry about right now.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:44 am
AmVet – “Expound in detail on this “socialism”.”
people are going to have to buy insurance from CORPORATIONS!!! my god!!! it’s socialism gone mad, I tell you!!!
retired early
October 28th, 2010
9:44 am
USinUK
That would be true.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:45 am
retired – well, welcome to Bookmania … get to know us, we’re nothing if not entertaining …
Bubba Bob
October 28th, 2010
9:49 am
Jay,
How is Boehner’s quote different than anything Obama, Pelosi, or Reid say? They all talk like that. I don’t think it’s right either but you’re just being a hypocrite if you think Reps are the only ones who say and do that.
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
9:49 am
Ken Buck Senate Tea Party candidate in Colorado
“Will you tell those dumbasses at the Tea Party to stop asking questions about birth certificates while I’m on camera.” He added, laughing: “God, what am I supposed to do?”
Oh perfidious party.
John K
October 28th, 2010
9:51 am
AmVet. Yeah, that socialism rhetoric always cracks me up. These people wouldn’t know socialism if it got up and kicked them in the crotch. If it were truly a socialist plan, the insurance companies would be no more!
Bosch
October 28th, 2010
9:51 am
Good morning folks —
Reading through some of the posts, but this one made me spit Coke:
“Left-nut’s most common mistake when debating:
Taking the comments of one Repub/Conservative and painting the entire party with that brush.”
REALLY Nice Guy? You really wanna go there?
Very rarely to do you see such blatant hypocrisy. I mean, I’m fine with it and all, but damn.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:51 am
Don’t Forget … someone needs to tell Ken that he’s got to dance with them whut brung him …
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
9:52 am
TINSTAAFL
October 28th, 2010
9:44 am
For my short life, the republicans have always turned to the moderate base. Look where it’s gotten us? I hope they turn to the FISCALLY conservative base this time. I’m socially moderate-conservative, but I would be furious if they go off chasing abortion and gay marriage when there are much more important things to worry about right now.
If history is any indication, you are about to be furious.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:53 am
Bosch – see my 6:02 downstairs …
AmVet
October 28th, 2010
9:53 am
retired early, thanks.
Just doing my part to keep the neo-con lies, gross misrepresentations and assorted b&llsh&t to a minimum! (grin.)
Normal
October 28th, 2010
9:54 am
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:24 And the only time they say that is when thyay’ve been backed into a corner. Good job!
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:54 am
John K – “If it were truly a socialist plan, the insurance companies would be no more!”
didn’t you get the memo?
that’s all part of Obama’s Master Plan!!! (mwahahahaha)
williebkind
October 28th, 2010
9:54 am
AmVet
October 28th, 2010
9:43 am
Well, if he is not a socialist, then explain his ventures to improve capitalism and free enterprise without government intervention. I am eager to here this.
Andrew
October 28th, 2010
9:54 am
Jay:
Re: your statesman-like comment earlier…Obama has been the LEAST statesman-like of any president in recent memory, probably since Nixon. Talking about those who deign to disagree with him as enemies, and going to the back of the bus/car, whose ass to kick, jackass comment, acting stupidly…the list goes on. For me, he showed his narcissism by accepting the Nobel. Had he turned it down, it would have said he was serious. He’s not. He’s a failure. A joke. He was unqualified when he ran, and he’s unqualified now.
Re: Boehner and compromise…the voters will speak on Tuesday across the country…I suspect the voters are saying: stop Obama, stop his policies, stop his spending, stop is administration from tearing the country apart. Stop the madness. If there are landslides, remember this Jay, it’s not only “republicans in Washington” who are speaking…it’s the vast unsilent majority of Americans who are utterly sickened by what has transpired in the past 24 months.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:54 am
Normal – hey buddy – the 6:02 downstairs is for you, too
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:55 am
Normal – “9:24 And the only time they say that is when thyay’ve been backed into a corner. Good job!”
ZACKLY my point!
Bosch
October 28th, 2010
9:55 am
Reading through some of the rhetoric here and other places, I get the impression that so many in this country who see it in a crisis, actually are just pissed because we are increasingly diverse and they really just can’t handle it.
They sit around and create crisis when in reality, most of the people who are screaming about the country going down the toilet are actually well off individually. I”m not saying they are well off financially, but they have very little to complain about…..but yet, they still do.
JohnnyReb
October 28th, 2010
9:56 am
The elections next week are just the start. Conservatives know their true agenda cannot be accomplished with Obama in office. The Left, now with Jay’s help, want to paint gloom and doom, make us the villian. No, we won’t self destruct. We can and will wait. This election will stop Obama, at least legislatively. His agenda will still proceed as much as possible through executive orders and agency rulings such as EPA. The 2012 election will replace Obama, and at that time we can do the real work.
Del
October 28th, 2010
9:56 am
How do they appease the political bloodlust they’ve created and fed upon within the Democratic base without alienating the more moderate center in the process? And if forced to choose between the two, which way will they turn?
I changed GOP base to Democratic base and by changing one word in Jay’s commentary it describes exactly what has happened to the Democratic Party. The Dem’s allowed their party to be taken over by the far-left and now we’re seeing the result. They’ve not only alienated Independents and Republicans (the former being their worst miscalculation) but also the moderate center of their own party. Now we even see the far-left in their party dissatisfied with lack of progress in achieving the leftist agenda. The Democratic Party is in a state of fracture and hopefully will re-group, disassociate from the far-left and move back to the center. Until such time as that happens we’ll see grid lock, continued dysfunction in the federal government as well as Republicans moving too far right. America is a conservative center right country and the Democrats have failed to recognize it.
AmVet
October 28th, 2010
9:57 am
ex-pat, we could both easily come up with a dozen major points to refute that “socialist” nonsense.
While the empty-sloganers won’t or can’t provide the first one…
jconservative
October 28th, 2010
9:58 am
Peadawg at 8″20 am – “Y’all have had the house and senate since 2006 and haven’t done any good. It’s our turn again to give it a try.”
This is true. I will not disagree with a single word. But I would expand the thought.
Incumbents under the thumb of the “Lobbying Nation” have been in control for the last 30 years. The last Republican president to sign a balanced budget was Eisenhower. There was a moment when I thought the Tea Party would help us eliminate a lot of Incumbents. But unfortunately the Tea Party has been taken over by the “Lobbying Nation”, see Carl Rove and Dick Armey, and control the vast majority of Tea Party money.
So we will get what we get. On January 2, 2011 the “Lobbying Nation” will once again be in control of the US Congress.
Jay re Issa’s remarks, his sin was not what he said but that he said it publicly. That brought Limbaugh into the discussion. It is what happens out of the public eye that controls the nation. For all of Limbaugh’s hollering and screaming for the last 20 or so years the train for a socialist society has not slowed down a bit.
The Limbaugh’s of the nation entertain. The Issa’s of the nation, at the bidding of the “Lobbying Nation”, actually pretty much control the destiny of the nation.
John K
October 28th, 2010
9:58 am
Apparently everyone was ok with socialist countries helping us in Iraq & Afghanistan.
JohnnyReb
October 28th, 2010
9:59 am
Bosch@9:55, re, diversity. Diversity has nothing to do with, for example, that should Obamacare stand there will be no limit on what the Fed Gov can do. That is completely contrary to the intent of the founders, and the majority of Americans, regardless of race, are saying NO. We don’t want it, and we want a limited Fed Gov.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
9:59 am
AmVet – because most of them don’t remember the bailouts previous administrations have given the defense industry (or, if they do remember, it’s evidently “different”)
Bosch
October 28th, 2010
10:00 am
John K,
AND paying for their health care.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
10:01 am
poor sweet little thing …
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/8092390/Baby-elephant-attacked-by-crocodile.html
that pic hurts to look at it!
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
10:01 am
J Conservative
Incumbents under the thumb of the “Lobbying Nation” have been in control for the last 30 years. The last Republican president to sign a balanced budget was Eisenhower. There was a moment when I thought the Tea Party would help us eliminate a lot of Incumbents. But unfortunately the Tea Party has been taken over by the “Lobbying Nation”, see Carl Rove and Dick Armey, and control the vast majority of Tea Party money.
Yup, and one party calls it free speech so don’t expect to change anytime soon.
Randalph on the Right
October 28th, 2010
10:02 am
Gingrich is so much smarter than Barry and Joe, he would run this country much better. Barry said last night that it’s working..WHAT is he talking about? His administration is worse than Jimmy “the peanut farmer” Carter’s!
jm
October 28th, 2010
10:02 am
Corrupt is the wrong word. Obama is not the most corrupt by any standard.
HOWEVER, he has circumvented the rule of law (the GM bankruptcy) and extended the hand of government further than it has been since Roosevelt (or at least Nixon). So maybe Issa should’ve call him the most pro-government President in recent times.
Dumb choice of words.
Randalph on the Right
October 28th, 2010
10:03 am
Someone tell me what in this country is working since Barry and Joe took office? anyone, anyone? Bueller?
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
10:03 am
“Gingrich is so much smarter than Barry and Joe, he would run this country much better”
well, I don’t know about anyone else, but that post gets my vote for funniest post of the day …
… and it’s not even lunchtime
Nice Guy
October 28th, 2010
10:04 am
“Very rarely to do you see such blatant hypocrisy. I mean, I’m fine with it and all, but damn.”
Just telling it like it I – S is. Many on here are very good at that. And once they cite such a quote, they then proceed to pound their chest and say “look at me, I’m so much better than you.” Sigh. It is what it is I guess.
AmVet
October 28th, 2010
10:04 am
Well, if he is not a socialist, then explain his ventures to improve capitalism and free enterprise without government intervention.
No, willie, I don’t play the silly game of allowing people to “answer” a direct question with other questions, endless red herrings and unabashed intellectual dishonesty.
Yes, considering, indeed,
Please do enlighten me to it.
Expound in detail on this “socialism”.
Demonstrate your clear mastery by providing the facts to prove that oft-parroted and obviously inane claim.
Or not.
Here is how the game is played, YOU answer my question and then I answer yours.
This is how cogent discourse works…
Bosch
October 28th, 2010
10:05 am
Reb @ 9:59 —
See, I think that’s a load of bull. No offense. Folks like yourself like to say it wasn’t the intent of the Founding Fathers, but when it comes right down to it, you say that only for your own convenience.
“We don’t want it, and we want a limited Fed Gov.”
So what would YOU cut.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
USinUK,
So, what is the difference between Cottage Pie and Sheppard’s Pie? The Bosches make Sheppard’s pie about once a week during fall/winter — is it the tomatoes?
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
10:07 am
… I take it from Pennsylvanian’s deafening silence that we can finally put this “the Dems didn’t give us any time too look at the bill before it was passed” bollocks.
the compromise bill was posted a week and a day prior to passage.
which is more time than was given to the Patriot Act OR the medicare bill.
AmVet
October 28th, 2010
10:08 am
“Gingrich is so much smarter than Barry and Joe…”
EVEN if that is so, there is one itsy bitsy little problem.
“…he would run this country much better.”
He’s a proven immoral, philandering hypocrite and scumbag.
Not a desirable trait for the President of the United States of America…
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
10:08 am
Bosch – think of the name … Shephard’s Pie … shephards watch over sheep … shephard’s pie should be made of lamb, not beef.
cottage pie is beef or, in our case, usually turkey
Bosch
October 28th, 2010
10:08 am
USinUK,
I hope the mama elephant stomped that gator good. And WHY did you post that?
Bosch
October 28th, 2010
10:09 am
USinUK,
OHhhhhhhhh. Okay, rephrase — the Bosches make COTTAGE pie at least once a week during fall/winter. But I’ve never put tomatoes in it….I will give it a try.
John K
October 28th, 2010
10:10 am
Didn’t ol’ Newt resign in embarrassment?
After the red tide of 1994?
Hmmmmmmm…….
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
10:10 am
jm
October 28th, 2010
10:02 am
HOWEVER, he (Obama) has circumvented the rule of law (the GM bankruptcy)
jm, have you guys forgotten EVERYTHING Bush did or were you just asleep?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16740.html
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
10:10 am
Bosch – because the herd DID scare that mean crocodile off! and the baby turned out okay … yay!
Nice Guy
October 28th, 2010
10:11 am
“He’s a proven immoral, philandering hypocrite and scumbag.”
AmVet – this fails to prove why he wouldn’t run the country much better. Just another day….
HDB
October 28th, 2010
10:11 am
For those who think that Shelby Steele is on target…..he’s actually OFF TARGET!! Here’s why!!
“Our great presidents have been stewards, men who broadly identified with the whole of America.” It ALSO works in reverse: the WHOLE of America broadly identifies with our Presidents!! The WHOLE of America doesn’t!! Too many people lack VISION…all they desire is to maintain the status quo….and that won’t address the issues!!
“Stewardship meant responsibility even for those segments of America where one might be reviled.” The President IS acting as a steward of the American people…but much of the population isn’t seeing him in that light…especially when they QUESTION his birthright!!
“Surely Mr. Obama would claim such stewardship. But he has functioned more as a redeemer than a steward, a leader who sees a badness in us from which we must be redeemed.” Is it improper to note our failings as a nation…and work TOWARDS creating the “more perfect union”?? You can’t fix the mistakes until you ACKNOWLEDGE that mistakes occurred!! That’s the HUMAN BEING of the nation!!
“Many Americans are afraid of this because a mandate as grandiose as redemption justifies a vast expansion of government.” Not necessarily — it takes a NATION to recognize that we ALL are a pat of this great experiment….and each of us has to step up to the plate!! You can NOT just kowtow to those of means….you must include those who are NOT of means…and get their levels of life to improve!!
“A redeemer can’t just tweak and guide a faltering economy; he will need a trillion- dollar stimulus package.” Addressing the remnants of the previous Administration is what EVERY Administration does — Democrat OR Republican!! To repair this economy’s failures, the government is the MAJOR entity that could address the problems QUICKLY!! Note the hoarding by the private sector; if they were in such a position to fix the economy…why wasn’t it done in 2007-8…..or during a Republican Administration that was deemed to be “pro-business”??
“He can’t take on health care a step at a time; he must do it all at once, finally mandating that every citizen buy in.” Note the timidity of Steele….major national undergoings started as BOLD INITIATIVES!! The space program was a bold initiative…..and Americans walked on the moon!! The America I know WANTS to step up to a challenge….not run from one!! Not everyone bought into the space program…but the results of the endeavor CREATED the buy-in!! It CAN be done again!!
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
10:12 am
Don’t forget …
and then there was this, as well
http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-22/us/rec.airline.deal_1_airline-bailout-airline-industry-show-of-bipartisan-cooperation?_s=PM:US
Paul
October 28th, 2010
10:13 am
G’morning.
“However, in a TV interview a few days later, Bloomberg’s Al Hunt asked Issa about that interview. It was pretty funny, in a sad sort of way:”
Frankly, I was glad to see it. It’s part of running the gauntlet in the primaries, appealing to the small block/big power element to get thru the election.
Part of what’s going on is the Rep leadership bending to the incoming group – the R’s who may or may not be R’s but who’ve hitched on to the party as the best way to get to Congress. If a lot of them are true believers not swayed by circumstance, ‘train wreck’ doesn’t begin to describe it.
That’s compared to the previous two years, where particularly in the House the leadership was at the farther end of the spectrum and roped in the other Dem Congressmen for support. The result? About half the Democratic losses in the House could be the Blue Dogs – the Democratic moderates, and that’ll make any chance for compromise that much harder, even if the Rep leadership did put out some proposals.
Will Rep leadership learn from the experience of the past Dem leadership? Doubtful.
Read this morning that Reps Boehner and Rep Cantor are meeting to have a plan ready. ’s about time. But the ‘plan’ may not be what many are expecting. Just as Democrats are reeling from the effects of overinflated expectations and some legislation that went past what many in the electorate were comfortable with, well, let the Right put thru the cuts to balance the budget. And not just the paltry $100 billion the new House leadership is talking about. You’ll see the same outrage from the right and middle over “hey!!!! I said cut the waste and the takeover stuff, not my stuff!!!”
Train wreck? That could be a mild description.
John
October 28th, 2010
10:13 am
Bookman:
Let me ask you this because you’re always slamming the GOP. Recently, Obama, while speaking to a Latin crowd, implored them to vote Dem and referred to either the GOP or conservatives as “the enemy.” What kind of crap is that? How in the world can a President refer to a group of Americans as the enemy? It is immature, unprofessional and unbecoming. Just like Clinton’s antics, it cheapens the office. It’s stuff like this that evidences Obama’s lack of experience. It’s also stuff like this that leads many to believe Obama is petty and has no respect for the Country or his office.
JohnnyReb
October 28th, 2010
10:13 am
Bosch@10:05 – asking me what I would cut is off topic. I’m using Obamacare as the prime example of oppostion to Obama’s agenda. There are several aspects of the reform that are attractive, however, the price is too high. Not only in dollars, but – and this is THE point – it allows the Fed Gov to dictate for the first time that a citizen must purchase something, in this case, healthcare insurance. Conseratives are saying no. We don’t want the Fed Gov to have that power.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
10:14 am
“AmVet – this fails to prove why he wouldn’t run the country much better”
but … but … but, it was YOUR side that taught us that a lie is a lie is a lie when Clinton was in office … and that, if Clinton lied about a BJ, then he was unfit! unfit, I tell you! to hold that sacred office.
AmVet
October 28th, 2010
10:14 am
Given the cowardice evidenced over the past twenty years, I would argue that the once Grand Old Party should change it’s mascot fromm the pachyderm to…
http://tinyurl.com/25mveha
One Nation Under educated
October 28th, 2010
10:14 am
What’s working? Why, the socialist takeover of ‘merka is working quiite nicely, thank you (heheh)
And we have to have someone to run against in 2012 (clowns) thank you, again. All Rush, Boner, Angle, and the Good witch need is a little car and those big shoes…
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
10:17 am
Newt’s comments comparing Islam to fascism disqualify him to be president. No way he can work with other countries with that kind of inflammatory rhetoric.
One Nation Under educated
October 28th, 2010
10:18 am
“Train wreck”? Yes, Little Nero with a Cowboy Hat was not qualified to run a pretzel, much less a train.
Paul
October 28th, 2010
10:18 am
John
“Obama, while speaking to a Latin crowd, implored them to vote Dem and referred to either the GOP or conservatives as “the enemy.” What kind of crap is that? ”
And after that he referred to his political opposites as his ‘friends.”
It’s the totality in context, not the individual elements.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
10:18 am
“Newt’s comments comparing Islam to fascism”
meh – that was a red meat speech – they probably didn’t think he went far enough.
Paul
October 28th, 2010
10:19 am
Hey Bosch!!
You’re slipping.
Thbppppttt!!!
Paulo977
October 28th, 2010
10:19 am
Peadawg
What exactly is the meaning of THE SEPARATION OF POWERS?
AmVet
October 28th, 2010
10:20 am
John K. tpo your point. Newt already HAD the chance to demonstrate his leadership skills.
And what did he do?
He shiite the bed in stunning fashion, left office in disgrace and is now synonymous with the destruction of the last remaining shreds of civil discourse in Washington.
And now spouts ideological nonsense on the Republican News channel.
Oh yeah, he’s a real winner…
Fletch
October 28th, 2010
10:20 am
I give up – everyone at the AJC is exactly right. Things are going great. Bright future, blue skies, clear sailing – and any other optimistic cliche I forgot. We don’t have a debt problem. We haven’t over committed to anything without any assurances that we will be able to fiscally handle them. And the country is not splitting apart at the seams. 20+ attorneys general are not suing the federal government (most in history x3). States aren’t talking secession. People are very happy with their government. Great jobs abound. Savings accounts intact. Retirement imminent. Bailouts just and fair to all people. So much certainty that I can barely contain my enthusiasm.
HDB
October 28th, 2010
10:21 am
Paul October 28th, 2010
10:18 am
Good point!!
Big D
October 28th, 2010
10:21 am
AMVet…10:08….
You are exactly right…
I do believe you just described Bill Clinton….
ROBOCOP
October 28th, 2010
10:22 am
I think it’s wonderful if Republ;icans and Tea Baggers want to hold up Rush “the Pill Popper” Limbaugh and Glenn “The Psychotic Nazi” Beck as the philosophical standard-bearers for their values. Just think where we’ll be 2 years from now. So, you guys go get ‘em and hold them up. They’ll do an excellent job of representing the beliefs of Adolf Hitler and Benito Musolini.
John K
October 28th, 2010
10:22 am
You’re right. I can see a lot of similarities between ‘94 and now. The right was livid at Clinton for breaking the royal lineage that started with Reagan.
Good thing today’s neo-cons are so anti-education, otherwise they might realize they’re heading down the same path.
Pennsylvanian
October 28th, 2010
10:22 am
“… I take it from Pennsylvanian’s deafening silence that we can finally put this “the Dems didn’t give us any time too look at the bill before it was passed” bollocks.”
USinUK – I was actually paying bills. Useful stuff. I didn’t say “the Dems didn’t give us any time too look at the bill before it was passed” . Making straw man arguments? I asked a question, then asked for a link, to see if you would bite. You did. I never said I didn’t know the answer. LOL…
Paul
October 28th, 2010
10:24 am
JohnnyReb 6:30
“Not only in dollars, but – and this is THE point – it allows the Fed Gov to dictate for the first time that a citizen must purchase something, in this case, healthcare insurance.”
Have you ever thought of the idea that decades ago, when the Fed gov’t started Social Security, it wasn’t just an old-age pension scheme, but it dictated that citizens purchase life insurance? People pay into social security, die early, their spouse and children receive benefits.
And the basic, other point. As Jay noted, some people don’t have insurance. Some can’t get it, some choose to play the health lottery and voluntarily opt out. Some people who get ill pay their bills, others sluff them off onto those with insurance to pay. If we say people have to get coverage – that they can’t be denied for high blood pressure or whatever – how do we keep them from picking up a policy when a serious illness is diagnosed, getting a hundred thousand in treatment, then dropping the policy, which is right back to having everyone else pay for their care?
And isn’t having everyone else pay for the uninsured, which we now have, isn’t that ’socialism’?
AmVet
October 28th, 2010
10:27 am
D, LOL!
The difference between us (among innumerable others), is that I am fully aware and have repeatedly acknowledged Clinton’s ethical shortcomings.
You see, not being a rabid Republican, I never bought into that idiotic and enormously counter-productive 11th Commandment from the addled Saint Ronald…
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
10:28 am
Pennsylvanian – 9:19 – “How long was the HCR bill posted for review?”
yeah. it really sounds like you knew …
Bosch
October 28th, 2010
10:28 am
Reb,
“and this is THE point – it allows the Fed Gov to dictate for the first time that a citizen must purchase something, in this case, healthcare insurance.”
I see the gripe, but aren’t y’all always talking about personal responsibility and people not paying their fair share, etc. Isn’t this one way to fix that problem? Everyone gets sick and it should not be shouldered on a few to pay for it. It should be paid for by all.
Too many contradictions in your complaints.
Personally, I’d like the single payer system, or something close. Leave insurance companies out of it all together. To me, the system we have now — where an entire industry (health insurance) is supported by the employers of businesses or the taxpayer is simply unacceptable. As we have it now, the health insurance companies actually make it impossible for the supply and demand for the consumer to purchase or obtain health care. It’s completely uncapitalistic — not socialistic, not even close as some like to say — people need to get their definitions right.
USinUK
October 28th, 2010
10:29 am
Pennsylvanian – and let’s not forget your 9:13
“you want to start giving Congress the right to decide what we should and shouldn’t see???”
Like HCR?
oh, no, you weren’t saying that the House was passing a bill without giving people an opportunity to read it … not you …
jm
October 28th, 2010
10:30 am
Don’t Forget 10:10 – reminding me of the stupid things bush did doesn’t absolve Obama.
Big D
October 28th, 2010
10:30 am
AmVet …
Duck..Bob…hide….
It’s all good…
Bosch
October 28th, 2010
10:31 am
Hi Paul!
They are canceling Caprica.
Damn Fascist TV show makers.
Bosch
October 28th, 2010
10:32 am
Fletch,
And how exactly are things going for you individually? Is any of this actually affecting you personally to the point that your life has lost quality?
jm
October 28th, 2010
10:32 am
Silly Season is upon us in full. Coincides with the leaves changing every two years. Never thought I’d say this: looking forward to winter time….
Bosch
October 28th, 2010
10:33 am
Paul @ 10:24 –
That deserves some kind of award.
Paul
October 28th, 2010
10:38 am
Bosch
Canceling Caprica? Nooooooooo……….
Did you see last week’s? When the Cylon gunned down the baddies, turned his head and said to the human with him, “by your command”? Right back to the 70s.
I just hope they accelerate the storyline to show the rapid development of the Cylons, the impact they had on society, their rebellion and the human slaughter. If they’d stuck to that storyline the show might’ve continued.
And my 10:24 was right there with your 10:28 -
Big D
October 28th, 2010
10:39 am
Partisan politics aside…
I do really believe that most people who participate here are like me..in the sense that we want to see a system evolve that does not divide us, over burden any section of the citizenry and is financially responsible.
With the ability to get the attention of the congress electronically we now should be able as a country to refine a new process of accountability.
I believe this is just what the Tea Party movement is… a first step.
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
10:40 am
“and this is THE point – it allows the Fed Gov to dictate for the first time that a citizen must purchase something, in this case, healthcare insurance.”
Who do you think pays for their healthcare now if they go to the ER with a life threatening condition??? The rest of us that’s who. That’s as socialistic as anything that Obama has done and it was Reagan that signed the bill that required ER’s to treat without regard to ability to pay.
AmVet
October 28th, 2010
10:40 am
So D, you are now familiar with the game and won’t play.
Probably your best move.
BTW, the phrase that you are looking for is, “Remember the five rules of dodgeball – dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge!”
Alas, duty calls and somebody here has got to keep the wounded American economic engine running. Those boys on Wall Street need my help.
Later…
@@
October 28th, 2010
10:44 am
Paul:
With Paul Ryant as the leading Republican in the CBO, I dare say he can facilitate the necessary cuts with his clear-headed and logical approach. He has a talent I haven’t seen for some time. His more diplomatic approach would be a welcome change. A change that we can believe in.
He (Paul Ryan) is the one I’VE been waiting for.
@@
October 28th, 2010
10:45 am
Omit the “t”. It’s Paul Ryan and me.
@@
October 28th, 2010
10:46 am
New thread.
USinUK
ah, yes … the last bastion of @@ and her minions
I have no minions…just ask Bosch. He knows all.
Disgusted
October 28th, 2010
10:47 am
it allows the Fed Gov to dictate for the first time that a citizen must purchase something, in this case, healthcare insurance. Conseratives are saying no. We don’t want the Fed Gov to have that power.
Please explain to me how we’re ever going to get past this business of taxpayers, insured people, doctors, and hospitals picking up the tab for treatment of the uninsured if we continue to allow people to opt out of available health insurance. Right now we have tens of thousands of people who could afford to purchase health insurance but instead choose to spend their discretionary income on other things. When they get terribly sick or they’re badly injured, they wind up in a hospital without the means of paying for their treatment. The rest of us are forced to pay for it, one way or the other—through higher taxes, through higher insurance premiums, through higher hospital bills, through higher medical provider bills.
I’m sick of hearing about the supposed “loss of freedom” that comes with mandatory insurance coverage. The people who whine need to tell the rest of us how they propose to relieve the rest of us from this decades-long financial burden if insurance coverage continues to remain optional. I’m all ears. Please tell us.
Paul
October 28th, 2010
10:48 am
@@
He’s more of the background pragmatist. The fact some of the Reps playing to the crowd don’t like all of what he says is reason for hope.
Oh, and your next to the last post last night – I knew there was a reason somewhere I like you! (ISH)
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
10:50 am
jm
October 28th, 2010
10:30 am
Don’t Forget 10:10 – reminding me of the stupid things bush did doesn’t absolve Obama.
jm, the R’s and tea party aren’t calling the things Obama has done “stupid things”, they say he is destroying America. But when Bush did the same thing they were silent. Either these things aren’t destroying America or they sat back and did nothing when it was being done by an R. Take your pick.
@@
October 28th, 2010
10:55 am
Paul
…a reason somewhere…
Had to dig deep, did ‘ya?
(ISH)
Don't Forget
October 28th, 2010
10:55 am
@@
October 28th, 2010
10:44 am
Paul:
He (Paul Ryan) is the one I’VE been waiting for.
You won’t be offended if I call him the “idiot messiah” will you.
I’ve heard that term somewhere.
Paul
October 28th, 2010
11:06 am
Don’t Forget
I won’t be offended. I try to not get offended at namecalling by others, just consider the source.
Seriously, it’s the Dem’s chance to show how they’re different in discourse from the Reps over the last two years.
JohnnyReb
October 28th, 2010
11:07 am
To Bosch, Paul, and Disgusted. Your intentions are admirable. I’ll even go as far to state that you may be a better person than I. However, the oppostion to your ideals is the age old gripe against Democrats. You want to do all these wonderful things, save humanity, etc. The problem is, you want to do it with someone elses money.
@@
October 28th, 2010
11:13 am
Don’t Forget:
Why should it matter to me. I’ve no doubt that Ryan wouldn’t take offense. He’s not easily ruffled.
When you go to what the left calls extreme right-wing blogs, the discussions/comments regarding Ryan are very interesting. While they may not agree 100% with his Roadmap, they see it as an acceptable launching pad.
Their greatest concern is how Democrats may manipulate it should they regain power at some point. I see that as resistance to the opposing party, not Ryan’s overall policies.
All I’m looking for is to turn down the noise.
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 28th, 2010
11:18 am
@@, sorry for the delay. my point about Limbaugh’s issues was not that they make him a bad person, but sinply a “bad” spokesman for “conseveratives”. remember, you originally posted that you will not “ridicule” or “chastise” his listeners/ you know, in many ways, he’s like Barbara Streisand, George Clooney, Bruce Springsteen or any of the other celeb gadflies who made their bones in areas (entertainment) other than public policy or law. as I said, sometimes it is OK to “ignore the messgenger”. again, being a junkie, overweight, or thrice divorced (like motivational speaker Al Folely) doesn’t make him a bad person, or unworthy of the “compassion” of liberals. it is his lack of compassion (ironically, for drug users/offenders, in some instances), arrogance and duplicity (the things that make him popular in some circles) make him a bad “spokesman” for any cause, including the GOP.
Paul
October 28th, 2010
11:26 am
Johnny Reb
“You want to do all these wonderful things, save humanity, etc.The problem is, you want to do it with someone elses money.”
Some can’t be saved. That’s the reality.
As to someone else’s money…. we’ve been doing that since our country was founded. Whether it’s the establishment of the military or education, it’s always been the case. Point is, it’s a balancing act – enough to help those in tough situations, but not so much that it skews life and causes people to see gov’t as the source of their good. And that doesn’t mean low income welfare types. It refers to those at the upper strata, too – the agricultural industry, Defense contractors, preferential tax treatment for large corporations, to name a few of the most commonly cited.
Night Train
October 28th, 2010
11:34 am
you mean “steal” the election in which Gore won the popular vote?
Here’s your sign!
@@
October 28th, 2010
11:54 am
Paleo:
…it is his lack of compassion (ironically, for drug users/offenders, in some instances)…
Has Limbaugh asked for compassion? Based on what I’ve heard about him, it’s likely not.
Here’s the thing, Paleo, I’ve admitted to enjoying the arguments put out by left-wingers on FOX…O’Reilly to be more specific. Sometimes I do wish O’Reilly would shut up and let them finish a point, but…I can glean from them those things with which I agree, and dispose of the rest.
Are you saying that the people who listen to Rush aren’t capable of doing the same? I wouldn’t be so bold as to assume they can’t.
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 28th, 2010
12:07 pm
@@, yes, that is what I am saying, although I would insert the word most (”the people who listen to Rush”). here’s my take. I like an occassional cigar. in fact, I was smoking good cigars way before it was “cool” and long before there were “cigar bars” and magazines for cigar smokers. so, a coupla 10 years ago, when I say Rush’s mug on a cigar magazine, I said “I don’t have a problem with Rush offering his opinon on cigars…” Just like I would not ask Keith Richards to comment on the policies of the Federal Reserve bank or his views on Marxism vs. Capitalism, but I sure like his brain about blues, R&B or the Gibson vs. Fender debate. and as I said, I don’t ultimately fault Limbaugh for his arrogance (patholical narcissists are what they are). it’s the people who listen to him with an uncritical mind that I “ridicule” and “chastise”. who referred to him as the “anti-Pope”? excellent tag. he is viewed as “infallable” and there is a blind loyalty that would make the Pontiff envious. so, I understand why the GOP embraces him and defers to his “leadership” (like Palin, Newt, et al; he gets out the vote and he’s an impressive fundraiser). to riff the “anti-Pope” analogy, I just don’t think he ultimately cares about the “salvation” of the United States. so, we can opine about why Jim Jones put cyanide in Kool-Aid, or we can “ridicule” those who enthusiastically drank it.
Paul
October 28th, 2010
12:19 pm
If… if… if…. the soon to be minority House Democrats and majority Senate Democrats had a plan to deal with the wave of fiscal anger that swept out moderate Democrats and Republicans and installed hard-right fiscal conservative Republicans -
I hope it includes the following: Take every new Republican House and Senate member. List every single federal program that benefits their district or state. Ask, point-blank and simply:
“What are you going to cut?”
@@
October 28th, 2010
1:24 pm
Paleo:
This is the last I’m gonna say on the topic of Limbaugh. I’m not here to defend him.
…it’s the people who listen to him with an uncritical mind that I “ridicule” and “chastise”.
And ^^^ therein lies the difference between you and I. I limit my ridicule of people about whom I know absolutely nothing. I have no way of knowing whether they fall into YOUR category of “uncritical” thinkers or not. My distaste is for the politicians and the inept way in which they approach the process of governing.
Now as far as those “special” folks who I’m willing to ridicule? There is Bosch. He/she’s shared way too much personal info here. Besides that, he’s an obnoxious little hypocrite who twaddles endlessly.
I make exceptions for people like him/her. He/she’s “special” or so he/she’s told me.
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 28th, 2010
3:15 pm
@@, agree to disagree. I am not going to chase your tail, or ask you to chase mine. I’ll see you around.
@@
October 28th, 2010
4:16 pm
Paleo:
agree to disagree.
I’m always willing to do that, and with no hard feelings to boot.