Voter-fraud claims a case of mass, self-induced hysteria

Personally…I don’t think it’s “self-induced hysteria” – I think it’s a cynical ploy by the leaders to induce hysteria in their followers, to keep them from thinking too deeply about whom they are electing.

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Voter Fraud is generally a red herring. It occurs, and should be rooted out. But on an infrequent and apolitical basis, in my opinion.

Voters need to get their act together. Register where you live. If you’re here illegally or not a citizen, you have no business voting. End of story.

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Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
3:05 pm

Speaking of hysteria, did you listen to many of the pep rallies POTUS conducted during the past week or two? Get real, politics is dirty on both sides.

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I personally would like to see more vote monitors from both parties in the polling places at major colleges….that is where I have seen the most accusations in recent years – places where the students appear to be in charge. If people are truly concerned this is happening, why dont we forestall this by appointing monitoring teams from both sides of the isle??

And Jay, thanks for the admonishment on the last blog about name calling. When it gets that vicious, I sit on the sidelines and read and dont post. Most of the ugly things said seem to melt away when you posted that you agreed with @@……

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And the left’s claims of voter fraud?

Since we’re on the topic, will the DOJ get the ballots out to our military in time? If not, will their votes not count?

Jay, I’m very much into body language. Joy Behar’s “stomp off” during O’Reilly’s appearance made me laugh. Watch her body language here.

Anyhoo, now look at Joy when she’s talking about the Sharon Angle ad…when she’s confronting another woman (from a distance) I might add.

Do we need women like Joy to represent us? Not from @@’s perspective.

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The major fraud in voting is the claim that electing
candidates from either party will change anything.

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Oops! Muffed up the second link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwVYgHLicHg

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Yes, there is much teeth gnashing over that ENORMOUS problem of voter fraud, that doesn’t exist.

But it sells well in the Ever Popular GOP Cult of Victimhood…

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barking frog
October 27th, 2010
3:17 pm

Harumph, harumph!!

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Jay
October 27th, 2010
3:18 pm

Again, Jay, we agree regarding paper ballots. I’m referring to voting machines, I’ve seen many varieties, but the touch screen seems as though it would be easier to manipulate.

I guess the biggest voter fraud “scandal” I ever read about was Daley’s Chicago vote for JFK in 1960. While the feds didn’t prosecute, and Nixon insisted they not, it seems as though it could have been very dirty and could have even tipped the election to JFK.

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Yea, Jay, we know. And bus loads of poor people will be denied their right to vote because they don’t have a photo ID too….

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And Bill Gross says it doesn’t matter. Don’t vote for either. Or roll the dice, close your eyes, and pick a ballot. They both mess up our country, so elections no longer matter since our country is already swirling the drain. Go drink some Margaritas at El Taco on Tuesday….

http://www.pimco.com/Pages/RunTurkeyRun.aspx

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“Ever Popular GOP Cult of Victimhood”

Cult of victimhood, AmVet??

Hahahahaha…..

Oh my gosh….hahahaha.

Aren’t you the one who is always crying about how the corporates keep you down, how rich people keep you (middle class) down, etc….why yes, I do believe so….

Sheesh.

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RB from Gwinnett
October 27th, 2010
3:22 pm

Those same people would be denied renting a movie from Blockbuster as well with no photo ID.

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The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

October 27th, 2010
3:25 pm
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
3:22 pm

“vote for the prettiest one.”

So this question begs to be asked – who does your wife plan to vote for in the GA Gub race?

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First time probably Monds..
If second time..looks like Deal.

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And I made this identical argument back when liberal fringe groups were making the “Diebold stole the election” claim.

O-:MG, jay!!!!

You have totally destroyed the left’s claim to the 2000 election.

AL GORE BE DAMNED!!!!!!

That ^^^ was fun.

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barking frog
October 27th, 2010
3:30 pm

So Monds is the prettiest of the three? Hmmm, maybe so, but I don’t know about Deal in the second round. When he smiles his face crinkles up and looks like it’s going to crack into a million pieces. Sort of like when Pat Buchanan smiles.

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How about the Al Franken recount where 25 precincts reported having more ballots in the recount than voters that signed in at the poll?
But wasn’t it the Dems scraming about stealing the election and illegal election in the Bush brothers Florida recount? I don’t think claims of voter fraud are only made by one party.

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The right sure seems to be scared by just about everything…why do I keep getting this image of the far right as Don Knotts in a Scooby Doo cartoon?

(Of course, I guess that makes the far left Thelma and Shaggy)

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The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

October 27th, 2010
3:32 pm
So Monds is the prettiest of the three? Hmmm, maybe so, but I don’t know about Deal in the second round. When he smiles his face crinkles up and looks like it’s going to crack into a million pieces. Sort of like when Pat Buchanan smiles
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Deal will probably beat Barnes and Monds both but
I don’t think he’ll be smiling much in the next year or
so…Dem administration will try to fry him….

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Looks like most every discussion from here ’til late next week is going to be “D vs. R” or “R vs. D”. Y’all have fun.

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Of course Jay is going to say there is no fraud since in about all the cases it’s the libs that are doing it!!

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Care to provide proof of this “fixation”? Talk show nutjobs don’t count.

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Of course the government didn’t find anything. If they had, it would delegitimize themselves. How many people are going to go out of their way to say “Yeah, it turns out I’m here on a lie.” Not gonna happen, especially with power hungry politicians, no matter their political persuasion.

There is too much evidence of voter fraud not to believe it’s happening. Is it enough to swing major elections? That I couldn’t say. But I can say with a fair amount of confidence that there is definitely voter fraud going on out there, and anyone who disagrees is being naive.

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“Of course Jay is going to say there is no fraud since in about all the cases it’s the libs that are doing it!!”

Then your mission is ridiculously simple.

Please provide proof thereof.

Take your time…

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With the emergence of “early voting” why do we even need absentee balloting? I guess military stationed overseas would be an obvious exception. But who else should need to vote via absentee methods? If that’s where all the fraud is, why not tighten up who gets to use this voting method?

And why shouldn’t someone be required to prove their identity before they vote in person? What’s the problem?

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Cross party voting in primaries is deceitful but
is not fraud.

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Amvet, so you don’t believe that there is any fraud going on ?

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Amen AmVet – That’s why I voted for Barr and I’ll be voting for Monds on Tuesday. When all the parties can do is nominate an obvious crook and an obvious known failure, I’m taking the other alternative. I plan to try and vote about 847,263 times, which should be plenty to give Monds a very surprising upset victory!!!!

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Liberals gettin’ a little testy now ain’t they?

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Given all that, the GOP fixation on voter fraud is explainable only as a case of mass, self-induced hysteria.
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Why would ensuring that procedures are in place to make sure voter fraud doesn’t happen be considered hysteria. Elections are the foundation of democracy so ensuring the integrity of system ensures faith in the system. I don’t believe their is wide spread fraud but it would only seem that something as important as an election in democracy should have the highest standards.

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Speaking of “self-induced hysteria”, I remember seeing a Dade County Florida resident on TV after the 2000 “hanging chad” fiasco, and he claimed people were running and sreaming in the streets, crying and pulling their hair and all that, after they “discovered” they voted for Buchanan rather than Gore. Wish I had a video of that load of crap.

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John Birch
October 27th, 2010
3:55 pm

If you’re successfully able to vote 847,263 times then expect a visit from the Democratic National Committee. They’ll want to know how you did it so they can put it in their next playbook.

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Speaking of voter fraud, indictment today in Florida, http://www.wftv.com/news/25536806/detail.html. Silly, mass hysterical grand jury!

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Did you ever see an election where they had a recount that the Republican gained votes ? Did you ever wonder why ?

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Yes, of course the population in Daytona is 52% democrat.

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Ragnar – you better have my gold.

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Whoever votes for Isackson will be VOTING for a fraud.

Ditto Deal or Barnes.

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Amvet, check out the 4:05 post, that’s a start!

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jm – Good article. That’s pretty much been my take for awhile and Bush running huge deifcits and Obama sending 50,000 troops into Afghanistan just confirms my belief. It’s really a lot like the Ned Beatty scene in Network where now even Presidents don’t dare mess with the fundamental powers of the universe. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors to distract the public from the real magic, like Goldman Sachs paying ever bigger bonuses while the middle class is squeezed tighter and tighter.

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The Secretaries of State project is closely allied with another peachy clean liberal group called the Democracy Alliance, made up, to name a few, of the following:

ACORN
Air America
America Votes
Ctr for American Progress
Center for Progressive Leadership
People for the American Way
Progress Now
Progressive Majority.

Think that they are not looking out for their own? Anything to have those evil Katheryn Harris types of the loop. Mark Ritchie, the MN SOS is a member of the SOS project and Democracy Alliance, being the good Democrat that he is. At least Frankin’s election was decided by just 312 votes.

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It is funny when a team blames the ref for a loss.

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Amvet, So you don’t believe there any fraud going on ? Just asking!

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Jay:

What’s up with all of this I hear about our military overseas getting left out of the picture ?

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Indeed, the two Democrats on the three-member board of elections, an elected body, testified that they were aware of the voter fraud, had intentionally failed to enforce the election law and had later tried to conceal their activities by hurriedly certifying the Democratic candidate as the winner.

Judge Newcomer ordered that Mr. Stinson, a 49-year-old former assistant deputy mayor of Philadelphia, be removed from his State Senate office and that Mr. Marks, a 36-year-old lawyer and former aide to United States Senator Arlen Specter, be certified the winner within 72 hours.

“This is extraordinary relief,” Judge Newcomer wrote. “However, it is appropriate because extraordinary conduct by the Stinson campaign and the board tainted the entirety of the absentee ballots.”

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9802E5DE153BF93AA25751C0A962958260&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

Since Marks (the declared winner) was a former aide to Arlen Spectre. Either way ‘ya look at it, this was Democratic voter fraud. No Republicans involved.

Schnirt.

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Doggone/GA,

“I think it’s a cynical ploy by the leaders to induce hysteria in their followers, to keep them from thinking too deeply about whom they are electing.”

Or more likely a way to ensure voter intimidation at the polls to keep “those” people from voting for Democrats.

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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/acorn_accusations.html
Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes.

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According to a recent analysis by Lorraine Minnite, an expert on voting crime at Barnard College, federal courts found only 24 voters guilty of fraud from 2002 to 2005, out of hundreds of millions of votes cast. “The claim of widespread voter fraud,” Minnite says, “is itself a fraud.”
And what about ACORN? Aren’t they guilty of voter fraud. Actually, no. Of the millions of voters they have registered, only asmall percentage of registrations have been found to be fraudulent, and most of those were identified and flagged by ACORN iteself. By law ACORN and all other groups have to examine the registrations and look for bad registrations–but even this is besides the point. Every state has a system to validate new registrations (just as they do with other documents such as drivers licenses, business permits etc) and states have extensive systems designed not to prevent voter fraud.

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Jay,

And don’t forget the assiduous efforts of conservatives over the years to whittle away at voter rolls through various means and to throw up various other roadblocks to voting for folks who in their eyes are n’er-do-wells (poll taxes, etc.).

Only the Right fights tooth and nail, in systematic fashion, to deprive its enemies of access to the vote. And that should also be included in the discussion here.

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“Amvet, So you don’t believe there any fraud going on ? Just asking!”

I know you are.

Just as I have asked you three times to support your claim that “…since in about all the cases it’s the libs that are doing it (voter fraud)!!” with the first shred of proof.

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Interesting that a Republican candidate for Senator would think so much voter fraud is happening in largely minority neighborhoods:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=7714744

I wonder why that is? I’m certain his intention is not voter intimidation with his “voter integrity squads”.

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@ 4.41…that “hourly” at the end was unintended..

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Regretfully the Republicans had no one experienced
at voter fraud in 2008. Sarah Palin as VP would
have been much more entertaining than Biden.
She may have surpassed Dan Quayle or GW.
Too bad.

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jcb, re your 4:37, those damned jiggered districts!

Freudian Jim Crow, alive in the Macaca GOP…

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Just because there is no proof doesn’t mean that the Dem’s don’t promote voter fraud, it’s just a testament to their ability to hide thier crimes. Silly argument if you ask me, you have no proof!

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Why do away with early voting

Jewcowboy,

I just don’t like the idea of ballots sitting around for a month.

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jewcowboy
October 27th, 2010
4:37 pm

I don’t know why he suspected that. Perhaps it was that Mickey Mouse, Foghorn Leghorn, and Fred Flintstone were all registered voters in that minority neighborhood that gave him cause for suspicion.

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Who are “those” people jewdude, Black Panthers? (That’s a joke, though a very feeble one). I am friends with several successful black people (who voted for Obama in 2008) that are voting republican this time because they don’t want to pay higher taxes only to see our government throw their money away on mis-managed and ill conceived programs. They also don’t want to place unbearable debt on their children. The sad truth is, they tell me that they would never admit voting in this way because they would be so heavily ostrasized by members of their own families and their community. There is something just plain wrong with that. I vote and I am damned proud to tell people how I vote and I can’t even imagine how it would be not to be able to. Then again, I am also white.

Politically speaking, it would be very frustrating to be a black person in this country who chooses to stray from the democrat/progressive party. And, because of the amount courage that it takes for those that do, I deeply respect them. In some ways, slavery hasn’t ever ended. It just mutated into the democratic party. Oh, that’s right, that is where it began in the first place, isn’t it?

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RW-(the original),

“I just don’t like the idea of ballots sitting around for a month.”

That’s sort of a lame excuse.

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Did somebody say Freud ?

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barking frog
October 27th, 2010
4:55 pm

Yeah, but Quayle and Palin aren’t as pretty as John “Two Americas” Edwards. The Breck Boy (no hair plugs needed) was almost our VP in 2004.

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DANG, RW! I voted Monday. Now you’ve got me worried.

I would share with jay’s left-wingers, the HUGE mistake my husband made at the polls….they would LOVE IT, but I won’t ’cause they’re nasty little people undeserving of a laugh.

Therefore, there will be no redistribution of the incident.

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Ever wonder why Colorado might have been dragging their feet on mailing absentee ballots to servicemen/women overseas? Bernie Buescher, their SOS is a life long Democrat who did not benefit from SOS Project funds. How does the majority of the military vote in national elections?

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“One of the most hilariously obvious cases of voter fraud I’ve ever heard of”

I would suggest you do something really really radical and actually educate yourself on the FACT of that election before you make a fool of yourself by spouting off lies about it.

Oops. Too late!

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/07/19/coleman_franken_recount

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That’s sort of a lame excuse.

jewcowboy,

Are you trying to make some other accusation that I’m missing? Every time we have a recount somewhere we have boxes of ballots suddenly showing up in a trunk or the corner of a room so having an extra month to “lose” them doesn’t seem like a great idea. I’d have no problem making election day a national holiday if that’s what you’re worried about.

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Pennsylvania!!??!! That’s Spectre’s state.

Pennsylvania Democrats….bitterly clinging to votes out of frustration.

Aahhh Oooooooo!

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/27/watchdog-warns-seiu-contract-nevada-voting-machines-poses-fraud-concern/

No, there isn’t any reason to think that Nevada voting could be tainted in favour of the Dems, is there? SEIU overseeing the voting machines there for Godssake? Andy Sterns bunch? That is trully laughable. I see court cases on the horizon.

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Hummmmmm ………………………..

“CHICAGO (WLS) – Former President Bill Clinton’s ‘get out the vote’ rally for Democrats at a downtown Chicago hotel was the most unenthusiastic WLS veteran political reporter Bill Cameron has ever witnessed.

Clinton was an hour late for the Tuesday afternoon rally at the Palmer House and droned on for another hour, sending dozens of the few hundred Democrats in attendance for the exits.”

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Headline: “HILLARY FLEES USA FOR ELECTION!”

Hummmm ………….. interesting timing.

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This won’t be a problem as long as Nathan Deal pops up as Jay’s choice on Tuesday.

I seriously doubt he would be hysterical.

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Scout 5:15 the last word in the headline is
misspelled. replace l with r and you will see
the truth.

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I saw a guy today with an Obama bumper sticker on his car. He must have had ten tea bags in his mouth.

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barking frog :

HA !

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“HILLARY FLEES USA FOR ELECTION!”

She’ll be Ok…she can just vote with an absentee ballot

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So is the deficit gone yet?

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Fear mongering IS the Republican Mantra….. Fox News is the leader there.

What color are we today orange ?

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Looks like in Clark County Nevada, Prince Harry’s home town, the SEIU will be running the voting machines. Not to mention that group of people who were given sample ballots with Reid’s name pre-checked on the ballot. Voter fraud? Nah. Never happen.

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“people on the right aren’t scared to death by the idea of taking personal responsibility”

but they are scared of taking responsibility for stomping on young women after they’ve been knocked down and held there. In THOSE cases it’s the police’s fault for not stopping them, and therefore the young woman should be the one to apologize.

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Why don’t we just balance things out for the libs and get the Black Panthers involved?

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Doggone which is greater…the number of conservatives who have stomped on someone’s head. or the number of liberals who want handouts from government? I’d be willing to bet that the ratio is something on the order of 100,000,000 to 1.

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Doggone, has the left taken responsibility for the behavior of the Black Panthers in the last election?

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scout

I’d like to see malkin go up against rachel maddow. Just the facts, please.

By the way, it is a fact that jeb bush and katherine harris had over 60,000 african american voters scrubbed from precinct lists because their names were the same as some felons. Bush won florida by 538 votes, supposedly and gore won the popular vote by more than half a million. I didn’t hear any dems talking about 2nd amendment solutions in response.

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From WFTV.com in Orlando, FL

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. — Daytona Beach City Commissioner Derrick Henry and his campaign manager, Genesis Robinson, were arrested Wednesday, charged with committing absentee ballot fraud during Henry’s 2010 re-election campaign, the Volusia County Sheriff’s Office said. According to his Facebook page, Henry is nonpartisan, which means he has no party affiliation.

http://www.wftv.com/news/25536806/detail.html

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Deal is trash and Barnes is old news. Handel should have been the candidate.

On another note, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Stern

Nah, this guy’s union couldn’t possibly have a pro-progressive political agenda. And this union is overseeing the voting machines in Nevada?

And Lovely, who in this administration’s Justice Department would ever even persue any charges against ACORN as that would be the preverbial “shooting yourself in your own foot” syndrome? This makes your whole argument questionable and your party suspect. That is what happens when you have ideological zealots in charge.

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“Black Panthers in the last election”

What Black Panther behavior?

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“it’s quite possible that they WERE the felons in question?”

Guilty until proven innocent?

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Handel was a lightweight with no credentials and arguably with no proven ability.

Granted, she was no brazen thief like Nathan, but still a laughable candidate…

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scout

That’s kind of funny but the ability to use a weapon doesn’t always settle it; many can use their wit and courage to force an outcome to their advantage.

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Michelle Malkin

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Doggone, I’ll re-state my question, are you on the left going to take personal responisbility for hter actions of hte New Black Panthers?

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Well, I’m flat-out against voter fraud. It got on my doo-doo list after they come out a little over year ago and said they were going to start a big investigation. I quit driving to Rome to vote and coming back to Forsyth County to vote again right then. Now, I just settle for a absentee ballot for my dead Mom and going to the polling place to vote for myself.

The reason they can’t catch the voter fraud is, the people that do it are too sneaky. You never can tell when some old Grandma in the line to vote is really a illegal in disguise. I say strip them buck-nekkid and wipe off the makeup to make sure they are who they say they are. Forget showing voter ID. They’d just have their picture taken in their disguise.

Anyhow, it might not worry Bookman, but I stay awake at night worrying about if some librul is registered twice with two names and addresses. That kind of thing could cost us Conservatives a chance to take over Congress and get rid of welfare and SS and Medicaid and all kind of junk.

Have a good night everybody. It’s still raining and I guess I’ll just stay inside and learn the Truth from Fox News.

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The new black panthers? Kinda of like the new coke – not going anywhere with that harry, sorry it won’t make your day..

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. I was referring to voting machines. I just cannot help but believe the electronic variety could be more easily manipulated.

OMG!!! I AGREE with the Humper/Whine……everyone, please, call the one you love the most NOW!! The world is about to come to an end………..

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“are you on the left going to take personal responisbility for hter actions of hte New Black Panthers?”

Nope. They are perfectly capable of taking personal responsibility for their own actions. Are YOU going to take responsibility for the actions of those thugs in KY?

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ACORN workers were convicted of fraudulent voter registrations. Had they not been caught, this could have been used to perpetuate voter fraud. But again, I see no recent accusations of voter fraud so were did this line of thought come from?
Secondly, if there is voter fraud or attempted voter fraud it does indeed need to be dealt with harshly. They are, after all, screwing with the democtatic process with in this fine republic.

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From Wiki:

On The Civil Rights Act of 1964

Passage in the Senate

[President] Johnson, who wanted the bill passed as soon as possible, ensured that the bill would be quickly considered by the Senate. Normally, the bill would have been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee, chaired by Senator James O. Eastland, Democrat from Mississippi. Given Eastland’s firm opposition, it seemed impossible that the bill would reach the Senate floor. Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield took a novel approach to prevent the bill from being relegated to Judiciary Committee limbo. Having initially waived a second reading of the bill, which would have led to it being immediately referred to Judiciary, Mansfield gave the bill a second reading on February 26, 1964, and then proposed, in the absence of precedent for instances when a second reading did not immediately follow the first, that the bill bypass the Judiciary Committee and immediately be sent to the Senate floor for debate. Although this parliamentary move led to a filibuster, the senators eventually let it pass, preferring to concentrate their resistance on passage of the bill itself.

The bill came before the full Senate for debate on March 30, 1964 and the “Southern Bloc” of 18 southern Democratic Senators and one Republican Senator led by Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage.[5] Said Russell: “We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states.”[6]

The most fervent opposition to the bill came from Senator Strom Thurmond (D-SC): “This so-called Civil Rights Proposals, which the President has sent to Capitol Hill for enactment into law, are unconstitutional, unnecessary unwise and extend beyond the realm of reason. This is the worst civil-rights package ever presented to the Congress and is reminiscent of the Reconstruction proposals and actions of the radical Republican Congress.”[7]

After 54 days of filibuster, Senators Everett Dirksen (R-IL), Thomas Kuchel (R-CA), Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), and Mike Mansfield (D-MT) introduced a substitute bill that they hoped would attract enough Republican swing votes to end the filibuster. The compromise bill was weaker than the House version in regard to government power to regulate the conduct of private business, but it was not so weak as to cause the House to reconsider the legislation.[8]

On the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) completed a filibustering address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier opposing the legislation. Until then, the measure had occupied the Senate for 57 working days, including six Saturdays. A day earlier, Democratic Whip Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, the bill’s manager, concluded he had the 67 votes required at that time to end the debate and end the filibuster. With six wavering senators providing a four-vote victory margin, the final tally stood at 71 to 29. Never in history had the Senate been able to muster enough votes to cut off a filibuster on a civil rights bill. And only once in the 37 years since 1927 had it agreed to cloture for any measure.[9]

On June 19, the substitute (compromise) bill passed the Senate by a vote of 73–27, and quickly passed through the House-Senate conference committee, which adopted the Senate version of the bill. The conference bill was passed by both houses of Congress, and was signed into law by President Johnson on July 2, 1964.[10]

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jay, about that kosher comment…I’m not looking to pour salt in the wound, but shouldn’t you thoroughly research a topic before putting forth your argument.

I’m not a journalist, but I do have an opinion about opinion journalists.

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Ooooooo, oooooo FOIST!

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Folks act like voter fraud, and charges of such, are some big news. It goes with the terrritory. It’s part and parcel of the voting process just about any place that has elections…

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BADA BING
@ 6:04

I second that….

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Folks, What is wrong with having to present a picture ID in order to vote?
You have to present a picture ID to cash your welfare check and social security check, so why not add the precaution to our system of casting a vote.
I lived in LA for 6 years and witnessed first hand ILLEGAL aliens casting votes. There were plenty of dark clouds over the Loretta Sanchez electoral victory.(illegal aliens voting, dead people casting ballots, etc.)

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josef@6:06

Not in canada because they still use paper ballots and have the highest standards worldwide. They are us and we are them but we are not all together….goo…goo..gojoob..

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Where do Black immigrants come from and if
they vote they must be citizens, thus Americans,
and genetically as African as other Americans.

splain me lucy…..

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usmc dawg

You are absolutely correct sir,,,I have to show photo Id – no problema…..I had to be fingerprinted for employment, again no problem. Citizens give up fingerprints and ID for passports, this is the 21st century, right?

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“Transcripts of a conference call between the groups — which may itself be illegal, since political parties are not supposed to coordinate with non-profit organizations”— Keep up the good fight!

So do Acorn, NAACP, etc. and the Democratic Party not coordinate with each other?

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Mick
Lived outside Vancouver, and believe me, there were many questionable elections. New Westminster was, well, notorious! A fairly decent record, to be sure, but it’s still part of the dialogue and especially in close elections,,,

USMC DAWG
How did you know they were illegal alien voters?

BADA

Great to hear…spent the afternoon working with my Peruvian colleague…pleasant time despite the hair pulling on meeting the bureaucracy’s latest dictates! I guess you saw that our man Vargas Llosa won the Nobel? Finally, they’re back to picking a deserving winner, IMO…

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How’d that “fund raising week” promotion go at NPR last week?

The liberals haven’t just driven off into a ditch, they’ve slammed the whole cruise ship into an entire marina.

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“How’d that “fund raising week” promotion go at NPR last week?”

In Atlanta it’s two weeks and it’s still going on. Ends on Friday.

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Bagged and tagged or is it tagged and bagged?

A Pakistani-born US citizen was arrested Wednesday on charges of plotting to carry out a coordinated bombing attack on Metrorail stations in suburban Virginia near Washington, D.C.

Farooque Ahmed of Ashburn, Va., was charged in a three-count indictment with attempting to provide material support to individuals he believed to be members of Al Qaeda.

From April 18 to Oct. 21, Mr. Ahmed is alleged to have participated in what he thought was an effort to plan massive, multiple bombings of crowded Metrorail trains. In fact, he was under close government surveillance the whole time.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/1027/Feds-nab-man-allegedly-plotting-to-bomb-D.C.-Metro-stations

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@Doggone:

And Why doesn’t ACORN exist anymore?……… Bingo!

You just proved our point. Thanks:-)

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I have worked at a high-level on some notable campaigns and will tell you that there are people willing to do things that the average voter would find unethical and that should be illegal. There are certain groups who will “get out the vote” if you pay them enough. Church leaders, union officials and such are all up for sale when it comes to using buses, organization lists and staff to pick people up and have them vote. But it doesn’t come cheap. You have to pay these guys to do it for you – personally, not as a donation to their group – and it is sad and, imo, immoral.

I could also point to cases like the union leaders and the New Black Panther party as showing how there are still people who want to manipulate voters. It has always gone on with ALL political groups, not just Democrats, but it DOES go on. Voters just have to stand up to them and VOTE THEM OUT OF POWER. I can’t wait until Tuesday. It is going to be a pleasure to vote against the SOCIALIST MOVEMENT.

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USMC
I’m not at all opposed to showing an ID at the door to vote…makes sense to me, and I’m not entirely sure it shouldn’t be the feds’ passport…state IDs are TOO easy to come by…I was just wondering how you knew they were illegal. I wasn’t trying to play “gotcha” at all…I’ve got lots of “illegal” friends, colleagues and neighbors. I haven’t, though, seen them at my polling station…

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@Barking Frog…. Really. That’s all you’ve got.

Is it that hard to show your Drivers Lic to prove your a citizenship?

That’s not responsible.

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As a libertarian/conservative I have a controversial proposal but I believe it’s time to deploy it.

The US needs a National ID Card. I recently renewed my passport and added the PassCard for an extra $20 (I think). It’s the same size as a drivers license but extremely secure and unquestionable.

i think driver’s licenses ought to “piggyback” onto the USID.

I also think voter, citizenship, criminal and financial crime could be dealt with far more safely, quickly and effectively.

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@joseph:

I had a great experience in LA, but I sure woke up to the realities of Illegal Immigration. I too have friends, etc. that are illegal. But I think they (not all, but most) have worn out their welcome with their demanding attitudes, etc. I am glad that we agree on the basic notion of proving citizenship to vote.

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Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
6:27 pm

Maybe I’m wrong but I thought I heard something about them possibly changing their name and by doing so they would still get some Federal $$.

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Dawg…if you are truly interested in all the reasons you can read the briefs filed by Barnes.

Here are links to a similar matter at the Brenan Center including a brief by Cathy Cox

Notwithstanding your claim, in-person voter fraud is extremely rare. Systematic election fraud as perpetrated by Rove and others is more likely.

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“Maybe I’m wrong but I thought I heard something about them possibly changing their name and by doing so they would still get some Federal $$”

Well, I didn’t read the whole site, but there was nothing mentioned in the “about us” that I did read.

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@barking Frog:
“Point being a driver’s license proves nothing except you
were willing to make a little effort to get one legally or
illegally. We should have an exact way to identify everyone.
That’s responsible.”

You one upped me. I agree with you, but the Dems don’t want that. They say it is “RACIST” and disenfranchises people.

just saying

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USMC DAWG
They’re getting uppity, aren’t they? Seriously, though, the rest of my opinions concernig the illegals may be well to the left of center, but when it comes to voting, I’m a stickler for the citizenship thingie…

RW

So THAT’s why!. I also want to know where to get one of those tax deferrment cards so’s I don’t have to pay that extra percent at the check out line or the filling station, take that part off my rent, get my dog licensed for free…

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“They say it is “RACIST” and disenfranchises people.”

Only if there is a charge for an ID card if the person is not a driver. Charging for a plain ID card for voting purposes is the same thing as a “poll tax” and is unconstitutional.

And not ALL “Dems” agree with your statement. This one doesn’t.

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Leg Lamp, after I became a civilian, and was 22, my buddies would basically coerce me into joining them on Friday or Saturday nights and we’d go to the 747 nightclub in Buffalo. BIG time disco with lots of Italian stallions, gold necklaces, gaudy clothes, etc..

The scene and music was horrible; people were big time into cigarettes and doing cocaine. etc. And I was already at a point in my life where I was done with my wild drug-fueled days. (I got in and out early.)

But at least the dancing girls made it tolerable for short periods…

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OK, gang. Off to the gym for some pain. Seeya later, peeps…

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On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year.

submitting forms does not equal voter fraud.

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I lived in LA for 6 years and witnessed first hand ILLEGAL aliens casting votes.

How did you know they were illegal? Did they wear a sign?

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They accept my driver’s license as proof of who I am whenever I go vote and that’s good enough for me.

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Debbie,
C
an you read my response to the same question?

Or did you just arrive on the Little Yellow Bus?

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RW

I flat out refuse to get a Georgia state ID on political grounds…if the occupation authorities say I’m a good person (passport) what more do I need…the looks I get when I make that statement are worth the added time!

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A young lady lies in a grave in our town and has for many
years with no id possible. She was found on the side of
the Interstate with no id. The fear of the Mark of The Beast
or Hitler’s tattos or anything else that makes this happen
should be overcome so her family and others like them
could find some peace.

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Well, when was Texas vs. New York that was easy. Now, when it is San Fran vs. Texas it’s a little more difficult. Who to root for? Since we’re a NL town I guess I’ll root for San Fran.

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Mark my words, by the end of this election, illegal aliens will have figured out how easy it is, to check off Senator Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and even Jerry Brown on absentee ballots? This is not just saying Voter fraud is prevalent in the Border States, but every state is equally at risk. Consider the situation that Border States are heavily impregnated with foreign nationals, more so in California, Nevada, New Mexico and Texas. That Senator Harry Reid has promised them some form of mass path to citizenship, if they vote for him in this midterm. Now when illegal aliens have already committed one offense by entering America, so committing a second crime by voting is certainly insignificant to people after the first crime. The fact that potentially filling out a registration forms to vote at home, opens a gaping loophole in the voting process.

It is a certainty that hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant homes have in that family circle at least one unprocessed person, therefore illegal entrant. That anybody can get from the Post Office, Drivers License Department a voter registration or by canvassers of which Acorn had the monopoly of this vulnerable system. Senator Reid has already proved this, by–BUYING–votes for himself, with free food and drinks. Other questions should be asked about Union who have a past history of voter fraud, should not be allowed any intimate contact with electronic voting machines. or within certain any legal distance near polling sites. Then again, in Orange County Democrats gave illegal aliens the right to prospect for votes in neighborhoods. With majority leader Harry Reid promising-AMNESTY, that any new administration and then–whatever political party is seated–better take note of the public’s fury that the majority of Americans will not sign on to any form of Amnesty whatsoever. IF ANY POLITICAL PARTY OR GOVERNMENT AGENCY HAD ANY TRUE COMMITMENT TO HALTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, THEY WOULD MAKE ILLEGAL ENTRY A CLASS ONE FELONY?

Of any open border Liberal impersonating a Dem delivering AMNESTY, to the 13 to 20 million illegal foreigners over here is–dead meat. GOOGLE–Voter Fraud; or Illegal alien costs; Another concern is that the Democrats voted–YES–on, is “totalization” agreement between the U.S. and Mexico that would grant Social Security benefits to Mexicans, including some who are here illegally, even if they didn’t work in the U.S. long enough to qualify for Social Security benefits. Our Senior Citizens have been gainfully employed all their life’s and these demented souls in Washington, want to share our weak Social Security and pensions with illegal aliens? GOOGLE–illegal aliens and Social Security.

Less educated citizens have been brain-washed to believe that this seventh AMNESTY isn’t going to cost the taxpayers–ANYTHING. But ask Robert Rector, Chief analyst at the Heritage Foundation that taxes will go up, to pay the 2.6 TRILLION dollar bill. Slowly this federal government is growing and spreading and we can only hope that the Tea Party candidates will begin reduction in this monstrosity. Yesterday the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals yesterday threw out part of an Arizona law requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote, but left standing a section requiring registered voters to present proof of identification to cast a ballot. This at least can divorce most non-citizen voters from casting a vote. This is extremely significant in tight races, when only say 800 voters can have a completely different outcome to who goes to Washington or State assembly.

To be fair, every polling location should have one Democrat and one Republican and an Independent as oversight referees to check for absentee ballots irregularities. This is where the honor system is most weak. With the money wasted by Democrats, Republicans it would be prudent to have a national Voter Identification card, with fingerprint and picture to halt for good any form of spurious voting. Vote for Candidates of the TEA PARTY, as our agenda is to remove the taint of escalating power of an out-of-control government, shrinking its size, reintroduce the instruction of the US CONSTITUTION and return the empowerment of the People from the overzealous and arrogant politicians. Tea Party will conform to the citizens referendum and not to the Socialist plan of President Obama and the majority of Democrats.

The Tea Party will not become political pawns of the Republican Party , its elitists views or any philosophies that is epidemic of GOP demagogues. The Tea Party is a very large moderate Conservative percentage to return these United States of America back to its people.

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“A young lady lies in a grave in our town and has for many years with no id possible”

Not to rain on your sob story parade, but you’re making a couple of assumptions..the biggest of which is that she HAD a family to mourn her. There really are people in the world who have no family. And the second is that if she HAD a family, your assuming THEY did NOT have something to do with her death.

My memory on the subject is fuzzy, but I believe a national ID card is unconstitutional…which is why we do not have a national system of drivers licensing.

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Methinks Francis may need her/his meds……

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Josef -

You’re a regular and you seem like a reasonable person.

I suggested a National ID Card “similar” to the US PassCard. I’m soory the soldiers turned you away. That seems dumb but I’ll bet they were following orders and procedures.

Again – I’m talking about a secure National ID for all US citizens…. Yes I understand it’s controversial but I also believe the time has come and it should get done. State drivers licenses could “piggyback” onto the USID… Remember – Driving is not a right. It is a privilege granted by each individual state.

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@Debbie-Does-Dallas:

You prove the point that you can’t argue with a fool. I will just leave it at that.

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DDR
Okay, advocatus diaboli here, but in tackling USMC, do bear in mind that the personal relationships ARE there above and beyond th political…

But as for that USMC and not Army, Navy, etc…I’ve wondered that one myself…but then Unmentionalble’s folks are usually USAF and our boy is Army…

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Dawg – I didn’t see your mama was on this blog!!! Tell her I said “hi”

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I’ve got a dd214 and an Honorable Dischage that says USMC, Parris Island ‘1989.
What do you have Debbie?

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All I had to do was read the first page and realize this is bound to become some liberal/conservative circle jerk. I’m so fed up with both sides, I’m ready to run a commercial of me giving both parties the middle finger and telling everyone to f’ off until they can start acting like grownups. I’ll see y’all sometime after the first week of November… This crap is getting old

Have fun rehasing the same tired arguments…. Talk about Nero fiddling while Rome is burning, You all are a full functioning orchestra.

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josef

Good call on vancouver, I was trying to give it the old heave ho and see if you fell for it. Human nature is just that.

usmc

Please do not tar all dems. I have no problem showing ID and think all citizens should have one. Howeve,r if there are any old folk who do not have photo ID but can prove they are who they are, I have no problem letting them vote. The game is get out the vote and thrre are more registered democrats than repubs. This will be settled by next week and then we start blaming a new.

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Debbie versus Dawg — Hmmm

Bringing someone’s “mama” into this blog?

Sunflower vs. Leatherneck

Sunflower Socialist = LOSE EVERY TIME

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mmmm…..That Debbie would put Dudley in his place…and his horse too!

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Soothsayer: I have never nor would ever glorify death or “pump” my chest about the military.

But I don’t need to hide it either. Trust me, I loathe people that smother you with the fact that they served our country. You do your duty and move on.

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John Monds is far more qualified for Governor of Georgia than Al Franken or Barack Obama when he got elected.

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“None of the people on this blog is past 55″

Are you sure of that?

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usmc

I got my honorable discharge from the USCG in may, 1989. So, I guess we went through the same time warp being in the reagan era military.

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@ Doggone: “None of the people on this blog is past 55″

Are you sure of that?”

Yeah Doggone, She is sure of everything…

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Dang,I just realized what day it was.One week from today, and the conservatives and tea partiers are going to be partying like Charlie Sheen in a New York hotel with a hooker !

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paul

**Both sides need an underhanded, nefarious conspiracy to explain why the voters didn’t do the smart thing and give their candidate the victory!**

Damn that makes too much sense, please let us have our conspiracies….

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’ve got a dd214 and an Honorable Dischage that says USMC, Parris Island ‘1989.
What do you have Debbie?

I’ve got a funny story – as relayed to me by my father:

OK let me paint the picture….this was during the Viet Nam War and they still had the draft. Anyway, my father, who’d just married my mom, didn’t want to wait around to get drafted so he went to the induction center to get, i don’t know, legally drafted or something. So he has to take this exam to test his aptitude or something, and he’s in this room with all these other guys taking this test. So, after the test, the Sgt. comes in and says “All you guys in this first row are now proud Marines”. My father, who breathed a sigh of relief that he wasn’t gonna be a Marine, later on asked the Sgt how did they pick those guys to be the marines. The Sgt said, these were the guys, when told to read the entire instructions first THEN take the test, when they read the last line of the directions they were asked to put their name on lines 1, 8, 12, 16, and 25; and they only put their names on line 1. The SGT that’s a true Marine — too dense to follow directions.

BTW The Sgt was in in the Army.

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Yessir, DEMS/Libs always as pure as the driven snow. REPS/Conservatives evil, bad, always evil.
Yep, that’s about it. Please read our blogs tomorrow.

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Hi DDR!!!

“Oh yeah sure they did!! They came up to you, Average American Citizen, and for no reason whatsoever said “Hey Amigo, I am illegal — I am going to vote tomorrow”.

Yep. I believe it happened just like that too…”

Well darling, ya’ never know….

“Illegal immigrants get out the vote for Democrats

Illegal immigrants are getting out the vote for Democrats.

Seattle Times

When Maria Gianni is knocking on voters’ doors, she’s not bashful about telling people she is in the country illegally.

She knows it’s a risk to advertise this fact to strangers — but it’s one worth taking in what she sees as a crucial election.

The 42-year-old is one of dozens of volunteers — many of them illegal immigrants — canvassing neighborhoods in the Seattle area trying to get naturalized citizens to cast a ballot for candidates like Democratic Sen. Patty Murray, who is in a neck-and-neck race with Republican Dino Rossi.

Pramila Jayapal, head of OneAmerica Votes, says the campaign is about empowering immigrants who may not feel like they can contribute to a campaign because they can’t vote.

“Immigrants really do matter,” Jayapal said. “If we can’t vote ourselves, we’re gonna knock on doors or get family members to vote.”

So far, the illegal immigrants going door to door aren’t meeting opposition…”

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Debbie and USMC: maybe you two should consider a truce. Debbie is a barrister and “loves” to argue!

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Eyescans, finger prints, passwords, facial recognition, etc., all only confirm that you do not vote more than once if the software and database are in place to do the checking. However, you still have to provide proof of your right to vote initially in order to obtain your accepted form of ID and what form of proof do you provide when obtaining that ID that all here will accept without question. If a driver’s license can be forged then so can a birth certificate (at least the short form but I don’t know about that long form since it may actually contain a permanent DNA record obtained at birth) and you’re right back where you started. So, I say as long as all those tens of millions of illegal voters show a little sense and vote against the Republicans, I’m good with it. Serves ‘em right for not fixing their latest fear revival when they had the chance, most recently at least, while Bush was in office.

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“but NO old people music.”

Not a good test. I never post music…and I like acid rock, hard rock, classical…hate jazz and the blues.

Oh, and BTW…I’m 59

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Jay

October 27th, 2010
6:18 pm
@@, the case isn’t resolved yet. Nobody can know for sure whether it is or is not a problem.
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Jay, you wrote:

It doesn’t work. Mythology aside, ACORN has never been charged, let alone convicted, of any effort to subvert free and fair elections.

Then someone shows where your statement is false concerning being charged and then you moved to a higher standard.

In the same article that @@ presented was the following:
Elsewhere, Washington state prosecutors fined Acorn $25,000 after several employees were convicted of voter registration fraud in 2007. The group signed a consent decree with King County (Seattle), requiring it to beef up its oversight or face criminal prosecution. In the 2008 election, Acorn’s practices led to investigations, some ongoing, in 14 other states.

I don’t believe their is widespread voter fraud but anything we can do to bring more integerity to the election system I am in favor.

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Former ACORN worker convicted of election fraud http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/101418199.html

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OK! Who do you like? San Fran or Texas. Let me hear it!

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“What about the Illegal Alien working for the Dems to “get out the vote” as per Paul at 7:20?”

I don’t know about Jay’s opinion…but I don’t have a problem with it. There’s no law against canvassing people who are eligible to vote to actually get out and DO it.

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It’s confessions night. I’m older than 55 too.

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The GAO 6.2010 report also showed that four of six FBI investigations into alleged voter fraud committed by ACORN employees were closed due to lack of evidence. The two other investigations were also closed and referred to local and state jurisdictions.

The report detailed five cases in which ACORN employees pled guilty to misdemeanor counts of voter registration fraud, but stated that these cases did not allege any wrongdoing on behalf of ACORN or any affiliated organizations. In fact, ACORN offered materials to local election officials that helped initiate the prosecution of the guilty individuals, and each case stated that ACORN had properly trained the individuals to legally register voters.

Now shall we talk about Rove and the DOJ. Maybe more caging?

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PAUL
@ 7:16

Why are they backtracking? Well, according to the more rational ones, they went back and put the sound bite into context and realized just what a stupid knee jerk and memo-riddled ride thay had gone on….

The upshot of that Ft, Bragg silliness? The correspondence between me and the NC Senators’ and Representative’s office is a work! I got all kinds of apologies and explanations, but not response to my point, “well, fine and good, but it sure put a crimp in my day with my boy just back from defending the “American way” in Iraq…

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DDR
Not over 55? Flattery will get you everywhere!

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@ Doggone/GA: ” I don’t have a problem with it. There’s no law against canvassing people who are eligible to vote to actually get out and DO it.”

Are you kidding me? You have know problem with outside agents interfering with our election system?

That just sounds totally irresponsible.

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Mick @ 5:46

“That’s kind of funny but the ability to use a weapon doesn’t always settle it; many can use their wit and courage to force an outcome to their advantage.”

………. and the gun is what ensures wit and courage have a chance.

The Gun is Civilization
by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

“Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.
People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation… and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.”

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Keep Up 7:25

I liked it that they hadn’t experienced any negative reaction. Kinda humanizes the situation.

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The 42-year-old is one of dozens of volunteers — many of them illegal immigrants — canvassing neighborhoods in the Seattle area trying to get naturalized citizens to cast a ballot for candidates like Democratic Sen. Patty Murray, who is in a neck-and-neck race with Republican Dino Rossi.

Good for her. Kick ass, take names.

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“You have know problem with outside agents interfering with our election system?”

Interfering? Getting eligible voters to vote is interfering? Interesting take on who should and who should not vote that you have.

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DDR

“So that more or less doesn’t support dawg’s argument.”

I cited it in response to the idea someone would walk up and identify themselves as an illegal.

But the other point – about the response they got – there were a couple incidents during Vietnam when long-haired, bearded and tie-dyed clad students would go door to door soliciting signatures on a petition. Response from most was “get off my doorstep you commie hippie dirtbag! Peddling that commie propaganda!”

’twas the Declaration of Independence -

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“(Soothsayer – Your wife would shoot me if she knew my visual of you)”

ALAS! no wife. Been through 3. Now enjoy a life of blissful solitude! No one to gripe at me. No one to wait on to get ready. And no one to . . .

Honey? Does this dress make my ass look big? No, it looks big all by itself! (On how to get divorced)

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Sadly neither you nor the DOJ or Obama care if Black Panthers intimidate people at the voting booth. If the Klan had done the same…

Democrats are holding back military ballots in New York and Illinois so of course there is outrage. Everyone knows Democrats lie and cheat.

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josef nix

“but not response to my point, “well, fine and good, but it sure put a crimp in my day with my boy just back from defending the “American way” in Iraq… ”

That gate guard needs an attitude adjustment…

DDR

“What happens to a dream deferred?”

I’ve one of you. Let’s see…. what’s the word…. oh yeah…. yowza!!!

That, and the realization to never get you really ticked unless I can do a six minute mile…..

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PAUL

Since you’re here, a bit off topic, but what the hell, he may be one of them there anchor babies…but tell your teachers that I’m walking on air tonight…major breakthrough with my “worst case” one today, with no prodding and of his own free will, traced his numbers 1-20, picked up the scissors, cut them out neatly and arranged in proper order! This is the one who was, well, “out there…” Kinda puts all the rest of it into proper perspective. Native born, United States citizen…he’ll vote one day and I sincerely hope he puts as much quiet attention to what is being said as he did this!

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“Black Panthers intimidate people at the voting booth”

Oh how easy it is to identify the people too lazy to read back a bit. You’re LATE, this has already been covered. Can’t you come up with a lie that HASN’T been discussed already?

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josef: DDR – It dries up like a raisin in the sun….

oooh josef…..i LOVE it when you go all literary on me and start speaking in prose. It makes me hot!!

Soothsayer: AND no one to tell you/make you to go to the doctor, one less egg to fry, one less bell to answer…..

Oh wait, that’s a song….(I’m not gonna bother with the fancy links!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzWPZP0iVlE

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MMM David: Research Richard Nixon taking the U.S. off the gold standard in 1973. It was done because of the Vietnam War debt. And, good ol’ Jimmah paid the price.

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“AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM !”

Don’t forget…the Fed buys gold at wholesale, not retail.

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” fraudulent voter registration is the first step to casting fraudulent votes.”

Yes, BUT…remember that most (all?) states require 3rd parties who collect voter registrations to turn them ALL in. ALL of them. That’s to obviate any charges that the 3rd party is fraudulently NOT turning in registrations. Bottom line: it is the STATE’S responsibility to verify registrations, not any 3rd party.

And ACORN (as they have been brought up) quite often alerted the registration officials to registrations they have received that they thought might be fraudulent. But yes, they DID turn them all in…as they were required to do.

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With all the bogus emails and fraudulent claims coming out from the right, I’d be a lot more concerned about voter fraud on the right as well. Since they have no conscience about the garbage they put out as fact I doubt they have the integrity to not commit voter fraud.

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DebbieDoRight

October 27th, 2010
7:09 pm
frog: Airman here. Could be because none were doing that as they were too busy defending your right to say that.

None of the people on this blog is past 55 – since the last war to “defend my freedom of speech” was fought during WWII (NOT Korea, Not Viet Nam, certainly NOT Desert Storm I & II nor in Iraq); I’d say you may be a bit off on that one
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I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

This Debbie is the oath that I took when I enlisted. Given your legal
training and psychic abilities I would have thought that you knew that.
I was not given the latitude to choose where I would go, or which
battles i would participate in or what I would do. Unlike the civilian
dependents of which you were a member enlistees got no free ride.
Unfortunately Fathers in the military were often unable to give their
children training in respect and discipline as your example so readily
testifies to. IF your husband is actually a Marine possibly at some
time he can correct this lack of training. I am now more understanding
of Dick Cheney and why he shot a lawyer in the face.

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ACORN does not exist and has been defunded and disbanded after the fake pimp/hooker right wing stooges staged and recorded an undercover cpaer against one of the local offices. Do you right wing loons watch the real news? Geeze!

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but NO old people music.

Well, Debbie, I’m 68, and the last time I checked, I was still sentient. You may be betraying your youth with your “no one over 55″ statement.

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“ACORN does not exist ”

YOu obviously did not read previous posts either. Their website still exists and there is no mention on it of being disbanded. At least, as I already posted, not on the pages I had time to read.

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Dog – you missed the point.

a gold eagle is legal tender for purchases at WalMart or Kroger but it only buys $20 worth of stuff.

Why?

Why is The US Mint required by law to produce gold and silver coins?

Why are those coins made of precious metals only worth “dog stuff” yet they are legal tender for all debts public and private?

The Congress for almost 100 years has ignored the law so they can spend.

A Brief History of The American Dollar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FiaUpeJxcA

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Paul: That, and the realization to never get you really ticked unless I can do a six minute mile…..

Too funny!!

josef: “”Call me Ishmael.” Just testing………………

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“and I have the right to protest”

Maybe we need to get USMC in your class…so he can learn why there’s nothing wrong with illegal immigrants canvassing their legally eligible neighbors and relatives to get out and vote.

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“but it only buys $20 worth of stuff.”

If someone is dumb enough to buy a $20 dollar coin at market value (which is higher than it’s face value) and then try to SPEND it and expect to get more than $20 worth of goods, they’re stupid enough to go on with.

The US mint website says this: “An American Eagle’s value is based on the market price of its metal content, plus a small premium to cover coinage and distribution. ”

http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/american_eagles/?flash=yes&action=american_eagle_gold

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“so he can learn why there’s nothing wrong with illegal immigrants canvassing their legally eligible neighbors and relatives to get out and vote.”

Sorry, don’t agree. You folks really think it would be Ok if Chavez or Imanutjob or any other sent his “illegals” in to this country to sway voters on their behalf??

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PAUL

Yep. It’s just that which keeps us plugging along! There’s nothing in my life that makes me feel as if I am leaving the world a better place for my having past through it. If those lambasting teachers only knew just what THAT means…

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josef: DDR – Still think he’s probably the greatest of the 20th Century American poets!

oh josef….if you ever think about leaving “whats-iz-name” and I think about leaving “whatchamacallit”, will you marry me? I’ll let you wear the boa every M,W,&Fri nights. I am just feeling you here!!

Curious Obsever AND md you guys too!!!?!! Please no one else tell me your age, let me just have my sweet memories of you just the way I’ve imagined. (Except for Whine no sweet memories there……I still think he’s 21 and lives in his mother’s basement, tied to her apron strings).

josef: DDR – Speaking of the klan, I made a lot of folks mad as hell when I joined the ACLU in defending their right to march in Skokie…

Yeah. Remember a few years back when there was this big uproar about John….(Braves Relief pitcher that made all those comments about NY and indigents in the Sports Illustrated issue); anyway, I did the same thing. He had every right to say what he felt, that’s why all those men died in WWII to stop Japan and Germany from making their reality our hell.

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josef nix

“When I found out how old DDR was, I was blown out of the water! I had been treating her as an “equal!” ”

It’s the ageof the mind, not the age of the body -

My sis just called. Had a staff development meeting, open to all. She was tired but went. There were twelve guest speakers – all Tuskegee Airmen. Aged 82-92. All spoke of their experiences and their attitudes. All were very successful later in life, too. One of the boys at her school did a report on them 15 years back, his dad got in touch, asked them to speak and ever since they’ve come out to the schools in the district to speak (the district is naming a new school after them). That is truly wonderful.

One story – one of the men was a POW. Said American forces liberated the camp, he was sent back to a post in the midwest. German prisoners were held at the post, in barracks. He, on the other hand, was consigned to tents with the other Black officers…..

Remember that coffee cup I liked? The one that said “Don’t let the b@st@rds get you down”? He didn’t. Wonderful attitude.

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A secure US National ID Card would practically eliminate this topic, identity theft, criminal activity and other forms of fraud.

Not a citizen – No card. No card – no relief.

Yeah, because no one has ever been able to fake IDs.

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“They certainly aren’t out doing it just to turn out the vote ”

And you hve proof of that? Please present it.

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I get it now………..it is OK if they are “your” illegals……………..

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Dog – You’re still missing the point.

The US Mint creates $20 gold coins that are legal tender.

Why?

Did you click the link?

Do you understand that the Mint is required by law to produce gold and silver coins… Dollars and Eagles?

Why?

What is a $1 Federal Reserve Note? Is it a dollar bill?

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Dear Kamchack,

Try to fake a Passport…. It’s possible but very difficult and carries a heavy prison sentence if convicted.

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josef –

President Woodrow Wilson, Grand Master of The Progressive Movement, later decried, “”I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence.”

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DebbieDoRight

October 27th, 2010
8:22 pm
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If you think the enlisted oath of office is BS, how can you
possibly be an officer of the court? Your psychic abilities
are lacking again as I am probably more liberal than anyone
you know and have been since I was 55 or maybe before.
As in the training of children, discipline and respect do
not constitute abuse, spousal or otherwise. I don’t do
tantrums but arguments with professional forked tongues
do stimulate my verbiage.

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josef: DDR – “Call Me Ishmael?” Whoah, Girl, once again you surprize me! Isn’t THAT one a work to make you stop and rethink what it is you thought you thought? Reread it again this summer!

oh josef, what a big…..ummmmm brain you have!! …………sigh…..

When a man keeps beating me to the draw mentally, he begins to get glamorous.
- Zora Neale Hurston

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Ok Kamchack…. Then we shouldn’t do nuthin’ Eff it. If ur here you have a right to vote, evade law enforcement, go to school, get medical treatment and be President sumday.

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Doggone/GA

I liked your response better.

Again.

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“but it’s less of a “those people” mind set ”

But *I* have not said anything about that, or anything like it. I am focused on his (and md’s) inability to understand that there is nothing subversive, or even WRONG with even illegal immigrants cavassing their LEGALLY ELIGIBLE neighbors and relatives to get out and vote.

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“do you have the same objections to gays canvassing to get out the vote? Or the handicapped? Or Republicans? Democrats? LIbertarians? Redheaeds? Blondes? How about the elderly? Do you object to them canvassing for get out the vote? They all have an agenda, you know. So if you don’t like an illegal immigrant cavassing then you should object to ANYONE doing that…because EVERYONE can be twisted into having SOME kind of agenda.”

No problem with any of them, unless they are here illegally.

Again, do you like the idea of Chavez sending people in?? Imanutjob sending in Iranians?? Putin sending in the KGB??? All would be illegal………but what you seem to be doing is picking and choosing as to who would be OK and who would not.

Unless you think it to be OK for all??

Personally, I prefer not to do for one what I will not do for all………

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Dog – One more time with all due respect.

Do you understand that the US mint produces “lawful money” currency made of precious metals?

It’s real money.

Your paper dollar Federal Reserve Note is BS.

It’s a simple question, with all due respect. Why is the government required by law to produce gold and silver coins?

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i did click the link. The fed is satan.

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“It’s a simple question, with all due respect. Why is the government required by law to produce gold and silver coins?”

Here’s a counter question: why do you object to it?

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Ok Kamchack…. Then we shouldn’t do nuthin’ Eff it.

Wow.

Drama queen much?

You were making an absolutist argument that some kind of “fool proof” ID would solve all problems involving identity, and I was merely pointing out that every time someone comes out with a “fool proof” ID, it is almost immediately faked.

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Doggone
@ 8:37

Point taken. I wasn’t assuming that you were making that point, but just that in his statements, USMC did make the point that these were people that he did have personal contact with….and I agree with you entirely that the “illegals” have every right to lobby their case…as do we all, it’s the American way…

DDR
“Sometimes, I feel discriminated against, but it does not make me angry. It merely astonishes me. How can any deny themselves the pleasure of my company? It’s beyond me.” Zora Neal Hurston

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Doggone
5:29pm

re: Stomping ..Someone here on a post actually stated that the young woman should have been kicked harder!!!!! OMG how low have we sunk?

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DebbieDoRight

October 27th, 2010
8:38 pm
I was pizzed because he inferred that my father didn’t “train” me or something. Like I’m a dog!!
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I IMPLIED that your training in respect and discipline was lacking,
possibly due to your Father attending to his duties as a soldier, You
INFERRED that made you like a dog and INFERRED that your ex-
marine husband could not instill any respect or discipline without
being abusive, which is totally incorrect. Welcome to blog court.

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Kamchack – sarcasm.

Dog – I believe in the rule of “lawful money”. I don’t object to it. I want it to be the law of the land again.

Governments can’t print precious metals. This is why economies have moved away from them in the last 100 years. They can spend and twist the numbers when they don’t have to back their sh*t up with wealth.

Fiat currencies are a ponzi scheme and gold is way too high at $1400… It’s a bubble.

Reality should be 800-900 per oz.

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huh?

Gold and silver coin are Lawful Money. A Federal Reserve Note is not.

Am I wrong?

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Nolan Ryan looks just as intimidating sitting in the stands as he did on the mound. Gnight y’all

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Just look at the last Senate election in Minnesota and then tell me if Republicans are over reacting….AL Franken is now a sitting US senator because of voter fraud and if you think he is the only one then I have a bridge to sell in lower manhattan

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“AL Franken is now a sitting US senator because of voter fraud ”

If you’ve got proof of that, why haven’t you presented it to the court that investigated that election?

Answer: because it’s a lie

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Delayed response here. My husband’s been schoolin’ me on the drum saw and band sander. I’m (we’re) making a dining room table.

saywhat:

Say whaaaat!!??!!

@@ disagrees with this conclusion, and continues to purport widespread fraud by Democratic voters and organizations……..blah, blah, blah

I think I mentioned one proven case of voter fraud back in 1993. I then went on to the in sending out absentee ballots to our military overseas.

To @@ , this somehow constitutes “proof” that the “widespread fraud” was going on all along, just as she thought, and Jay was way over the line to say otherwise

I was teasing, jay so you can give him back his pants now. They’re too big for you…’ya little pip sqe-e-a-a-k.

That ^^^ was fun.

‘Scuse me, I’ve got wood waiting.

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Oops!

Make that BAND saw and DRUM sander.

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Kamchak:

I think I mentioned one proven case of voter fraud back in 1993. I then went on to the in sending out absentee ballots to our military overseas.

Fix ^^^ that typo.

I LOVE power tools. Blogging? Not so much.

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Kamchak:

Fix ^^^ that typo.

Huh?

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scout

Ever notice that not all people depend on a weapon to define their manhood. One thing is for sure; one can practically have a weapon at their disposal most times but the true warrior has his wits ALL the time.

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I live in Cobb County. I voted early. The line was 20-30 people and it was out the door. The line moved quickly. I filled out the sheet, presented my drivers license, got verified via some poll worker typing on her laptop. She gave me my card and it took maybe 2-3 minutes and I got my station.

I’ve never seen so many (L) candidates.

The Amendments and Judges part is what’s so hard to understand.

Why is it so difficult to find out what we’re being asked to vote for or against?

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“I can tell you categorically that this is not a statement of regret for having created the Federal Reserve. Wilson never had any regrets for having done that. It was an accomplishment in which he took great pride.”

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DDR 9:31 Apology accepted..STELLLAA!!!

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Kamchak:

Huh?

You like to fix typos. I made one just for you.

See….I do care.

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The charge that liberal groups are trying to steal elections through MASSIVE voter fraud has become an integral part of the conservative belief system. I used to think it was just a claim they used in a cynical effort to gain political advantage, and maybe that’s all it was in the beginning. But at this point, the charge is fully and sincerely believed by millions, and they are acting on that sincere belief.

But eight years of effort and investigation produced nothing. In the end, they found no proof whatsoever of any conspiracy to commit LARGE-SCALE voting fraud. Zero, nada, zilch.

Given that context, your canard “that there isn’t one voter fraud in there, nah, nope, uh uh, never, can’t happen, never…” is a pant soaker itself…

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Scout

“This is my rifle. This is my gun. This one’s for shooting. This one is for fun.”

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A witty warrior with weapon presents powerful people impediment
to imperialism.

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scout

You can be one cool customer…..however, why limit yourself to only three options?

josef

You are rockin n rollin as usual; is it some kind of recycled energy you get from those wipper snappers?

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“In a case that largely has been ignored by the mainstream media, a federal appeals court has upheld the decision of a Texas school district to punish a cheerleader for refusing to cheer for a player who pleaded guilty to attacking her.”

We have lost our minds.

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Scout

Give THAT one a high five and a you tell ‘em, Girl!

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Joy Behar saying, “Come to NY Biatch, blah, blah..”
I guess Sharon Angle is giving her national heartburn.

Obviously Joy holds the moral high ground.

The View is irrelevant unless a host walks off the set… If Whoopie, Joy, Barbara and the others think they’re shaping the dialog in America they should understand their viewers also know when Springer comes on and they got turned down by Ken Nugent for their makebelieve legal gripe.

New Mission Statement for NPR:
NO STATE SPONSORED MEDIA WHATSOEVER EXCEPT FOR WEATHER, OFFICIAL, HIGH-LEVEL, GOVERNMENT PRESS CONFERENCES AND COMMERCIAL FREE MUSIC. NO OPINIONS OR POLITICS.

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Scout 10:00 If my little girl I would pick wolf.

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“Yet, there is no factual evidence whatsoever to sustain that claim.”

Yeah, I don’t suppose thousands of felons participating in the 2008 elections in Minnesota constitutes election fraud. Nor the refusal by the government to investigate and prosecute the vast majority of the offenders despite having a mountain of evidence handed to them by a watchdog group (MinnesotaMajority.org).

So, out of the thousands of felon voters in only 2 [urban] counties, a handful were prosecuted and the sentences levied on those convicted were reduced to the proverbial slap on the wrist.

But yet, no factual evidence of any kind whatsoever. Somebody pass the kool-aid.

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“I don’t suppose thousands of felons participating in the 2008 elections in Minnesota constitutes election fraud”

Since it didn’t happen, not it wasn’t election fraud. If you have proof it DID happen, why did you not present it to the investigating court? Witholding evidence is a crime you know.

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Josef 10:19 It is amazing the amount of bluster a bully
loses when you shoot him.

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The newest member of the Supreme Court is in the minority in backing a stay of execution over questions about the safety of a drug to be used in a lethal injection

By all means let’s make sure that the drug being used to kill the person is also safe for them.

/sarc

My prayers go out for the good health and desire to stay on the job for at least two more years on behalf of the sane members of SCOTUS.

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Doggone

Be that as it may, that’s MY girl! Take your stand and the consequences be d*mned! There’s right and there’s wrong…

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Oops…

Forgot the link

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RW-(the original)

I mentioned that earlier today. Is that absurd or what?

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“There’s right and there’s wrong…”

Yes, there is…and she was a part of a squad, who was even going to notice in the noise and excitemen of a game if ONE member of that squad wasn’t saying one players name?

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“Seems that number was just enough to elect Sen. Stuart Smiley by less than 300 votes”

It seems you are wrong. Education is a wonderful thing, you should look into it:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/07/19/coleman_franken_recount

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Scout, RW- To justify an absurdity you must be absurd in the details.

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Obama can’t go to the center.

If the Repubs win big then what?

Us dang Tea Party people ain’t gonna vaporize. Tuesday, Nov 2nd is only the beginning.

#1 – Constitutional Amendment requiring Term Limits for all members of Congress

#2 – Constitutional Amendment requiring a Balanced Federal Budget every year, no excuses.

#3 – Repeal the 16th Amendment (Income Tax) and replace it with a Flat Tax or Fair Tax, a National Lottery and massive consumption taxes on alcohol, tobacco and marijuana.

#4 – Congress must repeal The War Powers Act. This law allows the POTUS to start wars without an official Declaration of War. Congress granted it and they can take it back. Get it done.

#5 – A thoroughly independent, comprehensive, unrestricted and mandatory audit of The Federal Reserve System every three years.

#6 — Seal the borders asap and protect American citizens from the drug cartels and others who move freely across our lines.

#7 — No funding whatsoever for Obamacare.

#8 — A thoroughly independent, comprehensive, unrestricted and mandatory audit of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac every three years.

#9 — 10%, across the board, spending cuts for every government office and function including the Defense Department and all government entitlements, no exceptions whatsoever.

#10 — Follow steps one through nine.

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Doggone
And I would posit that this is a demand to conform to the “group think” mentality. I am all for “team spiirir” and all that, buf…there comes a point….obviously, somebody noticed, Why?