Voter-fraud claims a case of mass, self-induced hysteria
The charge that liberal groups are trying to steal elections through massive voter fraud has become an integral part of the conservative belief system. I used to think it was just a claim they used in a cynical effort to gain political advantage, and maybe that’s all it was in the beginning. But at this point, the charge is fully and sincerely believed by millions, and they are acting on that sincere belief.
Yet, there is no factual evidence whatsoever to sustain that claim. For eight years, the Bush Department of Justice tried very, very hard to come up with evidence of such a conspiracy. They even pushed good, conservative, effective federal prosecutors out of their jobs because those prosecutors were allegedly lax in pursuing such cases.
But eight years of effort and investigation produced nothing. In the end, they found no proof whatsoever of any conspiracy to commit large-scale voting fraud. Zero, nada, zilch.
Yeah, I know:
“ACORN.”
At this point in the debate, conservatives wave that word around as if it were a silver cross capable of fending off all manners of vampires, zombies and facts that they might find threatening to their world outlook.
It doesn’t work. Mythology aside, ACORN has never been charged, let alone convicted, of any effort to subvert free and fair elections. If the Bush DoJ had any evidence that ACORN or any other group was involved in such an enterprise, you can bet every single thing that you own that it would have tried to make that case. And it should have, because election integrity is crucial.
Yet it did nothing of the sort.
Given all that, the GOP fixation on voter fraud is explainable only as a case of mass, self-induced hysteria. I understand that sounds harsh. But if you have a better explanation, I’d love to hear it.
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Mick
October 27th, 2010
7:16 pm
usmc
I got my honorable discharge from the USCG in may, 1989. So, I guess we went through the same time warp being in the reagan era military.
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
7:17 pm
USMC DAWG: Judging by your writing you sound like an officer. Am I correct?
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
7:17 pm
@ Doggone: “None of the people on this blog is past 55″
Are you sure of that?”
Yeah Doggone, She is sure of everything…
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
7:17 pm
” It is impossible to exist without having relatives in the world that I inhabit”
Really? Everyone in YOUR world has living relatives? Well in the REAL world there are just oodles of familyless people who would love to borrow some.
BADA BING
October 27th, 2010
7:18 pm
Dang,I just realized what day it was.One week from today, and the conservatives and tea partiers are going to be partying like Charlie Sheen in a New York hotel with a hooker !
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 27th, 2010
7:18 pm
Maddy, maddy, maddy….do you have any proof or are you just accusing people of being a scumbag…I mean its easy to do, scuzebag. See. Now its your turn.
Mick
October 27th, 2010
7:18 pm
paul
**Both sides need an underhanded, nefarious conspiracy to explain why the voters didn’t do the smart thing and give their candidate the victory!**
Damn that makes too much sense, please let us have our conspiracies….
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
7:19 pm
Mick
One of my Canadian friends once asked the question, “and what IS the 49th parallel?” Answer? The dividing line between “hunh?’ And “eh?”
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
7:19 pm
’ve got a dd214 and an Honorable Dischage that says USMC, Parris Island ‘1989.
What do you have Debbie?
I’ve got a funny story – as relayed to me by my father:
OK let me paint the picture….this was during the Viet Nam War and they still had the draft. Anyway, my father, who’d just married my mom, didn’t want to wait around to get drafted so he went to the induction center to get, i don’t know, legally drafted or something. So he has to take this exam to test his aptitude or something, and he’s in this room with all these other guys taking this test. So, after the test, the Sgt. comes in and says “All you guys in this first row are now proud Marines”. My father, who breathed a sigh of relief that he wasn’t gonna be a Marine, later on asked the Sgt how did they pick those guys to be the marines. The Sgt said, these were the guys, when told to read the entire instructions first THEN take the test, when they read the last line of the directions they were asked to put their name on lines 1, 8, 12, 16, and 25; and they only put their names on line 1. The SGT that’s a true Marine — too dense to follow directions.
BTW The Sgt was in in the Army.
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
7:19 pm
Mick,
I knew we had more in common than previously suspected.
I worked with the Coast Guard in South and Central America and had a great respect for you guys.
Bookman/Tucker
October 27th, 2010
7:20 pm
Yessir, DEMS/Libs always as pure as the driven snow. REPS/Conservatives evil, bad, always evil.
Yep, that’s about it. Please read our blogs tomorrow.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
7:20 pm
“And don’t forget how Scumbag Franken became a senator”
Ahhh, yes…the old stand-by…NEVER let a good lie die
Paul
October 27th, 2010
7:20 pm
Hi DDR!!!
“Oh yeah sure they did!! They came up to you, Average American Citizen, and for no reason whatsoever said “Hey Amigo, I am illegal — I am going to vote tomorrow”.
Yep. I believe it happened just like that too…”
Well darling, ya’ never know….
“Illegal immigrants get out the vote for Democrats
Illegal immigrants are getting out the vote for Democrats.
Seattle Times
When Maria Gianni is knocking on voters’ doors, she’s not bashful about telling people she is in the country illegally.
She knows it’s a risk to advertise this fact to strangers — but it’s one worth taking in what she sees as a crucial election.
The 42-year-old is one of dozens of volunteers — many of them illegal immigrants — canvassing neighborhoods in the Seattle area trying to get naturalized citizens to cast a ballot for candidates like Democratic Sen. Patty Murray, who is in a neck-and-neck race with Republican Dino Rossi.
Pramila Jayapal, head of OneAmerica Votes, says the campaign is about empowering immigrants who may not feel like they can contribute to a campaign because they can’t vote.
“Immigrants really do matter,” Jayapal said. “If we can’t vote ourselves, we’re gonna knock on doors or get family members to vote.”
So far, the illegal immigrants going door to door aren’t meeting opposition…”
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
7:21 pm
Debbie, I’ll take that as affection:)
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
7:21 pm
Debbie and USMC: maybe you two should consider a truce. Debbie is a barrister and “loves” to argue!
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
7:21 pm
Are you sure of that?
More or less. I can tell by the music they pick out on Fridays. Everyone is cool, there’s a little acid rock, a little rock, a little jazz etc. but NO old people music.
TaxPayer
October 27th, 2010
7:23 pm
Eyescans, finger prints, passwords, facial recognition, etc., all only confirm that you do not vote more than once if the software and database are in place to do the checking. However, you still have to provide proof of your right to vote initially in order to obtain your accepted form of ID and what form of proof do you provide when obtaining that ID that all here will accept without question. If a driver’s license can be forged then so can a birth certificate (at least the short form but I don’t know about that long form since it may actually contain a permanent DNA record obtained at birth) and you’re right back where you started. So, I say as long as all those tens of millions of illegal voters show a little sense and vote against the Republicans, I’m good with it. Serves ‘em right for not fixing their latest fear revival when they had the chance, most recently at least, while Bush was in office.
Mick
October 27th, 2010
7:23 pm
usmc
Wow, finally no insult…thank you very much……I was reading about a navy guy the other day who was rescued and he said that he was never so happy as to see us coming…..action every day.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
7:23 pm
“but NO old people music.”
Not a good test. I never post music…and I like acid rock, hard rock, classical…hate jazz and the blues.
Oh, and BTW…I’m 59
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
7:24 pm
Debbie: I must confess that I am, in fact, older than 55.
Moderate Line
October 27th, 2010
7:24 pm
Jay
October 27th, 2010
6:18 pm
@@, the case isn’t resolved yet. Nobody can know for sure whether it is or is not a problem.
++++++++
Jay, you wrote:
It doesn’t work. Mythology aside, ACORN has never been charged, let alone convicted, of any effort to subvert free and fair elections.
Then someone shows where your statement is false concerning being charged and then you moved to a higher standard.
In the same article that @@ presented was the following:
Elsewhere, Washington state prosecutors fined Acorn $25,000 after several employees were convicted of voter registration fraud in 2007. The group signed a consent decree with King County (Seattle), requiring it to beef up its oversight or face criminal prosecution. In the 2008 election, Acorn’s practices led to investigations, some ongoing, in 14 other states.
I don’t believe their is widespread voter fraud but anything we can do to bring more integerity to the election system I am in favor.
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
7:25 pm
Yeah Jay,
What about the Illegal Alien working for the Dems to “get out the vote” as per Paul at 7:20?
I saw the story the other dat as well.
What is your take on that? just curious.
Tom M
October 27th, 2010
7:25 pm
Former ACORN worker convicted of election fraud http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/101418199.html
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 27th, 2010
7:25 pm
Paul…so you proved that they want to be american citizens and they believe in freedom and choice. They also acknowledge they cannot vote.
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
7:26 pm
OK! Who do you like? San Fran or Texas. Let me hear it!
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
7:27 pm
I think Lincecum is going to take San Fran all the way!
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
7:27 pm
“What about the Illegal Alien working for the Dems to “get out the vote” as per Paul at 7:20?”
I don’t know about Jay’s opinion…but I don’t have a problem with it. There’s no law against canvassing people who are eligible to vote to actually get out and DO it.
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
7:28 pm
Mick, when have I insulted you?
I thought we were arguing different points of view.
Anyway, I second part of what Moderate Line wrote: “anything we can do to bring more integerity to the election system I am in favor.”— Very well said
TaxPayer
October 27th, 2010
7:28 pm
It’s confessions night. I’m older than 55 too.
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
7:29 pm
Debbie and USMC: maybe you two should consider a truce. Debbie is a barrister and “loves” to argue!
Yeah and since I live alone, my best hanging partner has found a man, my sister & auntie have found a great community here in Atlanta to hang with, the only people I get to argue with are you guys on this blog!! Sorry!
Hey Paul!! I saw that same article in Yahoo! the other day, however, it didn’t say these people were VOTING — just asking REGISTERED voters to go to the polls. So that more or less doesn’t support dawg’s argument.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 27th, 2010
7:29 pm
The GAO 6.2010 report also showed that four of six FBI investigations into alleged voter fraud committed by ACORN employees were closed due to lack of evidence. The two other investigations were also closed and referred to local and state jurisdictions.
The report detailed five cases in which ACORN employees pled guilty to misdemeanor counts of voter registration fraud, but stated that these cases did not allege any wrongdoing on behalf of ACORN or any affiliated organizations. In fact, ACORN offered materials to local election officials that helped initiate the prosecution of the guilty individuals, and each case stated that ACORN had properly trained the individuals to legally register voters.
Now shall we talk about Rove and the DOJ. Maybe more caging?
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
7:29 pm
“Former ACORN worker convicted of election fraud”
Nothing like a local paper (sorry Jay!) to get the story wrong. Yes, you quoted the first line accurately, but the next paragraph says: “admitted to submitting multiple voter registration applications for some people ”
voter REGISTRATION fraud is not “election fraud”
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
7:30 pm
PAUL
@ 7:16
Why are they backtracking? Well, according to the more rational ones, they went back and put the sound bite into context and realized just what a stupid knee jerk and memo-riddled ride thay had gone on….
The upshot of that Ft, Bragg silliness? The correspondence between me and the NC Senators’ and Representative’s office is a work! I got all kinds of apologies and explanations, but not response to my point, “well, fine and good, but it sure put a crimp in my day with my boy just back from defending the “American way” in Iraq…
Madison
October 27th, 2010
7:30 pm
Mick, Where that POS in concerned I want to show my hate!
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
7:30 pm
DDR
Not over 55? Flattery will get you everywhere!
My Middle Name Is David
October 27th, 2010
7:31 pm
Hysteria about Voter Fraud is the topic here.
A secure US National ID Card would practically eliminate this topic, identity theft, criminal activity and other forms of fraud.
Not a citizen – No card. No card – no relief.
The United States could do this through ….uhhhfffff. The US Postal Service, Free of Charge. The entire process could easily be completed in 18 months. This will cost $$$ but think about the problems it could solve.
“Are you a criminal on the run? Are you illegal? No… You’re not the person you’re claiming to be.”.
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
7:32 pm
@ Doggone/GA: ” I don’t have a problem with it. There’s no law against canvassing people who are eligible to vote to actually get out and DO it.”
Are you kidding me? You have know problem with outside agents interfering with our election system?
That just sounds totally irresponsible.
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
7:33 pm
Doggone, Taxpayer, AND Soothsayer?!!! Say it isn’t so!! I had visuals of all of you in my mind, (Soothsayer – Your wife would shoot me if she knew my visual of you), and in my imagination NONE of you were over 40 (well…..maybe Doggone, but that was only because she knew a lot of history).
What happens to a dream deferred?
Scout
October 27th, 2010
7:33 pm
Mick @ 5:46
“That’s kind of funny but the ability to use a weapon doesn’t always settle it; many can use their wit and courage to force an outcome to their advantage.”
………. and the gun is what ensures wit and courage have a chance.
The Gun is Civilization
by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)
“Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.
The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed.
People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.
People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.
The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.
When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation… and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.”
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DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
7:33 pm
Et tu josef? Et tu?
Paul
October 27th, 2010
7:34 pm
Keep Up 7:25
I liked it that they hadn’t experienced any negative reaction. Kinda humanizes the situation.
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
7:35 pm
I hope you will forgive me for posting this yet again. But, since we have so much emphasis on ACORN I just couldn’t resist. You on the left will really love this, especially if you have not seen it before. You on the right no so much. When you view this hit the “control, plus sign” a couple of times for the full effect. Hit the “control, minus sign” to return.
stands for decibels
October 27th, 2010
7:35 pm
The 42-year-old is one of dozens of volunteers — many of them illegal immigrants — canvassing neighborhoods in the Seattle area trying to get naturalized citizens to cast a ballot for candidates like Democratic Sen. Patty Murray, who is in a neck-and-neck race with Republican Dino Rossi.
Good for her. Kick ass, take names.
Paul
October 27th, 2010
7:36 pm
Soothsayer
“OK! Who do you like? San Fran or Texas. Let me hear it!”
Well, given a state from the middle of the country whipped the east coast Yankees and is now doing battle with the west coast whatstheirnames, I’m rootin’ for the Rangers.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
7:38 pm
“You have know problem with outside agents interfering with our election system?”
Interfering? Getting eligible voters to vote is interfering? Interesting take on who should and who should not vote that you have.
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
7:38 pm
DDR
Moi aussi! Got my AARP card! I’m an official member of the Old F*rts!
Paul
October 27th, 2010
7:39 pm
DDR
“So that more or less doesn’t support dawg’s argument.”
I cited it in response to the idea someone would walk up and identify themselves as an illegal.
But the other point – about the response they got – there were a couple incidents during Vietnam when long-haired, bearded and tie-dyed clad students would go door to door soliciting signatures on a petition. Response from most was “get off my doorstep you commie hippie dirtbag! Peddling that commie propaganda!”
’twas the Declaration of Independence -
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
7:40 pm
DDR
It dries up like a raisin in the sun….
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
7:40 pm
“(Soothsayer – Your wife would shoot me if she knew my visual of you)”
ALAS! no wife. Been through 3. Now enjoy a life of blissful solitude! No one to gripe at me. No one to wait on to get ready. And no one to . . .
Honey? Does this dress make my ass look big? No, it looks big all by itself! (On how to get divorced)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 27th, 2010
7:40 pm
Josef…you can get AARP card at 50…and a younger spouse can be included (ask my SO who hates the fact that I included her)
Atlantan
October 27th, 2010
7:41 pm
Sadly neither you nor the DOJ or Obama care if Black Panthers intimidate people at the voting booth. If the Klan had done the same…
Democrats are holding back military ballots in New York and Illinois so of course there is outrage. Everyone knows Democrats lie and cheat.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
7:43 pm
“Response from most was “get off my doorstep you commie hippie dirtbag! Peddling that commie propaganda!””
I reckon those are the same people who can identify someone’s religion by how they dress…ya think?
Paul
October 27th, 2010
7:44 pm
josef nix
“but not response to my point, “well, fine and good, but it sure put a crimp in my day with my boy just back from defending the “American way” in Iraq… ”
That gate guard needs an attitude adjustment…
DDR
“What happens to a dream deferred?”
I’ve one of you. Let’s see…. what’s the word…. oh yeah…. yowza!!!
That, and the realization to never get you really ticked unless I can do a six minute mile…..
My Middle Name Is David
October 27th, 2010
7:44 pm
Why does a US Mint $20 gold coin cost $1400 or more?
Is it worth twenty dollars or is it just based on the price of gold?
If it’ can only buy twenty bucks worth of stuff then why does it cost $1400+ and how is that legal if that same gold coin is considered “Lawful Money”?
AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM !
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
7:44 pm
PAUL
Since you’re here, a bit off topic, but what the hell, he may be one of them there anchor babies…but tell your teachers that I’m walking on air tonight…major breakthrough with my “worst case” one today, with no prodding and of his own free will, traced his numbers 1-20, picked up the scissors, cut them out neatly and arranged in proper order! This is the one who was, well, “out there…” Kinda puts all the rest of it into proper perspective. Native born, United States citizen…he’ll vote one day and I sincerely hope he puts as much quiet attention to what is being said as he did this!
Paul
October 27th, 2010
7:45 pm
Soothsayer
“Honey? Does this dress make my ass look big? No, it looks big all by itself! (On how to get divorced)”
Glad I’m by myself tonight – was laughing so hard if the wife was here she’d have come in my office and asked ‘what’s so funny” and even a six minute mile wouldn’t have saved me -
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
7:46 pm
“Black Panthers intimidate people at the voting booth”
Oh how easy it is to identify the people too lazy to read back a bit. You’re LATE, this has already been covered. Can’t you come up with a lie that HASN’T been discussed already?
md
October 27th, 2010
7:46 pm
“What I don’t like are con men and liars and people who suffer from grandiose delusions.”
Correct me if I am wrong, but if one does not have proof that one is not as claims, then wouldn’t one also fall into this category??
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
7:47 pm
josef: DDR – It dries up like a raisin in the sun….
oooh josef…..i LOVE it when you go all literary on me and start speaking in prose. It makes me hot!!
Soothsayer: AND no one to tell you/make you to go to the doctor, one less egg to fry, one less bell to answer…..
Oh wait, that’s a song….(I’m not gonna bother with the fancy links!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzWPZP0iVlE
Pogo
October 27th, 2010
7:47 pm
Soothsayer, I am all for considering people that hire illegal aliens as Felons. OR, at least make them responsible for their illegal employees State and Federal assistance (including their healthcare). We may pay a $2 for an orange or $10 for a bag of salad greens but I am all for it. Therein lies the problem doesn’t it? We (liberal and conservative) both enjoy the cheapness of the products provided by illegal labor. But the reality is, when you legalize these people and make them citizens and have to pay them according to the wage laws and tax them as the rest of us are taxed and have to cover their SS and Medical costs, we no longer will enjoy the low costs provided under the current system. In addition, our social “Safety Nets” are already becoming insolvent paying out to our legal citizens most of which who have paid into the system for most of their lives. What happens when we suddenly get 20 or 30 million more who only recently are introduced and who have not contributed to the social programs?
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
7:48 pm
MMM David: Research Richard Nixon taking the U.S. off the gold standard in 1973. It was done because of the Vietnam War debt. And, good ol’ Jimmah paid the price.
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 27th, 2010
7:50 pm
Paul, you’re right, fraudulent voter registration is the first step to casting fraudulent votes. Glad you recognize that.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
7:50 pm
“AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM !”
Don’t forget…the Fed buys gold at wholesale, not retail.
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
7:53 pm
DAVID
Every time the Federal Reserve comes up, I have to refer to Senator Robert Owen…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Latham_Owen
Take that, you u-ne-ga usurpers!
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
7:54 pm
” fraudulent voter registration is the first step to casting fraudulent votes.”
Yes, BUT…remember that most (all?) states require 3rd parties who collect voter registrations to turn them ALL in. ALL of them. That’s to obviate any charges that the 3rd party is fraudulently NOT turning in registrations. Bottom line: it is the STATE’S responsibility to verify registrations, not any 3rd party.
And ACORN (as they have been brought up) quite often alerted the registration officials to registrations they have received that they thought might be fraudulent. But yes, they DID turn them all in…as they were required to do.
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
7:54 pm
Atlantan: Sadly neither you nor the DOJ or Obama care if Black Panthers intimidate people at the voting booth. If the Klan had done the same…‘
Are you saying the Klan’s rights were violated? Maybe they can file a Civil Lawsuit in court — they can allege that their right to terrorize black people were being denied by law.
Don't Forget
October 27th, 2010
7:55 pm
With all the bogus emails and fraudulent claims coming out from the right, I’d be a lot more concerned about voter fraud on the right as well. Since they have no conscience about the garbage they put out as fact I doubt they have the integrity to not commit voter fraud.
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
7:56 pm
DDR
Still think he’s probably the greatest of the 20th Century American poets!
Sooth
ROLF!
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
7:56 pm
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
7:09 pm
frog: Airman here. Could be because none were doing that as they were too busy defending your right to say that.
None of the people on this blog is past 55 – since the last war to “defend my freedom of speech” was fought during WWII (NOT Korea, Not Viet Nam, certainly NOT Desert Storm I & II nor in Iraq); I’d say you may be a bit off on that one
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I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
This Debbie is the oath that I took when I enlisted. Given your legal
training and psychic abilities I would have thought that you knew that.
I was not given the latitude to choose where I would go, or which
battles i would participate in or what I would do. Unlike the civilian
dependents of which you were a member enlistees got no free ride.
Unfortunately Fathers in the military were often unable to give their
children training in respect and discipline as your example so readily
testifies to. IF your husband is actually a Marine possibly at some
time he can correct this lack of training. I am now more understanding
of Dick Cheney and why he shot a lawyer in the face.
Paul
October 27th, 2010
7:56 pm
josef nix
Days like that make it worthwhile, don’t they?
My sis was sitting at her desk one late afternoon wondering how much longer she could take it, head popped in the doorway and said “Hi Mrs. P remember me? I’m (whatever his name was). I’ve graduated from high school and I’m heading to college and I had to come by and thank you – it’s because of you I’m where I am today.”
Sis said that brought it all home for her -
Comfused
October 27th, 2010
7:58 pm
ACORN does not exist and has been defunded and disbanded after the fake pimp/hooker right wing stooges staged and recorded an undercover cpaer against one of the local offices. Do you right wing loons watch the real news? Geeze!
md
October 27th, 2010
7:58 pm
“but NO old people music.”
You are confusing the over 55 crowd with their parents – that was the “big band” generation, us geezers are the hippie geezers……………weened on rock and roll……………….
Curious Observer
October 27th, 2010
7:59 pm
but NO old people music.
Well, Debbie, I’m 68, and the last time I checked, I was still sentient. You may be betraying your youth with your “no one over 55″ statement.
MC
October 27th, 2010
7:59 pm
Republicans are a lot like Georgia Tech football fans. They have never lost. It was always stolen from them.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
8:00 pm
“ACORN does not exist ”
YOu obviously did not read previous posts either. Their website still exists and there is no mention on it of being disbanded. At least, as I already posted, not on the pages I had time to read.
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
8:01 pm
DDR
Speaking of the klan, I made a lot of folks mad as hell when I joined the ACLU in defending their right to march in Skokie…The last time they had a march here in Atlanta I was teaching in high school. I told my kids they had every right to, Then, when I went to protest them, one of my kids came up to me in the crowd, “Mr. Nix, you said they had the right to march.” “They do, Son, and I have the right to protest. And see how many more of us than there are of them. This is what America IS.” “Yessir, now I understand.” One of those seminal moments that tells me why it is that I teach.
My Middle Name Is David
October 27th, 2010
8:02 pm
Dog – you missed the point.
a gold eagle is legal tender for purchases at WalMart or Kroger but it only buys $20 worth of stuff.
Why?
Why is The US Mint required by law to produce gold and silver coins?
Why are those coins made of precious metals only worth “dog stuff” yet they are legal tender for all debts public and private?
The Congress for almost 100 years has ignored the law so they can spend.
A Brief History of The American Dollar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FiaUpeJxcA
md
October 27th, 2010
8:02 pm
Have to say the Bravos screwed the pooch on that Andrus and Feliz trade………I bet they wish they could have a do over on that deal.
I’ll take the team that has never been to the WS – go Rangers.
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
8:04 pm
Paul: That, and the realization to never get you really ticked unless I can do a six minute mile…..
Too funny!!
josef: “”Call me Ishmael.” Just testing………………
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
8:04 pm
Curious
When I found out how old DDR was, I was blown out of the water! I had been treating her as an “equal!” Then I found out I was dealing with the hope of tomorrow…an amazing little gal, she!
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
8:04 pm
“and I have the right to protest”
Maybe we need to get USMC in your class…so he can learn why there’s nothing wrong with illegal immigrants canvassing their legally eligible neighbors and relatives to get out and vote.
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
8:06 pm
DDR
“Call Me Ishmael?” Whoah, Girl, once again you surprize me! Isn’t THAT one a work to make you stop and rethink what it is you thought you thought? Reread it again this summer!
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
8:08 pm
“but it only buys $20 worth of stuff.”
If someone is dumb enough to buy a $20 dollar coin at market value (which is higher than it’s face value) and then try to SPEND it and expect to get more than $20 worth of goods, they’re stupid enough to go on with.
The US mint website says this: “An American Eagle’s value is based on the market price of its metal content, plus a small premium to cover coinage and distribution. ”
http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/american_eagles/?flash=yes&action=american_eagle_gold
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
8:10 pm
Doggone
@ 8:04\
Point made, I know I don’t always come off as appreciative, but I DO appreciate the efforts of those “breeders” who have taken up my cause and have spoken up for me and my “cause” where I have no voice…
md
October 27th, 2010
8:12 pm
“so he can learn why there’s nothing wrong with illegal immigrants canvassing their legally eligible neighbors and relatives to get out and vote.”
Sorry, don’t agree. You folks really think it would be Ok if Chavez or Imanutjob or any other sent his “illegals” in to this country to sway voters on their behalf??
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
8:12 pm
“Point made”
Wanna make a bet that, if he even sees it, USMC won’t get the point?
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
8:13 pm
PAUL
Yep. It’s just that which keeps us plugging along! There’s nothing in my life that makes me feel as if I am leaving the world a better place for my having past through it. If those lambasting teachers only knew just what THAT means…
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
8:13 pm
“to sway voters on their behalf??”
so now it’s “swaying” voters to urge them to get out and vote? if it is, we need a LOT more of those “swayers”
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
8:14 pm
josef: DDR – Still think he’s probably the greatest of the 20th Century American poets!
oh josef….if you ever think about leaving “whats-iz-name” and I think about leaving “whatchamacallit”, will you marry me? I’ll let you wear the boa every M,W,&Fri nights. I am just feeling you here!!
Curious Obsever AND md you guys too!!!?!! Please no one else tell me your age, let me just have my sweet memories of you just the way I’ve imagined. (Except for Whine no sweet memories there……I still think he’s 21 and lives in his mother’s basement, tied to her apron strings).
josef: DDR – Speaking of the klan, I made a lot of folks mad as hell when I joined the ACLU in defending their right to march in Skokie…
Yeah. Remember a few years back when there was this big uproar about John….(Braves Relief pitcher that made all those comments about NY and indigents in the Sports Illustrated issue); anyway, I did the same thing. He had every right to say what he felt, that’s why all those men died in WWII to stop Japan and Germany from making their reality our hell.
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
8:16 pm
Doggone
Just for the record as pertains to our earlier exchange, I don’t think that USMC is that close-minded. He has his opinions and I DO disagree with them, but “illegals” are not an entity with which he has no personal contact…
Paul
October 27th, 2010
8:19 pm
josef nix
“When I found out how old DDR was, I was blown out of the water! I had been treating her as an “equal!” ”
It’s the ageof the mind, not the age of the body -
My sis just called. Had a staff development meeting, open to all. She was tired but went. There were twelve guest speakers – all Tuskegee Airmen. Aged 82-92. All spoke of their experiences and their attitudes. All were very successful later in life, too. One of the boys at her school did a report on them 15 years back, his dad got in touch, asked them to speak and ever since they’ve come out to the schools in the district to speak (the district is naming a new school after them). That is truly wonderful.
One story – one of the men was a POW. Said American forces liberated the camp, he was sent back to a post in the midwest. German prisoners were held at the post, in barracks. He, on the other hand, was consigned to tents with the other Black officers…..
Remember that coffee cup I liked? The one that said “Don’t let the b@st@rds get you down”? He didn’t. Wonderful attitude.
md
October 27th, 2010
8:20 pm
“so now it’s “swaying” voters to urge them to get out and vote? if it is, we need a LOT more of those “swayers”
Absolutely – I’d certainly say “vested interest” would equal “swaying”. They certainly aren’t out doing it just to turn out the vote – they have a cause, just as Chavez or the other crazy would have a cause………..
Kamchak
October 27th, 2010
8:20 pm
A secure US National ID Card would practically eliminate this topic, identity theft, criminal activity and other forms of fraud.
Not a citizen – No card. No card – no relief.
Yeah, because no one has ever been able to fake IDs.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
8:21 pm
“but “illegals” are not an entity with which he has no personal contact”
What does that have to do with his objections to having them canvas for their legally eligible neighbors and relatives to get out and vote? He wasn’t real happy with that.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
8:22 pm
“They certainly aren’t out doing it just to turn out the vote ”
And you hve proof of that? Please present it.
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
8:22 pm
barking frog: This Debbie is the oath that I took when I enlisted. Given your legal
training and psychic abilities I would have thought that you knew that.
Well a life one!! Goodie!!
I was not given the latitude to choose where I would go, or which battles i would participate in or what I would do. Unlike the civilian dependents of which you were a member enlistees got no free ride. Unfortunately Fathers in the military were often unable to give their children training in respect and discipline as your example so readily testifies to.
So what are you saying? Because I don’t agree with the balderdash, (read Bullsh####t), you’re spewing that makes me lacking in discipline? BF contrary to your abysmal recollection of recent AMERICAN history, what I said was correct. You can not refute it, so you start throwing tantrums like a drama queen.
IF your husband is actually a Marine possibly at some time he can correct this lack of training.
So you also approve of spousal abuse too? What caveman era did you come from?
I am now more understanding of Dick Cheney and why he shot a lawyer in the face.
HAHA that was funny!! HINT: Cheney undoubtedly shot the lawyer in the face because he knew he could get away with it. The lawyer, being a duly sworn officer of the court, probably told Cheney something that a lot of you righties hate to hear, The Truth. I heard it hurts you guys or something.
md
October 27th, 2010
8:23 pm
I get it now………..it is OK if they are “your” illegals……………..
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
8:25 pm
DDR
Whiner IS a case, isn’t he? I miss him, though, and wish the Bruin would relent…
Interesting you’d bring up Unmentionable in this context. One of our earlierst “contacts” was when he or I would begin a quote from Hughes and the other would finish it. One of his “pet names: for me is Ishmael!
And you may wear the boa whenever you choose, just remember to bring it back!
My Middle Name Is David
October 27th, 2010
8:25 pm
Dog – You’re still missing the point.
The US Mint creates $20 gold coins that are legal tender.
Why?
Did you click the link?
Do you understand that the Mint is required by law to produce gold and silver coins… Dollars and Eagles?
Why?
What is a $1 Federal Reserve Note? Is it a dollar bill?
md
October 27th, 2010
8:27 pm
DDR,
He is making the distinction between serving and politics. They all serve for us, regardless of mission………………………