Voter-fraud claims a case of mass, self-induced hysteria
The charge that liberal groups are trying to steal elections through massive voter fraud has become an integral part of the conservative belief system. I used to think it was just a claim they used in a cynical effort to gain political advantage, and maybe that’s all it was in the beginning. But at this point, the charge is fully and sincerely believed by millions, and they are acting on that sincere belief.
Yet, there is no factual evidence whatsoever to sustain that claim. For eight years, the Bush Department of Justice tried very, very hard to come up with evidence of such a conspiracy. They even pushed good, conservative, effective federal prosecutors out of their jobs because those prosecutors were allegedly lax in pursuing such cases.
But eight years of effort and investigation produced nothing. In the end, they found no proof whatsoever of any conspiracy to commit large-scale voting fraud. Zero, nada, zilch.
Yeah, I know:
“ACORN.”
At this point in the debate, conservatives wave that word around as if it were a silver cross capable of fending off all manners of vampires, zombies and facts that they might find threatening to their world outlook.
It doesn’t work. Mythology aside, ACORN has never been charged, let alone convicted, of any effort to subvert free and fair elections. If the Bush DoJ had any evidence that ACORN or any other group was involved in such an enterprise, you can bet every single thing that you own that it would have tried to make that case. And it should have, because election integrity is crucial.
Yet it did nothing of the sort.
Given all that, the GOP fixation on voter fraud is explainable only as a case of mass, self-induced hysteria. I understand that sounds harsh. But if you have a better explanation, I’d love to hear it.
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@@
October 27th, 2010
6:00 pm
jay, about that kosher comment…I’m not looking to pour salt in the wound, but shouldn’t you thoroughly research a topic before putting forth your argument.
I’m not a journalist, but I do have an opinion about opinion journalists.
carlosgvv
October 27th, 2010
6:01 pm
You don’t have to be a genius to realize our bought and paid for politicans are part of a political system that is rotten to the core. Of course their is voter fraud. Our political system is so broken it will take a completely new kind of system to put things right.
@@
October 27th, 2010
6:01 pm
Ooooooo, oooooo FOIST!
BADA BING
October 27th, 2010
6:04 pm
Jay , about voting patterns of Black immigrants. You are right. Usually when I meet Black immigrants , I know right away they are not American. They are usually college educated and speak better English than their American counterparts.
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
6:06 pm
Folks act like voter fraud, and charges of such, are some big news. It goes with the terrritory. It’s part and parcel of the voting process just about any place that has elections…
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 27th, 2010
6:07 pm
Come on Jay, this is just too easy:
On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn’s forms “are clearly fraudulent.” On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year’s general election.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
6:08 pm
BADA BING
@ 6:04
I second that….
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 27th, 2010
6:08 pm
AmVet
October 27th, 2010
5:59 pm
KC of the Sunshine Band fame is black?
After all, he IS the boogeyman.
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
6:08 pm
Folks, What is wrong with having to present a picture ID in order to vote?
You have to present a picture ID to cash your welfare check and social security check, so why not add the precaution to our system of casting a vote.
I lived in LA for 6 years and witnessed first hand ILLEGAL aliens casting votes. There were plenty of dark clouds over the Loretta Sanchez electoral victory.(illegal aliens voting, dead people casting ballots, etc.)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 27th, 2010
6:08 pm
A WI group is charging that Americans for Prosperity, local WI “Tea Party” groups and the state Republican Party are colluding to suppress votes in a coordinated vote caging scheme meant to challenge the legitimacy of voters at the polling place. Transcripts of a conference call between the groups — which may itself be illegal, since political parties are not supposed to coordinate with non-profit organizations — reveal many of the same baseless charges of “voter fraud” as made by a Houston group already discredited.
Mick
October 27th, 2010
6:09 pm
josef@6:06
Not in canada because they still use paper ballots and have the highest standards worldwide. They are us and we are them but we are not all together….goo…goo..gojoob..
My Middle Name Is David
October 27th, 2010
6:10 pm
Koch Brothers or George Soros?
They all suck and they’re trying to buy the United States.
Tell these “bogeymen” to “Shove It”.
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
6:10 pm
Where do Black immigrants come from and if
they vote they must be citizens, thus Americans,
and genetically as African as other Americans.
splain me lucy…..
BADA BING
October 27th, 2010
6:11 pm
Hey josef, things went great in Peru. The people are so friendly to me, and the scenery was beautiful. But I was glad to get home !!!
Mick
October 27th, 2010
6:12 pm
usmc dawg
You are absolutely correct sir,,,I have to show photo Id – no problema…..I had to be fingerprinted for employment, again no problem. Citizens give up fingerprints and ID for passports, this is the 21st century, right?
AmVet
October 27th, 2010
6:14 pm
Lamper, LOL.
I’m happy to state that I had ZERO use for that genre.
However, this legend withstands the test of time.
Boogie on reggae woman…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtvOEBBcbWU&feature=fvst
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
6:14 pm
“Transcripts of a conference call between the groups — which may itself be illegal, since political parties are not supposed to coordinate with non-profit organizations”— Keep up the good fight!
So do Acorn, NAACP, etc. and the Democratic Party not coordinate with each other?
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
6:16 pm
So Mick, why do the Democrats fight the idea of showing a picture ID at the polling Booth? Roy Barnes led a lawsuit against the state of Georgia because of it. (correct me if I’m wrong Jay)
just asking
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
6:16 pm
Mick
Lived outside Vancouver, and believe me, there were many questionable elections. New Westminster was, well, notorious! A fairly decent record, to be sure, but it’s still part of the dialogue and especially in close elections,,,
USMC DAWG
How did you know they were illegal alien voters?
BADA
Great to hear…spent the afternoon working with my Peruvian colleague…pleasant time despite the hair pulling on meeting the bureaucracy’s latest dictates! I guess you saw that our man Vargas Llosa won the Nobel? Finally, they’re back to picking a deserving winner, IMO…
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
6:17 pm
“So do Acorn, NAACP, etc. and the Democratic Party not coordinate with each other?”
ACORN no longer exists. Do you have any evidence that the “etc” DO?
Jay
October 27th, 2010
6:18 pm
@@, the case isn’t resolved yet. Nobody can know for sure whether it is or is not a problem.
AmVet
October 27th, 2010
6:20 pm
Well Mr Right kept imploring me, so even though he would not comply with my requests, I’ll answer his question and state that of course, in a nation of this size and with thousands of elections every decade, there are some voter irregularities, screw ups, miscounts and fraud.
It is important?
Yes. The integrity of our elections is very important.
Is it ANYWHERE near the level that the fear-mongers and the hyper-partisans scream about?
Of course not.
Just another of their many canards to play the role of victim…
My Middle Name Is David
October 27th, 2010
6:20 pm
How’d that “fund raising week” promotion go at NPR last week?
The liberals haven’t just driven off into a ditch, they’ve slammed the whole cruise ship into an entire marina.
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
6:21 pm
@ josef:
“USMC DAWG
How did you know they were illegal alien voters?”
Because they lived in my building, The Bryson, and in the neighborhood. I knew them and they knew me, and they were flagrant about the fact that they were illegal.
But stop the “gotcha” political tactics!
How about adressing the issue.
Why should we not have to show a picture ID to vote?
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
6:22 pm
“How’d that “fund raising week” promotion go at NPR last week?”
In Atlanta it’s two weeks and it’s still going on. Ends on Friday.
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
6:22 pm
David
I’ve REALLY been enjoying my fellow liberals back-tracking on the NPR fiasco! Talk about two steppin to make a Coona$$ chuckle!
@@
October 27th, 2010
6:22 pm
Bagged and tagged or is it tagged and bagged?
A Pakistani-born US citizen was arrested Wednesday on charges of plotting to carry out a coordinated bombing attack on Metrorail stations in suburban Virginia near Washington, D.C.
Farooque Ahmed of Ashburn, Va., was charged in a three-count indictment with attempting to provide material support to individuals he believed to be members of Al Qaeda.
From April 18 to Oct. 21, Mr. Ahmed is alleged to have participated in what he thought was an effort to plan massive, multiple bombings of crowded Metrorail trains. In fact, he was under close government surveillance the whole time.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/1027/Feds-nab-man-allegedly-plotting-to-bomb-D.C.-Metro-stations
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
6:22 pm
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
6:16 pm
———————————-
why are we not fingerprinted, footprinted, SS numbered with
it tattooed on the hand or head at birth? It all usually happens
in our lifetimes ,except footprinting and tattooing, anyway.
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
6:23 pm
@Doggone:
And Why doesn’t ACORN exist anymore?……… Bingo!
You just proved our point. Thanks:-)
My Middle Name Is David
October 27th, 2010
6:23 pm
OORAH!!
boots
October 27th, 2010
6:23 pm
I have worked at a high-level on some notable campaigns and will tell you that there are people willing to do things that the average voter would find unethical and that should be illegal. There are certain groups who will “get out the vote” if you pay them enough. Church leaders, union officials and such are all up for sale when it comes to using buses, organization lists and staff to pick people up and have them vote. But it doesn’t come cheap. You have to pay these guys to do it for you – personally, not as a donation to their group – and it is sad and, imo, immoral.
I could also point to cases like the union leaders and the New Black Panther party as showing how there are still people who want to manipulate voters. It has always gone on with ALL political groups, not just Democrats, but it DOES go on. Voters just have to stand up to them and VOTE THEM OUT OF POWER. I can’t wait until Tuesday. It is going to be a pleasure to vote against the SOCIALIST MOVEMENT.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
6:24 pm
“they were flagrant about the fact that they were illegal.”
did you turn them in?
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
6:25 pm
USMC
I’m not at all opposed to showing an ID at the door to vote…makes sense to me, and I’m not entirely sure it shouldn’t be the feds’ passport…state IDs are TOO easy to come by…I was just wondering how you knew they were illegal. I wasn’t trying to play “gotcha” at all…I’ve got lots of “illegal” friends, colleagues and neighbors. I haven’t, though, seen them at my polling station…
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 27th, 2010
6:26 pm
AmVet
October 27th, 2010
6:14 pm
I didn’t care for disco either. Classic Rock guy here. HOwever, when i do hear disco it brings a small smile to my face as I remember a time when my body didn’t have as many aches and pains, and my body COULD do what my mind thought it could.
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
6:26 pm
@Barking Frog…. Really. That’s all you’ve got.
Is it that hard to show your Drivers Lic to prove your a citizenship?
That’s not responsible.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
6:27 pm
Looks like I was mistaken. At least, ACORN still has it’s website up:
http://www.acorn.org/
My Middle Name Is David
October 27th, 2010
6:29 pm
As a libertarian/conservative I have a controversial proposal but I believe it’s time to deploy it.
The US needs a National ID Card. I recently renewed my passport and added the PassCard for an extra $20 (I think). It’s the same size as a drivers license but extremely secure and unquestionable.
i think driver’s licenses ought to “piggyback” onto the USID.
I also think voter, citizenship, criminal and financial crime could be dealt with far more safely, quickly and effectively.
RW-(the original)
October 27th, 2010
6:30 pm
I haven’t, though, seen them at my polling station…
Geez josef, it’s Conspiracy 101. The illegals vote at different polling stations from where they live and they do it in the name of dead felons.
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
6:30 pm
@joseph:
I had a great experience in LA, but I sure woke up to the realities of Illegal Immigration. I too have friends, etc. that are illegal. But I think they (not all, but most) have worn out their welcome with their demanding attitudes, etc. I am glad that we agree on the basic notion of proving citizenship to vote.
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
6:30 pm
LegLamp
On disco…ahh! Sweet memories! The kids love to put on Donna Summer or Patti LaBelle after the vino has taken effect at the get-togethers and have a good laugh. Sort of like watching Mama do the Charleston! Life is good!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 27th, 2010
6:31 pm
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
6:27 pm
Maybe I’m wrong but I thought I heard something about them possibly changing their name and by doing so they would still get some Federal $$.
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
6:31 pm
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
6:26 pm
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Point being a driver’s license proves nothing except you
were willing to make a little effort to get one legally or
illegally. We should have an exact way to identify everyone.
That’s responsible.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 27th, 2010
6:31 pm
Dawg…if you are truly interested in all the reasons you can read the briefs filed by Barnes.
Here are links to a similar matter at the Brenan Center including a brief by Cathy Cox
Notwithstanding your claim, in-person voter fraud is extremely rare. Systematic election fraud as perpetrated by Rove and others is more likely.
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
6:32 pm
Most everyone on this site knows my musical preference. I do, however, love this song!
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
6:33 pm
“Maybe I’m wrong but I thought I heard something about them possibly changing their name and by doing so they would still get some Federal $$”
Well, I didn’t read the whole site, but there was nothing mentioned in the “about us” that I did read.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
6:34 pm
“We should have an exact way to identify everyone”
the only foolproof ID system that I’m aware of is eye scans. How much more are you willing to pay in taxes to have EVERY voter in the USA eye scanned?
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
6:34 pm
@barking Frog:
“Point being a driver’s license proves nothing except you
were willing to make a little effort to get one legally or
illegally. We should have an exact way to identify everyone.
That’s responsible.”
You one upped me. I agree with you, but the Dems don’t want that. They say it is “RACIST” and disenfranchises people.
just saying
saywhat?
October 27th, 2010
6:35 pm
Let me get this straight- For 6 years, the Bush justice department seeks near and far for evidence of repeatedly and loudly claimed “widespread” voter fraud by liberals, and finds a few isolated incidents, but for all intents and purposes, nothing. Jay reports this.
@@ disagrees with this conclusion, and continues to purport widespread fraud by Democratic voters and organizations. Now, 2 years after the bushies are gone, Obama’s justice department just this year finds one single case of vote fraud orchestrated by a Democrat. To @@ , this somehow constitutes “proof” that the “widespread fraud” was going on all along, just as she thought, and Jay was way over the line to say otherwise
Sounds to me alot more like an “even a broken clock is right twice a day” situation.
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
6:35 pm
USMC DAWG
Seriously, though, the rest of my opinions concernig the illegals may be well to the left of center, but when it comes to voting, I’m a stickler for the citizenship thingie…
They’re getting uppity, aren’t they?
RW
So THAT’s why!. I also want to know where to get one of those tax deferrment cards so’s I don’t have to pay that extra percent at the check out line or the filling station, take that part off my rent, get my dog licensed for free…
Bud Wiser
October 27th, 2010
6:36 pm
Of course a valid government issued picture ID would solve this whole problem, and make the issue a non-issue.
But those most interested in blocking ID have the most to gain by stuffing ballot boxes.
Hmmmmm.
Now who could that possibly be?
idiots.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
6:38 pm
“They say it is “RACIST” and disenfranchises people.”
Only if there is a charge for an ID card if the person is not a driver. Charging for a plain ID card for voting purposes is the same thing as a “poll tax” and is unconstitutional.
And not ALL “Dems” agree with your statement. This one doesn’t.
My Middle Name Is David
October 27th, 2010
6:39 pm
The US Passport Card
Every American should have one of these or something similar.
http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppt_card/ppt_card_3926.html
AmVet
October 27th, 2010
6:40 pm
Leg Lamp, after I became a civilian, and was 22, my buddies would basically coerce me into joining them on Friday or Saturday nights and we’d go to the 747 nightclub in Buffalo. BIG time disco with lots of Italian stallions, gold necklaces, gaudy clothes, etc..
The scene and music was horrible; people were big time into cigarettes and doing cocaine. etc. And I was already at a point in my life where I was done with my wild drug-fueled days. (I got in and out early.)
But at least the dancing girls made it tolerable for short periods…
RW-(the original)
October 27th, 2010
6:41 pm
All this talk of wanting to be able to ID the voters would be a tough sell in Nevada. They’ve got a Democrat(ic) candidate for governor that only wants to be known as Rory.
AmVet
October 27th, 2010
6:41 pm
OK, gang. Off to the gym for some pain. Seeya later, peeps…
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
6:41 pm
That driver’s license horsesh*t…went to see my boy at Ft. Bragg. At the base entrance, I presented my passport for ID (I don’t drive). I was refused entry. They wanted a driver’s license. I could have gone down a few blocks and have come back with three or four in different names in less than an hour’s time at a cost of less than $100. But the one issued by the United States Department of State giving me status world wide? Nyanh…Insantity run amock…It was easier just to phone the boy and have him meet us downtown for dinner and drinks…OY!
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
6:42 pm
On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year.
submitting forms does not equal voter fraud.
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
6:43 pm
“Of course a valid government issued picture ID would solve this whole problem, and make the issue a non-issue.”
Somehow I don’t see that going over very well in Dawson County.
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
6:44 pm
I lived in LA for 6 years and witnessed first hand ILLEGAL aliens casting votes.
How did you know they were illegal? Did they wear a sign?
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
6:46 pm
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
6:34 pm
“We should have an exact way to identify everyone”
the only foolproof ID system that I’m aware of is eye scans. How much more are you willing to pay in taxes to have EVERY voter in the USA eye scanned?
——————————————————————————–
Not only every voter but every person if eye scans or tattoos will identify the dead.
Whatever it takes, cost wise it will be worth it to id missing persons
prevent identity theft, and prevent voter fraud.
TaxPayer
October 27th, 2010
6:46 pm
They accept my driver’s license as proof of who I am whenever I go vote and that’s good enough for me.
RW-(the original)
October 27th, 2010
6:47 pm
josef,
Several years ago I had a contract with an agency of state government here in Georgia. The equipment rooms on all the floors were locked so you had to check out a key if you had to get to multiple sites. The first time I presented them my drivers license for ID they said they couldn’t accept that, I would have to give them a business card instead.
That was the policy for three years, that I know of, before they finally realized a business card was just a wee bit inferior to a state issued ID and changed the policy.
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
6:47 pm
Debbie,
C
an you read my response to the same question?
Or did you just arrive on the Little Yellow Bus?
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
6:50 pm
Because they lived in my building, The Bryson, and in the neighborhood. I knew them and they knew me, and they were flagrant about the fact that they were illegal.
Oh so they DID wear a sign!! I mean that really makes sense!! How else could you tell!! Just because they lived in your building (a.k.a – The Illegal Immigrant Hotel), you automatically knew!!! I KNEW there had to be a legitimate reason!
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
6:51 pm
RW
I flat out refuse to get a Georgia state ID on political grounds…if the occupation authorities say I’m a good person (passport) what more do I need…the looks I get when I make that statement are worth the added time!
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
6:52 pm
Debbie, They told me there were.
Get your head out of the sand!
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
6:53 pm
A young lady lies in a grave in our town and has for many
years with no id possible. She was found on the side of
the Interstate with no id. The fear of the Mark of The Beast
or Hitler’s tattos or anything else that makes this happen
should be overcome so her family and others like them
could find some peace.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
6:53 pm
“They told me there were”
Did you turn them in?
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
6:54 pm
Well, when was Texas vs. New York that was easy. Now, when it is San Fran vs. Texas it’s a little more difficult. Who to root for? Since we’re a NL town I guess I’ll root for San Fran.
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
6:54 pm
Why do all the wannabees always claim to be ex-Marines? Why not Airman, or Sailors or heck Coast Guarders? Why always Marines? It’ll be a breath of fresh air on here if someone actually came in and told the TRuth about their military service. e.g.: I was a drunk for most of my military career and if I wasn’t in the drunk tank drying off I was somewhere pizzing on myself.
Francis
October 27th, 2010
6:56 pm
Mark my words, by the end of this election, illegal aliens will have figured out how easy it is, to check off Senator Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and even Jerry Brown on absentee ballots? This is not just saying Voter fraud is prevalent in the Border States, but every state is equally at risk. Consider the situation that Border States are heavily impregnated with foreign nationals, more so in California, Nevada, New Mexico and Texas. That Senator Harry Reid has promised them some form of mass path to citizenship, if they vote for him in this midterm. Now when illegal aliens have already committed one offense by entering America, so committing a second crime by voting is certainly insignificant to people after the first crime. The fact that potentially filling out a registration forms to vote at home, opens a gaping loophole in the voting process.
It is a certainty that hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant homes have in that family circle at least one unprocessed person, therefore illegal entrant. That anybody can get from the Post Office, Drivers License Department a voter registration or by canvassers of which Acorn had the monopoly of this vulnerable system. Senator Reid has already proved this, by–BUYING–votes for himself, with free food and drinks. Other questions should be asked about Union who have a past history of voter fraud, should not be allowed any intimate contact with electronic voting machines. or within certain any legal distance near polling sites. Then again, in Orange County Democrats gave illegal aliens the right to prospect for votes in neighborhoods. With majority leader Harry Reid promising-AMNESTY, that any new administration and then–whatever political party is seated–better take note of the public’s fury that the majority of Americans will not sign on to any form of Amnesty whatsoever. IF ANY POLITICAL PARTY OR GOVERNMENT AGENCY HAD ANY TRUE COMMITMENT TO HALTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, THEY WOULD MAKE ILLEGAL ENTRY A CLASS ONE FELONY?
Of any open border Liberal impersonating a Dem delivering AMNESTY, to the 13 to 20 million illegal foreigners over here is–dead meat. GOOGLE–Voter Fraud; or Illegal alien costs; Another concern is that the Democrats voted–YES–on, is “totalization” agreement between the U.S. and Mexico that would grant Social Security benefits to Mexicans, including some who are here illegally, even if they didn’t work in the U.S. long enough to qualify for Social Security benefits. Our Senior Citizens have been gainfully employed all their life’s and these demented souls in Washington, want to share our weak Social Security and pensions with illegal aliens? GOOGLE–illegal aliens and Social Security.
Less educated citizens have been brain-washed to believe that this seventh AMNESTY isn’t going to cost the taxpayers–ANYTHING. But ask Robert Rector, Chief analyst at the Heritage Foundation that taxes will go up, to pay the 2.6 TRILLION dollar bill. Slowly this federal government is growing and spreading and we can only hope that the Tea Party candidates will begin reduction in this monstrosity. Yesterday the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals yesterday threw out part of an Arizona law requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote, but left standing a section requiring registered voters to present proof of identification to cast a ballot. This at least can divorce most non-citizen voters from casting a vote. This is extremely significant in tight races, when only say 800 voters can have a completely different outcome to who goes to Washington or State assembly.
To be fair, every polling location should have one Democrat and one Republican and an Independent as oversight referees to check for absentee ballots irregularities. This is where the honor system is most weak. With the money wasted by Democrats, Republicans it would be prudent to have a national Voter Identification card, with fingerprint and picture to halt for good any form of spurious voting. Vote for Candidates of the TEA PARTY, as our agenda is to remove the taint of escalating power of an out-of-control government, shrinking its size, reintroduce the instruction of the US CONSTITUTION and return the empowerment of the People from the overzealous and arrogant politicians. Tea Party will conform to the citizens referendum and not to the Socialist plan of President Obama and the majority of Democrats.
The Tea Party will not become political pawns of the Republican Party , its elitists views or any philosophies that is epidemic of GOP demagogues. The Tea Party is a very large moderate Conservative percentage to return these United States of America back to its people.
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
6:56 pm
Debbie, They told me there were.
Oh yeah sure they did!! They came up to you, Average American Citizen, and for no reason whatsoever said “Hey Amigo, I am illegal — I am going to vote tomorrow”.
Yep. I believe it happened just like that too…….
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
6:57 pm
“A young lady lies in a grave in our town and has for many years with no id possible”
Not to rain on your sob story parade, but you’re making a couple of assumptions..the biggest of which is that she HAD a family to mourn her. There really are people in the world who have no family. And the second is that if she HAD a family, your assuming THEY did NOT have something to do with her death.
My memory on the subject is fuzzy, but I believe a national ID card is unconstitutional…which is why we do not have a national system of drivers licensing.
RW-(the original)
October 27th, 2010
6:58 pm
Who to root for?
If it helps steer anyone to a better prediction I took Texas in 6.
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
6:59 pm
Methinks Francis may need her/his meds……
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 27th, 2010
6:59 pm
Let’s see. Voters who do not drive do not need a driver’s license. Nor do persons with disabilities. People not leaving the country do no need passports. Georgia’s law was passed without proof of a single case of voter fraud based on failure to show an id. Fraud is most likely to occur in absentee ballots or in systematic election fraud.
My Middle Name Is David
October 27th, 2010
7:00 pm
Josef -
You’re a regular and you seem like a reasonable person.
I suggested a National ID Card “similar” to the US PassCard. I’m soory the soldiers turned you away. That seems dumb but I’ll bet they were following orders and procedures.
Again – I’m talking about a secure National ID for all US citizens…. Yes I understand it’s controversial but I also believe the time has come and it should get done. State drivers licenses could “piggyback” onto the USID… Remember – Driving is not a right. It is a privilege granted by each individual state.
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
7:00 pm
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
6:54 pm
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
6:54 pm
Why do all the wannabees always claim to be ex-Marines? Why not Airman, or Sailors or heck Coast Guarders? Why always Marines? It’ll be a breath of fresh air on here if someone actually came in and told the TRuth about their military service. e.g.: I was a drunk for most of my military career and if I wasn’t in the drunk tank drying off I was somewhere pizzing on myself.
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Airman here. Could be because none were doing that as they were
too busy defending your right to say that.
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
7:01 pm
@Debbie-Does-Dallas:
You prove the point that you can’t argue with a fool. I will just leave it at that.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 27th, 2010
7:02 pm
Debbie, I dont think there are enough to handle all the crazy in Francis.
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
7:03 pm
DDR
Okay, advocatus diaboli here, but in tackling USMC, do bear in mind that the personal relationships ARE there above and beyond th political…
But as for that USMC and not Army, Navy, etc…I’ve wondered that one myself…but then Unmentionalble’s folks are usually USAF and our boy is Army…
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
7:03 pm
“IF ANY POLITICAL PARTY OR GOVERNMENT AGENCY HAD ANY TRUE COMMITMENT TO HALTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, THEY WOULD MAKE ILLEGAL ENTRY A CLASS ONE FELONY?”
What if we made it a Class 1 Felony to hire an illegal alien? Once again the Right howls against illegal immigration and yet, who hires them once the come to this country? The Right!
No job, no illegal immigration!
Have you ever though what it would cost to incarcerate every illegal immigrant caught in the U.S.?
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
7:03 pm
Dawg – I didn’t see your mama was on this blog!!! Tell her I said “hi”
Mr Right
October 27th, 2010
7:06 pm
AmVet
October 27th, 2010
6:20 pm
Back from work! So you do admit there is fraud but you downplay it as ho-hum no big deal. I wonder why ?
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
7:07 pm
I’ve got a dd214 and an Honorable Dischage that says USMC, Parris Island ‘1989.
What do you have Debbie?
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
7:08 pm
I don’t doubt USMC DAWG’s military credentials nor would I ever want to diminish his contribution to his country. However, everyone I have ever known who has witnessed death firsthand (including myself) don’t glory in it and very seldom want to even bring the subject up. Once you see death, there is no sport or joy in it.
Southern Comfort
October 27th, 2010
7:09 pm
All I had to do was read the first page and realize this is bound to become some liberal/conservative circle jerk. I’m so fed up with both sides, I’m ready to run a commercial of me giving both parties the middle finger and telling everyone to f’ off until they can start acting like grownups. I’ll see y’all sometime after the first week of November… This crap is getting old
Have fun rehasing the same tired arguments…. Talk about Nero fiddling while Rome is burning, You all are a full functioning orchestra.
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
7:09 pm
frog: Airman here. Could be because none were doing that as they were too busy defending your right to say that.
None of the people on this blog is past 55 – since the last war to “defend my freedom of speech” was fought during WWII (NOT Korea, Not Viet Nam, certainly NOT Desert Storm I & II nor in Iraq); I’d say you may be a bit off on that one.
josef: Being a military brat, with two siblings still in the military, a (for real) ex-Marine husband, and someone who volunteers REGuLARLY at the VA both here and at Walter Reed, I respect the military. What I don’t like are con men and liars and people who suffer from grandiose delusions.
Mick
October 27th, 2010
7:10 pm
josef
Good call on vancouver, I was trying to give it the old heave ho and see if you fell for it. Human nature is just that.
usmc
Please do not tar all dems. I have no problem showing ID and think all citizens should have one. Howeve,r if there are any old folk who do not have photo ID but can prove they are who they are, I have no problem letting them vote. The game is get out the vote and thrre are more registered democrats than repubs. This will be settled by next week and then we start blaming a new.
josef nix
October 27th, 2010
7:10 pm
David…
There are those who would question my “reasonableness!”
However, I go for the passport over the national ID for the simple reason that it “kills two birds with one stone.” There is a side of me that still says, “f-you! Why do I have to “prove” who I am” but, pragmatically and given the increasingly shrinking of frontiers, etc.. such a document would make life much easier. I think the fewer documents, the better. And, as I said earlier, the document issued by the federal govermnent affording the protection of the Department of State wherever I go ought to trump anything else…
My Middle Name Is David
October 27th, 2010
7:10 pm
Debbie versus Dawg — Hmmm
Bringing someone’s “mama” into this blog?
Sunflower vs. Leatherneck
Sunflower Socialist = LOSE EVERY TIME
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
7:10 pm
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
6:57 pm
A young lady lies in a grave in our town and has for many years with no id possible”
Not to rain on your sob story parade, but you’re making a couple of assumptions..the biggest of which is that she HAD a family to mourn her. There really are people in the world who have no family. And the second is that if she HAD a family, your assuming THEY did NOT have something to do with her death.
My memory on the subject is fuzzy, but I believe a national ID card is unconstitutional…which is why we do not have a national system of drivers licensing.
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I’m assuming nothing, It is impossible to exist without having
relatives in the world that I inhabit, being hatched or otherwise
spawned notwithstanding you should be, at least, interested
in helping find her killer as he killed a woman that could be
been one of your relatives. There is no mention of a National
Identification Card in any copy of the Constitution that I have
ever read or any mention of a woman as Justice Scalia has
said. Maybe the Young Lady has no right to be identified.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 27th, 2010
7:11 pm
mmmm…..That Debbie would put Dudley in his place…and his horse too!
Madison
October 27th, 2010
7:11 pm
And don’t forget how Scumbag Franken became a senator.
USMC DAWG
October 27th, 2010
7:13 pm
Soothsayer: I have never nor would ever glorify death or “pump” my chest about the military.
But I don’t need to hide it either. Trust me, I loathe people that smother you with the fact that they served our country. You do your duty and move on.
Mick
October 27th, 2010
7:13 pm
madison
Careful – your inner hate is showing and its looking nasty…
My Middle Name Is David
October 27th, 2010
7:13 pm
John Monds is far more qualified for Governor of Georgia than Al Franken or Barack Obama when he got elected.
Soothsayer
October 27th, 2010
7:14 pm
Point well taken.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
7:15 pm
“None of the people on this blog is past 55″
Are you sure of that?
Paul
October 27th, 2010
7:16 pm
Jay
“voting fraud was far more prevalent in the old days, when paper ballots were used, than they are today.
And I made this identical argument back when liberal fringe groups were making the “Diebold stole the election” claim.”
It’s obvious, isn’t it? Both sides need an underhanded, nefarious conspiracy to explain why the voters didn’t do the smart thing and give their candidate the victory!
josef nix 6:22
“I’ve REALLY been enjoying my fellow liberals back-tracking on the NPR fiasco!”
How and why is the back-tracking occurring?
Lil’ Bary 6:07
“with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year.”
“Registration” is not voter fraud. Registering to vote is the first step. Voter fraud doesn’t occur until someone votes, fraudently.
Organizations might get paid for however many new registrations they turn in. So the motivation may not be for a scheme to get ghosts to the polls, it may just be about money.
josef nix 6:41
That was stupid. Gate guards civilian contractors? Or military? Either way, next time you may want to ask for a supervisor and ask the magic words “can you show me which Army regulation states a driver’s license is the only form of permitted ID?” Amazing what happens when bureaucrats are asked for the written authority for their good ideas -