Voter-fraud claims a case of mass, self-induced hysteria
The charge that liberal groups are trying to steal elections through massive voter fraud has become an integral part of the conservative belief system. I used to think it was just a claim they used in a cynical effort to gain political advantage, and maybe that’s all it was in the beginning. But at this point, the charge is fully and sincerely believed by millions, and they are acting on that sincere belief.
Yet, there is no factual evidence whatsoever to sustain that claim. For eight years, the Bush Department of Justice tried very, very hard to come up with evidence of such a conspiracy. They even pushed good, conservative, effective federal prosecutors out of their jobs because those prosecutors were allegedly lax in pursuing such cases.
But eight years of effort and investigation produced nothing. In the end, they found no proof whatsoever of any conspiracy to commit large-scale voting fraud. Zero, nada, zilch.
Yeah, I know:
“ACORN.”
At this point in the debate, conservatives wave that word around as if it were a silver cross capable of fending off all manners of vampires, zombies and facts that they might find threatening to their world outlook.
It doesn’t work. Mythology aside, ACORN has never been charged, let alone convicted, of any effort to subvert free and fair elections. If the Bush DoJ had any evidence that ACORN or any other group was involved in such an enterprise, you can bet every single thing that you own that it would have tried to make that case. And it should have, because election integrity is crucial.
Yet it did nothing of the sort.
Given all that, the GOP fixation on voter fraud is explainable only as a case of mass, self-induced hysteria. I understand that sounds harsh. But if you have a better explanation, I’d love to hear it.
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Left wing management
October 27th, 2010
4:34 pm
Jay,
And don’t forget the assiduous efforts of conservatives over the years to whittle away at voter rolls through various means and to throw up various other roadblocks to voting for folks who in their eyes are n’er-do-wells (poll taxes, etc.).
Only the Right fights tooth and nail, in systematic fashion, to deprive its enemies of access to the vote. And that should also be included in the discussion here.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 27th, 2010
4:35 pm
AmVet
October 27th, 2010
4:31 pm
Harumph, harumph!!
Roybama
Shady Deal
John Who?
Pretty sad.
AmVet
October 27th, 2010
4:36 pm
“Amvet, So you don’t believe there any fraud going on ? Just asking!”
I know you are.
Just as I have asked you three times to support your claim that “…since in about all the cases it’s the libs that are doing it (voter fraud)!!” with the first shred of proof.
RW-(the original)
October 27th, 2010
4:37 pm
I thought the claims from the right were just to offset the inevitable claims we always get from the left. Of course we invite fraud in the name of making it easier to vote all the time. We should do away with early voting and make it a difficult and highly scrutinized process to vote absentee.
jewcowboy
October 27th, 2010
4:37 pm
Interesting that a Republican candidate for Senator would think so much voter fraud is happening in largely minority neighborhoods:
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=7714744
I wonder why that is? I’m certain his intention is not voter intimidation with his “voter integrity squads”.
jewcowboy
October 27th, 2010
4:41 pm
RW-(the original),
“We should do away with early voting and make it a difficult and highly scrutinized process to vote absentee.”
Why do away with early voting…what exactly would that accomplish other to ensure a lower turnout of non-salaried workers hourly?
jewcowboy
October 27th, 2010
4:43 pm
@ 4.41…that “hourly” at the end was unintended..
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 27th, 2010
4:45 pm
jewcowboy
October 27th, 2010
4:43 pm
Glad you corrected it. Someone was sure to call your hand on it.
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
4:45 pm
Regretfully the Republicans had no one experienced
at voter fraud in 2008. Sarah Palin as VP would
have been much more entertaining than Biden.
She may have surpassed Dan Quayle or GW.
Too bad.
kayaker 71
October 27th, 2010
4:45 pm
Bookman,
Sprung a leak? Hardly. Why would Democrats fund this much money into state elections to support Democratic candidates for SOS when they support few, if any, other state candidates, besides elections for governor? Couldn’t be to protect themselves from allegations of voter fraud. Nah. Can’t be for that reason. They just want Democrats to occupy SOS positions in all of these states maybe? Wonder why?
AmVet
October 27th, 2010
4:46 pm
jcb, re your 4:37, those damned jiggered districts!
Freudian Jim Crow, alive in the Macaca GOP…
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
4:48 pm
Thankfully Georgia has nullified voter fraud with the
choice of candidates.
Randalph
October 27th, 2010
4:49 pm
Just because there is no proof doesn’t mean that the Dem’s don’t promote voter fraud, it’s just a testament to their ability to hide thier crimes. Silly argument if you ask me, you have no proof!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 27th, 2010
4:49 pm
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
4:45 pm
I think Biden has already passed Quayle. After all, Biden spelled the three letter “job” word as “j o b s”, while Quayle stumbled on “potato”. He insisted there was an “e” at the end. “Potato” has twice as many letters as “job” so the buffoon award goes to Joe the Biden.
RW-(the original)
October 27th, 2010
4:49 pm
Why do away with early voting
Jewcowboy,
I just don’t like the idea of ballots sitting around for a month.
jewcowboy
October 27th, 2010
4:50 pm
kayaker 71,
“Wonder why?”
Maybe it’s the boogey man behind it…or perhaps just a self-reinforcing delusion of those on the right.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 27th, 2010
4:51 pm
jewcowboy
October 27th, 2010
4:37 pm
I don’t know why he suspected that. Perhaps it was that Mickey Mouse, Foghorn Leghorn, and Fred Flintstone were all registered voters in that minority neighborhood that gave him cause for suspicion.
Randalph
October 27th, 2010
4:51 pm
You do remember who held the South down after recontruction…you don’t you?
Dem’s! Dem hatin’ dern Dem’s!
Pogo
October 27th, 2010
4:51 pm
Who are “those” people jewdude, Black Panthers? (That’s a joke, though a very feeble one). I am friends with several successful black people (who voted for Obama in 2008) that are voting republican this time because they don’t want to pay higher taxes only to see our government throw their money away on mis-managed and ill conceived programs. They also don’t want to place unbearable debt on their children. The sad truth is, they tell me that they would never admit voting in this way because they would be so heavily ostrasized by members of their own families and their community. There is something just plain wrong with that. I vote and I am damned proud to tell people how I vote and I can’t even imagine how it would be not to be able to. Then again, I am also white.
Politically speaking, it would be very frustrating to be a black person in this country who chooses to stray from the democrat/progressive party. And, because of the amount courage that it takes for those that do, I deeply respect them. In some ways, slavery hasn’t ever ended. It just mutated into the democratic party. Oh, that’s right, that is where it began in the first place, isn’t it?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 27th, 2010
4:52 pm
jewcowboy
October 27th, 2010
4:50 pm
“Maybe it’s the boogey man behind it…”
I didn’t realize that KC of the Sunshine Band was so political.
jewcowboy
October 27th, 2010
4:54 pm
RW-(the original),
“I just don’t like the idea of ballots sitting around for a month.”
That’s sort of a lame excuse.
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
4:55 pm
Leg Lamp 4:49 Quayle was correct. Potato(e) can be
spelled either way. Biden is much better with ‘four’
letter words but is not as ‘pretty’ as Quayle or Palin
even with the hair plugs so he loses at entertainment.
Left wing management
October 27th, 2010
4:56 pm
Did somebody say Freud ?
jewcowboy
October 27th, 2010
4:57 pm
Pogo,
“The sad truth is, they tell me that they would never admit voting in this way because they would be so heavily ostrasized by members of their own families and their community.”
Don’t ask, Don’t tell.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 27th, 2010
4:58 pm
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
4:55 pm
Yeah, but Quayle and Palin aren’t as pretty as John “Two Americas” Edwards. The Breck Boy (no hair plugs needed) was almost our VP in 2004.
TINSTAAFL
October 27th, 2010
4:58 pm
No evidence of voter fraud? How about Al Franken. One of the most hilariously obvious cases of voter fraud I’ve ever heard of. Besides the fact that two dozen precincts reported more votes than they had eligible voters, they allowed boxes of votes found in the back of somebody’s car a week after the election to be counted.
Jay. How about reporting on New York’s refusal to send its military voters absentee ballots? I heard some counties in Illinois are guilty of the same thing. This is disenfranchisement, and completely delegitimizes the elections in those states. I think the elections in those states should be held off until military members can get their ballots in in time. Whoever is responsible for failing to send the ballots should be prosecuted for violating federal election laws.
Jay
October 27th, 2010
4:59 pm
Actually, THIS could be a real-time case of ongoing voter fraud, perpetrated on behalf of a Democrat, and again demonstrating that absentee ballots are a real problem.
http://www.nationalreview.com/battle10/251119/exclusive-patrick-murphys-campaign-linked-fictitious-voter-office-scandal-thomas-sha
jewcowboy
October 27th, 2010
4:59 pm
Anyway…I’m out of here to swim home…good thing I remembered my water wings today.
@@
October 27th, 2010
5:00 pm
DANG, RW! I voted Monday. Now you’ve got me worried.
I would share with jay’s left-wingers, the HUGE mistake my husband made at the polls….they would LOVE IT, but I won’t ’cause they’re nasty little people undeserving of a laugh.
Therefore, there will be no redistribution of the incident.
TINSTAAFL
October 27th, 2010
5:01 pm
I’ll agree with you on that Jay. I’m living out of state for a semester, and I was horrified at how easy it was for me to request and submit an absentee ballot. All you would have needed was my drivers license ID#.
kayaker 71
October 27th, 2010
5:02 pm
Ever wonder why Colorado might have been dragging their feet on mailing absentee ballots to servicemen/women overseas? Bernie Buescher, their SOS is a life long Democrat who did not benefit from SOS Project funds. How does the majority of the military vote in national elections?
Randalph
October 27th, 2010
5:02 pm
AL FRANKEN hehe “Please don’t call me maam, I worked very hard for this title!” hehe
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
5:04 pm
“One of the most hilariously obvious cases of voter fraud I’ve ever heard of”
I would suggest you do something really really radical and actually educate yourself on the FACT of that election before you make a fool of yourself by spouting off lies about it.
Oops. Too late!
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/07/19/coleman_franken_recount
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
5:05 pm
Leg Lamp 4:58 I know. My wife voted for the ticket because
he was on it. Doesn’t like him now.
RW-(the original)
October 27th, 2010
5:05 pm
That’s sort of a lame excuse.
jewcowboy,
Are you trying to make some other accusation that I’m missing? Every time we have a recount somewhere we have boxes of ballots suddenly showing up in a trunk or the corner of a room so having an extra month to “lose” them doesn’t seem like a great idea. I’d have no problem making election day a national holiday if that’s what you’re worried about.
md
October 27th, 2010
5:06 pm
I vote early more often than not……….why in the world wait for a day such as Tues that one has to go before or after work and stand in usually long lines???
I was in and out in less than 10 mins. with a whopping 1 person in line in front of me…….my better half.
@@
October 27th, 2010
5:07 pm
Pennsylvania!!??!! That’s Spectre’s state.
Pennsylvania Democrats….bitterly clinging to votes out of frustration.
Aahhh Oooooooo!
Jay
October 27th, 2010
5:07 pm
A more straight-forward, less breathless account of that suburban Philly situation is available here:
http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/28/2010/october/27/residents-cry-foul-over-ballots-1.html
Pogo
October 27th, 2010
5:09 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/27/watchdog-warns-seiu-contract-nevada-voting-machines-poses-fraud-concern/
No, there isn’t any reason to think that Nevada voting could be tainted in favour of the Dems, is there? SEIU overseeing the voting machines there for Godssake? Andy Sterns bunch? That is trully laughable. I see court cases on the horizon.
Scout
October 27th, 2010
5:11 pm
Headline: “Lawmakers May Probe Late Military Ballots”
Scout
October 27th, 2010
5:14 pm
Hummmmmm ………………………..
“CHICAGO (WLS) – Former President Bill Clinton’s ‘get out the vote’ rally for Democrats at a downtown Chicago hotel was the most unenthusiastic WLS veteran political reporter Bill Cameron has ever witnessed.
Clinton was an hour late for the Tuesday afternoon rally at the Palmer House and droned on for another hour, sending dozens of the few hundred Democrats in attendance for the exits.”
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
October 27th, 2010
5:14 pm
Sorry, ONE VOTE of fraud is too many. You’d understand it if you had a spine. But don’t worry in SIX days, you’ll reap what you sow.
Scout
October 27th, 2010
5:15 pm
Headline: “HILLARY FLEES USA FOR ELECTION!”
Hummmm ………….. interesting timing.
md
October 27th, 2010
5:17 pm
Jay, are you trying to disprove your own headline???
Nothing but hysteria and then provide links to possible election fraud??
This debate has gone off the cliff
October 27th, 2010
5:18 pm
This won’t be a problem as long as Nathan Deal pops up as Jay’s choice on Tuesday.
I seriously doubt he would be hysterical.
@@
October 27th, 2010
5:18 pm
IL GOP Wants Election-Day Deadline For Military Votes Erased
Illinois!!??!! Obama’s home state!!??!! This don’t look good.
Erase the deadline!
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
5:22 pm
Scout 5:15 the last word in the headline is
misspelled. replace l with r and you will see
the truth.
Scout
October 27th, 2010
5:22 pm
“WASHINGTON — After late-night clearance from a deeply split U.S. Supreme Court, Arizona officials executed murderer Jeffrey Landrigan on Tuesday, following a dispute over the source of a drug used in the lethal injection.
The high court’s 5-to-4 action at 10 p.m. ET, with the conservative majority in control and liberals dissenting, offered the latest twist in an ongoing controversy over lethal injection protocols.
Tuesday night’s execution appeared to be the first using a drug from a foreign country and came amid lingering questions over its safety and effectiveness.”
Uh ……………… am I missing something here ? Questions over its SAFETY ? Good grief, they’re trying to execute the guy ! SAFETY ?
This debate has gone off the cliff
October 27th, 2010
5:22 pm
I saw a guy today with an Obama bumper sticker on his car. He must have had ten tea bags in his mouth.
Jay
October 27th, 2010
5:23 pm
Well, md, once I found that incident, I couldn’t exactly hide it, now could I?
Wouldn’t be kosher.
I’ll also add that if the Pa. case is indeed a problem, it’s a whole different approach than the multiple-voting, dead-voting, illegal immigrant-voting, multiple-registration model that seems to keep so many in the GOP up late at night in worry. As I noted earlier, it’s an abuse of absentee balloting, which truly is a problem area all across the country, including Georgia.
Scout
October 27th, 2010
5:23 pm
barking frog :
HA !
@@
October 27th, 2010
5:24 pm
The MOVE Act, which is new this election, requires states to send overseas military voters absentee ballots at least 45 days before the election. Several states were granted waivers because of late primary dates but several, including Illinois, still failed to get their ballots out on time.
The DOJ sued, and came to a court-approved agreement with Illinois that the state would extend the deadline for postmarking military ballots from Nov. 1 to Nov. 2. The agreement also extends the deadline for receiving the ballots by two to three days, depending on the county, to Nov. 18 or Nov. 19.
The state GOP says that’s not enough, and filed a motion to intervene in the case. Among other things, according to court documents, the party demanded that the court erase any postmark deadline.
A federal judge, however, denied intervention during a hearing today, a DOJ spokesperson tells TPM.
The request, according to the head of the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ, was “unprecedented.”–TPM Muckraker
How very convenient. The MOVE ACT…a new law THIS election?
Hmmmmm
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
5:25 pm
“HILLARY FLEES USA FOR ELECTION!”
She’ll be Ok…she can just vote with an absentee ballot
Harry Callahan
October 27th, 2010
5:25 pm
jewcowboy
October 27th, 2010
3:37 pm
“The right sure seems to be scared by just about everything…why do I keep getting this image of the far right as Don Knotts in a Scooby Doo cartoon?”
Well…people on the right aren’t scared to death by the idea of taking personal responsibility for providing their own job, their own health care, and their own retirement income like you libs are.
Maybe that’s why I keep getting this image of jewcowboy as a guy who talks big on the internet, but is afraid to even make eye contact if you encounter him in public.
Jefferson
October 27th, 2010
5:25 pm
So is the deficit gone yet?
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
5:27 pm
Stop absentee voting fraud. Stop absentee voting.
Peter
October 27th, 2010
5:28 pm
Fear mongering IS the Republican Mantra….. Fox News is the leader there.
What color are we today orange ?
Scout
October 27th, 2010
5:28 pm
Jay:
“The Left’s voter fraud whitewash”
By Michelle Malkin • October 27, 2010 09:14 AM
http://michellemalkin.com/
I would love to see you debate her. How about setting it up?
kayaker 71
October 27th, 2010
5:28 pm
Looks like in Clark County Nevada, Prince Harry’s home town, the SEIU will be running the voting machines. Not to mention that group of people who were given sample ballots with Reid’s name pre-checked on the ballot. Voter fraud? Nah. Never happen.
Peter
October 27th, 2010
5:29 pm
Hey Jefferson ……..Has the Iraq War been paid for yet, or will the grand kids pay that off ?
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
5:29 pm
“people on the right aren’t scared to death by the idea of taking personal responsibility”
but they are scared of taking responsibility for stomping on young women after they’ve been knocked down and held there. In THOSE cases it’s the police’s fault for not stopping them, and therefore the young woman should be the one to apologize.
Harry Callahan
October 27th, 2010
5:31 pm
On a somewhat related note, I had jury duty in Cobb County earlier this year, and a woman got herself excused from jury duty by admitting to the court that she was not a citizen and had registered to vote fraudulently. The judge excused her, no one batted an eye, and she walked right out of the courtroom after giving the bailiff her name. She was black, by the way (I won’t call her African-American since she was apparently NOT American) so I’ll let you guys guess what party you think she was voting for before she got called to jury duty.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 27th, 2010
5:32 pm
Why don’t we just balance things out for the libs and get the Black Panthers involved?
@@
October 27th, 2010
5:32 pm
So is the deficit gone yet?
Nah, it’ll be showing up in the vote count Nov. 2…3???
Look for the “D”eficit to be reduced.
Jay
October 27th, 2010
5:32 pm
I doubt she’d be willing, Scout.
(And I’m not claiming that she’d be too scared to do so.)
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 27th, 2010
5:33 pm
Peter
October 27th, 2010
5:29 pm
How ’bout the Afghan war? Is it paid off? You know, the war that Obama said was the right war.
Harry Callahan
October 27th, 2010
5:33 pm
Doggone which is greater…the number of conservatives who have stomped on someone’s head. or the number of liberals who want handouts from government? I’d be willing to bet that the ratio is something on the order of 100,000,000 to 1.
Jay
October 27th, 2010
5:35 pm
Of course, Harry, you’d just be guessing too, especially since black immigrants have different voting patterns than African-Americans.
But don’t let that stop you ….
Harry Callahan
October 27th, 2010
5:35 pm
Doggone, has the left taken responsibility for the behavior of the Black Panthers in the last election?
Harry Callahan
October 27th, 2010
5:36 pm
Aren’t you at all curious how she got registered to vote, Jay? I was, but apparently the judge nor anyone else in the courthouse was similary outraged.
Mick
October 27th, 2010
5:36 pm
scout
I’d like to see malkin go up against rachel maddow. Just the facts, please.
By the way, it is a fact that jeb bush and katherine harris had over 60,000 african american voters scrubbed from precinct lists because their names were the same as some felons. Bush won florida by 538 votes, supposedly and gore won the popular vote by more than half a million. I didn’t hear any dems talking about 2nd amendment solutions in response.
Jay
October 27th, 2010
5:38 pm
yeah, Harry. And I hope somebody followed up on that. Just because she walked out doesn’t mean it wasn’t investigated. They clearly have her name and address.
This debate has gone off the cliff
October 27th, 2010
5:38 pm
From WFTV.com in Orlando, FL
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. — Daytona Beach City Commissioner Derrick Henry and his campaign manager, Genesis Robinson, were arrested Wednesday, charged with committing absentee ballot fraud during Henry’s 2010 re-election campaign, the Volusia County Sheriff’s Office said. According to his Facebook page, Henry is nonpartisan, which means he has no party affiliation.
http://www.wftv.com/news/25536806/detail.html
Harry Callahan
October 27th, 2010
5:38 pm
Mick, has it occurred to you that, if their names were the same as a felon, it’s quite possible that they WERE the felons in question?
Pogo
October 27th, 2010
5:38 pm
Deal is trash and Barnes is old news. Handel should have been the candidate.
On another note, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Stern
Nah, this guy’s union couldn’t possibly have a pro-progressive political agenda. And this union is overseeing the voting machines in Nevada?
And Lovely, who in this administration’s Justice Department would ever even persue any charges against ACORN as that would be the preverbial “shooting yourself in your own foot” syndrome? This makes your whole argument questionable and your party suspect. That is what happens when you have ideological zealots in charge.
Jimmy Joe Bob
October 27th, 2010
5:39 pm
Well, Jay, I don’t mind telling you I’m plenty worried. Onced we get control back of the House, peeple keep saying us Republicans is gonna “own” this economy. Whatever than means. What it looks like is this: if we get elected and cain’t do a miracle we gonna be right back in the toilet again. It’s all part of that there Obama’s grand strategy that’s what it is. Let us win the House and then blaming ever thang on us like we been a-doing to them. It just ain’t far. It just ain’t far!
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
5:40 pm
“Black Panthers in the last election”
What Black Panther behavior?
AmVet
October 27th, 2010
5:40 pm
You do remember who held the South down after recontruction…you don’t you?
Dem’s! Dem hatin’ dern Dem’s!
What you really mean is: Conservatives! Dem hatin’ dern Conservatives.
Liberals and progressives fought FOR civil rights. And in some cases, northern Jews for example, died for them. Just as they fought for the rights of women and others.
Conservatives fought against civil rights legislation. And against the rights of women and others.
That all those Democrats who did so, defected almost to a man to the GOP is interesting but not useful in this conversation…
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
5:41 pm
“it’s quite possible that they WERE the felons in question?”
Guilty until proven innocent?
Scout
October 27th, 2010
5:41 pm
Mick:
That’s because they don’t have any guns or if grandpa left them one they don’t know how to use it.
AmVet
October 27th, 2010
5:42 pm
Handel was a lightweight with no credentials and arguably with no proven ability.
Granted, she was no brazen thief like Nathan, but still a laughable candidate…
Mick
October 27th, 2010
5:43 pm
harry
Yes it did but upon further review what was scrubbed was everyone who had the same last name. Example: Johnson and how convenient that they all just happened to be african american. Look, I am pretty sure the dems with daley stole it from nixon and jeb for his brother – that doesn’t make it right or ethical.
Mick
October 27th, 2010
5:46 pm
scout
That’s kind of funny but the ability to use a weapon doesn’t always settle it; many can use their wit and courage to force an outcome to their advantage.
Harry Callahan
October 27th, 2010
5:46 pm
Just for you, Doggone…
“Malik Zulu Shabazz distanced himself from the actions of Minister King Samir Shabazz, seen in an amateur video from November 2008 brandished a billy club at a Philadelphia polling station, an incident that led to charges of coercion, threats and intimidation. The Black Panther chairman told Fox News’ Megyn Kelly that the actions caught on video “were outside of organizational policy.”
“Asked whether he agreed with the sentiments of Samir Shabazz, seen in other video footage calling white people “crackers” and urging blacks to kill them and their babies, the chairman said “no.” But he acknowledged he may have called whites “crackers” himself.”
“As chairman, Malik Shabazz was one of three Black Panthers charged in a civil complaint with violating the Voter Rights Act in the November 2008 incident, and Samir Shabazz specifically was accused of brandishing what prosecutors called a deadly weapon.”
Kamchak
October 27th, 2010
5:47 pm
Michelle Malkin
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
5:47 pm
Mick
October 27th, 2010
5:36 pm
I didn’t hear any dems talking about 2nd amendment solutions in response.
———————————————————
Nor any other constitutional solutions to either the
electoral college or the state selection of electors.
Appears we deserved what we got.
Harry Callahan
October 27th, 2010
5:48 pm
Doggone, I’ll re-state my question, are you on the left going to take personal responisbility for hter actions of hte New Black Panthers?
pat
October 27th, 2010
5:52 pm
I have read nothing about voter fraud lately, so what are you on about?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 27th, 2010
5:53 pm
Well, I’m flat-out against voter fraud. It got on my doo-doo list after they come out a little over year ago and said they were going to start a big investigation. I quit driving to Rome to vote and coming back to Forsyth County to vote again right then. Now, I just settle for a absentee ballot for my dead Mom and going to the polling place to vote for myself.
The reason they can’t catch the voter fraud is, the people that do it are too sneaky. You never can tell when some old Grandma in the line to vote is really a illegal in disguise. I say strip them buck-nekkid and wipe off the makeup to make sure they are who they say they are. Forget showing voter ID. They’d just have their picture taken in their disguise.
Anyhow, it might not worry Bookman, but I stay awake at night worrying about if some librul is registered twice with two names and addresses. That kind of thing could cost us Conservatives a chance to take over Congress and get rid of welfare and SS and Medicaid and all kind of junk.
Have a good night everybody. It’s still raining and I guess I’ll just stay inside and learn the Truth from Fox News.
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
5:53 pm
Harry – you forgot (conveniently?) the first paragraph in that story you quoted: “The chairman of the New Black Panther Party, in an interview Friday with Fox News, defended his group amid an uproar over a voter intimidation case dropped by the Obama administration, a move that an ex- Justice Department official alleges was for racial reasons.”
The people involved in that incident were not members of the Black Panthers. They were members of the NEW Black Panthers, a tiny fringe group with no real claim to call themselves by the name of a much more respected group.
So, again, I ask you: WHAT “Black Panther” behavior?
Mick
October 27th, 2010
5:54 pm
The new black panthers? Kinda of like the new coke – not going anywhere with that harry, sorry it won’t make your day..
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
5:54 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
5:55 pm
. I was referring to voting machines. I just cannot help but believe the electronic variety could be more easily manipulated.
OMG!!! I AGREE with the Humper/Whine……everyone, please, call the one you love the most NOW!! The world is about to come to an end………..
???????
October 27th, 2010
5:56 pm
every day .the same bunch of know it alls. the jay bookman club…pathetic…insignificant
Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
5:56 pm
“are you on the left going to take personal responisbility for hter actions of hte New Black Panthers?”
Nope. They are perfectly capable of taking personal responsibility for their own actions. Are YOU going to take responsibility for the actions of those thugs in KY?
Liberal lawyer
October 27th, 2010
5:56 pm
Leg Lamp,
There is much to suggest that Nixon was behind the Republican National Committee’s very active push for a recount in Illinois. He tried to take the high road on that one but others, including Nixon’s Republican contemporaries close to the issue, have said otherwise. There is some interesting reading to be found on the subject.
John Birch,
Florida 2000 wasn’t about voter fraud. It was about one candidate requesting a recount in accordance with Florida law and the other candidate arguing that Florida law was a violation of the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection clause. It was a Civil Rights case that the other candidate – the plaintiff in the case, Bush – won. It was one of the few times that the conservative majority heard an Equal Protection argument that they liked.
pat
October 27th, 2010
5:57 pm
ACORN workers were convicted of fraudulent voter registrations. Had they not been caught, this could have been used to perpetuate voter fraud. But again, I see no recent accusations of voter fraud so were did this line of thought come from?
Secondly, if there is voter fraud or attempted voter fraud it does indeed need to be dealt with harshly. They are, after all, screwing with the democtatic process with in this fine republic.
DebbieDoRight
October 27th, 2010
5:58 pm
Jay, there is a report out of Nevada the electronic machines are sometimes showing Harry Reid selected before the voter has made a selection. Officials are explaining it away as older citizens not accustomed to the electronic machines. Skeptics point to a union being responsible for maintaining the machines.
The Dog Ate My Homework!! Honest!!!
Social Democrats are delusional
October 27th, 2010
5:59 pm
From Wiki:
On The Civil Rights Act of 1964
Passage in the Senate
[President] Johnson, who wanted the bill passed as soon as possible, ensured that the bill would be quickly considered by the Senate. Normally, the bill would have been referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee, chaired by Senator James O. Eastland, Democrat from Mississippi. Given Eastland’s firm opposition, it seemed impossible that the bill would reach the Senate floor. Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield took a novel approach to prevent the bill from being relegated to Judiciary Committee limbo. Having initially waived a second reading of the bill, which would have led to it being immediately referred to Judiciary, Mansfield gave the bill a second reading on February 26, 1964, and then proposed, in the absence of precedent for instances when a second reading did not immediately follow the first, that the bill bypass the Judiciary Committee and immediately be sent to the Senate floor for debate. Although this parliamentary move led to a filibuster, the senators eventually let it pass, preferring to concentrate their resistance on passage of the bill itself.
The bill came before the full Senate for debate on March 30, 1964 and the “Southern Bloc” of 18 southern Democratic Senators and one Republican Senator led by Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage.[5] Said Russell: “We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states.”[6]
The most fervent opposition to the bill came from Senator Strom Thurmond (D-SC): “This so-called Civil Rights Proposals, which the President has sent to Capitol Hill for enactment into law, are unconstitutional, unnecessary unwise and extend beyond the realm of reason. This is the worst civil-rights package ever presented to the Congress and is reminiscent of the Reconstruction proposals and actions of the radical Republican Congress.”[7]
After 54 days of filibuster, Senators Everett Dirksen (R-IL), Thomas Kuchel (R-CA), Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), and Mike Mansfield (D-MT) introduced a substitute bill that they hoped would attract enough Republican swing votes to end the filibuster. The compromise bill was weaker than the House version in regard to government power to regulate the conduct of private business, but it was not so weak as to cause the House to reconsider the legislation.[8]
On the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) completed a filibustering address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier opposing the legislation. Until then, the measure had occupied the Senate for 57 working days, including six Saturdays. A day earlier, Democratic Whip Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, the bill’s manager, concluded he had the 67 votes required at that time to end the debate and end the filibuster. With six wavering senators providing a four-vote victory margin, the final tally stood at 71 to 29. Never in history had the Senate been able to muster enough votes to cut off a filibuster on a civil rights bill. And only once in the 37 years since 1927 had it agreed to cloture for any measure.[9]
On June 19, the substitute (compromise) bill passed the Senate by a vote of 73–27, and quickly passed through the House-Senate conference committee, which adopted the Senate version of the bill. The conference bill was passed by both houses of Congress, and was signed into law by President Johnson on July 2, 1964.[10]
AmVet
October 27th, 2010
5:59 pm
These conspiracy nuts would be much better off if they didn’t spend an inordinate amount of their time looking for black bogeymen everywhere…