Voter-fraud claims a case of mass, self-induced hysteria

The charge that liberal groups are trying to steal elections through massive voter fraud has become an integral part of the conservative belief system. I used to think it was just a claim they used in a cynical effort to gain political advantage, and maybe that’s all it was in the beginning. But at this point, the charge is fully and sincerely believed by millions, and they are acting on that sincere belief.

Yet, there is no factual evidence whatsoever to sustain that claim. For eight years, the Bush Department of Justice tried very, very hard to come up with evidence of such a conspiracy. They even pushed good, conservative, effective federal prosecutors out of their jobs because those prosecutors were allegedly lax in pursuing such cases.

But eight years of effort and investigation produced nothing. In the end, they found no proof whatsoever of any conspiracy to commit large-scale voting fraud. Zero, nada, zilch.

Yeah, I know:

“ACORN.”

At this point in the debate, conservatives wave that word around as if it were a silver cross capable of fending off all manners of vampires, zombies and facts that they might find threatening to their world outlook.

It doesn’t work. Mythology aside, ACORN has never been charged, let alone convicted, of any effort to subvert free and fair elections. If the Bush DoJ had any evidence that ACORN or any other group was involved in such an enterprise, you can bet every single thing that you own that it would have tried to make that case. And it should have, because election integrity is crucial.

Yet it did nothing of the sort.

Given all that, the GOP fixation on voter fraud is explainable only as a case of mass, self-induced hysteria. I understand that sounds harsh. But if you have a better explanation, I’d love to hear it.

573 comments Add your comment

Doggone/GA

October 27th, 2010
3:05 pm

Personally…I don’t think it’s “self-induced hysteria” – I think it’s a cynical ploy by the leaders to induce hysteria in their followers, to keep them from thinking too deeply about whom they are electing.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....

October 27th, 2010
3:08 pm

Jay,

While every claim of fraud will not be true, would you concede that electronic voting booths could be more easily tampered with (”fixed”) than other types of voting machines?

jm

October 27th, 2010
3:10 pm

Voter Fraud is generally a red herring. It occurs, and should be rooted out. But on an infrequent and apolitical basis, in my opinion.

Voters need to get their act together. Register where you live. If you’re here illegally or not a citizen, you have no business voting. End of story.

Jay

October 27th, 2010
3:12 pm

How about “any claim” of vote fraud, Leg Lamp?

And no, as demonstrated by Georgia history, both distant and recent, the form of voting most open to fraud is absentee balloting.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....

October 27th, 2010
3:12 pm

Doggone/GA
October 27th, 2010
3:05 pm

Speaking of hysteria, did you listen to many of the pep rallies POTUS conducted during the past week or two? Get real, politics is dirty on both sides.

Peadawg

October 27th, 2010
3:13 pm

“The charge that liberal groups are trying to steal elections through massive voter fraud”

Sounds like Democrats are getting scared just a couple of days away. Y’all gotta win somehow I guess…..

marky mark

October 27th, 2010
3:15 pm

I personally would like to see more vote monitors from both parties in the polling places at major colleges….that is where I have seen the most accusations in recent years – places where the students appear to be in charge. If people are truly concerned this is happening, why dont we forestall this by appointing monitoring teams from both sides of the isle??

And Jay, thanks for the admonishment on the last blog about name calling. When it gets that vicious, I sit on the sidelines and read and dont post. Most of the ugly things said seem to melt away when you posted that you agreed with @@……

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....

October 27th, 2010
3:15 pm

Jay
October 27th, 2010
3:12 pm

I believe Nevada, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania have already fielded complaints about voting machines and voter fraud. Whether any are true remains to be seen, but what’s your take if one proves to be valid?

Absentee voting. Yes, that would be the easiest to manipulate and it probably happens to a certain extent. I was referring to voting machines. I just cannot help but believe the electronic variety could be more easily manipulated.

@@

October 27th, 2010
3:15 pm

And the left’s claims of voter fraud?

Since we’re on the topic, will the DOJ get the ballots out to our military in time? If not, will their votes not count?

Jay, I’m very much into body language. Joy Behar’s “stomp off” during O’Reilly’s appearance made me laugh. Watch her body language here.

Typical female! Arms extended, fingers splayed, avoidance of eye contact. I was disappointed to see Whoopi, who I consider a reasonable and strong woman, storm off the stage behind Joy’s female drama act.

Anyhoo, now look at Joy when she’s talking about the Sharon Angle ad…when she’s confronting another woman (from a distance) I might add.

Do we need women like Joy to represent us? Not from @@’s perspective.

JohnnyReb

October 27th, 2010
3:15 pm

Doggone/GA@3:05 – “I think it’s a cynical ploy by the leaders to induce hysteria in their followers, to keep them from thinking too deeply about whom they are electing.”

Taking the forthcoming defeat badly are we? Crying towels at a nominal charge. Virtual towels free.

Jay, there is a report out of Nevada the electronic machines are sometimes showing Harry Reid selected before the voter has made a selection. Officials are explaining it away as older citizens not accustomed to the electronic machines. Skeptics point to a union being responsible for maintaining the machines.

barking frog

October 27th, 2010
3:17 pm

The major fraud in voting is the claim that electing
candidates from either party will change anything.

Jefferson

October 27th, 2010
3:17 pm

“It’s not who votes that counts, it who counts the votes that count”

@@

October 27th, 2010
3:17 pm

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....

October 27th, 2010
3:18 pm

I just find this hilarious…..

“Bookie says GOP can’t lose House, pays bets early…”

AmVet

October 27th, 2010
3:18 pm

Yes, there is much teeth gnashing over that ENORMOUS problem of voter fraud, that doesn’t exist.

But it sells well in the Ever Popular GOP Cult of Victimhood…

Jay

October 27th, 2010
3:18 pm

Leg Lamp, voting fraud was far more prevalent in the old days, when paper ballots were used, than they are today.

And I made this identical argument back when liberal fringe groups were making the “Diebold stole the election” claim.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....

October 27th, 2010
3:18 pm

barking frog
October 27th, 2010
3:17 pm

Harumph, harumph!!

Jay

October 27th, 2010
3:21 pm

“claims out of Nevada ….”

After all this time, that’s all the proof you got?

“… claims out of Nevada…?”

It sounds just like the claim of liberal fringe groups that the owner of Diebold was a Bush donor.

No evidence, no proof.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....

October 27th, 2010
3:21 pm

Jay
October 27th, 2010
3:18 pm

Again, Jay, we agree regarding paper ballots. I’m referring to voting machines, I’ve seen many varieties, but the touch screen seems as though it would be easier to manipulate.

I guess the biggest voter fraud “scandal” I ever read about was Daley’s Chicago vote for JFK in 1960. While the feds didn’t prosecute, and Nixon insisted they not, it seems as though it could have been very dirty and could have even tipped the election to JFK.

barking frog

October 27th, 2010
3:22 pm

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

October 27th, 2010
3:18 pm
—————————————-
…should just do like my wife….vote for the prettiest one.

RB from Gwinnett

October 27th, 2010
3:22 pm

Yea, Jay, we know. And bus loads of poor people will be denied their right to vote because they don’t have a photo ID too….

Jay

October 27th, 2010
3:22 pm

I suspect there was some truth to that Chicago claim, Leg. We’ll never know of course, but it smells right.

jm

October 27th, 2010
3:23 pm

And Bill Gross says it doesn’t matter. Don’t vote for either. Or roll the dice, close your eyes, and pick a ballot. They both mess up our country, so elections no longer matter since our country is already swirling the drain. Go drink some Margaritas at El Taco on Tuesday….

http://www.pimco.com/Pages/RunTurkeyRun.aspx

jm

October 27th, 2010
3:25 pm

Will be interesting. Nov. 3rd may become a date locked in infamy (for reasons completely unrelated to the election), depending on what happens in the subsequent months. We shall see.

Nice Guy

October 27th, 2010
3:25 pm

“Ever Popular GOP Cult of Victimhood”

Cult of victimhood, AmVet??

Hahahahaha…..

Oh my gosh….hahahaha.

Aren’t you the one who is always crying about how the corporates keep you down, how rich people keep you (middle class) down, etc….why yes, I do believe so….

Sheesh.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....

October 27th, 2010
3:25 pm

barking frog
October 27th, 2010
3:22 pm

“vote for the prettiest one.”

So this question begs to be asked – who does your wife plan to vote for in the GA Gub race?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....

October 27th, 2010
3:27 pm

RB from Gwinnett
October 27th, 2010
3:22 pm

Those same people would be denied renting a movie from Blockbuster as well with no photo ID.

Doggone/GA

October 27th, 2010
3:29 pm

“Taking the forthcoming defeat badly are we?”

How can I take badly what I’ve been expecting all along?

barking frog

October 27th, 2010
3:30 pm

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

October 27th, 2010
3:25 pm
barking frog
October 27th, 2010
3:22 pm

“vote for the prettiest one.”

So this question begs to be asked – who does your wife plan to vote for in the GA Gub race?

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First time probably Monds..
If second time..looks like Deal.

stands for decibels

October 27th, 2010
3:30 pm

But if you have a better explanation, I’d love to hear it.

I have two ‘splanations I’d alluded to downstairs for why you’re hearing about it so much real recently:

1) The GOP is preemptively giving themselves an excuse should they underperform next week. Goldurn it, we would’ve taken the House but, but, ACORN!

(see also Citizen Kane, the “FRAUD AT POLLS!” front page headline they had all ready to go if Charles Foster lost…)

2) More likely, though, it’s just a GOTV thing. Their polling might’ve shown some unexpected apathy an fear of urban Negroes and pony-tailed hippies canceling out their votes might be what’s needed to get Gramps and Gran TPer out of the Barcolounger and into the voting booth.

@@

October 27th, 2010
3:30 pm

And I made this identical argument back when liberal fringe groups were making the “Diebold stole the election” claim.

O-:MG, jay!!!!

You have totally destroyed the left’s claim to the 2000 election.

AL GORE BE DAMNED!!!!!!

That ^^^ was fun.

JDW

October 27th, 2010
3:31 pm

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

October 27th, 2010
3:08 pm

“While every claim of fraud will not be true, would you concede that electronic voting booths could be more easily tampered with (”fixed”) than other types of voting machines?”

Ok Lamper, I agree with you on this one.

I am not saying there has been widespread electronic vote fraud but there could be. From a technology design perspective there are significant flaws. The most obvious being no “root physical record”.

The closest analogy is the implementation of VAT tax collection in Europe. While the collection and payment of taxes is electronic most places still require a tamper proof fiscal printer that prints each transaction as it occurs. The POS terminal will not operate without the printer attached and active. That way if you ever need a paper record it is there for reference. This feature was omitted from electronic voting systems to save a buck. There is no root record of votes. Change the digital info you change the vote count.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....

October 27th, 2010
3:32 pm

barking frog
October 27th, 2010
3:30 pm

So Monds is the prettiest of the three? Hmmm, maybe so, but I don’t know about Deal in the second round. When he smiles his face crinkles up and looks like it’s going to crack into a million pieces. Sort of like when Pat Buchanan smiles.

marky mark

October 27th, 2010
3:33 pm

Jay, where do you stand on the photo ID issue? I think its a reasonable request. I dont know if anybody else here has moved back home to GA, but I did in March after being in Florida for 10 years. They made me jump thru hoops at the DMV, and then gave me my old ID# I had had since I was 15. Birth certificate, proof of GA residence, the whole nine yards. And my wife….oh man, she had to go get her marraige certificate from the state of Florida to go along with her birth certificate to have a clear trail of name change. Years ago, getting a license was nothing, but since 9/11 it changed. It makes me wonder about how people who got licenses to drive 15 years ago, perhaps illegally, if they could past the tests again….

John Birch

October 27th, 2010
3:33 pm

How about the Al Franken recount where 25 precincts reported having more ballots in the recount than voters that signed in at the poll?
But wasn’t it the Dems scraming about stealing the election and illegal election in the Bush brothers Florida recount? I don’t think claims of voter fraud are only made by one party.

marky mark

October 27th, 2010
3:36 pm

should have been more clear…my wife was first married 30 years ago at 19; she had to pay 60 dollars to get Miami/Dade County to research and make a copy of marriage certificate for Ga….took more than two months for the documentation. She actually drove back to fla to renew that license so she would not have an expired license….

jewcowboy

October 27th, 2010
3:37 pm

The right sure seems to be scared by just about everything…why do I keep getting this image of the far right as Don Knotts in a Scooby Doo cartoon?

(Of course, I guess that makes the far left Thelma and Shaggy)

They asked for it

October 27th, 2010
3:37 pm

I’ll stick with the hysteria line. It sounds more apropos. Those silly compassionate conservatives and their conspiracy theories and fears of stolen elections and lack of long forms and such. :roll:

barking frog

October 27th, 2010
3:38 pm

The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….

October 27th, 2010
3:32 pm
So Monds is the prettiest of the three? Hmmm, maybe so, but I don’t know about Deal in the second round. When he smiles his face crinkles up and looks like it’s going to crack into a million pieces. Sort of like when Pat Buchanan smiles
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Deal will probably beat Barnes and Monds both but
I don’t think he’ll be smiling much in the next year or
so…Dem administration will try to fry him….

BADA BING

October 27th, 2010
3:39 pm

Vote for the prettiest one? If Hillary Clinton had been the nominee instead of obama, I would have had to vote for McCain !

Jay

October 27th, 2010
3:39 pm

It would have been a lot easier to accept the Ga. voter ID bill as well intentioned and not politically motivated if, in the very same bill, they hadn’t WEAKENED ballot-security provisions regarding absentee balloting, which is where the real, documented cases of vote fraud existed.

(Of course, the fact that the GOP typically has an advantage in absentee voting had nothing to do with that decision).

As a result:

http://www.macon.com/2010/06/29/1179056/ex-dodge-sheriff-gets-18-months.html

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2010/07/26/until-south-georgia-voter-fraud-inquiry-is-settled-terry-coleman-says-hell-hold-off-on-concession/

BADA BING

October 27th, 2010
3:41 pm

No voter frahd anywhere, at anytime? Have you not read the massive amount of books and articles about how LBJ got elected Gov. of Texas? That is the most ridiculous claim I have ever heard.

Hillbilly Deluxe

October 27th, 2010
3:42 pm

Looks like most every discussion from here ’til late next week is going to be “D vs. R” or “R vs. D”. Y’all have fun.

Jay

October 27th, 2010
3:42 pm

You might be right, Bada Bing, if someone had actually MADE that claim.

Mr Right

October 27th, 2010
3:43 pm

Of course Jay is going to say there is no fraud since in about all the cases it’s the libs that are doing it!!

JohnnyReb

October 27th, 2010
3:43 pm

I agree with the absentee ballot issue. Until security of those are ensured, other voter fraud enforcement is mostly show.

BlahBlahBlah

October 27th, 2010
3:44 pm

Care to provide proof of this “fixation”? Talk show nutjobs don’t count.

AmVet

October 27th, 2010
3:44 pm

John @3:33.

You are correct. I had been leaning very heavily towards leaving the Democratic Party 12 or more years ago.

And then when those louts tried every trick in the book, legal or otherwise, to keep Ralph Nader and anybody else they deemed a threat, out of the race, I knew they were hopeless.

Then some of the less lucid of them blamed -and still do) Nader for the ascension of King George.

Never mind that even Gore himself said that was not the case.

They are as self-serving and servile as the hapless and hopeless GOP…

Jimmy62

October 27th, 2010
3:45 pm

Of course the government didn’t find anything. If they had, it would delegitimize themselves. How many people are going to go out of their way to say “Yeah, it turns out I’m here on a lie.” Not gonna happen, especially with power hungry politicians, no matter their political persuasion.

There is too much evidence of voter fraud not to believe it’s happening. Is it enough to swing major elections? That I couldn’t say. But I can say with a fair amount of confidence that there is definitely voter fraud going on out there, and anyone who disagrees is being naive.

jewcowboy

October 27th, 2010
3:45 pm

Voter fraud? The Republicans should be very wary of this subject lest their own actions be brought to light….

“A report by the public-integrity section of the Justice Department found that from October 2002 to September 2005, the department charged 95 people with “election fraud”; 55 were convicted.

Among those, fewer than 20 people were convicted of casting fraudulent ballots, and only 5 were convicted of registration fraud. Most of the rest were charged with other voting violations, including a scheme meant to help Republicans by blocking the phone lines used by two voting groups that were arranging rides to get voters to the polls.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/27/us/politics/27fraud.html

AmVet

October 27th, 2010
3:46 pm

“Of course Jay is going to say there is no fraud since in about all the cases it’s the libs that are doing it!!”

Then your mission is ridiculously simple.

Please provide proof thereof.

Take your time…

jm

October 27th, 2010
3:46 pm

Um, Jay if you 3:42 is referring to Bada’s 3:41, may I refer you to Robert Caro….

BlahBlahBlah

October 27th, 2010
3:46 pm

With the emergence of “early voting” why do we even need absentee balloting? I guess military stationed overseas would be an obvious exception. But who else should need to vote via absentee methods? If that’s where all the fraud is, why not tighten up who gets to use this voting method?

And why shouldn’t someone be required to prove their identity before they vote in person? What’s the problem?

jm

October 27th, 2010
3:47 pm

Jay, ignore my 3:46 – I got what you were saying. nevermind.

barking frog

October 27th, 2010
3:48 pm

Cross party voting in primaries is deceitful but
is not fraud.

Jay

October 27th, 2010
3:48 pm

So Jimmy, what is this “evidence” of which you speak?

And are you suggesting that the Bush administration didn’t WANT to find evidence of liberal vote fraud, or that it covered up the evidence that it found?

It’s amazing the contortions that people will put themselves through to cling to cherished beliefs in the face of facts.

Mr Right

October 27th, 2010
3:49 pm

Amvet, so you don’t believe that there is any fraud going on ?

BADA BING

October 27th, 2010
3:49 pm

Jay, I did not say your claim. You state that the Bush Dept. of Justice found zero, nada, zilch. Isn’t that a claim?

Jay

October 27th, 2010
3:51 pm

Yes, Bada. And my statement is accurate.

But the Bush DoJ wasn’t investigating LBJ’s Senate campaign of 1948, or the presidential election of 1960.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....

October 27th, 2010
3:53 pm

I just read where ACORN claims there was no voter fraud going on in this years election. Feel better everyone? :cool:

John Birch

October 27th, 2010
3:55 pm

Amen AmVet – That’s why I voted for Barr and I’ll be voting for Monds on Tuesday. When all the parties can do is nominate an obvious crook and an obvious known failure, I’m taking the other alternative. I plan to try and vote about 847,263 times, which should be plenty to give Monds a very surprising upset victory!!!!

Where's My Party?

October 27th, 2010
3:55 pm

I think it’s more a result of the 24 hours new/blog/facebook/internet/twitter society we live in. If we didn’t have all of these sources needing things to report as “news” it would hardly be a blip on the radar. Same with that idiot who stepped on the other idiot in Kentucky. Nobody would have ever known about it outside the event. And we would all be better for it.

Jack

October 27th, 2010
3:56 pm

Liberals gettin’ a little testy now ain’t they?

jconservative

October 27th, 2010
3:56 pm

Reminds me of the 1960 election between Nixon and Kennedy.

After the election Republicans made claims that the Democrats “stole” the election in Pennsylvania. And they were sure they proved it.

The Democrats made claims that the Republicans stole the election in Illinois. And they were sure they proved it.

Both sides met, discussed the claims and the lawyers tore up their lawsuits and everyone went home.

I never did find out if both sides were guilty or both sides innoccent.
The issue was quietly swept under the proverbial political rug.

Moderate Line

October 27th, 2010
3:58 pm

Given all that, the GOP fixation on voter fraud is explainable only as a case of mass, self-induced hysteria.
++++++++++
Why would ensuring that procedures are in place to make sure voter fraud doesn’t happen be considered hysteria. Elections are the foundation of democracy so ensuring the integrity of system ensures faith in the system. I don’t believe their is wide spread fraud but it would only seem that something as important as an election in democracy should have the highest standards.

jm

October 27th, 2010
3:58 pm

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....

October 27th, 2010
4:01 pm

Speaking of “self-induced hysteria”, I remember seeing a Dade County Florida resident on TV after the 2000 “hanging chad” fiasco, and he claimed people were running and sreaming in the streets, crying and pulling their hair and all that, after they “discovered” they voted for Buchanan rather than Gore. Wish I had a video of that load of crap.

kayaker 71

October 27th, 2010
4:02 pm

Bookman,

Heard of the Secretary of State Project that was launched by the Democratic Party around 2005? Present donor to the program is George Soros with over 1M in donations. Every wonder why the Democrats would get behind a project to support elections for state Secretaries of State? Because they are the ones who are in charge of penalties for voter fraud, voter intimidation, voting machines, etc. They are the final arbiteur of disputes over elections in most every state. They got behind this project to keep the Katheryn Harris types out of a job. Look at their web site. They go on and on about how important it is to elect a Democratic SOS in “every state”. Wonder why?
John Kerry lost Iowa by 55K votes in 2004. Lots of controversy about the outcome but if he would have won Iowa, we would have had a Democratic president. If you have one of your own calling the shots, the odds are much better for the outcome. Look at Al Franken. How do you think he got into the Senate? Do you think that the Democratic Party would be pouring this much money into state elections if they were not benefiting from the outcome?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....

October 27th, 2010
4:03 pm

John Birch
October 27th, 2010
3:55 pm

If you’re successfully able to vote 847,263 times then expect a visit from the Democratic National Committee. They’ll want to know how you did it so they can put it in their next playbook.

AmVet

October 27th, 2010
4:03 pm

“Of course Jay is going to say there is no fraud since in about all the cases it’s the libs that are doing it!!”

Then your mission is ridiculously simple.

Please provide proof thereof.

Take your time…

And your response?

“Amvet, so you don’t believe that there is any fraud going on ?”

Whether I do or do not is immaterial.

You made the claim as a statement of fact.

And I asked you to provide proof.

And do so again…

Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 27th, 2010
4:05 pm

Speaking of voter fraud, indictment today in Florida, http://www.wftv.com/news/25536806/detail.html. Silly, mass hysterical grand jury!

jm

October 27th, 2010
4:07 pm

Obama doesn’t understand self-interest. We’re in trouble until we get a new president.

http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aMjw2WO0Lsd8&pos=6

Mr Right

October 27th, 2010
4:07 pm

Did you ever see an election where they had a recount that the Republican gained votes ? Did you ever wonder why ?

jm

October 27th, 2010
4:07 pm

Well, the October drought is over….

Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 27th, 2010
4:07 pm

Yes, of course the population in Daytona is 52% democrat.

barking frog

October 27th, 2010
4:08 pm

Voter fraud like waterboarding is sometimes necessary to
protect the Nation.

jm

October 27th, 2010
4:09 pm

Ragnar – you better have my gold.

stands for decibels

October 27th, 2010
4:10 pm

Look at Al Franken. How do you think he got into the Senate?

Oh, do go on, K-71. Tell us how that recount–administered by Republican Governor Tim Pawlenty, wherein all the disputed ballots were posted online for anyone to review–was fishy.

jt

October 27th, 2010
4:11 pm

Whoever votes for Isackson will be VOTING for a fraud.

Ditto Deal or Barnes.

jewcowboy

October 27th, 2010
4:11 pm

right wing delusion is funny in a pathetic kind of way…

Mr Right

October 27th, 2010
4:11 pm

Amvet, check out the 4:05 post, that’s a start!

jm

October 27th, 2010
4:17 pm

Lord. We need to focus on the economy. And yet, those blog post debates go on endlessly and no one ever agrees. I think we’re toast. Finished. Kaput. Until 2012.

John Birch

October 27th, 2010
4:18 pm

jm – Good article. That’s pretty much been my take for awhile and Bush running huge deifcits and Obama sending 50,000 troops into Afghanistan just confirms my belief. It’s really a lot like the Ned Beatty scene in Network where now even Presidents don’t dare mess with the fundamental powers of the universe. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors to distract the public from the real magic, like Goldman Sachs paying ever bigger bonuses while the middle class is squeezed tighter and tighter.

AmVet

October 27th, 2010
4:19 pm

“Amvet, check out the 4:05 post, that’s a start!”

Did you even read the article???

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. — Daytona Beach City Commissioner Derrick Henry and his campaign manager, Genesis Robinson, were arrested Wednesday, charged with committing absentee ballot fraud during Henry’s 2010 re-election campaign, the Volusia County Sheriff’s Office said. Henry is nonpartisan, which means he has no party affiliation.

This is often times what happens when you don’t do your own work.

So, for the third time where is your proof as to “…since in about all the cases it’s the libs that are doing it!!”

kayaker 71

October 27th, 2010
4:20 pm

The Secretaries of State project is closely allied with another peachy clean liberal group called the Democracy Alliance, made up, to name a few, of the following:

ACORN
Air America
America Votes
Ctr for American Progress
Center for Progressive Leadership
People for the American Way
Progress Now
Progressive Majority.

Think that they are not looking out for their own? Anything to have those evil Katheryn Harris types of the loop. Mark Ritchie, the MN SOS is a member of the SOS project and Democracy Alliance, being the good Democrat that he is. At least Frankin’s election was decided by just 312 votes.

Left wing management

October 27th, 2010
4:21 pm

“Given all that, the GOP fixation on voter fraud is explainable only as a case of mass, self-induced hysteria”

Theft being the essential – paranoid – element in the Rightist world view, it follows that there must be a concerted effort to sustain the notion at all times of electoral power being in effect stolen away from its rightful owners.

Even in the opposite case, where for ex. the Left assailed Bush for stealing the election in ‘00 there was nothing approaching what we see from the Right as a matter of routine. There the accusation of personal wrong-doing was leveled against Bush, but the accusations essentially went away. Whereas to the gaze of the Right-wing true believer there are electoral thieves all over the place, from ACORN all the way up the chain tot he president himself, who in their view is an ideologically ‘thief’ sucking the blood from the very marrow of the country right from the halls of power.

Jefferson

October 27th, 2010
4:21 pm

It is funny when a team blames the ref for a loss.

Jay

October 27th, 2010
4:22 pm

So Democrats trying to elect Democrats as secretaries of state is evidence of widespread voter fraud?

I think Kayaker has sprung a leak.

Mr Right

October 27th, 2010
4:22 pm

Amvet, So you don’t believe there any fraud going on ? Just asking!

Pogo

October 27th, 2010
4:23 pm

IF there is voter fraud (and we all know there is), the group that is easily most susceptible to that tactic is the liberal voting base as it is mainly comprised of those who worship the “Entitlement” culture, so-to-speak. They don’t want to pay but boy do they want the “government” (i.e, the working taxpayers) to give. All one has to do is look at the liberals that are on this blog all day every-day. One has to wonder, exactly how do they make their living? I suspect that there are government checks involved and most probably they are on SS and Medicare both of which they have probably already taken out more than they ever put in. There’s nothing to lose for people who don’t have to pay the bills. If you are one of those, it would be easy to be a liberal. This view is bound to raise Jay’s ire.

As for Jay’s earlier piece about the conservatives “inflexibility of thought”, that was total rubbish. The liberals/progressives today are the most inflexible bunch that have ever existed in American political thought. They are just too damned stupid to realize that they have become what they espouse to detest (which is restriction of free thought). Todays liberal, contrary to the typical definition of a liberal, believes that you either believe as they do or you are to be totally discounted or worse.

Scout

October 27th, 2010
4:25 pm

Jay:

What’s up with all of this I hear about our military overseas getting left out of the picture ?

lovelyliz

October 27th, 2010
4:26 pm

In 2002, John Sununu won a close Senate race. On Election Day 2002, there were charges of “phone jamming” the Democrats’ get out the vote efforts. While Sununu probably would have won even without this, there was ultimately the conviction of three NH Republican Party officials of violating Federal Communications Law:

Charles McGee and two other participants — Republican National Committee regional political director James Tobin and GOP consultant Allen Raymond– have been found guilty of criminally violating federal communications law. Tobin will be sentenced today in U.S. District Court in Concord, N.H.

It should be noted that right before the phone jamming scheme, there were two $5,000 contributions from Jack Abramoff clients as well as another $5,000 from Tom DeLay’s “Americans for a Republican Majority” PAC.

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October 27th, 2010
4:26 pm

Indeed, the two Democrats on the three-member board of elections, an elected body, testified that they were aware of the voter fraud, had intentionally failed to enforce the election law and had later tried to conceal their activities by hurriedly certifying the Democratic candidate as the winner.

Judge Newcomer ordered that Mr. Stinson, a 49-year-old former assistant deputy mayor of Philadelphia, be removed from his State Senate office and that Mr. Marks, a 36-year-old lawyer and former aide to United States Senator Arlen Specter, be certified the winner within 72 hours.

“This is extraordinary relief,” Judge Newcomer wrote. “However, it is appropriate because extraordinary conduct by the Stinson campaign and the board tainted the entirety of the absentee ballots.”

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9802E5DE153BF93AA25751C0A962958260&sec=&spon=&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

Since Marks (the declared winner) was a former aide to Arlen Spectre. Either way ‘ya look at it, this was Democratic voter fraud. No Republicans involved.

Schnirt.

lovelyliz

October 27th, 2010
4:27 pm

A leading candidate to head the Young Republican National Federation is also one of the few people actually charged and convicted for voting shenanigans in recent years.

The candidate, Rachel Hoff, pled guilty to the misdemeanor of notarizing absentee ballot signatures without actually witnessing them during the 2004 South Dakota Senate race, when she was working for the state Republican Party on behalf of John Thune, who went on to beat Tom Daschle.

Local authorities charged six Republicans with violating the rules, and the State Attorney General, Larry Long, explained the rare decision to prosecute notary violations on the grounds that they had invalidated the ballots of students who intended to vote

jewcowboy

October 27th, 2010
4:27 pm

Doggone/GA,

“I think it’s a cynical ploy by the leaders to induce hysteria in their followers, to keep them from thinking too deeply about whom they are electing.”

Or more likely a way to ensure voter intimidation at the polls to keep “those” people from voting for Democrats.

lovelyliz

October 27th, 2010
4:27 pm

“Jacoby and Young Political Majors were hired by the California Republican Party to head up their voter registration efforts in the state. Jacoby had been arrested for Voter Registration Fraud last October, smack dab during the media’s orgasmic heights of last year’s phony GOP ACORN “Voter Fraud” hoax, even as Fox “News” (and the other news outlets who similarly fell for the scam) were going wall-to-wall with their unsupported insinuations about voter fraud by ACORN, Democrats and Obama.”

lovelyliz

October 27th, 2010
4:28 pm

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/acorn_accusations.html
Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes.

lovelyliz

October 27th, 2010
4:29 pm

“Those who wish to believe in the hoax, however, attempt to link to article after article about allegations of voter fraud carried out by ACORN. And yet, the articles themselves — if one bothers to actually read them — reveal that either 1) They describe allegations and investigations brought by Republican agents, with little or no evidence of any wrong doing, and certainly no “voter fraud,” 2) Where voter registration fraud has occurred it has been by rogue ACORN employees, originally reported to authorities by ACORN themselves (who are the actual victims of any such fraud by their employees), or 3) Smoke and mirrors are used to cloud the fact that not a single fraudulent vote has actually been cast by anyone.”

lovelyliz

October 27th, 2010
4:31 pm

According to a recent analysis by Lorraine Minnite, an expert on voting crime at Barnard College, federal courts found only 24 voters guilty of fraud from 2002 to 2005, out of hundreds of millions of votes cast. “The claim of widespread voter fraud,” Minnite says, “is itself a fraud.”
And what about ACORN? Aren’t they guilty of voter fraud. Actually, no. Of the millions of voters they have registered, only asmall percentage of registrations have been found to be fraudulent, and most of those were identified and flagged by ACORN iteself. By law ACORN and all other groups have to examine the registrations and look for bad registrations–but even this is besides the point. Every state has a system to validate new registrations (just as they do with other documents such as drivers licenses, business permits etc) and states have extensive systems designed not to prevent voter fraud.

AmVet

October 27th, 2010
4:31 pm

John @3:55, LOL!

So you’re an adherent of the old philosophy, Vote Early and Vote Often!

I cannot, as a sentient being, vote for Nathan “Crooked” Deal.

And Roy Barnes had a mixed record as governor.

There is part of me that wants to vote for Monds as well, but I find the lack of substance on his website troubling. I do like the Keep your nose out of personal, private matters mantra that the Libertarians espouse, but I also sense that he is a Republican-lite and a corporate wh*re…

And if ever there was time for None of the Above voting, this is it…