Peering inside the right-wing apparatus

While we’re at it let’s peer into the application Obama wanted job seekers to fill out

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“While we’re at it”…

Would you care to quote anything from that document that even APPROACHES the ideological bent of the ones that Jay has posted?

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RW-(the original)

Well, here’s hoping the Republicans’ quest for purity works out as well as the Democrats’ quest -

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RW – … and your point? show me one thing that is anywhere NEAR an idiological purity test in that questionnaire?

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Wow, we are clearly dealing with a group of nutcases. Whatever happened to individuality? They are clearly of the group think mentality. I’ve known for a while that this country is in serious trouble and we haven’t seen anything yet.

When Bush stated you are either with us or against us, I knew it was over.

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Well, I see the GA Board of Regents is finally doing something about the terrible discrimination against dummies in our state colledges. They say that only 60% graduating ain’t good enough. They want more degrees handed out. I say good for them. I never made it out of 5th grade myself, but I still want a colledge degree. Maybe a PhD. Dr. Convert—it’s got a nice ring to it. I pay taxes to support the colledges and I don’t see why I can’t have a degree for it. If our lower schools can have Social Promotion and give out grades that don’t mean much, I don’t see why our colledges can’t. I told you all that getting Republicans to run this state would help us all out big-time.

Anyway, Bookman oughtn’t to be writing about my apparatus. That’s a private matter for good straight folks. But if a good Conservative can’t pass that test, he’s got no business working anyplace. The right answer to most anything is No, No, No.

I got to admit I’m kind of down this a.m. The polls show my favorite right-wing politican, Rep. Jim Marshall, is down over 10 pts. to his Republican opponent. Even calling Nancy Pelosi a scum-bag hasn’t helped him. Far as I’m concerned, he’s the best Republican GA ever had, even if he does disguise it with a big D after his name. He’s voted with the Republicans 99% of the time and they still want to throw him out of office. I just don’t understand it.

Have a good day everybody.

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Haha, it’s hilarious when you post stuff like that. Especially when just a week ago a prominent liberal lost his job on NPR for daring to say something that didn’t meet the approval of the left. He stepped outside of your groupthink and got punished for it.

NPR is a much bigger deal then the Heritage Foundation, and uses far, far larger amounts of taxpayer dollars.

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Now we know. Democrats are unfairly discriminated against because they can’t get jobs on republican staffs. It’s just a matter of time before the ACLU files a law suit and every republican congressman or senator is mandated to have at least one card carrying democrat on his or her inner staff. Oh the humanity.

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“And if you can’t see the purity test in the Obama application then you’re really beyond help.”

point it out. tell us the questions that are beyond the purity pale.

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Great point Jimmy62. That was a great example of just how big their tent is.

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I keep hearing how we are a center right country but this is an example of a party where there is no center allowed. Good for them, it is who they are now. I’m hoping that this has been a costly blip in the scheme of american politics. The republican party cannot sustain itself by tax cuts alone. I’m hoping the day of reckoning comes sooner rather than later but surely it will come as our population and cultural mix heads steadily to the center.

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“And if you can’t see the purity test in the Obama application then you’re really beyond help”

Couldn’t find any to quote, huh?

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ladies and gentlemen … for your consideration … the problem with America today in one simple sentence:

“For most purposes, (politics) is war short of physically killing someone”

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I find it humorous how many of you liberal bloggers have convinced yourself that the swing to the right in this election is a good thing for democrats. That in some way, it’s not a condemnation that you aren’t nearly as main stream as you think you are. That America saw your ideas and said “No”.

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USinUK

“as long as it’s not a TAB … blech”

Tab? I think I read about that in a ‘Cultural History of the US” course. Then there was that strange “Tab” reference in one of those “Back to the Future” movies.

Off topic

Jay

Just returned from southern Cal. In one affluent community I saw several major building projects – a swath of buildings continuously extending across hillsides. I asked an investment advisor what they were. He said ‘apartments. There’s a deluge of foreclosures coming and some have bet on apartment construction.

I wonder how the majority Party of Purity’s gonna handle that one -

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USinUK@10:07 – Willimas was canned by NPR because he does not meet their Progressive purity test, not to mention that Soros just made his first downpayment to buy their soul. I hope Williams sues them; they will loose their a$$ big time. They broke every decent rule of employment termination, including canning the only black analyst on their payroll. My crystal ball shows the beginning of the end for their management group.

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Jay B and USinUK,

I can only approximate what I think the answers to the questions on Obama’s application would do to your chances of getting a job which is exactly the same as what you’re doing with this Republican application.

I will allow that they didn’t follow it very well since the administration is crawling with tax cheats.

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UsinUK@10:09 – re, politics is suppose to find the best way to serve the people. Agreed, but we don’t agree on how to do that. From my viewpoint, eliminating Progressive laws and ideology is the ticket.

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USinUK, re my crystal ball. I did not state the demise of NPR, but instead their management group.

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USinUK

October 27th, 2010
10:07 am

Have others not broke their contractual agreement as well?

There have been other commentators and even host on NPR shows that have given and made controversial OPINION statements. But those employees were not fired.

In each case the opinion being given was one that would be considered a left leaning view.

Do you see why people could be of the opinion that Juan Williams was fired not for giving his opinion but because it didn’t fall into the appropriate side of opinions?

Or do you not consider this statement to be one of opinion…..

“The evaporation of 4 million who believe this crap would leave the world an instantly better place.”

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NPR had a right to fire Williams and CNN had a right to fire Sanchez. End of story .

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“But those employees were not fired.”

Williams was contracted as a news analyst, not as an opinion editor. He compromised his credibility as an unbiased analyst, therefore he violated his contract…and he paid the penalty for that.

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Here you go again J, …generating hatred between the rep-ugnants and the Dem-wits….and you have the gall to say you are somehow different from other hate mongers.

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larry@10:17 – no, NPR may not have the right to fire Williams. NPR is not unlike most large corporations/organizations. They must show cause and a path of increasing disciplinary action. NPR may be able to show documents proving cause and even increasing or stepped action. However, they completely dropped the ball on how the firing occurred, plus they have other employees who are on video making statements much worse than that of Williams. If he sues, he wins.

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USinUK

“he lost his job because he broke his contract of employment.”

Whenever the top brass give differing reasons for an event, it’s cause for concern. That’s the reason put out by the CEO -that he gave his opinion and that was inconsistent with NPR’s editorial policies and practices. However, Mr. Williams stated that Ellen Weiss, NPR’s senior VP for News, saying his remarks crossed the line and he had made a bigoted statement. Add to that opinions expressed by others employed by NPR (while Williams, the only Black is fired), certain Washington DC statutes on employment guarantees where opinions are expressed, CEO Schiller’s ‘therapist’ statement (American with Disabilities Act), and we have a great lawsuit to look forward to.

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USinUK

October 27th, 2010
10:18 am

Que?

what hypothetical?

the quote I used was from an actual commentator (Andrei Codrescu)

so sorry i am unaware of the hypotheticals you speak of?

Or did you not know that NPR allowed its stff to say such things?

Do you see why some would be of the opinion that NPR does not have a problem with commentators giving opinions, it has more to do with the type of opinion?

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Doggone/GA

October 27th, 2010
10:18 am

I agree that Williams violated his contract and NPR had just cause and rason to fire him.

My question is simply why NPR has not taken the same action for other analyst and commentators who have given their opinions as well?

The only difference I see is that the others opinions were more in line with the views and opinions of the left.

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Jay, I don’t know if the questions are too place conservatives in new positions as much as they are for conservative organizations to try and make sure that they’re getting people who agree with their point of view and aren’t gonna make waves. The questions just seem to be a way to tell applicants what they’re getting into as far as just how decidedly conservative the organiztion is that they’re trying to join.
If someone from a liberal organization wanted to get into these organizations and sabotage them, then, one, they’d have to be really, really determined and dedicated and willing to make the effort to put together a resume and record of being a solid conservative by the time they get to that point, though take it from me, very ambitious politicians with a thirst for power would be willing to go that far if they knew that it would pay off with lots of money, power, and of course, sex! Though, getting back to my original point, a questionaire isn’t much of a vetting process as many of the questions look to designed to get easily canned responses that anybody whose looking to get a job with a conservative organization would know how to answer.

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“NPR is a small price to pay to avoid the return of the “Fairness Doctrine”…”

Care to tell us just exactly WHO is trying to return to the that “doctrine”? I see it constantly raised as a “boo” issue…but no one seems to ACTUALLY be trying to bring it back…or haven’t you noticed?

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While everyone votes , whether early voting from now until Friday, or votes on Tuesday, keep this story in mind…………….. And i wish we hadnt gotten these machines myself.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2010/10/27/feyerick.vote.hacking.cnn?hpt=T2

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thomas – “There have been other commentators and even host on NPR shows that have given and made controversial OPINION statements. But those employees were not fired.”

is a hypothetical unless you want to start naming names and outlining details

as far as Codrescu, he’s not a reporter nor is he an editor – he’s paid to provide an OPINION, not ANALYSIS (which was William’s job)

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“Do you see why some would be of the opinion that NPR does not have a problem with commentators giving opinions”

Of course they don’t…that’s what COMMENTATORS DO. Williams was NOT a commentator for NPR, he was a NEW ANALYST…contractually obliged to be as unbiased as possible. Once again, with feeling, he DAMAGED HIS CREDIBILITY as an UNBIASED news analyst, and therefore violated the terms of his contract.

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“extremism in defense of liberty is no vice.” or “ideological profiling in defense of hiring isn’t either.” in fact, it’s good business. Republicans/neo-cons don’t strike me as the types who see value in ombudsmen. life in the GOP is about choices (purple Kool-Aid or orange?)

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“My question is simply why NPR has not taken the same action for other analyst and commentators who have given their opinions as well?”

You have lumped together “analysts” and “commentators” – commentators are hired to give their OPINIONS. Analysts are not. Williams was an analyst for NPR…he was a COMMENTATOR for FOX. Sooner or later he was going to get dinged by NPR…and he finally stepped over the line.

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“Operationally, you have to be impressed by the conservative movement’s message discipline and ideological control.”

Hitler would be proud.

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Doggone, you know the “Fairness Doctrine” is still part of the utopian version for some people. Granted, we are not hearing about it now, because Dems are fighting for their political lives. Eventually, when they get control of Congress again, I would not be surprised to hear those two words mentioned again…

I was just making a hypothetical point that I don’t really care what NPR does, or that they get tax money. They do play nice classical music sometimes at least!

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The Republicans could save a lot of time if they just asked the applicants if they are willing to pledge full and unquestioning allegience to Corporate America. Since the Republicans are wholly owned by Big Business, they need lackeys who will serve Business without question.

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Doggone, USinUK, Jay

Is calling Glenn Beck a statement of fact now?

Or would that be an opinion?

Or maybe the picture of honesty…

claiming to be at the Capital, when in reality its just a green Screen.

oh and for you UsinUk, to make sure there is no hypotheticals involved… go look up Cokie Roberts

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calling Gleen Beck a terrorist! whoopsie!

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“Is calling Glenn Beck a statement of fact now?”

Was this supposed to make any sort of sense? Because it didn’t. But if you want an answer: I have no idea if Glenn Beck is a statement of fact or not.

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Williams was a Fox News contributor. he was fired from NPR because he appeared on Bill O’Rielly’s show and indicated that he felt uncomfortable when he saw people wearing Muslim clothing in airports. NPR a left wing organization who is beholden to radical far left billion heirs like George Soros, won’t tolerate those who stray out of the left wing box. So, now Williams has moved on, so to speak and NPR is paying the P/R price for making fools out of themselves. Both a fitting and happy ending.

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Mick, not the ones YOU pay into, the one that others pay for. Like food stamps, medicaid, welfare, etc. All these handouts are making people too dependent on the gov’t. Where’s the drive and to get out and do something these days with the gov’t doing everything for you?

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I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

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“The clear intent and effect of such a system is to discourage thinking outside the box and painting outside the lines.”

And this is a movement that started out by preaching to us about their boldness and courage to yell “Stop!” to the runaway train of collectivization?

Pathetic.

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It is funny to read USinUK’s msseage:

“No, JohnnyReb, politics is NOT war or anything like it. Politics is supposed to be about finding the best way to serve the American people – not the best way to defeat your enemy.”

And yet this high-minded hypocrite with the “bumper” snippets, along with Jay, support President Obama’s tactics that he clearly stated to a “Latino” special interest group this week that politics is about rewarding you friends and “PUNISHING” your ememies. Boy, that’s great for the Country!

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“The clear intent and effect of such a system is to discourage thinking outside the box”

Who do they think they are, a liberal arts college?

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Jay:

Are you whistling in the dark again?

BTW: Democrat staffers need only be socialists, marxists, friends of terrorists, etc.

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

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Del, two weeks ago you couldn’t have given a good crap about NPR if you’d been restricted to a diet of bran flakes and Ex-Lax.

But trot out Juan as the Victim of the Month, and all of a sudden it’s a scary and dangerous “left wing organization.”

(and please. “Billion heirs?” When I post a screwup like that, I at least acknowledge my innate capacity for stupidity. Embrace yours!)

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USMC – unless you can provide a direct quote from me stating that I support any such comment, how about you enjoy a nice hot cup of STFU

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“Republicans are pretty sure they know everything”- Jefferson @11:06

No, Jefferson, just more intellectually honest than you and Democrats that support:

Affirmative Action
Illegal Immigration
High Taxes
Welfare
Racial Politics
Weak National Defense
Unions
ETC.

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USinUK,

We’ve all read your naive BLATHER. And you can keep your cup of garbage.

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@@ – no nosier than any background check you would get if you worked for any other high-level federal agency

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USMC DAWG… by my count has bagged two.

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So why all this lingering chatter about the NPR episode of last week?

Could it be because it illustrates the seismic shift in the media landscape that we’ve seen over the last decade?

The funny thing is you see people on here claiming NPR is a captive to the “Far Left”, etc., which on its face is so laughable as to not even be worth a response. But what makes this more serious is that you can clearly see, from the vociferousness of these claims, that these people genuinely believe this stuff and are not just going through the rhetorical motions. They really see what NPR represents as just as ideologically driven as they are.

The interesting part of this is NPR’s colossal naivety in thinking that by continuing to occupy a reasonable center in this environment that they can stay clear of the ideological turmoil that they find themselves in. They’re not going to make it that way.

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There goes UsinUK with the “Bumper Sticker” gotchas. Real cute by the way.

Get out of the way and let the responsible men and women do the heavy lifting.

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USinUK:

I choose pillows at dawn !

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As you can see, a hit dog hollars.

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Scout – – now, that’s funny.

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“Get out of the way and let the responsible men and women do the heavy lifting.”

well, that leaves you out of the conversation.

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“labeled an exact group of the Muslim faith, by the way they dressed themselves”

and if I walk past you on the street, will you know MY religion by the way I am DRESSED?

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USinUK: “Get out of the way and let the responsible men and women do the heavy lifting.”

well, that leaves you out of the conversation.”

That was clever. Really:-)

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I think a simpler solution is to just withdraw government funding.

What, the 10 percent or so? however will they function?

(funny how that didn’t happen back when all three branches were Gooperific. it’s like… I dunno, maybe actual conservatives and Republicans and such respect the work NPR does, and their constituents would be pissed off if their local affiliates were threatened? naw, crazy stuff.)

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sfd – I know its only 10%. So what’s the big deal? End it, everyone wins.

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“and if I walk past you on the street, will you know MY religion by the way I am DRESSED?”- Doggone/GA

Yeah if you are wearing a burka that covers everything but your eye slit.

Doggone/GA, Am I allowed to wear a burka w/ an eye slit into a bank?

Are you going to feel comfortable with that?
Honestly?

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Hi USinUK your 10:08 is spot on…funny I just posted a similar rant on Cynthia’s spot this morning.

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Why is it that some of my posts totally misappear into jay’s O-zone? I’ll divide it into two separate.

USinUK:

I’ve worked for government…not at the federal level, but for local bigwigs (politicians). Nowhere in my application did they require such in-depth personal info.

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Not sure what point that makes, RW. There’s not a hint of ideological enforcement in that Obama document, just standard background stuff. In fact, it drives home just how different the GOP approach is.

I saw nothing in the GOP’s approach that would “call into question” one’s most intimate and personal life.

Talk about invasion of privacy…not only the applicant’s but the people with whom they have relationships!!??!!

SHEESH!!!!

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So what’s the big deal? End it, everyone wins.

Well no, not really. You’re talking about the funding they get from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which does a lot of good work, and I wouldn’t end that radio broadcasting component of the organization’s mission.

Furthermore, it seems a strangely reactive thing to suggest, given that the most valid criticism I’ve heard of NPR’s firing of Juan Williams was that it seemed to be rather… reactive in nature. If it were a long-simmering issue, NPR probably could’ve handled it better, and more quietly.

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I wonder how many of the NPR bashers actually listen

haha. You make a funny!

(And yeah, I am quite familiar with the right wing broadcast idiots I criticize. Heard them unfiltered, without any help from the likes of Media Matters, for years now. In Limbaugh’s case, literally decades.)

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sfd – if you don’t understand the value of an independent media, and the principle of keeping government funding out of media (how would you feel if the Government gave $200 million every year to Fox?), then I can’t help you.

See the rules regarding VOA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America

“Under § 501 of the Smith–Mundt Act of 1948, the Voice of America is forbidden to broadcast directly to American citizens. The intent of the legislation is to protect the American public from propaganda actions by its own government.[29] Although VOA does not broadcast domestically, Americans can access the programs through shortwave and streaming audio over the Internet.”

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This npr thing has got me baffled; never once listened to it. I do however have xm/sirius satellite radio with over 300 stations, yet I only really listen to about five or six different channels. No commercials and freedom from the fcc – thats what I’m talking about.

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“Yeah if you are wearing a burka that covers everything but your eye slit.”

You apparently do NOT realize that wearing a burka, for instance, is a social norm, not a religious requirement…and that IN those societies women of all religions might be wearing them just to prevent being targeted. So tell me – again – that you could decide MY religion by what *I* am wearing.

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Jay, is it your assertion that conservatives are somehow different from liberals in their desire to only hire people that match their views? Are you saying that if I wanted to join the staff the a liberal counterpart to the organizations you describe, that my political views will not be vetted in any way?

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if you don’t understand the value of an independent media, and the principle of keeping government funding out of media (how would you feel if the Government gave $200 million every year to Fox?), then I can’t help you.

well jm, if you haven’t come out of your own little cubby hole and seen how civilized nations typically have publicly funded broadcast outlets to provide news and information to their citizenry that isn’t subject to the status of enormous media corporations’ bottom lines, then I can’t help you.

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Scout @ 11:38

HAHA!!

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JDW – NPR: “a non partisan nonprofit that took no or limited advertising that would be ok.”

What a joke. As if non-profits are different than for profits nowadays. The lines between the 2 have become so completely blurred its absurd.

See:
Graduation rates for for-profit universities versus graduation rates for non-profit universities in the lower academic tiers
See SCAD’s operational model
Any / all of the non-profits where execs get paid huge sums (ie, take profits out through comp, not distributions).

No helping liberals. They just don’t get it.

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USMC…..what is the law about wearing a burka into a bank? I can’t wear a ballcap and sunglasses into my bank. Equal rights anyone?

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Liberals are suckers.

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USinUK has a promising career path for a bumper sticker or T-shirt company.

“is it Marxist or Socialist…. find where I said…Blah, Blah, Blather…

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**No helping liberals. They just don’t get it.**

Neither do the people who use labels, sterotyping to make a point..

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USinUK:

my friends who worked at previous white houses had to fill out something similar, as has another friend who applied to work with the CIA.

You can claim that statement as truth, but until you produce evidence, it’s nothing but hotair.

We’re not talking about high-profile individuals here. We’re talking about lowly staffers in whose personal life no one is interested. And what the hell does a persons health have to do with performing some mundane (no heavy lifting) required job?

I’ve got a hallway to paint. Hasn’t your employer got something for you to do? Does your fragile health preclude you from working too hard?

Schnirt.

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Peering inside the left-wing apparatus:

“DEMS OUTSPEND GOP IN ELECTION…”

“CHICAGOLAND: ‘Glitch’ with vote-by-mail system; Hundreds of thousands may be disenfranchised…”

“Residents cry foul over ballots in PA…”

“VEGAS: ‘I WENT TO VOTE AND HARRY REID’S NAME WAS ALREADY CHECKED’… ”

” N CAROLINA: I VOTED REPUBLICAN AND MACHINE CHECKED DEMOCRAT… ”

“REID ‘FREE FOOD’ AT TURNOUT EVENTS…”

“UNIONS ‘GIFT CARDS’ FOR VOTES…”

“Voting Machine Techs Are SEIU…”

“OBAMA TO HUNT FOR JOBS — IN INDIA… ”

“‘The View’s’ Behar: Angle ‘going to hell, this b****’… ”

“REPUBLICANS ‘GOTTA SIT IN THE BACK’… ” (is this the hope and change we were promised?)

The lib “apparatus” goes on and on. I’m serious, you cannot make this shlt up.

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Exactly BADA BING!

You can’t wear a hat and glasses in a bank, but if you require a muslim to not wear a full length Burka….YOU’RE A RACIST! No USinUK, I am not going to go dig up the law for you…

And the Leftwing will call you an UGLY American if you go to London and don’t drink your hot Tea with cream… because you should adapt to their culture.

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I do have to question the efficacy of my posts. They’re only going to get you liberals fired up to go vote.

Meanwhile, our country needs you to stay apathetic from your lost faith in the savior, so the rest of us can try to go fix it.

So I retract all my previous statements. You guys are great. Don’t worry, Obama’s still president and the Dems are going to do well….

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More of the left-wing apparatus

“Though Obama is off the campaign trail for three full days this week, he’s personally targeting key Democratic constituencies from the White House, holding conference calls with union activists and campaign volunteers, and doing interviews with radio stations that draw largely black audiences. He’ll also target younger voters when he tapes an appearance on “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart” on Wednesday.”

Key democratic constituencies, union activists, radio stations with largely black audiences. Riiiiight, just the kind of hope and change we were promised.

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USinUK
October 27th, 2010
12:00 pm

Speaking of “fertilizer”, Obamacare = Obamanure.

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jm@11:58

You clearly are obsessed with imaginary enemies; as an antidote I suggest you check out the movie rambo, first blood and meld with the rambo character then you will probably feel better or worse since that might be your preference..

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**you bloody well CAN’T TAKE IT.**

As if you actually had something of intelligence to say so far…

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USMC – – yeah. your intellectual prowess is so … scary. in fact, I have yet to see you contribute anything of substance today … all you’ve done is attack me.

THAT is the “adults talking” to which you referred earlier???

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Priceless…..

“Bookie says GOP can’t lose House, pays bets early…”

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USinUK
October 27th, 2010
12:10 pm

Good grief! You’ve been in this game long enough to know you won’t find any substance from bloggers. That is, of course, except from me….

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USMC DAWG

I am just responding to your chest thumping and superiority complex, get beyond that and there might be some debate..

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@ USinUK:

What am I supposed to say now… “I know you are but what am I?”

Your Cute “Gotchas” are not to be misunderstood, necessarily, as “intelligence”.

You do the same thing. Let’s move on.

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Still speaking of Juan Willliams? Something that seems to be lost in this is a reading of NPR’s code of ethics:

“10. In appearing on TV or other media including electronic Web-based forums, NPR journalists should not express views they would not air in their role as an NPR journalist.”

There is nothing else about how views can or cannot be expressed when operating outside NPR. It does not state ‘opinions.’

NPR officially said ““His remarks on The O’Reilly Factor this past Monday were inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR.”

The VP for News said it was because his remark was bigoted and crossed the line.

NPR has a problem. It doesn’t say the ‘outrageous views.’ It doesn’t say ‘mainstream views.’ It doesn’t say ‘harmless views.’ It says ‘views they wouldn’t express as an NPR journalist.’

Given what NPR ‘journalists’ have said on other forums, and on NPR, that appear in conflict with NPR’s Statement of Principles of “”Unbiased” means that we separate our personal opinions – such as an individual’s religious beliefs or political ideology – from the subjects we are covering.” well, it appears there may be a bit of an issue of unfair treatment compared to others. Of a minority journalist.

NPR’s made quite a mess of it.

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I don’t recall that a hat and sun glasses were a part of a religious dress code…is this a case of cultural misunderstanding or just ignorance running amok?

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Leg Lamp – 12:14 – well, where the heck have you BEEN all week???!!!

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Jay, are you blocking my posts for some reason? I’m feeling like mike/notmike here.

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USinUK
October 27th, 2010
12:19 pm

Been doin’ some biness travel, but I have popped up every now and then. How’s things “over the pond”/

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normal 12:18 – jimmy buffetology

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jm

Canada? You mean that liberal utopia of the great white north? I’m glad you’re secure and I love this country too but if we can make it through eight long, long, years of bush, we can probably make it through anything..

usmc
Childish? yes, now you’re talking, but you started it so I’ll finish it;
Thanks for your service to this country, it is greatly appreciated..

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@ JM,

“What a joke. As if non-profits are different than for profits nowadays. The lines between the 2 have become so completely blurred its absurd.”

So tell where is NPR spending all that cash they are generating? The link should help you out.

http://www.npr.org/about/aboutnpr/publicradiofinances.html

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danjonglee- Obama is going to get fired as “bus driver in chief”

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JDW – I never said NPR is profitable. Neither is GM (until the government by fiat wiped out centuries of case law and put union pensions ahead of debt obligations).

So what’s your point?

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leg

**Don’t forget, Mick, that you also made it through the last four years of a lib controlled Congress. Celebrate!**

I guess you’re right, those bums took single payer off the table before the negotiations even started – what losers..

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SQUIRREL!

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Thanks for finishing it Mick.

“but if we can make it through eight long, long, years of bush, we can probably make it through anything..”
-Mick

Mick what about the incredible debt that Pres. Obama and the Dems have amassed?

… I know Pres. Bush spent also, but NOWHERE near the amount that Obama has in less than two years.

And what about this behemoth “Obamacare” program that neither you, me, or Jay Bookman know the details?

Just curious about your thoughts… (no sarcasm intended)

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Doggone/GA

October 27th, 2010
12:23 pm

so no mention of the Kippah? Vestment?

Why only specify Muslims? You didn’t in your original statement/ question.

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Normal
October 27th, 2010
12:32 pm

How ’bout we give Obama two more years, agreed?

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@JM “So what’s your point?”

My point is, that in spite of your uneducated and blasé protestations to the contrary, NPR is a real live nonprofit non partisan news organization. Unlike FOX which is primarily concerned with making a buck through hyperbole and creating the news by funding political parties.

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Mick,

With all due respect…. What Millions of jobs are you referring to that were created by Obama and the Stimulus? Money went to payoff UNIONs, etc. But where are the jobs? Even Obama said he was wrong about the “shovel ready” jobs that HE so heavily advertised.

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usmc

Sorry, this will turn into an ideological debate so I’ll just agree to disagree. One point, half of the stimulus went to tax cuts and the other half went to saving jobs (police, teacher, emts) and no matter where you drive, road repair. It’s all in house, where do you think it went?

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USMC – Obama’s biggest failing so far: outsized faith in the ability of government. And he still hasn’t gotten his full dose of reality. I’m willing to bet unemployment exceeds 9% at re-election time. And he’s going to be a goner.

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@JM “so “non-profits” are better than “for profits”

Not necessarily, but in the case of FOX vs. NPR it is a relevant issue made more important by FOX’s customary regard for longstanding ethical journalistic practices. At its heart FOX is a for profit entertainment company not an unbiased news source.

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Back to topic, Jay…

In regard to the subject of applications and ideologies, do you not think that the Major Media outlets have their own process of weeding out the conservative viewpoints? just curious.

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JDW – well I’m glad your leaders and government will be setting up boards and committees to determine who’s biased and whose not biased. And then they can funnel money (subsidize, provide government funding) to all the “unbiased and good people” and away from all the biased and bad people.

Thank god for conservatives.

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jm

So, then we also financed our wars through china, right?

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Mick 1:00 – yep. One bad vicious circle. We’re on the losing end in case you haven’t already figured that one out.

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jm

Actually, what we need to do is get more aggressive with our tariffs with china and stop all the outsourcing. Finally, by all means necessary outsmart the basterds…

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@JM “well I’m glad your leaders and government will be setting up boards and committees to determine who’s biased and whose not biased. And then they can funnel money (subsidize, provide government funding) to all the “unbiased and good people” and away from all the biased and bad people.”

Do you get professional help for your paranoia or do you just muddle through?

Seems to me if people had enough sense to sort news from entertainment that would go a long way.

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JDW – riiiiiggghhhht. Fox never reports the news. I’m glad people like you don’t have power. Oh wait, people like you do. Like Obama. And he’s abusing his power.

Not in an impeachable manner. But enough where people realize we need someone in office that understands the respect for the rule of law. Not that Bush was exemplary at this either.

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USMC DAWG wrote…”Government does NOT create wealth, private industry does.”

Just whom do you think the government purchases goods and services from?

The U.S. government buys more than $500 billion worth of products and services each year from roughly 230,000 different companies, according to USAspending.gov. It is the world’s largest buyer of goods and services.

http://www.usaspending.gov/

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JDW,

They take your tax dollars and WASTEFULLY spend… That’s this problem. But they do not create wealth.
The private sector creates wealth.

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@jm

October 27th, 2010
1:10 pm

“If Government is so good at what it does, why was the Soviet Union such a dismal failure?

Hmmm. Chew on that one folks.”

You mean you can’t tell the difference between the USSR and US governments?

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@USMC DAWG

October 27th, 2010
1:16 pm

“They take your tax dollars and WASTEFULLY spend… That’s this problem. But they do not create wealth. The private sector creates wealth.”

No doubt they could be more efficient at managing their spend but if you think all those dollars aren’t creating wealth then you must be in the market for a bridge in Alaska.

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@Mick…I know…I try to stop, I really do, but it is such good sport on a rainy day.

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JDW 1:17 – matter of degrees these days….

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Mick, I do not listen to Rush Lim. or Glen Beck, so don’t go there.

We can disagree, but don’t let two blowhards take you off topic.

I guess I have heard a lot of your drivel from Keith Olberman, Rachel Madcow, Cynthia McKinney etc…. Does that make sense? Touche

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@jm…have you spent anytime in Russia or for that matter anywhere other than the US?

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Russia, no. Elsewhere, yep. So go ahead and list all your countries, oh well traveled sentient being. As if this is relevant.

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usmc

Rachel maddow has one of the most factually accurate shows on the tube. Still, I agree with you because I don’t give much of my time to the tv talking heads. I’d rather spend some tv time watching the munsters or the three stooges than any of them for that matter..

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Maddow factually accurate. LMAO. I get to see her on “this week” often enough. She’s a riot.

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usmc

So, you are in real estate, what did you think about all the flipping and flopping of real estate in 05 and 06? I knew it was a house of cards and did not take out any equity on my house. In retrospect, I do wish that I would have sold all my real estate holdings and become a renter for awhile, I would have had a lot of cash and zero debt.

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Mick,

“Rachel maddow has one of the most factually accurate shows on the tube.”

That can be said for any of the others that you detest i.e. Rush L. Glen Beck, etc.

Rachel comes across as a hate spewing, anti-American woman with a very angry homosexual agenda.

But I am with you, I’ll take the Three Stooges… Man, we agree.

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MIck,

We could talk for hours about the whole mortgage meltdown and Real Estate crisis over that last several years. I have to say, I remember thinking to myself that there are a lot of people in this industry that can’t add 2+2 and come out with 4 that are making STUPID money. I also saw a lot of TAX ID loans done for Illegal Aliens that made me sick to my stomac, but there is definitely lots of blame to pass around.

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Go ahead Mick. Find the info on the health care CEO taking home $500 million. Not that it matters. But go ahead. I’m eagerly waiting.

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And Mick – if you were in engaged in hyperbole ($500MM), that’s fine. Just let me know. I do the same thing on occasion.

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@USMC DAWG

October 27th, 2010
1:35 pm
@jm

“You notice how JDW tries to “gotcha” with the “have you ever been to Russia, etc.” instead of addressing the subject matter?

Did you need to visit the USSR to know that it has dissolved?”

Nor does one need to visit Russia to understand that attempting to portay the US Government as analogous to the USSR is ludicrous.

However understanding if one has in fact had the opportunity to travel outside the US does help understand perspective.

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@jm

October 27th, 2010
1:37 pm
“USMC – exactly. And I’m sure everyone in Alaska is more intelligent about the USSR since they’re closer.”

O’ I see you know Sarah Palin.

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JDW – waiting on your list of places traveled.

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jm

Once again, why do you think you are so superior? Look up the salary for the ceo of united healthcare and tell me he’s worth over 500 million when people are dying for lack of an oxygen bottle? You don’t know it all but you think you do and your condescending attitude is a drag…

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USMC DAWG @ 1:39 pm

“Rachel maddow has one of the most factually accurate shows on the tube.”

That can be said for any of the others that you detest i.e. Rush L. Glen Beck, etc.

Rachel comes across as a hate spewing, anti-American woman with a very angry homosexual agenda.

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Hey, no fair to Rush and Glenn. Rachel graduated from Stanford, was a Rhodes scholar and got a Doctorate at Oxford. Glenn didn’t finish high school and Rush dropped out of college after two semesters. They’re both working with a handicap so it isn’t nice to compare them to Rachel.

I’ll tune in at 9 tonight to see if I can spot some of that “hate spewing, anti-American with a very angry homosexual agenda” stuff. After watching this self-effacing, smart, funny person on her show from time to time, I missed it. Maybe it’s in secret code, like that GAYDAR you hear that some people have.

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And Tort reform! Bravo jm. There are so many that we forget the main issues.

No one wanted to address Tort reform. Obama even went to speak to a group of doctors and prefaced his speech with..”I am not even going to address tort reform, I will tell you that right now upfront”

Now what kind of leadership is that. Sounds pretty narrow minded or was he just taking care of trial attorneys?

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@jm

October 27th, 2010
1:54 pm
“JDW – waiting on your list of places traveled.”

If you insist:

Antigua & Barbuda
Australia
Austria
Bahamas
Bahrain
Barbados
Belgium
Canada
China
Czech Republic
Denmark
Egypt
England
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
India
Indonesia
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Korea
Kuwait
Malaysia
The Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
The Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Scotland
Singapore
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
Thailand
Turkey
Vietnam
Zimbabwe

More importantly I have run a business that had operations in each country.

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Abrazos, I have met more OVER educated, condescending idiots (I am not talking about you) with degrees out the WAZOO that don’t compare in intelligence or COMMONSENSE to people without a “college” degree.
You are showing your arrogance and lack of common sense when measure by “so and so went to this or that schoola and have this or that degree”.
Some of the greatest leaders and thinkers in history didn’t have a college or a doctorate for that matter.

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Abrazos
October 27th, 2010
1:57 pm

Since degrees seem to be the definitive proof of ones intelligence in your world, then I guess you’ll agree that W was the smartest POTUS of all time. After all, he was the only one with a masters.

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JDW nice cut and paste. Or else you should be busy using your skymiles. Well, my list only covers Europe, the Caribbean, Canada, and South America. But I think I’m covered. I’ll make it to Asia and Africa soon enough.

Yes, Palin is a twit. We need Mitch Daniels.

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@JM “Or else you should be busy using your skymiles.”

LOL I will die with Skymiles and BA Executive Club miles…still have more than a million on each.

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I know how to burn some skymiles. A million? Come on. You’ll use them unless you’re 85…

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jm

You are correct, total compensation package was 124 million. Still, why do you want to carry these guys jockstraps?
http://www.forbes.com/static/pvp2005/LIRRI3M.html

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jm

Look, I’m willing to debate and if you make your point and I am wrong then I”ll concede to being wrong about it. Just try to leave the snarky attitude behind. When Helmsly left united healthcare, his total compensation was reported to be over 102 million when his stock options and bonus were included.
http://ctwatchdog.com/2010/04/29/102-million-payout-to-united-healthcare-ceo-draws-outrage

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abrazos

Congrats on the hard work….I also have my masters degree and I find it funny when people dismiss it as a piece of paper. Well, I worked my arse off to get it and the people that didn’t have no idea what it takes. Therefore, they summarily dismiss something that they did not do. Some of these cons are quite proud of their ignorance and lack of higher education.

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Mick – to add. Health care should cost 3/4 to 1/2 as much as it does in this country. However, in order to do so requires a lot of unpleasant changes that everyone will get upset about. So blame the “system” as set up by the government, not the CEO’s.

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According to the SEC filing below, approx OH costs are 14%, not 30% for UNH.

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=7395199-12329-17432&type=sect&dcn=0001193125-10-179226

Could they be lower? Yes. If one didn’t worry about fraud (like Medicare), and if there was some uniformity to Insurance company paperwork. But those are the only two savings. The first one backfires big time. The second isn’t terribly big, but should be done (electronic records and paperwork, standardization, etc.)

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jm

Thanks for the info….and most importantly, I hope you have been as lucky as me and have had great health most of your life. That’s the one way we can both beat the system, by staying healthy.

Also, I don’t consider it a waste of time because you called me on some statements and you were flat out correct on your facts, so I needed to get my house in order and I appreciate the fact that some knowledge was gained on my part.

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