Protester stomped in Ky. Senate race

It’s staged, The most casual observer can see. For a real head stomp watch American History X.

The Pauls scare the bejesus out of the progressives. In desperation, they will do anything.

Why does Moveon have to have “contract employees”.?

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Howdy do, Jay. You are sounding very much like Tucker in her bipartisan appeal on the eve of victory for the common sense Republican/Tea Party coalition. You people have had your chance running on the two failed years of Hope & Change, but the proof is in the pudding. Unemployment still at 10%, forced socialized medicine, out of control spending, crushing national debt, higher taxes, and inept leadership. It is a no-brainer with the American electorate. November 2 is trash take out day. Liberalism in this country is scary notion and we aren’t having it. Your kind of thinking is a European exercise in futility. Now be nice and accept reason once again.

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Hey Donovan, it took Bush 8 years to really screw things up. Let President Obama have his 8 years; can you stay quiet for 6 more years like you did during Bush’s administration?

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The guy wearing the white tennis shoes with his foot on her head should be arrested for felony assault and hopefully she the victim will press charges. Beyond that observed opinion it appeared that others in the crowd were attempting to assist her and she didn’t look to be particularly injured when she made her comments. We certainly have seen a lot worse over many years that technology has allowed for these incidents to be documented live, so I don’t see how this particular one could be a harbinger of growing violence over political disagreement.

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Road Scholar

Normal said he’s giving the GOP 6 months if they take control of the House. I think that’s fair since that was about the length of time Obama was given before the griping started.

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Here’s an actual stomping but somehow it didn’t raise the poutrage from the left like this Moveon stunt did

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Del, please don’t dismiss this. “we certainly have seen a lot worse”? I suspect the the woman on the ground might beg to differ. and let’s be clear; a harbinger is a forerunner. violence over political disagreement isn’t “growing” or lying ahead… this video suggests it’s already here (and has been for some time – see: JFK, Kent State, MLK, Jr., RFK, Oklahoma City, Ruby Ridge, etc.).

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is anyone surprised??

with the way rhetoric has escallated over the last year, I’m frankly shocked that this video wasn’t worse …

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It’s staged

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Be proud wingnuts, be proud.

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“3. Obama bailed out the banks (No: the bailout happened before Obama took office)” – Obama voted for it though so it’s just as bad.

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paleo, you must not have really read what I said or you wouldn’t say that I dismissed it. Jay, had indicated in his commentary that this incident was a predictor of other future violent events at political gatherings. I merely disagreed on the basis that we’ve already seen acts of violence as well as threats of violence. Your re not dismissing the union thugs attacking innocent people or the New Black Panthers attempting to intimidate voters are you?

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Next up from the right……

“2nd amendment remedies” and “revolution is on the table”

Thankfully I suspect that’s just chickenhawkese

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Jay

“hatred” – I don’t think the 60+% swing by Independents over to the R column is driven by hatred.

“political opponents as a dire threat to America’s existence”

Well, one could argue that Democrats are a threat to America’s existence if you believe their actions will lead to hyperinflation, the destruction of centuries of wealth creation, or the debasement of our currency, and that those consequences constitute non-existence.

No excusing the actions of these jerks. They are not representative of all the people going out and voting Republican. Any more than the Delaware Witch is somehow singularly representative of the Republican party.

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“or the New Black Panthers attempting to intimidate voters are you?”

They just don’t know when to let it go.

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So we have 1. “lookit what they did!” 2. “it’s faked!” and 3. “let’s talk about anything but this!”

I used to expect these responses from 1st graders, now we get them from so-called adults.

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Again, no one’s excusing these actions. The guy should go to jail (for whatever the appropriate offense is – battery / assault?).

From a historical perspective though, this is pretty tame….

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Mades me ashamed I’m a Kentuckian. And The “Celebrate it” part of Jay’s comments give Pagans a bad name. Most Pagans are happy people with no room for hatred.

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the Republicans lecturing on “fiscal discipline” is like Octomom lecturing on good mental health …

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At some point the “one side did it before” defense has to stop

SoCo,

It isn’t a defense, it’s a rebuttal to Jay B’s insinuation that this marks the beginning and I wouldn’t pretend that the video I linked marked the beginning either.

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Is anybody surprised that Rand Paul and his ilk would attract the kind of supporters who ought to remind us of members of the Hitler Youth Group and Brown Shirts who used to go around Germany beating up people who didn’t support Hitler?

No surprise here…

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Don’t Forget – depends on your definition of “slightly unstable.” I would consider all liberals (unless there’s a liberal that believes in fiscal discipline) “slightly unstable.” Actually, I might use different words, but whatever. Same point.

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As the chickens prepare to vote for Colonel Sanders next Tuesday, you gotta wonder where their rage is going to be aimed once their guys (and gals) are in the driver’s seat.

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This is appalling and disgusting.

There will always be “those” kind of people out there regardless of the “rhetoric” you speak of. Supporters are no different than fans at sporting events. Fans – short for fanatics (in case you didn’t know) all have varying degrees of their fanaticism. The same can be said of political supporters.

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RW

I can buy that defense then. To your point, we may not be able to pinpoint the beginning, but somebody needs to call the end of this stuff before someone gets hurt.

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That boot to the head would make Stone Cold proud.

I thought WWE wasn’t allowed at polling places. Oops, that is in Connecticut…

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Oh here’s a good Bush-Hitler one. From CNN.

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/04/16/flashback-in-2006-cnns-roesgen

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This one’s really funny. This guy thinks Hitler was legitimate and Bush was a crook. Too funny.

http://www.radfilms.com/radical_editorials_Bush_Hitler.html

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As a Christian myself, what saddens me is that some of the most vile, hateful, bigoted rhetoric comes from so-called Christians. These right-wingers obviously have not read the New Testament and/or do not take the words of Jesus seriously; otherwise, they would not be saying the things the say or doing the things they do. You can disagree with someone’s policies without spewing hate and intolerance.

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SoCo,

If you start with Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton that get hurt bit may have already happened.

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RW – 10:40 – – good point

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Taxes will be raised or more money will be borrowed after
the 2010 election and the 2012 election. Same song
different dance.

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It is appalling. It can not be excused. It can not be celebrated.

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Thought this was gonna be about SEIU goons assaulting citizens for being against Obamacare, Card Check, bailouts and such.

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Do you by chance remember the ‘68 Democratic National Convention? Do you remember how Democrat Mayor Richard Daley handled the protests by various groups including Students for a Democratic Society? Now Daley, there was a guy who could get some good beatin’ done.

We’ve come a long way since ‘68 but in any crowd you’ll find one or two fools who are clearly looking to instigate a confrontation – many times a physical confrontation. And for no other reason than to incite that violence. That’s what happened here. She went looking for it and she found it.

Now, nobody condones the violence but what might happen if hooded KKK members marched in South Chicago with signs that read “Long Live Slavery.”

It’d prolly get personal…

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One Nation: A lot of your list is BS. For one thing, SS, whether it’s solvent or not, is still a Ponzi scheme by definition. Bernie Madoff was completely solvent- until he wasn’t. And that happens when you run out of suckers to pay for the next round. In the case of SS, we have an aging population with fewer and fewer suckers (young people) to pay for the old folks. And since the old folks won’t let us raise the retirement age, there is a mathematical endpoint, just as there is in an Ponzi scheme.

Please, feel free to demonstrate how social security does not meet the definition of a Ponzi scheme. I’d love to see it, but you can’t demonstrate such, because it IS a Ponzi scheme.

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Don’t Forget – I didn’t say you were racist.

Maybe you need some help.

You said: ““When the rhetoric includes tyranny, Hitler, America hater and on and on it’s only a matter of time before the slightly unstable will act.””

This same stupid rhetoric is invoked by both sides (as one presumes you’ve seen if you follow any of the links above). So what else is new?

Your point is invalid. Unless you were blathering on about how crazy liberals were during the Bush years. I’ll be happy to review your posts to that effect any time.

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A lot of people do not have the intellect to engage in debate, regardless of the subject. And so they resort to violence, screaming and name calling out of frustration.

This has been going on for thousands of years and will continue.

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“I guess those Billy Bobs felt they needed to use violence to prevent that girl from exercising free speech. That’ll teach her…”

well, let’s not forget that these are the same kinds of cretins that had an “Iron My Shirt, B^&*%” sign at a Hillary rally. we wimmen folk should be in the kitchen making dinner, donchaknow …

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From the secret service itself. USinUK. Must be a conspiracy theory. FACT CHECK!!!

If USinUK says something – the opposite is really true.

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Jimmy62 10:46 Ponzi did not have the power to tax.

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Weeeeeeeeeeee. Liberals are clueless. But reality will hit them on the head Nov 2nd. Thank heavens for Democracy. Hopefully the fiscal conservatives will stay as vigilant going forward, including when Republicans are in power.

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Del, unless I am reading a differnt ajc.com, here is what JB “said”:
“I also have no doubt that in this incident and others yet to come, we are reaping the harvest of hatred sown by overheated rhetoric that treats political disagreement as betrayal and political opponents as a dire threat to America’s existence.”

to which you responded: ” she didn’t look to be particularly injured when she made her comments. We certainly have seen a lot worse over many years that technology has allowed for these incidents to be documented live, so I don’t see how this particular one could be a harbinger of growing violence over political disagreement.”

1 – you are not qualified to diagnose or comment on the severity or lackthereof, of the woman’s injuries. to do so ignores the true nature of the incident.
2 – at no point did JB use the word harbinger or violence. what he did note was we appear to be reaping the infusion of “hatred” presented as patriotism or love of country into our political process.
3 – enough with the New Black Panther nonsense. you sound like some parent complaining about “bullying” on an elementary school playground. wait, scratch that; two wrongs don’t make a right, or is this like the Braves; you hit our guy, so we plunk your guy next inning?

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RW 10:51 – One sided story for the media. The recent NY Times articles are way out left too. Maybe they always were, or it is just becoming more apparent to me. Not sure which.

Time for a democratic revolution. Yipee.

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USinUK – if you won’t acknowledge facts, I have nothing to discuss with you. The average counts, not a 1 day or 1 week or 1 month blip. You’re probably not aware that our President serves for four years.

You’ve been in the UK too long. Please stay there.

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/debt-the-publics-burden/article1769574/

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Time for a new president. Guess we have to wait until 2012. At least a Republican congress can hold back the tide of spending in the interim.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2010-abc-newsyahoo-news-poll-public-optimism/story?id=11963469

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Yes, Paul has condemned it.

Well, in the most wussified manner imaginable, yeah.

Here’s what Rand Paul’s press ‘ho had to say, actually:

“We understand that there was an altercation outside of the debate between supporters of both sides and that is incredibly unfortunate. Violence of any kind has no place in our civil discourse and we urge supporters on all sides to be civil to one another as tensions rise heading toward this very important election.”

Between supporters of both sides.

Right.

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Hey Don’t Forget – you still objecting to all the Hitler-Bush associations causing today’s riots? Perhaps you’re not aware Obama is now President.

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Jay,

Would you not say you have contributed to the overheated rhetoric?

Or do you see yourself as a non-partisian point of view, with no rhetorical spin?

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kettle

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This is discourse for tea party republicans. They have so much seething anger in their veins, anger that was surprisingly and utterly absent for 8 years of overspending when a white man was in the office, that has suddenly so passionately boiled to the surface when a black man took that office, that they now pull down a protester and one guy stomps on her head.

Why are these people so fearful of a message and discourse with which they disagree?

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Don’t Forget

October 26th, 2010
10:26 am

You must be honest enought to remember the same exact things being said of Bush only 3 short years ago right?

Let us not pretend as if this is a new phenomenon.

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USinUK engages in selection bias. That means she doesn’t know the truth and isn’t grounded in reality. Beeee veeeeewwwwyyyy careful when weeeding her thooooouuuuuts.

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jm – “selection (sic) bias” … what are you, the chairman of the Department of Redundancy Department?

looks like someone has missed their snack time and is getting a bit cranky …

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** At least a Republican congress can hold back the tide of spending in the interim**

Oh yes…they did a heckuva job the last go round….gotta give em credit though…shred the economy, lose the elections, let a couple years go by and….blame the democrats for everything…and the tools in the shed will buy it hook, line and stinker….good grief.

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jt, thanks for “sheep dipping” the “umbrella man” in Dealy Plaza. all kidding aside, are you familiar with the term “disinformation”? you should look it up; it is often a key part of any successful intelligence operation/conspiracy. you see, what it does is distract curious observers. it’s akin to a false trail or sleight of hand trick. if the media and Warren Commission are spending time investigating the “mysterious man with the umbrella” (who could easily have been “staged” and operating under the cover of “wingnut”). ergo, if the Warren Commission, the media, etc. take the bait, they become unwitting accomplises in a cover-up. did the “umbrella man” play a role in teh JFK assassination? who knows? but as I said, when documented “facts of the case” are dismissed or reduced to a Seinfeld bit, we never really learn the truth about the larger event (the assassination). that’s my paleo-neo-Carlinsist Conspiracy Theory Moment of the day.

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“the Obama as a socialist, communist, America hater, muslim, fascist has been promoted by numerous famous conservative pundits, notably and repeatedly Beck and Limbaugh”

don’t forget how Obama hates whitey (Beck) and how he has his father’s anti-colonial attitude (D’Souza)

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What would you have sent out as a press release if you were appointed Rand Paul press secretary of the day?

Don’t have time to word it, but I’d make it clear that what was done to the Moveon.org supporter by one of my own supporters was wrong, period, and that we were cooperating with the authorities to ensure that any acts deemed to be criminal in nature were prosecuted, and that we urged all of our supporters to act accordingly.

Which, IMHO, is not what Rand’s press guy did with his namby-pamby “all sides” business.

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Thomas, I remember some extreme anti war protesters saying those things about Bush. I do not recall any cable news shows promoting them on an almost daily basis. Do you? Face the facts, the right has embraced this extremism.

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I am surprised that more of you aren’t ranting about the Tea Party being all violent and everything. Isn’t that what you libs think of all of us?

No this is a case of Paulistas…they were cooky in 2008 with the Ron Paul “Revolution” and it does not surprise me that some of them would be rabid for his son too! But sure, go ahead and assume all of us are just as dense and hateful as these goons…

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Jay, you contribute every single day that you write a blog. You’re not as bad as Tuck… I’ll give you that.

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Anyway, per usual Amanda puts it more eloquently than I’ll manage:

This is sniveling, cowardly, and frankly sick. There were no “both sides”. There was a group of large men that support Paul that attacked a single, much smaller female MoveOn activist. She was not being violent towards them. Handing out fliers and doing political theater at a debate can’t even really be called “annoying”. The word is “expected”. I expected an immediate and routine disavowal of any responsibility for the violence, but trying to play it off like it was “both sides”? That’s some sick s—. It’s cowardly. Of course, I wouldn’t expect any less of Rand Paul, who has above all other things during this election, proven himself to be a whiny crybaby, a coward who acts like he has convictions and then whines and runs the second anyone argues with him, and a childish brat who probably hasn’t grown up a day since his Aqua Buddha years.

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“Yet out of this alleged conspiracy of thousands in which lowlife drunks and dopers play a large part, the GOP and its allies in the Justice Department and other governnment agencies can’t find a single participant willing to admit to the conspiracy and cough up the truth?”

Do you have any proof that it is “low life drunks and dopers” who played a large part?

“There’s something in the psyche of the GOP base that needs to believe they are victims of some ill-defined but clearly treacherous group plotting against them and the country. How else can they explain the fact that they’re losing? It can’t be because they have proved themselves incompetent at governance, or that they have lost touch with the reality of life in 21st century America. There has to be some other reason, and if there isn’t they’ll invent one.”

Again you are able to know the needs of the GOP base? How?

Both of those are from the same article and one of the first ones i skimmed through.

But i am sue that is not overheated rhetoric by your standards and all, calling people low life drunks and such!

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“multiple organis”?

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jm – selection is, by definition, bias. thus the redundancy comment.

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Bush is a Socialist. Did ya’ see how he got down on his knees and gave the Banksters everything they wanted? Did ya’ see how Bush passed the Medical Prescription Act – a multi-trillion Dollar give away (mostly to the Pharmaceutical companies). Did ya’ notice that Obama has signed more pro-gun rights bills than Bush did in his entire 8 years?

Bush = Socialism.

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Don’t Forget

October 26th, 2010
11:13 am

On this very blog today I think there has been 2 such examples posted by other posters…

Go look at those before you committ to putting your head in the sand and asking for proof that has already been given.

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Don’t Forget 11:10 – I’m not saying your wrong. The right is embracing some high level pundits making these statements. But the left isn’t blameless. Cynthia McKinney for starters… the NPR cast of characters…. like people who are given 35 years of airtime despite wishing AIDS on people. Wow. No firing there…. well then.

http://reason.com/blog/2010/10/21/what-wont-get-you-fired-from-n

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The Dems took Congress over in 2006. There’s where the problems began

Yup. That’s about the time the Republicans started whining about losing power and started their little poutrage and just saying no to anything.

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Jay,
These “tough guys” who assaulted this young woman probably wouldn’t have done so, if she had been a strapping, six foot, 240lb male. I wonder if any of them ever served in the military?, on second thought they probably are too cowardly.

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USinUK 11:17 – Wow. You’re just clueless.

I “selected” 4 people to play on my basketball team. I’m obviously biased against all numbers other than 4. Of course, what was I thinking? Selection does mean bias. Wowwww…..

It’s a scientific term. I’m sorry, please pull your head out of a hole.

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Jay didn’t know if you were aware but…

those are your words posted at my 11:15am I did not address it to you and didn’t want you to miss me returning your request.

Do you stand by the statement that calling a group of people low-life drunks or dopers is not heated rhetoric?

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** We on the right. think Barry is a neo Herbert Hoover with Marxist leanings**

And that is why many think you have amnesia about what happened the previous eight years….wake up please.

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Who amongst you is half-educated.

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USinUK,

I’d never heard of the Umbrella Man personally. If you look at the Zagruder film, it is possible, it is. Is.

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Jay – quit lying to people. You said:
“The decision not to prosecute the New Black Panthers was made by the BUSH Justice Department before Obama even took office.”
False – Eric Holder decided to drop prosecution of the racist filth:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Reverse-discrimination-in-New-Black-Panther-case-97891039.html

Fact.

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sfd 11:22 – still voting for Barnes. Don’t like crooks.

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beavis,

When Bushco spent $8 Trillion to bail out the banks in the fall of 2008 that pretty much destroyed our economy – for a generation! Yes, this is a 20-year Depression – the Greatest of Depressions. We’re done, no matter what Obama does or doesn’t do (although he is making it worse).

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USinUK – you’re just another leftish bull horn. I’ll take your baseless insults at me as a compliment.

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Bosch – 11:24 – years ago, I had a housemate who was from Dallas and who was a veritable font of JFK assassination factoids -

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the Washington Examiner needs to stop lying.

I do kinda wonder what kind of “Examinations” that outfit specializes in.

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jm – like I said, you keep trying to salvage that “rep” of yours … babble, babble, babble …

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paleo-neoCarlinist-

I only posted that in the interest of knowledge.
I had no idea what Jay eluded to. Unlike most, I will admit to my ignorance.

I was not the only one that didn’t know about that umbrella man. quite interesting.

Regardless, look up the word STOMP. Jay is imbibing in flaming rhetoric.

It will not help.

KNEEL to AQUABUDDHA.

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Jay,

Don’t you realize that your every post, given their lack of praise for all things right wing, can do nothing but bring out the compassionate conservative hate speak.

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Robert Bork’s America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens’ doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists would be censored at the whim of government, and the doors of the federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens for whom the judiciary is often the only protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy.

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Rightwing Troll,

The Economic Depression that started in 2007 isn’t going away for at least a generation. In 2020 you will look back at 2010 as being the “Good ‘Ole Days” – we’ll still be in a Depression. America’s Economy is toast. To blame such a catastrophe solely on Obama is wrong – it went way back.

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thomas

October 26th, 2010
11:18 am
Don’t Forget

October 26th, 2010
11:13 am

On this very blog today I think there has been 2 such examples posted by other posters…

Go look at those before you committ to putting your head in the sand and asking for proof that has already been given.

Thomas, I didn’t see any such posts and wonder why you did not repeat them. Regardless though, you miss the point. The effect of what a random blogger or protester says is simply not comparable to the effect of what a media person with a following in the millions says. I will not suggest you have your head in the sand but rather in some other dark place.

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doa – Every thing I typed is the Truth. Every rebuttal is word-for-word Fox News talking poots. But let me congratulate you. Your parroting skills are formidable. In doing that, however, you prove the point.

Original post stands. Lie – rinse – Repeat. I’d rest my case, but I’m an Accountant.

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I find it funny that our wingnut friends mention staged attacks when we have the likes of that twerpy film maker and the woman who carved an “O” on her face and such.

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Allright

Speaking of heated rhetoric. Let me guess, you are not a white person? Sounds like you have the world all figured out, if only you could convince everyone else, we could all love one another right now.

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“Can’t glean much from that video.

I’ll just take the liberal approach….the white guy stomping the white girl was probably a racist.

There….that was easy.”

Really? A bunch of agitated white rednecks holding a LITTLE GIRL down with thier feet. I wouldn’t even really call that little push a “stomp” but THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN JUSTIFY what was on that video unless that girl had pulled a gun or weapon.

What on earth can a little girl do do warrant being thrown to the ground by 800 lbs of old men and be held down with thier feet? What? If she was intruding unlawfully, shouldn’t the fine upstanding “rule of law” folks simply handle the correct way, and have her removed from thier rally?

If that were my daughter, I’d be over at that dudes house.

Conservitards and hate baggers gotta love em…

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jm, my recollection is that the Bush administration decided not to pursue criminal charges and Holder/Obama decided not to pursue civil charges.

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Don’t Forget 11:39 – that sounds about right to me too….

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As demonstrated daily in your Blog Jay, YOU are an instigator of hatred… clean up your on act!

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Bosch

October 26th, 2010
11:31 am

Leg humper comment was funny the first time… now a hundred times later – not so much.

Epic FAIL! Gee, I wonder who has said that before?

Bunch of damn dorks.

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jt, just passing along the info. it speaks to the larger question of the influence of the media, and how easy it is to “influence” the media. to a certain extent Del is right; in the age of video cell phones, YouTube and 24 hour news; the disinformation presented by the media is more valuable than the “information” sought by Americans. for an alternative take on this, heck out Jon Stewart’s analogy (monkey’s throwing feces at the zoo) and the importance of a “fair an balanced” zoo keeper.

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Some INFO on Teapartiers!!!

The Tea Party movement: deluded and inspired by billionaires

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“Thomas, I have not contributed to the overheated rhetoric. If you wish to cite examples to the contrary, please, feel free to do so.”

How about doing two blog articles trying to paint Lynn Westmoreland as a racist for saying the word “uppity”?

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dems – here you go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFeUhSlHiUQ

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paleo, difference between a coward and a bully. They’re analogous , however, a bully may choose to stand and fight while cowards will turn and run. I’d bet that during the New Black Panther incident had someone given those two idiots a call out they would have backed off and ran like an Iraqi tank. Thus in all probability cowards. The video didn’t show her being punched nor kicked. All I could see was what appeared to be a light tapping and then a light push on her head to the pavement. In fact there appeared to be some sort of fabric wrapped around her head. Afterwords during her video taped comments, she didn’t appear to suffer any visible injury that a “stomping” surely would have shown.. You can of course can conclude what you choose.

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Jay

October 26th, 2010
11:21 am

I had already concluded that you would find yourself guilt free in this matter….

Guess you feel no need to justify your comments of the GOP base having a psyche that causes them to have a need to feel the victim…. nothing over heated or rhetoric spewing about that… Hell in some circles i bet they consider that a compliment…

I would assume you are prepared to defend calling a person “crazy” as you have just because you disagree with the idea or basis of their claim against the government. Nothing overheated there to call another person crazy, when that same person has said or done nothing to attack you, other than not agreeing wth your view of things.

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“violence is not acceptable……just curious as to why you post this video and not the one several months ago when SEIU thugs beat a black vendor at a TEA Party rally??? really the ajc’s bias is really getting too obvious!”

I did not see that…I am going to assume the thugs did not have the common sense to take off their union t-shirts first though!

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For evidence of just how many disgusting people have infected the right wing, read three of the first nine, non-JB posts. And it doesn’t stop there.

Yep, by their own words, jt, Donovan, RW, A+A and Union all qualify.

Which apparently jm at 10:23 conveniently overlooked.

Then there are those like Tilli, thomas, Ben the Independent, @@, Ragnar and LydiasDad who arguably support it covertly by throwing out useless red herring *instead* of using this opportunity to rebuke the needless and irrational violence by those Tea Partiers/Republicans.

But to their credit others like Peadawg, Del and Jimmy62 denounce the disgusting behavior of this Kentucky trash. Hell, even my most ardent fan spoke out against this thuggery.

And as they have made their views public, I have zero problem with calling these people out by name.

And trust me, brother Normal, you have nothing to be ashamed of. You are at the opposite end of that Kentucky spectrum…

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here’s why I don’t believe it was staged. seems to me the stand up guys from the tea party side of the house would have ‘defended’ this woman (like when we invaded Iraq to defend the Iraqi people). I find it hard to believe that out of all the “conservative” males at the event, there was not at least one potential “Good Samaritan” packing heat, and felt compelled to come to the woman’s aide. in fact, if it were a staged event, it would have presented a unique opportunity for true tea partiers to to “stomp” the fake tea partiers. nope, I suspect this was real.

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Del, “All I could see was what appeared to be a light tapping and then a light push on her head to the pavement. In fact there appeared to be some sort of fabric wrapped around her head.”

CHRIST! Really? That’s okay with you? Like, WHAT?

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Don’t Forget

October 26th, 2010
11:34 am
Here is the easiest one to find and being that you posted before and after it this was posted i find it hard to believe you missed it.

To your claim of bloggers and not a national following of millions…..

would CNN meet that standard? they do have atleast a million followers/viewers right?

this was posted by jm…

jm

October 26th, 2010
10:36 am
Oh here’s a good Bush-Hitler one. From CNN.

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/04/16/flashback-in-2006-cnns-roesgen

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“Thomas, I have not contributed to the overheated rhetoric. If you wish to cite examples to the contrary, please, feel free to do so.”

WRONG!! You contribute to it by using this bully pulpit every day to denounce and degrade everybody who doesn’t agree with your far left leaning opinions. For you to sit here and act like what you do here every day isn’t part of the problem is a big joke, Jay. And rather arrogant of you.

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Mr. Bookman, I respect your judgment in general, but look carefully at this film and you’ll see that you’ve been played: This “incident” is a put-up. Look at the woman’s face in the interview later: She’s exhilarated by the attention! Her tone is jubilant: “They weren’t very nice.” She’s not staring at the ground, or at the camera, or looking angrily or shakily at nothing like real victims of violence do, but slyly cutting her eyes off to the side. Translation: “This went just like we rehearsed! And the media fell for it!”
She has no bruises, no scrapes; she displays none of the anger, shock, or fear she would have felt if this had really happened. The film shows the guys handling her carefully. She’s not thrown to the ground; and guy’s foot, which was on her shoulder, not her head, clearly didn’t exert much force on her. And before this film began rolling, she had lunged at Paul’s car not once but twice. I’m surprised security didn’t wrestle her down.
For a real film of a real throw-down beating, see the film of the SEIU union thugs beating on a guy at a town hall meeting last year.

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Rand won’t last if he cuts out the “bacon” he brags on doing, KY needs pork, they crave it.

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Next thing you know, the liberals will be calling this the “Kentucky Massacre”…..

Run for the hills! Republicans are coming!!!

Me, I’m pretty happy they’re getting some power back.

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I have yet to hear a t-republican make anything that resembles an intelligent solutions to the problems, they just bitch about them.

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cissy – everything but your last sentence was complete bunk (with 99.9% certainty)

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Del, now we’re splitting hairs. as I see it, most bullies will not stand and fight an equal, which is why they are cowards as well. bullies don’t pick on ’someone their own size.’ as I said, you can see what you choose to see in this, and it very well may be staged, but as I just said, I don’t think so. the difference between the New Black Panthers and this (in my eyes) is; I don’t believe there was any actual contact in Philadelphia. threats only work when fear exists. anger, on the other hand usually manifests itself in acts of violence. there is a difference between “intimidation” and assault.

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“‘Second Amendment remedies’? That suggests treason”

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/06/16/second-amendment-remedies-that-suggests-treason/

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Jay – notmike isn’t off his rocker. But for the crooks, all the Republicans I know of are good folks.

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“A party pushed into power by blind anger and outrage will then try to govern in anger and outrage. The dramatic, even revolutionary expectations that it has created among its base of supporters will collide head on with Washington realities. The contradictions inherent in a “populist” movement stoked to high dudgeon against Wall Street and other special interests — a movement that is in fact quietly financed and guided by those very same special interests — will no longer be hidden. And the mindset among conservatives that interprets even the slightest compromise as an abject surrender of principle will make it impossible for them to govern responsibly.”

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/06/16/second-amendment-remedies-that-suggests-treason/

Conspiracies, fear-mongering and those monolithically evil Republicans.

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Where was all the outrage when that Tea Party member got beat up by a bunch of union thugs? Or that senior citizen protesting against Obama care that got his ear torn off? Oh wait, the media didn’t report that. Fox News and the internet media did however. Nope, no hatred espoused from the left whatsoever. Next….

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“People who spout such nonsense are not patriotic Americans; they are not lovers of liberty or believers in the rule of law or self-governance. By claiming the right to impose their viewpoints through violence rather than the ballot box, they seek to become the very tyrants they claim to oppose, and wrapping their ugliness in the American flag does nothing to change its vile character.”

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/06/16/second-amendment-remedies-that-suggests-treason/

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notike-

Careful, you’re going to anger some on here that don’t take too kindly to you making their leader (Jay) look bad….

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notmike – the ballot box is going to hit the Dems on the head.

The core remaining very liberal Democrat contingent will be very obstructionist though.

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“Perhaps she did none, or, perhaps she deserved what she got.”

Yeah, I wonder what a small female with a sign could do to deserve getting man handled to the ground by a couple big guys and having her head held down with their feet. Ya’ know, short of pulling a gun.

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The SEIU “beating”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=367×22161

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Of course, in addition to supplying his own over-heated and divisive rhetoric, Jay also gleefully finds the most absurd and divisive rhetoric coming from the right, thereby reinforcing the opinions of his partisan echo chamber that all who disagree with their political views are bad.

Jay’s message that over-heated rhetoric has gotten out of hand is correct. The fact that he refuses to acknowledge that he and Cynthia Tucker are as complicit as anyone on this planet in this disgusting cycle of hypocrisy is bad enough. For him to whine about it is truly pathetic.

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jm

October 26th, 2010
12:01 pm
Don’t Forget 11:59 – not following that post…. need a little clarity.

You posted the video of Obama saying to “argue with and get in the face” of conservatives during the campaign. I am saying that that is not a call to violence. But when someone compares another to Hitler the implication is that all measures, including violence should be taken to stop that person.

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Jay

October 26th, 2010
12:05 pm

Then by all means Jay show us some examples of those you feel have done so and used overheated rhetoric?

Then show us how they are different than the rhetoric you use and why theirs is overheated and yours is even tempered?

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“It gets worse from here on out unless we recognize who is doing this to us – and stop them.”

ooh..mememememe…pick me… THE POLITICAL CLASS! They are the ones doing this to us and they need to be stopped, pronto. When politics became a career choice it ceased to be about the good of the nation and the people and became all about the individual politician. No even somewhat sane person would go through what it takes to be a politician in this country based on a desire to “serve the people”. I would rather face the Spanish Inquisition than run for office. I doubt that any truly decent person would seek election. Whether this incident was staged by MoveOn or a real scuffle, we should all be ashamed of what we (yes we, all of us) have either become or allowed our fellow Americans to become. Shame on all of us. We are like a bunch of drunks in a bar at 3am fighting over a girl — she is there at 3am for a reason, folks, because she ain’t worth fighting over….and neither are these damn politicians.

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Nice Guy,

I mean, yeah, and if a girl walks into a biker bar wearing a low cut shirt, then you just know she’s asking for trouble.

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“NotMike, as with Thomas, if that’s the best you can produce, you’ve got nothing.

But by all means, continue to post, I am more than happy to let our readers judge these things for themselves.”

LOL. Yes Jay, your partisan supporters will think it is perfectly fine. Guess what? So do Glenn Beck’s.

So do us a favor. Go out and find some obscure comment to take out of context so you can accuse them of racism. Or go find some revolting comment from your peers like Limbaugh and Beck and shine a light on it.

Don’t feel bad. Few hypocrites are aware of their truly heroic hypocrisy. I think Beck and Hannity know they are professional wrestlers. You are just self-deluded.

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Excuse me ……… that 11:13 was old Scout.

Jay:

In Kentucky that ain’t “stompin” that “Buck Dancin” !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Im4_Gsp44

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“Where was all the outrage when that Tea Party member got beat up by a bunch of union thugs? Or that senior citizen protesting against Obama care that got his ear torn off? Oh wait, the media didn’t report that.”

Oh, you mean like if you use the google and search, there’s NOT like a gajillion hits? Which, there is.

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Don’t Forget 12:10 –

“I am saying that that is not a call to violence” I generally agree.

“But when someone compares another to Hitler the implication is that all measures, including violence should be taken to stop that person.”

I agree. The comparisons to Hitler should stop. They’re absurd. But everyone should realize the comparisons are made by both crazy sides. There are crazy liberals, and crazy conservatives.

The center is going to the right. And that is perfectly rational.

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notike? No kiddin’ Guy! Ike was a war hero, an effective moderate leader of men and who foresaw what you cons STILL can’t see vis a vis the takeover by the military industrial complex.

And add DB17 and sleestak to that list of mine…

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Nice Guy,

How is that not the same?

“or, perhaps she deserved what she got.”

I’ve heard that argument in rape cases before when the girl was wearing inappropriate clothing.

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You guys who are trying to prove what an incendiary meanie-head our Jay is?

erm. None of those examples you’re providing are especially harsh.

Methinks you need to sample some actual left-wing bloggers, instead of the rather moderate brand of liberalism you’ll find here.

Might I suggest this:

http://pandagon.net/

or this:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

Might want to put on the Depends first, though.

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Bosch –

Here is some more stuff that the AJC and the rest of the mainstream press never covered:

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

Don’t have to search too hard for those few tea party signs now do you? They were all over the TV.

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Bookdude is furiously perfecting the art of the one finger hen peck, trying to get his next blog out and put this one to rest.

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Bosch-

It’s not the same man. A chick with her tatas hangin out, walking thru a biker bar minding her own business is FAR, FAR from a Left-nut at a Right-nut political ralley poking and prodding people. C’mon, stop with this already….

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Jay

October 26th, 2010
12:20 pm
Well, NotMike is pretty clearly dear old Mike.

I wonder if he’s Mikophobic.

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Jay, your arrogance is showing and its not pretty!

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“notike? No kiddin’ Guy! Ike was a war hero”

Oh, AmVet, I just can’t get anything by you…..please excuse my typo. Thanks.

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JB, LOL at your 12:20.

I was just in the process of writing this:

Is it just me or is notmike EXACTLY like the (real?) mike?

HYPER-fixated on a certain AJC employee…

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Jay is in the unique position of believing that his harsh rhetoric is justified. So does the Klan, Jay, so does the Klan.

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There is blame enough to go around, folks, on both sides. No halos in this climate anywhere. Why? Because it works. People complain endlessly about the low class ads, commercials, hit jobs, hit squads, shading and ignoring the truth, personal attacks, etc. and yet any good political consultant will tell you that if you run a nice guy or nice gal compaign, and stick to the issues. you will not have a prayer of winning — and that is true. This is where we are now as a culture. Candidates calling each other liars in debates – face to face – and probably for good reason — on BOTH sides. This is the age of Springer. This stuff gets attention and it sells, sells, sells, despite what people say exercising their fake piety and indignation, while digging through the Internet and other media for more, more, more slash, burn and attack ads and commercials and half truths or no truths. Sad but more true than we can admit to ourselves — hence the fake indignation.

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We all know that harsh rhetoric flows freely here. Anybody here think that their own rhetoric is unjustified?

Anyone?

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“For the truly slow, yes I am Mike.Remind me not to hide the Easter Eggs too well with this crowd.”

Too funny.

This is all gettin’ real good. Just popped a fresh bag of popcorn and I’m ready for Round 2….

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Is there anybody here who doesn’t think that whole video was staged?

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captguitarman –

Exactly. Both sides are peddling the exact same crap. Seeing pundits, politicians and partisans decrying tactics they employ is pathetic. Jay is a prime example.

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Jay –

“Reading these comments show how stupid liberals are, if a person ask Obozo why he does not keep his campaign promises at a town hall meeting the first thing out of your hateful mouths is he or she was a plant, now I do not condone physical abuse by anyone, but without seeing the full scene not just a short script I do question the legitimacy, not that I am saying it was staged but I know how you liberals twist and turn the truth, in other words I have come to doubt every word you speak.”

Do you have any doubt that “Deep Throat” is as convinced that his rhetoric is justified as you are?

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Jay –

Do you notice that I am getting more interest and positive reviews than you are? It is because you are just one of a billion predictable partisans. Yawn.

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Sure will be glad when next Tuesday is behind us.

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Typical of Republicans to justify this stomping of a woman by saying it’s “staged.” They have a cynical excuse for everything people “on their side” do. I guess they think the murder of Dr. Tillman in Kansas last year was also “staged” by pro-choice supporters. And, the man on his way to the Tides Foundation with guns and explosives off to kill “liberals” was a Move-on member, staging everything. And, I guess the explosives mailed to the Democratic house member in Arizona, painted with swastikas, that was staged, too. Every violent act by conservatives, explained.

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Jay –

“Typical of Republicans to justify this stomping of a woman by saying it’s “staged.” They have a cynical excuse for everything people “on their side” do. I guess they think the murder of Dr. Tillman in Kansas last year was also “staged” by pro-choice supporters. And, the man on his way to the Tides Foundation with guns and explosives off to kill “liberals” was a Move-on member, staging everything. And, I guess the explosives mailed to the Democratic house member in Arizona, painted with swastikas, that was staged, too. Every violent act by conservatives, explained.”

She thinks this rhetoric is justified. Oh, who am I kidding. You do too.

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Typical Bookman. Happy to knock down straw men, but scampers off when asked a substantive question. No wonder he has no audience. He has nothing to offer.

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For Rand Paul,his supporters and the rest of the conservative movement this is an opportunity for a very small history lesson. Many of you have no historical backround concerning the Chinese Cultural Revolution or the Red Guards. That being said, I would throw out just one slogan that fits the ideology of Rand Paul and his followers… “Waving the Red Flag (the Chinese flag) to HIDE behind it”. Speaks to the heart of the matter now doesn’t it? I want to thank Paul, his supporters and all who claim to be patriotic Americans for this small graphic lesson in politics.

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“Then i go and voted straight Democratic ticket “

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Last point before I take my leave.

The fact that Jay is choosing to highlight this incident demonstrates his hypocrisy. He is highlighting the bit of extremism to make those who don’t share his political views appear extreme. The cynicism is breathtaking. How does this guy sleep at night?

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I agree with Just a Thought and will be happy that the election cycle is in the past. I really don’t care for all of the TV ads.

But I do have one concern and that is what will the Tea Party people do once they realize that they really don’t have any power to change things? How long will it take them to ‘turn to the dark side’ and jump in the money pit with everyone else?

How long will it take them to realize how difficult it really is to legislate? We all seem to want the career politican to go away but yet we somehow also want experience as well. What will their response be?

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“I wonder if there is a penalty for lying to a pollster like i did last night.

Told him i was voting stright repub ticket.

Then i go a voted straight Democratic ticket.

From the looks of the early voting results , that maybe what is going on. Tell the pollsters one thing, do another.”

LOL. Sure you did. Sure you did.

And what exactly are you trying to accomplish? You do know that when a party is polling badly, news of bad polling depresses their voter turnout right? That is why exit polls are banned in France.

Please keep it up. Hopefully you have lots of help.

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RB, “Is there anybody here who doesn’t think that whole video was staged?”

The way our political climate has devolved, it’s always a possibility. Asking the question in cases like this is not absurd. What is absurd is the assertion by either “camp” that only the other side would pull nasty, dirty tricks, and no one on their side would ever stoop to such a thing. Remember the girl who carved ‘B’ into her forehead and claimed the Obama supporters did it? Had she not carved it backwards in the mirror, she might have gotten away with it. D’OH!

The ugliness and willingness to be violent is real, though. And to the sane among us, disturbing. When *I* say “second ammendment light,” I am referring only to self-defense. For political change, I’ll stick to words and common sense, and hope that it catches on.

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frankly (Newtism for effect), what’s the big deal with comparing somebody to Hitler? University of Tennessee football coach (and son of UGA legend Vince Dooley) compared his team to “the Germans” which kinda makes him Hitler (I think he implied he is Rommel, but I digress).

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I just found out that the video you provided on the Rand Paul rally disturbance was initiated by a left wing woman activist in disguise and carrying a protest placard. Her head was not stepped on and we are well aware of the Democrat antics used by your kook friends on the left. Got a cute answer, other than that dumb Byrds thing you sent, on this member representing the losing nature of your side.

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did you stage your own murder, so to speak?

hmm. If so, it’d be a shame to ruin a fine piece of furniture like this in the process.

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Jay, I actually AGREE with you for once. This incident was ugly.

And I guess this type of “hatred”, as you say, can be traced back to the “HATE” campaign spewed at President George Bush by liberals and Democrats and yourself.

But are you willing to admit that this woman and Moveon.org went to this event to instigate? (and I am not condoning what happened)

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She had no business being there anyway . Just a troublemaking liberal.Let her play the “victim” just like the entitlement crowd.Does she even have a real job that actually produces anything ?

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“Does she even have a real job that actually produces anything ?”

Do you?

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Enough about that incident. Here’s the real news for today!!

Happy Marty McFly Day!
25 years ago today, Marty McFly took that fateful journey back to 1955 in “Back to the Future.”

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/26/happy-marty-mcfly-day-2/?hpt=C2

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frankly (Newtism for effect), what’s the big deal with comparing somebody to Hitler?

For me, mainly, it’s because there are real-life victims of the real-life Hitler who are still with us, and they and their families deserve to have proper respect afforded to what actually happened during the Third Reich.

But then, I wince when I hear people casually use the term “drink the Kool Aid,” as if the reference to horrific mass murder was something that happened on some TV series, and not in real life.

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“Who is going to pay for Bush’s Iraq War ?”

that one’s easy: WE are

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I am not happy to be extremely accurate in my assessment of the situation in the US. (James Howard Kunstler, Charles Hugh Smith, Doug Casey, etc, must be channeling LOL).

“GO GOOBERS GO!” accurate but not so funny now… my advice for sentient beings – GET OUT – stands.

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Hey, the President just sent me an email from the Oval Office. I know how busy he is. That was real thoughtful of him.

James –

“We all have a choice to make in the next seven days.

It’s not just a choice to vote, or a choice to knock on one more door, make one more call, talk to one more voter.

Together, the choice we must make is to continue what we started.

The outcome of this election will determine not just who holds power in the halls of Congress. The decision we make in this election is going to set the direction of this country for years to come.

I need you fired up in Alpharetta.

James, I need you to give it everything you got. And I need your help to power our work until we reach that finish line.

Democrats are running the most ambitious get-out-the-vote program ever attempted in an election like this. Every dollar you can give today will be put right to work to get our message out, to provide the tools our volunteers need.

And every donation will be doubled because it will be matched by another supporter who is giving what he or she can afford.

Will you donate $3 today — and fund the final push?

I know this is a difficult election. It’s because we have been through an incredibly difficult time as a nation, and many are still hurting.

But our opponents in this election are some of the very people who got us into this mess — some of the very people who stood on the sidelines while we worked to clean it up. Now they are promising to pursue the exact same agenda that led us into this crisis.

It’s an agenda that was written by and for the special interests that have fought this movement at every turn. Worse, these groups that stand to profit from the Republican agenda are spending hundreds of millions of dollars to influence this election — flooding the airwaves with misleading ads to attack our best allies.

It’s up to each of us to raise our voices to beat them back.

So if you care about the critical reforms we made to a broken health care system, I need your voice.

If you care about fighting for middle class families, and building a country where opportunity is shared by everyone — I need your voice.

If you care about climate change — and a future where clean-energy technology is built right here in America — I need your voice.

If you share a vision of America that says I am my brother’s keeper, I am my sister’s keeper — I need your voice.

I did not run for this office for the sake of winning an election. And you did not join me in this fight two years ago to quit now.

I know we’ve asked a lot of you in the last few months. You have come through time after time. But I can promise you this: There is one week to go — what all of you do right now will decide this election.

So, if you believe in the change we have made together, I need you to stand behind it. If you believe we are not finished seeking that change, I need you to choose to fight for it.

Please donate $3 or more — and let’s finish strong in the last seven days:

http://my.democrats.org/FiredUp

Thank you,”

Barack Obama

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@Doggone/GA

What do you mean Bush’s war?

Are that ignorant?

Didn’t John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, etc. sign off on the same intelligence as Bush? Check the votes “Hon”

Oh yeah, that doesn’t fit your fast food, bumber sticker snippet.

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Southern Comfort

October 26th, 2010
12:57 pm
staged blogocide????

hilarious

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notmike is also notright

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Something about the dazed look and protruding mouth of the stomper that screams out to me:

I N B R E D

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I look forward to the ending of “czars” if Obama loses in 2012. I understand the need for the “czar” roles and jobs. The title just smacks of Russian Communism that is so detested by me and I think most in the US. And one still has to wonder about Obama’s sensibilities with regards to this issue. Who thought it was a good idea to create issue “czars”? I mean jesus, an ambitious liberal agenda. And we’re going to call people czars? Although you don’t hear it much these days. Maybe they’ve stopped using the term.

Anyway, here’s to hoping we have people with titles other than “czar” running our country after 2012.

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“Who thought it was a good idea to create issue “czars”?”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_czars

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“I guess you are not criticizing European Royalty for being inbred?”

European royalty pushed her down and held here there? Who knew?!

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sfd, excuse my attempt at humor, but effective humor usually has some link to reality, and often a link to a painful experience. ever heard the quip’ “that aside Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?” Mel Brooks carved a career out of “Hitler” jokes, and I say bully for him. we need to get passed the indignation and outrage, which I have to say, is usually expressed on the part of liberals who want to “save the whales” “protect women’s reproductive rights”, etc., etc. Hitler was who he was and the Holocaust happened; how Mel Brooks, paleo-neo-Carlinists, or any Holocaust survivors choose to deal with it, is as individual as the experiences themselves. I suspect Derek Dooley is going to get some flack, and be asked to “apologize” to all those who he may have “offended”. and if he is well-coached – pun intended – he will be sure to note “my comments were taken out of context”.

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You can see excerpts from Neiwert and Amato’s Over the Cliff on Google Books although the whole books is worth reading. The violence actually started on Election Day 2009. Quite simply, we have a lot of redneck goobers who are incensed that we have a partly black, somewhat liberal president.

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@ Doggone/GA: I am not going to connect the dots for you…

… you may want to reseach your own DNA and Family Tree…

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“you may want to reseach your own DNA and Family Tree”

I have already.

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But I imagine she got some high-fives from her friends at Moveon.

As did the repugnant miscreants from their violence-loving pals, as evidenced by the links provided…

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“Didn’t John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, etc. sign off on the same intelligence as Bush? Check the votes “Hon”

Yup, the same bogus intell they told all of us.

“You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.” George W. Bush –interview with CBS News’ Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

“The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” — George W. Bush State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003, making a claim that administration officials knew at the time to be false

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The first czar I remember was Reagan’s drug czar. No one said a peep about the word czar.

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Don’t Forget, I cannot recall, but was Ed Meese, Ronnie’s Pornography Czar?

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Don’t Forget 1:24 – perhaps so. But at minimum, it was stupid Obama PR. I mean, doesn’t a Dem know he has to tiptoe around this kind of issue and nomenclature. Kind of like Republicans can’t go out and say: “I want to sc##w the little people” or “I can’t wait to help big business”. Because there’s already the pre-existing perception they have to avoid.

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Jay

October 26th, 2010
12:50 pm

Thanks for the clarification and example….

You forgot to explain how your speech differs from his.

I do find it kinda odd that you chose to use that particular example.

you don’t see anything overheated about claiming and stating it as fact that Gingrich is more dangerous and less responsible than McCarthy? Wow thats quite a statement!

Tell me again which muslims Gingrich brought before congress on pure speculation and allegations as McCarthy did to those he suspected of Communism.

Nah nothing overheated or overblown about that…

Why Mr. bookman you are the picture of honesty!

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@Don’t Forget: The intel was not just from George W. Bush. The Brits had intel as well as other countries. And intel is not an EXACT science, never has been and never will be.
We just have to agree to disagree. I don’t think one man can take the US to war. First of all it is committing political suidie to do so among other things.

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jm: “I don’t know whether Bush did or didn’t call various people “czar’s”. But I know Obama did. And it was stupid to do so.”

Dude, really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czar_(political_term)

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jm

October 26th, 2010
1:28 pm
Don’t Forget 1:24 – perhaps so. But at minimum, it was stupid Obama PR

How so? It was an accepted term going all the way back to Reagan. How could they have known it would be distorted by Fox. Most people realize that now but Fox got what it wanted, higher ratings and a riled up audience.

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“The MF has yellow cake, YELLOW CAKE!!!”

And NO CHOCOLATE FROSTING!

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Jay,

Did you ban notmike too!

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Jay

October 26th, 2010
1:32 pm
It doesn’t look like I’m going to get an answer from NotMike.

He must be looking for his “man pants”. lol

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jm, wow I didn’t know that. Interesting term to use given the time FDR was in office. I wonder if there was sympahty for the Czar’s given the bolshevik revolution.

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Jay –

“It doesn’t look like I’m going to get an answer from NotMike.”

Good lord you are a hypocrite. The same guy who declares that he would no longer responds to me demands a quick response.

Sorry, hack. I am running a business while I am schooling you. Your “job” is my coffee break.

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@NotMike,
Are you a politician? I only ask because of your reply to Jay @1:37? All I want to know is did you do what Jay is accusing you of doing?

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Jay –

“Does that mean you’re not going to address the false allegations you made, NotMike?”

What are you babbling about? Please be specific. You better be quick about it or I will make an empty snarky remark like you.

BTW: are you ever going to answer my question? You are writing a novel to me, but you have ducked my question for over an hour, despite your hypocritical demands for prompt responses from me.

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Jay…
One radical “professional” agitator and you latch onto this like a chicken on a worm…
like it is REALLY news worthy in larger scope of what is wrong with this country.
I’ll ask you again…do a piece on something like Pickford and Glickman …
let’s see if you are a reporter or as I believe a hack getting a pay check.

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notmike – did you accidentally commit blogocide? Or just have difficulty with your internet connection.

This is a he said / she said thing. Jay says he didn’t ban you. You say he did. What say you notmike?

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“All I want to know is did you do what Jay is accusing you of doing?”

As I said at 12:10:

“Of course, in addition to supplying his own over-heated and divisive rhetoric, Jay also gleefully finds the most absurd and divisive rhetoric coming from the right, thereby reinforcing the opinions of his partisan echo chamber that all who disagree with their political views are bad.

Jay’s message that over-heated rhetoric has gotten out of hand is correct. The fact that he refuses to acknowledge that he and Cynthia Tucker are as complicit as anyone on this planet in this disgusting cycle of hypocrisy is bad enough. For him to whine about it is truly pathetic.”

Jay never responded to me. Instead he ignored my question and declared victory because I had not answered in 15 minutes. Bookman is incapable of taking any action that does not involve hypocrisy.

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But you got to give him credit, he’s doing more than many people would do to make his point…

notmike is a bitter angry ex-AJC employee that haunts these blogs to vent his resentments at his former employers.

No credit is due.

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jm, Iran is truly a no win situation. There’s no good solution. James Baker suggested we simply extend the “nuclear umbrella” to the middle east. I don’t really think the destruction of Isreal is the goal though, that’s just political rhetoric that is appealing to many in the region but would result in the destruction of Iran. Dicators aren’t martyrs. I think Iran just wants to dominate the region. 40% of the worlds oil goes through the Strait of Hormuz. Iran could shut that down and cause economic chaos but they couldn’t keep it closed unless, of course, they had a nuke.

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It’s a miracle! Hallelujah! notmike has been resurrected!

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“It doesn’t look like I’m going to get an answer from NotMike”

Jay, I could publish an entire book of questions I’ve asked you and never gotten a response to, so get off your ivory tower with NotMike. Just like Beck, you’re no different, but are quite arrogant for thinking you are.

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Off topic, but I’m tired of Jay beatin’ up on Mike. This is a race that might be worth watching…

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/25/meet-earl-pomeroy-the-moderate-democrat-touting-his-health-reform-vote.html

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Don’t Forget 1:46 – Baker’s idea isn’t bad. But good grief. We will be extending nuclear protection to a lot of unsavory folks….

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To be Mike or NotMike…NotMike, Please!

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jm, yup, terrible situation all around.

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birdhunter

October 26th, 2010
1:49 pm

Site, please.

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So this Jay’s new tactic: accuse me of lying twice but absolutely refusing to tell me what I said that was false? Are you kidding me?

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Most anger arises from ignorance.

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Oh notmike. Did you commit false blogocide? Or did you just ban yourself from Jay’s blog?

Que pasa?

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Jay – “I would agree with that assessment, USMC.”

Sometimes you make me, well….proud.

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Don’t Forget – maybe we can just drop locusts on Iran.

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JM…check out HR4646…brought to the floor by Chaka Fattah and endorsed by….
you guessed it N.Pelosi and the anointed Lord Obama…..
1% tax on all deposits and withdrawals on all accounts….
and these people want us to believe they want to create an atmosphere of growth….
you have got to be completely stupid to believe that.

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this mike/notmike thing has a “Who’s on first?” feel to it.

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Big D – you’re right. If they were focused on jobs jobs jobs, like Clinton, they would’ve done some different things. I think they care about jobs. They just don’t know how to foster the environment conducive to their creation.

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See what I mean, GOP mo.

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The prescient George Orwell (1984):

“The future of mankind is a boot smashing a human face”

Saw it coming…

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jm

October 26th, 2010
1:57 pm
Don’t Forget – maybe we can just drop locusts on Iran.

I’d see if the CIA could pose as another county and sell them defective equipment. Computers with malicious code would be ideal.

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JM and others …I think the problem with the tax is …why is it in a “HEALTH CARE BILL” other than….you guessed right again…GROW GOVERNMENT…see how easy that was.

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thomas,

I have no need to go back and read the blog for I have every confidence that your claim that Jay is dishonorable is a load of bull.

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So the truth is that there will be a 3.8% tax on any profit made over 250,000 bucks for an individual home sale and over 500,000 for married couples home sale.

Correct?

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Typical Bookman. He poses an irrelevant question, harps on it, refuses to even tell me what it is, whines that I don’t respond fast enough and then ignores the rebuttal.

When Jay was a kid, he walked off the field if his team was losing. Old habits die hard.

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Big D,

I don’t see how Government can’t help to grow with all that fertilizer
in DC…just sayin’

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For the people concerned about the tax- they have reason to be. Including everyone.

Since the rule isn’t indexed to inflation, anyone having an averaged priced home that appreciates at the average historical rate of inflation over the next 30 years will have a good chunk of gain subject to the tax.

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Jefferson…I understand that, but what was the intention.
A. Help the economy and country.
B. Hurt the economy and country.
This is what people will have to ponder when they vote next week…

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“It doesn’t look like I’m going to get an answer from NotMike”

Now really! I know you didn’t expect one!

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Steve wrote:

Has anyone heard about the 3.8% sales tax on the sale of your home that was included/hidden in the Healthcare Reform Bill. It is effective in 2013.

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are disgusting.

This is an inaccurate statement. See the facts at the link below.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/a-38-percent-sales-tax-on-your-home/

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Jay –

You gloated ” “It doesn’t look like I’m going to get an answer from NotMike.” after 15 minutes. You are coming up on two hours without a response. Come on. Live up to the standards that you set for others. For once.

We all know you are there. We were having a real time chat just a few minutes ago.

How bout this? Don’t bust others for not responding within 15 minutes when you don’t respond at all. It just makes you look like more of a hypocrite.

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Doggone –

Stay with me, fanboy. I was quoting Jay directly.

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Normal…True enough…

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If I was a lame person very easily satisfied with myself I would trot out Jay’s lame, “Game, set, match”.

Of course, when Bookman does that, it is just a harbinger that his argument is about to be crushed.

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notmike’s defense: oh, THAT little incident? Ummmmm….I was a drama queen!

A+ for creativity, F for not understanding teh interweb isn’t totally anonymous.

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How to avoid the tax. Just make sure and sell your house before you get too much of a gain and buy a new one to reset your basis.

Stupid gov’t. Stupid rule. people will just act to avoid it and gov’t will never collect the revenue it thinks it should.

Except for all the regular people who get gobsmacked up the head by stupid government rules.

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Aquagirl –

LOL. Yeah. I am a technical illiterate. LOL

I love seeing “intellectuals” demonstrate how prone they are to baseless and false assumptions.

Tell me more, sweetie. Let me guess. I am dumb, ugly and poor right.

Anybody here want to talk about the topic, or are you all going to demonstrate your obsessive love for me. I thought you folks were supposed to represent “intellectuals”.

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“Sorry, hack. I am running a business while I am schooling you. Your “job” is my coffee break.”

Just an observation, but with a “business to run”, notmike is awfully generous to himself with the coffee time.

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What the

October 26th, 2010
2:14 pm

Ok,

the basic idea was that jay proclaimed there to be a problem with overheated rhetoric.

I asked him early on in the blog if he was to blame for any of that.

He said no and asked for examples of what i percieved to be his rhetoric.

i provided examples and Bookman continued to claim he was not responsible for any overheated rhetoric. To which I asked for a reason or examples of what made others rhetoric overheated and his not.

He claimed he was unable to explainwhy the sky was blue as well.

To which I called him dishonest.

B/C as I see it if you are going to criticise a group for doing something, then you should be honest enough to include yourself in that group if shown to have done similar things. Or at least be able to show the differences entirely or indegree. But Bookman was unable to do either.

i agreed with the idea of jay’s piece simply thought it was dishonest to exclude himself from those who excreate overheated rhetoric.

Apologies for asking you to explain my reason to you.

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Abrazos –

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OK, we’re officially off the rails. what exactly is “overheated rhetoric”? is there a correct temperature for heating rhetoric? excuse me, sir; would you like that rhetoric rare, medium or well-done? seems to me rhetoric is certainly not “rare” – but rarely “well done” (rimshot). in honor of Halloween, I say; “quote the craven, nevermore…”

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“You have a bizarre fixation, even obsession”

For real.

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Mike…
My only beef with Jay and CT is they NEVER throw a liberal under the bus and NEVER even give a token look at the wrong doings of the left.
No real substance at all…

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“Mike, the electronic record does not support your version of events. It shows you posting right up to the day in which you claim to have banned, with no posts failing to show up. When you resumed posting, you showed no surprise whatsoever that the “ban” had been lifted.”

Wow. I am speechless. You are a very small man.

Look, that is the way it happened, all of your sad detective work to the contrary. I really don’t care enough to lie about it, but hey, if it will end this petty argument I will admit to something or other. What is it that I am supposed to have done again?

Thanks for ducking a very reasonable and on-topic question. You are truly pathetic, both as a man and as “journalist” (or whatever you think you are.)

Game, set, match, loser.

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I missed getting Jay to self-destruct like this, sputtering about IP addresses and dates of banning. What a pathetic loser. I hope the publishers see what they are paying for.

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He said no and asked for examples of what i percieved to be his rhetoric.

i provided examples and Bookman continued to claim he was not responsible for any overheated rhetoric.

What examples? Please link to them.

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Jay, let’s move on to another topic. Then Mike can rant at you on a new subject…

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“Game, set, match, loser.”

Holy moly.

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