Protester stomped in Ky. Senate race
Since this is pretty clearly going to dominate the innertubes today:
I have no doubt whatsoever that Rand Paul and most of his supporters are appalled by what happened last night. However, I also have no doubt that in this incident and others yet to come, we are reaping the harvest of hatred sown by overheated rhetoric that treats political disagreement as betrayal and political opponents as a dire threat to America’s existence.
And on that point, it’s good to get at least SOME bipartisan agreement, notably here and here.
On the other hand, there have also been attempts to justify it and to excuse it or even celebrate it.
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October 26th, 2010
12:28 pm
AmVet,
I think that Jay must have beat up Mike when they were in the sixth grade and he never got over it…
notmike
October 26th, 2010
12:28 pm
captguitarman –
Exactly. Both sides are peddling the exact same crap. Seeing pundits, politicians and partisans decrying tactics they employ is pathetic. Jay is a prime example.
jm
October 26th, 2010
12:29 pm
Nice Guy – ditto. notmike is entertaining. I have to admit.
notmike
October 26th, 2010
12:30 pm
Jay –
“Reading these comments show how stupid liberals are, if a person ask Obozo why he does not keep his campaign promises at a town hall meeting the first thing out of your hateful mouths is he or she was a plant, now I do not condone physical abuse by anyone, but without seeing the full scene not just a short script I do question the legitimacy, not that I am saying it was staged but I know how you liberals twist and turn the truth, in other words I have come to doubt every word you speak.”
Do you have any doubt that “Deep Throat” is as convinced that his rhetoric is justified as you are?
jm
October 26th, 2010
12:31 pm
RB 12:27 – yes. me. It’s ridiculous to assume it was staged.
The guy should go to jail (for whatever the normal punishment is). People should move on.
Jay is highlighting a divisive issue, the reference to violence in politics. Both sides are guilty of violence and intimidation. It shouldn’t be tolerated on either side.
But highlighting it doesn’t serve to fix it. It only further divides people. Of course, sweeping it under the carpet isn’t a good idea either. Oh well.
notmike
October 26th, 2010
12:32 pm
Jay –
Do you notice that I am getting more interest and positive reviews than you are? It is because you are just one of a billion predictable partisans. Yawn.
thomas
October 26th, 2010
12:32 pm
Jay,
i am not notmike, nor am I Mike. So no need to ignore me as you have vowed to do with him.
with that cleared up i will ask again.
Can you please provide examples so we may see what in your mind expresses Overheated rhetoric and show us how you are innocent of having done so? Please!
Just a Thought
October 26th, 2010
12:33 pm
Sure will be glad when next Tuesday is behind us.
thomas
October 26th, 2010
12:35 pm
Just a Thought
October 26th, 2010
12:33 pm
I thought the same thing about 2 years ago this time of year…..
But……
lynnie gal
October 26th, 2010
12:35 pm
Typical of Republicans to justify this stomping of a woman by saying it’s “staged.” They have a cynical excuse for everything people “on their side” do. I guess they think the murder of Dr. Tillman in Kansas last year was also “staged” by pro-choice supporters. And, the man on his way to the Tides Foundation with guns and explosives off to kill “liberals” was a Move-on member, staging everything. And, I guess the explosives mailed to the Democratic house member in Arizona, painted with swastikas, that was staged, too. Every violent act by conservatives, explained.
notmike
October 26th, 2010
12:36 pm
Thomas –
“So no need to ignore me as you have vowed to do with him.”
Don’t bother. The real reason Jay does not answer me is that he can’t. All the other is just an excuse. My rhetoric is tame by the standards he sets here. He is just a bad loser.
He is ignoring you for the same reason.
notmike
October 26th, 2010
12:37 pm
Jay –
“Typical of Republicans to justify this stomping of a woman by saying it’s “staged.” They have a cynical excuse for everything people “on their side” do. I guess they think the murder of Dr. Tillman in Kansas last year was also “staged” by pro-choice supporters. And, the man on his way to the Tides Foundation with guns and explosives off to kill “liberals” was a Move-on member, staging everything. And, I guess the explosives mailed to the Democratic house member in Arizona, painted with swastikas, that was staged, too. Every violent act by conservatives, explained.”
She thinks this rhetoric is justified. Oh, who am I kidding. You do too.
AmVet's Mystery Meat
October 26th, 2010
12:37 pm
RB from Gwinnett
October 26th, 2010
12:27 pm
It doesn’t matter is it was staged or not – this stuff does happen and will continue. The question is – how often does it happen? Is it newsworthy? Yes. Does Jay paint an accurate picture. No. Sensational items sell newpapers and now gather hits. This is what Jay is paid to do. People need to do their own homework and not blindly follow their fearless bloggers.
notmike
October 26th, 2010
12:38 pm
Typical Bookman. Happy to knock down straw men, but scampers off when asked a substantive question. No wonder he has no audience. He has nothing to offer.
larry
October 26th, 2010
12:40 pm
I wonder if there is a penalty for lying to a pollster like i did last night.
Told him i was voting stright repub ticket.
Then i go a voted straight Democratic ticket.
From the looks of the early voting results , that maybe what is going on. Tell the pollsters one thing, do another.
snoqualmiefalls
October 26th, 2010
12:40 pm
For Rand Paul,his supporters and the rest of the conservative movement this is an opportunity for a very small history lesson. Many of you have no historical backround concerning the Chinese Cultural Revolution or the Red Guards. That being said, I would throw out just one slogan that fits the ideology of Rand Paul and his followers… “Waving the Red Flag (the Chinese flag) to HIDE behind it”. Speaks to the heart of the matter now doesn’t it? I want to thank Paul, his supporters and all who claim to be patriotic Americans for this small graphic lesson in politics.
BADA BING
October 26th, 2010
12:40 pm
This reminds me of the ‘Cracker Barrel’ incident. The guy was a thug and no one deserved a beating like that. One thing bothered me about the Cracker Barrel thing…. the woman was a reservist, did she not get the self defense training? Please don’t anyone mention the size or gender difference.You don’t get to fight in your weight division on the battlefield, you have to defend yourself against everything that comes at you. Women cops can control larger people than themselves, was she not trained at all? Just curious, not judging.
larry
October 26th, 2010
12:41 pm
“Then i go and voted straight Democratic ticket “
AmVet's Mystery Meat
October 26th, 2010
12:41 pm
That’s nothing new Larry. Want a cookie?
notmike
October 26th, 2010
12:41 pm
Last point before I take my leave.
The fact that Jay is choosing to highlight this incident demonstrates his hypocrisy. He is highlighting the bit of extremism to make those who don’t share his political views appear extreme. The cynicism is breathtaking. How does this guy sleep at night?
thomas
October 26th, 2010
12:41 pm
notmike
October 26th, 2010
12:36 pm
i am optimistic!
i prefer to think he is working on an unbelievable piece for us to enjoy or tear apart!
I will say i am starting to see fewer and fewer differences between Jay, Cynthia, Beck, Hannity, Rush and any other “member of the media” who plays the fears and loathings of its readers/ listeners against each other for the host/ authors personal gain.
Fly-On-The-Wall
October 26th, 2010
12:42 pm
I agree with Just a Thought and will be happy that the election cycle is in the past. I really don’t care for all of the TV ads.
But I do have one concern and that is what will the Tea Party people do once they realize that they really don’t have any power to change things? How long will it take them to ‘turn to the dark side’ and jump in the money pit with everyone else?
How long will it take them to realize how difficult it really is to legislate? We all seem to want the career politican to go away but yet we somehow also want experience as well. What will their response be?
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
October 26th, 2010
12:44 pm
H…and they didn’t even take a taxpayer funded bail-out…Ford makes $1.7 billion profit. mmm, mmm, mmm….ONE MORE WEEK…..
notmike
October 26th, 2010
12:44 pm
“I wonder if there is a penalty for lying to a pollster like i did last night.
Told him i was voting stright repub ticket.
Then i go a voted straight Democratic ticket.
From the looks of the early voting results , that maybe what is going on. Tell the pollsters one thing, do another.”
LOL. Sure you did. Sure you did.
And what exactly are you trying to accomplish? You do know that when a party is polling badly, news of bad polling depresses their voter turnout right? That is why exit polls are banned in France.
Please keep it up. Hopefully you have lots of help.
stands for decibels
October 26th, 2010
12:44 pm
How does this guy sleep at night?
Ah do declare, Ah feel… the VAPORS! a-comin’ on…
Matti
October 26th, 2010
12:44 pm
RB, “Is there anybody here who doesn’t think that whole video was staged?”
The way our political climate has devolved, it’s always a possibility. Asking the question in cases like this is not absurd. What is absurd is the assertion by either “camp” that only the other side would pull nasty, dirty tricks, and no one on their side would ever stoop to such a thing. Remember the girl who carved ‘B’ into her forehead and claimed the Obama supporters did it? Had she not carved it backwards in the mirror, she might have gotten away with it. D’OH!
The ugliness and willingness to be violent is real, though. And to the sane among us, disturbing. When *I* say “second ammendment light,” I am referring only to self-defense. For political change, I’ll stick to words and common sense, and hope that it catches on.
yuzeyurbrain
October 26th, 2010
12:44 pm
Now the demagogues who enabled this will wring their hands and decry violence. Just look at some of the comments above. Now, these demagogues really think they can control the rabble. But KKK, Timothy McVeigh and disenfranchisement are the future. This is all well documented by organizations that monitor violent hate groups. And we will be good Germans, looking the other way as our body politic is cleansed of those who are different.
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 26th, 2010
12:46 pm
frankly (Newtism for effect), what’s the big deal with comparing somebody to Hitler? University of Tennessee football coach (and son of UGA legend Vince Dooley) compared his team to “the Germans” which kinda makes him Hitler (I think he implied he is Rommel, but I digress).
Just a Thought
October 26th, 2010
12:47 pm
stands for decibels
October 26th, 2010
12:44 pm
OMG, LOL….
Donovan
October 26th, 2010
12:47 pm
I just found out that the video you provided on the Rand Paul rally disturbance was initiated by a left wing woman activist in disguise and carrying a protest placard. Her head was not stepped on and we are well aware of the Democrat antics used by your kook friends on the left. Got a cute answer, other than that dumb Byrds thing you sent, on this member representing the losing nature of your side.
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
12:47 pm
Interest? Yes, absolutely. Just like watching a train wreck.
Positive reviews? You’re kidding right?
Calling you a hyper-hypocritical one-trick pony is like calling Lake Michigan a pond.
But you certainly do provide great comedic spectacle for many, many of us here, mike. Not or otherwise…
Jay
October 26th, 2010
12:50 pm
Sure Thomas. In the posts cited by NotMike, on Gingrich and on “Second Amendment remedies,” I pointed out clear examples of overheated rhetoric.
Now, as to Mike:
A few weeks ago you appeared on this blog as NotMike and melodramatically announced that you had been banned from my blog, thus proving that I am a bully, abject coward, etc. You then disappeared for a while.
But of course, as you and I know, none of that was true. You had not been banned at all, as your postings here today demonstrate. You are posting today from the identical IP address that you had been posting from for more than a year.
So … what was all that about? You had clearly been TRYING to get banned. When you got frustrated in that effort, did you stage your own murder, so to speak?
Just a Thought
October 26th, 2010
12:53 pm
LOL…I smell blood in the water…..
stands for decibels
October 26th, 2010
12:56 pm
did you stage your own murder, so to speak?
hmm. If so, it’d be a shame to ruin a fine piece of furniture like this in the process.
Granny Godzilla
October 26th, 2010
12:57 pm
notmike….you got some seriously bad karma
USMC DAWG
October 26th, 2010
12:57 pm
Jay, I actually AGREE with you for once. This incident was ugly.
And I guess this type of “hatred”, as you say, can be traced back to the “HATE” campaign spewed at President George Bush by liberals and Democrats and yourself.
But are you willing to admit that this woman and Moveon.org went to this event to instigate? (and I am not condoning what happened)
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
12:57 pm
staged blogocide????
joesuggs
October 26th, 2010
12:58 pm
She had no business being there anyway . Just a troublemaking liberal.Let her play the “victim” just like the entitlement crowd.Does she even have a real job that actually produces anything ?
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
12:59 pm
“can be traced back to the “HATE” campaign spewed at President George Bush by liberals and Democrats and yourself.”
Hon, if you think this kind of thing is restricted to this century, or even to the end of the last one…you SERIOUSLY need to do some learnin’ in the history department.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
12:59 pm
“Does she even have a real job that actually produces anything ?”
Do you?
Peter
October 26th, 2010
12:59 pm
Who is going to pay for Bush’s Iraq War ?
Jay
October 26th, 2010
1:00 pm
In case your memory needs refreshing, NotMike, you posted the following:
“Victory is mine. Jay has blocked from his blog.
Jay did not block me because I violated any rules. Jay blocked me because he does not like the fact that I point out that he is a partisan pundit who is no different than Beck, Limbaugh and the rest of the folks he despises.
Cyndi Tucker did the same thing a ways back. So remember folks, these two demagougues are unwilling to acccept the same criticism they dolw out. Like all bullies, Cyndi and Jay are also abject cowards.
Jay will delete this post soon and although I can overcome their silly block with a minmum of effort, I’ll just say my goodbyes. It’s been fun folks.”
You stayed away for what looks like two weeks but apparently couldn’t help yourself. You returned as NotMike, making no effort to “overcome their silly block” because you knew it didn’t exist in the first place.
So, please explain to the class.
AmVet's Mystery Meat
October 26th, 2010
1:01 pm
*Crickets Chirping* @ Dog.
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
1:01 pm
Enough about that incident. Here’s the real news for today!!
Happy Marty McFly Day!
25 years ago today, Marty McFly took that fateful journey back to 1955 in “Back to the Future.”
http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/26/happy-marty-mcfly-day-2/?hpt=C2
Inquiring Mind
October 26th, 2010
1:01 pm
Those Tea Partying Rand Paul supporters tolerate any sort of bad behavior. Hatred. Violence. I couldn’t distinquish them from your run-of-the-mill Republicans though if it were not for their signs.
stands for decibels
October 26th, 2010
1:03 pm
frankly (Newtism for effect), what’s the big deal with comparing somebody to Hitler?
For me, mainly, it’s because there are real-life victims of the real-life Hitler who are still with us, and they and their families deserve to have proper respect afforded to what actually happened during the Third Reich.
But then, I wince when I hear people casually use the term “drink the Kool Aid,” as if the reference to horrific mass murder was something that happened on some TV series, and not in real life.
notmike
October 26th, 2010
1:04 pm
Jay –
“. But KKK, Timothy McVeigh and disenfranchisement are the future. This is all well documented by organizations that monitor violent hate groups. And we will be good Germans, looking the other way as our body politic is cleansed of those who are different.”
This guy thinks his rhetoric is justified too. Just like you.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
1:06 pm
“Who is going to pay for Bush’s Iraq War ?”
that one’s easy: WE are
notmike
October 26th, 2010
1:06 pm
Jay –
“Those Tea Partying Rand Paul supporters tolerate any sort of bad behavior. Hatred. Violence”
This guy thinks his rhetoric is justified too.
Thank God We Escaped!
October 26th, 2010
1:08 pm
I am not happy to be extremely accurate in my assessment of the situation in the US. (James Howard Kunstler, Charles Hugh Smith, Doug Casey, etc, must be channeling LOL).
“GO GOOBERS GO!” accurate but not so funny now… my advice for sentient beings – GET OUT – stands.
stands for decibels
October 26th, 2010
1:09 pm
GET OUT – stands
ok, ok, gotta leave this time-suck anyways…
Scout
October 26th, 2010
1:10 pm
Hey, the President just sent me an email from the Oval Office. I know how busy he is. That was real thoughtful of him.
James –
“We all have a choice to make in the next seven days.
It’s not just a choice to vote, or a choice to knock on one more door, make one more call, talk to one more voter.
Together, the choice we must make is to continue what we started.
The outcome of this election will determine not just who holds power in the halls of Congress. The decision we make in this election is going to set the direction of this country for years to come.
I need you fired up in Alpharetta.
James, I need you to give it everything you got. And I need your help to power our work until we reach that finish line.
Democrats are running the most ambitious get-out-the-vote program ever attempted in an election like this. Every dollar you can give today will be put right to work to get our message out, to provide the tools our volunteers need.
And every donation will be doubled because it will be matched by another supporter who is giving what he or she can afford.
Will you donate $3 today — and fund the final push?
I know this is a difficult election. It’s because we have been through an incredibly difficult time as a nation, and many are still hurting.
But our opponents in this election are some of the very people who got us into this mess — some of the very people who stood on the sidelines while we worked to clean it up. Now they are promising to pursue the exact same agenda that led us into this crisis.
It’s an agenda that was written by and for the special interests that have fought this movement at every turn. Worse, these groups that stand to profit from the Republican agenda are spending hundreds of millions of dollars to influence this election — flooding the airwaves with misleading ads to attack our best allies.
It’s up to each of us to raise our voices to beat them back.
So if you care about the critical reforms we made to a broken health care system, I need your voice.
If you care about fighting for middle class families, and building a country where opportunity is shared by everyone — I need your voice.
If you care about climate change — and a future where clean-energy technology is built right here in America — I need your voice.
If you share a vision of America that says I am my brother’s keeper, I am my sister’s keeper — I need your voice.
I did not run for this office for the sake of winning an election. And you did not join me in this fight two years ago to quit now.
I know we’ve asked a lot of you in the last few months. You have come through time after time. But I can promise you this: There is one week to go — what all of you do right now will decide this election.
So, if you believe in the change we have made together, I need you to stand behind it. If you believe we are not finished seeking that change, I need you to choose to fight for it.
Please donate $3 or more — and let’s finish strong in the last seven days:
http://my.democrats.org/FiredUp
Thank you,”
Barack Obama
Jay
October 26th, 2010
1:10 pm
Does that mean you’re not going to address the false allegations you made, NotMike?
USMC DAWG
October 26th, 2010
1:10 pm
@Doggone/GA
What do you mean Bush’s war?
Are that ignorant?
Didn’t John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, etc. sign off on the same intelligence as Bush? Check the votes “Hon”
Oh yeah, that doesn’t fit your fast food, bumber sticker snippet.
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
1:11 pm
She had no business being there anyway . Just a troublemaking liberal.
Joe Suggs for Congress!
(Just don’t show up on the campaign trail if you disagree with him…)
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
1:12 pm
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
12:57 pm
staged blogocide????
hilarious
Inquiring Mind
October 26th, 2010
1:12 pm
This guy thinks his rhetoric is justified too.
There’s just something about a Tea Partyer’s foot on her head that brings out the justified rhetoric in me.
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
1:12 pm
notmike is also notright
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
1:12 pm
“What do you mean Bush’s war?”
YOu need to address that to Peter – I was quoting him.
“Didn’t John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, etc. sign off on the same intelligence as Bush? Check the votes “Hon”
I don’t care who voted for it, I’m already on record multiple times as stating that if it was in MY power to do it I would try EVERY congressperson who voted yes for TREASON – for abdicating their Congressional responsibility to declare war.
Left wing management
October 26th, 2010
1:14 pm
Something about the dazed look and protruding mouth of the stomper that screams out to me:
I N B R E D
USMC DAWG
October 26th, 2010
1:14 pm
@ AmVet
She went to the function under orders of Moveon.org to INSTIGATE trouble to draw attention away from the issues and try to smear the candidate.
It was wrong what people did to her, but she instigated the whole thing and Moveon.org got what they wanted.
jm
October 26th, 2010
1:15 pm
I look forward to the ending of “czars” if Obama loses in 2012. I understand the need for the “czar” roles and jobs. The title just smacks of Russian Communism that is so detested by me and I think most in the US. And one still has to wonder about Obama’s sensibilities with regards to this issue. Who thought it was a good idea to create issue “czars”? I mean jesus, an ambitious liberal agenda. And we’re going to call people czars? Although you don’t hear it much these days. Maybe they’ve stopped using the term.
Anyway, here’s to hoping we have people with titles other than “czar” running our country after 2012.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
1:16 pm
“Moveon.org got what they wanted”
If people are stupid enough to rise to what you characterize as an instigation, it’s a bit disingenuous to then complain about the results…don’t you think?
Jay
October 26th, 2010
1:16 pm
I would agree with that assessment, USMC.
Again, it in no way justifies what happened. But I imagine she got some high-fives from her friends at Moveon.
USMC DAWG
October 26th, 2010
1:17 pm
@ Leftwing “Something about the dazed look and protruding mouth of the stomper that screams out to me:
I N B R E D”
That does not sound very diverse and sounds like HATRED.
I guess you are not criticizing European Royalty for being inbred?
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
1:17 pm
“Who thought it was a good idea to create issue “czars”?”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_czars
BW
October 26th, 2010
1:17 pm
Do we really want to start justifying violence in this manner? Beware the Darwinist society….you may find yourself on the wrong side of the table.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
1:17 pm
“I guess you are not criticizing European Royalty for being inbred?”
European royalty pushed her down and held here there? Who knew?!
USMC DAWG
October 26th, 2010
1:17 pm
Agreed Jay. Oh no… I am agreeing with JAy Bookman:)
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 26th, 2010
1:18 pm
sfd, excuse my attempt at humor, but effective humor usually has some link to reality, and often a link to a painful experience. ever heard the quip’ “that aside Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?” Mel Brooks carved a career out of “Hitler” jokes, and I say bully for him. we need to get passed the indignation and outrage, which I have to say, is usually expressed on the part of liberals who want to “save the whales” “protect women’s reproductive rights”, etc., etc. Hitler was who he was and the Holocaust happened; how Mel Brooks, paleo-neo-Carlinists, or any Holocaust survivors choose to deal with it, is as individual as the experiences themselves. I suspect Derek Dooley is going to get some flack, and be asked to “apologize” to all those who he may have “offended”. and if he is well-coached – pun intended – he will be sure to note “my comments were taken out of context”.
jm
October 26th, 2010
1:18 pm
Doggone 1:12 – Ahem. Unhinged kind of statement. But at least he / she’s consistent….
Fang1944
October 26th, 2010
1:18 pm
You can see excerpts from Neiwert and Amato’s Over the Cliff on Google Books although the whole books is worth reading. The violence actually started on Election Day 2009. Quite simply, we have a lot of redneck goobers who are incensed that we have a partly black, somewhat liberal president.
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
1:18 pm
One more time…
The vote to allow you know who to botch you know what in you know where:
US House of Representatives
Yes No
Republican 215 6
Democratic 82 126
US Senate
Yes No
Republican 48 1
Democratic 29 21
Totals
Republican 263 yes, 7 no = 97.4% yes
Democratic 111 yes, 147 no = 43% yes
NINETY SEVEN PERCENT???
ONLY seven men in the GOP had the balls to stand up to King George?
Sorry Dawg, notwithstanding some spineless Dems, the blame rests squarely on the cowardly neo-cons for the horrifically mismanaged and lie-based Bush Crusades…
USMC DAWG
October 26th, 2010
1:19 pm
@ Doggone/GA: I am not going to connect the dots for you…
… you may want to reseach your own DNA and Family Tree…
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
1:19 pm
“But at least he / she’s consistent….”
Oh yes. I was LIVID when that resolution passed, and I still am.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
1:20 pm
“you may want to reseach your own DNA and Family Tree”
I have already.
Inquiring Mind
October 26th, 2010
1:20 pm
Good thing moveon did not send someone willing and capable of defending herself against her big manly attacker that likely had a good 100+ pounds on her. That would have been an embarrassing Kodak moment for the tea partying bully. I wonder if that guy is married and if so, I wonder what his wife thought about that move. Did it bring back memories.
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
1:21 pm
But I imagine she got some high-fives from her friends at Moveon.
As did the repugnant miscreants from their violence-loving pals, as evidenced by the links provided…
jm
October 26th, 2010
1:22 pm
Doggone 1:17 – that was interesting. However, see this:
“The list is subjective and imprecise, since frequently individuals or offices might be referred to by the nickname “czar” by some publication or a political opponent, yet the actual governmental official, a majority of publications and others do not use the term.”
I don’t know whether Bush did or didn’t call various people “czar’s”. But I know Obama did. And it was stupid to do so.
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
1:23 pm
“Didn’t John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, etc. sign off on the same intelligence as Bush? Check the votes “Hon”
Yup, the same bogus intell they told all of us.
“You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.” George W. Bush –interview with CBS News’ Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006
“The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” — George W. Bush State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003, making a claim that administration officials knew at the time to be false
USMC DAWG
October 26th, 2010
1:23 pm
@Fang1944: So do we also have a lot of the “N” word goobers?
The contempt for Pres Obama has nothing to do with his skin color just because you are insecure about being your skin color.
It’s the issues.
Your weakness is your Affirmative Action” mentality…
ex: “I am black and if I don’t get my way… you are racist”
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
1:24 pm
The first czar I remember was Reagan’s drug czar. No one said a peep about the word czar.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
1:25 pm
“But I know Obama did. And it was stupid to do so.”
and it wasn’t when Bush did it? As far as I know, it’s REALLY more of a “reporter” thing that an administration thing. *I* first heard the term during the Bush admin…and I didn’t like it either. What the hell is wrong with just plain calling them ADVISORS?
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
1:26 pm
Don’t Forget, I cannot recall, but was Ed Meese, Ronnie’s Pornography Czar?
Inquiring Mind
October 26th, 2010
1:27 pm
It’s the issues.
It is truly good to see humor injected from time to time.
jm
October 26th, 2010
1:28 pm
Don’t Forget 1:24 – perhaps so. But at minimum, it was stupid Obama PR. I mean, doesn’t a Dem know he has to tiptoe around this kind of issue and nomenclature. Kind of like Republicans can’t go out and say: “I want to sc##w the little people” or “I can’t wait to help big business”. Because there’s already the pre-existing perception they have to avoid.
Jefferson
October 26th, 2010
1:29 pm
“The MF has yellow cake, YELLOW CAKE!!!”
thomas
October 26th, 2010
1:29 pm
Jay
October 26th, 2010
12:50 pm
Thanks for the clarification and example….
You forgot to explain how your speech differs from his.
I do find it kinda odd that you chose to use that particular example.
you don’t see anything overheated about claiming and stating it as fact that Gingrich is more dangerous and less responsible than McCarthy? Wow thats quite a statement!
Tell me again which muslims Gingrich brought before congress on pure speculation and allegations as McCarthy did to those he suspected of Communism.
Nah nothing overheated or overblown about that…
Why Mr. bookman you are the picture of honesty!
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
1:29 pm
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
1:26 pm
Don’t Forget, I cannot recall, but was Ed Meese, Ronnie’s Pornography Czar?
Well……..lol, but seriously the whole czar thing was drummed up by fox news. It was never an issue before that.
USMC DAWG
October 26th, 2010
1:29 pm
@Don’t Forget: The intel was not just from George W. Bush. The Brits had intel as well as other countries. And intel is not an EXACT science, never has been and never will be.
We just have to agree to disagree. I don’t think one man can take the US to war. First of all it is committing political suidie to do so among other things.
jm
October 26th, 2010
1:30 pm
Doggone 1:25 – well, I think they’re trying to convey the roles power and authority, even though legally its more difficult since they’re not confirmed by congress. So “czar” helps do that in theory. But surely someone can come up with something better.
“Manager”? Don’t know…
Matti
October 26th, 2010
1:31 pm
jm: “I don’t know whether Bush did or didn’t call various people “czar’s”. But I know Obama did. And it was stupid to do so.”
Dude, really?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czar_(political_term)
AIG
October 26th, 2010
1:31 pm
Because there’s already the pre-existing perception they have to avoid.
I’m sorry but your claims have been denied.
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
1:32 pm
jm
October 26th, 2010
1:28 pm
Don’t Forget 1:24 – perhaps so. But at minimum, it was stupid Obama PR
How so? It was an accepted term going all the way back to Reagan. How could they have known it would be distorted by Fox. Most people realize that now but Fox got what it wanted, higher ratings and a riled up audience.
Jay
October 26th, 2010
1:32 pm
It doesn’t look like I’m going to get an answer from NotMike.
Rachel's Rays
October 26th, 2010
1:32 pm
“The MF has yellow cake, YELLOW CAKE!!!”
And NO CHOCOLATE FROSTING!
jm
October 26th, 2010
1:33 pm
Jay 1:32 – I think you’re right…. The unsolved case of mistaken blogocide.
To mike or not to mike
October 26th, 2010
1:34 pm
Jay,
Did you ban notmike too!
jm
October 26th, 2010
1:34 pm
Don’t Forget 1:32 – according to wikipedia, FDR was the first to use it. Who knew?
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
1:36 pm
Jay
October 26th, 2010
1:32 pm
It doesn’t look like I’m going to get an answer from NotMike.
He must be looking for his “man pants”. lol