GOP pushing Latinos into Democratic arms

Well, they won’t be voting Dem if we can get them out of the country pretty quick.

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10 or 15 years years from now, It all depends on if the said Latino-Americans are federal slaves or individual liberty-loving owners.

If the latter, these folks will not be interested in Republicans OR Democrats.

I think that the Latinos are a positive influence in that they have had a full 200 years longer to deal with a corrupt,foreign, and hostile centralized federal government.

As we speak, they are showing some seat-belted. porno-scanned, drug-tested, police-frisked, scared Americans the way to ignore authority.

Vive Libertad.

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Well, I couldn’t get the audio at work from the video. But I don’t see why the Republican party should be pandering to non-US citizens….

All that said, they should be trying to get Latino support. But if that support is contingent on having some kind of “open-borders” policy, I don’t think that’s going to be a vote winner from anyone else…

Lesseee, does Democrat’s attempts to curry Latino support by offering amnesty amount to aiding and abetting illegal activities? All in the eye of the beholder.

Perhaps we should be offering DUI people amnesty. Or try to restore voting rights for felons. Oh wait, the Democratic party is already doing that. Easiest way to get more votes….

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Democratic party is the party in favor of those with misdemeanors and felonies, and wanting government handouts. Republican party is the party in favor of those committing financial fraud, peddling government influence, and running irresponsible businesses.

I want neither. I just want less government. Period.

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“You know what’s the matter with this country? Too many foreigners.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssZFyMMdTXY&feature=related

HEY CISCO, WAIT FOR ME !

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Those illegals sure do look lazy.

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“Too bad she decided to use only Latinos to represent those here illegally in her ad.”

Ya I get your point. It’s not just people from Mexico, I know.

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Lucy, you got some splainin to do !

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American Bandstand 2025

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCYknTY6u4A

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Doggone 2:58 – $677 Billion / year for SS, $453 Billion / year for Medicare, and $663 Billion / year for the military have nothing to do with stopping financial fraud or local policing.

There, I just saved $1.9 Trillion. We can spend an extra $100 B on police and stopping financial fraud and still save $1.8 Trillion. Make room for your retired family members in your spare bedrooms….

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Jay, I hope you take the time to log into notmike’s company’s site and call him a hypocrit using a made up name to hide your true identity.

That’s such a ‘ballsy” thing to do, ya know?

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Finn – yeah. Next time a white male gets dressed down in front of a Senate confirmation committee, I’m going to take huge offense. Right…..

Because people get slapped around in front of Congress because of issues like race, like that’s not a hot potato.

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If you think rush hour at Sphagetti Juction is bad now just wait !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtkBKrCLcOg&feature=related

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jm, I can tell you have no empahty for what it’s like being a minority and seeing a member of your race/creed/religion etc make good and get promoted into a major position in your chosen country. That was a major moment of pride.

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“$677 Billion / year for SS, $453 Billion / year for Medicare, and $663 Billion / year for the military ”

You do realize, don’t you, that SS has it’s own funding stream and does not contribute to the general deficit? And that without Medicare we will STILL be paying for those sick people…we’ll just be paying more to the insurance companies and hospitals. As for the military…I’m all for it. I think we need to go back to the system of citizen soldiers. What do we even NEED a staning army FOR?

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Del:

I’ll be “From the Halls of Montezuma” is not in their song !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPwbgBdleZs

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I don’t see it happening. Reid has been on the wrong side of this issue. NAFTA was supposed to relieve the exodus. We have to simply start enforcing the immigration laws or forfeit our heritage.

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Doggone –
A – let’s not rehash the funding debate for SS and Medicare
B – more to the point, glad to see you’re only willing to cut the things you don’t like (the military), instead of everything.

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“What do we NEED a staning army FOR.”

We need a STANDING Army so you’re able to publicly ask that question.

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Del – amen. Although we don’t need one that costs $600+ billion to do that…. I’m of the opinion $200 Billion (1.5% of GDP) ought to cover it….

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Bosch – “Too bad she decided to use only Latinos to represent those here illegally in her ad.”

Why is that too bad? They are the ones that come over in droves.

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Jay – “For those who surmised the Rand Paul incident might have been orchestrated”

How does this prove otherwise? All this tells me is that they need to do a little deeper investigating into their volutneers.

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We have to simply start enforcing the immigration laws or forfeit our heritage.

Deportations are up and border apprehensions are declining. Many illegals are leaving on their own because of the economic downturn. NAFTA could have been a step towards easing the problem, but only if you see it as a Mexican problem.

Our illegal immigration problem is an economic one. People don’t just come here just so they can say they live in America. As our economy continues to stagnate, people will be less inclined to try to come here and work illegally when they can work in their home country. Little do people realize how much the corporations who export jobs overseas are helping the illegal immigration issue. If those jobs came with livable wages in their home countries, there would be no need to come here.

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Meanwhile a local GA Congressional aspirant asks nicely to take the pragmatic approach…

http://dougheckman.com/immigration-reform-requires-pragmatism-not-more-extremism/

“It is false to call a path to citizenship for undocumented workers that includes a large fine: ‘amnesty’. It is also false to expect that we will ever locate and round up millions of illegal workers and ship them back to their home country. Extreme politics are preventing any meaningful action on this important issue. Why take a hardened position that you have no plan to enact? Our country cannot afford any more political grandstanding. If you say you will not consider any path to citizenship for illegal workers under any circumstances then you better have a plan for how you intend to locate and ship back millions of people and a cost estimate for doing so.”

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Nice Guy:

Time for Mr. Polygraph !

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jm@3:35, If that amount or even a lessor amount provides adequate security, I’m for it. Surely waste does exist in the DOD and therefore their budget requires close review. Having said that the federal governments top priority is this nations security. Some strangely don’t see it that way.

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We need a STANDING Army so you’re able to publicly ask that question.

Who is going to attack a nation where everyone owns 3+ guns? The Canadians? The Russians? The Dutch? The Chinese? Maybe the People’s Liberation Front of Judea?

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Southern Comfort

October 26th, 2010
3:38 pm

Yeah, the bad economy has done what INS and Congress weren’t willing. You’d think the GOP would give Obama a little credit for the slight improvement, but there’s still a long way to go.

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Del 3:42 – yeah. By the way, DOD would have a coronary if told their budget was $200 B. But we could provide for the defense of our country for that amount.

Police the world? No.

Prepare for war with China? No. But I think we could always ramp up ala WW2 if we had to.

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TnG

I can only speak from what I see, and the general public is pretty much clueless when it comes to immigration. I know people throw around numbers and statistics, but I could do the same thing if I had an agenda that I wanted to push. If people don’t want Mexicans, or any other nationalities, coming here illegally, don’t say you’re going to invest in their country and fu*k them over at the same time. Point blank!!

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FYI, some interesting info on the “poll tax” at the link below. Apparently in most countries, it’s just considered similar to a “per head” tax. Obviously “regressive” in nature. But one form of taxation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax

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Jay…
you are so desperate to try and pin the tail on the donkey…
The next stupid thing you are going to say on this is it was Rand Paul himself in a disguise that accosted the protester….give it up you are just looking real sad…have some dignity.

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“GOP pushing Latinos into Democratic arms”…yeah, the same way the GOP pushed blacks into voting for Obama.

News flash: they were already there, no pushing needed.

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Finn@3:43, you haven’t just awakened from a ten year coma have you?

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Southern Comfort

October 26th, 2010
3:47 pm

They’re here because Congress and several administrations looked the other way. Most of them are on expired visas and would have been fairly easy to track down. Once you get to know them it really doesn’t matter if they’re legal or not. They’re just workers trying to provide for their families.

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Normal

That is interesting. However, I don’t see it as likely.

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SoCo 3:57 – I agree.

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Agree with every word of the political ad. Someone, SOMEONE, has to stop this chaos and enforce our laws, political votes be damned!!! I am surprised that Bookman would run a thread like this. No, not so surprised after all.

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jm

October 26th, 2010
4:05 pm

I love the concept, but we simply can’t afford it any more. And how much of it goes for beer and cigarettes? I know, I know, those products are a big part of our economy. And they keep the medical care industry thriving.

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To the radical ideologue, there is strictly speaking no tomorrow. There’s only the singular goal of grabbing power today, for you can only really shape tomorrow by getting your hands on the levers on the hands of power, so the devil take timid calculations about ‘tomorrow’ – or so goes the radical ideologue’s thinking. And make no mistake, the so-called Tea Party is but a front for these radical elements who desperately need to consolidate their hold on power, to keep their stranglehold on power at precisely the moment that global capitalism has entered its most severe crisis. Believe me, they don’t give a damn about something so trivial as what a measly little electoral bloc thinks of them. By the time that has time to matter – so the thinking goes – the damage will be done. They can deal with getting these parties on board when they come to that bridge.

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Interestingly a lot of Latino immigrants who came here legally are also very offended by the illegal immigrant flow. But Bookman has probably never associated with a legal Latino immigrant, he only cares about protecting lawbreakers and failures, not successes.

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Jimmy62: “But Bookman has probably never associated with a legal Latino immigrant, he only cares about protecting lawbreakers and failures, not successes.”

Do you realize that with words like these you throw your little lot in with lawbreakers of the most voracious and rapacious type? Do you realize? Something tells me you wouldn’t dream of it.

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TnG

You don’t have to think too hard when Warren Buffet claims his secretary has a larger tax burden than he does. Even better, how else would Deal end up with an effective tax rate of 3% (I think that was the percentage reported).

Just do away with all the gimmicks, and make people pay their dues for being able to live, play and work in the USA.

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Google News is running a thread which calls this ad racist and compares it to Willy Horton. Tell me one single thing in this ad that is either racist or compares with a jailed criminal, sent to prison for armed robbery and released on weekend furlough to rob and rape again. When does political correctness become the law of the land? Are we so stupid and disconnected that we can’t see the forest for the trees? Bookman, you are way out on the fringe with this one, my friend, with little to no hope of redemption. And you call this journalism. I have another word for it but…….

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The only hispanic demographic that votes republican are the Cubans,

You might want to tell them that….

Obama won the five boroughs of New York City by 59%: a 4 to 1 margin. He won Cook County (Chicago) by 53%, with more than three-fourths of the vote. In contrast, Obama took 58% of Miami-Dade county – less than the amount by which he won New York City. The 2008 Democratic performance in Miami is comparable to their performance in cities such as Dallas (57% of the vote) and Sacramento (58% of the vote).

Much of this is due to the Cuban vote, the city’s largest demographic group. Refugees from Castro’s Cuba, staunchly anti-Communist, and faithful Republicans ever since the Bay of Pigs fiasco; Cubans vote as strongly Republican as Jews vote Democratic. In 2000, George W. Bush won about four out of five Cubans, helped by Cuban anger over Al Gore’s role in the Elian Gonzalez affair. In 2008 Obama won around 35% of their vote, based on exit polls. This was the best performance of a Democrat with Cubans in recent memory.

Also…

It suggests that Mr. Obama has become a catalyst for openness, accelerating a political shift here that first became visible after the furor in 2000 over whether to send a young Cuban rafter, Elián González, back to his father on the island. Indeed, despite this community’s reputation for loyalty to Republicans, the poll found widespread approval for Mr. Obama: 64 percent supported his new policies on travel and money sent to relatives. An even larger majority, 67 percent, said they had a favorable or somewhat favorable opinion of Mr. Obama, the highest rating among Cuban-Americans for a president in a Bendixen poll since Ronald Reagan in the mid-’80s.

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JohnnyReb

October 26th, 2010
4:28 pm
Off Subject – here’s a red meat story for you. Progressives and Obama supporters, please watch this and then defend it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/fiercefreeleancer

JohnnyReb, you do realize that IndyMac was seized on July 12, 2008 when Duhbya was still “The Decider” and sold in March 2009 under Bush Admin rules….don’t you?

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Jay’s comment also make more cynicall about the reason Dems are so pro-illegal. It makes it obvious this about hoping to buy loyality.

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Oh and JohnnyReb, the deal to sell IndyMac was inked to IMB HoldCo inked on December 31, 2008, again while Dubya was still “Deciding”. So in answer to your question, I see no defense, how about you?

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Jay, I have been asking this question on other blogs but no one will give me an answer. Are there any other countries that have as many illegal aliens inside their borders as us? If so, who are they? If not then either they know something we don’t or we know something they don’t. Which do you think is the most likely?

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JDW and Southern Comfort

JDW, you make a good point on who was the deciding POTUS. It stinks, even if it was Bush, which it looks like it was.

Southern Comfort, agreed on the good old boys club scenario. No way that arrangement can be defended. It’s more raping of the taxpayers.

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The lengths these criminal coddling neo-cons will go to defend that piece of Kentucky trash is amazing.

Well played gentlemen…

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One or two more off subject comments about the housing mess. Obviously, I did not look at the calendar when I challenged Progressives to defend the info in the Indybank video. The word Soros spooled me right up, it had to be a Democratic plot. That’s my mistake which JDW pointed out to my embarrassment. Regardless, its one more example of Big Government making purchases and arrangements that are not in the best interest of tax payers.

Lastly, I brought this up before but no one commented. The Heritage Foundation, whether you like them or not they are reliable with at least the root of a story, is reporting that Obama will ask for $154 billion more for Fannie and Freddie after the elections. That leads me to believe we have not yet bottomed out with the housing mess.

Now back to Illegal Immigration and how the Dems are digging their own grave over the issue, or something like that.

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Jay

October 26th, 2010
3:24 pm

“For those who surmised the Rand Paul incident might have been orchestrated, it would appear not, since the Paul campaign acknowledges the “stomper” was a Rand volunteer:”

If and until charges are filed,

then it was a “Gulf of Paduca ‘ type operation. A false flag. A democrat Standard op.

There is no way in hades that a MoveOn “contract employee” could resist a lawsuit. Except maybe for the fact that she is a felon and she doesn’t want to file charges against her cohort.

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Tea Party. Good for the Republican Party.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44140.html

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Unfrigginbelievable.

The Rand campaign acknowledges that the stomping POS was one of their own.

And STILL the thug-loving cons here spin like…

http://www.fameartist.com/Graphics/Pavlova%20as%20dying%20swan%202%20photo.jpg

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Scenario….

Border violence continues to escalate and more Americans are killed on the border. Mexican drug gangs continue to dominate the border for up to 40miles from the line throughout Arizona and New Mexico and beginning in Texas. Bozo does nothing to protect American citizens. Drug gangs become more embolden and cross the border with more frequency, robbing, killing and kidnapping more Americans. Bozo does nothing. American citizens become more fed up with this clown than they already are (if that’s possible) and take the law into their own hands shooting and killing invading Mexicans. The conflict escalates. Bozo does nothing. These same Americans are arrested by Federal Law enforcement for murder of those poor unfortunate latinos who are just trying to make a better life for them and their families. Political correctness becomes the mantra of the day and those evil Americans who are trying to protect their security are painted by the press and by Bozo as uncaring, callous and vicious. Bozo does nothing.

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Okay, for what it is worth, I will admit that I was wrong. Something Jay seldom if ever does. (it wasn’t a head STOMP though.)

From the AP————————————————-

LEXINGTON, Ky. — A volunteer with Rand Paul’s Republican U.S. Senate campaign apologized Tuesday for stepping on the head of a liberal activist who tried to confront the tea party candidate with a fake award.

Paul supporter Tim Profitt said video of the scuffle made it appear worse than it was and he chided police for not stepping in. Lauren Valle, the 23-year-old activist with the group MoveOn.org, said her face was swollen and her neck and shoulder were sore after she was wrestled to the ground by Paul supporters Monday night when she tried to give the candidate an “employee of the month” award.

Valle was roughed up before the debate between Paul and Democrat Jack Conway. The race is one of the most closely watched and hotly contested in the midterm elections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMpXAknykeg

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Until you remove money from elections, nothing will change, just get worse.

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Remind me again who its been that’s been demonizing “foreigners and their influence” 24/7 for the last month or so?

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Tn Gelding

“Forfeit our heritage” ….now that is funny as we were founded by ILLEGALS!!!

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and how would you go about doing that?

Full public financing of campaigns. Give a candidate a set amount based on the office they’re running for. Give equal but limited air time on NPR and Public TV. That forces a candidate to budget time and money to get their message out. Outlaw any and all outside campaigning. Make the candidate earn a vote as opposed to paying for it. If they can’t budget money or time in a campaign, what makes you think that will change if they get elected?

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SoCo- take (most of) the money away from government, and there won’t be any need to try to influence and meddle with government and or elections. No money in government hands, no corruption. Simple.

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“Full public financing of campaigns”

that is not “taking the money out of campaigns” though. I want to hear from Jefferson how to REMOVE money from campaigns.

Personally, I’d allow any and all contributions – but EVERY contributor would have to be published on the internet for all to see, even if all they give is 50 cents. Anonymous contributions would have to be sent right back out as contributions to a charity. AND I would limit the campaigning to exactly 30 days before the election.

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“35% of our male prisons are filled with illegal latinos”

“And Bozo does nothing”

Seems to me there’s just a tad bit of contradiction here.

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In Obama interview on Univision, he said:

“If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,’ if they don’t see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it’s gonna be harder and that’s why I think it’s so important that people focus on voting on November 2.”

PUNISH our ENEMIES!!!???!!!

Do we really need THIS kind of heated rhetoric coming from our PRESIDENT?

I should THINK not.

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Off topic but who cares…..Charlie Sheen trashes his hotel room and taken to hospital (again). Chuck, we all like to party brother, but this is getting a little embarassing.

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Doggone,

It is time to reward Bozo? He won’t even back an ID check for a suspected illegal in Arizona. There’s no contradiction here. That 35% should not even be inhabiting our prisons. They should not even be here…. period. Think about how much that Mexican criminals are costing, you, the taxpayer. It’s a non issue.

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kayaker

I’m living in the REAL world. I’ve got many friends who are in TX, AZ and CA in those 40 mile areas that you’re talking about. They are risking their lives so that ranchers and farmers do not. So don’t feed me that sanctimonious bullsh*t that Obama isn’t doing anything. Border Patrol has openings that they can’t fill. We’ve sent people from Atlanta to augment personnel on the border. You need to get out of the fantasy world you’re living in. If you feel so strongly about border security, here’s a link for you. BP is ready when you are!!!

Do you want to go to Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, or California? If you’re worried about pay, here’s some infor for you:

Vacancy Ann #:BPA 11-1
Who May Apply:Public
Pay Plan:GL-1896/05-09
Appointment Term:Permanent
Job Status:Full-Time
Opening Date:10/01/2010
Salary Range:From $38,619.00 to $63,259.00 USD per year

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Kayaker,

The far out libs think that we really don’t have any problems. The drug cartels are well contained on the Mexican side of the border and we don’t have any crime spill over. Why we should just open up our borders and our arms to illegal immigrants. They aren’t a burden on our economy. Also, if we would just be kind to Islamic jihadists they wouldn’t harm us, so when they do it’s our fault. Now if you don’t accept all of that, you’re living in fear and you should really try to live in subjectivity rather than objectivity.

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Southern Comfort:

Do you own any stock in a particular company and if so how many shares ?

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Del,

Seriously, when have you ever heard anyone say they think or believe that nonsense? You know, you could just ask people what they think instead of spouting what YOU think they think — once again, erroneously so. Because I have never heard anyone say such nonsense, except you of course.

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“Seriously, when have you ever heard anyone say they think or believe that nonsense?”

Bosch – give him a break, his crystal ball is cracked and give faulty readings.

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Jay – reminder to people of all political persuasions (whether they pay taxes or not ) to go vote this coming next Tuesday. As if anyone on this board would possibly, ever, ever forget…..

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Doggone/GA:

I have a feeling that Del has done more for his country with his little finger than you and Bosch ever thought about. How about showing some respect.

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“Is that why there are two border patrolmen presently occupying US prisons for doing their job?”

That George W. wouldn’t even allow a pardon? Flat out refused.

Sorry kayaker to bust your bubble, but Obama has done more to combat the problem than W ever did, weird considering he was from Texas and all.

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Ha..Ha..Ha……………………..

After reading this I can imagine El Pigboy Rush, Crocodile tears Beck, sex pervert O’Reilly, and the entire ship of fools over at Fox, and the other right wing nutjobs gnashing their teeth.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/39849537/ns/today-entertainment/

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Scout,

Why bring me into this? You have no idea what I’ve done in my life and if you think the only way to serve your country is to be in the military, then you are sorely mistaken.

Respect is earned, you’d be wise to understand that. Jinoistic bigots do not get my respect.

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Make that” jingoistic bigots.”

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By the way. Whatever happened to the tea party being “astro turf”? I think that myth has been debunked.

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Bosch,

Sheriff Joe would not even be in the mix of Washington was doing their job. Compare what it costs to keep illegals in this country, both in and out of prisons, for the American taxpayer. We are shouldering a huge burden for a mandate that the states should not be burdened with. It is an unfunded mandate because our Federal Government will not do their job. California’s 19B state deficit is astounding. Think how much of that comes from funding entitlement programs for illegals. And Bookman is worried about how politically correct some ad is in the Nevada election. Perhaps he should focus his wrath on something more important.

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What are you Walmart Republicans defending the billionaires buying elections for? You think they care? You think you’ll get invited to the yacht club next weekend?

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@ Saywhat: Nicely done.

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Jay, I think you failed in your blog. The fault is yours. You COULD have made a stirring argument but you didn’t. I’ll give you a pass in that your dad is sick. (Just damn, I shouldn’t have said that, Jeff Schultz got his panties in a wad and banned me from HIS blog for a similar comment. Give me a pass on that one bro although I don’t know how it can be in “poor taste.”)

You briefly mentioned that many Hispanics would vote Republican because they hols the same ‘values” but you didn’t ’splain it. I don’t need it ’slained because I know it to be true, but many people don’t. You had a good thought, but you didn’t follow up on it. Bad job on your part lol. I designate this particular column as a PHAIL.

i’m not even gonna read the comments others posted. I think if you supplied me a list of user names, I could write them myself and be totally accurate on what they actually said………..

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I’m glad you are glad, but voting and influencing elections should be done by voters, otherwise nothing will change.

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kayaker,

If you actually looked at the facts instead of listening to Rush (after switching to decaf of course) you’d find that your theories are a little exaggerated. Not to say they aren’t real, but it’s apparent your hate for the President has blinded your judgment.

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kayaker

As I said earlier, Border Patrol is ready when you are. If you don’t think we’re doing our job, come give it a shot yourself. I left you a link earlier. Otherwise, just hush and let grown people do their work.

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jm, the taxes are to pay for their keep.

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I want to know why Obama has done nothing to seal off the border from above. I mean, those aliens could just drop in from anywhere. We need a bigger bubble to live in. The one we got now will just barely hold the Republicans. Don’t they care about the rest of us!

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I don’t know about John Stewart being the most influential man. Funny? Without a doubt, but influencial?

I found this to be interesting.

U.S. President Barack Obama fell to 21st place from the top five last year.

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Maybe he wasn’t as influential as people tried to make him. It’s obvious he had little influence to begin with over his own party based on the legislation that came out of Congress. So it could be that the GOP is now realizing it as well and his numbers are dropping.

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Southern Comfort,

A show of military might on the border at the most challenged portions is just a start. You might remember that our National Guard is armed with the latest in military hardware and is prepared to use it if our Supreme Leader would give the OK. But under Bozo, there would probably be a lot of standing around, wondering what they were doing there and questioning their mission. There would be restrictions on what they could do…. they would probably be tasked to take bottled water to those in need….. maybe help those who are misunderstood….. maybe they could open a job placement center on the border and save those illegals some time and effort in taking American jobs. Then Janet Napp could hoot and holler about how good a job we are doing. It ain’t working, Southern Comfort, plain and simple. What would you do about the problem?

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jm – Stop taxing corporations and I’m all in.

How sweet of you to defend those helpless corporations. Your invitation to the yacht club will be, er ..mailed…um, yeah its in the mail.

Re-imburse the American govt for each job they shipped overseas and its economic impact, along with the tax break for doing so, plus the back taxes on income from offshore tax shelters, at a commensurate tax rate that ordinary people pay, and we’might discuss your corp tax rate.

See, that AM radio talking point doesn’t sound so good now, does it?

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Jay, if we have a 2,000 mile border seperating us from a poor country, our leaders should have long since taken measures to protect us from a flood of illegal immigrants. Obviously, they did not and have not. So, what do we do now with all these millions of illegals here now and how can we stop any more from coming here? Our resources, like those of all countries, are finite and we cannot continue to accept an endless number of illegal immigrants. Why is this so hard for some to understand?

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Scout,

Thank you for the fire suppression in my absence. Those two never have much anyway.

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“how can we stop any more from coming here?”

Target the people who HIRE them.

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I keep wondering why we think that effectiveness and intellegence can be settled in some sort of wierd civil popularity contest. I don’t necessarily vote for a politician to do what I want, I vote for him in the hopes that he will try to figure out what’s best for the country and do that. Hwether Obama is ranked Numero Uno or thiry-eleventh doesn’t make a bit of difference about whether his ideas and policies are the appropriate ones to be followed now. That’s where the debate should be; not about poll numbers.

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kayaker

If I didn’t think you posted that 6:24 as a joke, I’d really be worried about you. However I know you were serious. Unless Mexico is invading the US, military show of strength on the border will accomplish nothing. How many people would you have to physically put on a border almost 2000 miles in length to make a show of force actually look like a force? Do you think the American taxpayer is willing to pay the amount of money it would take to put enough people and equipment on the border to do as your plan would require?

I honestly wish everyone could go spend a week or two with BP Agents or CBP Officers on the border. That way they will have a realistic view of what their job is and how they are doing their job. There’s times when there is only one or two BPA’s trying to round up groups of 20 or more. They go into those situations not knowing whether it’s a group of illegals coming to work or if it’s armed drug smugglers. You should be thankful that there are people who willingly put their lives on the line to do something above and beyond complaining on a blog about what’s being done.\

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Kamchak:

You’re nothing more than a stooge for Mr. Bookman’s columns. Either you’re unemployed or retired or worse.

“Evry’thing’s free in America….” Lyric from West Side Story

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Southern Comfort:

The point I was trying to make if you owned stock is that there comes a time each year to vote (in person or by proxy). Most often the amount of stock you own determines the weight of your vote.

I would have NO PROBLEM giving every citizen of the U.S. one vote for federal elections including a weighted vote based on your tax returns with a maximum of three full votes. Computers could do that quite easily.

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As far as what I would do to combat illegal immigration?

#1 I would sell hardware to the Mexican government so they could effectively fight and defeat the drug cartels.

#2 I would involve the business community who already have plants and operate in Mexico to help them develop their economy to the point that they have no need to come here to work for $5-$7 an hour.

#3 I would also involve the governments and businesses of other Central American countries to work on their economies and countries. Contrary to popular opinion, not all brown skinned border crossers are Mexican. There are Hondurans, Guatamalans, Salvadorian, etc… who travel THRU Mexico to come to the US.

Any solution to illegal immigration, regardless to what country or continent you’re talking about, has to involve economic solutions or else they will fail. People don’t come to live in the US just because the leaves are pretty in the fall or gas is relatively cheap. They come here to work.

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Southern Comfort,

The people who are invading our borders are not scared enough. They know nothing will happen to them. They can try to cross with impunity. All of the border agents in the world will not fix the problem if they are not given the authority to keep them from crossing and make the consequences more important than the deed. They will push the envelope until we get tough. Try shooting some of them. Give them a message. Unless you make them scared enough, thousands more will be here every month and nothing is solved. This is a national security issue which is costing the taxpayer billions of dollars/yr. And no one is doing anything about it.

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Scout

Why would you weigh their vote based on their tax return? Is one person more of a citizen because he earns more and pay more taxes? or are you trying to get cheats to pay their fair share in taxes because it would give them more votes? Either way, I’m a one citizen, one vote person. I don’t care if you’re a felon or not. Just because you’re a felon doesn’t automatically disquallify you from being a citizen. I understand the need for punishment for crimes, however, once you’ve done your time and paid the price, you should be able to actively participate in society.

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Tall:

Don’t mess with Kamchak unless you are prepared to go all ten rounds. He/She/It can be nasty.

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This is a national security issue which is costing the taxpayer billions of dollars/yr. And no one is doing anything about it.

You wanna know the truth about border security and national security? Actual terrorist have been caught trying to enter the US thru the Northern Border. Canada’s asylum laws are even more lax than the United States. Terrorist cells have been tracked near the border in Canada in places like Toronto. The Southern Border does not worry me at all when compared to the Northern Border. Even scarier is that the same people who harp on the South have no clue as to what’s to the North.

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Doggone/GA:

Then the “masses” would have NO vote. I’m not saying that.

All I’m saying is that those who contribute more to the budget of this government should have more of a say. And when all is said and done I might have a 1.4 vote and you a 2.3. I am fine with that.

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Souther Comfort:

You wouldn’t be “more” of a citizen anymore than you would be “more” of a stockholder. A stockholder is a stockholder. One just has more of a vote than the other.

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Scout….Seriously you need to report post haste to the VA hospital, jump on the elevator, push 8th floor, and when you arrive, there will a very soothing nurse who will steer you to your new quarters.

Revisiting what transpired 40 years ago over and over again is a sure sign that some counseling, and therapy is required.

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If you’re giving a person more of a vote than someone else, then I believe that you are saying that one person is more of a citizen than another. If you’re equating citizenship with being a stockholder, then you’re saying that I can basically buy myself to be citizen #1. That’s contrary to E Pluribus Unum. Would you say one person is more of a Marine based on their sniper skills or the number of “kills” they achieve in combat?

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“which is costing the taxpayer billions of dollars/yr. And no one is doing anything about it.which is costing the taxpayer billions of dollars/yr. And no one is doing anything about it.”

Remember the billions that the American consumer have gained off the backs of illegal immigrants as well. People who complain about them and call them terrorists are hypocrites because we have all benefited from their work.

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I tell ya what, let’s go ahead and declare war on Mexico again and take another half of their territory and incorporate it in Uncle Sam’s Empire…

As for that ad, tacky, tacky, tacky and truly hate-mongering…and the actors? Citizens, green card holders or illegals? Union or non Union…inquiring minds want to know…

And, Jay, I’m not saying you shouldn’t, but you putting up more and more of these threads highlighting the illegal alien question is, in its own way, playing the same game…

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popeye:

“Revisiting what transpired 40 years ago over and over again is a sure sign that some counseling, and therapy is required.”

…………………. or …………….. it’s a good way to help make sure it never happens again which this time might even include you son or daugher.

You know the quote but you get it anyway:

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

I promised that to the ones I left behind and I will do my best until by last breath. So, as the D.I.’s used to say, “Suck it up maggot”.

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Southern Comfort @ 7:05

I think you are into “apples and oranges” now but the answere is not more of a Marine but due to your efforts you would probably make rank faster and/or higher and therefore your opinion would in fact count more.

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So Co,

How about a few pesky statistics to support anti-illegals…..

Less than 2% of all illegals are working in agriculture but 41% are on welfare.
Over 43% of all unemployment checks in the state of CA go go Illegals
Nearly 43% of all food stamps go to illegals
33% of the prison population is illegals costing us 1.6B annually
58% of all welfare payments go to illegals
83% of all warrants for murder in Phoenix go to illegals
95% of all warrants for murder in LA go to illegals
86% of all warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for Illegals
More than 300K anchor babies were born in the US in 2005. 97.2% of the cost went to the American taxpayer. More than 66% of all births in CA are illegal Mexican immigrants.

If you think that this is sanctimonious BS, I pray for your soul.

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Mr B

These “official language” proponents would be surprised to find that until the hysteria of late, only two places had anything resembling “official” languages, New Mexico (Spanish and English) and Louisiana (French and English). Those guarantees were secured in the treaties incorporating the territories into the United States in order to protect the language and culture of the ESTABLISHED populations. There was the fear that these populations would leave and disrupt the infrastructure of the regions.

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How’s this for a serious solution to the immigration “problem” if you want to call it that. Make it very simple to get into the US legally. Minimal financial requirement, easy visa documentation, clean criminal record required, not much else. You get a five year visa, after that you have to go home or apply for citizenship. while your here, you pay income tax,SSI, Medicare etc, but you’re not entitled to anything but education for the kiddies. We get the labor, they get the jobs, and we get to know who’s here and where they are.

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All I’m saying is that those who contribute more to the budget of this government should have more of a say

Scout, I don’t agree because I think that those who contribute more (the wealthy) also get more in services/infrastructure. I don’t have time to back that up right now but I believe that is the case.

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Mr._B:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y

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Scout,

I like the progressive weighted vote. Novel idea…would that make us progressives? BTW…popeye seems to be quite familiar with the mental health facilities at the VA, perhaps that explains his fondness for the wet cool weather in the pacific Northwest in contrast to the warm and mostly sunny Southeast.

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Don’t Forget

Agree to disagree.

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Don’t Forget & Southern Comfort :

It already happens somewhat. Rhode Island citizens get more clout than Californians ………. as both have two senators.

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Mr. B

As a lover of my mother tongue English, as well as my Louisiana French, in all their magnificent dialect glory, my question is always “which English? Appalachian, New England, Southern British, East Indian, Irish, Scots, South African, Caribbean…? oh, that’s right, that bland, colorless and quasi-literate miscreant, media English!…

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One citizen, one vote!

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Doggone,

Nothing but penis envy. “Money in the pockets of their lessors”, whatever that means. Take from one person and give it to another. The old story continues.

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“Nothing but penis envy”

Keep it clean. Keep it clean.

” “Money in the pockets of their lessors”, whatever that means. ”

A “weighted” vote means there are greater voters and lesser voters. It can’t mean anything else. I’m just saying it would be a WHOLE lot easier to just let people sell their votes. Much easier law to change, and no one would have to keep track of how much someone is worth. That would work out easily in how much they can afford to spend to buy votes.

Easy.

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Doggone/GA :

Hummm ……………… “Cap and Trade” voting? You may be on to something.

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Lil’ Barry
@ 7:43

Learn something new every day!

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Doggone,

So do you buy Bozo’s creed of “how much do you need to earn?” One vote, one citizen over 18 yrs of age. It’s the American way. How do you think that Bozo got elected? It certainly was all George Soros and Bill Gates. He fooled at least 52% of the electorate and ran a hot shot campaign. But a lot of us are seeing right through the lies, deception and Chicago gangsterism. Only 6 more days. Then we will see what the electorate thinks of this inept, hopelessly over his head, sorry excuse for a President. Neutered in 6 days, done away with in 2012.

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“creed of “how much do you need to earn?” ”

I supported Hillary Clinton, not Obama.

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As for the topic du jour, the GOP keeps painting itself into a whiter and whiter corner.

Watch any national GOP convention and it looks like a Billy Graham revival from the 1950s…

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Scout,
I also disagree with the “weighted vote” because there are issues other than budgetary. If we base the vote on degree of taxation you end up extending that inequality to issues such as rights and other non-budgetary policies. Take the election of judges for example. Should a higher tax bill warrant a greater say in who occupies an important position in the justice system??? I don’t say no, I say hell no!!

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josef, would you ever consider emigrating to Israel?

Personally, I’m not sure I’m that much of a Zionist…

Though I always loved this Marley tune. Dig the killer horns in it…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nga_AAnQNio

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AmVet
@ 7:50

True, but then they keep on voting in Native American Indians, Indian Americans, Latinos, Asians, African Americans, women by the quire, and the Log Cabin Republicans took on DADT successfully…it just keeps getting wierder and wieder…

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I see the compassionate conservatives are still whining about how big bad Obama has done them wrong but they gonna fix that come election day.

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kayaker

If the US put as much effort into nation building next door as we did across the world, do you think we would have an immigration issue from south of the border?

If you have an infestation problem, do you board up your house to try to fight it? or do you take away any and all sources of food to drive them away? If you want to do away with the problem, you have to deal with the source. It’s the economy…

If you go after the people who hire illegals here, you take away a money source. If you help their own government to provide work and a means of support at home, you take away incentive for them to risk their lives to come here. If you focus on the totality of immigration as opposed to one segment, you may actually achieve progress on stemming the flow of illegal immigrants.

You still haven’t said a peep about the North? That makes me really wonder if you’re as serious about national security as you say you are. That’s approximately 5000 miles of border there with fewer resources.

More than 300K anchor babies were born in the US in 2005. 97.2% of the cost went to the American taxpayer.

Anchor babies, no matter what label you try to apply to them, are US citizens. If they don’t have an incentive to come here to work for $5 an hour, they would not be here to have babies.

More than 66% of all births in CA are illegal Mexican immigrants.

Not according to the law. Unless those born are the children of diplomats or others excluded from obtaining citizenship by law, 100% of all births in CA are US Citizens. Call it Jus Soli.

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SoCo

Well done ….all relevant info for any Big Mouth who wants to apply!!

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10 or 15 years from now we will be totally broke.

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TRUE Republican POTUS candidates?

For the comedic factor alone, let’s just hope it is as ludicrous as that last slate was…

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AmVet

Billy Graham Crusades

“World-famous Billy Graham evangelist Billy Graham has held four crusades in Georgia—one in Augusta, in 1948, and three in Atlanta, in 1950, 1973, and 1994. Each of these large revivals drew thousands of people from across the South.

In 1966 Graham contacted local officials and clergymen in Americus to solicit their help in organizing an evangelistic outreach program for the city. Community members objected to Graham’s stipulation that the meetings be integrated, however, and none stepped forward to sponsor the program. Graham was prepared to cancel his plans when Jimmy Carter, then a state senator, volunteered to help. Because local churches refused to allow an integrated film screening, Carter arranged to host the program in the basement of an abandoned school building.
Carter and Graham According to Graham, Carter later reported that no less than 565 people attended the film screening.

In 1973 Graham returned to Atlanta for a six-night crusade at Atlanta–Fulton County Stadium, which drew nightly audiences of between 35,000 and 44,000 people. The civil rights leaders Ralph Abernathy and Hosea Williams urged blacks to boycott the Graham crusade, and picketers, charging Graham with racism because of his refusal to affirm the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1972 banning of the death penalty, protested at the stadium. But the Reverend Martin Luther King Sr. sat on the platform with Graham and led a prayer one night.”

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AmVet
@ 7:54

Nice Marley cut! Thanks!

I do keep it in the back of my mind and as an option just in case. Generally in economic hard times it’s MOTs who bear the brunt…seems we’ve got Messicans taking the heat off…but you never know. I love America and I love the South. Both have been good places to be in the Diaspora. But then so were Spain, Germany, Hungary, Holland, Greece, Italy and some other places and, out of the blue and overnight…I’m a lukewarm zionist myself, Unmentionable (being an Indian) is a die hard and we have had a number of heated discussions on the matter…his refrain when things get too bad is always, “I’m going to plant trees on a kibbutz in Eretz Israel.”

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Paulo

I can’t claim to be an expert in many things, but I’ve been elbows deep in immigration for over 3 years solid.

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I’ve got my popcorn and soda sitting ready. I’m watching to see who it works out to be the final, one and only ,really really, TRUE “Republican”

Great idea for the small screen.

Roll it out for the 2012 Presidential election in a Survivor format.

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Scout

Forgive me if I veer into apples to oranges comparisons. However, I see the vote as a fundamental job for each and every citizen. That is what makes us who we are.

Life isn’t fair or equal and it shouldn’t be. Achievers rise above slackers. However, when it comes to the ballot box, I don’t think any one person’s voice should be any louder than the next.

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AmVet
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Ooooh! Watch you language!

Seriously, though, the Dems have created a problem with this constituency and who knows what will happen at the polls, but the checkbook has been put in the lock box for the time being…Blanch du Bois ain’t buying it,,,

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I’m 100% in agreement with jconservative on the immigration issue. Having grown up in their midst (California) there’s no way one can ignore the values inherent within the Latino community.

Having said that, I have friends who are leaving California for, among other reasons, the heavy burdens illegal migrants have put on the state’s economy. They feel like they’ve been overwhelmed. It’s nothing personal against Latinos….some of them ARE Latinos….immigrants from other countries too. They no longer see California as a viable option.

It’s sad. They’ve lived there for as long as I can remember.

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josef, it is no secret that I am completely in love with America. And always have been. And I consider myself one of the luckiest people alive simply for having been born here. (And not in 1939 Germany.)

She has given me everything. And I have enjoyed her boundless bounty and beauty. And though at times, I have been exasperated at our government and capitalist system, I still adhere to the belief that it is the greatest and most noble experiment in human history.

With that said, I am not certain that I want to die here. Sometimes distant lands call to me and I would entertain the thought of emigrating elsewhere. But I must confess, Israel is nowhere near the top of the list…

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FRED

What you were saying about the lengths and sacrifices illegals go to to get here…so true, My Yankee Republican brother-in-law puts it “Mexico’s loss is our gain.”

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Amvet: Delta is ready when you are. I have zero tolerance for hyphenated Americans or people that want to be somewhere else. If you want to BE somewhere else, might I most respectfully suggest that you GO somewhere else.

We are a free Countyr here. You are free to leave. If you wish, I’ll send you a couple of bucks to help you on your way. I couldn’t stand the thought of someone being here that didn’t want to be here and couldn’t leave………

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Am Vet

That Marley was irie …thanks

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AmVet – “She has given me everything.”

Your problem is that you like to bash everything that made “given me everything” possible. I know you are aware of this fact, but you allow your hate filled heart to cloud your thinking much too often.

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Do you think it is fair to grant citizenship to those who enter our country illegally?

No. What’s the purpose of having an immigration process if you’re going to do that?

Do you think that illegals should be granted US citizenship for their children born here?

I have not heard of any illegal who got citizenship just because they had a child born here. The child is a US citizen if they meet the requirements of the 14th Amendment. As long as they are under the jurisdiction of the US, then they are citizens.

Do you think that the crossing of our borders by illegals is something that we should be upset about?

If that anger is directed at all illegals, then yes. To try to put the entire problem on one segment or group is inaccurate and wrong. You should be just as upset that ALL nationalities are not causing people to get angry.

Do you feel that America is paying too much for this crowd of felons and what should we do about the problem?

No, the number of US citizens and legal residents who are incarcerated far outweigh the total number of illegal aliens locked up here in the US. I think we’re paying too much for locking up the wrong people, period. As far as the problem, deport those who are headed to lock-up. Some people, by law, are entitled to a hearing before an immigration judge. Give them their hearing to plead their case. If it doesn’t meet the burden of law, then remove them.

Most of the illegal immigration coming from Canada is not due to Laninos, but to mules that help Pakistanis, Arabs, and other Middle Eastern people at 35K/per pop.

So, you know there’s a problem on the northern border. The last time I checked, there were not many in Central America who were intent on jihad against the US. Yet, you think if Canada was all we had to worry about we could rest easy.

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I hear that some retired US citizens actually have their social security checks mailed to them down in South America. I suppose that little bit of hard-earned money has more buying power down there.

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Yeah, josef, those roots run REAL deep. And mine stretch all across this land.

To the utter dismay of the piously outraged Fred, I am going to look closely at Panama…

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Why two sets Del? Didn’t get it right the first time? blood wings are kind of stupid, but I played that game too with a couple of jarheads who went through jump school with me. No one figured it was worth anything though when I jumped at 30,000. blood wings were not really an issue then.

Semper F and all that.

Just out of curiousity? Can the phrase once a Marine always a Marine be transposed to “Once a brainless automon who can’t think for themselves always brainless automon who can’t think for themselves?

You know, brute force and ignorance and all that………

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“The inbred blue bloods stayed in Europe where they could oppress those too weak to leave. It’s really quite simple”

I once, years ago, had a discussion with a fellow dog enthusiast from Denmark. She was saying that she just did not understand why Americans are so difficult to get to pass what she called “civilized” laws and why we were so insistent on going our own way. My reply? When you (meaning Europe) drives most of the non-comformists to another continent, you can hardly complain when they end up forming a country of non-comformists.

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Nice Guy

“Hmmmm, nope, don’t think millions of unskilled and uneducated workers coming here, taking jobs and sending their earnings back home is “our gain.””

Think about what you said, ‘millions of unskilled and uneducated workers coming here, taking jobs…”

From our OWN milluons of unskilled and uneducate workers? And whose fault is that?

“…sending their earnings back home…” Well, part of them, for sure but, then, isn’t sacrificing your own selfishy gain to take care of your own the true American way?”

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If Obama would make it cheap and easy for Mexicans to come here during the day and wash compassionate conservative’s dishes and cook their meals and pick their veggies and scrub their toilets and scratch their other itches and then get back to Mexico before nightfall, then maybe they would be all right with the illegal aliens. Obama needs to get busy on that. To start with, he needs to give us all a much bigger tax cut than that last one he gave us so he can afford to pay for whatever it is he has to do to make those compassionate conservatives happy.

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“but my reply would have contained the idea of individulism.”

Oh sure, but non-conformity is embodied in individualism and vice versa

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“then maybe they would be all right with the illegal aliens. ”

Trust me, they’re already “all right” with them…they just don’t want you to know they are hiring them.

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josef – “From our OWN milluons of unskilled and uneducate workers?”

I don’t agree. Cheap labor trumps skill when it comes to digging ditches and laying bricks.

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“There’s your sign”

Oh c’mon Kam, why so quick to discredit?

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Well Amvet, I don’t know about all that, but I have managed to rub enough nickles together so that I can send my child to Woodward Academy. As to that “love it or leave it BS? It’s just that, BS. I never said that. YOU said you weren’t sure you wanted to die here. I didn’t say that. I didn’t misquote you.

I on the otherhand “most respectfully” offered to send you a couple of bucks if financial considerations were the only thing keeping you here. I will stand behind every word I utter that YOU vainly attempt to twist and pervert.

Amvet, that handle suggests that you are an American who is a veteran. One who has either put his life on the line in combat or was willing to do so by joining (or by being drafted and not running). That’s admirable if it’s true. But being in the military is not a precursor for being a Patriot or sacrificing for your Country. Congressman John Lewis was never in the military, but he did more to free more AMERICANS in his march on Selmar Alabama than me, Del, or Scout EVER did with our guns and blood.

Don’t put words in my mouth. You don’t have the depth of either thought or feeling to speak for me or to try to re-arrange my words. Try reading what I TYPE, not what you try to twist it to be. I would appreciate that.

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Oh c’mon Kam, why so quick to discredit?

Boortz is a faux populist douche-bag doing the same shtick for the past +30 years.

I remember a time when the Atlanta airwaves was free of his sh_t.

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Del

October 26th, 2010
8:36 pm

Fred, well if you did Hi/lo’s then you went beyond my humble experience but how much trigger time did you have in the bush. After all that’s where it really counts.
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In which Country and upon what Continent? I have participated in combat ops in over 20 countries on 4 continents.

Does it matter? Are you going to ask me how big my pecker is next or if your dad ever beat mine up?

NEWSFLASH: Viet Nam is OVER. It wasn’t our only nor even close to our WORST war. Quit whining about it already. Combat sucks period. You just do it and move on. Well unless you were in Nam and then you whine for the rest of your life……….

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Doggone/GA

October 26th, 2010
8:44 pm

Do you use a dismounting stool when you need to climb down off that high-horse?
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Nope. I just hop right on off. When it’s true, it’s not a high horse, it’s just truth. False modesty is for the weak and oppressed. The cowards the …………. wow. I ran out of steam there lol.

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Fred,
Don’t care how big or little you’re pecker is as it seem your mouth must exceed what must be you’re limitations. Semper Fi is a term utilized by a very select club…you don’t qualify. Frankly it doesn’t matter to us how many combat jumps you may or may not have made.

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“You don’t have the depth of either thought or feeling to speak for me or to try to re-arrange my words”

“When it’s true, it’s not a high horse”

When it’s opinion, it’s not truth. When it is arrogantly worded, it’s a high-horse.

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Amvet: I think thta says it all in plain English. What needs translated? If you consider yourself a hyphenated American, then that means your allegiance belongs somewhere else, hence the hyphen. This isn’t hard. Same with thinking you need to be somewhere else. If you think you need to BE somewhere else, man up and GO somewhere else.

Why can’t Americans just be Americans? You know, the melting pot and all that………. My daughter is in a youth choir. They had an “international” dinner for a fund raiser. WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?

Come to supper at my house and you might get tacos, (Mexican), Kimchee soup, (Korean) fried rice (Japanese style), Cajun, (God only KNOWS the influence there, french, african, carribean, ect…), Okra, (african) Borscht, (Russian), fish picatta (itallian) the list is endless. Just what in the hell is AMERICAN food? We are a COUNTRY of immigrants.

Used to be we celebrated our similarities and united. Nowadays we want to witch about our differences and divide. That last don’t sound to smart now does it?

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Oh Del, and YOU seem to hold the patent on who is and who is NOT always faithful? Bite me jarhead.

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josef

I’ll make you a deal, I won’t seek to educate you on the inner workings of the APS, and you don’t seek to educate me on the inner workings of the construction biz.

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Peace out folks.

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Doggone/GA

October 26th, 2010
8:57 pm

When it’s opinion, it’s not truth. When it is arrogantly worded, it’s a high-horse.
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Well feel free to jump right in there Sport and point out the lies.

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DB is a bit much…

Nope.

I forgot that asshat would pass the filter.

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Sounds like there just might be possibly maybe perhaps a few on here tonight vying for pole position in that special club called the “half-educated” ones. Of course, that’s just a partially-educated guess on my part and there might even be another side to that story.

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I showed earlier how Obama’s polls numbers have dropped from 77% to 57% since Dec but the post was cut for some reason. I wonder why?

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Very suspect when a veteran disparages those who fought in previous wars. just saying.

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Very suspect when any veteran disparages any US citizen.

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“If you consider yourself a hyphenated American, then that means your allegiance belongs somewhere else, hence the hyphen.”

It CAN mean that. Or it CAN mean that I have shared allegiances. Or it CAN mean…

“This isn’t hard.”

OK.

“Same with thinking you need to be somewhere else.”

OK.

“If you think you need to BE somewhere else, man up and GO somewhere else.”

Who has said anything about need, but you?

“…man up and…”?

OK.

“We are a free Countyr here. You are free to leave. If you wish, I’ll send you a couple of bucks to help you on your way. I couldn’t stand the thought of someone being here that didn’t want to be here and couldn’t leave………”

Again, thanks for your kind thoughts, but no thanks. I’d prefer that you work on not making your first comments so rude.

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FRED
Pi$$ing off both sides? A man after my own heart!

Time to check out, too, one more day from h3ll at work and then this round of can til can’t is over with!

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You know as well as I do that a bricklayer is paid more than a commode scrubber.

No.

You are laboring under the misapprehension that these workers are skilled.

I’ve had to work behind them for the past thirty years and clean up their mess before I could do my job.

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Scout,

Fred’s a fraud…Sempr Fi…I’m out.

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My thoughts on voting according to how many taxes you pay:

Paris Hilton probably pays more in taxes than I do (although with shelters, she may not). Without sounding big headed, does anybody really think she’s more qualified to vote than me or anybody else on this blog?

Kamchak

Your point is well taken. I could show you a high end house built a few years back, where the basement walls were poured concrete. It was 2 feet out of square and 4 inches off level. Of course, I doubt if the poor sap who owned the house found out about it until years later when things started settling.

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Without sounding big headed, does anybody really think she’s more qualified to vote than me or anybody else on this blog?

I might lean toward giving her vote twice the weighting of John McCain’s vote just based on their respective performances during the last presidential campaign season. Her paid political ad was way better than anything John came out with.

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Scout,

It’s your question and we all know that you never ask a question that you do not already have your answer for.

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Rhode Islanders essentially get more votes than Californians.

That’s the Electoral College, which is the way the Founders set it up. Each Rhode Islander and each Californian has the same vote, regardless of means, as any other voter in their state..

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“That’s the Electoral College, which is the way the Founders set it up. Each Rhode Islander and each Californian has the same vote, regardless of means, as any other voter in their state”

that’s only partially correct. During the Constitutional negotiations some wanted an equal number of votes per state, and others want the number of votes based on population. So we got both…thanks to Ben Franklin. The Electoral College is one vote per representative – and that is ALL representatives, both in the House and the Senate.

But it isn’t the representatives that vote. When we vote for the President, we are actually voting for Electors, and THEY come together and vote for the President.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)

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Kam…let me know when you want to swap construction horror stories. Thankfully contractor licensing in GA is finally here..even if it is swiss cheese. But remember in GA, if you are working for an unlicensed contractor preforming work which requires a license, the consumer does not have to pay (by law)! And that means subs dont get paid either.

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Jay,
If all undocumented imigrants where to leave the country, voluntarily or by force, the ingnorant bigots here in GA, and elsewhere, would still be hating Hispanics…Blacks, Muslims, Jews, Gays, Lesbians, Democrats, Liberals, in short anyone different from themselves.

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Scout

October 26th, 2010
9:42 pm

To All: Rhode Islanders essentially get more votes than Californians.

We still have the same arguments/discussions that the founding fathers had. BTW Wyoming would have been a better example since it has the lowest population in the country.

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Kamchak

October 26th, 2010
9:50 pm

Wow, I knew it was bad. Didn’t know it was THAT bad.

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Jay, For your lunch bet…

Senate
49 R’s
51 D’s and others

House
228 R’s
207 D’s and others

Deal gets 48.1%

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Hillbilly Deluxe:

I was talking about their two senators. Essentially Rhode Islander votes count more/have more weight that some citizen in California because both states have two senators.

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“Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has sworn in a member of her agency’s Advisory Council who is a strong supporter of the radical Islamist theologian who calls for “war” with the non-Muslim world and whose teachings inspired and continues to govern al-Qaida and Islamic terrorist organizations worldwide.”

This is almost surreal. This administration has lost its collective mind !

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“REID ‘FREE FOOD’ AT TURNOUT EVENTS
UNIONS ‘GIFT CARDS’ FOR VOTES”

You Dems. have no shame …………………

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“Essentially Rhode Islander votes count more/have more weight that some citizen in California because both states have two senators.”

ohsweetjeebus … do they just not teach civics anymore???

or does the founding father’s intent of not having large/high population states riding roughshod over small/low population states just not matter (that’s why you have BOTH a House of Reps which corollates to population AND a Senate which gives every state equal weight).

good gawd. it’s way too early to start banging my head against the wall …

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Doggone –

shhhhhhhh … it’s been a big Dem secret! for 230+ years, we’ve managed to keep the majority of the electorate in the dark about our devious plans to take over the world through a bicameral government that balances the powers of the states in the Senate while also giving power to the people via a representative House …

… or something like that

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UnU @ 6:48

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K’chak, Hillbilly

If you check in. I’ll grant you I don’t know too much about concrete finishing, but I do know a little more than you might think about stone masonry. As you often say, apples and oranges there. The point, though, was and is that within the illegal labor community there is a wage scale heirachy at work as well. Any dumbo that goes and hires straight off the iconic Home Depot lot for anything other than sheer physical shlepping is a crook to begin with and anybody hiring that contractractor needs to do better homework.

Secondly, the point is, and was, that there are many levels of illegal labor beyond the day laborers just entering the work forces and those who work for established companies in a variety of jobs ranging from our fabled bricklayers here to computer engineers. Many of those harping about the illegals see only the day, laborer/commode scrubber, cook, yard man, etc,

Oh, well, enough of all that. I’m sure Jay will give us another thread soon on the illegals. It’s in the latest memo, I believe! And it does give even the most liberal among us a chance to bad mouthe “those people” with a broad-sweep brush…

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Hell, Josef, you own Mississippi…you work for the fun of it!

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so, how’s the hand, Normal?

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USinUK,
Doin’ good. Back at work and using it ok. Gets a little sore at times, but all in all, I’ll be back on the motorcycle by the 10th…

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Normal – more importantly … on this date in 1872, Emily Post was born … so, in her honor, I think everyone should go out of their way to be polite today.

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Afternoon UnU!!!

On today’s date:
1988 – “ET” released to home video (14 million presold)

1991 – Minn Twins beat Altanta Braves 1-0 in 10 to win World Series in 7

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“Good manners, don’t leave home without them”

This isn’t Emily Post, but I have a feeling she would have understood the sentiment (don’t know who actually said it): “Diplomacy is the art of saying ‘Good doggie’…until you can find a rock”

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UnU

I was in college at the time watching the games in my dorm room. I was heartbroken as well, but I still felt good for the Twins (long after the heartbreak wore off).

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SoCo,
I remember that if you added up all of the points scored in the seven games, Atlanta actually scored more! The had a 13 to something blowout in there if I remember right. I thought that was weird.

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Normal

the 1991 World Series:

It was almost certainly the most unlikely World Series matchup ever, as the Twins and Braves became the first two teams in Major League Baseball history to go from last to first in the space of one season.

Game 1 Oct. 19 MINNESOTA 5 Atlanta 2
Game 2 Oct. 20 MINNESOTA 3 Atlanta 2
Game 3 Oct. 22 ATLANTA 5 Minnesota 4 (12 innings)
Game 4 Oct. 23 ATLANTA 3 Minnesota 2
Game 5 Oct. 24 ATLANTA 14 Minnesota 5
Game 6 Oct. 26 MINNESOTA 4 Atlanta 3 (11 innings)
Game 7 Oct. 27 MINNESOTA 1 Atlanta 0 (10 innings)

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/history/postseason/mlb_ws_recaps.jsp?feature=1991

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Normal

Yeah. Other than game 1, the Twins won by 1 run each game. Kinda like how the Braves lost this year.

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dB

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Then there are the ramifications of being GILF-ridden, I suppose.

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The trade debate in the United States usually focuses on the jobs lost to factories in the developing world. But the recession has forced countless skilled workers in this country to consider jobs they would have rejected in the past. They now offer foreign manufacturers a resource that was far less common just a few years ago: cheaper wages for better talent.

But the price of having a more globally competitive workforce means more in the United States could fall well short of the middle-class living standards that manufacturing workers once could expect. Wages adjusted for inflation have declined for these workers since 2003.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/26/AR2010102607165.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010102607199

Welcome to the global economy and goodbye middle class of old. The new middle class will be the old higher lower class.

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One shouldn’t presume GILF by association, of course.

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**post WWII economic boom was a little perk our plutocratic rulers don’t feel is worth sustaining.**

Seems that way doesn’t it? Not all corporations are bad but the majority are only interested in the bottom line and directing the profits to the upper tier. Who cares about the worker, the country? Its all about getting as much as you can, as fast as you can. The people can be convinced to vote against their own interests time and again, even though in the process they are becoming the new serfs. Greatest lyric of all time, ” meet the new boss, same as the old boss”

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Hey look up top, my advertisement is up. Anybody need a dishwasher, refrigerator? Christmas is coming soon and I need some cash.

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LOL!!! @ Bosch

Been stocking up on your auto parts lately. Added a 4th vehicle to the fleet last month.

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as far as the 91 world series … does anyone else remember the NL playoffs with the Braves watching the end of the LA game on the big screen (because it was jsut that close!)

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/02/00/12/slideshow_512002_BRAVES+WORST+TO+FIRST+_760612.jpg

best. picture. EVER.

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Big Sid Bream — if I live to be 100 I’ll never forget that play. It still brings goosebumps.

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One can easily see the value the left puts on being an American citizen, when there are select spots around the country (all gerrymandered heavy Dimmwittocrat), that are either voting on allowing non-citizens – illegals- to vote under the ruse that “…they pay taxes so why shouldn’t they be allowed to vote?…”, and/or are simply not checking id’s of those entering polling spots.

The hatred of American and all things American, particularly those that have been bought with our finest young blood (btw, you hate the military as well), has poisoned what you call your ‘mind’.

Things are about to change, haters.

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“pee on the Bible “?

Darn! I didn’t get that memo, I’ll get started immediately!

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USinUK and Doggone,

Yeah, I forgot to put that on the agenda at the last Order of Obama meeting. I’ve been slipping lately.

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“45 percent of NPR listeners were Saddam Hussein.”

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I thought December was “To wish you a happy winter solstice”?

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Where did you get your info Red, I’ve been a NPR listener for the last ten years , never wanted to be Saddam. Especially not now.

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I feel like I’m imitating that guy on Red Eye that comes in at halftime to clarify things, but it really needs to be done.

The 1991 Braves clinched the division on the next to the last day of the regular season and while they did watch the Dodger game on the big screen at the stadium it was regular season, not playoffs. The Dodgers didn’t make the playoffs since their was no wild card back then. The picture USinUK linked is from that same regular season game and at that moment they had only clinched a tie.

The Sid slid play was from game 7 in the NLCS of 1992 and Tom Glavine also had a pretty big part of game 6 in 1995 when the Braves won the World Series.

/Now I can head to the forest with a clear mind even though I see y’all have moved on to other errr activities.

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Bud Wiser

October 27th, 2010
8:50 am

Watch Fox much???? Seriously though, just how does one become so bitter and spiteful???

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Bosch – 9:11 – well, Rememberand Day is in 2 weeks … we need to get a wiggle in it …

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College … Graduation rate

University of Georgia … 82.4

Georgia Tech … 81.3

Georgia State … 57.6

Georgia College & State … 62.1

Georgia Southern … 57.4

Clayton State … 39.5

Kennesaw State … 46.2

Southern Polytechnic State … 42.5

University of West Georgia … 45.3

University system total … 58.9

Source: University System of Georgia

Racial Demographics at CSU:

White 34%

Black 55%

Hispanic 3%

Asian 5%

Source: Earn My Degree (or not).com

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Best world series moment?

The marlins beating the yankess at yankee stadium in game six with josh beckett smoking hot…sidebar note: marlins the lowest payroll in baseball taking down the yanks highest payroll…

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I like that response… Dream on… hee hee hee

One can easily see the value the left puts on being an American citizen, when there are select spots around the country (all gerrymandered heavy Dimmwittocrat),

As opposed to the value the right puts on being an American citizen, with the gerrymandered heavy Republican districts too…

RW

I can never remember what game that was, but I’ll never forget that hustle!!! That’s a real baseball player!!!

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Still, the best all and all thrill moment in pro baseball was watching ol’ Sid round third and head home. (I thought the camera had gone to slo mo, but then realized that was as fast as Sid could run… )

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Kwip Picks:

Why would I glare at an empty nest? In fact, I revel in it.

It means, as parents, we’ve successfully raised an independent nephew (my husband’s) and daughter (ours).

Could not be more pleased with who they’ve become. Two unique and awesome INDIVIDUALS.

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African American men preferred dealing drugs to going to college, because it is “easier.”

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USinUK ..My daughter and her family live in TX and I couldn’t hear a word she was saying when they won!!!

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oops, wrong thread. time to shut this tab -

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Yep. Democrats are up to their usual shenanigans. Some morning headlines (NOT on DNCNN or PMSNBC or the New York Times for the Fox News bed wetters out there):

“Nevada voting machines automatically checking Harry Reid’s name; voting machine technicians are SEIU members”

“Angle campaign attorney: Reid “intends to steal this election if he can’t win it outright”

“Voter from New Bern, NC said he pushed the button to vote Republican in all races, but the voting machine screen displayed a ballot with all Democrats checked”

And now some headlines why the Democrats are going to have their butts handed to them by voters:

“Employers in the U.S. are starting to warn their workers to prepare for slimmer paychecks if Congress fails to vote on an extension of Bush-era tax cuts”

“Democrats ponder eliminating home mortgage interest and child care tax deductions” [so much for being for the 'middle class' there, eh Obama?]

“‘Government Doesn’t Suck’ march planned” [a group of younger, web-savvy feds are planning to march on Saturday in defense of their coworkers on the sidelines of Jon Stewart's "Rally to Restore Sanity."] Hilarious.

Time to start sqealing, liberal Dems. And please, we encourage your hero Obama in telling us to ride in the back of the bus [while it's about to be smashed into a brick wall of economic failure]

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Of any open border Liberal impersonating a Dem delivering AMNESTY, to the 13 to 20 million illegal foreigners over here is–dead meat. GOOGLE–Voter Fraud; or Illegal alien costs; Another concern is that the Democrats voted–YES–on, is “totalization” agreement between the U.S. and Mexico that would grant Social Security benefits to Mexicans, including some who are here illegally, even if they didn’t work in the U.S. long enough to qualify for Social Security benefits. Our Senior Citizens have been gainfully employed all their life’s and these demented souls in Washington, want to share our weak Social Security and pensions with illegal aliens? GOOGLE–illegal aliens and Social Security. Whereas the Liberal-Democrats use the spin, rhetoric who splash on every page of the Liberal press that Tea Party members are anti- immigrant and this is not–TRUE?

This is strictly about “Rule of Law” that coming to USA is a prestigious gift from the American People, who are represented by the government. Entering this great country without permission, is an illegal act against all Americans. Therefore this is a crime committed by illegal aliens–NOT IMMIGRANTS.

Less educated citizens have been brain-washed to believe that this seventh AMNESTY isn’t going to cost the taxpayers–ANYTHING. But ask Robert Rector, Chief analyst at the Heritage Foundation that taxes will go up, to pay the 2.6 TRILLION dollar bill. Slowly this federal government is growing and spreading and we can only hope that the Tea Party candidates will begin reduction in this monstrosity. Yesterday the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals yesterday threw out part of an Arizona law requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote, but left standing a section requiring registered voters to present proof of identification to cast a ballot. This at least can divorce most non-citizen voters from casting a vote. This is extremely significant in tight races, when only say 800 voters can have a completely different outcome to who goes to Washington or State assembly.

To be fair, every polling location should have one Democrat and one Republican and an Independent as oversight referees to check for absentee ballots irregularities. This is where the honor system is most weak. With the money wasted by Democrats, Republicans it would be prudent to have a national Voter Identification card, with fingerprint and picture to halt for good any form of spurious voting. Vote for Candidates of the TEA PARTY, as our agenda is to remove the taint of escalating power of an out-of-control government, shrinking its size, reintroduce the instruction of the US CONSTITUTION and return the empowerment of the People from the overzealous and arrogant politicians. Tea Party will conform to the citizens referendum and not to the Socialist plan of President Obama and the majority of Democrats.

Mark my words, by the end of this election, illegal aliens will have figured out how easy it is, to check off Senator Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and even Jerry Brown on absentee ballots? This is not just saying Voter fraud is prevalent in the Border States, but every state is equally at risk. Consider the situation that Border States are heavily impregnated with foreign nationals, more so in California, Nevada, New Mexico and Texas. That Senator Harry Reid has promised them some form of mass path to citizenship, if they vote for him in this midterm. Now when illegal aliens have already committed one offense by entering America, so committing a second crime by voting is certainly insignificant to people after the first crime. The fact that potentially filling out a registration forms to vote at home, opens a gaping loophole in the voting process.

It is a certainty that hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant homes have in that family circle at least one unprocessed person, therefore illegal entrant. That anybody can get from the Post Office, Drivers License Department a voter registration or by canvassers of which Acorn had the monopoly of this vulnerable system. Senator Reid has already proved this, by–BUYING–votes for himself, with free food and drinks. Other questions should be asked about SEIU union who have a past history of voter fraud, should not be allowed any intimate programming contact with electronic voting machines. or within certain any legal distance near polling sites. Then again, in Orange County Democrats gave illegal aliens the right to prospect for votes in neighborhoods. With majority leader Harry Reid promising-AMNESTY, that any new administration and then–whatever political party is seated–better take note of the public’s fury that the majority of Americans will not sign on to any form of Amnesty whatsoever. IF ANY POLITICAL PARTY OR GOVERNMENT AGENCY HAD ANY TRUE COMMITMENT TO HALTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, THEY WOULD MAKE ILLEGAL ENTRY A CLASS ONE FELONY?

The Tea Party will not become political pawns of the Republican Party , its elitists views like John Boehner or any philosophies that is epidemic of GOP demagogues. The Tea Party is a very large moderate Conservative percentage to return these United States of America back to its people.

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