GOP pushing Latinos into Democratic arms
Ten or 15 years from now, when Latino-Americans are voting in greater numbers and voting consistently Democratic, Republicans will be wringing their hands at their inability to attract support from a community that in many ways might have been sympathetic to conservative causes.
The explanation will be the imagery in ads such as this one.
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Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
6:48 pm
As far as what I would do to combat illegal immigration?
#1 I would sell hardware to the Mexican government so they could effectively fight and defeat the drug cartels.
#2 I would involve the business community who already have plants and operate in Mexico to help them develop their economy to the point that they have no need to come here to work for $5-$7 an hour.
#3 I would also involve the governments and businesses of other Central American countries to work on their economies and countries. Contrary to popular opinion, not all brown skinned border crossers are Mexican. There are Hondurans, Guatamalans, Salvadorian, etc… who travel THRU Mexico to come to the US.
Any solution to illegal immigration, regardless to what country or continent you’re talking about, has to involve economic solutions or else they will fail. People don’t come to live in the US just because the leaves are pretty in the fall or gas is relatively cheap. They come here to work.
Mr_B
October 26th, 2010
6:48 pm
Scout: I’ve got utmost respect for the USMC, but if that programmer is putting together a drone strike that eliminate one bad guy that they’d otherwise have to go after, the Marines I know would be happy to give the programmer his propers too.
kayaker 71
October 26th, 2010
6:50 pm
Southern Comfort,
The people who are invading our borders are not scared enough. They know nothing will happen to them. They can try to cross with impunity. All of the border agents in the world will not fix the problem if they are not given the authority to keep them from crossing and make the consequences more important than the deed. They will push the envelope until we get tough. Try shooting some of them. Give them a message. Unless you make them scared enough, thousands more will be here every month and nothing is solved. This is a national security issue which is costing the taxpayer billions of dollars/yr. And no one is doing anything about it.
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
6:51 pm
32 % of manufacturing in the US was lost in the last 10 years. China’s economy projected to be 3 times the size of the US by 2040. It was a nice run, too bad greed has no limit.
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
6:51 pm
Scout
Why would you weigh their vote based on their tax return? Is one person more of a citizen because he earns more and pay more taxes? or are you trying to get cheats to pay their fair share in taxes because it would give them more votes? Either way, I’m a one citizen, one vote person. I don’t care if you’re a felon or not. Just because you’re a felon doesn’t automatically disquallify you from being a citizen. I understand the need for punishment for crimes, however, once you’ve done your time and paid the price, you should be able to actively participate in society.
Tall
October 26th, 2010
6:54 pm
To Don’t Forget:
There are numerous reasons our manufacturing base has disappeared. I don’t have time to joust now.
I will be back.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
6:55 pm
Tall:
Don’t mess with Kamchak unless you are prepared to go all ten rounds. He/She/It can be nasty.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
6:55 pm
“Is one person more of a citizen because he earns more and pay more taxes?”
That same attitude was in the Constitutional Congress. Nothing has changed. There were representatives then who did not trust the “masses” with the vote…and they still exist.
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
6:55 pm
This is a national security issue which is costing the taxpayer billions of dollars/yr. And no one is doing anything about it.
You wanna know the truth about border security and national security? Actual terrorist have been caught trying to enter the US thru the Northern Border. Canada’s asylum laws are even more lax than the United States. Terrorist cells have been tracked near the border in Canada in places like Toronto. The Southern Border does not worry me at all when compared to the Northern Border. Even scarier is that the same people who harp on the South have no clue as to what’s to the North.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
6:57 pm
Mr._B:
Oh, you are correct sir. I’m just saying some people play badmitton and some play football. They’re both sports.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
6:59 pm
Doggone/GA:
Then the “masses” would have NO vote. I’m not saying that.
All I’m saying is that those who contribute more to the budget of this government should have more of a say. And when all is said and done I might have a 1.4 vote and you a 2.3. I am fine with that.
Mr_B
October 26th, 2010
7:00 pm
Kayaker: so it’s OK to kill someone because they want a better life than they can possibly have at home?
Tell you what, lets go back to the good old days like it was when my granddad got here. You arrive in reasonably good health, $50 American in your pocket and you’re in legally. Scrap the fences and send the HG guys back home.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
7:00 pm
Souther Comfort:
You wouldn’t be “more” of a citizen anymore than you would be “more” of a stockholder. A stockholder is a stockholder. One just has more of a vote than the other.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
7:03 pm
P.S.
Southern Comfort:
I agree with you on the felon vote but only if it goes all the way. AFTER you have served all of your time, probation, parole, etc. you should get your vote and ALL of your 10 Amendments back ……….. ALL of them – including the 2nd.
Even a “tax felon” deserves the right to protect his family.
popeye
October 26th, 2010
7:03 pm
Scout….Seriously you need to report post haste to the VA hospital, jump on the elevator, push 8th floor, and when you arrive, there will a very soothing nurse who will steer you to your new quarters.
Revisiting what transpired 40 years ago over and over again is a sure sign that some counseling, and therapy is required.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
7:04 pm
Mr._B:
“When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.”
Winston Churchill
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
7:05 pm
If you’re giving a person more of a vote than someone else, then I believe that you are saying that one person is more of a citizen than another. If you’re equating citizenship with being a stockholder, then you’re saying that I can basically buy myself to be citizen #1. That’s contrary to E Pluribus Unum. Would you say one person is more of a Marine based on their sniper skills or the number of “kills” they achieve in combat?
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
7:06 pm
Scout @ 7:03
I couldn’t have said it better!!!
Bosch
October 26th, 2010
7:06 pm
“which is costing the taxpayer billions of dollars/yr. And no one is doing anything about it.which is costing the taxpayer billions of dollars/yr. And no one is doing anything about it.”
Remember the billions that the American consumer have gained off the backs of illegal immigrants as well. People who complain about them and call them terrorists are hypocrites because we have all benefited from their work.
barking frog
October 26th, 2010
7:07 pm
Latinos like the rest of us will vote their pocketbooks now
and in the future.
josef nix
October 26th, 2010
7:08 pm
I tell ya what, let’s go ahead and declare war on Mexico again and take another half of their territory and incorporate it in Uncle Sam’s Empire…
As for that ad, tacky, tacky, tacky and truly hate-mongering…and the actors? Citizens, green card holders or illegals? Union or non Union…inquiring minds want to know…
And, Jay, I’m not saying you shouldn’t, but you putting up more and more of these threads highlighting the illegal alien question is, in its own way, playing the same game…
Mr_B
October 26th, 2010
7:08 pm
SoCo and Scout on the same page? The next stop, the Twilight Zone.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
7:10 pm
popeye:
“Revisiting what transpired 40 years ago over and over again is a sure sign that some counseling, and therapy is required.”
…………………. or …………….. it’s a good way to help make sure it never happens again which this time might even include you son or daugher.
You know the quote but you get it anyway:
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
I promised that to the ones I left behind and I will do my best until by last breath. So, as the D.I.’s used to say, “Suck it up maggot”.
Mr_B
October 26th, 2010
7:11 pm
Josef, that wouldn’t fit well with Sharon’s drive to make “English the OFFICIAL LANGUAGE” of the US.”
Scout
October 26th, 2010
7:13 pm
Southern Comfort @ 7:05
I think you are into “apples and oranges” now but the answere is not more of a Marine but due to your efforts you would probably make rank faster and/or higher and therefore your opinion would in fact count more.
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
7:15 pm
Tall
October 26th, 2010
6:54 pm
To Don’t Forget:
There are numerous reasons our manufacturing base has disappeared.
I don’t doubt that at all and I’m sure there’s plenty of blame to go around. What I want to know is how to reverse the trend.
kayaker 71
October 26th, 2010
7:15 pm
So Co,
How about a few pesky statistics to support anti-illegals…..
Less than 2% of all illegals are working in agriculture but 41% are on welfare.
Over 43% of all unemployment checks in the state of CA go go Illegals
Nearly 43% of all food stamps go to illegals
33% of the prison population is illegals costing us 1.6B annually
58% of all welfare payments go to illegals
83% of all warrants for murder in Phoenix go to illegals
95% of all warrants for murder in LA go to illegals
86% of all warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for Illegals
More than 300K anchor babies were born in the US in 2005. 97.2% of the cost went to the American taxpayer. More than 66% of all births in CA are illegal Mexican immigrants.
If you think that this is sanctimonious BS, I pray for your soul.
One Nation Under educated
October 26th, 2010
7:16 pm
Hey, I’m new to Atl, I’m an accountant – I can stop this immigration problem in 24 hours – guaranteed.
Pass a law tonight – all employers will be fined $1mil and prosecuted as a felon – 1 count per hired illegal – we start inspecting tomorrow. There. Problem solved. They’ll start clearing out tomorrow. You’re welcome.
(That scurrying scratchy sound you hear is all the owners & managers of those plants from Buford to Gainesville hiding, running for cover like cockroaches when the light is shed on them and their patron who looked the other way all those years, that Nathan Deal feller. Oh yeah, he’s famous, he’s nation-wide.)
josef nix
October 26th, 2010
7:17 pm
Mr B
These “official language” proponents would be surprised to find that until the hysteria of late, only two places had anything resembling “official” languages, New Mexico (Spanish and English) and Louisiana (French and English). Those guarantees were secured in the treaties incorporating the territories into the United States in order to protect the language and culture of the ESTABLISHED populations. There was the fear that these populations would leave and disrupt the infrastructure of the regions.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
7:18 pm
Someone earlier posted something about Bush letting the two Border Patrol agents stay in prison (and I happen to strongly disagree with our former President) but how about this one happening under Obama ?
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-25/justice/virgin.islands.atf.agent.case_1_federal-agents-atf-prosecution?_s=PM:CRIME
Mr_B
October 26th, 2010
7:19 pm
How’s this for a serious solution to the immigration “problem” if you want to call it that. Make it very simple to get into the US legally. Minimal financial requirement, easy visa documentation, clean criminal record required, not much else. You get a five year visa, after that you have to go home or apply for citizenship. while your here, you pay income tax,SSI, Medicare etc, but you’re not entitled to anything but education for the kiddies. We get the labor, they get the jobs, and we get to know who’s here and where they are.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
7:20 pm
One Nation Under educated :
Exactly !
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
7:22 pm
All I’m saying is that those who contribute more to the budget of this government should have more of a say
Scout, I don’t agree because I think that those who contribute more (the wealthy) also get more in services/infrastructure. I don’t have time to back that up right now but I believe that is the case.
Mr_B
October 26th, 2010
7:22 pm
josef; Every couple of years some bonehead in Atlanta drags the official language corpe out of the basement and airs it out a little. As a teacher of English, it usually takes me a few months to stop laughing.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
7:22 pm
Mr._B:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y
kayaker 71
October 26th, 2010
7:23 pm
One Nation,
But it takes someone with balls to get it done. Any suggestions?
Del
October 26th, 2010
7:24 pm
Scout,
I like the progressive weighted vote. Novel idea…would that make us progressives? BTW…popeye seems to be quite familiar with the mental health facilities at the VA, perhaps that explains his fondness for the wet cool weather in the pacific Northwest in contrast to the warm and mostly sunny Southeast.
Mr_B
October 26th, 2010
7:24 pm
Speaking of…. Got to go post grades for the little angels tonight. May be back later. Play nice….
Scout
October 26th, 2010
7:24 pm
Don’t Forget
Agree to disagree.
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
7:24 pm
By the way. Whatever happened to the tea party being “astro turf”? I think that myth has been debunked.
jm, sheer nonsense. Recently I posted the damning information thereof. Corporate funded and Fox contrived.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
7:28 pm
Don’t Forget & Southern Comfort :
It already happens somewhat. Rhode Island citizens get more clout than Californians ………. as both have two senators.
Del
October 26th, 2010
7:28 pm
Bosch like the word jingoism… dead give away. He also like to call those who he disagrees with “old men”. I seem to recall that he once mentioned that he had children in college. He may want to look at himself in the mirror.
josef nix
October 26th, 2010
7:29 pm
Mr. B
As a lover of my mother tongue English, as well as my Louisiana French, in all their magnificent dialect glory, my question is always “which English? Appalachian, New England, Southern British, East Indian, Irish, Scots, South African, Caribbean…? oh, that’s right, that bland, colorless and quasi-literate miscreant, media English!…
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
7:30 pm
“I like the progressive weighted vote.”
You could accomplish the same thing by simply allowing people to sell their votes. Make the elites pay something for their greater influence, and put some spending money in the pockets of their lessers.
josef nix
October 26th, 2010
7:30 pm
One citizen, one vote!
popeye
October 26th, 2010
7:34 pm
“…………………. or …………….. it’s a good way to help make sure it never happens again which this time might even include you son or daugher.”
Well, Scout perhaps you missed the so-called war in Iraq. You know where lies were fed to the American populace (the fear factor) Where daily, Tom Ridge would pull out his color coded chart, there was a mushroom cloud, yellow cake, and on and on.
In other words similar to the BS that was fed to the people as a prelude to Vietnam. Where we invaded a country that had never done the U.S. harm, based on a bunch of lies.
And this nonsense that somehow we were fighting for our country. The fact of the matter as I’m sure you’re well aware of was that we were fighting to stay alive, country was the last thing on my mind!
Like I say get over that era and move on….It’ll be good for you.
kayaker 71
October 26th, 2010
7:36 pm
Doggone,
Nothing but penis envy. “Money in the pockets of their lessors”, whatever that means. Take from one person and give it to another. The old story continues.
Kamchak
October 26th, 2010
7:38 pm
Tall
October 26th, 2010
6:45 pm
Kamchak:
You’re nothing more than a stooge for Mr. Bookman’s columns. Either you’re unemployed or retired or worse.
Whatsamatta sport?
Did I hit a nerve?
Good.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
7:40 pm
“Nothing but penis envy”
Keep it clean. Keep it clean.
” “Money in the pockets of their lessors”, whatever that means. ”
A “weighted” vote means there are greater voters and lesser voters. It can’t mean anything else. I’m just saying it would be a WHOLE lot easier to just let people sell their votes. Much easier law to change, and no one would have to keep track of how much someone is worth. That would work out easily in how much they can afford to spend to buy votes.
Easy.
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
7:41 pm
popeye @6;06, you are the best. A funny biting humor, extremely intelligent and given your background with Uncle Sam, highly courageous.
And that likely explains why you are no Republican sycophant.
Salute!
One Nation Under educated @7:16, boy is the US Chamber of Commerce gonna hate you.
Haven’t you heard? The plan is to round up and deport (hopefully with some violence and bloodshed) the Mexicalis and give a completely free pass to the thousands of American businesses who profited illegally from them…
Scout
October 26th, 2010
7:42 pm
Doggone/GA :
Hummm ……………… “Cap and Trade” voting? You may be on to something.
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 26th, 2010
7:43 pm
I wasn’t aware that Latinos are supportive of criminal behavior such as that committed by illegal aliens.
josef nix
October 26th, 2010
7:45 pm
Lil’ Barry
@ 7:43
Learn something new every day!
josef nix
October 26th, 2010
7:47 pm
AmVet
Round up and deport Messicans? The plan appears to round up a few million native born United States citizens and ship them off, too….Eretz Israel and aliyah are looking better by the day…
kayaker 71
October 26th, 2010
7:47 pm
Doggone,
So do you buy Bozo’s creed of “how much do you need to earn?” One vote, one citizen over 18 yrs of age. It’s the American way. How do you think that Bozo got elected? It certainly was all George Soros and Bill Gates. He fooled at least 52% of the electorate and ran a hot shot campaign. But a lot of us are seeing right through the lies, deception and Chicago gangsterism. Only 6 more days. Then we will see what the electorate thinks of this inept, hopelessly over his head, sorry excuse for a President. Neutered in 6 days, done away with in 2012.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
7:48 pm
popeye:
You need a new handle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC7z0T0DaQI&p=455C6317F04BE8C4&playnext=1&index=2
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
7:49 pm
“creed of “how much do you need to earn?” ”
I supported Hillary Clinton, not Obama.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
7:50 pm
popeye:
“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else.”
Winston Churchill
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
7:50 pm
As for the topic du jour, the GOP keeps painting itself into a whiter and whiter corner.
Watch any national GOP convention and it looks like a Billy Graham revival from the 1950s…
josef nix
October 26th, 2010
7:50 pm
kayaker, et al…
Yep six more days and we’ll find out what the voters think. But the GOP would be advised, just like the Dems in 2008, to not go getting TOO c*cky. A vote against and a vote for are not the same thing.
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
7:53 pm
Scout,
I also disagree with the “weighted vote” because there are issues other than budgetary. If we base the vote on degree of taxation you end up extending that inequality to issues such as rights and other non-budgetary policies. Take the election of judges for example. Should a higher tax bill warrant a greater say in who occupies an important position in the justice system??? I don’t say no, I say hell no!!
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
7:53 pm
“the GOP keeps painting itself into a whiter and whiter corner.”
I’ve got my popcorn and soda sitting ready. I’m watching to see who it works out to be the final, one and only ,really really, TRUE “Republican”
When you start purging your ranks, it HAS to end with only one person left. Who will it be?
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
7:54 pm
josef, would you ever consider emigrating to Israel?
Personally, I’m not sure I’m that much of a Zionist…
Though I always loved this Marley tune. Dig the killer horns in it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nga_AAnQNio
jconservative
October 26th, 2010
7:54 pm
A couple of thoughts and observations.
Most Latinos are conservative. Most Latinos are Roman Catholic.
Six of the nine members of the Supreme Court are Roman Catholic. All five conservatives on the Court are Roman Catholic.
Most Latinos take exception to being ridiculed and called names by anyone. Most Latinos take exception to being labeled as someone close to non-human.
Latinos are the backbone of many local communities. Latinos are the primary employees of many industries. Latinos are the economic might of many local communities. Whether legal or illegal, take them out and the local community dies.
Maybe we need to adopt the Ronald Reagan Solution to illegals aliens, make them legal. Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, which legalized 2.8 million undocumented workers.
Legalizing about 10 million illegals today would be about the same ratio of illegals to population as the 2.8 million Reagan legalized.
Do we want to honor the legacy of Reagan? Do we want to pretend that it never happened?
Just a couple of thoughts.
josef nix
October 26th, 2010
7:55 pm
AmVet
@ 7:50
True, but then they keep on voting in Native American Indians, Indian Americans, Latinos, Asians, African Americans, women by the quire, and the Log Cabin Republicans took on DADT successfully…it just keeps getting wierder and wieder…
Pogo
October 26th, 2010
7:55 pm
Free food to get out the Reid voters in Nevada. Basically Reid and the democrats are saying, “our constituents are so damned dumb they will sell their votes for anything if we give it to them for free”. Of course, that pretty much sums up the democrat/progressive voting base doesn’t it? They will sell their soul and their individualism for something they think is”free”. They want to be controlled. Pitiful.
TaxPayer
October 26th, 2010
7:56 pm
I see the compassionate conservatives are still whining about how big bad Obama has done them wrong but they gonna fix that come election day.
TaxPayer
October 26th, 2010
7:58 pm
I’ve got my popcorn and soda sitting ready. I’m watching to see who it works out to be the final, one and only ,really really, TRUE “Republican”
In the end, there can be only one. Probably that maverick, McCain.
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
7:58 pm
kayaker
If the US put as much effort into nation building next door as we did across the world, do you think we would have an immigration issue from south of the border?
If you have an infestation problem, do you board up your house to try to fight it? or do you take away any and all sources of food to drive them away? If you want to do away with the problem, you have to deal with the source. It’s the economy…
If you go after the people who hire illegals here, you take away a money source. If you help their own government to provide work and a means of support at home, you take away incentive for them to risk their lives to come here. If you focus on the totality of immigration as opposed to one segment, you may actually achieve progress on stemming the flow of illegal immigrants.
You still haven’t said a peep about the North? That makes me really wonder if you’re as serious about national security as you say you are. That’s approximately 5000 miles of border there with fewer resources.
More than 300K anchor babies were born in the US in 2005. 97.2% of the cost went to the American taxpayer.
Anchor babies, no matter what label you try to apply to them, are US citizens. If they don’t have an incentive to come here to work for $5 an hour, they would not be here to have babies.
More than 66% of all births in CA are illegal Mexican immigrants.
Not according to the law. Unless those born are the children of diplomats or others excluded from obtaining citizenship by law, 100% of all births in CA are US Citizens. Call it Jus Soli.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
8:00 pm
“Probably that maverick, McCain”
Nah, he was labled a RINO a LONG time ago. Nope, he’s out.
Paulo977
October 26th, 2010
8:00 pm
SoCo
Well done ….all relevant info for any Big Mouth who wants to apply!!
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
8:01 pm
Speaking of DADT and assorted issues, I’ve read recently where there is some gay blowback against Dems for p&ssyfooting around on the matter. (Now how’s that for some charged language?!)
Personally, I love it. As you know I am an equal opportunity basher. No die hard Republican or intransigent Democrat here. To me they are merely the two sides of the same counterfeit coin.
And if the Republican-lites are culpable, then culp them!
BlahBlahBlah
October 26th, 2010
8:01 pm
10 or 15 years from now we will be totally broke.
One Nation Under educated
October 26th, 2010
8:01 pm
“weighted vote” – that’s a great thought…….for the 17th century. You see, we had a revolution, largely for the right to have one person, one vote, to be represented and taxed on that basis. That’s one of the cornerstones of being a real American.
And when that gets too far out of kilter (like the 99/1% thing is now), we’ll have another one.
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
8:02 pm
TRUE Republican POTUS candidates?
For the comedic factor alone, let’s just hope it is as ludicrous as that last slate was…
TaxPayer
October 26th, 2010
8:03 pm
Nah, he was labled a RINO a LONG time ago. Nope, he’s out
But RINO is all any of them are so he’s the perfect chosen one for them.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
8:03 pm
AmVet
Billy Graham Crusades
“World-famous Billy Graham evangelist Billy Graham has held four crusades in Georgia—one in Augusta, in 1948, and three in Atlanta, in 1950, 1973, and 1994. Each of these large revivals drew thousands of people from across the South.
In 1966 Graham contacted local officials and clergymen in Americus to solicit their help in organizing an evangelistic outreach program for the city. Community members objected to Graham’s stipulation that the meetings be integrated, however, and none stepped forward to sponsor the program. Graham was prepared to cancel his plans when Jimmy Carter, then a state senator, volunteered to help. Because local churches refused to allow an integrated film screening, Carter arranged to host the program in the basement of an abandoned school building.
Carter and Graham According to Graham, Carter later reported that no less than 565 people attended the film screening.
In 1973 Graham returned to Atlanta for a six-night crusade at Atlanta–Fulton County Stadium, which drew nightly audiences of between 35,000 and 44,000 people. The civil rights leaders Ralph Abernathy and Hosea Williams urged blacks to boycott the Graham crusade, and picketers, charging Graham with racism because of his refusal to affirm the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1972 banning of the death penalty, protested at the stadium. But the Reverend Martin Luther King Sr. sat on the platform with Graham and led a prayer one night.”
Del
October 26th, 2010
8:04 pm
Scout,
popeye needs a new handle…nope it really seems to fit.
josef nix
October 26th, 2010
8:05 pm
AmVet
@ 7:54
Nice Marley cut! Thanks!
I do keep it in the back of my mind and as an option just in case. Generally in economic hard times it’s MOTs who bear the brunt…seems we’ve got Messicans taking the heat off…but you never know. I love America and I love the South. Both have been good places to be in the Diaspora. But then so were Spain, Germany, Hungary, Holland, Greece, Italy and some other places and, out of the blue and overnight…I’m a lukewarm zionist myself, Unmentionable (being an Indian) is a die hard and we have had a number of heated discussions on the matter…his refrain when things get too bad is always, “I’m going to plant trees on a kibbutz in Eretz Israel.”
TGT
October 26th, 2010
8:05 pm
GOP pushing Latinos to the Dems? Well the Dems have sure done a great job of pushing what is looking more and more like an unprecedented number of the rest of the country to the GOP.
Only once in 60 years has the Gallup generic ballot underestimated Democratic strength by a significant amount – by 2% in 2006. On average, it slightly overestimates the Democrats, by 0.7%.
Right now, the Gallup traditional model is showing the Democrats at 41% of the vote, and gives the Republicans an advantage of 14 points. That would point to a final result along the lines of 57-43. It’s hard for (me) to say how many seats that would yield, but it would be way more than 60. The Democrats have not sustained a share of the generic vote in the RealClearPolitics average higher than 43% since the early spring. With the amazingly unpopular Nancy Pelosi as the face of the party, congressional job approval now limited to legislative aides, and more voters than ever suggesting that their own member doesn’t deserve reelection, just how much higher than 43% should we really expect that final number to go?
This would mean that the current alignment of the House–255 Dem, 178 Rep., 2 Ind–would nearly reverse itself. Again: UNPRECEDENTED!
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
8:09 pm
Paulo
I can’t claim to be an expert in many things, but I’ve been elbows deep in immigration for over 3 years solid.
Del
October 26th, 2010
8:10 pm
When the Reverend Martin Luther King Sr. said in Ramparts magazine that the United States was the worst perveyor of violence since Nazi Germany, I lost respect.
Kamchak
October 26th, 2010
8:11 pm
I’ve got my popcorn and soda sitting ready. I’m watching to see who it works out to be the final, one and only ,really really, TRUE “Republican”
Great idea for the small screen.
Roll it out for the 2012 Presidential election in a Survivor format.
kayaker 71
October 26th, 2010
8:12 pm
Southern Comfort,
Do you think it is fair to grant citizenship to those who enter our country illegally? Do you think that illegals should be granted US citizenship for their children born here? Do you think that the crossing of our borders by illegals is something that we should be upset about? Do you feel that America is paying too much for this crowd of felons and what should we do about the problem? As far as the Northern borders are concerned,that segment of illegal immigration is a mere drop in the bucket compared to our southern border. Most of the illegal immigration coming from Canada is not due to Laninos, but to mules that help Pakistanis, Arabs, and other Middle Eastern people at 35K/per pop. If all we had to worry about was Canada, we could rest easy.
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
8:12 pm
Scout
Forgive me if I veer into apples to oranges comparisons. However, I see the vote as a fundamental job for each and every citizen. That is what makes us who we are.
Life isn’t fair or equal and it shouldn’t be. Achievers rise above slackers. However, when it comes to the ballot box, I don’t think any one person’s voice should be any louder than the next.
Fred
October 26th, 2010
8:13 pm
Scout
October 26th, 2010
6:46 pm
I would have NO PROBLEM giving every citizen of the U.S. one vote for federal elections including a weighted vote based on your tax returns with a maximum of three full votes.
+++++++++++++++
Thank you Neal Boortz. He espoused that idea at least ten years ago. I won’t say it is his as he rarely has any original thoughts (he freely admits this). You could at the very LEAST give credit.
Oh, and before he got bought by the Republican party with radio syndication he ALSO had admiration for the illegals. I remember one show after a Uhaul van packed like a sardine can full of illegals was stopped and they were arrested. His point then was that here in Atlanta folks won’t spend 50 cents to ride marta across town for a job while these illegals risk everything on a journey of 1000’s of miles to better them selves.
Semper Fi THAT you leg. Or am I wrong? Did you actually ever put your knees to the breeze?
josef nix
October 26th, 2010
8:13 pm
AmVet
@ 8:01
Ooooh! Watch you language!
Seriously, though, the Dems have created a problem with this constituency and who knows what will happen at the polls, but the checkbook has been put in the lock box for the time being…Blanch du Bois ain’t buying it,,,
TaxPayer
October 26th, 2010
8:14 pm
I just can’t wait for the Republicans to solve the debt and deficit by giving us all more tax cuts.
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October 26th, 2010
8:14 pm
I’m 100% in agreement with jconservative on the immigration issue. Having grown up in their midst (California) there’s no way one can ignore the values inherent within the Latino community.
Having said that, I have friends who are leaving California for, among other reasons, the heavy burdens illegal migrants have put on the state’s economy. They feel like they’ve been overwhelmed. It’s nothing personal against Latinos….some of them ARE Latinos….immigrants from other countries too. They no longer see California as a viable option.
It’s sad. They’ve lived there for as long as I can remember.
Fred
October 26th, 2010
8:14 pm
Josef: I lacked the patience to read all the posts. Had I done so, I would have been less civil in my replies than I normally am (and you know I’m rarely civil). So what’s a MOT?
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
8:16 pm
josef, it is no secret that I am completely in love with America. And always have been. And I consider myself one of the luckiest people alive simply for having been born here. (And not in 1939 Germany.)
She has given me everything. And I have enjoyed her boundless bounty and beauty. And though at times, I have been exasperated at our government and capitalist system, I still adhere to the belief that it is the greatest and most noble experiment in human history.
With that said, I am not certain that I want to die here. Sometimes distant lands call to me and I would entertain the thought of emigrating elsewhere. But I must confess, Israel is nowhere near the top of the list…
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
8:17 pm
Fred, Member of the Tribe. (Jewish.)
josef nix
October 26th, 2010
8:17 pm
FRED
What you were saying about the lengths and sacrifices illegals go to to get here…so true, My Yankee Republican brother-in-law puts it “Mexico’s loss is our gain.”
Nice Guy
October 26th, 2010
8:20 pm
AmVet – “Watch any national GOP convention and it looks like a Billy Graham revival from the 1950s…”
So the F what? Even if this was true, why does this bother you so?
Fred
October 26th, 2010
8:20 pm
Amvet: Delta is ready when you are. I have zero tolerance for hyphenated Americans or people that want to be somewhere else. If you want to BE somewhere else, might I most respectfully suggest that you GO somewhere else.
We are a free Countyr here. You are free to leave. If you wish, I’ll send you a couple of bucks to help you on your way. I couldn’t stand the thought of someone being here that didn’t want to be here and couldn’t leave………
Del
October 26th, 2010
8:21 pm
Fred, “did you ever actually put your knees to the breeze? Not sure if Scout ever did that but he put his ass in the grass. So fucxing what, I have 2 sets of blood wings, that doesn’t mean anything.
Paulo977
October 26th, 2010
8:22 pm
Am Vet
That Marley was irie …thanks
Fred
October 26th, 2010
8:24 pm
Thanks Amvet and josef. I should have known that. Brain fart.
josef: You are paraphrasing something I have been saying for years. The “Mexican” illegals (I put that in quotes because there are illegals from all over the world) are the strongest and smartest their nation have. They prove that by crossing the border. America was founded on the strongest from every Country in the world. Those who were not aristocrats and would not have a chance to succeed in their original Country came here……….. and made us strong. The inbred blue bloods stayed in Europe where they could oppress those too weak to leave. It’s really quite simple……..
Nice Guy
October 26th, 2010
8:25 pm
AmVet – “She has given me everything.”
Your problem is that you like to bash everything that made “given me everything” possible. I know you are aware of this fact, but you allow your hate filled heart to cloud your thinking much too often.
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
8:25 pm
Nice Guy, don’t be such a drama queen. It does not bother me in the slightest. I find it rather amusing and merely made an observation. The crowd is 99% white ala the good old segregationist days. Don’t be afraid to confirm it. Just watch a video of the last three or four.
Fred, why would I believe that you even have two nickles to rub together, much less two dollars?
But you are the perfect modern day caricature of those stupid “America. Love It or Leave It” bumper stickers from the 70s…