GOP pushing Latinos into Democratic arms
Ten or 15 years from now, when Latino-Americans are voting in greater numbers and voting consistently Democratic, Republicans will be wringing their hands at their inability to attract support from a community that in many ways might have been sympathetic to conservative causes.
The explanation will be the imagery in ads such as this one.
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AmVet
October 26th, 2010
5:00 pm
The lengths these criminal coddling neo-cons will go to defend that piece of Kentucky trash is amazing.
Well played gentlemen…
JDW
October 26th, 2010
5:01 pm
Attaboy JohnnyReb! I agree with you and Southern Comfort it stinks no matter what.
JohnnyReb
October 26th, 2010
5:05 pm
One or two more off subject comments about the housing mess. Obviously, I did not look at the calendar when I challenged Progressives to defend the info in the Indybank video. The word Soros spooled me right up, it had to be a Democratic plot. That’s my mistake which JDW pointed out to my embarrassment. Regardless, its one more example of Big Government making purchases and arrangements that are not in the best interest of tax payers.
Lastly, I brought this up before but no one commented. The Heritage Foundation, whether you like them or not they are reliable with at least the root of a story, is reporting that Obama will ask for $154 billion more for Fannie and Freddie after the elections. That leads me to believe we have not yet bottomed out with the housing mess.
Now back to Illegal Immigration and how the Dems are digging their own grave over the issue, or something like that.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
5:07 pm
“A – let’s not rehash the funding debate for SS and Medicare”
YOU brought it into the discussion…not me.
“B – more to the point, glad to see you’re only willing to cut the things you don’t like (the military), instead of everything”
I’m willing to cut Medicare, heck I’m even willing to do away with it altogether…I just don’t delude myself that it will mean I have less to pay for. One way or the other, I’ll still be paying.
jt
October 26th, 2010
5:07 pm
Jay
October 26th, 2010
3:24 pm
“For those who surmised the Rand Paul incident might have been orchestrated, it would appear not, since the Paul campaign acknowledges the “stomper” was a Rand volunteer:”
If and until charges are filed,
then it was a “Gulf of Paduca ‘ type operation. A false flag. A democrat Standard op.
There is no way in hades that a MoveOn “contract employee” could resist a lawsuit. Except maybe for the fact that she is a felon and she doesn’t want to file charges against her cohort.
JDW
October 26th, 2010
5:10 pm
JohnnyReb wrote
The Heritage Foundation, whether you like them or not they are reliable with at least the root of a story, is reporting that Obama will ask for $154 billion more for Fannie and Freddie after the elections. That leads me to believe we have not yet bottomed out with the housing mess.
I agree we are not at the bottom and if we can get out for another $154 Billion you can count me relieved…not happy but relieved.
jm
October 26th, 2010
5:11 pm
Tea Party. Good for the Republican Party.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44140.html
Jay
October 26th, 2010
5:13 pm
Carlos, I can’t think of a country with a comparable problem. Spain has it to some degree, with folks from North Africa crossing the Mediterranean, but nothing like this scale.
But then again, we’re probably the only country with a 2,000-mile border, most of which is wilderness, separating one of the richest countries in the world from a very poor country. So I’m not sure you can compare us to the rest of the world in that regard.
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
5:13 pm
Unfrigginbelievable.
The Rand campaign acknowledges that the stomping POS was one of their own.
And STILL the thug-loving cons here spin like…
http://www.fameartist.com/Graphics/Pavlova%20as%20dying%20swan%202%20photo.jpg
jm
October 26th, 2010
5:13 pm
Doggone
A- I brought up the spending. But obviously the taxes for it go hand in hand.
B- I would do away with most of medicare as well, but not Medicaid. Medicaid would have to cover those without any financial means that currently fall under Medicare. But it would be vastly smaller group of people.
kayaker 71
October 26th, 2010
5:13 pm
Scenario….
Border violence continues to escalate and more Americans are killed on the border. Mexican drug gangs continue to dominate the border for up to 40miles from the line throughout Arizona and New Mexico and beginning in Texas. Bozo does nothing to protect American citizens. Drug gangs become more embolden and cross the border with more frequency, robbing, killing and kidnapping more Americans. Bozo does nothing. American citizens become more fed up with this clown than they already are (if that’s possible) and take the law into their own hands shooting and killing invading Mexicans. The conflict escalates. Bozo does nothing. These same Americans are arrested by Federal Law enforcement for murder of those poor unfortunate latinos who are just trying to make a better life for them and their families. Political correctness becomes the mantra of the day and those evil Americans who are trying to protect their security are painted by the press and by Bozo as uncaring, callous and vicious. Bozo does nothing.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
5:16 pm
“But it would be vastly smaller group of people.”
But we would still be paying for it.
jt
October 26th, 2010
5:16 pm
Okay, for what it is worth, I will admit that I was wrong. Something Jay seldom if ever does. (it wasn’t a head STOMP though.)
From the AP————————————————-
LEXINGTON, Ky. — A volunteer with Rand Paul’s Republican U.S. Senate campaign apologized Tuesday for stepping on the head of a liberal activist who tried to confront the tea party candidate with a fake award.
Paul supporter Tim Profitt said video of the scuffle made it appear worse than it was and he chided police for not stepping in. Lauren Valle, the 23-year-old activist with the group MoveOn.org, said her face was swollen and her neck and shoulder were sore after she was wrestled to the ground by Paul supporters Monday night when she tried to give the candidate an “employee of the month” award.
Valle was roughed up before the debate between Paul and Democrat Jack Conway. The race is one of the most closely watched and hotly contested in the midterm elections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMpXAknykeg
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
5:20 pm
“he chided police for not stepping in”
“Somebody stop me, before I (kill) again” So now it’s the fault of the police that he reacted the way he did? So much for “personal responsibility”
Jefferson
October 26th, 2010
5:20 pm
Until you remove money from elections, nothing will change, just get worse.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
5:21 pm
“Until you remove money from elections”
and how would you go about doing that?
RW-(the original)
October 26th, 2010
5:21 pm
Remind me again who its been that’s been demonizing “foreigners and their influence” 24/7 for the last month or so?
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
5:23 pm
(it wasn’t a head STOMP though.)
I’ve watched it twice.
And IMHO parsing semantics in such a silly, contrived manner is absurd.
Is this a more preferred phrase? ” Viciously smashing someones head into a concrete sidewalk with their foot?
Great.
I still can’t get over how ideology can make otherwise ostensibly decent people turn into such thugs and thug apologists.
But keep it up lunatic fringe. It is what you do best – vilify the weak and glorify the wicked.
Paulo977
October 26th, 2010
5:24 pm
Tn Gelding
“Forfeit our heritage” ….now that is funny as we were founded by ILLEGALS!!!
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
5:26 pm
JDW & JReb
I think residential housing is only half the problem. We have yet to see the commercial real estate issue bubble up.
kayaker
I don’t see that scenario as possible. As soon as Mexican cartels try to do what they do in Mexico on US soil, that will be the beginning of their end. I don’t think ANY president, congressperson, or citizen will allow them to run free and just arbitrarily kill. Your scenario makes for good partisan platform food, but I’m not partaking in that meal.
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
5:29 pm
and how would you go about doing that?
Full public financing of campaigns. Give a candidate a set amount based on the office they’re running for. Give equal but limited air time on NPR and Public TV. That forces a candidate to budget time and money to get their message out. Outlaw any and all outside campaigning. Make the candidate earn a vote as opposed to paying for it. If they can’t budget money or time in a campaign, what makes you think that will change if they get elected?
jm
October 26th, 2010
5:29 pm
Jefferson – if I may.
“Until you remove money from elections, nothing will change, just get worse.”
Until you remove money from government, nothing will change, just get worse.
And I actually mean that. Corruption follows the government till.
jm
October 26th, 2010
5:30 pm
SoCo- take (most of) the money away from government, and there won’t be any need to try to influence and meddle with government and or elections. No money in government hands, no corruption. Simple.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
5:30 pm
“but I’m not partaking in that meal”
Now Soco…you have to get onboard with the message! And the message is: be afraid, be very afraid.
Because if YOU’RE not afraid, then those who are will feel lost and helpless and inferior. So EVERYONE has to be afraid.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
5:33 pm
“Full public financing of campaigns”
that is not “taking the money out of campaigns” though. I want to hear from Jefferson how to REMOVE money from campaigns.
Personally, I’d allow any and all contributions – but EVERY contributor would have to be published on the internet for all to see, even if all they give is 50 cents. Anonymous contributions would have to be sent right back out as contributions to a charity. AND I would limit the campaigning to exactly 30 days before the election.
kayaker 71
October 26th, 2010
5:35 pm
Southern Comfort,
It has already started. People in Arizona cannot travel much closer than 40 miles to the border without risk of their security. People have been killed trying to defend their land. Gangs of Latinos continue to invade California and cities across the US. Nearly 35% of our male prisons are filled with illegal latinos. And Bozo does nothing. The press does nothing but defend the latino population and we are left with an unsecure border that no one seems to care about. This ASS88le of a president even sued the people of Arizona, HIS OWN COUNTRYMEN, for trying to protect themselves. And you don’t think it’s going to get worse. What fairy tale are you living in?
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
5:37 pm
“35% of our male prisons are filled with illegal latinos”
“And Bozo does nothing”
Seems to me there’s just a tad bit of contradiction here.
Jefferson
October 26th, 2010
5:37 pm
Look there Dog, I never said I know how to fix the problem, just what is the problem. I’m talking about big money, corp money, you know payola.
@@
October 26th, 2010
5:40 pm
In Obama interview on Univision, he said:
“If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,’ if they don’t see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it’s gonna be harder and that’s why I think it’s so important that people focus on voting on November 2.”
PUNISH our ENEMIES!!!???!!!
Do we really need THIS kind of heated rhetoric coming from our PRESIDENT?
I should THINK not.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
5:41 pm
“I’m talking about big money, corp money, you know payola”
Then why didn’t you say so? You said “remove money” – something you know FULL WELL can’t be done. Did you expect no one would notice?
Personally, I say let them contribute…just publish who they are and how much they gave. And let the voters decide for themselves. And in an “ideal” world, I would ban any and ALL commercials by the politician or they’re party that even mentions their opponent.
BADA BING
October 26th, 2010
5:42 pm
Off topic but who cares…..Charlie Sheen trashes his hotel room and taken to hospital (again). Chuck, we all like to party brother, but this is getting a little embarassing.
jm
October 26th, 2010
5:43 pm
Bada – I think actors play themselves…. if you follow me. 2.5 men might be a reality show…. not sure.
kayaker 71
October 26th, 2010
5:45 pm
Doggone,
It is time to reward Bozo? He won’t even back an ID check for a suspected illegal in Arizona. There’s no contradiction here. That 35% should not even be inhabiting our prisons. They should not even be here…. period. Think about how much that Mexican criminals are costing, you, the taxpayer. It’s a non issue.
Jefferson
October 26th, 2010
5:46 pm
Sorry Dog for the confusion, I would only allow money from someone who could vote and disclose it fully. UAW can’t vote, NRA can’t vote, IBM can’t vote. Corporations should be happy with their “depreciation” expense corp wellfare and lay low.
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
5:47 pm
kayaker
I’m living in the REAL world. I’ve got many friends who are in TX, AZ and CA in those 40 mile areas that you’re talking about. They are risking their lives so that ranchers and farmers do not. So don’t feed me that sanctimonious bullsh*t that Obama isn’t doing anything. Border Patrol has openings that they can’t fill. We’ve sent people from Atlanta to augment personnel on the border. You need to get out of the fantasy world you’re living in. If you feel so strongly about border security, here’s a link for you. BP is ready when you are!!!
Do you want to go to Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, or California? If you’re worried about pay, here’s some infor for you:
Vacancy Ann #:BPA 11-1
Who May Apply:Public
Pay Plan:GL-1896/05-09
Appointment Term:Permanent
Job Status:Full-Time
Opening Date:10/01/2010
Salary Range:From $38,619.00 to $63,259.00 USD per year
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
5:48 pm
“They should not even be here…. period”
right. They should be running around loose in Mexico so they can cross the border again. Great idea.
I’ll ask the question again, which no one will even attempt to answer: how much are you willing to pay in more taxes to secure our border?
Del
October 26th, 2010
5:49 pm
Kayaker,
The far out libs think that we really don’t have any problems. The drug cartels are well contained on the Mexican side of the border and we don’t have any crime spill over. Why we should just open up our borders and our arms to illegal immigrants. They aren’t a burden on our economy. Also, if we would just be kind to Islamic jihadists they wouldn’t harm us, so when they do it’s our fault. Now if you don’t accept all of that, you’re living in fear and you should really try to live in subjectivity rather than objectivity.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
5:51 pm
kamchak:
Where have you been the past few days? Hope you weren’t under the weather.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
5:51 pm
Southern Comfort:
Do you own any stock in a particular company and if so how many shares ?
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
5:52 pm
“I would only allow money from someone who could vote and disclose it fully”
But corporations pay taxes, just like “real” people/citizens do. I don’t have a problem with “big money” – it TAKES big money to campaign, especially for a national office and in a country this big. I still think the answer is FULL disclosure of ALL contributers. No anonymous contributions permitted, period.
And I don’t know who said this, but I heard it a few years ago – sort of in passing – as I was channel-surfing…but some politician said if he was allowed to accept all contributions with no limitations, his campaign slogan and his promise to the voters would be: “All contributions gratefully accepted…and resolutely ignored”
Bosch
October 26th, 2010
5:55 pm
Del,
Seriously, when have you ever heard anyone say they think or believe that nonsense? You know, you could just ask people what they think instead of spouting what YOU think they think — once again, erroneously so. Because I have never heard anyone say such nonsense, except you of course.
Del
October 26th, 2010
5:56 pm
Off to pick up my daughter stay unafraid. back later, I’m out
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
5:57 pm
“Seriously, when have you ever heard anyone say they think or believe that nonsense?”
Bosch – give him a break, his crystal ball is cracked and give faulty readings.
kayaker 71
October 26th, 2010
5:58 pm
Southern Comfort,
Is that why there are two border patrolmen presently occupying US prisons for doing their job? Is that why we have thousands more illegals invading our country every month? Is that why the DOJ has chosen to sue it’s own citizens for protecting themselves? This is not sanctimonious BS. How about sending the National Guard? That’s sort of a Presidential thing, is it not? But he doesn’t have the balls to do anything about the problem. He has proven this time and time again. He kisses the as* of the Mexican president on the the White House lawn and expects the American people to accept that as Presidential behavior? You might be happy with this clown but I sure as hell am not. And the majority of Americans will tell you soon how happy they are with this sorry excuse of a human being.
Jay
October 26th, 2010
5:58 pm
And don’t forget, you’ve got until midnight tonight to post your entry on the election predictions post (in other words, don’t post it here.)
jm
October 26th, 2010
5:59 pm
Doggone – “crystal ball”
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1750&bih=975&q=krystal+ball
jm
October 26th, 2010
6:00 pm
Jay – reminder to people of all political persuasions (whether they pay taxes or not
) to go vote this coming next Tuesday. As if anyone on this board would possibly, ever, ever forget…..
Bosch
October 26th, 2010
6:00 pm
Kayaker,
“That 35% should not even be inhabiting our prisons. They should not even be here…. period.”
Tell that to Sheriff Arapiro (?sp) — I heard him say in an interview that he has no intention of sending criminals he catches here illegally back to their country of origin — they broke the law, they do the time here. In a cost to cost comparison, I wonder which is cheaper to the taxpayer? Keeping them here, or deporting them? It would be interesting to know.
Scout
October 26th, 2010
6:02 pm
Doggone/GA:
I have a feeling that Del has done more for his country with his little finger than you and Bosch ever thought about. How about showing some respect.
jm
October 26th, 2010
6:04 pm
Bosch 6 – I’m guess deporting is cheaper. Since after their jail time, they get deported anyway…. (at least in theory)
Bosch
October 26th, 2010
6:04 pm
“Is that why there are two border patrolmen presently occupying US prisons for doing their job?”
That George W. wouldn’t even allow a pardon? Flat out refused.
Sorry kayaker to bust your bubble, but Obama has done more to combat the problem than W ever did, weird considering he was from Texas and all.
Jefferson
October 26th, 2010
6:05 pm
Paying corporate taxes should not allow you to vote or influence elections. Corp taxes are just that, not some type of membership. They use resources and infastructure and should contribute to gov’t.
popeye
October 26th, 2010
6:06 pm
Ha..Ha..Ha……………………..
After reading this I can imagine El Pigboy Rush, Crocodile tears Beck, sex pervert O’Reilly, and the entire ship of fools over at Fox, and the other right wing nutjobs gnashing their teeth.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/39849537/ns/today-entertainment/
jm
October 26th, 2010
6:07 pm
Jefferson – read here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood
Bosch
October 26th, 2010
6:08 pm
Scout,
Why bring me into this? You have no idea what I’ve done in my life and if you think the only way to serve your country is to be in the military, then you are sorely mistaken.
Respect is earned, you’d be wise to understand that. Jinoistic bigots do not get my respect.
saywhat?
October 26th, 2010
6:08 pm
Nice little right wing fantasy kayaker. Too bad it has absolutely no basis in reality. “Bozo’, as you refer to your president, has already had his administration do more immigration enforcement than any president before him. Also a fact which you conveniently ignore is that crime inside our southern border is actually DOWN from previous years.
You are just too silly to be taken seriously.You cherry pick a few news stories and let your fevered imagination run wild and extrapolate inanities. You then demand the president solve all the unprecedented earth shattering catastrophic problems that only exist in your head, and get mad when he doesn’t do it. Following your type of “logic”, I should be pissed that W didn’t do a damn thing to prevent the planting of microchips into the heads of our children by multinational corporations. Not a single damn thing.
Bosch
October 26th, 2010
6:10 pm
Make that” jingoistic bigots.”
Mr_B
October 26th, 2010
6:10 pm
Kayaker: I’m curious. How many American citizen exactly have been killed kidnapped on American soil in say the last two years? How many before that? I know of a couple of cases, but not all that many. I’m not suggesting that any level of crime is all right, but I don’t see the tidal wave of violence that you seem to be suggesting is taking place.
jm
October 26th, 2010
6:10 pm
By the way. Whatever happened to the tea party being “astro turf”? I think that myth has been debunked.
Jefferson
October 26th, 2010
6:10 pm
jm, I’m talking about solving a problem not the problem. I just said what should be, not what is.
kayaker 71
October 26th, 2010
6:11 pm
Bosch,
Sheriff Joe would not even be in the mix of Washington was doing their job. Compare what it costs to keep illegals in this country, both in and out of prisons, for the American taxpayer. We are shouldering a huge burden for a mandate that the states should not be burdened with. It is an unfunded mandate because our Federal Government will not do their job. California’s 19B state deficit is astounding. Think how much of that comes from funding entitlement programs for illegals. And Bookman is worried about how politically correct some ad is in the Nevada election. Perhaps he should focus his wrath on something more important.
Jefferson
October 26th, 2010
6:11 pm
The t-republicans will know they were played after the election is over.
One Nation Under educated
October 26th, 2010
6:12 pm
What are you Walmart Republicans defending the billionaires buying elections for? You think they care? You think you’ll get invited to the yacht club next weekend?
jm
October 26th, 2010
6:13 pm
Jefferson – that may be. But the Supreme Court thinks your wrong at that Corps are entitled to rights. While you can’t vote out the justices, I guess you can vote for someone to change the law.
I’m glad corporations have rights, personally. At least as long as they’re taxed and regulated.
Mr_B
October 26th, 2010
6:13 pm
@ Saywhat: Nicely done.
TaxPayer
October 26th, 2010
6:13 pm
It’s gonna take a mighty big tax cut to pay for all the things the Republicans on here expect Obama to do.
Fred
October 26th, 2010
6:14 pm
Jay, I think you failed in your blog. The fault is yours. You COULD have made a stirring argument but you didn’t. I’ll give you a pass in that your dad is sick. (Just damn, I shouldn’t have said that, Jeff Schultz got his panties in a wad and banned me from HIS blog for a similar comment. Give me a pass on that one bro although I don’t know how it can be in “poor taste.”)
You briefly mentioned that many Hispanics would vote Republican because they hols the same ‘values” but you didn’t ’splain it. I don’t need it ’slained because I know it to be true, but many people don’t. You had a good thought, but you didn’t follow up on it. Bad job on your part lol. I designate this particular column as a PHAIL.
i’m not even gonna read the comments others posted. I think if you supplied me a list of user names, I could write them myself and be totally accurate on what they actually said………..
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
6:15 pm
Scout
The only money I have in the market now is thru my TSP. As far as the individual stocks, I could not tell you, but I have money in the International markets, small cap stocks, and other stuff thru the funds.
kayaker
* The reason the two BPA’s are in jail has nothing to do with their job. Anytime someone in law enforcement has the least bit of doubt in their credibility, it damages them far beyond what the average person will ever suffer.
* I’d love to see your proof of theses thousands every month. When you can produce it, I’ll address it.
* I don’t agree with the decision of the DOJ, but last time I checked, immigration law enforcement was a federal government job and not a state’s. Arizona meant well with their law, but I think they were putting an undue burden on the peace officers in their state. It is impossible to be able to know and enforce state law and try to understand immigration law at the same time. Immigration law changes so much that we have 20+ year veterans who sometimes can’t keep up with it.
* Sending the National Guard?? To do what, just stand around?? Unless I’m missing something somewhere, I don’t think they can be used in a law enforcement capacity. All they can do is stand around and advise. Then, you would be complaining and bitching about thousands of government workers standing around and not doing anything.
* In Obama’s first year, deportations were higher than in Bush’s last year. I don’t get the accusation that Obama isn’t doing anything. What do you want to see, him personally handcuffing someone and taking them back to their home country???
I understand you don’t like Obama, and I don’t care. However, when you spew like you did, you not only disparage me and my committment to my country but you do the same for my friends and co-workers. Personally, we don’t give a rats a$$ who’s in office because we’re going to do our job anyway.
Jefferson
October 26th, 2010
6:15 pm
I’m glad you are glad, but voting and influencing elections should be done by voters, otherwise nothing will change.
kayaker 71
October 26th, 2010
6:16 pm
Mr-B,
One is too many. Soon, if the door is not closed it will be more. Don’t you see the importance of this issue to our security? How can you ignore even one American killed. Is he/she expendable? If you have a son, how important would it be to you if be were the one? Would you just pass it off as whatever?
Bosch
October 26th, 2010
6:17 pm
kayaker,
If you actually looked at the facts instead of listening to Rush (after switching to decaf of course) you’d find that your theories are a little exaggerated. Not to say they aren’t real, but it’s apparent your hate for the President has blinded your judgment.
jm
October 26th, 2010
6:17 pm
Jefferson – “voting and influencing elections should be done by voters”
I agree. Stop taxing corporations and I’m all in.
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
6:17 pm
kayaker
As I said earlier, Border Patrol is ready when you are. If you don’t think we’re doing our job, come give it a shot yourself. I left you a link earlier. Otherwise, just hush and let grown people do their work.
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
6:17 pm
Tim Profitt was the Bourbon County Campaign coordinator for Rand Paul. He isn’t anymore though, lol.
Jefferson
October 26th, 2010
6:18 pm
jm, the taxes are to pay for their keep.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
6:19 pm
“Jinoistic bigots do not get my respect.”
No matter HOW much they’ve done FOR their country. It’s the potential they exhibit for what they might do TO their country that concerns ME.
TaxPayer
October 26th, 2010
6:20 pm
I want to know why Obama has done nothing to seal off the border from above. I mean, those aliens could just drop in from anywhere. We need a bigger bubble to live in. The one we got now will just barely hold the Republicans. Don’t they care about the rest of us!
Jefferson
October 26th, 2010
6:20 pm
They have to be regulated(product safty), they use infastruture, want police and fire protections etc… letting them run the country is a little too much.
@@
October 26th, 2010
6:21 pm
I don’t know about John Stewart being the most influential man. Funny? Without a doubt, but influencial?
I found this to be interesting.
U.S. President Barack Obama fell to 21st place from the top five last year.
saywhat?
October 26th, 2010
6:23 pm
jm wrote “By the way. Whatever happened to the tea party being “astro turf”? I think that myth has been debunked.”
If by “debunked’ you mean that we all now know it was funded by the Koch brothers, through various Republican/right wing PR firms, and heavily promoted for free 24/7 by Foxnews, so that all the right wing sheeples could get sucked in to getting their rage on in defense of victimized billionaires and anti-regulation multi-national corporations, yeah, it was “debunked”.Otherwise, not so much.
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
6:23 pm
@@
Maybe he wasn’t as influential as people tried to make him. It’s obvious he had little influence to begin with over his own party based on the legislation that came out of Congress. So it could be that the GOP is now realizing it as well and his numbers are dropping.
Mr_B
October 26th, 2010
6:24 pm
Kayaker: PLease note that I agree that any level of violence is unacceptable. I don’t agree that fortifying our southern border is going to make any differnece as long as we allow it to make economic sense for some poor campisano to cross the border and try to better his own lot in life. We used to call that an American value. Pinting those who cross, even illegally, as drug-crazed parasites bent on destroying America is just silly. We’ve deported 400,000 peole in fiscal 2010 and the year ain’t over yet. Most of those deported were in fact criminals.
kayaker 71
October 26th, 2010
6:24 pm
Southern Comfort,
A show of military might on the border at the most challenged portions is just a start. You might remember that our National Guard is armed with the latest in military hardware and is prepared to use it if our Supreme Leader would give the OK. But under Bozo, there would probably be a lot of standing around, wondering what they were doing there and questioning their mission. There would be restrictions on what they could do…. they would probably be tasked to take bottled water to those in need….. maybe help those who are misunderstood….. maybe they could open a job placement center on the border and save those illegals some time and effort in taking American jobs. Then Janet Napp could hoot and holler about how good a job we are doing. It ain’t working, Southern Comfort, plain and simple. What would you do about the problem?
Mr_B
October 26th, 2010
6:26 pm
Sorry, should be “painting”.
One Nation Under educated
October 26th, 2010
6:29 pm
jm – Stop taxing corporations and I’m all in.
How sweet of you to defend those helpless corporations. Your invitation to the yacht club will be, er ..mailed…um, yeah its in the mail.
Re-imburse the American govt for each job they shipped overseas and its economic impact, along with the tax break for doing so, plus the back taxes on income from offshore tax shelters, at a commensurate tax rate that ordinary people pay, and we’might discuss your corp tax rate.
See, that AM radio talking point doesn’t sound so good now, does it?
Del
October 26th, 2010
6:30 pm
Bosch, did I piss you off lad? thanks for helping to make my day.
carlosgvv
October 26th, 2010
6:31 pm
Jay, if we have a 2,000 mile border seperating us from a poor country, our leaders should have long since taken measures to protect us from a flood of illegal immigrants. Obviously, they did not and have not. So, what do we do now with all these millions of illegals here now and how can we stop any more from coming here? Our resources, like those of all countries, are finite and we cannot continue to accept an endless number of illegal immigrants. Why is this so hard for some to understand?
carlosgvv
October 26th, 2010
6:32 pm
Kamachak
You can go back to sleep now
Del
October 26th, 2010
6:33 pm
Scout,
Thank you for the fire suppression in my absence. Those two never have much anyway.
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October 26th, 2010
6:33 pm
SoCo:
I’ve always viewed any president as little more than a figurehead. Problem is Obama doesn’t have a head for figures.
(ISH)
Obama has fallen far from his heyday of 2008, when he easily grabbed the list’s No.1 spot – even before winning the presidential election.
Back then, the site couldn’t praise him highly enough. “For millions of young guys voting for the first time, Barack Obama isn’t a symbol of change – he is the emissary of their legacy,” AskMen raved. “His arrival tells them that they aren’t doomed to inherit the archaic cynicism of their parents, but are free to entertain their own hopes and dreams.”
Now the President isn’t even in the top 20. He rolled in this year at No. 21, behind Conan O’Brien, LeBron James, Stephen Colbert, Jay-Z and Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg, among others.
He was even beaten by rapper Kanye West, who was named the most hated celebrity of 2009.
Ouch!
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
6:35 pm
“how can we stop any more from coming here?”
Target the people who HIRE them.
Kamchak
October 26th, 2010
6:36 pm
By the way. Whatever happened to the tea party being “astro turf”? I think that myth has been debunked.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
The Tea Party belongs in the second category. It is mostly composed of passionate, well-meaning people who think they are fighting elite power, unaware that they have been organised by the very interests they believe they are confronting. We now have powerful evidence that the movement was established and has been guided with the help of money from billionaires and big business. Much of this money, as well as much of the strategy and staffing, were provided by two brothers who run what they call “the biggest company you’ve never heard of”.
Charles and David Koch own 84% of Koch Industries, the second-largest private company in the United States.
Mr_B
October 26th, 2010
6:40 pm
I keep wondering why we think that effectiveness and intellegence can be settled in some sort of wierd civil popularity contest. I don’t necessarily vote for a politician to do what I want, I vote for him in the hopes that he will try to figure out what’s best for the country and do that. Hwether Obama is ranked Numero Uno or thiry-eleventh doesn’t make a bit of difference about whether his ideas and policies are the appropriate ones to be followed now. That’s where the debate should be; not about poll numbers.
Bosch
October 26th, 2010
6:40 pm
“Bosch, did I piss you off lad?”
Some people are such champions in their own minds…….
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
6:42 pm
kayaker
If I didn’t think you posted that 6:24 as a joke, I’d really be worried about you. However I know you were serious. Unless Mexico is invading the US, military show of strength on the border will accomplish nothing. How many people would you have to physically put on a border almost 2000 miles in length to make a show of force actually look like a force? Do you think the American taxpayer is willing to pay the amount of money it would take to put enough people and equipment on the border to do as your plan would require?
I honestly wish everyone could go spend a week or two with BP Agents or CBP Officers on the border. That way they will have a realistic view of what their job is and how they are doing their job. There’s times when there is only one or two BPA’s trying to round up groups of 20 or more. They go into those situations not knowing whether it’s a group of illegals coming to work or if it’s armed drug smugglers. You should be thankful that there are people who willingly put their lives on the line to do something above and beyond complaining on a blog about what’s being done.\
Scout
October 26th, 2010
6:43 pm
Del:
I just hit ‘em on the flank with some fire team rushes.
Bosch:
If you weren’t bashing Del (this time) then belay that order.
You’re right about ways to serve other than the military. That’s why I added one non-law enforcement civilian agency and three other civilian law enforcement agencies and you can throw in ROTC when I was 18 if you want.
By the way there’s military like (Air Force computer programmer) and military like Del (Marine Recon) ………. Ooo Rah!
Tall
October 26th, 2010
6:45 pm
Kamchak:
You’re nothing more than a stooge for Mr. Bookman’s columns. Either you’re unemployed or retired or worse.
“Evry’thing’s free in America….” Lyric from West Side Story
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
6:46 pm
“Do you think the American taxpayer is willing to pay the amount of money it would take to put enough people and equipment on the border to do as your plan would require? ”
And that’s why I ask the question that no one will answer: how much are the complainers willing to pay in taxes to pay for the enforcement they demand?
Scout
October 26th, 2010
6:46 pm
Southern Comfort:
The point I was trying to make if you owned stock is that there comes a time each year to vote (in person or by proxy). Most often the amount of stock you own determines the weight of your vote.
I would have NO PROBLEM giving every citizen of the U.S. one vote for federal elections including a weighted vote based on your tax returns with a maximum of three full votes. Computers could do that quite easily.
Bosch
October 26th, 2010
6:47 pm
Scout,
Order? You think you can order me to do something? Comments like that is why you deserve no respect old man.