$850 million later, high-tech border fence a failure
The Obama administration has decided to abandon construction of a high-tech “virtual fence” along the Mexico-U.S. border, proclaiming it an expensive failure.
Just as most people expected it to be.
When the so-called Secure Border Initiative was announced back in 2006, President Bush called it “the most technologically advanced border security initiative in American history.”
“The American people are rightfully insistent on the fact that we solve this 30-year-old problem,” Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said. “And this is about a solution which we believe is going to do the job.”
Even at the time, though, most of those paying attention understood the project to be a purely political gesture by the Bush administration, which was eager to tamp down criticism of its immigration policy.
”We’ve been presented with expensive proposals for elaborate border technology that eventually have proven to be ineffective and wasteful,” U.S. Rep. Harold Rogers, R-Kentucky, warned in one 2006 congressional hearing. ”How is the SBI not just another three-letter acronym for failure?”
Eight hundred and fifty million dollars later, Rogers and others have been proved right. Last week, the Governmental Accountability Office released a scathing report on the 53-mile fence project and the performance of its lead contractor. Boeing. The report was the latest in a series of GAO reports dating back to 2007 that pointed out what investigators call “its well-chronicled history of not delivering promised capabilities and benefits on time and within budget.”
“Although some of the individual components perform acceptably, SBInet has failed to deliver on the promise of an integrated system that detects and simultaneously identifies intruders, and then quickly and accurately directs resources to intercept them,” said T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council.
“This is due to unrealistic expectations about the capabilities of current technology, as well as a flawed underlying concept. In their quest to automate border security, the system’s proponents appear to have lost sight of the fact that surveillance technology is incapable of apprehending anything; well-trained and highly-skilled law enforcement officers are necessary to accomplish that task.”
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booger
October 25th, 2010
12:22 pm
$850 million is a big number, but compared to the $850 billion failed stimulus, it’s hardly worth mentioning.
itpdude
October 25th, 2010
12:27 pm
One wonders with W’s commitments to cheap labor for big Ag and big Biz if his administration sought a fence that would do nothing but fail.
stands for decibels
October 25th, 2010
12:28 pm
Booger, you TPers do realize ours is a 14.5 trillion dollar economy, right?
(I’m thinking… not.)
ken R
October 25th, 2010
12:29 pm
I like obamas plan better, put up warning signs.
Red
October 25th, 2010
12:29 pm
Shouldn’t we just annex Mexico and start over by trying to secure the border with Honduras and Belize? Many positives on that front- FBI would gleefully clean up the narcos and stuff.
TINSTAAFL
October 25th, 2010
12:29 pm
For the same price, how long of a real fence could we have built?
People have been building walls and fences for thousands of years for a reason. It works.
godless heathen
October 25th, 2010
12:29 pm
Yet Jay insists we give more money to the government for more such wasting.
stands for decibels
October 25th, 2010
12:31 pm
…and that it didn’t, you know, “fail?”
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010104222/false-things-public-knows-they-go-vote
stands for decibels
October 25th, 2010
12:32 pm
also, this.
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010093502/jobs-romer-leaving-wh-says-more-stimulus-needed-right-says-stimulus-killed-rec
Aquagirl
October 25th, 2010
12:32 pm
“People have been building walls and fences for thousands of years for a reason. It works.”
Flunk history much?
ken R
October 25th, 2010
12:33 pm
If you really want to see what happens on the Borders I suggest you watch Natgeo’s “Border Wars”
It is a good show.
We need to find something that works because we can’t hire enough Agents to secure our Borders.
400,000 illegals caught last year, 192,000 of them had criminal records and 52,000 were not from Mexico.
This is the reason that I am against letting illegals come here and staying here.
stands for decibels
October 25th, 2010
12:34 pm
It works.
snort.
Anyway, I’m sure this is going to be a real farm-fresh, enlightening comments thread on a topic about which people are ever so level-headed, but I gotta go pick lettuce for fitty bucks an hour.
Later.
Jimmy62
October 25th, 2010
12:34 pm
It’s too bad you are so excited about our government’s inability to enforce it’s own laws.
TINSTAAFL
October 25th, 2010
12:34 pm
Aquagirl
Your intellect astounds me daily.
Take a drive through your neighborhood sometime. Notice the large, rectangular shapes outlining the property of many people’s yards. Those, my mentally-challenged friend, are called ‘fences.’ People build them to keep people out, and pets and kids in. For more information, consult your local library.
ken R
October 25th, 2010
12:36 pm
AquaGirl, you are correct, most illegals won’t go into other countries, fences or not, they don’t want to get shot or thrown in Jail.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
12:37 pm
“People have been building walls and fences for thousands of years for a reason. It works”
Actually, no it doesn’t. For reference, check the history of the Great Wall of China…and also, never discount the “25 foot wall, 26 foot ladder” solution.
scrappy
October 25th, 2010
12:37 pm
“People have been building walls and fences for thousands of years for a reason. It works.”
hum… No, not really. Pretty sure every famous border wall that has ever been built, has also failed to keep people secure. Where there is a will, they will find a way to come over, around, or under said wall.
RB from Gwinnett
October 25th, 2010
12:37 pm
Doggie, from below, you and I both know what the dictionary definition of socialism is, but only one of us is paying attention to how a nation gets there. None of the nations mired in it’s failed policies woke up one morning and said, “hey, today lets start being a socialist country”. They got there through the exactl same “compromise” this nations Democrats want every time there is an issue to debate. In reality, it’s just another step toward the definition you’ll find in the dictionary.
It would be foolish to wait until we fit the dictionary definition to start calling you what you are at the core, socialists. By that time it’ll be a little too late.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
12:38 pm
“This is the reason that I am against letting illegals come here and staying here”
OK, no problem…how much more in taxes are you willing to pay to have them all found and deported?
TINSTAAFL
October 25th, 2010
12:39 pm
Doggone,
I’m not sure if you were setting up a straw man there or not, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. You wouldn’t just build a fence, clap your hands together and walk away. Of course you still need border patrol, and some combination of technology.
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m fairly sure the section of the border that has a fence has little to no border crossing problems.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
12:40 pm
“People build them to keep people out, and pets and kids in”
yep, that’s what they build them for…they just don’t work. I used to live in a neighborhood of “row houses” and all down the row of backyards EVERYON had fences. I stood back there one time and watched a big dog go right down the row, jumping over every fence.
Curious Observer
October 25th, 2010
12:40 pm
“Good fences make good neighbors.” Robert Frost
“Show me a 15-foot fence and I’ll show you a 16-foot ladder.” Anonymous
The entire project was an effort to placate the rubes who think it’s possible to police a long border and to apprehend all those who cross it illegally. They’re the same rubes who think it’s possible to round up millions of illegals and ship them across the borders.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
12:41 pm
“but only one of us is paying attention to how a nation gets there”
In otherwords “you know it when you see it” but you can’t actually define it. Why am I not surprised?
TINSTAAFL
October 25th, 2010
12:41 pm
Doggone,
You’re right. I cede the argument. In 100% of cases, fences will be completely ineffective. They have no effect whatsoever on anything at all ever crossing them.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
12:42 pm
“Of course you still need border patrol, and some combination of technology. ”
Ok, granted. How much more in taxes are you willing to pay to have it done? Given that we have something like 20,000 MILES of borders and a great deal of that is WATER, which can’t be fenced.
Scout
October 25th, 2010
12:42 pm
Jay:
It’s because it’s not HIGH VOLTAGE !
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
12:44 pm
“They have no effect whatsoever on anything at all ever crossing them.”
do you always deal in absolutes? They’re quite good at keeping out people who would stay out anyway. And from my experience with my dogs, they do a pretty good job of keeping out dogs that belong to others, keeping MINE IN, not always so much.
Fences are more to define a boundary than they are to protect it…ESPECIALLY when it comes to national borders.
TINSTAAFL
October 25th, 2010
12:44 pm
But tell me this Doggone. Of course you can get a 26 ft ladder for a 25 ft fence, but what will you do when you get down the other side? If anything, a fence will deter many from attempting it, and it will stop all automobile traffic through it. No more jeeps laden with a couple hundred pounds of coke slugging its way through the desert. I’m sure you can at least admit that a wall will have an effect on border crossings by making it significantly tougher.
ken R
October 25th, 2010
12:45 pm
Doggone/Ga, I am not for tracking down everyone, we can ask all illegals to register and get work permits, for say 18 month’s, and if they don’t have records work out a plan for Citizenship, the ones that don’t register and get caught send them back.
We need to stop illegals from coming into our country, but we can’t do that with a Gov’t that doesn’t have any Cajones.
Mickey D
October 25th, 2010
12:45 pm
What a waste, you really think they are walking over to the US, think again, there are coming in from a tunnel which is why the whole fence idea is a bunck of hogwash.
Peadawg
October 25th, 2010
12:46 pm
Build fence(creates jobs). Add electricity. Done. Anyone hungry?
Or put snipers in towers. They won’t dare try to cross if they know they’ll get shot.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
12:46 pm
“If anything, a fence will deter many from attempting it, and it will stop all automobile traffic through it. ”
I suggest you check out the issue of smuggling tunnels. Over, under, through – fences are far too easily circumvented to be of any real use. As you said, it still takes PEOPLE to patrol that border. So answer the question: how much MORE in taxes are YOU willing to pay to have our borders completely secured?
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
12:48 pm
“we can ask all illegals to register and get work permits”
Ok, so you were in favor (as was I) of George Bush’s “Guest Worker program” then?
ken R
October 25th, 2010
12:48 pm
Doggone/Ga that must have been one Hell of a Dog, or the fences were very short.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
12:48 pm
“but we can’t do that with a Gov’t that doesn’t have any Cajones.”
Oh, BTW, NO government has “cajones” if it doesn’t have the money to get the job done.
ken R
October 25th, 2010
12:49 pm
I don’t have a problem with a Guest worker program if it’s handled fairly, for all Nationalities.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
12:49 pm
“They won’t dare try to cross if they know they’ll get shot.”
The experiences of East German “defectors” says otherwise.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
12:50 pm
“Doggone/Ga that must have been one Hell of a Dog, or the fences were very short”
Well, they were 4 foot fences, which is pretty much “standard” backyard fence height – and it was a Doberman.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
12:51 pm
For the same price, how long of a real fence could we have built?
Doesn’t work. Ask CBP personnel who work in Nogales, AZ. They will tell you firsthand, not to park in areas right at the fence unless you want your hood and roof damaged everyday. Fences do not work without someone to apprehend the jumpers on the other side.
If you really want to see what happens on the Borders I suggest you watch Natgeo’s “Border Wars”
It is a good show.
Ken, it is a good “show”, but it does not give the whole story. If you really want the complete story, it’s best to get it firsthand from BP Agents who live that life day in and day out.
NowReally
October 25th, 2010
12:51 pm
If walls or fences worked, we wouldn’t have prison breaks. If there is a will, there is a way.
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
12:51 pm
The Luddite Reagan had his colossal failure known as SDI.
The Luddite Bush had his colossal failure known as SBI. (Though in Ronnie’s defense at least he didn’t have endless serial failures like George)
Both were all hat, no cattle…
ken R
October 25th, 2010
12:51 pm
We scan find money for Wall Street but can’t find any to keep our own streets safe. Right
Aquagirl
October 25th, 2010
12:51 pm
Tin, if you can’t differentiate a yard fence from a border fence, there’s not much help for you.
godless heathen
October 25th, 2010
12:52 pm
$850 million. Entire Mexico / US border is 1969 miles. At almost 1/2 $million a mile, I could build a pretty good fence.
Another example of how giving money to big government is like giving alcohol and car keys to Kennedys.
ken R
October 25th, 2010
12:54 pm
SouthernComfort, I agree with you, however not knowing any Agents I can only watch the show, they have a tough Job.
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
12:54 pm
As for the dollar amount involved, that is not the issue.
The issue is a major political party that is constantly willing to do either nothing at all to resolve a complex problem or as a backup, to do the most simplistic, ineffective and misguided thing possible.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
12:54 pm
Exhibit A on why fences alone do not protect the border.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
12:56 pm
ken
I have an insider advantage when it comes to watching that show. It’s a good show, and it gives a better insight into the job that Border Patrol and CBP does when compared to previous shows, but it’s not complete. Some areas are non-stop action, while others are hit or miss.
LydiasDad
October 25th, 2010
12:56 pm
It’s called a self-fulfilling prophecy. Insist that it’s going to fail, and then make sure it does. There’s no reason for the fence to fail, unless the administrators want it to. It’s all politically correct, pro-illegal nonsense, and more Americans will die because of the it.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
12:57 pm
“I stood back there one time and watched a big dog go right down the row, jumping over every fence.”
Well!!! That solves it then…fences don’t work!!!
Glad I moved out of Georgia
October 25th, 2010
12:57 pm
RB from Gwinnett
I now understand why the “Gwinnett is Great” water tower was torn down. I will now use your same broad brush but use a different color paint. I guess you Republicans are frustrated that Bush is not in the White House to bomb first and damn any compromise. P.S. Being social does not equate to socialism.
Mr_B
October 25th, 2010
12:57 pm
RB: the truth is that the citizens of many socialist countries did wake up one morning, walk to a polling place and use a free ballot to put a socialist government in power. Many of those also voted out socialist governments, sometimes for economic ineptitude, sometimes for other reasons.
But then, they hadn’t been taught that socialism was EEEEEVVIIIIL!!!!!! and instead tought it was one possible way of organizing an ecomony so that it worked better for more people.
Hey Bookman have a beer
October 25th, 2010
12:58 pm
Blame it all on Bush. Bookman you are such a hack. Stand up to Cynthia for once in your life.
Aquagirl
October 25th, 2010
1:01 pm
“At almost 1/2 $million a mile, I could build a pretty good fence.”
And for about $20 someone can get through it.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
1:01 pm
AmVet – “The Luddite Bush had his colossal failure known as SBI.”
Um, you’re putting this whole thing on Dubbya? Why? Jay clarly points out that Obama wanted to finish it and proclaimed it to be wonderful. If he didn’t beleive in it, then he should have abandoned the program, much like his Gitmo stance….oh, wait, that didn’t work either…
Normal
October 25th, 2010
1:02 pm
Sniper towers, huh?
Read a story one time where some Mexican fanatics wanted Texas, Arizona, and New mexico back, so they started an invasion of illegals to lead the way. Our government got hold of the plan and sent its forces to stop the invasion at any cost. trouble was, the mexican fanatics sent women and children to cross….don’t care who you are, it’s hard to shoot a woman or a child…just saying.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
1:02 pm
There’s no reason for the fence to fail, unless the administrators want it to. It’s all politically correct, pro-illegal nonsense, and more Americans will die because of the it.
Do you mean more Americans dying like these:
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/border_patrol/border_patrol_officer_memorial/chron_listing_agents/
Do you think that Americans go to work everyday to purposely fail on the job just to prove your point?? Why don’t you go to the Sonoran Desert and pull a 90 day detail and see if you can make it fail too.
scrappy
October 25th, 2010
1:02 pm
Hundreds of people a year drown crossing the Rio Grande trying to get into the country. If the very real possibility of drowning doesn’t deter people, what makes you think fence will?
Why aren’t we hearing more screaming about the waste of tax dollars on this? Because apparently the perception of border security is more important than the reality of it.
JKL2
October 25th, 2010
1:04 pm
Doggone- The experiences of East German “defectors” says otherwise.
Nothing is perfect. Was the Berlin wall a deterent to crossing the border? Absolutely. Our current policy has no deterent on the border and basically no punishment for getting caught. I can’t believe our problems aren’t worse than they already are.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
1:04 pm
“That solves it then…fences don’t work!!!”
Ah HA – yet another dealer in absolutes.
ROY BARNES
October 25th, 2010
1:05 pm
Needs to be electric!!
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
1:05 pm
Normal – “Sniper towers, huh? the mexican fanatics sent women and children to cross”
They wouldn’t send them now if they knew there were going to get shot at. Besides, its the men who are the bread winners, not the women.
Confucius Say
October 25th, 2010
1:05 pm
The best virtual fence is one that invokes fear of loss of life at the least possible cost. Two options that come to mind are signs posted stating either, “Warning! US Artillery Range!” or “Warning! Minefield!”
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
1:05 pm
“Ah HA – yet another dealer in absolutes.”
Just following the Left-nut template!!!
Night Train
October 25th, 2010
1:06 pm
Dig a moat from the Gulf of Mexico all the way to the Pacific. 60 feet wide and 6-10 feet deep. Fill it with water, gators and crocodiles. Take the dirt from digging the moat and use it to fill in New Orleans. Solves three problems at once.
1- Gives us a more secure border. Not completely secure but better than it is now.
2- Raises the level of New Orleans to help prevent flooding.
3- Creates a habitat for gators and crocodiles.
In a few years there might be some record setting large gators and crocodiles. Great for hunting and making boots.
JKL2
October 25th, 2010
1:07 pm
Normal- it’s hard to shoot a woman or a child
It’s easy. You just don’t lead them as much…
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
1:08 pm
“Dig a moat from the Gulf of Mexico all the way to the Pacific”
How much more in taxes are you willing to pay, to pay for your “big ditch”?
Mick
October 25th, 2010
1:08 pm
Chicken little – the sky is falling, the sky is falling, some repubs – the socialists are coming, the socialists are coming….
Why not create military outposts all along the border for troop training in harsh desert conditions. As a by product the border gets enforced by boots on the ground
Shawny
October 25th, 2010
1:08 pm
Stupid waste of money for that crap.
Build a double wall fence that isn’t scalable, and viola!
joe
October 25th, 2010
1:08 pm
If our fed govt (Bush/Obama both to blame for doing next to nothing) would “man up” and put some troops on the border, we wouldn’t be wasting our time discussing stupid govt programs that fail miserably. Don’t need a fence if there someone there with an AK-47. The illegals would stop in their tracks.
RW-(the original)
October 25th, 2010
1:09 pm
Just slap an ARRA sign on it and call it a success.
Jackie
October 25th, 2010
1:09 pm
@Scout
You are a Viet Nam vet and you know that putting up wire around any compound did not work. The VC constantly penetrated the razor wire, foo-gas, Claymore mines, shotguns, starlight scopes and other military devices to keep them out.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
1:10 pm
JKL2 – “t’s easy. You just don’t lead them as much…”
LOL.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
1:10 pm
“As a by product the border gets enforced by boots on the ground”
To the best of my knowledge, the Posse Comitatus law prevents Federal troops from being used for any sort of law enforcement. They can only be used to protect our borders from a military invasion.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
1:10 pm
How much more in taxes are you willing to pay, to pay for your “big ditch”?
lol!!!!!
Whether it’s more boots on the ground, a high tech fence, or a big ditch, the solution to the problem will not come without a price tag. The root question should be, as Doggone put it, how much of your tax money are you willing to spend to find a solution?
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
1:11 pm
Dog – “How much more in taxes are you willing to pay, to pay for your “big ditch”?”
You sure are on the “how much more in taxes are you willing to pay” kick day aren’t you? For an $850M project, the answer is zero, the money is already there, you just gotta find it.
Night Train
October 25th, 2010
1:13 pm
Doggone, Digging the moat should not cost very much. We could use all the illegals that we catch. Instead of deporting them right a way, sentence them to a year digging the moat. Just have prison guards on the US side. If they try and escape, they can only run south… into Mexico and back home. Catch them here a second time they get 2 years working on the moat… wearing leg irons.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
1:15 pm
All this moat-digging non-sense is really giving me a good laugh…..keep it up!
JKL2
October 25th, 2010
1:16 pm
We already have the technology to solve the preoblem. We call them predator strikes. Works in Pakistan, I’m sure they would work here.
Me Again
October 25th, 2010
1:17 pm
Obama’s plan? Grant amnesty.
larry
October 25th, 2010
1:19 pm
850 million is how much we have already spent on this project.
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
1:20 pm
A fence huh? lol. Two questions. How tall? How deep? lol Ever heard of a tunnel????
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
1:20 pm
We already have the technology to solve the preoblem. We call them predator strikes. Works in Pakistan, I’m sure they would work here.
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Navy, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain “law and order” on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.
The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act.
King of the world
October 25th, 2010
1:20 pm
Just when we thought the illegal aliens were kept out, the fence let them back in. (The GodGringo, Part Duh.)
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
1:21 pm
Ok, that was 3 questions. Had to add the last one to make sure the “fencers” could follow the logic.
Jackie
October 25th, 2010
1:21 pm
What is the plan to deal with illegal aliens who have served in a war support by the so-called conservatives?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hA64ehSM_gMiIll-3uIy5nQslsYg?docId=2baf89df6bbf495397d9b8727b20eb74
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October 25th, 2010
1:22 pm
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Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
1:24 pm
“For an $850M project, the answer is zero, the money is already there, you just gotta find it”
Apparently you are forgetting that THAT money is already spent – on a FAILED project. How much are YOU willing to pay in taxes to replace it?
Granny Godzilla
October 25th, 2010
1:24 pm
Speaking of failures…so were Bob Jindahls berns….
And they want to be in charge of the national wallet…..
Paulo977
October 25th, 2010
1:27 pm
Amnesty …YES!!!
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
1:27 pm
Guy, don’t hold me culpable for your desire to give GWB a free pass in these matters.
Yes, GWB II has followed many of his leads. Surging in Afghanistan, Gitmo, keeping the fascistic suspension of habeus corpus in place, etc, etc etc. Exactly as I predicted and exactly as the neo-cons mispredicted. But then they were so spectacularly wrong about GWB I, that it is not in the least surprising.
Had BushCorp not stupidly implemented these serial failures, his half-black nephew could not have furthered them. His mistake is the one most spineless Dems make now. They are so intimidated into being Republican-lites that they come across as equally incompetent.
And that is why they are going to pay the piper in a couple of weeks.
Blame
it allnothing on Bush.Jackie
October 25th, 2010
1:28 pm
The support of the “free enterprise” mantra put forth by the Repubs is rooted in the fact that large companies want cheap labor and will punish the American worker to maintain/grow their profits.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/120608dnmetwebvigilantes.3e8f989.html
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
1:28 pm
For those who feel the border is broken, here’s your chance or opportunity to correct the problems you see:
Vacancy Ann #:BPA 11-1
Who May Apply:Public
Pay Plan:GL-1896/05-09
Appointment Term:Permanent
Job Status:Full-Time
Opening Date:10/01/2010
Salary Range:From $38,619.00 to $63,259.00 USD per year
If you pass the test, I’m almost certain you will get a job offer. This is your opportunity to help seal the borders. Act Quickly!!!!!
DebbieDoRight
October 25th, 2010
1:28 pm
People have been building walls and fences for thousands of years for a reason. It works.
Doesn’t work for Israel on the West Bank……and it’s not working here……
How do you cross a heavily guarded border? By going underneath it.
That’s the lesson of the Gaza tunnels, which we explored in January and February. It’s the key to undersea drug smuggling and terrorism via submarines. And it’s happening along the U.S.-Mexico land border, too. William Booth of the Washington Post, who brought us the latest on drug-running submersibles, has an update from U.S. Border Patrol agents in Arizona:
In the past nine months, they have discovered 16 new tunnels dug by smugglers in Nogales to move drugs, migrants, cash and weapons between Mexico and the United States. The number of tunnels sets a new record. … The digging has become so extensive beneath Nogales that the southbound traffic lane through the international port of entry collapsed. “Before that, the parking lot at the customs office caved in,” Howells said. “They collapse all the time.”
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/humannature/archive/tags/tunnels/default.aspx
Whacks Eloquent
October 25th, 2010
1:31 pm
Night Train,
You forgot advantage #4…lowering sea levels worldwide to counteract polar ice melting due to global warming/climate change!
Oh, and advantage #5 – it can be an alternate to the Panama Canal!
Getting thru the Sierra Madres will be a bit tough though…
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
1:32 pm
“Works in Pakistan, I’m sure they would work here”
I suggest you check into how much they cost per strike, then muliply that against using them on ALL of our borders. As you willing to pay more in taxes to pay for them all?
Keep up the good fight!
October 25th, 2010
1:33 pm
You can’t argue with stupidy….build the dang fence and waste more money. Then watch as the GOP/Tea Terrorists heckle real infrastructure projects and double down on the stupidity.
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
1:35 pm
“Obama’s plan? Grant amnesty.”
I see comparisons between him and Ronnie all the time.
This granting of amnesty and holding American business interests completely blameless for employing “illegals” could be another!
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
1:36 pm
Granny Godzilla
October 25th, 2010
1:24 pm
Speaking of failures…so were Bob Jindahls berms….
Very good analogy. We’re in trouble if we let the “hair on fire” “do something, anything” crowd that never thinks trough their ideas.
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
1:40 pm
Vitual fence! Thats like having virtual sex isnt it? I wanted a wall with barbed wire and armed patrols until the problem is resolved.
DebbieDoRight
October 25th, 2010
1:41 pm
jackie:What is the plan to deal with illegal aliens who have served in a war support by the so-called conservatives?
jackie – i saw that same article last night was thinking the same thing (great minds thinking alike and all….) Wouldn’t it be hilarious if we Americans pass all these anti-immigration laws, have no one willing to go and fight our wars with/for us, and then have to re-instate the draft? I wonder how many pro-everything-government-tea-people, would relish their children/grands being drafted? Come to think of it, I wonder how many of the Pro-war republican religious reich have volunteered since 2001?
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
1:42 pm
How would you pay for it willie???
King of the world
October 25th, 2010
1:43 pm
You can no more keep illegal aliens out with an $850 million dollar fence, than you can keep space aliens from crossing the van allen radiation belt, which costed over a billion dollars and which the Repudlickans built using Cheney cronies and Bush Fat Cats. That’s why we chanted “Klatu Mirada Nikto” at Woodstock, man. It’s the only way to keep ET out.
DebbieDoRight
October 25th, 2010
1:44 pm
I see comparisons between him and Ronnie all the time.
Between Obama and St. Ronnie of the Alzheimers? BLASPHEMY!!!
Scout
October 25th, 2010
1:45 pm
Here’s the bottom line folks.
If a group of scientists invented let’s say a “super dooper magnetic field” fence that was cheap and easy to operate and that would keep ANYONE from penetrating it …………. the liberals would go beserk !
King of the world
October 25th, 2010
1:45 pm
Huffington lifts material from my blog too. I could be the most influential writer today.
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
1:45 pm
“In the past nine months, they have discovered 16 new tunnels dug by smugglers in Nogales to move drugs, migrants, cash and weapons between Mexico and the United States.”
The key is we found them. It takes more effort to build a tunnel than to walk across a ‘no fence’ border. Building more fence costs money! Well, it would if we hired illegals and financed by the Chinese companies. I thought someone said liberals thought about stuff before they said it.
Producer
October 25th, 2010
1:47 pm
Simple solution. We have around 2000 miles of southern border with Mexico. We put troops there, lets say 50,000 along the entire thing. 90% of Illegal immigration ceases immediately. Suspend to Posse Comitatus Act for this particular circumstance. Do it by executive order. Forget Congress. Just do it. Suspend all legal immigration for five years. Another executive order. During this time round up the criminal immigrants and send them home. Don’t have the troops? Implement a Special Draft for border security. The first politician who has the stones to say he’ll do this wins election to office by landslide .
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
1:48 pm
“Come to think of it, I wonder how many of the Pro-war republican religious reich have volunteered since 2001?”
It runs about 3% of the population in my area! Of course if you count the liberals who serve three years to get the GI bill it may rise to 3.0001%.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
1:49 pm
Dog – “Apparently you are forgetting that THAT money is already spent – on a FAILED project. How much are YOU willing to pay in taxes to replace it?”
All I was saying was, that for another project that cost about the same (in this case, $850M), I would pay zero in additional taxes. The money is already there, go find it.
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
1:49 pm
DebbieDoRight
October 25th, 2010
1:44 pm
Your so funny! As Novembe 2, closes you will get even more funnier!
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
1:51 pm
AmVet – “Guy, don’t hold me culpable for your desire to give GWB a free pass in these matters.”
I would never do such a thing!
john
October 25th, 2010
1:53 pm
“”The report was the latest in a series of GAO reports dating back to 2007 that pointed out what investigators call “its well-chronicled history of not delivering promised capabilities and benefits on time and within budget”"
But hey, lets basically expand Medicaid and throw a TRILLION dollars at healthcare. Does anyone pay attention to history??
Keep up the good fight!
October 25th, 2010
1:53 pm
When are we going to stop those illegal Canadians! Let’s see —
$850 million for 52 miles
Fixing the 52 miles — still waiting
Expanding 52 miles to 5,525 miles plus 1969 miles for Mexico…plus then we have to cover the ocean seaports and ocean front.
Whos got the credit card? Willie?….Oh I bet Scout can take it from church collectons.
Why it would be cheaper to melt the glaciers and shrink the continent so that the country is smaller….oh wait, they have that in the works already.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
1:54 pm
Keep Up – “Then watch as the GOP/Tea Terrorists heckle”
Tea Terrosits? Wow, that is one of the lamest things I’ve ever seen.
john
October 25th, 2010
1:54 pm
Actually that sentence “its well-choronicled history of not delievering promised capabilities and benefits on time and within budget” really should be changed to the definition of our government in general
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
1:55 pm
This has got to be one of the funniest threads ever….
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
1:55 pm
Debbie – “pro-everything-government-tea-people”
That just doesn’t make a lick of sense.
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
1:58 pm
Don’t Forget
October 25th, 2010
1:42 pm
“How would you pay for it willie???”
I would have gun shows and the profits would build the fence.
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
2:00 pm
Keep up the good fight!
October 25th, 2010
1:53 pm
Remember we have a 14.1T dollar economy without raising taxes.
Jefferson
October 25th, 2010
2:01 pm
Could have outsourced it. Cost just as much, still a bad idea, BUT now the politicians can get kickbacks and donations from the contractors who paid less people, but kept more money. And why is unemployment so high — greed.
ken R
October 25th, 2010
2:02 pm
Granny, Jindals Berms may have helped a little, but at least he tried, he didn’t go out and play Golf or Yachting. Obama didn’t do anything until Fox and other News outlets chastized him along with James Carville.
You stepped in Poo on that one.
Keep up the good fight!
October 25th, 2010
2:02 pm
Nice Guy….well let’s see. When a Tea Party/Republican candidate threatens that if the election does not go as they want, then armed revolution is “ON the table”, I would say that is terrorist talk. And when that terrorist has appeared on Beck (a 9/12er speaker in TX and appeared on his program) and for Michelle Bachman, I guess guilt by association comes around to bite the tea partiers.
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
2:02 pm
We could use prison inmates to build it. Lower federal employees salaries and benefits. That should do it.
Bosch
October 25th, 2010
2:04 pm
So, this fence was about as epic a failure as RB’s attempt at defining what he thinks socialism is. Or isn’t.
He should consult the billboards as he’s done in the past.
DebbieDoRight
October 25th, 2010
2:04 pm
willie: It runs about 3% of the population in my area! Of course if you count the liberals who serve three years to get the GI bill it may rise to 3.0001%.
OMG!! willie that’s a comedy classic right there!!! Why are you wasting your time on this blog when you can be on “The Last Comic Standing?!” You can call yourself the “really oogly ultra right comic” and wear a bag over your head!!!
As Novembe 2, closes you will get even more funnier!
oh willie, i can never compare to some of the gems you drop on this blog!! why some of the stuff you say and people you quote, just smells up this blog something fierce with your (half) wit!!
NG: That just doesn’t make a lick of sense.
Neither do they……
Bosch
October 25th, 2010
2:05 pm
“Obama didn’t do anything until Fox and other News outlets chastized him along with James Carville.”
Bullsh*t.
Next?
DebbieDoRight
October 25th, 2010
2:07 pm
willie: I would have gun shows and the profits would build the fence.
OMG willie!! You go too far with the comedy man!! That^^^is so far out there, if I didn’t know you were all about the laughs, I’d think you were nuts!!
HINT: there’s a fine line between comedic gold and insanity. Bow Down.
ken R
October 25th, 2010
2:09 pm
Sorry Bosch, the truth hurts, you can’t admit it, you would rather show how educated you are by swearing.
Liberals must be proud of you today!
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
2:09 pm
Keep Up @ 2:02
Ok….got it.
Lame.
DebbieDoRight
October 25th, 2010
2:09 pm
We could use prison inmates to build it. Lower federal employees salaries and benefits. That should do it.
can’t stop laughing……………can’t stop laughing……………………
Bosch
October 25th, 2010
2:09 pm
ken,
The only truths in the world is that you were born, and one day you’ll die.
Next?
Scout
October 25th, 2010
2:10 pm
“Wee doan neeeed no steenking bajjes” !
It is 7 days, 5 hours, 52 minutes !!
Scout
October 25th, 2010
2:11 pm
Bosch:
You left out one.
“And face your maker”
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
2:11 pm
“Liberals must be proud of you today!”
Oh goody…I’ll be right back, I’m going to get some popcorn for this one….
Granny Godzilla
October 25th, 2010
2:12 pm
ken r
nope did not, no poop on my sneakers
but bobby did, the $$$ to pay for them went to his #3 donor….
as far as golfing goes, after Bush said he’d quit and he didn’t you still wanna go there?
The administration response was certainly not perfect, but at lead the head of FEMA wasn’t into show horses this time….
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
2:12 pm
“can’t stop laughing……………can’t stop laughing”
Get ahold of yourself Deb, it’s not lady like to loose control like that…
ken R
October 25th, 2010
2:12 pm
Butch, err Bosch,I am not afraid to die, and you are a complete Moron.
Keep up the good fight!
October 25th, 2010
2:13 pm
Nice guy…yes we agree…the tea party includes racists, terrorists, nazis and just plain lame fools…. tea partiers have their own version of the constitution…tea partiers/republicans preach hate against muslims/gays/hispanics…yes..we have the picture and at this angle it is simple bewitching.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
2:15 pm
We could use prison inmates to build it. Lower federal employees salaries and benefits. That should do it.
Inmates:
#1 Which inmates? Are you going to put murderers and rapists on the border and risk escape?
#2 Who’s going to guard the inmates, how many guards will be used, and how much will it cost to provide guards?
As far as lowering federal employee salaries and benefits, I’ll repeat part of my 1:28 post for reference.
From my 1:28 post:
Salary Range:From $38,619.00 to $63,259.00 USD per year
If DHS can not get enough bodies at $38k per year, what makes you think that lowering the pay will somehow increase the number of qualified applicants? Is that the same as cutting taxes to increase jobs?
DebbieDoRight
October 25th, 2010
2:15 pm
willie, I’m outtie for a few, but you keep up the good work and keep this blog safe from those bad illegal aliens ok? When I get back, could you please explain how you’d cut Federal Employees salaries, (like the MILITARY, the FBI, BORDER PATROL, etc.) and STILL get them to work in those sectors for less money but the same amount of inherent dangers? Then, could you also explain who’d replace the one’s who’d leave and say F##k this?!! Thanks!
Bosch
October 25th, 2010
2:16 pm
Ken,
“I am not afraid to die”
And? Your point? Other than I’m a moron? Do you think that calling me that makes you somehow morally superior than me typing “sh*t?”
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
2:16 pm
Keep Up – “tea partiers/republicans preach hate against muslims/gays/hispanics”
“the tea party includes racists, terrorists, nazis and just plain lame fools”
Sigh….ok, Keep, ok.
Blah Blah Blah Everyday
October 25th, 2010
2:19 pm
Not sure why you people are even commenting on this. Don’t you know that if Granny Godzilla or Aquagirl or the other CT homers think something should be one way, that there is no arguement that can equal theirs and that your automatically some kind of racist scum bag for even thinking it? Jesus, some of you people really need to get back to work and stop arguing the same points over and over and over every freaking day. And yes, there are plenty of things the government could do to protect the border of its own country, but they won’t because the more democrats the better. And no, I am NOT a republican.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
2:21 pm
And yes, there are plenty of things the government could do to protect the border of its own country, but they won’t because the more democrats the better. And no, I am NOT a republican.
BADA BING
October 25th, 2010
2:21 pm
Get a clue people, walls, and moats, and fences are not built to stop every person. They are built to SLOW down the attackers, cause them to use resources to overcome them, and to make them slower moving targets. Every defence can be overcome, you want it to be more trouble than it is worth. If you want to make an electric fence, just power it for 12 hours a day. Random off and on pulses makes for tons of fun.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
2:21 pm
Dang Blah, Blah, Blah @ 2:19. Let it out brother, let it out.
Bosch
October 25th, 2010
2:22 pm
SoCo,
Not quite worthy of an “Oh my freaking God” but close — the eye roll works….says it all…..
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
2:23 pm
“Random off and on pulses makes for tons of fun.”
and $2 lighted tester will tell you in about 1/2 second when it’s on and when it isn’t.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
2:24 pm
Bosch
I thought about breaking out my translator, but it would not have been worth the effort.
Granny Godzilla
October 25th, 2010
2:24 pm
Blah Blah Blah Everyday
And I remember when he was “blah blah blah last week”….
JDW
October 25th, 2010
2:26 pm
“People have been building walls and fences for thousands of years for a reason. It works.”
Tell that to China, they built the Great Wall and still got overrun.
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
2:27 pm
To BADA’s point, well done BushCorp on your southern Maginot Line.
How the hell, did bumbling, history ignorant fools like these ever even get elected?
Keep up the good fight!
October 25th, 2010
2:28 pm
Of course we need a fence…the solution of going after those who employer’s who hire illegals with fines, penalties and jail time, well that does not line corporate america’s pockets.
King of the world
October 25th, 2010
2:31 pm
A race of David Copperfields managed to penetrate the GReat Wall and destroyed all of China in 1262 (ming dynasty) during the Boxer Rebellion. THat’s why the Ming Dynasty was so brief. Wall should be elastic so’s they don’ts breaks.
JKL2
October 25th, 2010
2:31 pm
Nice guy…yes we agree…the Democrat party includes racists, terrorists, socialist, communists and just plain lame fools…. Democrats have their own version of the constitution…Democrats preach hate against Religion/whites/families…yes..we have the picture and at this angle it is simple bewitching.
BADA BING
October 25th, 2010
2:34 pm
The best idea yet….make a “WIPEOUT” type course the entire length of the border. Water slides, zip lines, greased poles, spinning obstacles, etc. Anyone that makes it gets to stay. Losers go home, no second chances. Film it.
Hankie Aron
October 25th, 2010
2:34 pm
Doggone, i have read every post of yours, and every idea is shot down with how much tax dollars are you willing to spend? What is YOUR plan or idea for stopping the Illegal Immigration?
Hankie Aron
October 25th, 2010
2:35 pm
You sound like the man of no otherwise………….
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
2:35 pm
BADA
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
2:36 pm
Keep Up – “the solution of going after those who employer’s who hire illegals with fines, penalties and jail time, well that does not line corporate america’s pockets.”
Remember that us citizens benefit from lower cost of goods as well. So be careful, you’ve already looked like a fool once today.
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
2:38 pm
BADA, love that show! My son and I LOAO at it. Though it is still a distant second to my favorite – MXC (Most Extreme Elimination Challenge), where Japanese people really bust their _____ with regularity and the cheese factor is second to none…
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
2:38 pm
” What is YOUR plan or idea for stopping the Illegal Immigration?”
It was already proposed, and shot down by THAT President’s own party: a usable Guest Worker program
Keep up the good fight!
October 25th, 2010
2:40 pm
us citizens benefit from lower cost of goods as well
Well there you have it. Corporations make profits from illegals, consumers may save some money…but taxpayers should pay for a fence and more silliness….
Silliness and terrorism make a fine whine.
BADA BING
October 25th, 2010
2:40 pm
Build the wall as tall as possible. Anyone that climbs it gets detained and not allowed to breed. A few generations and there will be no climbers left. Darwinism at work in the real world.
Bosch
October 25th, 2010
2:41 pm
Don’t look now Doggone, but it looks like someone’s gotta crush on you!
ken R
October 25th, 2010
2:41 pm
This just in, Obamas deficit commission panel is considering the elimination of interest on Mortgages and the deductions for children. This should sit real well with the middle class and poor people.
jt
October 25th, 2010
2:42 pm
Remember Chertoff.? The first top-goon of DHS?
850 million dollars is chump change compared to what “porno-scanners” are going to cost us at airports. And Chertoff will be making the most. Chertoff’s role in promoting these scanners to the public as safety devices while his consulting company represented AS&E and RapiScan as the top scanner companies for the government is just standard operating procedure for ex government hacks.
Remember this the next time some mouth-breathing TSA goon is porno-scanning your daughter or wife.
After all, she should COULD be a terrorist.
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
2:42 pm
Keep at 2:28, I know of no insanely misnamed fiscal conservative who will touch that topic with a 3.084 meter pole.
To Hankie’s point, stop the tens of thousands of business owners from employing and profiting from “illegals” and MUCH of the problem goes away.
And for thirty years we’ve tried the idiotic Republican mantra of “Let the free market police itself” and that is exactly why we are where we are now.
Nope, the federal and state cops that were taken off of the beat are going to have to be re-instituted and a whole bunch of law-breaking business owners are gonna have to do time in a federal or state penitentiary.
That is the first and most effective tool in our arsenal…
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
2:43 pm
“but taxpayers should pay for a fence and more silliness”
Some would call that an attempt at homeland security.
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
2:47 pm
Regarding my 2:42,
OR we could just do it the BushCorp way.
Allow banksters and casino capitalists to damn near destroy the entire American economy and then in an avalanche of trickle-down economics, hemorrhage millions of jobs thereby eliminating the need for these illegals…
Keep up the good fight!
October 25th, 2010
2:48 pm
But..but..AmVet, what about the profits and the cheap prices. You want to reduce demand and you think that will reduce supply? Socialist! The only answer is to spend more with corporations looking to build fences for fools. It is unamerican not to build the dang fence. Corporations that violate law should never be punished…its in the constitution right?
Gale
October 25th, 2010
2:50 pm
KenR @2:41 – Dropping the mortgage interest deduction would stop many people from buying a house in the first place. That would certainly NOT help the housing market.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
2:51 pm
Keep up – “Corporations that violate law should never be punished…its in the constitution right?”
What the F are you talking about dude? And what point are you trying to make?
Now you got AmVet all excited….
Randalph
October 25th, 2010
2:52 pm
Another failure for Barry and his team? No way!
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
2:52 pm
Remember this the next time some mouth-breathing TSA goon is porno-scanning your daughter or wife.
There you go badmouthing your fellow Americans again. I don’t know why you continue to try to disparage people who are going to work and trying to make a living for themselves. Do you not realize that the TSA employees that are actually in the airport and visible to the public are NOT the ones making the operational decisions? Not that I would expect anything different from you, but how would you like it if someone dogged you about your job?
Jackie
October 25th, 2010
2:54 pm
@Debbie
Did you notice the number of keyboard warriors pronounce their “support for the troops” when it was mentioned there are illegal aliens fighting for this country in Iraq and Afghanistan?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 25th, 2010
2:54 pm
$850 million wasted. That stinks.
How much have we wasted since the birth of LBJ’s “Great Society” programs in 1964?
Randalph
October 25th, 2010
2:55 pm
Randalph’s plan:
Put up two ten foot high fences 45 feet apart
Place landmines in the middle
Have guards patrol fence every 2 hours in vehicles
See how easy that is?
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
2:56 pm
Corporations that violate law should never be punished…its in the constitution right?
One would have to ask these maroons who when confronted with the irrefutable and MASSIVE corporate crime statistics over the past three decades, play the “evil” corporation card.
As for your original question, I’m not certain, but I do know it is in the Declaration of Independence.
“…that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the General Dynamics, by the General Electrics, for the General Motors, shall not perish from the earth.
Scout
October 25th, 2010
2:56 pm
Assorted Headlines:
“Rhode Island Democrat: Obama can ‘take his endorsement and shove it’…”
” ‘He (Obama) ignored us and now he’s coming into Rhode Island treating us like ATM machine’… ”
“Debt Has Increased $5 Trillion Since Speaker Pelosi Vowed, ‘No New Deficit Spending’…”
“(BILL) CLINTON PLAYS TO HIGH SCHOOL GYM: TWO-THIRDS EMPTY”
“Obama panel mulls end to mortgage interest, child tax deductions… ”
“Top Dem calls White House ’sloppy and unprofessional’ ”
“Former Marine chief doubts Afghan timetable”
Well, well, well ……………. trouble in paradise.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 25th, 2010
2:57 pm
“Debt Has Increased $5 Trillion Since Speaker Pelosi Vowed, ‘No New Deficit Spending’…”
Kind of makes that $850 million fence sort of look like chump change, doesn’t it?
Scout
October 25th, 2010
2:58 pm
Jackie:
It’s called the “American Foreign Legion”. The French have one too.
Randalph
October 25th, 2010
2:58 pm
Place same fence on the TN/SC/AL/TN Borders as well…just sayin’
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 25th, 2010
2:59 pm
Of course this won’t count as a “tax increase” for Obama now will it?
“Obama panel mulls end to mortgage interest, child tax deductions… “
Del
October 25th, 2010
2:59 pm
I don’t believe a fence high tech virtual or physical would ever be sufficiently effective. I think we need to mount a military operation into Mexico and establish a buffer zone of 50 to 100 miles inside the Mexican border. Clear the border towns of drug cartel operations, mine the remote egress / regress routs, establish multiple military check points on all roads going to and from the U.S. border . Employ both high technology and boots on the ground surveillance 24/7. After we have that in place and operational we can then incept an orderly guest worker program. All illegal aliens would be required to return to their countries of origin and apply for guest worker status. All illegal’s failing to comply who’re apprehended would automatically be deported and permanently band from ever entering the United States. All employers who hire illegals would be heavily fined and those employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens would be charged with a criminal felony offense. The Mexican government and its citizens would be warned that all entry into the United States must take place through approved roads and check points to and from the American border. Armed military patrols both on the ground and in the air will have shoot to kill orders and anyone observed attempting to enter the United States in a manner other than through the approved roads and check points will be subject to those orders. All those who have applied for immigration into the United States and who’ve been on the waiting list would have first consideration for guest worker status in the United States while their visas are still in process.
jt
October 25th, 2010
3:00 pm
Southern Comfor
Dude, if you are porno-scanning 13 year old girls or 89 year old grandmothers then you deserve derision. I do not care about some other government ruler concerned about “racial profiling”.
The nuremburg defense does not work.
If you yourself can rationalize , that is fine. Don’t expect everyone else to.
Randalph
October 25th, 2010
3:00 pm
What are we going to call the New Legion formed by those who come back in after Don’t Ask/Don’t tell?
Scout
October 25th, 2010
3:00 pm
Scout
It is 7 days, 5 hours, 52 minutes !!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 25th, 2010
3:00 pm
“CARTER: America hasn’t improved much over past 3 decades… ”
He would have been equally correct by saying “over the past 34 years”.
Scout
October 25th, 2010
3:02 pm
Randalph:
I don’t know but their division motto will be “Never Leave Your Buddy’s Behind”.
TnGelding
October 25th, 2010
3:04 pm
Well, I didn’t like the idea to begin with, but I don’t think they’ve given it enough time. Clearly it’s politics on all sides. The Great Wall of America? Nah. The recession has accomplished what INS couldn’t, but those here illegally need to go home and make their countries better places to live.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
3:05 pm
porno scanning??? First, it’s gender on gender screening. Second, everyone who undergoes screening DOES NOT go thru a full body scan. Also, if you do not like the screening process, you do not have to fly. As far as I can recall, flying is not a right guaranteed by law, it is a privilege paid for by the person who chooses to fly. You’re free to talk about anybody or everybody you feel like. If you think the process is so friggin’ bad, then why don’t you come up with a better process to screen 100% of persons flying that works. Free interprise at work, dude!!
Bosch
October 25th, 2010
3:05 pm
Are Scout and Randalph the same person? @ 3:00?
Bill Womack
October 25th, 2010
3:05 pm
It is easy to say it is a failure. The reason is that until the whole wall is built, it will be a failure. It is like putting in 1/4 of a dam and not being smart enough to recognize that the flood is going to win.
Confucius Say
October 25th, 2010
3:06 pm
Has anyone bothered to ask how big of a tax cut the Republicans are willing to accept in order to fund this virtual fence that they must have.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
3:07 pm
“The recession has accomplished what INS couldn’t”
Nice!
Confucius Say
October 25th, 2010
3:08 pm
Installing one-forth the height of a dam is better than installing one-forth the length.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 25th, 2010
3:08 pm
“Pelosi: ‘We haven’t really gotten the credit for what we have done’”
Don’t worry, Nancy, the dems will receive the credit they are due on Tuesday, November 2nd.
Normal
October 25th, 2010
3:09 pm
A really good read here…says a lot.
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/25/dysfunction-of-american-politics.html
Randalph
October 25th, 2010
3:11 pm
Nope!
we aren’t…
Randalph, the Right
lovelyliz
October 25th, 2010
3:11 pm
Another Republicans program designed to spend taxpayer $$$$$$$$ on programs that put taxpayer $$$$$$$$ into the hand of campaigns donors even if such program is an abject failure. SEE ABSTINENANCE ONLY PROGRAMS
Normal
October 25th, 2010
3:11 pm
Randalph
October 25th, 2010
3:00 pm
Call ‘em The Randalph Scouts…
BADA BING
October 25th, 2010
3:14 pm
A fence is just like a speed bump on the road. Sure, you are going to get over it, but it has slowed you and every person that comes to it. A combination of the Rio Grande, fences, watch towers, and border agents make for an effective, multi-layered control process.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 25th, 2010
3:14 pm
lovelyliz
October 25th, 2010
3:11 pm
Waste? See LBJ’s “Great Society” programs.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
3:14 pm
Normal
From your article:
Senate filibusters were once reserved for the most divisive issues — race, conspicuously. Now filibusters are routine. From 1919 to 1960, cloture (the decision to end debate, now requiring 60 votes) was filed 27 times. From 2003 to 2006, when Republicans controlled the Senate, they filed cloture 130 times to break Democratic filibusters. Since 2007, when Democrats took charge, they’ve filed 257 cloture motions, Davis reports.
All I can say is WOW!! No wonder we can’t get sh*t done anymore.
lovelyliz
October 25th, 2010
3:15 pm
Molly Ivins: we held The Fence climbing contest. See, people talked about building The Fence back then, too. The Fence along the Mexican border. To keep Them out.
At the time, the proposal was quite specific — a 17-foot cyclone fence with bob wire at the top. So a test fence was built at Terlingua, and the First-Ever Terlingua Memorial Over, Under or Through Mexican Fence Climbing Contest took place. Prize: a case of Lone Star beer. Winning time: 30 seconds.
I tell this story to make the one single point about the border and immigration we know to be true: The Fence will not work. No fence will work. The Great darn Wall of China will not work. Do not build a fence. It will not work. They will come anyway. Over, under or through.
Jackie
October 25th, 2010
3:15 pm
@Scout
Private armies are illegal in the USA.
The number of illegal aliens are declining and have been doing so for the last four years.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_illegal_immigration
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
3:15 pm
“A combination of ”
How much in increased taxes are you willing to pay to cover the cost of all that?
lovelyliz
October 25th, 2010
3:17 pm
The Leg Lamp is a “major award”….
Why because that’s when the dixiecrats took over the Republicans party? Good riddance.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 25th, 2010
3:17 pm
Uh oh, looks like “no soup for you, come back one year”.
PROVIDENCE, R.I. — Rhode Island gubernatorial candidate Frank Caprio, in a radio interview Monday morning, reacted angrily to President Obama’s decision not to endorse him during a visit to the Ocean State Monday.
“He can take his endorsement and really shove it as far as I’m concerned,” Caprio told talk-show host John DePetro during an interview on WPRO-AM.
catlady
October 25th, 2010
3:17 pm
I am not the scholar many of you are, nor am I an engineer. However, to my memory the Berlin Wall was pretty successful. Of course it was short. But having guards with weapons went a long way toward discouraging any fence-jumpers.
We have massive unemployment. People with good or marginal skills need jobs. People with poor skills need training and discipline. This sounds like the perfect fit. Train ‘em and let ‘er rip. With consistency we COULD do something about this!
I teach the children of illegal immigrants. The kids I teach are generally hard-working and well-behaved and their parents want them to do well. However, there are too many of them born here and able to garner American services immediately. The companies that hire their (mostly) fathers have no problem passing the expenses of these new Americans off on the rest of us and fattening the bottom line for themselves.
I believe we need to be identifying and repartriating the foreign nationals here illegally. It would be wise to identify those with skills we need, and devise a way to citizenship for them. This would include showing proficiency in English, having a marketable skill, having their children in school and out of trouble, and paying fines and penalties immediately. Failing that, back they go, and to the end of the line! Charge a per person fee for the repatriation, coming out of US aid to the sending countries.
We should also be concerned about those coming here on student visas, having children, and outstaying the visas. It isn’t just the Latinos taking advantage of the American people.
We need not only significant fines but also significant jail time for employers allowing this.
That which we do not defend we do not have. Surely, to most of us, our citizenship is one of the most important, significant, valuable things we have. It is imperative that we defend it, both for ourselves and the rest of the world.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
3:18 pm
Dog – “How much in increased taxes are you willing to pay to cover the cost of all that?”
I asked you earlier, and I serious, what’s with you asking this question over and over?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 25th, 2010
3:19 pm
lovelyliz
October 25th, 2010
3:17 pm
????????????????
LBJ defected to the Republicans? Who knew?
jt
October 25th, 2010
3:20 pm
Southern Comfort
“First, it’s gender on gender screening?????”
This is the double oughts dude. Where do our gay brothers and sisters fit in?
.” Second, everyone who undergoes screening DOES NOT go thru a full body scan.”
That is the stated goal of the TSA. It takes time to fully impliment.
“you do not have to fly. As far as I can recall, flying is not a right guaranteed by law, it is a privilege paid for by the person who chooses to fly.”
I get my rights from my creator. Rights are not guaranteed by law, only denied.
“then why don’t you come up with a better process to screen 100% of persons flying that works.”
Comman sense. The israelites do a pretty good job.
I mean really SoCo, do you feel right rummaging through the purse of a sweet ole lady from Alabama? How much time are you wasting? Why does a pilot have to be scanned when he is IN CONTROL of the biggest weapon? What is the security scanning for baggage handlers?
It is typical government incompetence that gives every one a false sense of security which also enables a few well-connected few to make billions of dollars.
It is never to late to set yourself free. Deep down, you know you want to.
LeeH1
October 25th, 2010
3:21 pm
Check out the fences the Israelis have constructed to fight suicide bombers. It works, because they mean it when they say, “Stay out!”
It’s not the size or style of wall, it’s the determination of the people behind the wall, either to go over it, or to stop them, that matters.
BADA BING
October 25th, 2010
3:24 pm
Why are you people concerned with the cost of border protection? It is a cost that all countries must pay to protect their security. We have akways paid for protection, we would pay it even if there were no Mexican border problem. The Coast Guard, the INS, the local Police, and the FBI would all exist even without the immigration problem. They are there for other reasons as well.
Keep up the good fight!
October 25th, 2010
3:24 pm
AmVet…do you ever think they will catch on that the Berlin Wall was to keep people in and that it was the communist response to freedome. Why do they hate America so much that they will follow the communists?
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
3:27 pm
I like the idea of a wall! It would be the only shade for miles. The federal employees patrolling the border would be there every minute. Hey the FBI/ICE might show if it is cool enough.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
3:27 pm
“I asked you earlier, and I serious, what’s with you asking this question over and over?”
Seriously? You can’t figure it out? Aren’t we “Taxed Enough Already” but “the government should do something” – well SOMETHING COSTS MONEY. So you want the government to do something about illegal immigrants? HOW MUCH are you willing to cough up so they CAN do something about them?
BADA BING
October 25th, 2010
3:29 pm
Do we need border protection? Does your house have walls? Do you have a fence? Do you have burgulary insurance? Do you have locks on your doors and windows? Why? If no one is going to cause you danger, do without all these protections.
Randalph
October 25th, 2010
3:30 pm
Let’s get the illegals to build our fence! Then send to the other side once they are finished! It’s a WIN WIN!
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
3:30 pm
Keep up the good fight!
October 25th, 2010
3:24 pm
We are not communists as long as we keep progressive liberals out of office. Comparing the Berlin wall to the border wall is apples and oranges. The Berlin wall had armed towers every 100 meters–just in case you did not read that in the DNC morning blogs responses.
Bosch
October 25th, 2010
3:31 pm
“Seriously? You can’t figure it out? Aren’t we “Taxed Enough Already” but “the government should do something” – well SOMETHING COSTS MONEY.”
We need to print those on flyers and drop them from airplanes all over the country.
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
3:31 pm
BADA BING
October 25th, 2010
3:29 pm
Super point!
Jackie
October 25th, 2010
3:32 pm
What do we do with those who are illegal and are not Latino?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigrant_population_of_the_United_States
JKL2
October 25th, 2010
3:34 pm
Keep- Why do they hate America so much that they will follow the communists?
Why do you want to reinvent the wheel? The wall worked very well. I’ll go with LeeH1 @3:21. If you actually mean it when you say you want to keep people out, and follow up on that commitment, most people will stay away. For the rest of them, we will plant crosses where the body fell.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
3:35 pm
Dog – “HOW MUCH are you willing to cough up so they CAN do something about them?”
It depends on what the ’something’ is. Chances are, no matter what they come up with, a tax increase will not be justified. The guvment rakes in enough cash to where they can turnover the seat cushions in the lobby and find the money.
I mean, what’s your answer there darlin’?
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
3:35 pm
“Mexico: 13 dead in massacre at Ciudad Juarez party”
Is this the kind of people we want to cross our borders?
Confucius Say
October 25th, 2010
3:36 pm
I just don’t know if I can handle any more tax cuts to pay for all these things that the government wants to do. Obama has done given us the biggest one-year tax cut ever in history and look at all the stuff that got us. I’m just plain overwhelmed. The government needs to slow down and the only way to do that is to stop it with all the tax cuts. Take a break. The economy is going to blow a gasket if it keeps growing like this.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 25th, 2010
3:36 pm
Well, I see you all are still writing about this while I was taking my annual exam at the Drs. office.
I got some sound advise for you. Never go to a Dr. with big thick fingers.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
3:37 pm
“We need to print those on flyers and drop them from airplanes all over the country.”
And that would accomplish what exactly?
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
3:40 pm
We are not communists as long as we keep progressive liberals out of office.
Notwithstanding this nonsense, Keep, the supposed difference is that the Berlin Wall was constructed to keep people in, while the Israelis and American Walls were constructed to people out.
I’m not sure that distinction is of much value.
And speaking of Israel, josef and I have, as fellow MOTs, lamented how the Israelis, of all people, have resorted to such similar tactics as the country that slaughtered so many Jews.
And in the case of the American wall, it was a pathetically transparent attempt to resolve a problem by putting enormous time, money and resources into exactly the wrong option.
Which was of course, a common thread of the debacle-ridden administration prior to this one…
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
3:41 pm
Jackie
October 25th, 2010
3:32 pm
Did you not see the move “The Proposal”?
Paulo977
October 25th, 2010
3:41 pm
Hard to keep illegals out ,isn’t ?Perhaps Saddam ought to have built a fence!!At least these coming over here, don’t have the power to murder millions of us , they just WORK!!
stands for decibels
October 25th, 2010
3:41 pm
Comparing the Berlin wall to the border wall is apples and oranges.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43820.html
BADA BING
October 25th, 2010
3:42 pm
We don’t want walls built to keep out the poor man looking to better his family’s lives. We want to stop the drug gangs, we want to stop the human slave traffic, we want to stop the child sex slavery, we want to stop the illegal arms traffic. Why are you people so obsessed with the racist angle?
mm
October 25th, 2010
3:43 pm
Let’s just build a wall like East Germany did. That will satisfy the wingnuts! Oh wait, one of the tea loons has already suggested it.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
3:43 pm
This is the double oughts dude. Where do our gay brothers and sisters fit in?
They do their job just like everyone else. You could advocate for the government to discriminate and only allow them to screen baggage.
That is the stated goal of the TSA. It takes time to fully impliment.
And that time could be used to find an alternative method that is effective and not as intrusive.
I get my rights from my creator. Rights are not guaranteed by law, only denied.
Ummm… The Bill of Rights guarantees rights by law. Care to try again??? I understand your point, but if everyone thought like that, then there would be no countries or divisions of land. We’d all be one community living under the laws of the Creator. How would you differentiate between the rights of your Creator versus Ahmed’s Creator or Chen’s Creator…
Comman sense. The israelites do a pretty good job.
The Israelites also profile. Are you suggesting the government profile. If you’ve ever been thru security in Israel, it can take 4-5 hours to get thru their security sometime. How would you sell that to the American traveling public? People already complain about waiting an hour for security.
I mean really SoCo, do you feel right rummaging through the purse of a sweet ole lady from Alabama? How much time are you wasting? Why does a pilot have to be scanned when he is IN CONTROL of the biggest weapon? What is the security scanning for baggage handlers?
I guess you haven’t heard of the Chechen Black Widows? An old lady might be innocent, but she could also be naive. Somebody could put things in her bag without her knowledge just because nobody expects grandma to pack explosives. It’s a waste of time if nobody’s trying to attack us. Once you can prove that, then it’s all a waste of time.
A pilot is scanned BECAUSE he is in control of the biggest weapon. There’s more to their screening other than going thru a metal detector. Baggage handlers go thru screening too. You just can’t get hired off the street and start working the next day.
If you have all the answers, as you appear to, why don’t you do an internship with DHS. I’m sure you can change things and make it 100% effective without intruding into people’s personal lives or property. People like you have all the answers for what’s wrong, but have no clue as to what’s right. Keep trying though, and eventually you’ll be right. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Bosch
October 25th, 2010
3:44 pm
Nice Guy,
People might read what’s written on the flyers and maybe, just maybe, begin to understand the concept.
Whacks Eloquent
October 25th, 2010
3:44 pm
“We need to print those on flyers and drop them from airplanes all over the country.”
“And that would accomplish what exactly?”
Wasting tax dollars, of course! What is government better at doing?
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
3:46 pm
BADA, I agree. The racist angle is the wrong one.
The business/money angle is almost always the right one.
It trumps everything else.
And countless American businesses, large, medium and small, profiting illegally – and with complete impunity – is the paramount issue.
And the one that the law-averse Corporatist Republicans and Democrats will NOT touch…
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
3:46 pm
“I’m not sure that distinction is of much value.”
Well, lets just keep thinking about it. Sometimes bloodflow reaches the brain and provides that needed oxygen and then…
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
3:47 pm
“And countless American businesses, large, medium and small, profiting illegally – and with complete impunity – is the paramount issue.”
That, is one point of agreement.
lovelyliz
October 25th, 2010
3:47 pm
“I think it’s the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard of,” said Brian O’Brien, a wealthy Houston oilman who has an 18,000-acre ranch, seven miles of it along the Rio Grande, near Eagle Pass. “If the river doesn’t keep them out, why do you think a wall will?”
internet user
October 25th, 2010
3:47 pm
Keep….understand that the tool you are using can also be used to not sound uneducated. The boxer rebellion occured in the early 1900s. The Ming Dynasty was founded after the Mongols had occupied China and after defeating the Mongols the Great Wall was rebuilt and expanded by the Ming Dynasty.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
3:48 pm
“And in the case of the American wall, it was a pathetically transparent attempt to resolve a problem by putting enormous time, money and resources into exactly the wrong option.
Which was of course, a common thread of the debacle-ridden administration prior to this one…”
So why didn’t Barack the Great ax that project?
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
3:49 pm
“People might read what’s written on the flyers and maybe, just maybe, begin to understand the concept.”
Ahh, to be young and optimistic!
mm
October 25th, 2010
3:50 pm
How do you make 850 million dollars disappear?
You try to implement a idea hatched by republicans.
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
3:51 pm
Well, lets just keep thinking about it. Sometimes bloodflow reaches the brain and provides that needed oxygen and then…
willie, do you ever tire of behaving like a petulant and ill-mannered brat?
Don’t answer, it is a rhetorical question…
Bosch
October 25th, 2010
3:52 pm
“Ahh, to be young and optimistic!”
Yes, Nice Guy, it is nice.
mm
October 25th, 2010
3:53 pm
“So why didn’t Barack the Great ax that project?”
Because he was too busy reaching across the aisle only to realize he had more and more missing fingers.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
3:56 pm
mm – “Because he was too busy reaching across the aisle only to realize he had more and more missing fingers. You try to implement a idea hatched by republicans.”
Hey mm, I think you need eat something and then drink some water. You’re starting to sound like you’re delusional.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 25th, 2010
3:56 pm
mm
October 25th, 2010
3:53 pm
The only finger Obama ever extended to the republicans was his middle finger.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 25th, 2010
3:57 pm
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
3:56 pm
Just imagine how the hysteria from the left will escalate as we move closer and closer to the midterm election.
Keep up the good fight!
October 25th, 2010
3:58 pm
Limp leg….if only Obama had done that, America would be a better place today.
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
3:58 pm
The largest draw for the illegals is harvesting. The others are construction and service jobs. However, unions caused that with labor costs. The unions started off doing good things then got greedy. That is why we have no manufacturing. Huge wages, health insurance, retirements, vacation pay, sick leave, and other benefits that are not guaranteed in the constitution but are on every unresponsible citizen’s mind because of the liberals and unions. The socialist ideal!
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
3:58 pm
“How do you make 850 million dollars disappear?
You try to implement a idea hatched by republicans.”
The sound of crickets is deafening.
jt
October 25th, 2010
3:59 pm
Southern Comfort
Let’s see. We’ve had the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber.
What happens to all of us “terrorist suspects” (innocent fliers) after something is smuggled up their you know what?
jconservative
October 25th, 2010
4:00 pm
It’s Reagan’s Star Wars System all over again.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
4:01 pm
Leg Lamp – “Just imagine how the hysteria from the left will escalate as we move closer and closer to the midterm election.”
It will be quite the sight. But I sorta wish the coming landslide (maybe) was going to be more of a surprise, their expressions would priceless. Instead, they’ve had weeks to prepare for it, so I expect the Coopers, Madows, & Olbermans of the world to downplay the whole thing.
Nice Guy
October 25th, 2010
4:02 pm
I’m outtie folks. Peace!
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
4:02 pm
Re the question at 3:48, I’ve already answered it above.
Twice.
But according the full-time delusionists, BHO was the single greatest liberal in the history of the universe!!!!!!!
He was going to cut and run from Iraq and Afghanistan!!!
He was going to undo allof those brilliant Bush maneuvers to keep us safe!!!
He was going to immediately close GITMO!!!
He was going to stack the SCOTUS with terrorist-coddling baby-killers!!!
And other such nonsense on and on and on…
That is two American presidents in a row that the neo-cons have been laughably dead wrong about.
Talk about ZERO credibility…
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
4:02 pm
“How do you make 850 million dollars disappear?
Use union labor!
jm
October 25th, 2010
4:03 pm
well, I guess we need to build an old fashioned physical fence. stinks for the wildlife, for sure.
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
4:05 pm
However, unions caused that with labor costs.
Now this is a new theory for me.
If I understand it correctly, American businesses by the tens of thousands, most by far non-unionized, were forced to break numerous US and state laws and illegally hire and employ illegals because of labor unions.
???
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
4:06 pm
“Talk about ZERO credibility”
See what happens when you have to much Soros in your kool-ade?
Confucius Say
October 25th, 2010
4:06 pm
I think the answer to all has been given by the posters. It is just spread out amongst many posts. Part of the answer that I have been able to assemble is to build a transparent wall (glass, I presume) so that people attempting to cross the border will bump their heads on it and knock themselves out each time they try. To save money, the wall should be short and on wheels so it can be moved as needed based on observed piles of bones from attempted border crossings that failed. I wonder if anyone has considered erecting mirrors instead of glass walls. That could be interesting. Or maybe piles of bones could be scattered out along the border and people would get that message — anyone coming this way must eat spare ribs. They would not be able to afford it and would turn around and go back home.
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
4:07 pm
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
4:05 pm
YEP! Economicaly enforced. Just like they do those poor minorities.
non-union labor
October 25th, 2010
4:09 pm
“How do you make 850 million dollars disappear?
Use union labor!
Where do I sign up.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 25th, 2010
4:09 pm
Well, I might of knowed this Southern Comfort was crooked as a dog’s hind leg. Taking pictures of wifes and girls and using the kind of camera that undresses them. We need to get back to hanging.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
4:12 pm
What happens to all of us “terrorist suspects” (innocent fliers) after something is smuggled up their you know what?
Has there been a visible change in security screening since August 2009?
Pull my finger: Jihadist who blew himself up on Saudi prince’s private jet hid explosives in his anus
Al Qaeda Bombers Learn from Drug Smugglers
New Technique of Storing Bomb Materials Inside Body Cavity Nearly Kills a Saudi Prince
To get his bomb into this room, Abdullah Asieri, one of Saudi Arabia’s most wanted men, avoided detection by two sets of airport security including metal detectors and palace security. He spent 30 hours in the close company of the prince’s own secret service agents – all without anyone suspecting a thing.
How did he do it?
Taking a trick from the narcotics trade – which has long smuggled drugs in body cavities – Asieri had a pound of high explosives, plus a detonator inserted in his rectum.
It’s already been tried. I’m guessing since the visible screening process has not changed much, the innocen fliers don’t have much to be fearful of. As a flyer myself, I wouldn’t mind knowing that nobody on board my flight has the capability to send me plummeting 36,000 feet, but that’s just me.
The attempts on US flagged carriers that you referred to have all originated OUTSIDE of the US. They were not screened by US officials, so I don’t think it’s fair to say that our screening failed when it was not us that did the screening.
jm
October 25th, 2010
4:13 pm
In a similar, but related story. Dogs are the best bomb sniffers. Price tag: $19 Billion.
The fence is chump change at today’s spending standards….
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-10/after-19-billion-spent-six-years-pentagon-realizes-best-bomb-detector-dog
jm
October 25th, 2010
4:15 pm
Anyone ready for small government yet?
me! me! me! me! me! me! me! me! me!
Left wing management
October 25th, 2010
4:15 pm
What, a Bush program a ‘failure’ ?
What, a Bush program a ‘political stunt’ ?
C’mon, Jay, what universe are you living in?
williebkind
October 25th, 2010
4:19 pm
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
4:12 pm
That should stop the retort, “Blow it out your a$$!”
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
4:22 pm
williebkind
When I first heard about that incident last year, my first thought was that the bomber had redefined “explosive diarrhea”.
Bosch
October 25th, 2010
4:25 pm
This has GOT to be one of the saddest stories EVER in the history of mankind: you must read the last sentence to understand.
Okla. man jailed for breaking dog out of pound
http://www.accessatlanta.com/celebrities-tv/okla-man-jailed-for-690531.html?cxntlid=thbz_hm
Bosch
October 25th, 2010
4:25 pm
I think they did it for spite.
Steve
October 25th, 2010
4:33 pm
Wonder what would happen if we informed Mexico all illegals caught crossing the Mexico-US border would be dropped by parachute into Iran or North Korea.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
4:33 pm
“I mean, what’s your answer there”
We need to cut taxes
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
4:35 pm
Bosch
That’s awful!!
willieb
It’s quite sobering to go to work knowing that you can be right 99 times out of 100 and still be an abject failure if you’re wrong once. At the same time, you know your adversary only has to be right 1 time out of 100 to be considered successful.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
4:45 pm
“The guvment rakes in enough cash to where they can turnover the seat cushions in the lobby and find the money. ”
Ummm…you do realize that searching under the cushions is what you do when you are SHORT on money…don’t you?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 25th, 2010
4:45 pm
Let’s not be too hard on labor unions and say they’re accomplished nothing. After all, they are almost singlehandedly responsible for the incredible economic growth of …………..
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China!
jm
October 25th, 2010
4:48 pm
Like I said. Liberals in panic mode. Not that Clinton is really a liberal.
The problem with Clinton’s position, is that Obama is nothing like Clinton. Obama’s further left. He doesn’t know how to foster job creation. He doesn’t have any business people in his administration.
I’m not a huge fan of Republicans. But we need continual regime change until we can get someone that has their act together. Like Bloomberg, or Mitch Daniels, or Tim Kaine, etc. etc.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44111.html
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October 25th, 2010
4:48 pm
well-trained and highly-skilled law enforcement officers are necessary to accomplish that task.”
Looks like Obama came up with his own solution to the rising unemployment that’s been dogging him.
Aye chihuahua.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
4:50 pm
“Let’s not be too hard on labor unions and say they’re accomplished nothing”
Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it (unk)
jm
October 25th, 2010
4:50 pm
Inside baseball on the “day after” in Congress. By the way, Jay, see direct quote from Politico.
“Moderates get all the attention in tight races, but it’s liberals who completely dominate the caucus”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44089.html
non-union labor
October 25th, 2010
4:50 pm
An abundance of cheap labor and a willingness of US corporations to take advantage of it are the things that economic growth in China are made of. India too. South Korea too…
They also pump out cheap leg lamp awards. They’re a dime a dozen.
Pogo
October 25th, 2010
4:51 pm
BHO is a loser. Period. And so are his supporting cast in congress. It is terrible to see people pin their hopes on an ideologue with no real redeeming quality other than his being black and his being a member of the political party of their choice. He has done nothing to either stymy illegal immigration nor to help those that have already come across other than to maintain the status quo left by the weakminded Bush (and those before him)who also did nothing but let it continue.
Immigration is a good thing if it is done in a controlled fashion. But immigration into this country is out of control and we are going to pay both financially and culturally for that. And these very same poor immigrants are going to learn very quickly how to play the system.
jm
October 25th, 2010
4:53 pm
Hmmmmm. Food for thought. From Politico:
An even bigger test: Boehner, who is way more of a deal cutter than conventional wisdom suggests, will face challenges on extending Bush-era tax cuts and raising the debt ceiling in the months after Election Day.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44089_Page3.html#ixzz13PHBdyUF
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October 25th, 2010
4:55 pm
Since the Mexican border is the topic, let’s give a shout out to:
The scene: The border town of Práxedis Guadalupe Guerrero, Mexico, where the threats from drug cartels run people out of their homes and the unforgiving, unchecked street law—complete with beheadings—has every family living in terror.
The conflict: No experienced lawman has the guts to take the job of police chief.
The twist: But one young woman, an attractive 20-year-old criminology student with an infant son, does. Enter Marisol Valles, the police chief now being hailed as the bravest woman in Mexico.
This IS the year of strong women.
Our own president could learn from her.
jm
October 25th, 2010
4:56 pm
Ugh. Schumer? Vomit…..
There is no more important Senate race in the country than Harry Reid versus Sharon Angle in Nevada. If Reid wins, Democrats will probably hold the majority, and he will probably keep his job. If Reid goes down, all hell will break loose on the leadership front.
It’s no secret New York’s Chuck Schumer wants the job. The man’s energy is matched only by his ambition and love of the spotlight.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44089_Page3.html#ixzz13PHwrGVI
jm
October 25th, 2010
4:59 pm
Pogo 4:51 – “loser”. Not sure that’s quite the right word, but close enough. Obama doesn’t have the leadership gene. Sure, he’s gotten legislation passed, and he’s book smart.
But he’s not leading this country. He doesn’t understand leadership. He doesn’t understand how to foster economic growth. And he doesn’t understand the political middle’s principles and ideas.
Time for a little US regime change.
jt
October 25th, 2010
5:03 pm
Southern Comfort
I didn’t know that. Incredible. I hope the TSA doesn’t get any ideas about checking us.
I have to go, but I would like you to answer the following question. Because of your unique situation, how would you feel about having your wife go through the porno scan knowing that your fellow co- workers could be watching.? Would that be a problem?
There has already been some incidents involving privacy between co-workers.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 25th, 2010
5:04 pm
jm
October 25th, 2010
4:56 pm
Will Rogers – “I never met a man I didn’t like”.
Chuck Shumer – “I never met a camera I didn’t like”.
Murdock's Missives
October 25th, 2010
5:08 pm
I wonder what FOX coverage of Jon Stewart’s rally would look like. Hannity would have to look back through his own rallies and pick out one of many with no attendees to cut and paste onto an image of Stewart so he could claim that Stewart’s rally had no turnout.
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
5:08 pm
“Will Rogers – “I never met a man I didn’t like”.
Chuck Shumer – “I never met a camera I didn’t like”.”
Is that email going the rounds again…or are you just way, WAY behind in reading yours?
jm
October 25th, 2010
5:09 pm
leg lamp – no kidding. the guy is beyond obnoxious. I’m hoping for Steny in the House, anyone else for the Dems in the Senate (not Reid or Schumer), the R leadership looks pretty crummy, but it will have to do for now.
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
5:10 pm
Illegal immigration in the US has been out of control for many decades.
Reagan merely threw gasoline on an already huge fire.
And the subsequent presidents all danced merrily around it to the tune that the monied interests and the US Chamber of Commerce dictated…
DebbieDoRight
October 25th, 2010
5:11 pm
jt at 3:20 to SoCo: t is never to late to set yourself free. Deep down, you know you want to.
OMG jt I didn’t know!! I mean I always pictured you as a “stalker type’ but I had no idea that you were skulking in the shadows, lusting and fantasizing about having gay relations with SoCo!!
BTW SoCo is not your type — he’s not dumb……. sorry.
King of the world
October 25th, 2010
5:11 pm
John Stewart is risking overexposure.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award"....
October 25th, 2010
5:12 pm
jm
October 25th, 2010
5:09 pm
The (R) and (D) leadership looks crummy. Especially considering the Gov’s race here in Georgia.
Murdock's Missives
October 25th, 2010
5:16 pm
Oklahoma! That’s one of those compassionate conservative states, isn’t it. Them’s my kind of people. They don’t take no poop from no old timer. Kill his dang dog. That’ll teach him.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
5:17 pm
jt
If it’s required, I don’t have a problem with it. I personally made my wife take her shoes off when she was flying out of Hartsfield. I know she wasn’t packing anything, but I also didn’t know who was watching me. If I tried to augment security procedures for a family member, I could lose my job. Right now, I can’t afford to lose my job much less get fired and not be able to work in law enforcement anymore. It’s not worth it.
DDR
Too funny!!!! That wasn’t what jt was talking about though.
jm
October 25th, 2010
5:17 pm
LL- tru
jm
October 25th, 2010
5:19 pm
SoCo 5:17 – good for you. that’s still the way it has to be done….
jm
October 25th, 2010
5:21 pm
We spent $20 Billion on dog sniffing. Less than $1B on border security.
I come to one of these 2 conclusions upon knowing this.
We are either spending way too much on everything, period.
Or we can afford to blow a good bit more on border security…
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
5:21 pm
Bottom line is IF YOU HIRE THEM THEY WILL COME. Build any wall you want, they will go over it, under it, around it or through it.
King of the world
October 25th, 2010
5:29 pm
David Copperfield, and his retarded cousin, David Blaine could easily go through the fence or wall on our southern border with Mexicali Rose. BUt a real illegal alien Mexican guy would have to dig under it, climb over it, hang glide over it, use wire cutters to open a hole in it, or, in the only other option put no more curtly than Curly himself when he would say, “I’d blast.”
Remember, if you find a blasting cap, don’t touch it. Call your park ranger or dept of interior representative. But mostly, if you see a blasting cap, don’t go within ten feet of it, or you’ll be blown to smithereens.
Scout
October 25th, 2010
5:35 pm
Bosch @ 3:05
NOPE ! However, that would be Randalph Scout ! Get it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7ymC7ipQWk&feature=related
DebbieDoRight
October 25th, 2010
5:36 pm
SoCo: Too funny!!!! That wasn’t what jt was talking about though.
Sure…….keep telling yourself that…….
King of the world
October 25th, 2010
5:36 pm
The dog may have sniffed, but he didn’t inhale, sir.
Kamchak
October 25th, 2010
5:38 pm
The others are construction and service jobs. However, unions caused that with labor costs.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
DebbieDoRight
October 25th, 2010
5:38 pm
The Dog NEVER inhales on Mondays….only on Wednesdays from 2-6 a.m. then again from 2-6 p.m. The Dog has standards, Sir.
Scout
October 25th, 2010
5:39 pm
Jackie @ 3:15
“Private armies are illegal in the USA.”
I think it’s the same in France also and that why the French Foreign Legion (which are the only decent fighters they have) are based and serve only outside of France.
Scout
October 25th, 2010
5:43 pm
Jackie:
I think muscular dystrophy is declining in the U.S. also. Want to stop there?
DebbieDoRight
October 25th, 2010
5:56 pm
Scout you know as well as Jackie and I do that the current law regarding aliens who have served, something a LOT of naturalized citizens refuse to do, is disgusting and reeks of stupidity.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 25th, 2010
5:56 pm
Well, I’ve been holding off, but I got a fix for that worthless fence. It comes from old Vernon Lilly up in Dawson County. He stopped his cows from getting thru his fence by hooking it up to the electric line that runs thru his property. One cow tried, and she was laid out deader than 3 a.m. in the morning. I read somewhere where about a quarter of the electricity we make in the U.S. of A. just disappears and never gets used. We could use that for the border fence and it wouldn’t cost hardly nothing. The smell of fried Mexican in the morning is just like chicken in a frying pan, or so I hear. I expect the first time somebody tried to climb over the fence or cut it would be the last time. Anyhow, no charge for the advise.
Have a good night everybody.
Bristol Palin
October 25th, 2010
5:59 pm
Fried mexicans smell like chicken and taste like chicken too!! we eat them all the time up here in Laska!!
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 25th, 2010
6:08 pm
If one were to hook a power line to their fence, assuming they somehow lived through the process, it is at least 12.5KV after all, it would immediately kick a breaker or recloser, up the line and the power would go out. The cow would have few worries, unless it was trying to help with the hook-up.
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
6:16 pm
Bottom line is IF YOU HIRE THEM THEY WILL COME. Build any wall you want, they will go over it, under it, around it or through it.
I say we build a fence around those who hire illegals. The Right howls about illegal aliens, yet Old Billy Bob’s got plenty a-workin’ for him. What a bunch of hypocrites!
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
6:21 pm
“I say we build a fence around those who hire illegals”
What? and kill the golden goose that lays the campaign contribution golden eggs? Not a chance.
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
6:32 pm
The global economic crisis arose as a result of decades of global imperialism – known recently as ‘globalization’ – and the reckless growth of– speculation, derivatives and an explosion of debt. As the economic crisis spread, nations of the world, particularly the United States, bailed out the major banks (which should have been made to fail and crumble under their own corruption and greed), and now the West has essentially privatized profits for the banks, and socialized the risk. In other words, the nations bought the debt from the banks, and now the people have to pay for it. The people, however, are immersed in their own personal debt to such degrees that today, the average Canadian is $39,000 in debt, and students are graduating into a jobless market with tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars of student debt that they will never repay. Hence, we are now faced with a global debt crisis.
Here is a great article for those who spend “some” part of their day “reading” instead of posting on this inane blog. You might enjoy reading. It can be enlightening.
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
6:43 pm
America and Europe, in the midst of the worst jobs crisis since the Great Depression, face an “explosion of social unrest.” Just yesterday, Europe experienced a wave of mass protests and social unrest in opposition to ‘austerity measures’, with a general strike in Spain involving millions of people, and a march on the EU headquarters in Brussels of nearly 100,000 people. As social unrest spreads, governments will likely react – as we saw in the case of the G20 in Toronto – with oppressive police state measures. Here, we see the true relevance of the emergence of ‘Homeland Security States’, designed not to protect people from terrorists, but to protect the powerful from the people.
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
6:52 pm
So while things have never seemed quite so bleak, there is a dim and growing beacon of hope, in what Zbigniew Brzezinski has termed as the greatest threat to elite interests everywhere – the ‘global political awakening’. The global political awakening is representative of the fact that for the first time in all of human history, mankind is politically awakened and stirring, activated and aware, and that generally – as Zbigniew Brzezinski explains – generally is aware of global inequalities, exploitation, and disrespect. This awakening is largely the result of the information revolution – thus revealing the contradictory nature of the globalization project – as while it globalizes power and oppression, so too does it globalize awareness and opposition. This awakening is the greatest threat to entrenched elite interests everywhere. The awakening, while having taken root in the global south – already long subjected to exploitation and devastation – is now stirring in the west, and will grow as the economy crumbles. As the middle classes realize their consumption was an illusion of wealth, they will seek answers and demand true change, not the Wall Street packaged ‘brand-name’ change of Obama Inc., but true, inspired, and empowering change.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
6:58 pm
DDR
jm
Fair is fair. I spent time working for TSA. When I fly, I don’t try to skirt any of the rules even though I usually know the people who are screening me here. When I was there, I did not bend the rules for anyone I knew or any famous people either. Had a few run-ins with some who thought their fame excluded them from the screening process. I’m sure I won’t end up on any of their Christmas card lists either.
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
7:01 pm
We don’t need a fence. When Mexico collapses into anarchy from the drug lords feeding our national drug additction and keeping the arms manufacturers in bidness and it comes time to invade to stop a far worse problem than Juan and Maria trying to make a better and safer life on this side of the border keeping the service industries tallying up the profits, a wall will only get in our way…this whole immigration cr*p is an exercise in hypocracy of the Nth degree…ssshheese…
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
7:04 pm
Thank God for France. While American liberals tremble at the idea of sending an angry email to congress for fear that their name will appear on the State Department’s list of terrorists, French workers are on the front lines choking on tear gas and fending off billyclubs in hand-to-hand combat with Sarkozy’s Gendarmerie. That’s because the French haven’t forgotten their class roots. When the government gets too big for its britches, people pour out onto to the streets and Paris becomes a warzone replete with overturned Mercedes Benzs, smashed storefront windows, and stacks of smoldering tires issuing pillars of black smoke. This is what democracy looks like when it hasn’t been emasculated by decades of propaganda and consumerism.
You won’t ever see anything like this from the American Sheeple. Not, that is, until the unemployment runs out and the new Republican Congress does away with Food Stamps, Section 8, AFDC, etc..
THEN! the Sheeple will get up from in front of the big-screen and take to the streets!
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
7:07 pm
Sooth
Don’t forget that for a sizeable chunk of the American people, the road to a democratic regime was via the French, not the American Revolution..
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
7:14 pm
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I was reading up on Marisol…amazing individual, she…I wish her well in her herculean task…
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
7:17 pm
In Ancient Rome, the government provided the people with bread and circuses. (Hence, our daily bread.) These were to keep the populace compliant and to keep them from rioting. What do we have today in America? Well, we have unemployment, food stamps, Section 8 housing allowances, Aid to Families with Dependent Children, etc. OH! and how could I forget? We have OPRAH, THE VIEW!, Judge Judy, ad infinitum. So it can be reasonably stated that things don’t really change that much, do they?
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 25th, 2010
7:23 pm
the government provided the people with bread and circuses
Our politicians provide us with a circus. The Romans had nothing on us.
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
7:29 pm
To discuss this in terms of the fall of Rome will require us to look at this from the viewpoint of fall of empire and we ain’t gonna do that…it would require a revision of the American history on which we are fed…that’s a no-no.
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
7:31 pm
Hillbilly I had to look for about 45 minutes the other night to find this. You may recognize Lester Flatt singing some of the melody. Of course, Bill always sang the high harmony. It keeps repeating.
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 25th, 2010
7:35 pm
Sooth
That’s great. How I would loved to have seen the 1945-48 incarnation of the Bluegrass Boys.
H. G.'s Well
October 25th, 2010
7:37 pm
All I can do is learn what has been written and choose what of it to believe. At least until my time machine is fully functional.
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
7:37 pm
Good points about the rioting. I wonder if the right has considered what will happen if they dismantle the safety net like they want to. The reaction to Wall Street’s fraud would likely have been much different if people were going hungry instead of simply having to go back to franks and beans.
Bristol Palin
October 25th, 2010
7:46 pm
Why go hungry when they can eat fried Mexican? Duh…….
H. G.'s Well
October 25th, 2010
7:47 pm
No fears from the elitists regarding rioters. They’ll just cut off their food stamps too. The winged vultures will handle the rest.
Bristol Palin
October 25th, 2010
7:50 pm
It’s the winged MONKEYS! Duh…….
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
7:56 pm
Don’t Forget
@ 7:37
But you won’t be able to get them to see that….until it happens….
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 25th, 2010
7:57 pm
There is one parallel that fits most every society. No matter the system or form of government, a small percentage always control most of the power and most of the money. They can stay that way, as long as the rest of the people are relatively content. The masses will put up with a lot, for a long time but every society has a tipping point. If that point is ever reached, things change and it’s usually not pretty. The trick is to let the masses have enough of the pie, to keep that from happening.
Disclaimer: I’m one of the masses.
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
7:57 pm
Bristol Palin
October 25th, 2010
7:46 pm
Why go hungry when they can eat fried Mexican? Duh…….
You mean refried beaner? I apologize Lord I shouldn’t have said that.
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
8:01 pm
Hillbilly
Your point is well made. We have seen it here. The Richmond bread riots and the events during the siege of New Orleans…and it wasn’t pretty…especially in the latter…
Paulo977
October 25th, 2010
8:02 pm
Hankie Aron…. Stop illegal immigration? . He** who will go and give their lives for us in illegal wars??
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
8:02 pm
Hillbilly D: well said!
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 25th, 2010
8:03 pm
josef
I hope it never comes to that but to think it can’t happen here, is foolish, in my opinion.
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
8:06 pm
Many people don’t realize the rioting and upheaval that took place during the Great Depression. In fact, many aspects of the New Deal were a direct result of that rioting and upheaval. There was real fear that the country could go Com mu nist (I don’t want to show up on NSA computers). Think about the benefits afforded the working class after WWII and the Depression. Many of those benefits are the direct result of the unrest and upheaval during the 30s and 40s.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
8:08 pm
josef & HD
Those who do not know their history are bound to repeat it!!
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
8:09 pm
(I don’t want to show up on NSA computers).
After all of the links you post here??? I’m sure they have your coordinates locked into Google Earth.
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
8:09 pm
Soothsayer
And the Great Society programs were of much the same substance and from the same motivations as the New Deal…
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
8:10 pm
Sooth
And don’t forget, the Bruin knows what you’re going to say…
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
8:13 pm
SoCo
What you say about knowing and repeating history…it’s one of the reasons I’m always amazed at the cherry picking done by left and right alike in what they choose “to remember.” The more polarized we become, the more that selective memory leaves open doors to social instabilities of the highest order…
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
8:13 pm
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
8:06 pm
(I don’t want to show up on NSA computers).
The drones are probably circling overhead already. They are very quiet you know.
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
8:17 pm
So Co and Don’t Forget: you’re right! I might as well let it all hang out! Every now and then I go out in the back yard and turn a moon up towards their satellite!
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 25th, 2010
8:17 pm
And don’t forget, the Bruin knows what you’re going to say…
Yeah but someday I’m gonna surprise him.
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
8:19 pm
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
8:08 pm
josef & HD
Those who do not know their history are bound to repeat it!!
Well, that settles it. We are bound to repeat cause most people don’t know squat about this country.
Save me a Slice
October 25th, 2010
8:20 pm
One out of every 34 Americans who earned wages in 2008 earned absolutely nothing in 2009.
While the number of Americans earning more than $50 million fell from 131 in 2008 to 74 in 2009, those that remained at the top increased their income from an average of $91.2 million in 2008 to almost $519 million.
These 74 people made as much as the 19 million lowest-paid people in America, who constitute one in every eight workers.”
May I have a slice of pie, Sir.
Jay
October 25th, 2010
8:22 pm
“And don’t forget, the Bruin knows what you’re going to say…”
“Yeah but someday I’m gonna surprise him.”
Silly, silly man…
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
8:23 pm
Don’t Forget
I wouldn’t go so far as to say they don’t know squat. They know bits and pieces. And half educated masses are far more dangerous than illiterate ones.
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
8:24 pm
Hillbilly
See, there! I told you so!
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
8:26 pm
Save slice: great post! I especially liked the part further down about how the Repubs and a few Dems killed a bill that would essentially take away the incentives for shipping American jobs overseas.
@@
October 25th, 2010
8:28 pm
josef:
I got the gist of your message at 7:01, but…
81 words in a single sentence (your second)????
Ooohmmmmm…Ooohmmmmm…Ooohmmmmm
Breath, buddy!!!
@@
October 25th, 2010
8:32 pm
Oops!
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Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
8:32 pm
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Email Comments 1,811 Senate Republicans beat back an effort by Democrats Tuesday to end tax breaks for companies who send jobs offshore only to import products back into the United States. The House has passed a series of similar legislation over the past several weeks, as Democrats work to portray Republicans as in the pocket of Big Business at the expense of workers, the economy, the trade deficit and the budget deficit.
“Who in the world believes that we should be rewarding corporations in our country for shipping jobs overseas?”
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
8:34 pm
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Stream of consciousness! ISH
BTW
Was out and about over the weekend and was taking stock of the campaign signs…saw lots for local races, saw only ONE for the gubernatorial, it was for Flag Boy and down the street from the house…know that neighbor…fine fellow, but, well…he IS a party insider and activist…funny thing, though, you have to really look hard to see it, it’s sort of obscured by some really good Hallowe’en decorations…
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
8:34 pm
Ok! Ok! I get it! The Bruin is Jay. Right? Help!
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
8:35 pm
Jay, I guess no answer is the same as a “no” answer, right?
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
8:37 pm
Sooth
That’s him…or is that is he?
The seventy-four
October 25th, 2010
8:37 pm
These taxes are just killing us. Don’t you people even care about those of us that pay all the taxes. Can’t you people see how we are suffering. Lay your petty wealth envy aside and try to feel what we feel when we have to write those checks to our tax attorneys and accounts and others whom we prefer not to mention in order to evade the high tax rates when all that could be avoided with some basic legislation designed to level the taxation playing field and treat us all equally. Just say no to taxes, won’t you.
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
8:39 pm
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
8:23 pm
Don’t Forget
I wouldn’t go so far as to say they don’t know squat. They know bits and pieces. And half educated masses are far more dangerous than illiterate ones.
So true. Much easier to herd. Speaking of Glen Beck……
John Galt Jr.
October 25th, 2010
8:39 pm
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/fence.html
The Jews know how to do it.
Slightly Well Read for someone my Age, etc.
October 25th, 2010
8:41 pm
What constitutes “half-educated”.
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 25th, 2010
8:44 pm
So let’s see if Nostradamus Bookman can predict what I’m gonna say next.
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
8:48 pm
You know, John Galt, Jr., if the Palestinians were not dispossessed, the Israelis wouldn’t need a fence. If there were justice for the Palestinians, the Israelis wouldn’t need a fence. If the Israelis negotiated in good faith for a two-state solution they wouldn’t need a fence. And, if the Israelis would simply stop taking more Palestinian land on a daily basis, they wouldn’t need a fence.
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
8:48 pm
Slightly Well Read for someone my Age, etc.
October 25th, 2010
8:41 pm
What constitutes “half-educated”.
Someone who has only listened to one point of view would be a good start.
Ray
October 25th, 2010
8:48 pm
Nice to see the will of Jesus looking out for our Mexican brothers.
At least the baggers don’t pretend to be Christian.
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
8:48 pm
John Galt
And in my EOI capacity, I would note that the Jewish Virtual Library editors do allow the use of the term Samaria to refer to the West Bank…gives the article a certain questionable slant/bias, I would venture…
Don’t Forget
You hit the nail on the head! That is precisely my argument against Fox (by and large and that ninny Beck in particular) as well as CNN and MSNBC…the target audiences are the half-educated.
@@
October 25th, 2010
8:48 pm
So let’s see if Nostradamus Bookman can predict what I’m gonna say next.
Wrong….right?
Slightly Well Read for someone my Age, etc.
October 25th, 2010
8:50 pm
Someone who has only listened to one point of view would be a good start.
On how many topics.
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 25th, 2010
8:50 pm
josef, et al
Grandma always said, “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing”.
Slightly Well Read for someone my Age, etc.
October 25th, 2010
8:52 pm
Does the typical target audience for TV still need to know if they are smarter than a fifth grader?
Doggone/GA
October 25th, 2010
8:53 pm
Josef – off topic. I’m almost done with Crossan’s book about the Lord’s Prayer and I thought you’d appreciate this: near the end he describes is as “from Judaism, through Christianity, to the world”
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
8:53 pm
The Jews know how to do it.
Yes we do!
That’s why we vote against fake conservatives by a 5 to 1 margin! (OK, 4 to 1 in an off year…)
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
8:53 pm
josef & Don’t Forget
That’s my primary motivation for learning as much about the true history of this country as possible. I don’t want to get caught off guard by something that’s already been tried and failed.
Sooth
I imagine the satellite or drone operators get a chuckle from your lunar display.
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
8:55 pm
Slightly well read…
I would tend to agree with Sooth on what constitutes half-educated. I would also include those who may have listened to both “sides” of an argument, but who opt not to seriously analyze those arguments and then draw their own conclusions, finding it easier to not think outside the box. This, IMHO, is what makes them dangerous. It leaves them prey for demagoguery.
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
8:58 pm
SOCO: as white as my a$$ is I’m sure it puts their satellite out of commission for couple of days at least! With that I will bid you au revoir and guten naben! Off to watch the game!
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
8:59 pm
Slightly Well Read for someone my Age, etc.
October 25th, 2010
8:50 pm
Someone who has only listened to one point of view would be a good start.
On how many topics?
It’s on a topic by topic basis. A person could be highly educated in their professional field but have little knowledge of history or a number of other areas. So I guess it’s a topic by topic basis but if a person doesn’t realize that there are more than one viewpoint to almost every issue they probably fit the bill.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
8:59 pm
Sooth
Slightly Well Read for someone my Age, etc.
October 25th, 2010
9:01 pm
It would appear that the label “half-educated” would likely apply to everyone given that no one is a know-it-all.
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
9:04 pm
Doggone
Interesting point. I’ve referred before to what Howard Morley Sacher said, “Christians do not hate the Jew as Christ killer, but as Christ giver…”
AmVet
There you go again! I’m turning you in to Likud!
Slightly well read…
The level of education for the half-educated is at about what, a few decades ago, WAS a fifth grade level…
Hillbilly
And Granny would call me a “dangerous man!”
SoCo
It’s much what some of us here talk about when we try to get people to see that IF you go and look more closely at this, that or the other event in our history, you may come away with your own cherished preconceptions seriously challenged…and we, really, don’t want to do that by and large…
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
9:04 pm
those who may have listened to both “sides” of an argument, but who opt not to seriously analyze those arguments and then draw their own conclusions
Or, as I like to say, there are some who look at the evidence and form an opinion and those that form an opinion and then go looking for evidence.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
9:05 pm
It would appear that the label “half-educated” would likely apply to everyone given that no one is a know-it-all
I would say that the label would apply to those who bluster as if they know everything and are always right no matter what. Those are usually the ones who only see half the story. Most people recognize their shortcomings and do not try to pass themselves off as a subject matter expert on things which they know little about.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
9:08 pm
josef
I was taught that history really is his story. The person who wrote it usually is telling events from their point of view. No two people will see things exactly the same. If history books were just written as factual bullet points, it would be boring, so the writers have to engage a little “Hollywood magic” with the storytelling.
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
9:09 pm
don’t forget.
@ 8:59
You make a point. My contention is, however, that we are so obsessed by our professional specialty as a sign we are “educated,” and lacking in a well-rounded education with an emphasis on the humanities…without that, we ARE only half-educated.
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 25th, 2010
9:12 pm
So I guess it’s a topic by topic basis
It’s always been my contention that we’re all ignorant, we’re just ignorant in different areas.
DawgDad
October 25th, 2010
9:13 pm
The second paragraph of the ABC report says it all – there has to be apprehension and law enforcement. Bush and Obama are both on the same side of this issue, advocating unchecked illegal immigration (Bush got beat up by his base constituency on this issue). So why are we surprised this isn’t working well? Could it have something to do with a FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP?
@@
October 25th, 2010
9:13 pm
President Obama on Univision Radio:
President Obama defended his unsuccessful effort to revamp U.S. immigration policies in an interview aired Monday on Spanish-language radio, saying that Latino voters should blame Republicans for obstructing reform and pointedly reminding listeners that change takes time.
Pitiful….just pi-ti-ful!
The radio host’s response?
Sotelo questioned how vigorously the administration has pushed to make it happen.
“You were able to pass a healthcare plan and you worked a lot for that,” Sotelo said, according to a transcript of the interview provided by Univision. “And most of my listeners, they haven’t seen that, the same way that you worked for healthcare, for immigration reform.”
Does he think Latinos are stoopid????
Then he had the gall to ask for their votes.
Este presidente es una broma.
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
9:16 pm
SoCo
That’s why I go searching for the various interpretations of those essential “facts” from history. As I like to tell my students, “The American Civil War was from 1861 to 1865. There are more books, papers, essays and commentaries on this than any other topic in American writing. Why?”
Slightly Well Read for someone my Age, etc.
October 25th, 2010
9:17 pm
I would say that the label would apply to those who bluster as if they know everything and are always right no matter what. Those are usually the ones who only see half the story. Most people recognize their shortcomings and do not try to pass themselves off as a subject matter expert on things which they know little about.
Then I choose to be labeled as fractionally-educated for it is beginning to sound like a half-educated person might also be known as an uppity person and no one could possibly want that for a label. With that, I bid you a “Good Evening”.
DawgDad
October 25th, 2010
9:18 pm
By the way, there are two sides to an issue only as long as there are only two people arguing the issue.
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
9:19 pm
@@
Estoy de acuerdo…es una broma! Reminding the latinos that change takes time? Unh-hunh, sure, well on my special interest issue, he’s run out of time…
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
9:21 pm
Slightly…
I beg to differ! I wear the term uppity with pride!
DawgDad
Unless those two people are Jews…then, there’s five sides!
Del
October 25th, 2010
9:23 pm
Now another Democrat coming out against the “One”. This time telling him to “shove it”. Oh the crying and gnashing of teeth is getting louder and louder.
Soothsayer
October 25th, 2010
9:25 pm
DawgDad: That reminds of the story about the town that only had one lawyer. The poor guy nearly starved to death. Then, one day another lawyer moved to town and they both had more work than they knew what to do with!
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
9:25 pm
there has to be apprehension and law enforcement. Bush and Obama are both on the same side of this issue, advocating unchecked illegal immigration
I’m guessing that you’re discounting the uptick in removals last year, correct?
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 25th, 2010
9:26 pm
Are the uppity going to be the next downtrodden group du jour?
Vinny
October 25th, 2010
9:28 pm
Obama is a failure as well. He should to be abandoned
josef nix
October 25th, 2010
9:30 pm
Hillbilly
Uppity people of the world unite! Fighr back and smash the plebian oppressors!
And on that note, I shall leave for the p.m. Another day from h3ll on the agenda for the morrow…
@@
October 25th, 2010
9:35 pm
Part of the American myth is that people who are handed the skin of a dead sheep at graduating time think that it will keep their minds alive forever.–John Mason Brown
Booyah!!!!!!
G’nite.
Southern Comfort
October 25th, 2010
9:36 pm
Time to cash in the chips….
Play nice with each other. Later!!!!!
AmVet
October 25th, 2010
9:44 pm
No, the Dems do not have a Purity Tests to prove their unswavering and unthinking loyalty.
Nor nearly as much lockstep voting across the board.
And though they try their damnedest to be Republican-lites, they have never mastered the art of getting every single one of their apparatchiks to display the fealty to the party apparatus that the GOP has.
It just isn’t part and parcel of the non neo-con milieu.
The cons simply do not tend to be independent thinkers.
And consequently they have the kind of party first allegiance that makes even the mafia jealous…
Don't Forget
October 25th, 2010
10:26 pm
Del
October 25th, 2010
9:23 pm
Now another Democrat coming out against the “One”. This time telling him to “shove it”. Oh the crying and gnashing of teeth is getting louder and louder.
Not quite the full story there Del. From Fox nation:
Democratic gubernatorial candidate Frank Caprio is livid after the Providence Journal reported Monday morning President Obama would not endorse Caprio during his visit to the state today.
“He can take his endorsement and really shove it”, Caprio told John Depetro and the WPRO morning news. Caprio told WPRO he did not seek the President’s endorsement and calls the snub Washington politics.
Thank you though for providing an excellent example of being “half educated”.
Mick
October 25th, 2010
10:29 pm
If the cons do get back to power than the US will get its just deserts once and for all. I didn’t hear any dems talk about 2nd amendment remedies when al gore won the popular vote and got cheated out of florida? The cons steamrolled us into war and cut loose almost every federal regulation be it oil, banking, and real estate. So, ruin the economy then blame the dems, the party of hesitation. Now with obama as president those pesky militias are back, along with the crazy radio/tv personalities demonizing him 24/7. Yes, let them back in to finish the job. Just like the war in iraq, you knew it was coming – the obvious bad move; giving the house or congress back to the repubs will easily set us back another two years…or more.
Slightlywellusedblowupdoll
October 25th, 2010
10:31 pm
Thank you though for providing an excellent example of being “half educated”.
Education / Del = oxymoron. Esp. the moron part…………..
ld
October 25th, 2010
10:46 pm
You want to stem and reverse the tide of illegals, enact and enforce laws putting severe civil and criminal penalty on employers that hire them and put an end to free services of all kinds for them. Their country’s problems cannot be solved if those that want to live the “American Dream” leave it for THIS part of north america.
getalife
October 25th, 2010
11:01 pm
More corporate welfare .
All we will get from corrupt congress these days.
Scout
October 25th, 2010
11:31 pm
josef nix:
Where is General Pershing when we need him ?
Rex
October 26th, 2010
12:46 am
dig a moat, fill it with all nuisance alligators that are captured in Florida, Georgia, Alabama & LA instead of destroying them….any illegals that manage to survive the moat and still try to enter country are to be shot on site by snipers. End of problem…..
Oh yeah, Jay….you are a damned fool
Scout
October 26th, 2010
12:56 am
192 HOURS !
The Taxman Cometh
October 26th, 2010
3:15 am
Wow…W and the Bamster were both ardent supporters of this unproven and highly skeptical approach to our border security…I guess great minds think alike….
josef nix
October 26th, 2010
7:12 am
Okay, deportation fanatics, do something today. Note the “obvious” Mexicans you see today. Where were they? What were they doing? What were you doing? How much were you being paid to do what you do? How much are they being paid? Would you are anyone you know do their job? Would they are anyone they know do your job?
And while you’re at it, you might want to smile and say “have a nice day…” It doesn’t cost anything and you can have a nice, warm fuzzy feeling. They might go home knowing that not all gringos are unkind and unfriendly, It won’t change the big picture, for sure, but it will bring it down to the individual human being dimension and that, if we think about it, is the place to start.
Oh, well, just my thought on the way out the door to spend a day in Guadalajara del Norte!
stands for decibels
October 26th, 2010
7:21 am
the “obvious” Mexicans
Band name!
seabeau
October 26th, 2010
7:41 am
Of all the Greek city states, only Sparta had no walls. The Spartan Army was its city wall. Where Spartan Tread, Mexican’s Dread .
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
7:47 am
“The Spartan Army was its city wall. ”
Yeah! We should emulate Sparta. They had the right idea. We could even take up some of their practices…like abandoning weak or ill-formed babies to die of exposure on the hills outside the city. THAT’s the ticket!
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
7:55 am
Just when you think you’ve seen it all…
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/10/26/anti.abortion.ads/index.html
CNN) — A disturbingly graphic political ad is airing on local stations in Washington this week — and stations are telling viewers there’s nothing they can do to prevent it.
The ad, calling for an end to abortion, apparently shows bloody and dismembered fetuses, and has been airing over the past few days in the nation’s capital, including during afternoon and early-evening time slots, when children are likely to be watching.
But according to spokespersons for several of the broadcasters, they are required by law to carry the ads unaltered.
There’s a way to get your message across. Airing things like this so that children can and will see it is not one of them. I don’t care what your opinion or feeling is about a subject, you should not be able to pull a stunt like this. This country has sunk to an all time low for sure…
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
7:59 am
“Airing things like this so that children can and will see it is not one of them”
And these are people who CLAIM to care about children. yeah, right.
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
8:02 am
They care about them until they take that first breath. Then it’s like loggerhead sea turtles. Every man/woman for themselves.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
8:03 am
“They care about them until they take that first breath.”
Exactly. I’ll say it from now and forever…it’s NOT about the “children”, it’s about having power over women and their decisions.
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
8:09 am
Can’t disagree with that. Can’t disagree at all.
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
8:09 am
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
8:03 am
“They care about them until they take that first breath.”
Exactly. I’ll say it from now and forever…it’s NOT about the “children”, it’s about having power over women and their decisions.
Actually, I’ve always thought it was about self righteousness and ego maintenance.
stands for decibels
October 26th, 2010
8:10 am
an all time low for sure…
We live in a nation where a popular prime-time TV “news” pundit Bill O’Reilly was allowed to repeatedly refer to a doctor performing legal late-term abortions as “the baby killer.” Until someone actually took this pundit at his word and murdered the doctor in order to prevent the man from killing any more “babies.”
I find that fact far uglier than any stupid “lookie these hacked up fetuses” adverts some half-witted candidate concocted. But that’s just me.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
8:13 am
“Actually, I’ve always thought it was about self righteousness and ego maintenance.”
I think that qualifies as a distinction…without a difference.
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
8:14 am
dB
The totality of the circumstances really perplexes me. The same people who say this is a “Christian nation” are the same ones who pull this crap. I’m no expert in blasphemy, but I believe there will be quite a few disappointed souls on their judgement day.
AmVet
October 26th, 2010
8:17 am
OK, Scout and the gang of faketriots, dupes, rubes, guppies and delusionists believe their prayers are going to be answered in one week.
And if they are right, and they gain majorities in both chambers, perhaps the round ups can begin in earnest. Hopefully with a great deal of violence and bloodshed, right cons?
Perhaps the wholesale destruction of the environment and planet can resume again in earnest.
Perhaps the nearing of the completion of the American plutocracy can continue unimpeded.
In spite of a plethora of reasons to not vote for modern day Joe McCarthys who are stuck in the 1950s, for me there is one issue that is paramount and is the measure by which I grade these men in Washington. And that is their support for the troops. (Or shocking lack thereof)
No, not that mindless slogan that the BushCorp neo-cons and cowardly chickenhawks contrived to justify doing the very opposite, but the real thing – helping active duty members and veterans, in a wide range of issues such as unemployment, homelessness, cutting claims backlogs, Invisible injuries, help for female veterans, streamlining the GI Bill and many others.
And not in the lest bit surprisingly guess who gets failing scores? Predominantly it is the Republican members of congress. Yet their ability to utterly fool the more ignorant in their die-hard base is very effective.
Here is a link to the votes on the major issues affecting GIs and veterans and how each member of congress voted. I encourage you to look at it very closely – even you cons who don’t want to know about the issues affecting members, present and past, of the US military.
For example in Georgia, the grades are as follows:
Kingston – C
Bishop – B
Westmoreland – D
Johnson – A
Lewis – F
Price – D
Linder – D
Marshall – C
Broun – D
Gingrey – C
Barrow – B
Scott – B
Chambliss – D
Isakson – D
If you know a veteran or someone on active duty, remember this information and vote,as I will remove the men who pay lip service to our troops but stab them in the back on most votes…
http://media.iava.org/iava_action/IAVA_Action_2010_Congressional_Report_Card.pdf
stands for decibels
October 26th, 2010
8:17 am
from SoCo’s CNN link…
“Legitimate candidate? They’ve gotta run the ad,” said Howard Kurtz, host of CNN’s “Reliable Sources.”
Does this mean I can force my local Fox affiliate to run interracial gay porn clips should I become a “legitimate candidate” against, say, some otherwise uncontested school board position, and pay for the political advertising myself?
hmm…
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
8:22 am
“Does this mean I can force my local Fox affiliate to run interracial ”
It would be an interesting experiment, wouldn’t it?
Gary Indiana wants me
October 26th, 2010
8:22 am
I am so sick of hearing about that stupid wall and keeping folks out. How do we know that Obamaniac din’t put up that fence to keep us in? How do we know Obama, who’s name reads “Osama” (if’n you’re playing the name game, or using Pig Latin), doesn’t want Christine Odonell to win her seat because he needs a fellow wiccan in his underworldly realm? How do we know? I’ll tell you: We Dont!
Why don’t we just accept that we had no business in Texas and Arizona in the first place. Hello. It were Mexico Proper then. The Mexicans, who invented the breakfast burrito, (which we also stole) should have built a fence to keep the Davy Crocketts and Ronald McDonalds out.
M
Mexico was established with borders, and it was Northern MExico. But no, that weren’t good enough for slave traders, who needed more land for slave owners, so they invaded Mexico with slavery, for which Mexico fought to destroy, as the Northern USA did just a scant generation later in a little thing called the Civil War.
THose who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Those who ignore FDA recommendations about their lunch are doomed to repeat it, too. (main FDA recommendation: no breakfast burritos)
carlosgvv
October 26th, 2010
8:30 am
How is it we can spend billions on two usless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but not be able to secure our own borders? Has anyone in our government noticed the drug wars in Mexico that are getting closer to us every day? Must we wait for a large number of American deaths from these drug wars before we get our troops out of Irag and Afghanistan and put them on the border where they belong?
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
8:31 am
dB
The way they explained the law, I’d say you have a good shot at getting those campaign ads aired.
stands for decibels
October 26th, 2010
8:34 am
How do we know Obama, who’s name reads “Osama” (if’n you’re playing the name game, or using Pig Latin)
Actually in pig latin, it’s “Obamaway” which sounds like something Wayne and Garth would say, and the guy who played Wayne stood next to a guy who said that “George Bush doesn’t like black people”, which indisputably proves Obama is a racist.
Normal
October 26th, 2010
8:37 am
Good Morning all y’all,
AmVet, your 8:17 is very good and very pointed.
I’m just keeping my mouth shut for a while. I want to see what the outcome of Novemer brings and to see if the American people are really that duped. Here in Georgia it’s pretty much a done deal, but in the other races accross the nation, I hope that the voters really wake up. But…if not, I’ll keep my mouth shut until June, 2011 (give ‘em six months to fix everything like they gave Obama), and then I’ll start pointing out things. I do agree that, in the long run, Scout and his ilk are going to be very dissappointed in the end.
Doggone/GA
October 26th, 2010
8:42 am
“before we get our troops out of Irag and Afghanistan and put them on the border where they belong?”
US troops cannot be used for domestic law enforcement. They can only protect our borders from a MILIITARY invasion.
Southern Comfort
October 26th, 2010
8:52 am
Normal
I guess 6 months will be the new standard then.
ken R
October 26th, 2010
8:52 am
Daggone/Ga True, but we can put the National Guard on the border.
Give me a break
October 26th, 2010
8:54 am
Just another example of George Bush and Republican failed policies. The problem with conservatives is they don’t think out problems because they are full of hate and want a fast, easy, costly solution.
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
8:56 am
The cheapest and most effective way to deal with this problem is to enforce the law against hiring them.
Daily Pundit » Of Course It Failed! That’s What It Was Designed to Do!
October 26th, 2010
8:58 am
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Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
8:58 am
Obama got 6 months???? That’s news to me. I saw a clip on youtube showing Fox calling him a socialist from day 1 through day 50. Wish I could find it now.
Don't Forget
October 26th, 2010
9:00 am
Okay, it was the first 100 days. Here ya go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35eRxxZ-Ar0
zeke
October 26th, 2010
9:46 am
Yes, we have the technology, manpower and money to round them all up, send them back! Those who voluntarily turn themselves in, have no criminal record, have valid job available where they can be taxed appropriately, can pay or their employer pay for their health care, have no drug use or sale problem, and, agree that they have no right to US citizenship except through current rules, can be allowed a “guest worker” permit under the conditions that they must return to their home country every year for 30 to 60 days, and, any children that they have born here are not citizens of the US, but, are citizens of their home country!
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October 26th, 2010
4:31 pm
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pterophylla
October 27th, 2010
10:14 am
The federal stimulus spending has kept a whole lot of people employed, who would otherwise have been jobless, and without taking a dime from taxpayers since the money was borrowed. Time will tell if it was worth it, but it’s foolish to say the stimulus failed now.