GOP leaders steering for the iceberg

“I think it’s pretty clear where we’re headed, which is directly into the iceberg.”

Well you are right Jay, we are definetly currently on the Titanic……………..

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Sorry Jay, but I completely missed your point. What part of stopping the obscene spending and getting government out of our health care decisions do you find troubling?

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Government in our health care decisions? When did this happen?

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Jay: You should get luckovich to sketch a cartoon of this. I think it’d be pretty funny.

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Peadawg,

After watching them spend last time, do you actually believe they will change?

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Let the Republicans continue to talk. The more they talk, the more the Democrats move up in the polls.

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“After watching them spend last time, do you actually believe they will change?”

Atleast they are saying they’ll try. I haven’t seen or heard any indication from Obama that he plans on cutting anything. All I hear from him is raise taxes.

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“Government in our health care decisions? When did this happen?”

When the “free-market”, profiteers decided they were going to act completely irresponsibly.

When they earned the title of the Titans of Malfeasance and Criminal Negligence.

When the “Let the free market police itself” idiots allowed them to subvert we the people’s sovereignty.

When the American plutocracy neared maturity.

And if it is already too late, we are all hopelessly screwed

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Peadawg,

He formed the cat food commission.

The gop will not change.

Wake up.

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I guess all the spending up to january 2007 was OK? How’s about revisiting that medicare drug bill that was pushed into law by tom delay? Democrats are annoying but republicans are shameless bullies driven by ideology that services the rich.

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Realx Jay…only 11 more days until we put adults back in charge.

LOL at Bookman…like continuing to run Barack’s $1.3 trillion deficit every year for the forseeable future isn’t “steering for the iceberg”…

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Jay, What is your solution for the fine mess we find ourselves in? I know if my credit card debt is high there is a need to quit spending or bankruptcy is around the corner. Our debt is now at 13 + Trillion dollars. Rich people, the top 3% of our nation pay 97% of the Income taxes now. Also there are 47% of the nation on food stamps. If we raised taxes to 100% of the tax paying citizens, there would not be enough money to pay our national debt. What part of unsustainable do you not understand? The journey of a 1000 miles begins with 1 step. Let’s get off the Socialist bus because its destination is Povertyville for all.

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Ughmerica Ugmerica!

God shed disgrace on Thee!!

There is no Good, or Brotherhood

from sea to shining sea!

Ugmerica = just a con job for the masses now.

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One thing the Dems haven’t tried: responsible governance. In an essay titled “Republicans Kind Of soock . . . Which Is Why They Will Win Huge in November,” Frank J. Fleming presents an imaginary dialogue that perfectly captures the Democrats’ approach:

Americans: “So, the economy is pretty bad and there’s high employment [sic]. You think you can do something about that?”
Democrats and Obama: “We can spend a trillion dollars we don’t have on pork and stuff.”
Americans: “No . . . that’s not what we want. We’d really like you not to do that.”
Democrats: “You’re stupid. We’re doing it anyway.”
Americans: “That’s not going to help us get jobs!”
Democrats: “Sure it will; millions of them … though they may be invisible. You’ll have to trust us they exist. And guess what else we’ll do: We’ll create a giant new government program to take over health care.”
Americans: “That has nothing to do with jobs!”
Democrats: “We don’t care about that anymore. We really want a giant new health care program. We’re sure you’ll love it.”
Americans: “Don’t pass that bill. You hear me? Absolutely do not pass that bill.”
Democrats: “Believe me; you’ll love it. It has … well, I don’t know what exactly is in the bill, but we’re sure it’s great.”
Americans: “Listen to me: DO. NOT. PASS. THAT. BILL.”
Democrats: “You’re not the boss of me! We’re doing it anyway!”

As Fleming notes, “The Democrats soocked. But not just plain old, usual politician soocked. . . . It’s Godzilla-smashing-through-a-city level of soock–but a really patronizing Godzilla who says you’re just too stupid and hateful to see all the buildings he’s saved or created as he smashes everything apart.”

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Ya I agree that the rich should pay more. If only we had that PERFECT candidate…..

I’m not saying the rich should pay more. I’m saying that none of the tax cuts should be extended. That’s what they should be fighting for if they are serious about no more borrowing or spending compromises.

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Come on cons and libs.

w punked the cons.

Obama punked the libs.

Now the cons think the gop will not punk them again.

Look up the definition of insanity gullible Americans.

Geez.

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Anyway, the message appears to be that if the Republicans seize power again, they will return our healthcare system to the way it was, for starters. Go for it. Then, they’re going to do something about our debt and borrowing. Riiiiiight. What would that be. Let me guess. They’ll recommend a tax cut to fix it. Pence, like all the rest of his “just say no” crowd have gone well beyond stoopid. That pack of losers is just plain insane.

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getalife

October 22nd, 2010
10:56 am

So what is the solution if they both say one thing and do another.

Should we not continue to vote out those who spend like drunken sailors and pay little to no attention to the wants, and desires of the American voting public?

Seems to me if we keep voting out liars we may eventually get some honest people who will try to do what is best for the country, not what is best for them as an individual or what follows their ideology?

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Nothing wrong with spending, just have to balance the revenue side.

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@ Halftrack at10:54 am, please don’t confuse them with facts. Life in the fantasy world is much more enjoyable.

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Punkd?
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After news of Google tax dodges, Obama raises money with Google execs

On the day it was reported that Google uses income shifting techniques known by such arcane names as the “Double Irish” and the “Dutch Sandwich” to avoid paying taxes on its foreign profits, President Obama attended an intimate, high-dollar fundraiser at the Palo Alto, California home of a top Google executive.

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Why do I suspect all we will really see from the GOP will be more nonsense on abortion and gay marriage that does nothing as well as increasing deficits…I for one have had enough of the nonsense of the GOP. They didn’t do anything when they had control but spend spend spend so why should I believe anything they say now?

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The only question I ask the fed pols is when and how would you fix our corrupt system?

All Americans should be asking this question.

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Southern Comfort@10:49 – the Progressives scored bonus points with your buy-in to their lies about tax cuts and increases.

There can only be increases, regardless of everyone getting an increase or only the selected few. The current tax rates will go up or stay the same; therefore no tax decrease, only the possibility of an increase.

The BS line about paying for tax cuts for the wealthy, is just that BS. Obama and his supporters have framed that part of the conversation like it will cost the government, therefore the people, billions if taxes on the wealthy are not increased. No, if the Bush tax cuts are extended for all the situation would be status quo.

What has happened is, Obama has a budget, which the Democratically controlled Congress failed to address for political reasons, which is based on expiration of the Bush tax cuts. Without the increase on the wealthy, his budget will have a bigger deficit.

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” Filibuster every repub bill”

They can’t filibuster a bill in the House. Only in the Senate.

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Jay,
Just what the hell do you think this idiot congress and president have been doing that has brought on this backlash and economic nightmare.
NO COMPRIMISE….
WAKE UP YOU HYPOCRITES…

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We need the likes of horror director John Carpenter to do justice to the brutal splitting open of the Republican ‘body’, with writhing bloody tentacles wriggling in every direction as a blood-dripping maw opens up and devours the other half that split off. When the devouring is complete – and that should happen some time shortly after the mid-term elections, that will be the conclusion of the transition and will mark the end of the Republican party as we knew it once and for all. At this point, the stage will be set for an ideological showdown of 20th C proportions. I don’t know if we’ll see repeats of fascists and communists going after each other with chains and knives as happened in the streets of Munich and Berlin in the 20s and 30s, but I fear this time the government shutdown may not end as well as its precursor in the 1990s did and once institutions start failing on this level, all bets are off.

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**They can’t filibuster a bill in the House. Only in the Senate**

No kidding.

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“So what is the solution if they both say one thing and do another.”

That is the question to ask the politicians.

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“To be honest, I can’t see that anything will change if the R’s take the House in Nov. They’re already successfully holding up bills in the Senate. How is anything going to be different just because they might be able to hold them up in the House as well?”

Correct. And until the Left-nuts understand that compromise must exist, nothing will get done. It’s time for Obama and the Left-nuts to end their victory lap…the victory lap that has saddled our country with entitlements, and therefore debt.

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**Progressives are leading the country to ruin with Obama at the helm.**

Sorry, but the previous president already accomplished that.

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“but I fear this time the government shutdown may not end as well as its precursor in the 1990s did and once institutions start failing on this level, all bets are off.”

And I beg to differ – seems crisis management is when most gets done, and with compromise.

Look at 11th hour union/management discussions as an example………both backs to the wall has more of an impact vs one backed into a corner…………

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sc @ 11:17

I second that assessment.

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Guy @11:11, don’t worry.

If you want to play completely dumb, I will not try to disabuse you of doing so.

Lets just say that rather than side with the deniers, I agree with an acknowledged expert – the Chairman of the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank who called that uncomfortable little implosion of September 2008, “A sustained orgy of greed and reckless behavior.”

And to your point, I have done so repeatedly. Countless examples of MASSIVE corporate fraud and numerous other crimes. But if you are like Bill Callahan, I could post 20 examples right now and you would deny and disregard every one of them out of hand…

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Southern Comfort@11:17 – my apologies, with a few caveats. I agree taxes must go up and spending down if we are to have any chance of recovering. However, as to the Bush tax cuts, I believe the only thing that should go up is personal income taxes, and that should be dealayed a couple of years to give the recovery a better chance.

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Jay…
In the real world…we hit the iceberg when we elected OBAMA and forgot to shut the water proof doors when we let the libs take over congress.
We are NOW trying to “purge” the ship and save it from sinking.
This is a much more real.

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thomas,

It’s the system so you can vote them all out but the new ones will still be in a corrupt system.

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big d

Correction – obama is trying to save the ship from going under from the self inflicted damage incurred during the previous reign of error.

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“If and its a huuuge if, the Repubs take both house and senate, will you also blame president Obama for vetoing any bills and claim he is holding up new laws?”

Depends on the reason for his veto. If the bills do fit the agenda he was elected on, no I would not. If they do, and it appears he is only vetoing them because of pique…then yes, I would.

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Am I the only one who’s enjoying the events unfolding in France? I even heard that the spark may be jumping the channel to the UK.

Why, who knows, maybe next year when the US government shuts down we’ll get to see some of it here. I only have one request; all of these disturbances can have maximum effect if we only remember to put up lots of visible banners reading: “brought to you by reckless financiers near you!!”

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well.. bookman has showed us quite a bit.. criticizing repugs yet showing aps as a shining example of leadership.. lol

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In the real world…we hit the iceberg when we elected OBAMA

Because everything was going GREAT up until then! There WERE NO icebergs! There was no deficit, no bleeding of jobs overseas, no problem with the free-market financial sector… (Heck, the wars weren’t even IN the budget, so that’s how you fix that part of the deficit!) Why, it was all so bright, we had to wear shades!

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Jay,

I currently pay for Medicare that I don’t use. I pay for Medicaid that I don’t use. I pay for Social Security that I’ll probably never receive. I pay for food stamps that I don’t use. I could go on and on. I sure could use all of this money to help support my family, give to my church and to people that I know really need it, or use to patronize local business. Given this, why would the shut down of government be such a bad thing?

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“The last Republican Congress didn’t suffer from too little compromise, it suffered too much”

Yes..because what the American people are tired of is compromise. There has been entirely too much compromise recently. The American people want to see their Congress even more dysfunctional and partisan; a place where absolutely nothing gets done.

What an enormous ass hat this guy is.

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“If and its a huuuge if, the Repubs take both house and senate, will you also blame president Obama for vetoing any bills and claim he is holding up new laws?

Or is he allowed to decide based on his principles?”

If he starts vetoing every bill by the Republicans, he’ll be the President of NO…just like and others have accused the GOP of doing.

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Shutting down government is the best possible solution …

“Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other.”
–Oscar Ameringer

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md, revolution is an interesting word.

–noun
1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.
2. Sociology . a radical and pervasive change in society and the social structure, esp. one made suddenly and often accompanied by violence. Compare social evolution.
3. a sudden, complete or marked change in something: the present revolution in church architecture.

Most here pay lip service to their favorite pet peeves and villains. They bluster about change, but it is transparent and insincere. They have done very little if any reading and research. They allow talking heads to do their thinking for them.

And they love the failed status quo and advocate for MORE of it. Either the Republican version. Or the Democratic version.

Because they lack courage and common sense to do otherwise. And sadly most are completely self-obsessed. Even their children and grandchildren don’t much matter any more.

They are terrified at the thought of worthwhile sacrifice and are die-hard adherents of the failed philosophy of “The evil you know…”

I am not. And that is why I use words like sovereignty and plutocracy and valor and noble experiments. And why I advocate for a competitive democracy. And systemic, fundamental improvements.

I refuse to join these minutiae-men (NOT to be confused with the early patriots at Concord.) who are voluntarily clueless as to what is either going on, or have an inkling of how to change it. They are very content to try and tweak a few things here and there – in an utterly unworkable and failed system – rather than take the risks to get the rewards. They play it safe and they pretty much disgust me.

And to me, they are the very antithesis to the men who “…mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

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What about the trillion we spent on Bush’s “holy war”? I just don’t want another Republican wasting our tax money building up the economy of rogue nations. I’d rather have the money spent on us for a change. Also, I can’t see supporting an economic strategy that gives tax breaks to healthcare companies and big oil when we pay $1,000 a month for insurance and $5 a gallon for gas everytime it rains hard in the gulf.

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Doggone/GA

October 22nd, 2010
11:30 am

were the republican members of congress not voting “no” based on the agenda and principles they set forth to get themselves elected? Why would you hold the two to different standards?

Either it is OK for all to do or it is not OK for any to do. isn’t that fair?

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straitroad,

“give to my church”

Perhaps to be fair…your church should rescind it’s tax exempt status and start paying taxers like other companies.

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“All the Left-nuts forget that Obama was supposed to come in a Save us all, that’s what he told us over and over again”

Really Nice Guy? Do you have a quote where he said that because I followed the election pretty closely and I missed it.

Or….

Do you have your fill of hyperbole this morning?

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unions do the same thing.. they shut down business if they dont get their way.. where is the faux outrage?

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“In the real world…we hit the iceberg when we elected OBAMA”

I think the key word here is ‘HIT.’ Perhaps we have actually now made contact with the iceberg rather than just steering towards, which was the case prior to Obama.

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Bosch

October 22nd, 2010
11:41 am

That was the solution I offered. Would it appease you more if i offered two or 3? How many is an acceptable standard by you?

I never said to vote in other districts. Control what you can control and do not worry about the other stuff… as you have no control over it.

But i get it you needed some attention and thought a over dramatic post would do it.

Seems you are still a lil’ bitter from yesterday. I’m sorry!

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Southern Comfort

October 22nd, 2010
11:43 am

I agree 100%.

Was simply getting clairification, as many who call for the tax cuts to end forget about child tax credits and such many often only look at the %.

Obviously you do not and i have nothing further to add as i am in 100% agreement.

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And the band played on. That part in Titanic always makes me cry.

It’s a battle to see who will be KING OF THE WORLD. Europe?

After decades of carrying all that extra weight, they’re starting to throw the non-essentials overboard.

LOWER THE LIFEBOATS! Conservatives and children first!!!!!

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I just love it when people think that this country is going to automatically right itself simply by putting Republicans back in office. Granted, the Democrats are far from perfect, but anybody who thinks that Republicans are going to turn things around overnight is in for a rude awakening. Putting people like Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Art Robinson, and any of these other right wing fringe lunatics in office is nothing but a recipe for disaster.

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The Titanic was the made up Iraq WAR, which the grand children will be paying for.

Mission accomplished !

I imagine the Republican’s would like another WAR some where so ” Cost Plus Contracts ” can be enacted yet again, and the US treasury can get bilked once again.

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Whatever it takes to torpedo Øbungle. It should be abundantly obvious to anyone that whatever the answers to America’s problems are they are totally unknown to Zippy’s teleprompter. He is just a suave, debonair, metro sexual who would be doing underwear commercials for JC Penny if it weren’t for the fact that in America morons are allowed to vote. Our very survival depends on stopping the Muslim Marxist while we still have a country. Time to throw Holy Water on this vampire and drive a stake through his evil heart (metaphorically, that is).

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thomas

Agreed!! I’m for ending them all. Obama put a tax cut into the stimulus bill. I’d say let that one expire too. Until we get a grip on the deficit, all the electoral gimmicks need to stop.

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Guy, my point was more over-arching than just that one specific profiteering industry, but it remains valid.

Americans spend more money on health care than in any other country on the planet. And the outcomes are arguably no better. We are 27th in some lists and fading.

Corruption, waste, fraud, incompetence and abuse by the for-profit shysters are some of the reasons.

Millions of Americans die needlessly every year, because they are not profitable enough.

And we both know I can and have provided dozens of examples heretofore to prove that case.

The health care industry in this nation is wrecked, an economic disaster and a tragic joke.

And had the profiteers acted responsibly and ethically, Uncle Sam would not have even had to get involved…

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“Whatever it takes to torpedo Øbungle”

And there we have the most heartfelt statement of the day…people like this don’t care if the country succeeds as long as Obama fails.

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Haven’t you right-wingers heard the good news??? Even with one hand tied behind his back, President Obama’s policies allowed creation of more private sector jobs in 2010 than Bush did in his entire 8 years. You guys can’t drive and you DON’T deserve the keys back!

Fiscal conservatism is a proven train wreck; a mythical theory that needs to be abandoned before our country is literally owned by China.

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I’m in agreement with thomas and SoCo on the credits.

How many here see their tax refund as a savings account, spending it before it arrives?

Pas moi!

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Nice Guy,

“Have you forgotten his campaign mantra: Hope & Change you can believe in…”

Yes, I remember that.

Now, where in his campaign speeches did he promise to save us all?

Or, again, have you had enough hyperbole for one day?

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“no compromise on spending & deficits”

oh really. $13 trillion debt – $9 trillion borrowed by Republicans (two-thirds)

I’ll say this. They’ve got gall. Sociopaths have no shame, no remorse.

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No compromises? How do these jerks think our country got this far? Diverse opinions have always been our strength until now. They seem to think anarchy is OK as long as they’re the ones pulling the strings but whine about being excluded like a bunch of spoiled brats when things don’t go their way.

What short and convenient memories Republicans have. Where were all of these people who are so concerned about the deficit when Bush/Cheney were creating it from the surplus of the Clinton era? Further, if the Bush tax cuts were such a good idea, why weren’t they permanent? Surely it wasn’t to set the stage to claim that Democrats raised taxes if they weren’t renewed.

It’s going to take more than narcissitic talk show blowhards and the uninformed and unquestioning running around in revolutionary period drag to move us forward as a nation.

Our enemies thank them for the precipice of hate they’re driving us toward.

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“How many here see their tax refund as a savings account”

More like a forced loan with zero interest……….

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“Putting people like Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Art Robinson, and any of these other right wing fringe lunatics in office is nothing but a recipe for disaster.”

Look at it as balancing some that are already there such as Pelosi, Rangle, Frank etc

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We already hit the iceburg…. We need to try to keep the thing afloat….Democrats once again, have proven to stupid to be in charge.

pat I agree, the massive loss of (economic) lives took place starting in September of 2008, with the culmination of the nearly successful corporate destruction of capitalism

It is not that the Tweedledeers and Tweedledummers are too (Not to) stupid to be in charge.

They are merely too gutless and unethical…

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Union: “awesome.. i like it.. how bout we toss in a 50% tax on any union forced dues?”

And who do these proceeds go to? The Dick Armey’s of the world?

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Jay, maybe the best thing that could happen to us is if our Gov’t. shut down for a few months. We have way to many politicians screwing up our country as it is.

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How to get a corrupt congress to change a corrupt system?

It’s a tough question and Americans are not voting them out.

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“were the republican members of congress not voting “no” based on the agenda and principles they set forth to get themselves elected?”

No, they weren’t and no they aren’t. They are holding up bills solely to prevent them from passing. They don’t care what’s in them. How do I suspect that? Because even when they propose amendments and those amendments pass…they then either vote against they bill, or they hold it up.

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kinda halfway sounds like “read my lips, no new taxes” dudinint?

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ken R,

“maybe the best thing that could happen to us is if our Gov’t. shut down for a few months.”

Before you make statements like that, perhaps you should see the consequences such a scenario would cause. Want a passport, gun, or go to Yosemite? And now with TSA as Federal entity, want to fly to Boston for that sales meeting?

http://www.rules.house.gov/archives/98-844.pdf

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AmVet – complaining about sending Tom Price back??? How about your favorite man Hank Johnson? How about the slobbering Barney Frank, Reid, etc. He has no problem with the government running health care??? Hopefully they will do such an outstanding job in this area as they do for SS, USPS, Medicare/MediCad, etc.

Amazes me that AmVet shares than same district with me. I wonder who was that 1 person driving around Alpharetta with an Obama sticker.

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Well Jay – The libs have taken the country over the waterfall in a barrell. Tell me this, if the Obama administration and the dems are doing such a great job, how come they suck so bad?
Where are the jobs? Where is the recovery?

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“I believe it is in the 8% range.”

Which happened to do pretty good for itself….along with Wall St.

The industry that took the biggest hit – Construction/Real Estate – not so much.

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Ken,

“companies do not pay taxes, people pay taxes !”

Well…I guess with Citizens United v Federal Election Commission…you might be right.

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But people believe it because they want to.

Wouldn’t it be nice if people actually faced consequences for spreading lies?

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Doggone/GA

October 22nd, 2010
12:05 pm

There were still things, even after their ammendments were added, that some of the republicans were fundamentally against and were elected on those fundamentals.

Should republicans not vote on their fundamental principles?

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“How to get a corrupt congress to change a corrupt system?”

Don’t you mean get a corrupt congress to change a corrupt congress??

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Jay, are you saying that I shouldn’t believe all the political commercials during an election year? LOL

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SPSU, my favorite man Hank Johnson? Obama bumper stickers?

Do you ever tire of being the clueless fool with his feet forever in his mouth?

(Don’t worry, the question is rhetorical.)

But you do provide some comedic spectacle, so you are not totally useless…

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JewCowboy, I am quite aware that we can’t really shut down our Gov’t It was whimsical dreaming.

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Jay, maybe the best thing that could happen to us is if our Gov’t. shut down for a few months. We have way to many politicians screwing up our country as it is.

What kind of pervert wants the federal government to shut down? Millions without Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. All federal agencies closed—no food inspections, no work on vaccines, etc. Are you mad?

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MD they are doing it with fear, and wages that would starve you & me.

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Union: “left wing management – (nice oxymoron btw) they would go to the states for retirement accounts..”

Ah but wouldn’t that violate your whole volunteerist principle by forcing these accounts? Nah, let’s just drop that idea and stick with the taxes that stick it to the financiers.

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jewcowboy, companies do not pay taxes, people pay taxes !

Yep, and google is the latest to jump on that bandwagon by sending profits to the Caribbean.

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Disgusted – Yes, nobody would care about food safety, caring for their elderly parents, creating profitable medicines (private companies do this you know, not the government), care about auto safety, care about protecting themselves, etc. without the government. What an idiot!

Before the turn of the 20th century virtually nobody in america had any association with anyone from the federal government outside of the post office. Now they regulate virtually everything that everyone does from birth to death. Any to what benefit. This country is not as messed up as it is because there is not enough government, it is messed up because there is WAY TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT.

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you guys say, “Vote ‘em out, vote ‘em out”. Hogewash! How do you know if your vote is being counted? If you vote against a shill of the Corporate Gods, how do you know? Being an Electrinics Engineer, I know how easily it is to have, say, 10% of the oppositions vote to fall into the bit bucket and be lost forever in cyberspace. No one’s the wiser and no paper trail to fall back on. Vote ‘em out? Hah, you guys really are naive.

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Good catch!

Which is why I wrote I believe it is in the 8% range.

Like always? A rather childish, unfounded assertion, no?

So don’t get your panties in a wad.

I don’t usually agree wit AmVet, but he is correct about Unions, the only country without Unions are Communist countries. The Unions have given all of us better wages better working conditions and a better way of life. Yes there are deffinately some bad apples in the Unions but I believe that the good outweigh the bad.

ken, well spoken. The demonization of them is to me most bizarre given that the demonizers enjoy innumerable benefits derived from them.

Excluding, of course, our completely self-made friends!

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ken R,

“I am quite aware that we can’t really shut down our Gov’t It was whimsical dreaming.”

I would say more like a nightmare when you look at the reality of shutting it down. Though in some respects i agree with about shutting it…just so all the people who complain about government spending and those who want a government small enough to drown, can see what comes with that.

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Where do you get the idea that the Dems in the US Congress are “far left” my friend?

Same place they heard that NPR is a liberal radio outfit.

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“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.”

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stands for decibels,

“Same place they heard that NPR is a liberal radio outfit.”

Palin and Newt?

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I will not donate anymore to NPR! Where is the separation of radio and state? That has got to be the new interpretation of the constitution by the liberals. If not they will get a judge to make it a law.

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jewcowboy: your church should rescind it’s tax exempt status and start paying taxers like other companies.
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Too bad about that whole “separation of church and state thing”…it’s a b i tch when it works the other way, eh?

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“Don’t you mean get a corrupt congress to change a corrupt congress??”

The idea was to serve and go back to their regular jobs like farming.

Now, it a billion dollar industry(lobbyists) with career politicians.

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jewcowboy

October 22nd, 2010
12:31 pm
Outstanding resources! Hey if they had heard anything from Biden and Pelosi I would have been worried.

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Any discussion lately on how Obama is keeping his campaign promise to lower the sea level?

I’m not kidding. He promised. During his first term.

What if Sara Palin had promised to lower the sea level?

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11 DAYS !!!

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“My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.” [Barack Obama]

(He was telling the truth.)

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Lil’ Barry Bailout,

“Too bad about that whole “separation of church and state thing”

I just find someone complaining about about having to pay taxes b/c the want to give money to an organization that is tax-exempt rather amusing.

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Getalife:

Which party is making every effort to send new blood to Washington?

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“But hope springs eternal in the human breast.”

I’m going to make a tshirt out of that one.

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@@,

“Which party is making every effort to send new blood to Washington?”

Do witches have blood?

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Any discussion lately on how Obama is keeping his campaign promise to lower the sea level?

I believe he’s partially kept that promise.
I think his strategy is to remove all drilling rigs and reduce the number of fishing boats allowed in the waters thus dropping the sea level. Fewer things in the water will drop the level.

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“but we know.. we remember.. and you WILL be held accountable.

NEVER AGAIN!”

Here we have yet another example of a “conservative” drama queen. With their penchant for costumes at rallies, I suggest again that the these”conservatives” need to participate in their local community theater rather than the political process.

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jcb, not sure but you could ask their fiscally conservative vampire friends…

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you dont think taxes are forced?

I see that verb used a lot.

Do you advocate that taxes be voluntary?

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Getalife:

The TP candidates are letting it be known that they belong to no party. I’d be willing to give ‘em a chance.

“But hope springs eternal in the human breast.”

I’m going to make a tshirt out of that one.

Is that because you’re still nursing, Bosch?

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The excessively low interest rates put in place by the Federal Reserve created a housing bubble that led to the “creation” of 1 million new construction jobs between 2002 and 2006. Of course, the bubble burst has led to the loss of 2 million construction jobs since 2007. What the myopic pundits on CNBC don’t realize, because they aren’t programmed to think, is that the Greenspan Housing Bubble “created” millions of other jobs that had no chance of being sustained. The number of realtors grew from 750,000 in 2000 to 1.3 million in 2006. We needed hundreds of thousands of new mortgage brokers and appraisers to falsify documents and not conduct proper due diligence. Wall Street needed to hire thousands of new MBA shysters to create fraudulent packages of toxic mortgages and the rating agencies needed to hire thousands of Burger King level thinkers to stamp AAA on the packages of toxic mortgages. These were just the direct jobs created by Easy Al. Home Depot, Lowes and a myriad of other home retailers built thousands of stores to service the needs of all these new “homeowners” and hired hundreds of thousands of clerks, installers, and cashiers. Once the delusion really got going, the “equity” from the homes generated jobs at car dealers, restaurants, cosmetic surgery centers, cruise lines, and yacht retailers.

“Friends, you say you have no job, no income and no assets? Well, come see me–Easy Al–down here at Greenspan’s New Home Lot. No credit, poor credit–it doesn’t matter. Everyone’s approved.”

If you want a real assessment of our economy and our near term prospects for recovery you owe to yourself to read this article.

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“You are the ones we’ve been waiting to vote out of office”

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This is an interesting read. Maybe we are headed down the same path no matter who controls congress.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2026961,00.html

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“I was so wrong–Hillary only hates HALF of America.”

And we have yet another example of a “conservative” drama queen.

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md
**Don’t look now, but the biggest communist country out there is kicking our ass in labor costs**

Oh thats a good one, so what are you proposing communistic capitalism?

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http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/

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Does anybody have any rational reason why the feds fund NPR anyway? What national purpose does it serve?

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stands for decibels @ 12.34,

It begs the question if these people realize the Corporation for Public Broadcasting board (which controls NPR and PBS) consists of 4 D’s and 4 R’s and 1 Independent.

Or that the current CEO, Patricia Harrison, was once the co-chair of the RNC and was a political appointee in the State Dept in the Bush Administration.

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Not gay, but I’m gonna borrow this quote from Obama:

“You are not alone. You didn’t do anything wrong. You didn’t do anything to deserve being bullied. And there is a whole world waiting for you, filled with possibilities.”

Speaking from a “not so gay” perspective about the country’s uncertain future, I’d have to say he’s right.

Americans haven’t done anything wrong, nor did we deserve the left’s bullying tactics.

Yes….the possibilities are endless without the uber left running the show.

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Then kindly explain why unemployment in every month of the Idiot Messiah regime was higher than at any point of our President Bush’s eight years.

If you shed millions more jobs than are created, unemployment will be higher no matter how many jobs you create. It’s simple math. If you start at 0 and subtract 3 million. If you add 1.5 million, you’re still in the negative.

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RB,

Do you not listen to Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me? I mean, that show alone is worth the 18, 19 million or so the feds cough up alone.

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Obama created $3trillion in new debt over the past 20 months. If the Republicans win in a landslide then why should they compromise with Obama. It will be clear the country wants to move in a new direction.

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Come on folks, larry’s not up to the job, so help a brother out. More jobs created in 2010 than during our President Bush’s two terms in office, and yet unemployment is higher now than it ever was during His eight years. What gives?

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RB,

And Car Talk? I mean, come on.

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LBB

You’re trying to compare pure numbers to a percentage. The two are not directly comparable.

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U.S. President George W. Bush, saying “our entire economy is in danger,” urged Congress to approve his administration’s $700 billion bailout proposal.

He said passage of the $700 billion bailout proposal was needed to restore confidence in the market.

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Let’s see, $800 billion in stimulus divided by larry’s 800,000 new jobs…that’s about a million bucks a job.

Heckuva “job”, Idiot Messiah!

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Atlantan,

So are you suggesting a coup or an all out revolution?

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Bosch:

Who first addressed whom yesterday, and how did that who (you) go about it?

Was it addressed directly to me? NO!

I think @@ secretly hates women — equating rape with sexual escapades. Unbelievable.

It was one of those girly snipes for which you’ve become so well known.

If I was into discussing popcorn and puppy poop, we could have a civil exchange, but I’m not so we never will.

Understood?

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Also, Jay, your post within the shools debate the other day was good except for one major issue. The lower class you keep protecting does not have a work ethic that will sustain them as they once did. They are being fed a line of crap by you and other socialists that you will take care of them in exchange for their vote and they don’t need to do anything on their own to change their lot in life. The reason people hire illegals is simple. They work. They show up every day, work all day, and don’t steal your crap on the way out the door. And to many employers, that’s worth the risk over the alternative. And no, they shouldn’t be here, but that’s a different issue.

If many of them worked as hard at work as they do at working the system, they’d actually do pretty well for themselves.

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However we got here, we must take drastic action sometimes soon or we will look just like Greece and France today. What do you think the moochers of society will do if the public trough is no longer filled for them?

Do you want to be in Atlanta when that happens? We better have some grownups regain control of the government.

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When is Obama gonna comment on the NPR/Juan Williams drama?

Even the ombudsman for NPR says it was handled badly. Too late.

Juan is hosting O’Reily’s show tonight at 8pm. Go get ‘em Mr. Williams

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But larry, you claim the Idiot Messiah singlehandedly created 800,000 jobs this year (note that our President Bush was President at no time during this period). Why is unemployment still higher today than at any point during President Bush’s administration?

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Let’s see, $800 billion in stimulus divided by larry’s 800,000 new jobs…that’s about a million bucks a job.

Heckuva “job”, Idiot Messiah!

Then why did these Republicans say that it would create jobs ?

http://washingtonindependent.com/100992/republicans-who-bashed-stimulus-lobbied-for-funds-argued-money-would-create-jobs

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I see the progressive liberals lambasting the conservatives online and through tv ads. They sure are funny. There are 3 or so here that are real funny too. I never hear them talking about the democrat platform! Why is that? Hey what is their platform? Has Obama told them yet?

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Here in Georgia they don’t even admit they’re Democrats in their ads.

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Red herring, larry. Maybe you should ask them about their statements. I’m asking you about yours.

Cue the chirping crickets.

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john Galt,

“However we got here, we must take drastic action sometimes soon or we will look just like Greece and France today.”

Why? What proof to have the United States has to take drastic action sometime soon…verifiable proof from a non-partisan source.

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Jay@12:06 – thanks for the correction on the 1% finanical transaction tax, I will take it up with my email chain buddies.

Can you refute the realestate tax that was put in the healthcare bill? Or, the $154 billion more for Fannie/Freddie Obama has not announced?

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Cowboy:

Bad taste?

I think my gay friends…many conservative…would disagree with you.

Together, we share.

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jewcowboy

October 22nd, 2010
1:20 pm
Common sense is a non-partisan source. But what do you know about a non-partisan source?

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AmVet…seriously…you are the biggest fool I have ever seen post on this blog. Your corporate conspiracy theories are absolutely, positively, the ultimate in paranoid gobbledygook.

Why don’t you tell us what you would like to see government do to rein in these irresponsible corporate monsters? This ought to be really, really, humorous. My guess, though, is that you’ll take the Kamchak route and decline to post anything in your own words, choosing instead to bore us with a 5,000 word cut-and-paste of complete nonsense, and then declare that, due to your obvious (in your own mind) intellectual superiority, it would be a waste for you to explain any of this to the masses.

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md

Thats a cop out but not a surprise considering your infamous hair splitting. In some parts of the world slavery is there, should that be considered also?

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jewcowboy

October 22nd, 2010
1:18 pm
You answered a question with a question? Not really an answer is it. I will give you part one….stop spending

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AmVet

October 22nd, 2010
12:50 pm

“I think they need to stick with the tried and true: Obama is a socialist and we have to take our country back!”

A challenge to you, Mr. AmVet…instead of merely mocking that statement, why don’t you either;

A) Tell us why we’re wrong on declaring Obama a socialist, or
B) Tell us why socialism is something we should embrace

Thanks in advance.

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“You’re down on the dems and reps. Who do you plan on voting for?”

For senator, Charlie Melancon.

He is a rare politician because when you contact him with a problem, he tries to help.

His team even follows up on the problem to see if they fixed it.

Shocking but he is good people.

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Chuck, what grade are you in ? I will not put up with the name calling, i dont do it myself.

The September jobs report was just released and demonstrates that America is on a far slower path to recovery than anyone originally predicted. Despite this, the shedding of government jobs cloaks a glimmer of hope: more private sector jobs have been created this year than during the entire Bush administration. Read that again: 2010 has had more private job creation than during the entire 8 year tenure of George W. Bush.

This is the 9th straight month of private sector job growth in the midst of a devastating recession that has put a serious strain mostly on the poor and middle class. There has been a total of 863,000 private sector jobs created in 2010, exceeding the total created under the Bush/Cheney regime.

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@@,

“Bad taste?”

Bad taste…how about just plain crass. Co-opting a message meant to save kids lives for your own political agenda is insensate and quite reprehensible.

“I think my gay friends…many conservative…would disagree with you.”
Wow! You have gay friends and you are not gay as you so prominently had to write before lest anyone get the wrong impression about you…should we give you cookie?

“Together, we share.”

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Bosch,
I agree with you on how do we get to vote on all the races. I’ll go one better: how in Georgia do we get to vote someone out of office (i.e. Tom Price, Phil Gingrey) when they have no one running against them? Oh yes, Georgia is really a great state!!!!!!!!!!!

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williebkind,

“Common sense is a non-partisan source. But what do you know about a non-partisan source?”

Will you please show me verifiable data from “common sense.”

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Nice try bookman, the liberal ship is sunk and at the bottom of the sea and here you are trying to sink the republican ship. As usual, you are deadass wrong and another example of a ticked off liberal who thinks the American people are idiots because we just don’t understand what the messiah is trying to do. We understand and we are going to react in great numbers on 11/02.

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Only a fool belives there is a tea party, they are just republicans.

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Inbread republicans at that.

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Sandra

October 22nd, 2010
1:30 pm
What do you propose? That we select randomly someone from the other side. That is not the state’s responsibility unless you are for socialist style government. Is that your idea?

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williebkind,

“You answered a question with a question? Not really an answer is it.”

Your original post stated, “I see the progressive liberals lambasting the conservatives online and through tv ads.” My follow up was meant to show that no substantive information comes through tv ads.

“I will give you part one….stop spending”
How simplistic…I’m quite sure that will help.

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“Thats a cop out but not a surprise considering your infamous hair splitting.”"

Hair splitting?? Hopefully you mean “words do have meaning”………….

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Jackie

October 22nd, 2010
1:27 pm

“Slightly off topic, but saga about Justice Clarence Thomas’s wife wanting an apology from Anita Hill shows how the so-called conservatives will do just about anything to prove their point”

Actually, Jackie, I always though that Ms. Hill’s totally unsubstantiated allegations against Clarence Thomas, after many years of working for him, in fact asking him for a job along the way, all the while never issuing one peep of complaints about his behavior, pretty much shows how the so-called liberals will do just about anything to prove their point.

Or, stated another way, it shows how desperate liberals are to keep black people laboring on the Democrat plantation, denying them the right to have any opinions of their own, and ensuring they toe the liberal line as laid out for them by elite white liberals.

Anita HIll was and is nothing but a pawn, used and discarded by the white liberal elite power structure.

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We’ve already hit the iceberg and are sinking. Maybe a lifeboat will arrive on 11/2/10.

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“Only a fool belives there is a tea party, they are just republicans.”

w’s base.

Yes they are cons that will vote gop but they gave us witches, aqua Buddha, man up (while she cuts and run from the media) and the famous attacking and arresting reporters.

Comedy gold.

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“how in Georgia do we get to vote someone out of office (i.e. Tom Price, Phil Gingrey) when they have no one running against them?”

You get off your fanny and go run for office………

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Charlie Melancon? New blood.

Agreed on:

Lifting the moratorium on drilling

Supporting our strong defense

Eliminating the death tax.

Securing our borders.

Second Amendment Rights

Supporting families thru pro-life measures

He’s rather vague on the remaining issues. How’s he gonna pay for ‘em?

He’s a supporter of small business, Obamacare, raising the minimum wage, but doesn’t really mention how he feels about raising the taxes on those making $250,000, which includes small businesses.

Like I said…..vague.

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md

Relax…you know I respect you man…that’s why I’m all for an isolationist foreign policy and mercantilist economics. The global market has, after all the money has been counted or lost, diminished american manufacturing and wages, thats a fact. Change course or a least a correction is surely needed.

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Harry Callahan,

“after many years of working for him, in fact asking him for a job along the way, all the while never issuing one peep of complaints about his behavior, ”

Perhaps that is b/c you are not a woman of color trying to forge a career in a white male dominated world.

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“The Nevada Democrat, whose poll numbers are see-sawing against rival Republican Senate nominee Sharron Angle, told MSNBC’s Ed Schultz on Thursday night that voters in his state don’t feel reassured when Reid tells them of his global achievement because they’ve fallen so far down the economic food chain.

“We were at the top and we’ve fallen very hard. So people have been hurting, and I understand that, and it doesn’t give them comfort or solace for me to tell them, you know, but for me we’d be in a worldwide depression. They want to know what I’ve done for them, and that’s why it’s important for me, any chance I get, to say that my number one job is to create jobs,” Reid said, blasting Angle for saying it’s not the role of government to create jobs.”

and you wonder why reid is even being remotely challenged by that dunce angle

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“i con come online to laugh at Jay Boogerman and his lil friends..hahahaha”

As USinUK wrote the other day.

Someone who doesn’t understand hits=revenue.

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Cowboy:

I’m not asking for anything from you, so no thanks to the cookie.

The “Not gay” comment was to indicate I was borrowing.

If you’re intent is to make me feel bad, don’t waste the digital dexterity.

I’m confident in my relationships within the gay community. They’d probably be mad at you for taking me to task on my comment.

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Then kindly explain why unemployment in every month of the Idiot Messiah regime was higher

Another guy who doesn’t understand the difference between raw numbers and percentages. A lot of those types around on the intertubes.

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Just to embarrass the kid one more time…

The Association of Certified Fraud Examiners publishes an estimate of the cost of occupational fraud and abuse in the United States — which they said was a staggering $600 billion in 2002…”

** Another estimate suggests that the annual costs of antitrust and/or trade violations are at least $250 billion. (See F.T. Cullen et al., Corporate Crime Under Attack: The Ford Pinto Case and Beyond, Cincinnati: Anderson, 1987.)

corporatepolicy.org/issues/crimedata.htm

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Sandra,

Yeap. It’s a dillemma. Congress has traditionally had a low approval rating — everyone loves to hate Congress, but people usually like their own Representatives. I, however, am exception to that as I have never voted for a Representative of mine since the early 90s.

Anywho. Yes, we can say that voting them all out is a solution, but in essence, none of us individually have that power, so it is therefore, no solution at all.

What’s an American to do? Sigh.

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AmVet, thanks for doing exactly what I predicted…another 5,000 word cut-n-paste of no substance.

No why don’t you circle back to my challenge to lay down, in your own words, exactly what YOU want government to do to rein in these evil corporations, and then either;

A) Tell us why Obama/Reid/Pelosi aren’t socialists, or
B) Tell me why America should embrace socialism

Remember AmVert…COURAGE

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COURAGE AmVet…think and speak for yourself…you can do it…be brave.

Or, on second thought, maybe you’re exactly what I think you are…a terrified little socialist who wants government to take care of all your needs.

You have no personal prode whatsoever, do you?

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AmVet, hello?? Where are you? Come out, come out, wherever you are!

Frantically googling for another 5,000 word cut-n-paste that neither I nor anyone else will bother to read, I’m guessing…

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getalife

” The system” Of course,and we the people are as shackled to it as any well intentioned president is .No matter who runs around in the WhiteHouse, the invisible puppeteers usually get what they want, and we, the people, laugh and cheer when even some small measures,e.g.Healthcare reform, TO HELP US are liable to be overturned!!!!

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Getalife:

The alternative is diaper boy.

There’s probably more than one representative who has to wear diapers…what with them being so old and all. He availed himself of a prostitute. I thought you were into legalizing prostitution.

O.K., he voted against Hillary for Secretary of State? Arrrrggghhhh!

(ISH)

Cast your vote, Getalife.

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Willie Blind: Poor President Obama, this what he gets for thinking idiots, conservatives who party has done nothing for 8 years would be willing to work and move forward, we Demo are comming out in large numbers, we have seen these undeducated Tea Party people debate they have no clue how to move this country forward.
Where was this new found love for Amercia when George Bush was destroying America?
Please run that air head Sara Palin against the President in 2012, you people are a bunch of idiots the President is going to veto any bill against Health care.

Could any of you conservatives tell me why George Bush did not address health care? Gay rights, the economy or anything thing in Americans where were all these so call people who love America?

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@Harry Callahan

“A) Tell us why Obama/Reid/Pelosi aren’t socialists”

You seem to be making the claim that they are…tell us why they are socialists?

No compromise from the Republican party…sounds like a Dictatorship to me.

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The topic at hand was the amount of large scale corporate fraud and their other crimes in this country.

Do you want me to post that as well?

OK, since you asked!

“…why don’t you tell us what percentage of American businesses engage in criminal and/or illegal practices…”

No can do, unless I make up some numbers. I would wager it is pretty small.

I then provided that list that you dismissed with no evidence to the contrary.

Nothing shames you though. Even such irrefutable proof of your childish endeavors.

Your ONLY attempt to keep from being publicly ridiculed is to keep on changing the questions in your silly game. But you have failed miserably even at that.

Intellectual honesty completely eludes you Bill.

That what makes you such a good neo-con.

Duty calls.

But Bill, come and join us later for the Friday night sing along.

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Removing the RINO’s or democrats disguised as republicans, will create an environment that will stop the Obamatrain. Life is getting simpler!

I think I’m going to start routinely linking such folk as yourself to a bit of advice I posted earlier. It is heartfelt. Write it off as concern trolling if’n you like (I probably would’ve, if the shoe were on the other foot…)

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Harry Callahan

They are avoiding the question! Their answers will only validate what you have been stating.

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Wille Blind: If President Obama is a socialist, the tea baggars are anti America, and a bunch of racist who have never been outside of their trailor and have no clue what the word means.

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@@,

“There’s probably more than one representative who has to wear diapers…what with them being so old and all”

Ain’t that the truth?!

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As a matter of fact, Cowboy, I believe you just tried, but to no avail.

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Southern Comfort

October 22nd, 2010
1:57 pm

“…or perhaps it’s because I’m not terrified of a black man having a position of great authority in our democracy…

Ok, then you’re one of a small group on the right that don’t suffer from Obamafear.”

Typical liberal…can’t argue facts or logic, so anyone who disagrees is by definition a racist. Prett predictable, actually.

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Real American

October 22nd, 2010
2:03 pm
I really dislike you talking about my trailer. It is a rather nice park.

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AmVet

October 22nd, 2010
2:01 pm

“The topic at hand was the amount of large scale corporate fraud and their other crimes in this country.”

No, the topic at hand was what would AmVet like to see government due to end this corporate injustice, and what is AmVet’s position on socialism.

I think dodging on out the door is your best option here, because you clearly don’t have the intellectual chops nor the balls to keep going.

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“The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009 it was actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, the start of the 110th Congress. The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is “Bush’s Fault”, think about this:

January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress:

At the time:

1. The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77

2. The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%

3. The Unemployment rate was 4.6%

4. George Bush’s Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!

Remember the day…

1. January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.

2. The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?

BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!

3. Thank Congress for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 4.6% Unemployment to this CRISIS by dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannnnie Mae and Freddie Mac fiasco’s!

(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie – starting in 2001, because it was financially risky for the U.S. economy, but no one was listening).

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac?

OBAMA.

And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie??

OBAMA and the Democratic Congress.

So when someone tries to blame Bush…

REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007…. THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!” Bush may have been in the car, but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving. Set the record straight on Bush!

So, as you listen to all the commercials and media from the Democrats who are now distancing themselves from their voting record and their party, remember how they didn’t listen to you when you said you didn’t want all the bailouts, you didn’t want the health care bill, you didn’t want cap and trade, you didn’t want them to continue spending money we don’t have.

I’m not forgetting their complicity in getting us into this mess, and I’ll be marking my vote accordingly!”

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socialist health care bill

I may be wrong, but wouldn’t a socialist health care system be a single-payer type with the government being the controlling interest. If I’m not mistaken, the insurance companies are still in control of the insurance system with the guarantee of even more business as insurance will become mandatory. Doesn’t sound socialist to me.

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yuzeyurbrane

October 22nd, 2010
2:05 pm
…and now back on planet Earth the weather is fine and the liberals are scurring around looking for their cheese.

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stands,

I think you ought to save that to a nice file on your computer, nothing that interferes with too much, you know just tuck it away and then just copy and paste it when needed. It’ll save o so much re-typing.

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Did Harry call Southern Comfort a racist! hehehe

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williebkind

October 22nd, 2010
2:02 pm
Harry Callahan

“They are avoiding the question! Their answers will only validate what you have been stating.”

Liberals are pretty transparent. Thye mesmerize each other at parties though.

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Scout: I guess thats why we loss 5 million jobs under Bush?

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Harry Callahan

October 22nd, 2010
2:04 pm

Typical liberal…can’t argue facts or logic, so anyone who disagrees is by definition a racist. Prett predictable, actually.

Typical conservative…no sense of humor, doesn’t understand humor. Pulls the race card argument when there is no attempt at anything dealing with race to try to cover their own insecurities at anything remotely discussing race. Very predictable… actually.

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Bosch

October 22nd, 2010
2:10 pm
Yea it gets interesting after that.

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I may be wrong, but wouldn’t a socialist health care system be a single-payer type with the government being the controlling interest.

Even that’s a stretch, given that it’d still be hiring people in private practice. England’s NHS is a socialist health care system. Canada’s single payer really isn’t.

So in summary I guess it’d be appropriate to say that such health insurance is “socialist”, although it’s funny how Medicare recipients never refer to it that way.

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TaxPayer

I sure hope he wasn’t… That’s way too funny!!!!

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Playtime is over , im out .

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Southern Comfort

October 22nd, 2010
2:08 pm

“socialist health care bill

I may be wrong, but wouldn’t a socialist health care system be a single-payer type with the government being the controlling interest. If I’m not mistaken, the insurance companies are still in control of the insurance system with the guarantee of even more business as insurance will become mandatory. Doesn’t sound socialist to me.”

LOL. So if it’s not socialist, I can opt out of it, including paying the taxes that government will use to provide it to the noon-producers in our society? Right? I hadn’t heard that it was voluntary. Thanks for the info.

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SoCo,

“but wouldn’t a socialist health care system be a single-payer type with the government being the controlling interest.”

Actually I thought in order for our health care system to be socialist that the government would have to control the actual health CARE, not just the paying of it, so unless, I missed it, I never saw, even in the most rabid dreams of the left wing lunatic fringe that all doctors and nurses and lab technicians and everyone would don brown suits and start becoming government employees.

Now, I could be wrong too, and as to the last of your post….um, yeah, that’s what we have, so the idea that the Obamacare is socialist — well those that espouse that are, um, stupid.

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The definition of socialism the liberals do not want to believe…loss of freedom of speech and of the press. Wow, can you imagine a muffled progressive liberal. It reminds me of the old silent movies of Jackie Chan.

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No, liberals are just smart, why would we vote for a party that destroyed America, please continue to listen to sly (fox)news, a lot of those bigot tea baggars that are running for office are getting exposed to what they really are.

Thanks Tea Klansman for showing us that you can be stupid and people who live in these trailors will come out and support you.

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Real American: And you are what? By your very words you are acting in a more racist way than the people you are calling racist. I am sick and tired of anyone who disagrees being labeled “trailer trash” and a “racist.” That is as offensive as the labeling of young black men as “thugs”. Both sides need to take a breath and stop the name calling. When you resort to those tactics and overstated generalizations all credibility is lost.

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Bosch

October 22nd, 2010
2:15 pm
I saw it on the history channel of Europe in the 1930’s. But by the 1940’s they were a war with the world.

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Dang, what is with this WikiLeaks guy? He is hell bent on having an assassin show up at his doorstep.

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It doesn’t matter one bit what Reps or Dems say they they will do. Once they get elected, or re-elected, it’s mission accomplished and the vote store is open again.

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I see the analogy differently: I see conservative members of the GOP preventing a collision with an iceberg–if they can finally get over their spending spree from the Bush years.
Most people don’t want more spending. Most people don’t want more programs. Most people don’t want more bailouts. (They didn’t want those then, either). Government overreach has hit the tipping point, and people are responding, just as the electorate responded to the Republicans’ overspending and not keeping to what they were supposed to be doing.
I guess I don’t understand why people talk about “how enlightened” the electorate was when the majority decided to change course two or four years ago, but now how “ignorant” the electorate is that it is deciding to change course again. Either the electorate is entitled to do so in all instances when it moves en masse, or it’s not: It can’t just be a good thing or something to be “proud” of only when the pivot politic happens to agree with you.
The people were sold a bill of goods that didn’t, won’t and can’t deliver in its present form. America is doing what it always has done — self-correcting.
And that’s a good thing. If we’re “heading for an iceberg” or the GOP is “courting disaster” or whatever your other column less than a week ago said, then guess what? We’ll self-correct again.
Really, the hyperbole from both sides has become tiresome. Try something else, maybe?

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No, the conservatives idiots want state to control their lives, thank God for goverment most of you conservatives would still be making $3 hours, slavery would still be here, women would not be able to vote.
Thank God for the Gov stepping in, most of you idiots never been out of your trailor never mind the USA, go to a socialist country and come back and compare you idiots.

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@Union

Classmates of Thomas at Holy Cross complained about his abhorrent behavior.

http://www.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=14205

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Real American :

You mean under a Democrat House and Senate?

If Republicans win both Houses on 11/2 and things still go south the next two years will you blame Obama or a Republican House and Senate?

Let’s have a little honesty and integrity here shall we ?

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Cowboy:

…but to each their own.

With thoughts like ^^^ that, you should be voting Libertarian?

I’m outta here.

Enjoy the music!

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I sit here most days and read all of you posts at work. Occasionally I join in if the “screaming” isnt too loud. Almost all of us “know” each other and our political bent….that being said, I am confused as to what you on the left want?

Many of us have to ally ourselves with the right cause Libertarians stand no chance in hell…I dont consider myself Republican, but I am fiscally conservatives. Earlier someone on this blog said that the fiscal conservatives pretty much wrecked us. But over and over and over most of us have stated how much we disagreed with Bush’s spending policies. He may have had an R behind his name, but he was not a fiscal conservative.

And then many of us found a group that is splintered but is loosely known as the Tea Party. Now, any movement (and yes, I expect the cries of its funding about now) has people that the rest of us are not proud of. But you on the left know there is a large contingent of us out here that are desparately trying to figure out ways to reign in the spending of this mammoth government. You know we have attacked D’s and R’s alike. Yet you spend all the time branding this movement as full of wingnuts.

WHY?

I dont care what you want to call it. Call it the Far Left ABC party that wants to balance the budget and reign in spending, that way you dont have to associate yourselves with something you have demonized to death. But what in hell do you want? I see so many of you slamming the R’s for spending. Fine. Then fight it politically, but not with the D’s. As we all have said, both have screwed us.

If you guys on the left are serious in your accusations, and dont want to join us because it somehow “taints” you, then form you own damn party that has the same ideals of slowing down this orgy of endless cycles of politics as usual. Tell you what…I will even follow YOU if you really believe what you say and attempt to make the changes we are.

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Mick :

Oh, I’ve learned that via Carter, Clinton and Obama.

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In today’s “words have meaning” segment, the term many are using should be “socialistic”, not socialism.

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md,

I question even that. See mine and SoCo’s earlier posts and correct us if we are wrong.

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md,

“In today’s “words have meaning” segment, the term many are using should be “socialistic”, not socialism.”

THANK YOU!

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Harry: Which Rush L. are we talking, the one that never finish high school, or the one that pretends he is a conservative and yet has a close relation ship with Elton John? Please ask all those millions of people who are back at work in the auto industrial would they have prefered the greatest President ever to do nothing like George Bush did.

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md

Thank you for that 2:28. Hopefully all will take heed to your words.

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BTW, I understand that you said PRIVATE SECTOR. That’s not the point. You failed to mention the overall economy LOST 159,000 jobs. The unemployment rate actually ticked up a point from 9.6% to 9.7%. Trying to paint a rosy picture when the overall economy has not changed is intellectual dishonesty.

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SoCo,

“I personally didn’t care for the health care bill, not because it was “socialist”, but because it was a freaking sell-out of the American people to the insurance industry. Nobody brings that up at all, but that’s how I see that bill. To protect us from the people who are instrumental in driving up healthcare costs, the government pretty much pushed us into their clutches.”

Yeap, I’m in the same boat as you. I didn’t care for it for the same reason. I always got a hoot out of those who like to throw out the disapproval numbers on the bill when they don’t realize that I fall into that category, but not for the reason they may think.

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I always got a hoot out of those who like to throw out the disapproval numbers on the bill when they don’t realize that I fall into that category, but not for the reason they may think.

I also think it’s funny that the disapproval numbers never show a breakdown on the reasons for disapproval.

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Well now you have it: ” Tea Party Hick ” .. that’s the term now. Straight from the lips of Limbaugh himself

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bosch

**Those damn Irish.**

I’ll be drinking one for you till the wee bit of the mornin.

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I don’t ever see a reason to be taking up arms just because you can’t stand the president.

I took up arms because I’m surrounded by pekoe-headed wack jobs who think, even though I work, own a home, and pay the mortgage and taxes, that somehow I am the cause of all their problems just because I voted for the black guy.

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Thanks Mick! I meant that in a good way, ya’ know.

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Jay,
The largest beneficiaries of a Republican take over of the House, Senate, or both, will be the corporations who will have bought and paid for less regulation (read: freedom to polute, move jobs overseas, pay slave wages, maintain unsafe/unhealthy working conditions, engage in risky or illegal financial practices). Mr. Spence has neglected, or forgotten, the Democrats’ availability of the filibuster, Republican-style obstruction, and the veto if necessary.

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If multi-national corporations get to have all the rights of American citizens, why don’t they pay the tax rates that we pay?

They get to have the same rights, but nobody ever said anything about them sharing the same responsibilities!!! Two different words with two different meanings.

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Bosch!!!

The Irish have their own mafia, you know. I’ll bet Google is paying them for the rights to launder there.

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“End of the day the GOP will have no real power to do anything but say no.”

I agree

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bosch

No problem….I with you and southern comfort on the healthcare bill. Single payer medicare for all, end of story.

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OKAY, time for a little Social Studies Lesson for Bosch and others. Socialism is defined as government CONTROL of the means of production and distribution, not necessarily ownership. If the government dictates what providers must provide for patients and tells them what treatments they can and cannot use, which this bill does, it’s probably socialism. If the government MANDATES that all citizens PURCHASE a said product they are controlling Distribution, also socialist. If it walks like a duck…well, it ain’t necessartily AFLAC.

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Maybe a better term than SOCIALISM would be SOCIALISTIC…a form that so closely mirrors the principles of socialism that it is essentialy a distinction without a difference.

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Mick, STATE governments are different than the federal government. In addition, they don’t FORCE anyone to drive or even obtain a license to drive. Driving is not a right, it is a privilege.

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VOTE CONSERVATIVE!”

When one shows up, I will…but I’m not holding my breath waiting.

My sentiments exactly. Haven’t seen one of those in about 40 years — which is never in my lifetime.

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Mick

I put it out here before, but I’m not completely sold on the single payer system. In the interest of free market enterprise, I think we would be better served by a dual approach to healthcare.

The single payer method could be used for basic care using a system of state or federal funded clinics. Use med students and recent graduates to staff these clinics and give them a steady pay. As an incentive, once they complete a term of service, like 5 years, forgive any student loan debts directly related to medical school. This gives you an almost endless group of doctors, and gives new graduates a chance to earn experience and pay off debts.

For other than basic care, such as emergency care, surgery, or elective processes, you can then have your hospitals and insurance continue to operate as they do now. A person would then have the choice to pick up medical insurance for catastrophic or elective care, but their basic would be taken care of. Once doctors complete time in the basic system, they have the experience to do additional training to advance to this level of care.

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Pence is just one of 400+ House members and probably doesn’t even speak for all the Republicans. There will be compromise because there are a number of right leaning Democrats and BHO will move more to the center after the election.

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“The Irish have their own mafia, you know”

Are they bigger than US Steel?

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“I think it’s pretty clear where we’re headed, which is directly into the iceberg. In fact, a good portion of the GOP seems downright giddy at the prospect of hearing the popping of rivets, the shearing of metal, the inrush of water and the cries of those trapped below deck.”

Yes, because Republicans are bad people who want to do damage to the country and cause people suffering. What a rational (and tolerant) comment. This silly crap is on the same level as the “Obama wants to destroy the country” nonsense. Bookman, Beck, it’s all the same crap.

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Absolutely not Bosch. By definition a PRIVATE BUSINESS cannot be socialist. People choose whether or not to do business with them. No one is forced to do so BY THE INSURANCE COMPANY.

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Headline (CBS): “Oops! Did Pres. Clinton Misplace Nuclear Codes?”

“No, it’s not the plot of a Tom Clancy book or a Steven Segal movie. Bill Clinton lost the card containing launch codes for a nuclear strike for “months” during his presidency, according to a top military leader’s memoir.

Gen. Hugh Shelton, who served as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Clinton, makes the claim in his new book “Without Hesitation …………….. ”

DID ANYONE CHECK MONICA’S POCKETBOOK ?

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I’d think the “onservatives” would be sick and tired of paying higher health care premiums, deductibles, and presription costs to make up for the losses in the industry every time some deadbeat uninsured person gets treatment at the ER. Isn’t that what they’re always screaming mad about? Their “dimes” buying medicine for somebody else’s sick kid?

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That’s not correct Mick, State governments don’t mandate auto insurance coverage for people who don’t drive. By choosing to drive, you choose the responsibilities that go along with it. That said, it would be better if they did NOT require it. That’s why God created UM coverage.

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The federal government might shut down…sounds perfect and everybody wins.
Except crooks !

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chuck,

“By definition a PRIVATE BUSINESS cannot be socialist.

But that private business DOES do the things I outlined — the ones YOU said were socialistic.

People choose whether or not to do business with them.

Actually, that’s generally true, but I don’t have a choice as to whom I do business with as it is employer based and there is no way in hell I could afford a policy for my fam on my own. And I think that probably 75-80% of the American population, if I had to wager, are in the same shoes.

No one is forced to do so BY THE INSURANCE COMPANY.

No, of course not, we can all go bankrupt the next time we get a head cold, but yeah, that’s great.

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You have to remember the Republican Party is completely owned by Big Business. Anything they say or do has to be understood in this contex.

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How old are you, Chuck?

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@chuck

“OKAY, time for a little Social Studies Lesson for Bosch and others. Socialism is defined as government CONTROL of the means of production and distribution, not necessarily ownership. If the government dictates what providers must provide for patients and tells them what treatments they can and cannot use, which this bill does, it’s probably socialism. If the government MANDATES that all citizens PURCHASE a said product they are controlling Distribution, also socialist. If it walks like a duck…well, it ain’t necessartily AFLAC.”

Does that mean every state in the nation is a since we are mandated by the states to carry car insurance. Remember, a Republican governor who ran for President as a Republican in 2008 and looks like will run in 2012, singed into law a healthcare bill in the state of Massachusetts that requires all residents to have health insurance. The Federal Health Care law was modeled after this one which was first propose by Republicans during the Clinton administration. That means Republicans are socialist.

If it walks like a duck…

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Matti,

“The problem is with the FIRST LAW, you know, the one that REQUIRED hospitals to treat people who can’t pay and don’t have insurance.”

Yeah, me too — personally I wish that we let our citizens die in the street for all to witness so that we are all reminded that if you can’t pay for health care, then you need to get off your lazy ass and work harder and get a job with insurance dammit, but that’s just me.

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chuck,

So you’d sleep better at night knowing the four-year-old child of uninsured, minimum-wage laborers would suffer the horrific pain of a burst eardrum rather than receive a shot of penicillin in the middle of the night from an ER doc?

How very….

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