GOP leaders steering for the iceberg
U.S. Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind. (AP photo)
Mike Pence, Republican of Indiana, is chairman of the House Republican Conference and is the third highest ranking Republican in the House. Yesterday, in a visit to Florida, he discussed his plans should the GOP take control of the House of Representatives.
TAMPA – Indiana Congressman Mike Pence, a likely 2012 presidential contender, told a gathering of local Republicans Thursday night that Republicans will refuse to compromise with the Obama administration on health care, the economy or anything else if they win the House majority back Nov. 2.
Pence also told the crowd of several hundred Republicans that the nation’s future is at risk, and the country could become a failed power if Republicans don’t win….
“The last Republican Congress didn’t suffer from too little compromise, it suffered too much,” he said. If they retake the majority, he said, there can be “no compromise that allows more borrowing, more spending, more deficits and more debt … no compromise on stopping their government takeover of health care.”
“If I didn’t make myself clear, no compromise,” he said. “We didn’t come this far to … seek consensus with the political liberal elite in Washington.”
Pence’s comments about “no compromise that allows more borrowing, more spending, more deficits and more debt” are particularly interesting, given that sometime next spring, Congress will be required to raise the nation’s debt ceiling or face a shutdown of the government.
I think it’s pretty clear where we’re headed, which is directly into the iceberg. In fact, a good portion of the GOP seems downright giddy at the prospect of hearing the popping of rivets, the shearing of metal, the inrush of water and the cries of those trapped below deck.
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larry
October 22nd, 2010
2:13 pm
Larry, Basic math will tell you that if the Bush Administration created over 3 million jobs and the Obama Administration created 865,000 then your statement is false. Even though the economy lost 159,000 jobs in September, you want to try to cling to this idea that Obama is CREATING jobs? Especially since 56,000 of those jobs were TEACHERS, creating crowded classrooms for our kids.
Did the bush administration create three million private sector jobs? If there were three million private sector jobs created, weren’t they all lost from Nov. 2007 to Dec. 2008? The article i stated from said the economy lost 159, 000 , but the private sector created 64, 000. I stated private sector , not public sector jobs.
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
2:13 pm
TaxPayer
I sure hope he wasn’t… That’s way too funny!!!!
stands for decibels
October 22nd, 2010
2:13 pm
the Obama government is socialist. Pure and simple.
I see middle school’s got early release today. Might be back for some drivin’ music later, kids.
larry
October 22nd, 2010
2:13 pm
Playtime is over , im out .
Left wing management
October 22nd, 2010
2:14 pm
So I hear Jim Hussein DeMint has proposed legislation to further cut funding to National Public Radio.
Harry Callahan
October 22nd, 2010
2:14 pm
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
2:08 pm
“socialist health care bill
I may be wrong, but wouldn’t a socialist health care system be a single-payer type with the government being the controlling interest. If I’m not mistaken, the insurance companies are still in control of the insurance system with the guarantee of even more business as insurance will become mandatory. Doesn’t sound socialist to me.”
LOL. So if it’s not socialist, I can opt out of it, including paying the taxes that government will use to provide it to the noon-producers in our society? Right? I hadn’t heard that it was voluntary. Thanks for the info.
Doggone/GA
October 22nd, 2010
2:15 pm
“Does anybody, really, ever read past a sentence like that?”
I certainly didn’t
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
2:15 pm
SoCo,
“but wouldn’t a socialist health care system be a single-payer type with the government being the controlling interest.”
Actually I thought in order for our health care system to be socialist that the government would have to control the actual health CARE, not just the paying of it, so unless, I missed it, I never saw, even in the most rabid dreams of the left wing lunatic fringe that all doctors and nurses and lab technicians and everyone would don brown suits and start becoming government employees.
Now, I could be wrong too, and as to the last of your post….um, yeah, that’s what we have, so the idea that the Obamacare is socialist — well those that espouse that are, um, stupid.
Harry Callahan
October 22nd, 2010
2:16 pm
stands for decibels
October 22nd, 2010
2:13 pm
“the Obama government is socialist. Pure and simple.
I see middle school’s got early release today. Might be back for some drivin’ music later, kids.”
Liberals are so funny. They desperately want to live in a socialist society, but don’t have the balls to say it out loud.
williebkind
October 22nd, 2010
2:16 pm
The definition of socialism the liberals do not want to believe…loss of freedom of speech and of the press. Wow, can you imagine a muffled progressive liberal. It reminds me of the old silent movies of Jackie Chan.
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
2:17 pm
@ Southern Comfort – the Obama government is socialist. Pure and simple.
О мой freaking Бог! (thought I’d use socialist language)
Obama, if anything, is Bush Light. He’s doing pretty much the same stuff that Bush and presidents past have done. If his government is socialist, then we’ve been socialist for a long, long time. The whole cold war was for naught then. I learn something new everyday.
Real American
October 22nd, 2010
2:17 pm
No, liberals are just smart, why would we vote for a party that destroyed America, please continue to listen to sly (fox)news, a lot of those bigot tea baggars that are running for office are getting exposed to what they really are.
Thanks Tea Klansman for showing us that you can be stupid and people who live in these trailors will come out and support you.
TaxPayer
October 22nd, 2010
2:18 pm
So, George Bush claims that his biggest failure was not privatizing social security. Poor guy does not even know the difference between success and failure — that was his single success.
What's Important
October 22nd, 2010
2:18 pm
Real American: And you are what? By your very words you are acting in a more racist way than the people you are calling racist. I am sick and tired of anyone who disagrees being labeled “trailer trash” and a “racist.” That is as offensive as the labeling of young black men as “thugs”. Both sides need to take a breath and stop the name calling. When you resort to those tactics and overstated generalizations all credibility is lost.
boots
October 22nd, 2010
2:19 pm
Bookman, the appropriate perspective of your article should have been: We hit the iceburg already, and Republicans don’t want the same Captain Obama to be in charge of the lifeboats, too.
Unemployment has gone from 8% (which is horrible enough) to 10% (after Obama adjusts it down), spending $3 trillion in 22 months, and the housing market it set to take on even more losses. And you criticize us for not wanting to follow this “leader” any longer? I’m guilty as charged!
williebkind
October 22nd, 2010
2:19 pm
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
2:15 pm
I saw it on the history channel of Europe in the 1930’s. But by the 1940’s they were a war with the world.
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
2:20 pm
LOL. So if it’s not socialist, I can opt out of it, including paying the taxes that government will use to provide it to the noon-producers in our society? Right? I hadn’t heard that it was voluntary. Thanks for the info.
Yep, you can always opt out of it. There’s the death opt-out. There’s the move out of the USA opt-out. You have choices, although they may not be choices that you like. However, there are indeed choices.
As Bosch said, if it were socialist, you would pay insurance to the government, care would be provided by the government, hospitals would be owned by the government, and the medicines and tools used would be provided by the government. I don’t think that’s the case, so the argument about the system being socialist does not hold water.
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
2:20 pm
Dang, what is with this WikiLeaks guy? He is hell bent on having an assassin show up at his doorstep.
Harry Callahan
October 22nd, 2010
2:21 pm
Real American
October 22nd, 2010
2:08 pm
“Harry Callahan: This is what we mean by idiots who get their news from fox” When the President took over the Auto industrial had collaps, so I guss he should of let those people lose their jobs? this is why they are making record profits and paying the Gov back.
Ex drug user, never went to college Glen Beck want tell you that.”
Another 5 liberal brownie points for Real American. He used one of the liberal fear words…Glen Beck. Too bad the rest of his post made little sense.
Real, dig this…when Barack used billions of taxpayer dollars to purchase an ownership stake in GM for the UAW and for the federal government, it was by definition a socialist act.
But hey, can I get ten points for saying “Limbaugh”?
Mel
October 22nd, 2010
2:21 pm
It doesn’t matter one bit what Reps or Dems say they they will do. Once they get elected, or re-elected, it’s mission accomplished and the vote store is open again.
TaxPayer
October 22nd, 2010
2:22 pm
I think these cons are claiming that our healthcare system is socialist because they can no longer let their insurance company rescind their coverage or deny them coverage due to pre-existing conditions, etc. Maybe they miss those benefits.
Rob
October 22nd, 2010
2:22 pm
I see the analogy differently: I see conservative members of the GOP preventing a collision with an iceberg–if they can finally get over their spending spree from the Bush years.
Most people don’t want more spending. Most people don’t want more programs. Most people don’t want more bailouts. (They didn’t want those then, either). Government overreach has hit the tipping point, and people are responding, just as the electorate responded to the Republicans’ overspending and not keeping to what they were supposed to be doing.
I guess I don’t understand why people talk about “how enlightened” the electorate was when the majority decided to change course two or four years ago, but now how “ignorant” the electorate is that it is deciding to change course again. Either the electorate is entitled to do so in all instances when it moves en masse, or it’s not: It can’t just be a good thing or something to be “proud” of only when the pivot politic happens to agree with you.
The people were sold a bill of goods that didn’t, won’t and can’t deliver in its present form. America is doing what it always has done — self-correcting.
And that’s a good thing. If we’re “heading for an iceberg” or the GOP is “courting disaster” or whatever your other column less than a week ago said, then guess what? We’ll self-correct again.
Really, the hyperbole from both sides has become tiresome. Try something else, maybe?
Mick
October 22nd, 2010
2:22 pm
**It is 10 days, 5 hours, 56 minutes to the November 2nd election**
You might be surprised by the results…it just might not turn out as you expect…
Real American
October 22nd, 2010
2:23 pm
No, the conservatives idiots want state to control their lives, thank God for goverment most of you conservatives would still be making $3 hours, slavery would still be here, women would not be able to vote.
Thank God for the Gov stepping in, most of you idiots never been out of your trailor never mind the USA, go to a socialist country and come back and compare you idiots.
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
2:23 pm
The definition of socialism the liberals do not want to believe…loss of freedom of speech and of the press.
Using that definition as a definition of socialism means that in the early 1900’s the US was socialist. Women and minorities were quite often shut out of society with minimal to no protection of their rights at all. So, are you saying that the United States has always been socialist?
Jackie
October 22nd, 2010
2:23 pm
@Union
Classmates of Thomas at Holy Cross complained about his abhorrent behavior.
http://www.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=14205
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
2:24 pm
SoCo,
“There’s the death opt-out.”
Good one.
And as for the opt out of the USA — it always cracks me up when these free marketers say they will just LEAVE the country and I’m like, “go ahead, where ever you move, you will be moving to a MUCH more socialist country than the US” Good luck with that.
Scout
October 22nd, 2010
2:26 pm
Real American :
You mean under a Democrat House and Senate?
If Republicans win both Houses on 11/2 and things still go south the next two years will you blame Obama or a Republican House and Senate?
Let’s have a little honesty and integrity here shall we ?
williebkind
October 22nd, 2010
2:26 pm
Well, its time for me to take my conservative a%$ outside and push another car into the yard, chew on a plug, and watch old Geezer lock up with the neighbor’s dog.
@@
October 22nd, 2010
2:26 pm
Cowboy:
…but to each their own.
With thoughts like ^^^ that, you should be voting Libertarian?
I’m outta here.
Enjoy the music!
md
October 22nd, 2010
2:26 pm
“You might be surprised by the results…it just might not turn out as you expect…”
Very true, nobody knows………..but, the polls indicate a change, the same polls that indicated the last change and the change before that……
marky mark
October 22nd, 2010
2:27 pm
I sit here most days and read all of you posts at work. Occasionally I join in if the “screaming” isnt too loud. Almost all of us “know” each other and our political bent….that being said, I am confused as to what you on the left want?
Many of us have to ally ourselves with the right cause Libertarians stand no chance in hell…I dont consider myself Republican, but I am fiscally conservatives. Earlier someone on this blog said that the fiscal conservatives pretty much wrecked us. But over and over and over most of us have stated how much we disagreed with Bush’s spending policies. He may have had an R behind his name, but he was not a fiscal conservative.
And then many of us found a group that is splintered but is loosely known as the Tea Party. Now, any movement (and yes, I expect the cries of its funding about now) has people that the rest of us are not proud of. But you on the left know there is a large contingent of us out here that are desparately trying to figure out ways to reign in the spending of this mammoth government. You know we have attacked D’s and R’s alike. Yet you spend all the time branding this movement as full of wingnuts.
WHY?
I dont care what you want to call it. Call it the Far Left ABC party that wants to balance the budget and reign in spending, that way you dont have to associate yourselves with something you have demonized to death. But what in hell do you want? I see so many of you slamming the R’s for spending. Fine. Then fight it politically, but not with the D’s. As we all have said, both have screwed us.
If you guys on the left are serious in your accusations, and dont want to join us because it somehow “taints” you, then form you own damn party that has the same ideals of slowing down this orgy of endless cycles of politics as usual. Tell you what…I will even follow YOU if you really believe what you say and attempt to make the changes we are.
TaxPayer
October 22nd, 2010
2:27 pm
Bush and the Republicans bought AIG and Obama and the Democrats bought GM. Obama wins again.
Scout
October 22nd, 2010
2:27 pm
Mick :
Oh, I’ve learned that via Carter, Clinton and Obama.
John
October 22nd, 2010
2:27 pm
@Harry Callahan
“1) They have passed a socialist health care bill”
I may be wrong, but last time I checked we’re still buying our healthcare insurance from private companies. Sounds like Free Enterprise to me. Unless you fee Free Enterprise only exist in the absence of regulations. If that’s the case, we’ve been a socialist country for decades under both parties.
“2) They espouse massive transfers of wealth from the top 10% or so of wage earners to those below”
Unlike Republicans who want to take it away from those below and give it to the top 10%. They clamor about corporate taxes being too high and should be cut when GE and other large corporations paid 00.00% in taxes last year. Google paid less than 3%. I wouldn’t mind paying 00.00% in taxes. Republicans believe in giving loopholes where they do pay the rates they should be paying.
“3) They want to put (in fact, HAVE put) government in substantial control of auto industry, banks, healthcare, etc”
Of course you’re talking about TARP, etc. which was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. You remember how John McCain suspended his campaign to fly to Washington to vote in favor of it as well as take credit for it. The same law Boehner (the speaker of the house in waiting should the Republicans win control) cried on the House floor urging it’s passage.
md
October 22nd, 2010
2:28 pm
In today’s “words have meaning” segment, the term many are using should be “socialistic”, not socialism.
Nice Guy
October 22nd, 2010
2:29 pm
“where ever you move, you will be moving to a MUCH more socialist country than the US” Good luck with that.”
Not if you move to Ireland.
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
2:30 pm
md,
I question even that. See mine and SoCo’s earlier posts and correct us if we are wrong.
jewcowboy
October 22nd, 2010
2:30 pm
@@,
“With thoughts like ^^^ that, you should be voting Libertarian?”
Acutally…I’m pretty sure that will be my Governor choice. Have a great weekend.
jewcowboy
October 22nd, 2010
2:31 pm
md,
“In today’s “words have meaning” segment, the term many are using should be “socialistic”, not socialism.”
THANK YOU!
chuck
October 22nd, 2010
2:33 pm
The increase of 3 million jobs is the net for his entire 8 years in office.
Real American
October 22nd, 2010
2:33 pm
Harry: Which Rush L. are we talking, the one that never finish high school, or the one that pretends he is a conservative and yet has a close relation ship with Elton John? Please ask all those millions of people who are back at work in the auto industrial would they have prefered the greatest President ever to do nothing like George Bush did.
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
2:34 pm
Bosch
I always have to give my “America is full of choices” speech at work so that new immigrants understand that they all have choices. Sometimes the choices are some that we like, while at other times, we do not have a good selection of choices to choose from. I personally didn’t care for the health care bill, not because it was “socialist”, but because it was a freaking sell-out of the American people to the insurance industry. Nobody brings that up at all, but that’s how I see that bill. To protect us from the people who are instrumental in driving up healthcare costs, the government pretty much pushed us into their clutches.
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
2:35 pm
md
Thank you for that 2:28. Hopefully all will take heed to your words.
Equality 7-2521
October 22nd, 2010
2:35 pm
‘Tis better to hit an iceberg than to make it to the destination Captain Obama has us headed.
chuck
October 22nd, 2010
2:36 pm
BTW, I understand that you said PRIVATE SECTOR. That’s not the point. You failed to mention the overall economy LOST 159,000 jobs. The unemployment rate actually ticked up a point from 9.6% to 9.7%. Trying to paint a rosy picture when the overall economy has not changed is intellectual dishonesty.
Mick
October 22nd, 2010
2:37 pm
scout
Funny how every time of late that there is a democrat in the white house guns and ammo sales zoom into the stratoshpere. I think I’ll agree we are almost as divided as the times before the civil war. I don’t ever see a reason to be taking up arms just because you can’t stand the president. I couldn’t stomach bush but I never thought about taking up arms, not in a million years. Obama is neither as bad as all the howling wingnuts proclaim and neither is he as good as his true believers seem to think. Settle it at the ballot box not the ammo dealers.
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
2:37 pm
SoCo,
“I personally didn’t care for the health care bill, not because it was “socialist”, but because it was a freaking sell-out of the American people to the insurance industry. Nobody brings that up at all, but that’s how I see that bill. To protect us from the people who are instrumental in driving up healthcare costs, the government pretty much pushed us into their clutches.”
Yeap, I’m in the same boat as you. I didn’t care for it for the same reason. I always got a hoot out of those who like to throw out the disapproval numbers on the bill when they don’t realize that I fall into that category, but not for the reason they may think.
Matti
October 22nd, 2010
2:38 pm
Ireland? Google is laundering money through Ireland, (Netherlands and round about to Bermuda), to avoid paying US taxes. Saw it on the news last night. This puts their overseas tax rate at 2.4 percent. If multi-national corporations get to have all the rights of American citizens, why don’t they pay the tax rates that we pay?
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
2:39 pm
I always got a hoot out of those who like to throw out the disapproval numbers on the bill when they don’t realize that I fall into that category, but not for the reason they may think.
I also think it’s funny that the disapproval numbers never show a breakdown on the reasons for disapproval.
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
2:40 pm
Those damn Irish.
Left wing management
October 22nd, 2010
2:40 pm
Well now you have it: ” Tea Party Hick ” .. that’s the term now. Straight from the lips of Limbaugh himself
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
2:41 pm
SoCo,
“I also think it’s funny that the disapproval numbers never show a breakdown on the reasons for disapproval.”
That could be said for MANY things, you know!
Mick
October 22nd, 2010
2:42 pm
bosch
**Those damn Irish.**
I’ll be drinking one for you till the wee bit of the mornin.
Jefferson
October 22nd, 2010
2:42 pm
Bases on the comments by the GOP supporters, it is easy to see why they continue to have no credibility and have no chance to ever do anything constructive for the USA.
Matti
October 22nd, 2010
2:42 pm
I don’t ever see a reason to be taking up arms just because you can’t stand the president.
I took up arms because I’m surrounded by pekoe-headed wack jobs who think, even though I work, own a home, and pay the mortgage and taxes, that somehow I am the cause of all their problems just because I voted for the black guy.
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
2:43 pm
Bosch
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
2:43 pm
Thanks Mick! I meant that in a good way, ya’ know.
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
2:44 pm
MATTI!!!
Gator Joe
October 22nd, 2010
2:44 pm
Jay,
The largest beneficiaries of a Republican take over of the House, Senate, or both, will be the corporations who will have bought and paid for less regulation (read: freedom to polute, move jobs overseas, pay slave wages, maintain unsafe/unhealthy working conditions, engage in risky or illegal financial practices). Mr. Spence has neglected, or forgotten, the Democrats’ availability of the filibuster, Republican-style obstruction, and the veto if necessary.
Jefferson
October 22nd, 2010
2:46 pm
End of the day the GOP will have no real power to do anything but say no.
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
2:46 pm
If multi-national corporations get to have all the rights of American citizens, why don’t they pay the tax rates that we pay?
They get to have the same rights, but nobody ever said anything about them sharing the same responsibilities!!! Two different words with two different meanings.
budman
October 22nd, 2010
2:48 pm
The debacle @ the radio station NPR w/ Juan Williams is a good example of NPR,GOP,Obama the American loss of liberty….many things. First, I never listen to NPR radio..they piss me off ergo: waste of time. But how many times have I sat in the airport gate house and thought the same thing Mr. Williams said. I have made that statement to many friends in public. Now the dysfunctional GOP ( the other side is NO better ) wants to say it is an attack on free speech..IT really is!!!. The argument surfaces that he is a journalist and should be totally neutral….YEA!!! people should drive the posted speed limit
in their cars but it ain’t going to happen in my efing lifetime.
If you calling for anarchy and the over throw of both parties and the government..you’re an idiot. Vietnam tells you what total collapse of the government is like: The rule of thumb..if your thumb will fit in the opening of the gun barrel…you rule.
As a combat pilot I was trained to deal with the most glaring problem first…Voter apathy in this country is a national disgrace, with less than 50% at the polls. When you hear ” change we can believe in ” WHAT..people are so stupid to believe that the government, under any party..can fix anything..how foolish can we get
I am working with a homeless veteran program, to provide for the returning veteran. Now we have the homeless woman Vet..something this country has never delt with.
The bottom line is I would like to embarrass the government for their failure to help the Vet. If we bring em all home as the BS commercials state…where are you going to put them.
GOP, DEM, DATS what ever:::: just vote!!!!!!!
Matti
October 22nd, 2010
2:50 pm
Bosch!!!
The Irish have their own mafia, you know. I’ll bet Google is paying them for the rights to launder there.
KOCH THIS
October 22nd, 2010
2:50 pm
**”A lot of folks are trying to make the case that the big money is artificially driving the intensity, but that gets it precisely backward,” Collegio said. “The intensity of the grass-roots movement, starting with the tea parties, is what is driving the bigger contributors.”**
**On the conservative side, well-connected groups with big donors have largely eclipsed the efforts of tea party-affiliated groups such as the Tea Party Express, which has spent only $2 million on election activities this year, much it during the primary season, FEC records show.**
**Keith Appell, senior vice president at CRC Public Relations of Alexandria, which helped orchestrate the Swift Boat campaign in 2004, said tea party groups have had little luck attracting deep-pocketed donors in part because of their populist roots.**
**”We have worked with several tea party organizations directly and indirectly, and all of them have been looking for financing of one kind or another,” Appell said. “We have not seen any big-money people emerge in those groups. It’s more organic than people give it credit for.”**
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/22/AR2010102203567.html
The Tea Party is in the driver’s seat. They are truly independent. No big money coming their way. Real Americans looking for real change.
Doggone/GA
October 22nd, 2010
2:50 pm
“End of the day the GOP will have no real power to do anything but say no.”
I agree
williebkind
October 22nd, 2010
2:51 pm
VOTE CONSERVATIVE!
Mick
October 22nd, 2010
2:51 pm
bosch
No problem….I with you and southern comfort on the healthcare bill. Single payer medicare for all, end of story.
Doggone/GA
October 22nd, 2010
2:52 pm
“VOTE CONSERVATIVE!”
When one shows up, I will…but I’m not holding my breath waiting.
chuck
October 22nd, 2010
2:52 pm
OKAY, time for a little Social Studies Lesson for Bosch and others. Socialism is defined as government CONTROL of the means of production and distribution, not necessarily ownership. If the government dictates what providers must provide for patients and tells them what treatments they can and cannot use, which this bill does, it’s probably socialism. If the government MANDATES that all citizens PURCHASE a said product they are controlling Distribution, also socialist. If it walks like a duck…well, it ain’t necessartily AFLAC.
Mick
October 22nd, 2010
2:54 pm
chuck
**government MANDATES that all citizens PURCHASE **
So, let me get this straight, according to your reasoning buying auto insurance is socialistic?
chuck
October 22nd, 2010
2:54 pm
Maybe a better term than SOCIALISM would be SOCIALISTIC…a form that so closely mirrors the principles of socialism that it is essentialy a distinction without a difference.
Matti
October 22nd, 2010
2:56 pm
… meanwhile, people who refuse to buy insurance, and people who are refused the opportunity to do so, are driving up costs for everybody else.
chuck
October 22nd, 2010
2:56 pm
Mick, STATE governments are different than the federal government. In addition, they don’t FORCE anyone to drive or even obtain a license to drive. Driving is not a right, it is a privilege.
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
2:57 pm
“If the government dictates what providers must provide for patients and tells them what treatments they can and cannot use, which this bill does, it’s probably socialism.”
So chuck,
Are the insurance companies socialistic now? Cause that’s precisely what they do.
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
2:58 pm
VOTE CONSERVATIVE!”
When one shows up, I will…but I’m not holding my breath waiting.
My sentiments exactly. Haven’t seen one of those in about 40 years — which is never in my lifetime.
Mick
October 22nd, 2010
2:59 pm
chuck
I think you kinda stepped in it, state or federal it’s still gov’t and if it quacks like a duck……
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
3:00 pm
Mick
I put it out here before, but I’m not completely sold on the single payer system. In the interest of free market enterprise, I think we would be better served by a dual approach to healthcare.
The single payer method could be used for basic care using a system of state or federal funded clinics. Use med students and recent graduates to staff these clinics and give them a steady pay. As an incentive, once they complete a term of service, like 5 years, forgive any student loan debts directly related to medical school. This gives you an almost endless group of doctors, and gives new graduates a chance to earn experience and pay off debts.
For other than basic care, such as emergency care, surgery, or elective processes, you can then have your hospitals and insurance continue to operate as they do now. A person would then have the choice to pick up medical insurance for catastrophic or elective care, but their basic would be taken care of. Once doctors complete time in the basic system, they have the experience to do additional training to advance to this level of care.
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
3:00 pm
It astonishes me that people fight so hard for the right to be uninsured.
120
October 22nd, 2010
3:02 pm
Pence is just one of 400+ House members and probably doesn’t even speak for all the Republicans. There will be compromise because there are a number of right leaning Democrats and BHO will move more to the center after the election.
Billybob
October 22nd, 2010
3:02 pm
The fact that what conservatives are talking about amounts to hitting the iceberg is an interesting thought Bookman. I bet as soon as you hit the submit button you wish you could have a mulligan. Obama is steering us towards BANKRUPTCY and SOCIALISM and the conservatives want to stop this from happening. And it is them(conservatives) that are trying to hit the iceberg? They are trying to miss it, but thanks for sheding light on the far left and your lack of accepting anything other than your ‘intellectual superiority’ on all issues. Thanks for unknowingly supporting the tidal wave that will be hitting shore on Nov 2nd. You are helping define(like the grand canyon) this great divide between what far left socialist rule brings you and what small-gov’t conservative rule will hopefully bring you(and if it doesn’t they will be immediately voted out next cycle by people like me). Barrack Hussein Obama…Mmm, Mmm, Mmm…..has ensured that all gov’t reps from this election on will be held accountable and the lifetime congressman/senators will be a thing of the past, at least on the conservatives side. We all know the left will always vote left and rule leftist as shown by the current central gov’t planner in chief……
getalife
October 22nd, 2010
3:02 pm
“The Irish have their own mafia, you know”
Are they bigger than US Steel?
chuck
October 22nd, 2010
3:02 pm
Matti, I would contend that they are NOT driving up the cost. Rather, they are not causing a decrease in the cost.
notmike
October 22nd, 2010
3:03 pm
“I think it’s pretty clear where we’re headed, which is directly into the iceberg. In fact, a good portion of the GOP seems downright giddy at the prospect of hearing the popping of rivets, the shearing of metal, the inrush of water and the cries of those trapped below deck.”
Yes, because Republicans are bad people who want to do damage to the country and cause people suffering. What a rational (and tolerant) comment. This silly crap is on the same level as the “Obama wants to destroy the country” nonsense. Bookman, Beck, it’s all the same crap.
Scout
October 22nd, 2010
3:03 pm
Mick @ 2:37
I generally agree re: Bush/Obama. However, I don’t know where it is (maybe it’s one of those you’ll know it when you see it) but there is a line that can be crossed.
Personally, before it went to blows I think the government (Federal, state and local) would be basically neutered by the great majority of the population via nullification.
Time will tell but I feel for my grandchildren.
chuck
October 22nd, 2010
3:05 pm
Absolutely not Bosch. By definition a PRIVATE BUSINESS cannot be socialist. People choose whether or not to do business with them. No one is forced to do so BY THE INSURANCE COMPANY.
Mick
October 22nd, 2010
3:05 pm
southern comfort
That’s a start, eventually most people are quite relieved when medicare kicks in at 65. Getting old is no fun but no one gets out alive. On another note, thank god for you tube, had to learn the bass line for billyjean and there it was in full slow motion glory on you tube..
Scout
October 22nd, 2010
3:05 pm
Headline (CBS): “Oops! Did Pres. Clinton Misplace Nuclear Codes?”
“No, it’s not the plot of a Tom Clancy book or a Steven Segal movie. Bill Clinton lost the card containing launch codes for a nuclear strike for “months” during his presidency, according to a top military leader’s memoir.
Gen. Hugh Shelton, who served as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Clinton, makes the claim in his new book “Without Hesitation …………….. ”
DID ANYONE CHECK MONICA’S POCKETBOOK ?
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
3:05 pm
“Time will tell but I feel for my grandchildren.”
I remember back in the Reagan days I used to hear that crap — well, ya’ know, we children of the Reagan years are okay, so I think yours will be too.
Matti
October 22nd, 2010
3:06 pm
I’d think the “onservatives” would be sick and tired of paying higher health care premiums, deductibles, and presription costs to make up for the losses in the industry every time some deadbeat uninsured person gets treatment at the ER. Isn’t that what they’re always screaming mad about? Their “dimes” buying medicine for somebody else’s sick kid?
Normal
October 22nd, 2010
3:06 pm
If it ain’t the way I want it, it’s got to be socialistic….but keep your hand off of my medicare…and social security…and VA benefits, and….anything else that benefits me.
chuck
October 22nd, 2010
3:07 pm
That’s not correct Mick, State governments don’t mandate auto insurance coverage for people who don’t drive. By choosing to drive, you choose the responsibilities that go along with it. That said, it would be better if they did NOT require it. That’s why God created UM coverage.
getalife
October 22nd, 2010
3:08 pm
“If it ain’t the way I want it, it’s got to be socialistic….but keep your hand off of my medicare…and social security…and VA benefits, and….anything else that benefits me.”
The me generation.
Red Hill Rebel
October 22nd, 2010
3:08 pm
The federal government might shut down…sounds perfect and everybody wins.
Except crooks !
chuck
October 22nd, 2010
3:08 pm
Normal, when have you ever seen me advocate FOR social security or medicare?
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
3:08 pm
chuck,
“By definition a PRIVATE BUSINESS cannot be socialist.
But that private business DOES do the things I outlined — the ones YOU said were socialistic.
People choose whether or not to do business with them.
Actually, that’s generally true, but I don’t have a choice as to whom I do business with as it is employer based and there is no way in hell I could afford a policy for my fam on my own. And I think that probably 75-80% of the American population, if I had to wager, are in the same shoes.
No one is forced to do so BY THE INSURANCE COMPANY.
No, of course not, we can all go bankrupt the next time we get a head cold, but yeah, that’s great.
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
3:08 pm
Mick
That bass line is one kick a$$ groove!!!
I’ll see y’all later. There’s a classic Chevy calling out for some TLC. Enjoy the discussion.
carlosgvv
October 22nd, 2010
3:08 pm
You have to remember the Republican Party is completely owned by Big Business. Anything they say or do has to be understood in this contex.
Red Hill Rebel
October 22nd, 2010
3:09 pm
And anyone 50 and younger that thinks “their benefits” will be there, gets what they deserve !
Normal
October 22nd, 2010
3:10 pm
How old are you, Chuck?