GOP leaders steering for the iceberg
U.S. Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind. (AP photo)
Mike Pence, Republican of Indiana, is chairman of the House Republican Conference and is the third highest ranking Republican in the House. Yesterday, in a visit to Florida, he discussed his plans should the GOP take control of the House of Representatives.
TAMPA – Indiana Congressman Mike Pence, a likely 2012 presidential contender, told a gathering of local Republicans Thursday night that Republicans will refuse to compromise with the Obama administration on health care, the economy or anything else if they win the House majority back Nov. 2.
Pence also told the crowd of several hundred Republicans that the nation’s future is at risk, and the country could become a failed power if Republicans don’t win….
“The last Republican Congress didn’t suffer from too little compromise, it suffered too much,” he said. If they retake the majority, he said, there can be “no compromise that allows more borrowing, more spending, more deficits and more debt … no compromise on stopping their government takeover of health care.”
“If I didn’t make myself clear, no compromise,” he said. “We didn’t come this far to … seek consensus with the political liberal elite in Washington.”
Pence’s comments about “no compromise that allows more borrowing, more spending, more deficits and more debt” are particularly interesting, given that sometime next spring, Congress will be required to raise the nation’s debt ceiling or face a shutdown of the government.
I think it’s pretty clear where we’re headed, which is directly into the iceberg. In fact, a good portion of the GOP seems downright giddy at the prospect of hearing the popping of rivets, the shearing of metal, the inrush of water and the cries of those trapped below deck.
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joe
October 22nd, 2010
11:42 am
We don’t have to just control spending, we need to STOP spending, esp. on such wasteful bills as the one that gave GA $13 million for trolley’s, when MARTA buses run just fine. Vote all Dems out!
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
11:42 am
“All the Left-nuts forget that Obama was supposed to come in a Save us all, that’s what he told us over and over again”
Really Nice Guy? Do you have a quote where he said that because I followed the election pretty closely and I missed it.
Or….
Do you have your fill of hyperbole this morning?
md
October 22nd, 2010
11:43 am
Anybody out there in the middle of a foreclosure needs to start digging and make sure the promissory note can be produced. Seems that many mortgages were sold to multiple parties with none having a note, therefore can not foreclose on something they do no own.
Union
October 22nd, 2010
11:43 am
unions do the same thing.. they shut down business if they dont get their way.. where is the faux outrage?
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
11:43 am
thomas
As a father and homeowner, I’d be in favor of stopping both the child tax credit and mortgage interest deductions if that money went specifically to paying down the debt. We’re at a point where the three-card monty doesn’t work anymore. There’s a bitter pill that we will all have to swallow. Why keep kicking that can down the road? I think the best time to do it is now.
Nice Guy
October 22nd, 2010
11:43 am
“In the real world…we hit the iceberg when we elected OBAMA”
I think the key word here is ‘HIT.’ Perhaps we have actually now made contact with the iceberg rather than just steering towards, which was the case prior to Obama.
jewcowboy
October 22nd, 2010
11:44 am
Nice Guy,
“All the Left-nuts forget that Obama was supposed to come in a Save us all, that’s what he told us over and over again.”
Please show me the quotes where he said he was going to “Save us all”…
thomas
October 22nd, 2010
11:44 am
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
11:41 am
That was the solution I offered. Would it appease you more if i offered two or 3? How many is an acceptable standard by you?
I never said to vote in other districts. Control what you can control and do not worry about the other stuff… as you have no control over it.
But i get it you needed some attention and thought a over dramatic post would do it.
Seems you are still a lil’ bitter from yesterday. I’m sorry!
Jay
October 22nd, 2010
11:45 am
Union, really?
You read that column as touting the APS board for its sterling leadership?
Sad you should stoop to that.
thomas
October 22nd, 2010
11:46 am
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
11:43 am
I agree 100%.
Was simply getting clairification, as many who call for the tax cuts to end forget about child tax credits and such many often only look at the %.
Obviously you do not and i have nothing further to add as i am in 100% agreement.
Nice Guy
October 22nd, 2010
11:46 am
“Please show me the quotes where he said he was going to “Save us all”…”
Have you forgotten his campaign mantra: Hope & Change you can believe in…
Come save us, oh chosen one. Oops…
@@
October 22nd, 2010
11:46 am
And the band played on. That part in Titanic always makes me cry.
It’s a battle to see who will be KING OF THE WORLD. Europe?
After decades of carrying all that extra weight, they’re starting to throw the non-essentials overboard.
LOWER THE LIFEBOATS! Conservatives and children first!!!!!
Jefferson
October 22nd, 2010
11:46 am
The GOP is just a weak little group with nothing to offer.
DJ Sniper
October 22nd, 2010
11:46 am
I just love it when people think that this country is going to automatically right itself simply by putting Republicans back in office. Granted, the Democrats are far from perfect, but anybody who thinks that Republicans are going to turn things around overnight is in for a rude awakening. Putting people like Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Art Robinson, and any of these other right wing fringe lunatics in office is nothing but a recipe for disaster.
jewcowboy
October 22nd, 2010
11:47 am
Nice Guy,
“People are fed up with Obama and his far left agenda.”
Specifically, what part of his agenda would you consider far left?
Peter
October 22nd, 2010
11:47 am
The Titanic was the made up Iraq WAR, which the grand children will be paying for.
Mission accomplished !
I imagine the Republican’s would like another WAR some where so ” Cost Plus Contracts ” can be enacted yet again, and the US treasury can get bilked once again.
Left wing management
October 22nd, 2010
11:47 am
Here’s a proposal for the French workers:
Let’s not have a RAISING of the retirement age, let’s have a LOWERING of the retirement age by 3 years for the French and have it supported by a transaction tax on all hedge fund and derivatives-based financial transactions.
Don’t think I’m joking. I’m dead serious.
The Thin Guy
October 22nd, 2010
11:47 am
Whatever it takes to torpedo Øbungle. It should be abundantly obvious to anyone that whatever the answers to America’s problems are they are totally unknown to Zippy’s teleprompter. He is just a suave, debonair, metro sexual who would be doing underwear commercials for JC Penny if it weren’t for the fact that in America morons are allowed to vote. Our very survival depends on stopping the Muslim Marxist while we still have a country. Time to throw Holy Water on this vampire and drive a stake through his evil heart (metaphorically, that is).
jewcowboy
October 22nd, 2010
11:48 am
Nice Guy,
“Have you forgotten his campaign mantra: Hope & Change you can believe in”
I still don’t see a quote where he said he was going to “Save us all.”
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
11:48 am
thomas
Agreed!! I’m for ending them all. Obama put a tax cut into the stimulus bill. I’d say let that one expire too. Until we get a grip on the deficit, all the electoral gimmicks need to stop.
Peadawg
October 22nd, 2010
11:48 am
“Doggone/GA
October 22nd, 2010
11:30 am
were the republican members of congress not voting “no” based on the agenda and principles they set forth to get themselves elected? Why would you hold the two to different standards?
Either it is OK for all to do or it is not OK for any to do. isn’t that fair?”
But the Republican’s agenda and principles are different than Doggone’s so it’s not the same.
AmVet
October 22nd, 2010
11:50 am
Guy, my point was more over-arching than just that one specific profiteering industry, but it remains valid.
Americans spend more money on health care than in any other country on the planet. And the outcomes are arguably no better. We are 27th in some lists and fading.
Corruption, waste, fraud, incompetence and abuse by the for-profit shysters are some of the reasons.
Millions of Americans die needlessly every year, because they are not profitable enough.
And we both know I can and have provided dozens of examples heretofore to prove that case.
The health care industry in this nation is wrecked, an economic disaster and a tragic joke.
And had the profiteers acted responsibly and ethically, Uncle Sam would not have even had to get involved…
Union
October 22nd, 2010
11:50 am
no stooping jay… sorry you feel that way.. i really do.. in the “real” world.. districts and businesses are run from the top down.. unless they have a union.. then its top – sideways pulling.. then to the bottom.. your quote.
“The contract of Atlanta Public Schools Superintendent Beverly Hall expires next June, and given all that has transpired, it seems likely that one way or another, her largely successful tenure as head of the Atlanta system will be coming to an end.”
largely successful? aps is in a mess.. ethically.. financially and with waste abundant and employees that know neither who they report to nor what they do.. atlanta spends a tremendous amount of money per pupil.. with little return on investment. so.. my question to you.. who was leading aps?
jewcowboy
October 22nd, 2010
11:50 am
“Whatever it takes to torpedo Øbungle”
And there we have the most heartfelt statement of the day…people like this don’t care if the country succeeds as long as Obama fails.
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
11:51 am
Overly dramatic? No, in response to what you wrote to getalife:
getalife
October 22nd, 2010
11:26 am
thomas,
It’s the system so you can vote them all out but the new ones will still be in a corrupt system.
thomas
October 22nd, 2010
11:39 am
getalife
October 22nd, 2010
11:26 am
Then we vote them out!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sounds to me like you are being the testy one today — someone questioning you always burn so? There’s therapy for that.
Anywho……how else is anyone to take that — little English lesson, when you use the word “them” it means plural, so in the case of voting out a plural of politicians, you would have to be able to vote more than just the one that represents you, which explains why I asked, understand now?
It was also commentary to the fact that were criticizing getalife for complaining with offering no solution, when you, in fact were doing the exact same thing yourself, therefore being a little hypocritical — which is okay with me, mind you, we all are hypocrites, but rarely do you see it so blaring.
False Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR)
October 22nd, 2010
11:51 am
Haven’t you right-wingers heard the good news??? Even with one hand tied behind his back, President Obama’s policies allowed creation of more private sector jobs in 2010 than Bush did in his entire 8 years. You guys can’t drive and you DON’T deserve the keys back!
Fiscal conservatism is a proven train wreck; a mythical theory that needs to be abandoned before our country is literally owned by China.
DJ Sniper
October 22nd, 2010
11:51 am
I see we have some genisuses who STILL believe that Obama is a socialist and a Muslim. Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid.
@@
October 22nd, 2010
11:52 am
I’m in agreement with thomas and SoCo on the credits.
How many here see their tax refund as a savings account, spending it before it arrives?
Pas moi!
Union
October 22nd, 2010
11:52 am
Left wing management
October 22nd, 2010
11:47 am
“Here’s a proposal for the French workers:
Let’s not have a RAISING of the retirement age, let’s have a LOWERING of the retirement age by 3 years for the French and have it supported by a transaction tax on all hedge fund and derivatives-based financial transactions.
Don’t think I’m joking. I’m dead serious.”
awesome.. i like it.. how bout we toss in a 50% tax on any union forced dues?
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
11:52 am
Nice Guy,
“Have you forgotten his campaign mantra: Hope & Change you can believe in…”
Yes, I remember that.
Now, where in his campaign speeches did he promise to save us all?
Or, again, have you had enough hyperbole for one day?
pat
October 22nd, 2010
11:52 am
We already hit the iceburg…. We need to try to keep the thing afloat….Democrats once again, have proven to stupid to be in charge.
One Nation Under educated
October 22nd, 2010
11:54 am
“no compromise on spending & deficits”
oh really. $13 trillion debt – $9 trillion borrowed by Republicans (two-thirds)
I’ll say this. They’ve got gall. Sociopaths have no shame, no remorse.
AmVet
October 22nd, 2010
11:54 am
unions do the same thing.. they shut down business if they dont get their way.. where is the faux outrage?
Jesus, even when you pro-corporate, anti-worker neo-cons “win”, you still b!tch.
Union membership is now down to less than one in ten in this country. I believe it is in the 8% range. It used to be three to four times that number.
You busted them completely apart and yet you still blame them for the economic woes of this country.
Amazing…
curt
October 22nd, 2010
11:55 am
No compromises? How do these jerks think our country got this far? Diverse opinions have always been our strength until now. They seem to think anarchy is OK as long as they’re the ones pulling the strings but whine about being excluded like a bunch of spoiled brats when things don’t go their way.
What short and convenient memories Republicans have. Where were all of these people who are so concerned about the deficit when Bush/Cheney were creating it from the surplus of the Clinton era? Further, if the Bush tax cuts were such a good idea, why weren’t they permanent? Surely it wasn’t to set the stage to claim that Democrats raised taxes if they weren’t renewed.
It’s going to take more than narcissitic talk show blowhards and the uninformed and unquestioning running around in revolutionary period drag to move us forward as a nation.
Our enemies thank them for the precipice of hate they’re driving us toward.
Union
October 22nd, 2010
11:55 am
amvet.. uh huh..
aint life grand.. (btw – that 8% is outspending everyone else on this election cycle and they are proud of it)
md
October 22nd, 2010
11:56 am
“How many here see their tax refund as a savings account”
More like a forced loan with zero interest……….
JohnnyReb
October 22nd, 2010
11:57 am
Fannie and Freddie will need $154 billion more of your money to cover the continuing bad realestate loans. Obama has not announced this due to the Nov elections. Yep, CRA was a god-send! And, Barney was really on top of things. Wait, that thing Barney was on top of, it was not Fannie and Freddie. Wait, it could have been Fannie!
md
October 22nd, 2010
11:58 am
“Putting people like Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Art Robinson, and any of these other right wing fringe lunatics in office is nothing but a recipe for disaster.”
Look at it as balancing some that are already there such as Pelosi, Rangle, Frank etc
Bobby Buttimer
October 22nd, 2010
11:58 am
I hope all those folks cheering on the conservatives remember that the last Republican Congress voted to raise our debt ceiling to the highest it has ever been; this after promising the same promises being espoused by them now. They say all the right things to get elected, then go about their business in a most unconservative way!
AmVet
October 22nd, 2010
11:59 am
We already hit the iceburg…. We need to try to keep the thing afloat….Democrats once again, have proven to stupid to be in charge.
pat I agree, the massive loss of (economic) lives took place starting in September of 2008, with the culmination of the nearly successful corporate destruction of capitalism
It is not that the Tweedledeers and Tweedledummers are too (Not to) stupid to be in charge.
They are merely too gutless and unethical…
AmVet
October 22nd, 2010
12:00 pm
(btw – that 8% is outspending everyone else on this election cycle and they are proud of it)
Do you ever tire of intentionally propagating misinformation?
Left wing management
October 22nd, 2010
12:01 pm
Union: “awesome.. i like it.. how bout we toss in a 50% tax on any union forced dues?”
And who do these proceeds go to? The Dick Armey’s of the world?
thomas
October 22nd, 2010
12:01 pm
Bosch
October 22nd, 2010
11:51 am
I do not know about you Bosch, but i do vote for more than 1 person to go to Washington D.C. and represent me and everyone else in my dstrict. Hell i usually get to vote for a representative from my discrict, sometimes for a senator, you know each state gets 2, and every 4 yrs i vote for a president.
Now is 3 a plural number? I never was good at math so it may be singular?
“It was also commentary to the fact that were criticizing getalife for complaining with offering no solution, when you, in fact were doing the exact same thing yourself, therefore being a little hypocritical — which is okay with me, mind you, we all are hypocrites, but rarely do you see it so blaring.”
Wow what an immature ass you cvan be at times!
You do understand that you even acknowledge that I offered A SOLUTION.
Now if i had offered zero your accusation would be true…. however since it is not true it just makes yyou look pathetic like a persn trying desperately to show me as a hypocrit after I proved you were one yesterday… with multiple examples may I add.
You still get all bitchy when someone besides you speaks for another group of people? Or is it you who is the only one allowed to use sacasm as an excuse still?
ken R
October 22nd, 2010
12:02 pm
Jay, maybe the best thing that could happen to us is if our Gov’t. shut down for a few months. We have way to many politicians screwing up our country as it is.
jewcowboy
October 22nd, 2010
12:02 pm
AmVet,
“You busted them completely apart and yet you still blame them for the economic woes of this country.”
A Republican economic boogey man? They better not look under their bed…
getalife
October 22nd, 2010
12:03 pm
How to get a corrupt congress to change a corrupt system?
It’s a tough question and Americans are not voting them out.
Ken
October 22nd, 2010
12:04 pm
jewcowboy, companies do not pay taxes, people pay taxes !
Doggone/GA
October 22nd, 2010
12:05 pm
“were the republican members of congress not voting “no” based on the agenda and principles they set forth to get themselves elected?”
No, they weren’t and no they aren’t. They are holding up bills solely to prevent them from passing. They don’t care what’s in them. How do I suspect that? Because even when they propose amendments and those amendments pass…they then either vote against they bill, or they hold it up.
Union
October 22nd, 2010
12:06 pm
left wing management – (nice oxymoron btw) they would go to the states for retirement accounts..
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 22nd, 2010
12:06 pm
kinda halfway sounds like “read my lips, no new taxes” dudinint?
Jay
October 22nd, 2010
12:06 pm
JohnnyReb writes:
“Here’s an example of Democratic solutions – HR 4646 introduced by US Rep Peter DeFazio D-Oregon and US Senator Tom Harkin D-Iowa is now in committee. The bill would place a One Percent transaction tax on all transactions at any financial institution…”
Actually, that’s an example of conservative, heavily distorted propaganda. HR 4646 was introduced in February by U.S. Rep. Chaka Fattah, an obscure congressman from Pennsylvania. It proposes to replace the personal income tax with the transaction tax.
DeFazio has nothing to do with it; Harkins has nothing to do with it. In fact, the bill has ZERO co-sponsors, and ZERO chance of even getting a committee hearing. But because it is useful in ginning up conservative paranoia, it is inflated through lies into something it clearly is not. It is just another example of the willful, conscious misinformation used to fool the American people.
But people believe it because they want to.
jewcowboy
October 22nd, 2010
12:06 pm
ken R,
“maybe the best thing that could happen to us is if our Gov’t. shut down for a few months.”
Before you make statements like that, perhaps you should see the consequences such a scenario would cause. Want a passport, gun, or go to Yosemite? And now with TSA as Federal entity, want to fly to Boston for that sales meeting?
http://www.rules.house.gov/archives/98-844.pdf
Jimmy62
October 22nd, 2010
12:07 pm
Ahh, and of course the Democrats under Pelosi haven’t steered us towards any icebergs, they have been perfect stewards of our economy. Oh wait, if I check the facts, I see things started to go bad after Pelosi and the Democrats took over Congress and started pushing their fantasy economics. I’m thinking that’s the iceberg, the GOP is simply trying to save what’s left after we hit the iceberg. Whereas the Democrats seem to want to take a u-turn and drive straight back in to the iceberg.
SPSU
October 22nd, 2010
12:07 pm
AmVet – complaining about sending Tom Price back??? How about your favorite man Hank Johnson? How about the slobbering Barney Frank, Reid, etc. He has no problem with the government running health care??? Hopefully they will do such an outstanding job in this area as they do for SS, USPS, Medicare/MediCad, etc.
Amazes me that AmVet shares than same district with me. I wonder who was that 1 person driving around Alpharetta with an Obama sticker.
Pope UGA XXIII
October 22nd, 2010
12:07 pm
This guy sounds like Cynthia Tucker.
Now that the liberal pukes are fixing to get their arrogant,
elitist butt kicked, people like Book-end wants to compromise.
Where has the compromise been during the last 2 years,
Bookman ?? You people always seem to want to do things on
a different fashion when you’re fixing to be on the outside.
Every one of the “leaders” who helped cause these problems
need to be kicked to the curb including a bunch of “RINOS”
which I’m sure needs no interpretation.
If the collection of newly elected members of Congress
fail to get the spending under control, get rid of them and try
some more in 2012. This bad habit of paying people who do
not want to be productive mebers of society needs to come
to a screeching halt – maybe some of these new leaders that
are on the way will have the gumption to say – NO MORE !!
Vinny
October 22nd, 2010
12:08 pm
Well Jay – The libs have taken the country over the waterfall in a barrell. Tell me this, if the Obama administration and the dems are doing such a great job, how come they suck so bad?
Where are the jobs? Where is the recovery?
Confused
October 22nd, 2010
12:08 pm
Again, where were all these Republicans who are suddenly concerned about “Spending beyond our means” when the past Republican president took us from a huge surplus to a crushing deficit?
Tell me..where were these Republicans when we were spending a billion dollars every ten days fighting (Imaginary) enemies and the wrong ones in Afghanistan?..Both wars concieved, ordered and executed by a Republican president?
Tell me, where were these Republicans when the past president was the architect of the TARP bailout and left the “mop-up” operation to the current president?
All of a sudden Republicans are now bothered about “spending beyond our means” and I bet you that if we examine the TARP bailout votes, all these “holier-than-thou Repubs” ALL voted YES for the Tarp bailout!
All i hear about from the Republican party is that the “run-away spending” and “out-of-control spending” are gonna stop BUT i am yet to see a shred of evidence on how that is going to happen..unfortunately populist anger are going to get them the majority in the house and senate..I fear for this Country’s political climate in the coming year’s..
The hypocrisy of the Republican party is just mind boggling..and I challenge anyone to post a substantive link showing how the Republicans are going to reduce the deficit..not some SNL script that was renamed “GOP pledge to America”..something more concrete than that!
md
October 22nd, 2010
12:08 pm
“I believe it is in the 8% range.”
Which happened to do pretty good for itself….along with Wall St.
The industry that took the biggest hit – Construction/Real Estate – not so much.
ken R
October 22nd, 2010
12:08 pm
I don’t usually agree wit AmVet, but he is correct about Unions, the only country without Unions are Communist countries. The Unions have given all of us better wages better working conditions and a better way of life. Yes there are deffinately some bad apples in the Unions but I believe that the good outweigh the bad.
jewcowboy
October 22nd, 2010
12:08 pm
Ken,
“companies do not pay taxes, people pay taxes !”
Well…I guess with Citizens United v Federal Election Commission…you might be right.
stands for decibels
October 22nd, 2010
12:09 pm
I’m no GOPer, but I still relish that prospect.
So you’re a sociopath then. Thanks for clearing that up.
stands for decibels
October 22nd, 2010
12:10 pm
But people believe it because they want to.
Wouldn’t it be nice if people actually faced consequences for spreading lies?
Joe Frank
October 22nd, 2010
12:10 pm
Makes no sense Jay; sorry.
thomas
October 22nd, 2010
12:10 pm
Doggone/GA
October 22nd, 2010
12:05 pm
There were still things, even after their ammendments were added, that some of the republicans were fundamentally against and were elected on those fundamentals.
Should republicans not vote on their fundamental principles?
Hankie Aron
October 22nd, 2010
12:12 pm
Bookman,
I thought Tucker had lost her mind. After reading this, I know you have. WOW!
md
October 22nd, 2010
12:12 pm
“How to get a corrupt congress to change a corrupt system?”
Don’t you mean get a corrupt congress to change a corrupt congress??
SPSU
October 22nd, 2010
12:13 pm
Like always – AmVet distorting the truth. Union membership was 12.5% in 2008.
ken R
October 22nd, 2010
12:14 pm
Jay, are you saying that I shouldn’t believe all the political commercials during an election year? LOL
Union
October 22nd, 2010
12:14 pm
Confused
October 22nd, 2010
12:08 pm
“Tell me..where were these Republicans when we were spending a billion dollars every ten days fighting (Imaginary) enemies and the wrong ones in Afghanistan?..Both wars concieved, ordered and executed by a Republican president?”
4700 lost lives in iraq.. over 2100 in afghanistan – someone shouldve told them they were killed by an imaginary enemy?
AmVet
October 22nd, 2010
12:15 pm
SPSU, my favorite man Hank Johnson? Obama bumper stickers?
Do you ever tire of being the clueless fool with his feet forever in his mouth?
(Don’t worry, the question is rhetorical.)
But you do provide some comedic spectacle, so you are not totally useless…
md
October 22nd, 2010
12:15 pm
“I don’t usually agree wit AmVet, but he is correct about Unions, the only country without Unions are Communist countries.”
Don’t look now, but the biggest communist country out there is kicking our ass in labor costs……………….with capitalism……
ken R
October 22nd, 2010
12:17 pm
JewCowboy, I am quite aware that we can’t really shut down our Gov’t It was whimsical dreaming.
Joe
October 22nd, 2010
12:17 pm
I understand that as a far left loon Jay you don’t really understand reality. Reality is that we have already crashed into the iceberg and hopefully Republicans will arrive with rescue boats on November 2nd. Obama and the rest of the far left idiots now controlling Congress steered us directly into oblivion with these massive new programs such as Obamacare and cap and tax that’s going to continue driving a nail through our economy.
Disgusted
October 22nd, 2010
12:17 pm
Jay, maybe the best thing that could happen to us is if our Gov’t. shut down for a few months. We have way to many politicians screwing up our country as it is.
What kind of pervert wants the federal government to shut down? Millions without Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. All federal agencies closed—no food inspections, no work on vaccines, etc. Are you mad?
David S
October 22nd, 2010
12:18 pm
The ship of state has already sunk. The problem is that nobody on the right or left is willing to admit it. The sooner the rivets pop and the truth gets out the better americans will be. The Federal Government is an unnecessary evil. It was something we could deal with as a country when it stayed within the limits imposed by the constitution but Lincoln began the process of making the federal government the Leviathan it is today.
Frankly we need to restore the Articles of Confederation, make the states the primary ruling authority in the nation and restore the freedom and liberty that the federal government has destroyed. If the republicans can make that inevitable collapse of the central government happen faster than the democrats (and I don’t know how they could ever manage that) so be it.
This country certainly needs a change, but neither the democrats or the republicans are going to give it the change it needs. Only the people and the free market can do that.
ken R
October 22nd, 2010
12:18 pm
MD they are doing it with fear, and wages that would starve you & me.
Hankie Aron
October 22nd, 2010
12:18 pm
I know the libs will disagree, but this whole column has more drama in it than a Broadway play, Wait it is a Broadway play, it’s called “Sour Grapes”
Left wing management
October 22nd, 2010
12:18 pm
Union: “left wing management – (nice oxymoron btw) they would go to the states for retirement accounts..”
Ah but wouldn’t that violate your whole volunteerist principle by forcing these accounts? Nah, let’s just drop that idea and stick with the taxes that stick it to the financiers.
ken R
October 22nd, 2010
12:19 pm
Disgusted, please go and take your Meds.
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
12:19 pm
jewcowboy, companies do not pay taxes, people pay taxes !
Yep, and google is the latest to jump on that bandwagon by sending profits to the Caribbean.
jconservative
October 22nd, 2010
12:22 pm
I suppose people and parties can change. But expecting the Republicans to actually cut spending and reduce the national debt is a pretty far reach. It would certainly be out of the character they have built for themselves the past 30 years.
The last Republican president to sign a balanced budget was Eisenhower.
Yet Republicans have been in control of the White House 20 of the last 30 years.
But hope springs eternal in the human breast. I am optimistic that people and parties can change. Republicans would need to abandon the leadership they have had the last few years. And they will need to do away with the “No Cut Defense” holy cow they have worshipped for the last 30 years.
And they will probably need to abandon tax cuts. Obama just did the largest tax cut in history and the deficit (FY 2010) only went down 100 billion from the previous high (FY 2009)under Bush.
It is strange, but for some reason when you cut taxes and borrow money to replace the revenue lost from the tax cuts, the national debt just gets bigger. And that is what both Democrats and Republicans have been doing the last 30 years.
David S
October 22nd, 2010
12:22 pm
Disgusted – Yes, nobody would care about food safety, caring for their elderly parents, creating profitable medicines (private companies do this you know, not the government), care about auto safety, care about protecting themselves, etc. without the government. What an idiot!
Before the turn of the 20th century virtually nobody in america had any association with anyone from the federal government outside of the post office. Now they regulate virtually everything that everyone does from birth to death. Any to what benefit. This country is not as messed up as it is because there is not enough government, it is messed up because there is WAY TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT.
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October 22nd, 2010
12:22 pm
Calif. woman drove for months with dead body in passenger seat
Former real estate agent had become used to the smell, police say
A former real estate agent drove with the partially mummified body of a homeless woman in the passenger seat of her car for between three and 10 months, according to a report.
In California, ‘ya gotta have one of these stickers to drive in the HOV lane.
That ^^^ and a stinkin’ corpse.
Normal
October 22nd, 2010
12:23 pm
you guys say, “Vote ‘em out, vote ‘em out”. Hogewash! How do you know if your vote is being counted? If you vote against a shill of the Corporate Gods, how do you know? Being an Electrinics Engineer, I know how easily it is to have, say, 10% of the oppositions vote to fall into the bit bucket and be lost forever in cyberspace. No one’s the wiser and no paper trail to fall back on. Vote ‘em out? Hah, you guys really are naive.
Left wing management
October 22nd, 2010
12:23 pm
Joe, Joe, Joe! Calm down man, you’re screaming like a hysterical banshee there, pal. ( “Obama and the rest of the far left idiots now controlling Congress” )
Where did you learn your political lexicon? Where do you get the idea that the Dems in the US Congress are “far left” my friend? Is your head just soft from listening to too much AM radio? The problem is, I get the idea that you’re not just using this for rhetorical purposes but you really believe it. Which is scary.
AmVet
October 22nd, 2010
12:23 pm
Good catch!
Which is why I wrote I believe it is in the 8% range.
Like always? A rather childish, unfounded assertion, no?
So don’t get your panties in a wad.
I don’t usually agree wit AmVet, but he is correct about Unions, the only country without Unions are Communist countries. The Unions have given all of us better wages better working conditions and a better way of life. Yes there are deffinately some bad apples in the Unions but I believe that the good outweigh the bad.
ken, well spoken. The demonization of them is to me most bizarre given that the demonizers enjoy innumerable benefits derived from them.
Excluding, of course, our completely self-made friends!
stands for decibels
October 22nd, 2010
12:25 pm
It’s not strictly on-topic, but Jay’s reference to the ship’s steerage class got me thinking bigger.
I guess the people for whom I feel the most profound sorrow (well, at least I know that they are GOING to be hurting–maybe some will deserve it, most probably don’t) would be the grass rootsy working class supporters, the sort who come in here periodically and tell Jay and Cynthia some variant of “you sorry ol’ liberals won’t know what hit you come November.”
If there were a way for me to do this, if I could talk one-on-one to each of these enthusiasts, I would gently put my hand on the shoulder of each and every one of my fellow American citizens who are braying about all the Big Changes we’re going to see come the mid-terms and say, softly, confidentially…
“November, 2006. Remember November 2006? Man oh man. High times. We may not have actually said so out loud, but a lot of us were just SURE in the next few months, we were going to send Bush and Cheney to nice new jail-cell accommodations in the Hague. We were going to defund the Iraq occupation. We were going to frog-march Karl Rove. We could visualize Erik Prince in an orange jumpsuit, collecting trash by the side of the road. Remember how that turned out for us? More importantly, how it turned out for them?”
But I can’t do that. So these folks will have to cope with the profound sense of disappointment and betrayal in some manner, hopefully one that is not a physical threat to themselves and others.
jewcowboy
October 22nd, 2010
12:25 pm
ken R,
“I am quite aware that we can’t really shut down our Gov’t It was whimsical dreaming.”
I would say more like a nightmare when you look at the reality of shutting it down. Though in some respects i agree with about shutting it…just so all the people who complain about government spending and those who want a government small enough to drown, can see what comes with that.
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October 22nd, 2010
12:25 pm
My link?
A clean air sticker.
stands for decibels
October 22nd, 2010
12:26 pm
Where do you get the idea that the Dems in the US Congress are “far left” my friend?
Same place they heard that NPR is a liberal radio outfit.
jewcowboy
October 22nd, 2010
12:27 pm
Hankie Aron,
“I know the libs will disagree, but this whole column has more drama in it than a Broadway play”
I wouldn’t disagree…most of the drama queens on this blog seem to be cut from the “conservative” cloth.
RGB
October 22nd, 2010
12:30 pm
“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.”
williebkind
October 22nd, 2010
12:30 pm
Southern Comfort
October 22nd, 2010
10:56 am
Do you call a ten year old a baby or infant. Then why do you call it tax cuts instead of tax raises? Just wondering how long something has to be gone before its replacement is considered new.
jewcowboy
October 22nd, 2010
12:31 pm
stands for decibels,
“Same place they heard that NPR is a liberal radio outfit.”
Palin and Newt?
Fletch
October 22nd, 2010
12:32 pm
If anyone still wonders how the political process works, this should clarify it for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSbl4w5J1DY
williebkind
October 22nd, 2010
12:32 pm
I will not donate anymore to NPR! Where is the separation of radio and state? That has got to be the new interpretation of the constitution by the liberals. If not they will get a judge to make it a law.
Whacks Eloquent
October 22nd, 2010
12:32 pm
Steering for an iceberg is not so fearsome if you are in an icebreaker ship…the USS Tea Party!
Bring her on…esp if that iceberg is government spending! Interesting analogy too, the iceberg…the largest part of the iceberg is under the water, obscured so you can’t see it…
I’d rather go down trying to destroy that iceberg than steering clear and letting it just grow!
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 22nd, 2010
12:32 pm
jewcowboy: your church should rescind it’s tax exempt status and start paying taxers like other companies.
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Too bad about that whole “separation of church and state thing”…it’s a b i tch when it works the other way, eh?
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 22nd, 2010
12:33 pm
Excellent post, Whacks!
getalife
October 22nd, 2010
12:33 pm
“Don’t you mean get a corrupt congress to change a corrupt congress??”
The idea was to serve and go back to their regular jobs like farming.
Now, it a billion dollar industry(lobbyists) with career politicians.