GOP leaders steering for the iceberg

U.S. Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind. (AP photo)

U.S. Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind. (AP photo)

Mike Pence, Republican of Indiana, is chairman of the House Republican Conference and is the third highest ranking Republican in the House. Yesterday, in a visit to Florida, he discussed his plans should the GOP take control of the House of Representatives.

From the Tampa Tribune:

TAMPA – Indiana Congressman Mike Pence, a likely 2012 presidential contender, told a gathering of local Republicans Thursday night that Republicans will refuse to compromise with the Obama administration on health care, the economy or anything else if they win the House majority back Nov. 2.

Pence also told the crowd of several hundred Republicans that the nation’s future is at risk, and the country could become a failed power if Republicans don’t win….

“The last Republican Congress didn’t suffer from too little compromise, it suffered too much,” he said. If they retake the majority, he said, there can be “no compromise that allows more borrowing, more spending, more deficits and more debt … no compromise on stopping their government takeover of health care.”

“If I didn’t make myself clear, no compromise,” he said. “We didn’t come this far to … seek consensus with the political liberal elite in Washington.”

Pence’s comments about “no compromise that allows more borrowing, more spending, more deficits and more debt” are particularly interesting, given that sometime next spring, Congress will be required to raise the nation’s debt ceiling or face a shutdown of the government.

I think it’s pretty clear where we’re headed, which is directly into the iceberg. In fact, a good portion of the GOP seems downright giddy at the prospect of hearing the popping of rivets, the shearing of metal, the inrush of water and the cries of those trapped below deck.

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Southern Comfort

October 22nd, 2010
10:36 am

Welcome to the United States of America… sonsored by KY Brand lubricants. Only in America does people get democratically elected to screw the very people who put them in office. Time to stock up on KY, Astroglide, or whatever brand is your choice of lube. :)

md

October 22nd, 2010
10:37 am

“I think it’s pretty clear where we’re headed, which is directly into the iceberg.”

Well you are right Jay, we are definetly currently on the Titanic……………..

getalife

October 22nd, 2010
10:38 am

I am for shutting down corrupt congress to end corporate socialism.

Lil' Barry Bailout

October 22nd, 2010
10:42 am

Sorry Jay, but I completely missed your point. What part of stopping the obscene spending and getting government out of our health care decisions do you find troubling?

TaxPayer

October 22nd, 2010
10:42 am

So, does Mr. Pence stand in front of a mirror when he just says no to more spending and more borrowing and more debt and only turn away when he says tax cut or how does that work. These Republicans are so confusing.

larry

October 22nd, 2010
10:43 am

Government in our health care decisions? When did this happen?

Peadawg

October 22nd, 2010
10:44 am

“no compromise that allows more borrowing, more spending, more deficits and more debt”

Besides the debt ceiling issue, what exactly is wrong with this statement?

TINSTAAFL

October 22nd, 2010
10:44 am

Jay: You should get luckovich to sketch a cartoon of this. I think it’d be pretty funny.

larry

October 22nd, 2010
10:45 am

•Let you choose your own doctor: Health reform makes it clear that you can choose any available participating primary care provider as your provider, and any available participating pediatrician to be your child’s primary care provider.

getalife

October 22nd, 2010
10:45 am

Peadawg,

After watching them spend last time, do you actually believe they will change?

HDB

October 22nd, 2010
10:46 am

“The last Republican Congress didn’t suffer from too little compromise, it suffered too much….”

Interesting….shut down the government….keep the peoples’ needs at bay….and score points with the elites…..

Hypocracy…thy name is GOP!! Where’s my life preserver?? The ship’s already HIT the iceberg…..and going down!!

larry

October 22nd, 2010
10:47 am

Let the Republicans continue to talk. The more they talk, the more the Democrats move up in the polls.

Thank God We Escaped!

October 22nd, 2010
10:47 am

Oh My My! Well and truly flocked you are… Hey, Ugmerica may well destroy the world. It is off to a good start in that direction. At least it looks certain that they will be reaping some of what they have sown. Gonna get UGLY.

P.S. Ugmerica is a word i just created; it is a wonderful summation so use it early and often.

Peadawg

October 22nd, 2010
10:48 am

“After watching them spend last time, do you actually believe they will change?”

Atleast they are saying they’ll try. I haven’t seen or heard any indication from Obama that he plans on cutting anything. All I hear from him is raise taxes.

Southern Comfort

October 22nd, 2010
10:49 am

Peadawg

If the GOP wasn’t gung ho about extending Bush’s tax cuts, I’d believe that statement. The money to pay for that tax cut will not just appear out of thin air.

AmVet

October 22nd, 2010
10:49 am

“Government in our health care decisions? When did this happen?”

When the “free-market”, profiteers decided they were going to act completely irresponsibly.

When they earned the title of the Titans of Malfeasance and Criminal Negligence.

When the “Let the free market police itself” idiots allowed them to subvert we the people’s sovereignty.

When the American plutocracy neared maturity.

And if it is already too late, we are all hopelessly screwed

md

October 22nd, 2010
10:50 am

“After watching them spend last time, do you actually believe they will change?”

Highly doubtful………….but I’ll take balanced gov’t any day over either party with total control.

And the current group sure hasn’t done very well on the spending issue…….

getalife

October 22nd, 2010
10:50 am

Peadawg,

He formed the cat food commission.

The gop will not change.

Wake up.

Peadawg

October 22nd, 2010
10:51 am

“If the GOP wasn’t gung ho about extending Bush’s tax cuts”

Ya I agree that the rich should pay more. If only we had that PERFECT candidate…..

Mick

October 22nd, 2010
10:51 am

I guess all the spending up to january 2007 was OK? How’s about revisiting that medicare drug bill that was pushed into law by tom delay? Democrats are annoying but republicans are shameless bullies driven by ideology that services the rich.

AmVet

October 22nd, 2010
10:51 am

“After watching them spend last time, do you actually believe they will change?”

The rubes and loyalists are not concerned with credibility.

Or the complete lack thereof.

Oh hello, Mr. Fox! I know you’ve changed your ways. Here is the key to the gate to the American hen house.

Hook, line and sinker, baby…

Harry Callahan

October 22nd, 2010
10:52 am

Realx Jay…only 11 more days until we put adults back in charge.

LOL at Bookman…like continuing to run Barack’s $1.3 trillion deficit every year for the forseeable future isn’t “steering for the iceberg”…

md

October 22nd, 2010
10:53 am

“The money to pay for that tax cut will not just appear out of thin air.”

And that depends………..it the money gets spent, it WILL get taxed, and some times many times…………

Halftrack

October 22nd, 2010
10:54 am

Jay, What is your solution for the fine mess we find ourselves in? I know if my credit card debt is high there is a need to quit spending or bankruptcy is around the corner. Our debt is now at 13 + Trillion dollars. Rich people, the top 3% of our nation pay 97% of the Income taxes now. Also there are 47% of the nation on food stamps. If we raised taxes to 100% of the tax paying citizens, there would not be enough money to pay our national debt. What part of unsustainable do you not understand? The journey of a 1000 miles begins with 1 step. Let’s get off the Socialist bus because its destination is Povertyville for all.

Mick

October 22nd, 2010
10:55 am

harry

We can begin to solve that problem pronto – let the tax cuts expire for everyone…

Thank God We Escaped!

October 22nd, 2010
10:55 am

Ughmerica Ugmerica!

God shed disgrace on Thee!!

There is no Good, or Brotherhood

from sea to shining sea!

Ugmerica = just a con job for the masses now.

md

October 22nd, 2010
10:55 am

“Oh hello, Mr. Fox! I know you’ve changed your ways. Here is the key to the gate to the American hen house.”

Now Am – what exactly is the difference between 2 foxes???? One already has the keys………

Ragnar Danneskjöld

October 22nd, 2010
10:55 am

One thing the Dems haven’t tried: responsible governance. In an essay titled “Republicans Kind Of soock . . . Which Is Why They Will Win Huge in November,” Frank J. Fleming presents an imaginary dialogue that perfectly captures the Democrats’ approach:

Americans: “So, the economy is pretty bad and there’s high employment [sic]. You think you can do something about that?”
Democrats and Obama: “We can spend a trillion dollars we don’t have on pork and stuff.”
Americans: “No . . . that’s not what we want. We’d really like you not to do that.”
Democrats: “You’re stupid. We’re doing it anyway.”
Americans: “That’s not going to help us get jobs!”
Democrats: “Sure it will; millions of them … though they may be invisible. You’ll have to trust us they exist. And guess what else we’ll do: We’ll create a giant new government program to take over health care.”
Americans: “That has nothing to do with jobs!”
Democrats: “We don’t care about that anymore. We really want a giant new health care program. We’re sure you’ll love it.”
Americans: “Don’t pass that bill. You hear me? Absolutely do not pass that bill.”
Democrats: “Believe me; you’ll love it. It has … well, I don’t know what exactly is in the bill, but we’re sure it’s great.”
Americans: “Listen to me: DO. NOT. PASS. THAT. BILL.”
Democrats: “You’re not the boss of me! We’re doing it anyway!”

As Fleming notes, “The Democrats soocked. But not just plain old, usual politician soocked. . . . It’s Godzilla-smashing-through-a-city level of soock–but a really patronizing Godzilla who says you’re just too stupid and hateful to see all the buildings he’s saved or created as he smashes everything apart.”

Harry Callahan

October 22nd, 2010
10:56 am

…and LOL at AmVet. I’d argue that the rubes and loyalists are the ones who really think Barack, Pelosi, and/or Reid have any intention of ever reigning in government spending, given their record over the last four years, but it makes him sleep better at night to believe he has loving, caring, and compassionate government angels to protect hime from the eveil corporate boogieman crouching in the closet.

Southern Comfort

October 22nd, 2010
10:56 am

Ya I agree that the rich should pay more. If only we had that PERFECT candidate…..

I’m not saying the rich should pay more. I’m saying that none of the tax cuts should be extended. That’s what they should be fighting for if they are serious about no more borrowing or spending compromises.

Jefferson

October 22nd, 2010
10:56 am

I think we are used to “NO” by now. Nothing new, prepare for the tax increase on the high income groups.

getalife

October 22nd, 2010
10:56 am

Come on cons and libs.

w punked the cons.

Obama punked the libs.

Now the cons think the gop will not punk them again.

Look up the definition of insanity gullible Americans.

Geez.

jt

October 22nd, 2010
10:56 am

“In fact, a good portion of the GOP seems downright giddy at the prospect of hearing the popping of rivets, the shearing of metal, the inrush of water and the cries of those trapped below deck.”

I’m no GOPer, but I still relish that prospect.

Let the leviathon die.
Let Liberty ring.

TaxPayer

October 22nd, 2010
10:57 am

Anyway, the message appears to be that if the Republicans seize power again, they will return our healthcare system to the way it was, for starters. Go for it. Then, they’re going to do something about our debt and borrowing. Riiiiiight. What would that be. Let me guess. They’ll recommend a tax cut to fix it. Pence, like all the rest of his “just say no” crowd have gone well beyond stoopid. That pack of losers is just plain insane.

Union

October 22nd, 2010
11:01 am

thomas

October 22nd, 2010
11:01 am

getalife

October 22nd, 2010
10:56 am

So what is the solution if they both say one thing and do another.

Should we not continue to vote out those who spend like drunken sailors and pay little to no attention to the wants, and desires of the American voting public?

Seems to me if we keep voting out liars we may eventually get some honest people who will try to do what is best for the country, not what is best for them as an individual or what follows their ideology?

retired early

October 22nd, 2010
11:01 am

Oh hell, Callahan is back. This blog is doomed once again to nonsense.

Jefferson

October 22nd, 2010
11:02 am

Nothing wrong with spending, just have to balance the revenue side.

md

October 22nd, 2010
11:02 am

Tax cuts vs stimulus…………..tax cuts go into the pockets of everybody, stimulus goes into the pockets of the chosen……….think about it.

Maybe we need to modify the tax cuts vs yanking that money away from everybody in the middle of a recession……..

Who Cares?

October 22nd, 2010
11:03 am

@ Halftrack at10:54 am, please don’t confuse them with facts. Life in the fantasy world is much more enjoyable.

TaxPayer

October 22nd, 2010
11:03 am

I decided to Google “Tax Cuts” and I ended up going through this strange gyration of setting up shop in Ireland to do business in the Netherlands before sending funds to the Caymans where I then transfer them back to Washington state. It’s the weirdest thing I ever did see. There must be some sort of virus or worm or something at work.

Lil' Barry Bailout

October 22nd, 2010
11:03 am

Punkd?
—————–

After news of Google tax dodges, Obama raises money with Google execs

On the day it was reported that Google uses income shifting techniques known by such arcane names as the “Double Irish” and the “Dutch Sandwich” to avoid paying taxes on its foreign profits, President Obama attended an intimate, high-dollar fundraiser at the Palo Alto, California home of a top Google executive.

Lil' Barry Bailout

October 22nd, 2010
11:04 am

thomas, amen. Vote them out until they do what they’re told.

kitty

October 22nd, 2010
11:05 am

Why do I suspect all we will really see from the GOP will be more nonsense on abortion and gay marriage that does nothing as well as increasing deficits…I for one have had enough of the nonsense of the GOP. They didn’t do anything when they had control but spend spend spend so why should I believe anything they say now?

Mick

October 22nd, 2010
11:06 am

I guess if obstruction is going to become a valid tactic, then maybe the repubs shouldn’t whine if the dems become the minority. Filibuster every repub bill, two can play it that way, since compromise is unnacceptable in today’s politics.

getalife

October 22nd, 2010
11:06 am

The only question I ask the fed pols is when and how would you fix our corrupt system?

All Americans should be asking this question.

Atlas Shrugging

October 22nd, 2010
11:07 am

JohnnyReb

October 22nd, 2010
11:07 am

Southern Comfort@10:49 – the Progressives scored bonus points with your buy-in to their lies about tax cuts and increases.

There can only be increases, regardless of everyone getting an increase or only the selected few. The current tax rates will go up or stay the same; therefore no tax decrease, only the possibility of an increase.

The BS line about paying for tax cuts for the wealthy, is just that BS. Obama and his supporters have framed that part of the conversation like it will cost the government, therefore the people, billions if taxes on the wealthy are not increased. No, if the Bush tax cuts are extended for all the situation would be status quo.

What has happened is, Obama has a budget, which the Democratically controlled Congress failed to address for political reasons, which is based on expiration of the Bush tax cuts. Without the increase on the wealthy, his budget will have a bigger deficit.

Jefferson

October 22nd, 2010
11:08 am

The GOP is still and will be a bunch of outdated, petty, and uncreditable geezers with little power but will continue to put sticks in the spokes and woo the weak minded.

Doggone/GA

October 22nd, 2010
11:09 am

” Filibuster every repub bill”

They can’t filibuster a bill in the House. Only in the Senate.

Nice Guy

October 22nd, 2010
11:11 am

AmVet – “When the “free-market”, profiteers decided they were going to act completely irresponsibly.”

Examples please?

Big D

October 22nd, 2010
11:13 am

Jay,
Just what the hell do you think this idiot congress and president have been doing that has brought on this backlash and economic nightmare.
NO COMPRIMISE….
WAKE UP YOU HYPOCRITES…

Doggone/GA

October 22nd, 2010
11:14 am

To be honest, I can’t see that anything will change if the R’s take the House in Nov. They’re already successfully holding up bills in the Senate. How is anything going to be different just because they might be able to hold them up in the House as well?

Left wing management

October 22nd, 2010
11:15 am

We need the likes of horror director John Carpenter to do justice to the brutal splitting open of the Republican ‘body’, with writhing bloody tentacles wriggling in every direction as a blood-dripping maw opens up and devours the other half that split off. When the devouring is complete – and that should happen some time shortly after the mid-term elections, that will be the conclusion of the transition and will mark the end of the Republican party as we knew it once and for all. At this point, the stage will be set for an ideological showdown of 20th C proportions. I don’t know if we’ll see repeats of fascists and communists going after each other with chains and knives as happened in the streets of Munich and Berlin in the 20s and 30s, but I fear this time the government shutdown may not end as well as its precursor in the 1990s did and once institutions start failing on this level, all bets are off.

JohnnyReb

October 22nd, 2010
11:15 am

Pence is stating exactly what Conservatives want. Make no mistake about it; he is not exaggerating; he is not delusional. And, we are sincere about it. He is absolutely correct on too much compromise produced our current situation.

Progressives are leading the country to ruin with Obama at the helm. If Pence’s statements are in fact a GOP similar to the Titanic, let it be known one ship is not big enough, it will take an armada to hold all who are on-board, i.e., the Nov 2 outcome. If we sink, the Left can have their way, God Forbid.

Mick

October 22nd, 2010
11:16 am

**They can’t filibuster a bill in the House. Only in the Senate**

No kidding.

AmVet

October 22nd, 2010
11:16 am

md, your point though valid is not mine.

OF COURSE the Republican-lites are complicit in the corporate destruction of capitalism and the wholesale sell out of we the people.

That is why I refer to the failed duopoly as the Tweedledee and Tweedledum Parties.

Both are abysmal failures and virtually nothing but incumbency protection rackets.

My point is to disabuse these myopic lamebrains who honestly believe (Because they sure as hell are not thinking) that in a few days all will be better, because the Tweedledum Party regains seats in the US Congress.

And they’ll use that lack of lucidity to send right back to Washington men like Tom Price.

Almost to a man, these non-representatives in Washington DC (and elsewhere) lack the moral courage to NOT be bribed by special interests and corporate paymasters..

They are the problem. As are the people who enable them and allow them to hijack the most noble experiment in the history of mankind…

getalife

October 22nd, 2010
11:17 am

“So what is the solution if they both say one thing and do another.”

That is the question to ask the politicians.

thomas

October 22nd, 2010
11:17 am

Doggone/GA

October 22nd, 2010
11:14 am

If and its a huuuge if, the Repubs take both house and senate, will you also blame president Obama for vetoing any bills and claim he is holding up new laws?

Or is he allowed to decide based on his principles?

Nice Guy

October 22nd, 2010
11:17 am

“To be honest, I can’t see that anything will change if the R’s take the House in Nov. They’re already successfully holding up bills in the Senate. How is anything going to be different just because they might be able to hold them up in the House as well?”

Correct. And until the Left-nuts understand that compromise must exist, nothing will get done. It’s time for Obama and the Left-nuts to end their victory lap…the victory lap that has saddled our country with entitlements, and therefore debt.

Southern Comfort

October 22nd, 2010
11:17 am

JReb

I said nothing about getting a new cut. IF Bush’s cuts are extended, you’re talking about adding $3 Trillion plus to the deficit over 10 years or so. I’m all for letting tax rates go back to where they were before the cuts. If a 3% increase causes someone to go broke, they were living beyond their means before that increase. At some point, the American public has to quit living in fantasy land. If the deficit hawks want to impress me with lower taxes, then show some lower spending first. If spending is not brought under control, it doesn’t matter what the tax rate is. We’re still screwed.

Had you read my 10:56, you would have saw my stance on extending the cuts.

Mick

October 22nd, 2010
11:18 am

**Progressives are leading the country to ruin with Obama at the helm.**

Sorry, but the previous president already accomplished that.

Big D

October 22nd, 2010
11:18 am

Ragnar…You are just to good…really.

md

October 22nd, 2010
11:19 am

“but I fear this time the government shutdown may not end as well as its precursor in the 1990s did and once institutions start failing on this level, all bets are off.”

And I beg to differ – seems crisis management is when most gets done, and with compromise.

Look at 11th hour union/management discussions as an example………both backs to the wall has more of an impact vs one backed into a corner…………

thomas

October 22nd, 2010
11:19 am

getalife

October 22nd, 2010
11:17 am

no need to ask the politicians! Continue to vote out those we do not favor and quit voting based on the (R) or (D) next to the name.

And both parties have there groups that no matter what will vote dem or rep….

Until that changes why would the politicians change anything, they have the best job with the least amount of accountability that can be had in this great land.

Mick

October 22nd, 2010
11:20 am

sc @ 11:17

I second that assessment.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 22nd, 2010
11:21 am

Well, I say no compromise with the librul Democrats. Just don’t pass a budget and let the guvmint shut down. They can’t write welfare and SS checks if they don’t have no money.

Just keep your hands off of my Medicare.

Have a good day everybody.

AmVet

October 22nd, 2010
11:22 am

Guy @11:11, don’t worry.

If you want to play completely dumb, I will not try to disabuse you of doing so.

Lets just say that rather than side with the deniers, I agree with an acknowledged expert – the Chairman of the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank who called that uncomfortable little implosion of September 2008, “A sustained orgy of greed and reckless behavior.”

And to your point, I have done so repeatedly. Countless examples of MASSIVE corporate fraud and numerous other crimes. But if you are like Bill Callahan, I could post 20 examples right now and you would deny and disregard every one of them out of hand…

thomas

October 22nd, 2010
11:22 am

Southern Comfort

October 22nd, 2010
11:17 am

Are you calling for the end of the Child Tax credit as well?

JohnnyReb

October 22nd, 2010
11:23 am

Southern Comfort@11:17 – my apologies, with a few caveats. I agree taxes must go up and spending down if we are to have any chance of recovering. However, as to the Bush tax cuts, I believe the only thing that should go up is personal income taxes, and that should be dealayed a couple of years to give the recovery a better chance.

extremerightwing

October 22nd, 2010
11:23 am

And what is wrong with shutting down the government? At least then they couldn’t screw up the country anymore.

Big D

October 22nd, 2010
11:24 am

Jay…
In the real world…we hit the iceberg when we elected OBAMA and forgot to shut the water proof doors when we let the libs take over congress.
We are NOW trying to “purge” the ship and save it from sinking.
This is a much more real.

TaxPayer

October 22nd, 2010
11:25 am

I just hope that Obama has finally gotten the message from the Republicans that they will never be willing to work with him or the Democrats for the good of the people because we really need to move on and quit trying to accomodate the party of no. They are clearly not worth the time or effort.

getalife

October 22nd, 2010
11:26 am

thomas,

It’s the system so you can vote them all out but the new ones will still be in a corrupt system.

md

October 22nd, 2010
11:26 am

Am,

And I think we all know nothing will change short of revolution, so the remaining solution is to control the 2 headed beast as best as possible. Which is basically what happens during the political cycle.

As long as 1/3 of the country remains as swing voters, the cycle will continue. If the balance is tilted in either direction…….then we are really screwed.

Mick

October 22nd, 2010
11:28 am

big d

Correction – obama is trying to save the ship from going under from the self inflicted damage incurred during the previous reign of error.

FSUInDC

October 22nd, 2010
11:29 am

You libbies are so silly..lol…..Cleaning house and taking out the trash, Nov 3rd 2010

Doggone/GA

October 22nd, 2010
11:30 am

“If and its a huuuge if, the Repubs take both house and senate, will you also blame president Obama for vetoing any bills and claim he is holding up new laws?”

Depends on the reason for his veto. If the bills do fit the agenda he was elected on, no I would not. If they do, and it appears he is only vetoing them because of pique…then yes, I would.

Bosch

October 22nd, 2010
11:30 am

““no compromise that allows more borrowing, more spending, more deficits and more debt ”

So I guess they are backing down on the tax cuts because they can’t be paid for and will certainly add to the deficit.

Left wing management

October 22nd, 2010
11:31 am

Am I the only one who’s enjoying the events unfolding in France? I even heard that the spark may be jumping the channel to the UK.

Why, who knows, maybe next year when the US government shuts down we’ll get to see some of it here. I only have one request; all of these disturbances can have maximum effect if we only remember to put up lots of visible banners reading: “brought to you by reckless financiers near you!!”

Nice Guy

October 22nd, 2010
11:31 am

AmVet – “Chairman of the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank who called that uncomfortable little implosion of September 2008, “A sustained orgy of greed and reckless behavior.”

You’re always so quick with the insults…..

Anyway, I was asking for expamples that pertain to the Healthcare industry, because that’s what your post was about, right?

Union

October 22nd, 2010
11:32 am

well.. bookman has showed us quite a bit.. criticizing repugs yet showing aps as a shining example of leadership.. lol

JohnnyReb

October 22nd, 2010
11:32 am

Here’s an example of Democratic solutions – HR-4646 introduced by US Rep Peter DeFazio D-Oregon and US Senator Tom Harkin D-Iowa is now in committee. The bill would place a One Percent transaction tax on all transactions at any financial institution i. e. Banks, Credit Unions, etc.. Any deposit you make, any transfer, any payment would be taxed 1%. If your pay check, social Security check, or whatever is direct deposit – 1% tax charged. Now, that’s real change for you!

BTW – the Healthcare Bill places a tax on realestate sales. That’s right, sell your house and the government will take a cut of the transaction. Don’t believe me? Google it.

Matti

October 22nd, 2010
11:33 am

In the real world…we hit the iceberg when we elected OBAMA

Because everything was going GREAT up until then! There WERE NO icebergs! There was no deficit, no bleeding of jobs overseas, no problem with the free-market financial sector… (Heck, the wars weren’t even IN the budget, so that’s how you fix that part of the deficit!) Why, it was all so bright, we had to wear shades! :roll:

md

October 22nd, 2010
11:35 am

“Am I the only one who’s enjoying the events unfolding in France?”

Just goes to show that leaving above ones means isn’t restricted to households………

straitroad

October 22nd, 2010
11:35 am

Jay,

I currently pay for Medicare that I don’t use. I pay for Medicaid that I don’t use. I pay for Social Security that I’ll probably never receive. I pay for food stamps that I don’t use. I could go on and on. I sure could use all of this money to help support my family, give to my church and to people that I know really need it, or use to patronize local business. Given this, why would the shut down of government be such a bad thing?

Bosch

October 22nd, 2010
11:36 am

Matti,

We need to send your 11:33 post to the wingnuts in bold letters until they understand it. I guess they think they can say over and over that its all Obama’s fault and somehow it will magically come true and everyone will forget the past 30 years.

jewcowboy

October 22nd, 2010
11:36 am

“The last Republican Congress didn’t suffer from too little compromise, it suffered too much”

Yes..because what the American people are tired of is compromise. There has been entirely too much compromise recently. The American people want to see their Congress even more dysfunctional and partisan; a place where absolutely nothing gets done. :roll:

What an enormous ass hat this guy is.

Bosch

October 22nd, 2010
11:36 am

straitroad,

It’s not all about you.

Peadawg

October 22nd, 2010
11:37 am

“If and its a huuuge if, the Repubs take both house and senate, will you also blame president Obama for vetoing any bills and claim he is holding up new laws?

Or is he allowed to decide based on his principles?”

If he starts vetoing every bill by the Republicans, he’ll be the President of NO…just like and others have accused the GOP of doing.

Pinche Huevos

October 22nd, 2010
11:38 am

Hey, lets blame it on the mexicans, or the homeless welfare recepients that’s a proven GOP strategy..

Atlas Shrugging

October 22nd, 2010
11:38 am

Shutting down government is the best possible solution …

“Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other.”
–Oscar Ameringer

thomas

October 22nd, 2010
11:39 am

getalife

October 22nd, 2010
11:26 am

Then we vote them out! I can assure you that if you forced some of these politicians to be accountable and they had to go get an actual JOB they would slowly but surely change…

There is a reason most of them got into politics, and that is because they do not want to or are incapable of doing a real job.

What would be your solution to fix the system? Or is it more fun to complain about it?

AmVet

October 22nd, 2010
11:39 am

md, revolution is an interesting word.

–noun
1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.
2. Sociology . a radical and pervasive change in society and the social structure, esp. one made suddenly and often accompanied by violence. Compare social evolution.
3. a sudden, complete or marked change in something: the present revolution in church architecture.

Most here pay lip service to their favorite pet peeves and villains. They bluster about change, but it is transparent and insincere. They have done very little if any reading and research. They allow talking heads to do their thinking for them.

And they love the failed status quo and advocate for MORE of it. Either the Republican version. Or the Democratic version.

Because they lack courage and common sense to do otherwise. And sadly most are completely self-obsessed. Even their children and grandchildren don’t much matter any more.

They are terrified at the thought of worthwhile sacrifice and are die-hard adherents of the failed philosophy of “The evil you know…”

I am not. And that is why I use words like sovereignty and plutocracy and valor and noble experiments. And why I advocate for a competitive democracy. And systemic, fundamental improvements.

I refuse to join these minutiae-men (NOT to be confused with the early patriots at Concord.) who are voluntarily clueless as to what is either going on, or have an inkling of how to change it. They are very content to try and tweak a few things here and there – in an utterly unworkable and failed system – rather than take the risks to get the rewards. They play it safe and they pretty much disgust me.

And to me, they are the very antithesis to the men who “…mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”

Nice Guy

October 22nd, 2010
11:41 am

Bosch – “We need to send your 11:33 post to the wingnuts in bold letters until they understand it.”

All the Left-nuts forget that Obama was supposed to come in a Save us all, that’s what he told us over and over again. Problem is, he’s done the opposite. So stop acting like people have forgotten this or that. People are fed up with Obama and his far left agenda.

$1,000,000,000,000 on IRAQ

October 22nd, 2010
11:41 am

What about the trillion we spent on Bush’s “holy war”? I just don’t want another Republican wasting our tax money building up the economy of rogue nations. I’d rather have the money spent on us for a change. Also, I can’t see supporting an economic strategy that gives tax breaks to healthcare companies and big oil when we pay $1,000 a month for insurance and $5 a gallon for gas everytime it rains hard in the gulf.

Bosch

October 22nd, 2010
11:41 am

“What would be your solution to fix the system? Or is it more fun to complain about it?”

Says thomas, whose entire post @ 11:39 was complaining about politicians with offering no solution except to vote them out. Nice solution there thomas — let’s do that. Now, how do I vote in all the Congressional Districts in the country and all the Senate races?

thomas

October 22nd, 2010
11:42 am

Doggone/GA

October 22nd, 2010
11:30 am

were the republican members of congress not voting “no” based on the agenda and principles they set forth to get themselves elected? Why would you hold the two to different standards?

Either it is OK for all to do or it is not OK for any to do. isn’t that fair?

Left wing management

October 22nd, 2010
11:42 am

md 11:19: ‘And I beg to differ – seems crisis management is when most gets done, and with compromise.”

Well, of course only time will tell. And you’re right. Things can go either way. But the fact is that sometimes it takes a threat of – and sometimes even a descent into – outright political violence for the stakes of conflict to become sufficiently clear. One thing is for sure, things are definitely shaping up for showdowns and unrest like we haven’t seen since the late 60s and early 70s. And that’s why I think it’s important to take the events going on in France seriously – and not just dismiss them as the ’silly French’, etc. With any luck, we’ll get a dose of that notorious French ‘difficulty’ here in the states – on the Left side of course, to counter the Tea Party-ites.

jewcowboy

October 22nd, 2010
11:42 am

straitroad,

“give to my church”

Perhaps to be fair…your church should rescind it’s tax exempt status and start paying taxers like other companies.