Barnes’ use of rape images exploitive

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It’s October, and as the leaves begin to turn, the nights start to cool, and Halloween and November draw closer, the political ads become more and more nightmarish.

For the last week or so, for example, Democrat Roy Barnes has been banging on his Republican opponent, Nathan Deal, about a bill that Deal sponsored in the state Senate almost 20 years ago.

According to Barnes, the bill would have seriously weakened the rape shield law in Georgia that protects victims from being hauled into the witness stand and forced to recount their sexual histories. According to Deal, the bill would have brought Georgia law into line with the federal government’s tough rape shield law and strengthened it against legal challenge.

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So who’s right? Well, back in 1991, opposition to Deal’s proposed change in state law snowballed so quickly, particularly among women’s groups, that nobody — including Deal — was willing to stand in front of it and try to stop it. He was forced to rewrite the legislation.

That doesn’t mean he was wrong as a question of law, or that he really was trying to undercut protection for rape victims, as Barnes now alleges. I was covering the state Legislature pretty intensely back then, and my admittedly vague recollection is that knowledgeable, well-intentioned lawyers were saying at the time that the changes proposed by Deal would have been fine. But they were saying it quietly, off the record, because public opinion had coalesced so powerfully on the other side and nobody wanted to get tagged as being pro-rapist. That happens sometimes; good legislation gets a bad rep, and everyone decides that it’s not worth the political capital needed to rescue it.

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Fast forward almost two decades, to a hard-fought gubernatorial campaign in which the women’s vote might prove decisive. Under the circumstances, it was probably inevitable that Barnes would resurrect the issue. Again, I think Deal is probably right, now as he was back then, but Barnes at the very least has what you might call “a lawyer’s case,” with enough facts and statements on his side to put forth a plausible argument. In politics, that’s more than enough.

But a campaign can choose to make its case on such an issue responsibly, or irresponsibly. As the images here demonstrate, the Barnes campaign has taken the second course, the irresponsible course. When I saw them last night popping up on my computer, I was honestly offended and began taking them as screen grabs.

Good ads are supposed to make an impact, and this one surely does. But it does so by sensationalizing rape and by implicating Deal as — at the very least — a co-conspirator in sexual assault. It provokes revulsion and horror, and it attempts to pin that revulsion and horror on a candidate for public office. Regardless of the merits of the legal debate that inspired it, the ad is grossly unfair. It exploits rape and its victims for political gain.

I’ve documented my problems with Deal’s candidacy, and won’t reiterate them here. It’s also true that Barnes himself has been the target of some brutal advertising, most notably the King Rat ads of eight years ago, which he clearly has neither forgotten nor forgiven.

But there ought to be some places you won’t go, some things you won’t do. This was one of them, and I very much hope there aren’t more to come, from either side.

223 comments Add your comment

carlosgvv

October 21st, 2010
8:51 am

I just returned from a vacation in Florida. If you think Georgia’s political Ads. are vile, I can assure you they are tame compared to the ones in Fla. This kind
k of political advertising is, unfortunately, here to stay. It seems the quality of people running for office and the quality of political Ads. go hand in hand.

jt

October 21st, 2010
8:52 am

“knowledgable, well-intentioned lawy”

No such animal. Also spelt wrong.

Anyhow, this sums up Barne’s campaign effort. The progressive movement too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMpXAknykeg

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 21st, 2010
8:55 am

Well, like I already said, vote for Deal. He may be a crook, but he’s our crook. And he’s got a R after his name too.

Have a good day everybody.

Mid-South Philosopher

October 21st, 2010
8:56 am

“The lesser of two evils…is still evil!”
Tell “King Roy and “Shady” Deal…there is another option!

Jay

October 21st, 2010
9:02 am

what’s a “lawy,” jt?

And mid-South, there is no other option. John Monds is as qualified to be governor as I am to bat cleanup for the Boston Red Sox. Neither of us would stand a chance against major league pitching.

jt

October 21st, 2010
9:05 am

The same thing as a knowledgable Jay.

Let us tighten up Sir.

roybama barnes

October 21st, 2010
9:07 am

Same old dog same old tricks. Roy Barnes will pimp out anything as long as it meets his objective. He coddled Malachi York, the convicted pedophile who raped and molested over 1,000 women and children as young as a baby. If you think I’m full of it, he even had a photograph taken with cult members IN THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE 2 months before the compound was raided! http://bibbrepublicanparty.com.

As Putnam County Sheriff Sills said back in 2003, “Barnes was a political whore.” He still is.

Bosch

October 21st, 2010
9:09 am

Well said Jay, and I think the ads portraying Barnes as a child killer are pretty over the line too — Saxby used the same tactics against Jim Martin.

SOUTHERN ATL

October 21st, 2010
9:12 am

Maybe all of the ads should be canned. They are running on overkill. Whenever I seen any political ads while I am watching television I automatically press the MUTE button!

Southern Comfort

October 21st, 2010
9:13 am

And mid-South, there is no other option. John Monds is as qualified to be governor as I am to bat cleanup for the Boston Red Sox. Neither of us would stand a chance against major league pitching.

:lol:

For the record, I think you’d do ok against Wakefied. The new guy that’s pitching 105…. That’s an entirely different matter.

As far as the political ads, as long as the people keep eating them up, you will keep seeing them produced. Until the electorate gains a moral compass, I wouldn’t expect the politicians to gain one either.

Del

October 21st, 2010
9:13 am

Once again, Jay’s fair and balanced. I still don’t like either one of those two guy’s.

ROBOCOP

October 21st, 2010
9:15 am

Red Neck Convert

It’s “citizens” like you who create the corrupt political environment to permit crooks like Deal to prosper. “Let’s put a crook in office because he’s a Republican.” Brilliant!

What will be your briliant response if after he’s in the Governor’s office and more stuff about his corrupt nature starts to surface? Or how will you respond if he and Chris Riley, his current campaign manager and former-congressional chief-of-staff, are indicted for steering over $245,000 in federal tax dollars to Riley’s wife’s travel agency?

Yeah, you’re brilliant.

@@

October 21st, 2010
9:18 am

So who’s right? Well, back in 1991, opposition to Deal’s proposed change in state law snowballed so quickly, particularly among women’s groups, that nobody — including Deal — was willing to stand in front of it and try to stop it. He was forced to rewrite the legislation.

If it’s an ad attacking their opponent, my ears do not hear. If it’s an ad proclaiming what they intend to do, I’ll listen with a healthy degree of skepticism.

What I find most interesting is that women’s organizations promoted the sexual revolution…freeing up women to engage in sex with wanton abandon. Now they don’t want the women to recount their escapades?

Why’s that? Shouldn’t they be eager to share…proud, in fact? I dare say that “enlightened” jurists wouldn’t hold it against ‘em.

Normal

October 21st, 2010
9:19 am

‘morning, y’all…
Through out all of this I’m reminded of the old saying that went something like this, “I always try to vote for the best man, the trouble is, he is never running”.

Bubba Bob

October 21st, 2010
9:19 am

Makes me more and more glad that I don’t have TV.

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
9:19 am

ROBOCOP – Redneck Convert is our resident satirist

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
9:20 am

“If it’s an ad attacking their opponent, my ears do not hear. If it’s an ad proclaiming what they intend to do, I’ll listen with a healthy degree of skepticism.”

No argument there. I don’t want to hear why I should not vote for the other guy. I want to know why “you” think I should vote FOR “you”

Call it like it is

October 21st, 2010
9:21 am

Its just sad that our state was not able put somebody in that was worthy to be governor. Are the good people just not running, or would the voters just be that dumb. I have voted in every election that I could and this will be the first one that I just don’t know why I am voting in the first place. Both these guys are jerks and Georgia deserves better. We need to have another debate where some poor soul from the audience stands up admits he is honest, will do his best and consult with the brightest to bring Ga in the 21st century, I would gladly write his name in the box.

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
9:22 am

“Now they don’t want the women to recount their escapades?”

RAPE is not an “escapade” and the woman’s prior sexual history is not relevent to the violence done to her.

Randalph

October 21st, 2010
9:24 am

Doggone, I thought he was the resident idiot…

Randalph

October 21st, 2010
9:24 am

didn’t Hillary say “it takes a village idiot?”

Scout

October 21st, 2010
9:25 am

Jay:

Sometimes (I repeat sometimes) I wish we had laws like Great Britain where I think cases like this would still come under slander laws even though public figures are involved. Both sides do it and it’s pretty dispicable.

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
9:26 am

” I thought he was the resident idiot”

Well, I have a tin ear for satire, so I never read his stuff anyway

jt

October 21st, 2010
9:27 am

You partisan snipes……………….Kneel before the truth and inherent rightness of Aqua-Monds————-

“Parents should have more choices and responsibility in making educational decisions for their children.

My administration will emphasize all forms of education. I will encourage more charter schools and a tax credit worth up to $4,000 to parents who choose to educate their children in a private school or at home.

Although it is not a traditional voucher or scholarship system, a tax credit would allow parents more schooling options while lowering the financial burden on taxpayers. According to the Georgia Public Policy Foundation, similar tax credit scholarships have been shown not to decrease the amount of spending per student that goes to public schools.

I will also seek to return control of education to local communities and fight against unfunded federal mandates like No Child Left Behind.”

Bosch

October 21st, 2010
9:28 am

SoCo,

“as long as the people keep eating them up, you will keep seeing them produced”

I’m not sure that people are eating them up anymore — most people I know hate them — on both sides.

The problem is that I think most people aren’t smart enough to really listen to what the ads say. Take a new ad from Deal against Barnes (some people were referencing it yesterday) –

It claims that Barnes is a trial lawyer who sues businesses. Well, so? What were the circumstances of the suit?

His firm made $450 million in one case — well so? If they won that much money, hell, the person/business they sued must have done something pretty rotten.

He tries cases in front of judges he appointed. Well so? He was the Governor — that is kind of a function of his office.

He tried 37 cases in front of judges he appointed — out of how many? And again, so?

I would say many people in this state aren’t equipped to listen to an ad like that and ask those questions, until then, the negative ads will work.

jt

October 21st, 2010
9:30 am

You partisan snipes……………….Kneel before the truth and inherent rightness of Aqua-Monds——

“An item of debate in the legislature for the past three sessions has been whether or not to allow counties and communities, through local referendum, the ability to sell alcohol on Sunday.

The idea has seen widespread support among my fellow Georgians, however, the legislature has failed to pass necessary legislation to allow Sunday sales. Many legislators scoffed at the idea while saying there were bigger issues that the General Assembly had to handle.

A basic issue of personal liberty and free markets such as this shouldn’t be the source of so much debate. As your Governor, I will sign legislation allowing counties and communities the ability to determine their own path on this issue, free from interference from the state.”

Bosch

October 21st, 2010
9:31 am

“What I find most interesting is that women’s organizations promoted the sexual revolution…freeing up women to engage in sex with wanton abandon. Now they don’t want the women to recount their escapades?”

I think @@ secretly hates women — equating rape with sexual escapades. Unbelievable.

larry

October 21st, 2010
9:31 am

From the AJC, in 1991…………………

At issue was Mr. Deal’s 164-page rewrite of the rules governing what evidence can be used in criminal and civil trials.

Beginning on Page 21, the bill declared that defense attorneys could question a rape victim about her sexual background, if the prosecutor introduced evidence that the woman had become pregnant or caught a disease because of the alleged attack, that she was injured, or that doctors found semen.

That, critics said, meant sexual history could be brought up if prosecutors presented any physical evidence.
Originally, prosecutors were the first to voice objections, working quietly with lawmakers to persuade them not to change the law.

Also,from the article in Feb.1991,

Mr. Deal, a defense lawyer, said he had proposed the revisions because the Georgia statute is vulnerable to a constitutional challenge. “The consensus is, that is a risk they are willing to take, ” he said on the floor.

Has the constitutional challenge materialized ?

md

October 21st, 2010
9:32 am

Playing off the last thread, is it time yet for an amendment giving all candidates equal air time on PBS with negative adds forbidden??

Don’t look for it to change anytime soon – especially in the hyper-partisan climate of today’s society.

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
9:33 am

“He tried 37 cases in front of judges he appointed — out of how many? And again, so?”

And I’m not even sure THAT is accurate. I did a quick search the other day, but all I could find was that his law FIRM pleaded cases 37 times…not he, himself.

Southern Comfort

October 21st, 2010
9:33 am

My administration will emphasize all forms of education. I will encourage more charter schools and a tax credit worth up to $4,000 to parents who choose to educate their children in a private school or at home.

Isn’t that creating a form of government dependence. If parents CHOOSE to educate their children in a private school, then they CHOOSE to pay for it too.

Bosch

You have a point there. Eat them up might not be the best description, but until the voters start calling the candidates on the carpet over the content of those ads, they will not stop.

@@

October 21st, 2010
9:33 am

Doggone:

RAPE is not an “escapade” and the woman’s prior sexual history is not relevent to the violence done to her.

Agreed, I just find it odd.

The sexual revolution, in no way, helped to free women. To the contrary…it brought about more unwanted pregnancies…more unnecessary abortions. In the instances where the child is born to a single mother, she more often than not, lives at the poverty level.

It was like a gift to men…all the sex they want with none of the responsibility.

Men haven’t changed.

Sorry fellas…I luv ‘ya, but “my power” was protected. I WON!

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
9:35 am

“The sexual revolution, in no way, helped to free women.”

Again, this has nothing to do with the issue of rape.

Bosch

October 21st, 2010
9:35 am

“tax credit worth up to $4,000 to parents who choose to educate their children in a private school or at home.”

Yeah SoCo, isn’t that like a government handout? Interference in a private business? Yeah, the wingnuts hate welfare until its something they want.

@@

October 21st, 2010
9:36 am

Bosch:

I don’t hate women. I simply find them lacking common sense. Not all…just most.

Southern Comfort

October 21st, 2010
9:36 am

Bosch

It’s not welfare then because welfare is only for POOR people.

larry

October 21st, 2010
9:37 am

And I’m not even sure THAT is accurate. I did a quick search the other day, but all I could find was that his law FIRM pleaded cases 37 times…not he, himself.

How many of those 37 cases did his law firm win ?

jt

October 21st, 2010
9:37 am

You partisan snipes……………….Kneel before the truth and inherent rightness of Aqua-Monds——

While there is no doubt that Georgia needs to allow more nuclear energy production, there is a right way and a wrong way to promote it. The Georgia Nuclear Energy Financing Act, which was passed in the 2009 session of the legislature, allows Georgia Power to begin recovering costs long before the first kilowatt of power is produced. It also provides investors in a state-protected monopoly with $1 billion in advance profit. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with making money, it is wrong for the state to collude with business to guarantee a profit. My administration will seek repeal of the Georgia Nuclear Energy Financing Act.

Van Jones

October 21st, 2010
9:38 am

Today is crazy day! I agree with Jay and Ms. T. I need my smelling salts.

One Nation Under educated

October 21st, 2010
9:39 am

I don’t know, Jay. Considering what Little Nero with a Cowboy Hat did to us and planet Earth, a rape metaphor might be appropo

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
9:39 am

“How many of those 37 cases did his law firm win ?”

Is Google broken today?

md

October 21st, 2010
9:41 am

“RAPE is not an “escapade” and the woman’s prior sexual history is not relevent to the violence done to her.”

And I disagree – that is the whole intent of going to court – there are 2 sides to every story. When it is a “he said she said” situation, all facts become relevant.

I believe the Duke Lacrosse case bears that out…………..

Bosch

October 21st, 2010
9:42 am

@@,

Maybe “hate” is a strong word, but it certainly seems you think women are inferior to men — you use the word “girl” as a derogatory term, and considering you are in fact a woman according to you, I find it odd that you would do that over the years. I’m no psychiatrist, but I consider that a symptom of low self esteem.

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
9:43 am

“When it is a “he said she said” situation, all facts become relevant”

No, they do not. Even a prostitute can be raped.

The Spirit of Bob Marley and Samual Adams

October 21st, 2010
9:43 am

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery.

Vote Monds, mon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yXRGdZdonM

Finn McCool

October 21st, 2010
9:43 am

So we can call Republicans pro-rapists just like they call some of us pro-choice supporters pro-abortion?

Bosch

October 21st, 2010
9:44 am

Finn@ 9:43,

We don’t need to stoop to their stoopid.

Finn McCool

October 21st, 2010
9:45 am

Who will stand up for all the farm animals being raped in South Carolina? At this very minute?

jt

October 21st, 2010
9:46 am

Hey,,,,,,,,,,,,,The Spirit of Bob Marley and Samual Adams. This one is for you.

You partisan snipes……………….Kneel before the truth and inherent rightness of Aqua-Monds——

Georgia spends more than $1.2 billion on law enforcement, including $242 million in food and medical care for inmates. Of the 54,016 state prisoners in the corrections system (numbers as of FY 2008), 9,376, or 17% of the prison population, are non-violent drug offenders.

We have placed a heavy emphasis on incarceration over education and rehabilitation. We are paying a heavy price for ignoring the evidence that says the latter is more effective and cost efficient. We must make better decisions, especially in the current economic climate. Looking at this as an economic issue, we would be well served to redirect our emphasis. I agree with General Barry McCaffrey, former Director of the Office of Drug Control Policy, in that I believe we cannot arrest our way out of the drug problem.

As Governor, I will encourage the Board of Pardons and Paroles to begin reviewing the cases of these offenders and begin to integrate them back into society. I would also ask the Georgia General Assembly to do away with mandatory minimum laws for non-violent drug offenders, which have not been a successful deterrent at preventing these victimless crimes.

Bosch

October 21st, 2010
9:46 am

Wow, those “Roybama” ads are getting more intense! They turned from blue to yellow! Is that color change the same as like the terror alert?

larry

October 21st, 2010
9:47 am

Dont use Google …

It said Barnes made appearances in at least 37 cases before them and received a favorable result at least 19 times. The result is unknown in 13 cases, it said.

So 19 out of 37 ? That is what the neocons are fussing about ? That may look good in baseball but im not sure about a lawyer and their cases .

md

October 21st, 2010
9:53 am

“No, they do not. Even a prostitute can be raped.”

Yes, they can…………..doesn’t equate to “she was”…………….

Consensual sex at times turns into rape just because the female says so………

All relevant information is needed to come to an educated conclusion.

Finn McCool

October 21st, 2010
9:54 am

Does Barnes actually think he is going to change any minds at this point? The guy is unethical and a cheat. If people are STILL planning to vote for him, they aren’t going to change their minds about some questionable stand on a law some years ago.

Im starting to believe the Republicans (who always held that they were the party of principle, the party of the higher moral ground) were just putting on an act. They are really the un-pricipled party.
- bathroom toe tappers (that’s hypocrisy)
- supporting cheaters like Nathan Deal
- muslim haters (is there a term for “religion-racists” Sign reads: “This is a christian-only water fountain/drug store/community center/city block”)

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
9:57 am

“Consensual sex at times turns into rape just because the female says so”

But her PRIOR sexual history is not relevent. You could make a case that IF she had a prior history with the man she charges, THAT might be relevent…but her entire past history? No.

@@

October 21st, 2010
9:59 am

Bosch:

Maybe “hate” is a strong word, but it certainly seems you think women are inferior to men — you use the word “girl” as a derogatory term

Not as a derogatory term. Little girls are silly…like you.

Little girls are gossips. I can honestly say that I’ve never witnessed a little boy engage in gossip. Once they reach adolescence, they have a tendency to talk about the girls they’ve been with…giving their brothers a green light, I s’pose.

No lack of self-esteem here.

I suggest you google “False rape charges.” You’ll be enlightened.

Little girls can be silly…women can be devious and vindictive.

stands for decibels

October 21st, 2010
9:59 am

Playing off the last thread, is it time yet for an amendment giving all candidates equal air time on PBS with negative adds forbidden?

Until that happens, could we consider what might happen if we were to subject political ads to the kind of truth in advertising scrutiny required for, say (at minimum) pharmaceutical ads?

I mean, at some time, after all the glossy soft-porn cinematography, they need to tell you that after four hours of this candidate, you need to seek medical help. So to speak.

/drive-by

Shawny

October 21st, 2010
10:00 am

Because of free speech, there are little limits to what can be advertised. These ads show that both of them are of the lowest common denominator.
The Barnes ad with the woman saying she can’t forgive Deal doesn’t tell you anything specific, but implies that Deal is ok with rape, which is stupid and obviously wrong. Quite laughable in fact.
But it may sway a voter or 2, and what are all those $$$$ good for anyway?

jt

October 21st, 2010
10:00 am

Whoever votes for Democrats this coming election just proves that progressives are just neo-cons that wear sandles.

Or progressives that partake of the Military/Industrial complex stock dividends.

Either way, it is hypocritical.

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
10:02 am

“could we consider what might happen if we were to subject political ads to the kind of truth in advertising ”

I’ve said something similar to that. I think any publication, or broadcast organization, should be held liable for the accuracy of the ads they accept and publish or broadcast.

md

October 21st, 2010
10:03 am

New headline today:

“Clinton Lost Nuclear Codes”

Now that would be a fun thread…………….oh Monica, have you seen……….

Mirror, Mirror

October 21st, 2010
10:04 am

I cannot say that I personally care for any of the choices presented for us to select from for governor but that does not change the fact that I must either choose one of them or write in a candidate or sit out the election. Of those choices, only one will have any impact whatsover on whom will be chosen to lead our state for the next four years and there is no realistic way around that fact. So. What to do. As you say, Jay, Monds is not really a consideration due to his lack of experience, influence, etc. The good old boys would have a field day with him. Sad but true. As for Deal, the lack of any ethical underpinning is simply too blatant to ignore so the only logical reason to choose him would be if his opponent were even more unethical. Barne’s foray into the down and dirty ad campaign certainly is pushing the line and it clearly does not speak well for his ability to forgive and forget but that still holds no candle to the shortcomings that I’ve seen to date in Mr. Deal. For me, the choice is clear. Sponge Bob does not have a chance at getting enough write in votes so Barnes is the man, by default. Now, back to reality. Congratulations to Nathan Deal for he’s a shoe-in here in North Georgia and I’m simply being pragmatic with my prediction. I know the mindset of the majority in this neck of the woods. Seventy-five percent of these compassionate conservatives voted for John McCain and, most likely, his stumping stance on fence building, DADT, abortion, etc., were his key selling points.

Nice Guy

October 21st, 2010
10:06 am

Doggone – “the woman’s prior sexual history is not relevent to the violence done to her; No, they do not. Even a prostitute can be raped.”

Yes, her past is relevant, her character is relevant. These things can’t go without explanation. You do remember the Duke University case, don’t you??

Bosch

October 21st, 2010
10:07 am

“should be held liable for the accuracy of the ads they accept and publish or broadcast.”

I wish more people would take the Kay Hagan approach and sue the sh*t out of people like Elizabeth Dole when they cross the line.

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
10:09 am

“Yes, her past is relevant, her character is relevant”

No, they aren’t. The Dukes case was decided because she LIED about them. It was resolved based on the evidence pertaining to THAT accusation. Her past history had nothing to do with it.

md

October 21st, 2010
10:09 am

“But her PRIOR sexual history is not relevent. You could make a case that IF she had a prior history with the man she charges, THAT might be relevent…but her entire past history? No.”

Again, I beg to differ.

Let’s take that “prostitute” you mentioned.

Now let’s say she frequents a certain hotel on a daily basis, and on a given night, she starts at Door #1 and does her thing, then proceeds to Door #2, then 3, then 4 and so on until she gets to door #9. Behind door #9, she is in the middle of doing her thing when suddenly she takes a disliking to the occupant and proceeds to go to the police and claims to have been raped.

The pattern IS relevant………………..

Peadawg

October 21st, 2010
10:09 am

Jay criticized Barnes! OMG! Hell froze over!!! Pigs have wings!

All I gotta say is the people are screwed in this race and neither candidate is worthy of my vote. Everyone else have fun on election day.

barking frog

October 21st, 2010
10:10 am

Welcome to politics.

Nice Guy

October 21st, 2010
10:11 am

Dog – “No, they aren’t. The Dukes case was decided because she LIED about them. It was resolved based on the evidence pertaining to THAT accusation. Her past history had nothing to do with it.”

So you’re telling me, the next time that low life slut finds herself in the middle of an investigation, the police have no right to bring her past in to the equation?

jm

October 21st, 2010
10:11 am

If I may add – It’s a bit absurd that one of Deal’s ads brings up a comment made by Barnes regarding the foster children killed a decade ago. Although Barnes stuck his own foot in his own mouth, so Barnes is ultimately to blame for that.

No doubt Barnes is willing to cross some lines. Troubling. Monds anyone? I mean, it’s only a $20 Billion budget to manage. How hard can it be?

Finn McCool

October 21st, 2010
10:11 am

Boy, it sure is funny watching Republicans struggling with Deal’s unethical behavior and history of cheating. They just can’t believe their ONLY choice is of such low moral fiber. But they will vote for him anyway. Maybe they can pray and feel better about it?

hehehehe

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
10:12 am

“The pattern IS relevant”

IF – IF – IF. She still has to provide PROOF that at that time and in THAT place the rape occured. It would be relevent to present evidence that she IS a prostitute, but to have her take the stand and have to testify to the details of past sexual encounters is NOT relevent to that time, that place, and that man.

Southern Comfort

October 21st, 2010
10:12 am

All I gotta say is the people are screwed in this race and neither candidate is worthy of my vote.

I second the motion!!!

jm

October 21st, 2010
10:13 am

Jay “John Monds is as qualified to be governor as I am to bat cleanup for the Boston Red Sox.”

Um, Deal flunks the test too. Barnes passes, but is a pretty big dirt bag. As everyone seems to have acknowledged, we have some pretty crummy choices this year. Although Barnes is the least worst.

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
10:13 am

“the police have no right to bring her past in to the equation?”

Nope, and that is not what is at issue. The issue is, and was, having her be required to take the stand in court and recount the sexual details of past encounters.

If the presecutor (not the police) think her past encounters are relevent to the case, then there is nothing stopping him from bringing forward witnesses to testify to past encounters with her. SHE does not have to provide that information for him.

Finn McCool

October 21st, 2010
10:13 am

If you can’t vote for Deal cause he is unethical so you don’t vote at all, then you are voting for Deal because you aren’t acting to keep such scum out of public office.

Good try though.

Red

October 21st, 2010
10:14 am

I’m glad to see a Democrat grow a spine and throw and elbow finally…it may not be right, but it sure is Right.

md

October 21st, 2010
10:16 am

“SHE does not have to provide that information for him.”

Pleading the 5th has always been an option……………

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
10:17 am

“If the presecutor (not the police”

Ooops! sorry! I meant the defense attorney

USinUK

October 21st, 2010
10:17 am

“Now let’s say she frequents a certain hotel on a daily basis, and on a given night, she starts at Door #1 and does her thing, then proceeds to Door #2, then 3, then 4 and so on until she gets to door #9. Behind door #9, she is in the middle of doing her thing when suddenly she takes a disliking to the occupant and proceeds to go to the police and claims to have been raped.”

ohsweetjeebus … is this the corollary to the BS “ticking timebomb” scenario???

or do you just think every victim of rape is a prostitute?

Peadawg

October 21st, 2010
10:18 am

Finn, sure Deal is more unethical than Barnes. That doesn’t say much though….. Both are scum and neither deserves to be Governor.

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
10:19 am

“Pleading the 5th has always been an option”

YOu plead the fifth when you are the defendent being accused, not when you are the accuser.

md

October 21st, 2010
10:19 am

“then you are voting for Deal because you aren’t acting to keep such scum out of public office.”

In a partisan world, it depends on one’s definition of “scum”.

USinUK

October 21st, 2010
10:20 am

doggone – 10:19 – that tells you exactly what he thinks of rape victims – that they are just as guilty …

@@

October 21st, 2010
10:20 am

Alcohol, Marijuana Use Linked to Youths’ Cognitive Problems Higher intensity of drinking is associated with poorer attention and executive function

Now while I may not stand high on a soapbox advocating opposition to legalized marijuana, neither will I encourage it while adolescents are watching. Doesn’t encourage a bright future for our youth.

Bosch

October 21st, 2010
10:21 am

@@,

“Not as a derogatory term.”

Yes, as a derogatory term, you’ve used it for me and AmVet many times in vain attempts to belittle — but as I’ve said, I like women — I think they are great.

“they have a tendency to talk about the girls they’ve been with…giving their brothers a green light, I s’pose.”

and

“Little girls can be silly…women can be devious and vindictive.”

Again, I’m no psychiatrist, but your self-righteous attitude and sexually implicit posts –the men being in a more powerful position (boasting) and women in the negative (being vindictive and devious) is usually indicative of people who overcompensate to masks their actual feelings of inadequacy and self loathing.

md

October 21st, 2010
10:22 am

“YOu plead the fifth when you are the defendent being accused, not when you are the accuser.”

The 5th is for ANY witness that prefers not to answer a question under oath. Wouldn’t look to good as the accuser, but it’s always an option.

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
10:23 am

“that tells you exactly what he thinks of rape victims – that they are just as guilty ”

Indeed it does.

stephanie

October 21st, 2010
10:26 am

I have spent the last two days trying to get this rape ad pulled off of 104.7 the fish. The Fish advertises as “safe for the whole family”, but having to explain to my 6 year old what Rape is and what a Rapist is is NOT safe for my family. Unfortunately the Fish’s hands are tied as once they agree to run political ads they have to run both sides all or none and they had already agreed to air them prior to knowing about this ad. They have asked barnes for another ad, but have been ignored up until now. I don’t know if Barnes thought he would sway conservative women with this, but it has backfired in my book!

USinUK

October 21st, 2010
10:26 am

Bosch – 9:31 – well, I don’t know about you … but it’s no secret to me that she feels that way …

md

October 21st, 2010
10:26 am

usuk,

My what a crock of bull you spout at 10:20. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for making that kind of generalization.

I was merely pointing out the fallacy that every case is the same, when they are not.

Again, shame on you………

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 21st, 2010
10:26 am

I mean, it’s only a $20 Billion budget to manage.

And steering 3 or 4 million away to take care of some debts won’t hurt nobody. It’ll be like dropping a penny out of a big stack of $100 bills. Give old Nathan a break, is what I say.

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
10:27 am

“Wouldn’t look to good as the accuser, but it’s always an option”

Why would a woman please the fifth to get out of tesifying to past encounters on the grounds that they would “incriminate” her? Incriminate her in what? Since they have no relevence to the charge against the man, what does SHE stand in danger of being incrimated for?

md

October 21st, 2010
10:27 am

And shame on you too Dog……………….how dare the two of you equate one situation to ALL……..

USinUK

October 21st, 2010
10:32 am

md – shame on ME??? shame on YOU for thinking that every rape case is like the Lacrosse team situation … shame on YOU for thinking that every rape case just boils down to he said/she said … shame on YOU for thinking that a woman’s history is open season …

why don’t you go back to the 1940s where you belong

md

October 21st, 2010
10:34 am

“md – shame on ME??? shame on YOU for thinking that every rape case is like the Lacrosse team situation … shame on YOU for thinking that every rape case just boils down to he said/she said … shame on YOU for thinking that a woman’s history is open season … ”

Care to show me and all those here where I said “every” one is equal.

Those are YOUR assumptions, not mine…………….

I’ll be waiting for your proof…………

USinUK

October 21st, 2010
10:36 am

md – And I disagree – that is the whole intent of going to court – there are 2 sides to every story.

EVERY story.

there’s your proof.

Doggone/GA

October 21st, 2010
10:36 am

“how dare the two of you equate one situation to ALL……..”

No shame here, I haven’t done that.

Mirror, Mirror

October 21st, 2010
10:37 am

md saying “shame on you”. Now there’s a good one.

md

October 21st, 2010
10:38 am

“md – And I disagree – that is the whole intent of going to court – there are 2 sides to every story.”

And can you tell me what is false about that statement??????? There are 2 sides to EVERY story……………………..

md

October 21st, 2010
10:39 am

“that tells you exactly what he thinks of rape victims – that they are just as guilty ”

“Indeed it does.”

Yes, you did……………