State legislators to challenge ‘anchor babies’
From USA Today/The Arizona Republic
“PHOENIX — Republican lawmakers in 15 states Tuesday announced a nationwide effort to change the way the 14th Amendment is interpreted and stop granting citizenship to babies born in the USA to illegal immigrants.
A national coalition called State Legislators for Legal Immigration is coordinating the effort.
Arizona state Sen. Russell Pearce said Kansas lawyer Kris Kobach, who helped draft Arizona’s tough immigration law now on appeal in the federal courts, is working with him and Republican state Rep. John Kavanagh to draft a bill that all the states could use as a model on the citizenship issue….”
Here’s the relevant portion of the 14th Amendment:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Opponents of so-called birthright citizenship hang their argument on the phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” arguing that children of illegal immigrants do not meet that test. In practice, however, federal courts have read that language very differently, ruling repeatedly that every person in this country is subject to its jurisdiction except for foreign diplomats.
An illegal immigrant, for example, could be prosecuted for a crime here because he or she is subject to U.S. jurisdiction. But foreign diplomats are subject only to the jurisdiction of their home country, not of the United States, which is how the concept of diplomatic immunity is derived.
The 14th Amendment, passed in the wake of the Civil War, very clearly makes the determination of U.S. citizenship a federal rather than a state function. The strategy of the State Legislators for Legal Immigration is apparently to try to subvert the constitutional language by passing state laws that bar issuance of birth certificates to children of parents who cannot prove citizenship.
One of the members of the group is Georgia state Rep. Tim Bearden, R-Villa Rica. In other words, coming soon to a state Legislature near you….
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Del
October 20th, 2010
7:00 pm
RW, Only if they play by the rules. Unfortunately, immigration law is evidently easy to circumvent and many immigration lawyers know how to do it. Do you think that a child who is born a U.S. citizen with illegal parents can legally be sent back with his/her birth parents to their country of origin.
RW-(the original)
October 20th, 2010
7:00 pm
Sounds like that would be the easiest bill to get through
Everybody has to add on their goodies
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 20th, 2010
7:00 pm
josef
I’d agree with you, to seal the borders first, then sort out the rest. All this was supposedly taken care of in the 80’s but it didn’t work out that way. They did the path to citizenship part, without sealing the borders.
md
October 20th, 2010
7:01 pm
“Not to worry, our Homeland Security is on it!”
Oh joy – I see an Iran Czar and a Venezuela Czar in our near future………….
FinnMcCool
October 20th, 2010
7:02 pm
I’m sure this won’t come back to bite us in the arse in..oh, say…10 years…
U.S. To Sell $60 Billion In Arms To Saudi Arabia
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130702747
Got to keep the military-industrial complex supplied with options down the road, ya know?
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
7:03 pm
md
We send our sons and daughters halfway around the world for highly questionable ends (oil?) and leave our own frontiers and ports of entry all but sporting a welcome sign…
FinnMcCool
October 20th, 2010
7:03 pm
This is kinda funny. Listen to the story if you can:
Driving High: L.A. Reporters Take Weed And The Wheel For Science
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2010/10/20/130697476/driving-high-l-a-reporters-takes-weed-and-the-wheel-for-science
md
October 20th, 2010
7:04 pm
“All this was supposedly taken care of in the 80’s but it didn’t work out that way. ”
Like an alcoholic trying to stop drinking……exponentially gets worse unless he goes cold turkey.
This sequel was set up by the first version………..can’t wait for movie number 3…
RW-(the original)
October 20th, 2010
7:05 pm
Del,
It’s a tough issue which is why the people on both sides that say the 14th “clearly” articulates their position would be better served to admit it’s murky as hell and needs to be addressed. Nobody wants to see it decided in favor or the other side of their position though so we continue in limbo.
Del
October 20th, 2010
7:06 pm
It’s amazing that some on here are so naive or perhaps steeped in their left wing ideology that they’re oblivious to the fact that our immigration laws are being broken and or gamed all the time. Often aided and abetted by our own federal, state and local government.
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
7:07 pm
Hillbilly
On the 1980s…yeah, and as soon as those granted residency and a route to citizenship were no longer willing or forced to work for coolie wages in the shadows…bring in some more and keep those service workers in the place…
md
October 20th, 2010
7:07 pm
“We send our sons and daughters halfway around the world for highly questionable ends (oil?) and leave our own frontiers and ports of entry all but sporting a welcome sign…”
I agree………….but I’m a realist on the oil……take it out of the equation, and what does our economy look like????? My crystal ball says more suffering by the millions compared to now.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
7:07 pm
“I’d agree with you, to seal the borders first, then sort out the rest”
And I’d like to agree, but I can’t. I think it’s a waste of time, manpower and money – mostly due to the “25 foot wall, Jose’s 26 foot ladders” problem.
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 20th, 2010
7:11 pm
josef @ 7:07
I’m sure remember, along about that time Gwinnett county was booming and had a worker shortage. Fast food workers there were making $7-$8 an hour which was well above other areas (and minimum wage of the time). You’d think with a shortage of workers, that wages rising would be the free market working. Couldn’t have that though, could they?
Del
October 20th, 2010
7:16 pm
RW,
Well we better get the hell out of limbo because it’s destroying our country. My wife’s sister is living by our published immigration laws. She’s been waiting for 5 years in her home country and will in all probability wait at least 5 more until my wife’s sponsorship is approved. After which, she’ll wait another lengthy period of time until her “Green Card” is released. She like thousands of others abide by our laws while the gamers are allowing illegals to come here in droves. The travesty is that our own government is allowing these scams to continue with impunity.
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
7:17 pm
Doggone
Don’t need no wall…a soldier every 100 yards would do the trick…the wall was just a waste of time…
md
Oh, I’m no fool on that one…I didn’t much care for Daddy Bush, but he was up front and honest about the first Gulf War…our national interests were with the oil, and Saddam was threatening that, liberation of Kuwait was just a nice sidebar…
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
7:23 pm
Hillbilly
Back when we first moved to Atlanta in 1980, I came home all excited because I had discovered Broadview and with it “some Spanish speakers!” There were about 5,000 in Atlanta, I found out. Then off we went on that boom time construction and whoo, whee…wound up speaking Spanish as my primary language of daily discourse! The Phoenix City and the Empire State of the South couldn’t bring in enough of them…bust times? Can’t get rid of ‘em fast enough…
catlady
October 20th, 2010
7:27 pm
I thought we also had law that said you cannot profit from your crime. If entering illegally is a crime, and if a US citizenship is such a good thing, how can we allow people to profit from the illegal act of entering? That is like allowing a bank robber to keep the proceeds of his crime!
Seal the border. Reinterpret the 14th amendment to say mother has to be here as a lawful permanent resident (not on a student or tourist visa, for example). Begin interdicting unlawful aliens at ever opportunity (hospital, school, etc). Allow a limited number to stay who can prove: no additional offenses against the law, learned English and can demonstrate it, had no problems with kids in school (ie parents participated, came to conferences), repay any medicaid funds, pay a fine, show ability to support self and family, etc.
Too bad we can’t have the same requirements for our native (US of A American) kids’ families as well!
Repatriate all others and charge their native country a portion of the aid we give them each year as a way to encourage them to seal their own borders.
Kids who are considered American citizens prior to the clarification of the 14th Amendment can stay, but their parents must be repatriated if they cannot meet the burden of proof above.
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
7:34 pm
catlady
Learn English? French, Spanish and Russian have equally valid presence as imperialist languages here in the good ole US of A, why not one of the truly Indigenous languages? And why just the mother, the father doesn’t count?
13 Days To V-Day
October 20th, 2010
7:35 pm
Whether or not George Soros is a US citizen is irrelevant (he is). He hates the freedom of American capitalism yet he’s made his billions in (much of it foreign) hedge funds. Now he’s giving a million (beans to him) to a liberal special interest organization called Media Splatters…err..Matters. Nobody knows the origin of that million in donation, do they? Nary a peep from the left. Liberals are only worried about transparencies when it concerns conservatives and Republicans.
The idea the Soros donation is transparent is beyond laughable. He’s given millions to the Tides Foundation, a liberal organization known for obscuring sources from the left. It’s also exempt from taxes, mind you. Further, Soros was also heavily involved with setting up the Center for American Progress (Regress is more like it) think tank and many other like-minded liberal organizations.
Oh but the left is all up in arms on Chamber of Commerce donors! Well, who are we kidding here. The Democrat run Washington is cooking books, lying about it, and thinking it can get away with anything. Enron executives did the same thing didn’t they. But those guys are in jail. If corporations were run like the government, they’d have been extinct a long time ago.
Pelosi not running for House Speaker speaks volumes. Rahmbo is gone. Democrats are distancing themselves from their support of Obamacare and even Obama himself. You just have to love the political season.
Del
October 20th, 2010
7:35 pm
catlady,
Great post…unfortunately as long as we have vote pandering career politicians and political activist judges along with people blinded by ideology over objectivity, we’re probably only going to be performing a bodily function into the wind.
catlady
October 20th, 2010
7:39 pm
paleoneocarlinist: Our local largest employer, a chicken processing plant, has a person employed whose job it is to “make folks look legal” so they can pass through everify. Everify matches names and SS numbers, but not names and actual people. So someone can show an ID (easily available) and put their picture with my name and SS number and they pass the check and can be employed.
george
October 20th, 2010
7:44 pm
My problem is what is the point of having an immigration policy with quotas, rules, paperwork and waiting, when you can just illegally enter the country with a pregnant wife and eventually reap all the benefits of being an American citizen without the hassle?
Moderate Line
October 20th, 2010
7:45 pm
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
6:22 pm
Moderate
I am aware of the Mexican laws. Where did I say I was referring to Mexicans? Not to be overly cantankerous here, but I’d say that this points out that who we’re REALLY talking about are Mexicans…
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My point was only to show that your statement that people born here to parents illegally could not go back to their country of orgin is generally incorrect. The best way to do that was to show how at least for a 56% or majority your statement is false. I am sure the number is higher since most countries have similiar law. If it is true that we are “REALLY talking about are Mexicans…” proves to be even more misleading then your statement would seem to be completely false. However, since 44% of illegal immigrants are not from Mexico I think the generalization that illegal immigrants are Mexican would be incorrect.
To native Americans we are ALL illegal immigrants.
Moderate Line
October 20th, 2010
7:53 pm
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
7:07 pm
Hillbilly
On the 1980s…yeah, and as soon as those granted residency and a route to citizenship were no longer willing or forced to work for coolie wages in the shadows…bring in some more and keep those service workers in the place
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This is more to the point. The main reason this presist is because it allows Americans companies to save money by higher cheaper labor which Republicans love. The Dems love it because they see votes. If the unions were as strong as they were 50 years ago this probably wouldn’t happen.
The reason Davis-Bacon laws were passed was to deter southerners from going north and undercutting wages.
Mick
October 20th, 2010
7:53 pm
Well, living in miami I can tell you what they do. Right around their due date they fly into miami and go to jackson memorial hospital where the child is delivered free of charge and has the added bonus of being an instant citizen. They then get back on the plane and go back home. Now honestly, does that baby deserve citizenship?
josef
Very good analysis of home schooling through your experience. I don’t have a problem with it per se but I really don’t believe in it. Private or public school, learning with your peers is both unique and challenging. Many parents fear that their child will be corrupted by public school. That may be true if you aren’t doing your job as a parent and keeping them active and involved all through secondary school. Tough love, it works. When it’s time to move onto college, then take a step back and let them find their way with guidance and support. While keeping children home and sheltered has many positives, there are many more colors on the canvas in the real world outside the box.
catlady
October 20th, 2010
7:53 pm
josef, it is easier to prove who the mama is (the baby comes out of her….) Too many mamas claim not to know who the father is (not restricted to illegal aliens at all!). We waste too much time and money identifying the fathers. Pragmatic.
Why English? The US government (not the government of the Cherokee Nation, for example) uses English. If it used French to conduct business, we should all be proficient in that. Pragmatic.
I teach the Spanish speaking immigrants kids–have since 1986. I enjoy them and their parents. 90% of those at my school (~20% of school population) were born here. The vast majority are hardworking, respectful, and a joy to teach. Their parents have high hopes for them, and support the teachers. They are, in all, a much better group than our “local” kids–lower class Appalachian white kids. They come to things like PTA programs and special events at 5 to 20 times the rate of the “white” parents.
However, I believe we have to stop the flow. We have to evaluate the adults we have who are here illegally. If they can HELP us, be a plus to our society, we should allow them a path (a demanding, narrowly drawn path). If they have not shown and interest or ability to learn English, obey laws, assist their children and make a living for those they choose to have, they should be required to return to their country of origin. In my area, by my “requirements” the vast majority would do well except for the being proficient in English requirement. And this would give a great deal of emphasis to that, to the benefit of us all. Pragmatic.
One other requirement (for me) would be to heavily fine and jail employers of illegal aliens–large or small. If your workforce has one spokesman who can communicate with the boss…you may have hired a bunch of illegal immigrants.
When I have to track down a parent for a sick child, it is truly amazing to try to find them at that big employer, as the name we have for them rarely matches the name the company has for them. The everify is a panacea that makes the government sound like it is doing something. Let’s be pragmatic.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
7:55 pm
“a soldier every 100 yards would do the trick”
Uh huh…and one well-placed bullet will leave a 600 foot gap in your “wall”
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
7:55 pm
moderate
I did not say that “people born here to parents illegally could not go back to their country of origin.” First off, this IS their country of origin. And I still hold the line that, and don’t take this the wrong way, we are REALLY talking about Mexicans or you would not be bringing up the 56% etc. Also, you will note that I put in the smilie for the purpose of being flippant but at the same time making the point that for many, and I did not say you were doing it, do not distinguish between “illegal” and “Mexican” and that what many of the more reactionary are talking about IS the Mexican…
And as for the American Indian thing, true…but I’ve got a get off the boat free card! Under Choctaw common law, I’m allowed to stay…just not be a citizen!
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
7:57 pm
“when you can just illegally enter the country with a pregnant wife and eventually reap all the benefits of being an American citizen without the hassle?”
Well, you can’t. Next question?
120
October 20th, 2010
7:57 pm
I understand where the state legislators are coming from with this challenge but this is a long shot. The 14th Amendment has been the law of the land for over a century and as Bookman points out this issue has already been through the federal courts. At the end of the day I think 14A will have to be legislatively amended – doubtful in view of the strong support illegal immigration seems to enjoy in this country.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
7:59 pm
“At the end of the day I think 14A will have to be legislatively amended – doubtful in view of the strong support illegal immigration seems to enjoy in this country”
but the 14th amendment does not address illegal immigrants, only legal American citizens.
Brigadier General C. A. Rear
October 20th, 2010
8:01 pm
Let’s see here. One soldier every one hundred yards (how many clicks is that) at the current rate of one million General George Washingtons per soldier. Yup. Yup. That’s a mighty big number. I like it. I like it a lot.
md
October 20th, 2010
8:02 pm
“My problem is what is the point of having an immigration policy with quotas, rules, paperwork and waiting, when you can just illegally enter the country with a pregnant wife and eventually reap all the benefits of being an American citizen without the hassle?”
I’d lay odds that the ones doing the waiting are sitting up straight and taking notice…………what is good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak.
soco can let us know when he starts seeing a large amount of pregnant women on visitor visas, then we know the onslaught has begun.
bronco
October 20th, 2010
8:03 pm
“They are not illegals they are human beings?” They are illegal human beings. They have crossed a border ILLEGALLY and stayed here ILLEGALLY. What part do you not understand. It would be quite a different story if they didn’t want us to house and feed them. The illegals work the system.
I went to Mexico and asked for food stamps, medical care, mediciene and housing…they told me to FO and go home
Brigadier General C. A. Rear
October 20th, 2010
8:05 pm
Uh huh…and one well-placed bullet will leave a 600 foot gap in your “wall”
Why, what you’re doing is declarin’ war on these YouKnighted States of Americas. Yup. I like that too. Where’s my holsters? I can almost smell the saltpeter in the air.
Dusty
October 20th, 2010
8:05 pm
wow, Bookman surely does know how to stir up a hornet’s next.
Anchor babies—stir everybody up and solve nothing. “Anchor” in it self means stability such as Anchor Banks, anchor the ship, etc. But here it is said to be derogatory.
We have laws. They are being broken. We are spending millions trying to keep our border intact yet the word here is ” nothing is being done”. Millions of $$$$$!!!
ANY baby born here is a citizen, not just Mexicans. Every body!! But some foreign parents go home with their babies. “Anchor” babies are referred to as such because their illegal parents try to use their babies as a secure way to stay in the USA. The term “anchor” refers to illegal parents who use their child as access fo the USA and its benefits. Children are innocents. That does not mean their parents are also innocent. It simply is not true referring to citizenship.
We have almost 10% unemployment yet we must believe that we cannot manage without illegal labor.
Illegal labor ?? Work permits can be issued to workers to come to the USA. The employer who need foreign help can apply. Workers go home when the job is finished.
The accusation is made that any one preferring the”law” is a “bigot” or a “nazi” Perhaps some of you perfer no laws as has happened in Somalia. I prefer a country with a Justice System made by the people and followed by the people. We have one. Now let’s follow the law.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:05 pm
“What part do you not understand?
How much you are willing to pay to find them and deport them. Keeping in mind that we’re near broke and would have to borrow even more money to pay for it, thus increasing the national debt.
Lee
October 20th, 2010
8:07 pm
@andygrd
October 20th, 2010
4:24 pm
Pretty much nailed Jay on this one. Jay might want to do a little more research before following Cynthia Tucker down the “kiss an illegal aliens @ss.”
Perhaps if the Feds did their constitutional job and SECURED our borders and didn’t let tens of millions of ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS into this country, this would be a moot point.
md
October 20th, 2010
8:09 pm
“Uh huh…and one well-placed bullet will leave a 600 foot gap in your “wall””
Not for very long though – one bullet would bring in an awful lot of po’ed troops to fill that gap.
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
8:09 pm
catlady
I disagree strongly with that stance on fathers…of course the rights of fathers is one of my big issues…
The language thing…pragmatics being as it is, English is the language of access and anyone seeking to move up the ladder, go to university and what have you will have to know the language. but I do not think it should be a requirement for citizenship as we have no official national language.
I agree with you on the dedication of the immigrant parents. My site is 70% language minority and much of my day’s work is to work with those families as an interpreter/translator. You have already alienated me, though, with your attitudes expressed earlier about the “lower class Appalachian whites” and the moderator won’t let me express my true feelings there.
I agree that we have to stop the flow and we won’t do that until we are ready to tackle the business interests which profit therefrom.
It is interesting that y’all should have the problem of contacting the parents at work. That is a relatively rare thing for us. It happens, but it’s not at all common. We also almost always have a long list of other contacts provided by the parents. Also, ours is a relatively close knit community so we at school already know who’s cousin, aunt, uncle, etc or the next-door-neighbor who can get the message through.
And. yes, about 90% of ours are United States born citizens….
md
October 20th, 2010
8:10 pm
“when you can just illegally enter the country with a pregnant wife and eventually reap all the benefits of being an American citizen without the hassle?”
Well, you can’t. Next question?”
Not to intrude on Mick’s turf, but he is correct. The operative word he used is “eventually”.
That is what this whole conversation is about…………
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:11 pm
“Not for very long though – one bullet would bring in an awful lot of po’ed troops to fill that gap”
There are other ways to take out a soldier…and even under your scenario, a good shot…well hidden…can take out quite a few other soldiers coming in one at a time. And all the while, LOTS of people could be crossing through the hole.
Scout
October 20th, 2010
8:12 pm
This is very interesting re: Causes of Homosexuality:
http://viewzone2.com/phthalatesx.html
1) “It’s time to stop all the bulls**t about being gay — homosexual, whether it’s a man or a woman. There’s enough solid scientific and medical evidence now to say affirmatively that this is NOT a matter of choice. It’s how a person is born. They can’t change it, they can’t take the “gay cure” and even accepting Jesus as their personal saviour cannot convert a gay person to a straight one.
Note: Maybe not but one must separate being a homosexual from the “act”, separate a heterosexaul adulterer from the “act” or a pedophile from the “act”. Thought is one thing ……….. the act is another. Thinking about robbing a bank is not illegal absent some over act. Doing it is.
2) Did you know? Researchers using brain scans have found new evidence that biology — and not environment — is at the core of sexual orientation. Scientists at the Stockholm Brain Institute in Sweden report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA that gay men and straight women share similar traits — most notably in the size of their brains and the activity of the amygdala — an area of the brain tied to emotion, anxiety and aggression. The same is true for heterosexual men and lesbians.
Study author, neurologist Ivanka Savic-Berglund, says such characteristics would develop in the womb or in early infancy, meaning that psychological or environmental factors played little or no role.
“This is yet another in a long series of observations showing there’s a biological reason for sexual orientation. It’s not just a reflection of people’s behavior, nor is it a choice, nor is it something in their rearing environment. [The study] shows that it’s something that people are born with.” — Dean Hamer, a molecular biologist at the National Institutes of Health.
The researchers used MRIs to determine the volume and shapes of the brains of 90 volunteers — 25 straight and 20 gay members of each sex. They found that the straight men and gay women had asymmetrical brains; that is, the cerebrum (the largest part of the brain, which is responsible for thought, sensory processing, movement and planning) was larger on the right hemisphere of the brain than on the left. In contrast, they found that women and gay men had symmetrical cerebrums.
Because testosterone produces the masculine brain, researchers are concerned that fetal exposure to anti-androgens such as phthalates — which are pervasive in the environment — has the potential to alter masculine brain development, said lead author Shanna H. Swan, Ph.D., professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, director of the URMC Center for Reproductive Epidemiology, and an expert in phthalates.
BOTTOM LINE: No plastics for homosexuas.
Case cloded.
Brigadier General C. A. Rear
October 20th, 2010
8:13 pm
Why hail! If y’all don’t want them illegal immigrants, I’ll take ‘em off your hands and put them to work guarding the border at a fraction of the cost of a regular enlisted contract soldier that we rent from Xe (who come up with that stupid name anyway) these days and just save the difference to put down on one of them new satellite-mounted LASERs. Them dang Brits have done gone and bailed on us claiming that it costs too much to defend their country so I suppose it is up to us to do it alone again. Bunch of yellow bellied namby pambies.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:14 pm
“Not to intrude on Mick’s turf, but he is correct. The operative word he used is “eventually”.”
Eventually? Meaning that an “anchor” baby has to grow up, be at the age of 21 (per a previous post) and then sponsor his parents…who have had to be keeping low heads and keeping their illegal status hidden for, oh, say 22 years or so? If they can do that, what do they need an “anchor” baby for?
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
8:15 pm
DUSTY
Usually you’re the one accusing me of being a softie…this time I’m pretty much in agreement with you, ANY body born here is a citizen…
md
October 20th, 2010
8:17 pm
“but I do not think it should be a requirement for citizenship as we have no official national language.”
Not too sure about that when English is the “unofficial” language of business, and the “official” language of air traffic control worldwide…………….
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:18 pm
Scout…trying to choose which one suits you best?
Kamchak
October 20th, 2010
8:18 pm
Uh huh…and one well-placed bullet will leave a 600 foot gap in your “wall”
Or several well placed bribes, which was one of the problems with the Great Wall of China—walk around or bribe your way through.
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To all of you round ‘em up and send ‘em backers: How much are you willing to spend, on a per head basis to accomplish this task?
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:20 pm
“Or several well placed bribes”
Yep, that too. Or just wait until it gets dark.
Del
October 20th, 2010
8:20 pm
“Reap all the benefits without a hassle” “Well you can’t, next question” you can, next question.
md
October 20th, 2010
8:20 pm
“There are other ways to take out a soldier…and even under your scenario, a good shot…well hidden…can take out quite a few other soldiers coming in one at a time. And all the while, LOTS of people could be crossing through the hole.”
Again, taking out one guard with shots fired, will bring in that many more who will more than likely shoot first and ask questions later – good luck to those trying to cross in the crossfire……….
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:22 pm
“you can, next question.”
How does having an “anchor” baby confer the status of citizenship on the parents? How about YOU take a shot at my question…which no one has yet tackled: What does an “anchor” baby ANCHOR?
md
October 20th, 2010
8:27 pm
“Eventually? Meaning that an “anchor” baby has to grow up, be at the age of 21 (per a previous post) and then sponsor his parents…who have had to be keeping low heads and keeping their illegal status hidden for, oh, say 22 years or so? If they can do that, what do they need an “anchor” baby for?”
For starters, my bad on the quote – it was George, not Mick.
Second, depends on the interpretation of the word “you”, since it is neither you nor I, he either meant the parents or the child, and the child will most definitely eventually reap the benefits if it so chooses.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:27 pm
” will bring in that many more who will more than likely shoot first and ask questions later ”
Uh, huh. do the math. If they are set 100 yards apart, that meants the first 2 are each 100 yards from the center of the hole. And the next two are each an additional 100 yards, the next two an ADDTIONAL 100 yards. In the time it takes each pair to cover the ground to the center…how far can the illegals move away from them at right angles?
And even if the remaining soldiers angle towards where the crossers ought to be..they’ll be chasing a target they might not actually be able to see.
And anyway, any intelligent crossers is going to up their odds by waiting until night.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:29 pm
“and the child will most definitely eventually reap the benefits if it so chooses”
Certainly, the child IS a citizen of the United States. So? I’m still waiting for SOMEONE to tell me what an “anchor” baby anchors. Care to take a stab at it?
george
October 20th, 2010
8:29 pm
I am very willing to be enlightened on the anchor baby issue, so all feel free to take shots. As I understand it there are about 300,000 anchor babies born in the US every year. Some estimates are higher. Again, as I understand it, these babies are automatically US citizens who qualify for benefits such as medicaid, etc. If nothing else, this seems to create a fairly large drain on our shrinking resources. Is this correct so far?
Del
October 20th, 2010
8:31 pm
Doggie,
How about YOU taking a shot at my questions, have you ever been personally involved in the immigration process? have you ever heard the stories of illegals gaming the system from those you know who’re close to it? have you ever filled out CIS paper work and or spoken with a immigration lawyer? How many foreign countries have you traveled. No answers, didn’t think so. Next question.
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
8:31 pm
md
I’m not at all saying that fluency in English is not the key to success, but in the absence of an official language, putting it as a requirement for citizenship doesn’t hold up…I don’t particularly support an official national language, but I’m not dead set against it either…but until such time as there is one…
md
October 20th, 2010
8:32 pm
“In the time it takes each pair to cover the ground to the center…how far can the illegals move away from them at right angles? ”
I don’t know, the helicopters cover an awful lot of ground…………I’d hazard a guess with shots being fired, backup will be coming in hot and heavy…..from all angles.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:32 pm
“If nothing else, this seems to create a fairly large drain on our shrinking resources. Is this correct so far?”
Oh sure, maybe…IF their illegal parents want to risk being caught and deported by claiming those benefits for their child.
Del
October 20th, 2010
8:33 pm
“tell me what an “anchor” baby anchors” citizenship…duh.
@@
October 20th, 2010
8:33 pm
A bit late to this one. Just another instance where the government has created a human catastrophe thru its failure to assume a responsibility that was assigned them.
So….if the parents are deported, are their children returning with them. Will their government(s) accept the children even though they’re U.S. citizens?
What a mess, but then that’s, pretty much, what I’ve come to expect from the humps on the hill.
They ARE the mess.
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
8:33 pm
doggone
@ 8:27
Sure you’re not a coyote?
md
October 20th, 2010
8:35 pm
“Again, as I understand it, these babies are automatically US citizens who qualify for benefits such as medicaid, etc. If nothing else, this seems to create a fairly large drain on our shrinking resources.”
Good question – what I’m hearing is we don’t have any more money to deport so there must not be any to support either………….
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
8:37 pm
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“Just another instance where the government has created a human catastrophe thru its failure to assume a responsibility that was assigned them…What a mess, but then that’s, pretty much, what I’ve come to expect from the humps on the hill…They ARE the mess.”
And that’s the truth!
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:38 pm
“the helicopters cover an awful lot of ground”
and how many helicoptors, spaced at what interval to be effective, and considering the support troops and facilities needed for them…would it take to EFFECTIVELY seal ALL of our borders. The best figures I can find list our land borders at 7612 miles and our coastline at 12,383 miles – which is probably a bit high, but it adds up to just under 20,000 miles. Even if you discount it 20% – that still just under 16,000 miles.
So how many soldiers and how many helicoptors and their attendent support would it take to close those borders?
george
October 20th, 2010
8:38 pm
“Oh sure, maybe IF their illegal parents want to risk being caught and deported….”
Problem is that that “risk” is getting smaller every day. If it were me, I would assume the reward will exceed the risk.
Dusty
October 20th, 2010
8:38 pm
Josef,
You are a softie. You teach those lovely little children and you want to forget the law. Can I blame you ? No. The “innocents” are just that. If their parents are illegal, the parents are not innocent.
I believe most citizens know the difference between right and wrong. Those who place their children in this position are placing a burden on their children from the beginning. No matter how nice they are or hard working or good to their families, they have given them a bad start.
So, Mr. Softie, are you sure we are in agreement?
Jack
October 20th, 2010
8:39 pm
I’m with Penny Lane.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:39 pm
“citizenship…duh”
An anchor doesn’t anchor itself, it anchors a BOAT. So what boat does an “anchor” baby anchor?
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:40 pm
“Sure you’re not a coyote?”
I’d make a good one, wouldn’t I?
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:42 pm
“Problem is that that “risk” is getting smaller every day”
You do realize, don’t you, that deportations are UP under this admin?
Del
October 20th, 2010
8:44 pm
Many of you don’t understand the flawed process. An illegal can get stays forever, however, that time line isn’t really necessary because at some point CIS just gives up because the case loads are flooded. Many immigration lawyers get fee’s for services through pro illegal immigration organizations. You just have no idea how our system is being gamed and the damage it’s doing to our country.
Brigadier General C. A. Rear
October 20th, 2010
8:47 pm
and how many helicoptors, spaced at what interval to be effective, and considering the support troops and facilities needed for them…would it take to EFFECTIVELY seal ALL of our borders. The best figures I can find list our land borders at 7612 miles and our coastline at 12,383 miles – which is probably a bit high, but it adds up to just under 20,000 miles. Even if you discount it 20% – that still just under 16,000 miles.
Throw in some drones and who needs Iraq or Afghanistan. This C.A. Rear General can retire in style right here on YOU S soil. Yup. I like it. I like it a whole lot. And on top of that, why we got all the crude oil we need right there in that Gulf of the Mexicos. I hear them drilling rigs are mighty easy pickin’s and the way I’m a feelin’ about them redcoats right now, I might just have to start with them ones that BP lays claim to first.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:47 pm
“You just have no idea how our system is being gamed and the damage it’s doing to our country”
And a lot of the blame for that can be laid squarely on the shoulders of the hardline “round ‘em up and ship ‘em out” types who fought the temporary worker program Bush wanted. One of the very few things I agreed with him about.
buck@gon
October 20th, 2010
8:47 pm
WOW! An informative article actually not juxtaposing evil republicans and kindly nurturing democrats.
Get back on track Jay. You’re likely to lose your job!
Del
October 20th, 2010
8:48 pm
“you do realize, don’t you, that deportations are UP under this admin”
That’s been proven bull $hit but of course you wouldn’t know that.
@@
October 20th, 2010
8:50 pm
josef:
I just skimmed thru the comments. Anchor Babies beats Jackpot Babies…wouldn’t you agree?
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
8:50 pm
Mick
@ 7:53
Thanks for that response. I was speaking just from my own experience there.
Dusty
We’re in agreement on two points and they are the central ones…they were born here, they are citizens and the most important of all, the children are innocent…we can argue the rest of it ’til the cows come home, but keep those two points in sight…
Doggone–
You would at that! I’d hire ya!
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:50 pm
“That’s been proven bull $hit but of course you wouldn’t know that”
so, present your proof. I’m willing to be convinced. I won’t, however, take your unsupported word for it.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
8:51 pm
Deportations
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/07/26/128772646/deportations-higher-under-obama-than-bush
Mongo
October 20th, 2010
8:52 pm
I’m pretty sure the sacred “Founding Fathers” were all dead by 1868, so this is really just correcting a flawed late addition to the Constitution. Like repealing 18th Amendment.
Del
October 20th, 2010
8:54 pm
It has never failed to amaze how the typical left wing follower who hasn’t really lived an experience will pretend in their typical pompous manner to be an authority. They’ll go to their favorite far-left data base procedure library to get canned come back comments that they think will make them sound creditable. Pathetic
Del
October 20th, 2010
8:57 pm
Doggie,
Google’s your friend, however, try to avoid the magnet temptations of your favorite far-left internet sites. Have a nice evening.
Brigadier General C. A. Rear
October 20th, 2010
8:57 pm
I’ve always been partial to Martial Law myself. Just give me the word and you can go on home and enjoy some family time while I take care of matters.
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 20th, 2010
8:58 pm
There are other ways to take out a soldier…and even under your scenario, a good shot…well hidden…can take out quite a few other soldiers coming in one at a time. And all the while, LOTS of people could be crossing through the hole.
That would constitute an act of war. The US Government would be forced to act, then.
catlady
October 20th, 2010
8:59 pm
josef: I have nothing against the fathers and would just as soon require that both parents have legal permanent standing. It is just a little quicker to prove since you can stand right there and watch the mama push….
Can you tell me how I alienated (ha ha) you re the lower class Appalachian whites? It is what it is. We have much better parent turnout among our Hispanic families, across the board. Give me a hint.
Doggone–I would propose it to be a zero sum game. Finding them isn’t difficult at all. Repatriating would cost, but we would “recover it” from the sending country via deducting our expense from their aid packages.
One interesting thing I have noted here: as soon as a baby is born the parents rush to get it an American passport!Not got a pot to pee in, but can come up with the $130 or whatever it costs to get the passport.
Fred
October 20th, 2010
9:00 pm
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
3:45 pm
First off, they’re not “anchor babies.” They are citizens of the United States of America. That’s it. End of argument.
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DING DING DING I think we have a winner.
Although I’m late to the “discussion” I though I might peruse a few of the early posts before I commented. Imagine my surprise when the FIRST post said it all. You sir are a fine American.
Although I don’t agree with all your half baked notions, anymore than you agree with all MY half baked notions, I think we agree on the basic principles upon which this Republic was founded. I can honestly say that I am proud that you are a fellow American. Semper Fi and all that……………
Now I have to wade through the 275+ posts (probably mostly drivel) to get to the end. Most will be posted by Luddites. Actually Luddites isn’t the correct term but I think it will serve here. If I use the word Nazi and bring up Aryan Race by strict internet rules I have “lost” the argument no matter how accurate it is when used in this context………………
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 20th, 2010
9:00 pm
listen up children, paleo-neo-Carlinist has a bedtime story for you all. once upon a time there was a nation founded on the idea that we the People were endowed by a Creator with inalienable rights. we knew this because we took the land from indigenous natives, whose “Great Spirit” obviously was not in the “rights endowing” business. well once the borders were established and the rights bartered and traded in exchange for political influence, it was determined that as with the natives, the Creator only endowed Americans with these rights. once it was pointed out that “America” includes North, Central and South America; it was further suggested, that despite the 14th Amendment, these “rights” (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and a bunch of other stuff like protection against unreasonable searches and seizures of property, due process, the right to bear arms, free speech, etc.) only applied to citizens of the United States. then in 2010, when certain American citizens wanted to change the rules in at half-time, because it was confirmed that any person “born” in the United States was a citizen, the tea party got traction, Fox News had great ratings, Christine O’Donnell became an expert on the First Amendment, and the plutocracy lived happily ever after. Amen.
Dusty
October 20th, 2010
9:00 pm
So now the mighty wise ones are going to blame the USA for illegal immigrants. It’s “big business” or George Bush or Republicans or chicken plants or tomato growers! Yes sir, all their fault.
The only ones to blame for illegal immigrants are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. They took it upon themselves to come here. They hired illegal coyotes to do it in most cases. Either that or the drug cartels made an entrance available to them
That’s like blaming the banks for bank robbers. The USA is the bank for illegals. They are responsible for their illegal actions.
AmVet
October 20th, 2010
9:02 pm
buck@gon
October 20th, 2010
8:47 pm
WOW! An informative article…
As opposed to that “observation”?
“And a lot of the blame for that can be laid squarely on the shoulders of the hardline “round ‘em up and ship ‘em out” types who fought the temporary worker program Bush wanted. One of the very few things I agreed with him about.”
Absolutely.
Given a chance at pragmatism and workable solutions the hapless and intransigent ideologues and neo-cons generally seem to find a way to screw everything up…
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
9:03 pm
catlady
A few threads back when you went to attacking the intelligence of Georgians, Southerners (and by extension your comments here on the Appalachians…
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 20th, 2010
9:03 pm
Mongo, thanks for the lesson in Constitutional Law. and thanks for speaking on behalf of the Founding Fathers, as it relates to the parts of the Constitution that we need to enforce, and the parts where there is wiggle room. f**k the founding fathers. they were (self-serving) politicians! go punch a horse.
Fred
October 20th, 2010
9:04 pm
stands for decibels
October 20th, 2010
3:53 pm
And as long as we’re defining our terms, their parents are not “Illegals.” They are human beings.
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Of COURSE they are human beings you blithering idiot, if they were canines or bovines they wouldn’t be bearing offspring that were American citizens. They would be bearing animals.
They are also ILLEGALS. Quit trying to confuse the issue through obfuscation. What is your next point? A debate on the word is?
AmVet
October 20th, 2010
9:05 pm
The only ones to blame for illegal immigrants are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Utterly, completely, totally and irrevocably fallacious.
The thousands and thousands of Georgian and American companies who hired those illegal immigrants are to blame as well.
And they too should face widespread prosecutions and justice under the law.
Kamchak
October 20th, 2010
9:05 pm
Google’s your friend, however, try to avoid the magnet temptations of your favorite far-left internet sites. Have a nice evening.
Shorter Del:
I just got called on my BS and can’t back it up.
Brigadier General C. A. Rear
October 20th, 2010
9:05 pm
After I retire, I was thinking about getting the old gang (Scout and Del and the rest) together and heading on down to the border to straighten things out.
Del
October 20th, 2010
9:07 pm
Paleo, Paleo,
Nah..you didn’t write that all by yourself now did ya. Fred did his, however, he doesn’t know diddly about Semper Fi.