State legislators to challenge ‘anchor babies’
From USA Today/The Arizona Republic
“PHOENIX — Republican lawmakers in 15 states Tuesday announced a nationwide effort to change the way the 14th Amendment is interpreted and stop granting citizenship to babies born in the USA to illegal immigrants.
A national coalition called State Legislators for Legal Immigration is coordinating the effort.
Arizona state Sen. Russell Pearce said Kansas lawyer Kris Kobach, who helped draft Arizona’s tough immigration law now on appeal in the federal courts, is working with him and Republican state Rep. John Kavanagh to draft a bill that all the states could use as a model on the citizenship issue….”
Here’s the relevant portion of the 14th Amendment:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Opponents of so-called birthright citizenship hang their argument on the phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” arguing that children of illegal immigrants do not meet that test. In practice, however, federal courts have read that language very differently, ruling repeatedly that every person in this country is subject to its jurisdiction except for foreign diplomats.
An illegal immigrant, for example, could be prosecuted for a crime here because he or she is subject to U.S. jurisdiction. But foreign diplomats are subject only to the jurisdiction of their home country, not of the United States, which is how the concept of diplomatic immunity is derived.
The 14th Amendment, passed in the wake of the Civil War, very clearly makes the determination of U.S. citizenship a federal rather than a state function. The strategy of the State Legislators for Legal Immigration is apparently to try to subvert the constitutional language by passing state laws that bar issuance of birth certificates to children of parents who cannot prove citizenship.
One of the members of the group is Georgia state Rep. Tim Bearden, R-Villa Rica. In other words, coming soon to a state Legislature near you….
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"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
October 20th, 2010
4:55 pm
Off Topic because I made a sizable mistake….
Two Christmas commercials in a row on October 20th?
BARF !
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
4:57 pm
AmVet
Truth be told, though I like to poke at you on this one, you are right! And this pack would do a hunh if you asked them about Herscehl Grynszpan and Kristallnacht…It sickens me to the core…
Mirror, Mirror
October 20th, 2010
5:00 pm
You pro-illegal types make me wanna puke. A disgusting lot you are !
Please accept this most humble offering. I hope it helps.
Jackie
October 20th, 2010
5:00 pm
Most that pay attention realize this attempt to change and/or eliminate the 14th Amendment is designed to “take back our country” mantra of the so-called conservatives.
One has to wonder what excuse would they use to keep the territories ceded to native Americans by treaty and territories taken and still under control, namely, American Samoa, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands?
Come on so-called conservatives, get your excuses together to help us understand what needs to be done to address this issue.I
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
5:01 pm
paleo
@ 4:54
Funny!
So, you’re one-eighth? Hey the one-drop’ers will get you!
"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
October 20th, 2010
5:02 pm
uhhhhhhhh…. the fruitloop at 5pm on FNC just started today with George Soros…..
OUCH !
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 20th, 2010
5:03 pm
Mirror, Mirror, I have run a small business and paid ‘contractors’ via 1099, but let’s be honest. some guy working construction, who is hired by a general contractor is not paid via check or issued a 1099 come January. these employer hire undocumented workers because they are cheap and there is no annoying IRS forms or paperwork to fill out. I have also spent a fair amount of time in the HR/employment game as both a 1099 contractor and full-time employee. in the “legal” world, an applicant completes an employment application, providing SSN, etc. his/her references are checked, and eligibility to work in the U.S. is confirmed. now, I know every once in a while, someone like Col. Tom Parker pulls a fast one, but do you actually believe 20 million undocumented workers have presented their employers with bogus ID and SS cards? I think the “fraud” and “misrepresentation” is more prevalent on the employer side. and why not? it’s far more profitable (if you’re into stuff like profits and bottom lines)
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
5:04 pm
jackie
Unmentionable says unless you can show a CDIB card, you’re undocumented!
Jay
October 20th, 2010
5:04 pm
As to Andygrd’s analysis of judicial rulings (or rather, the analysis that he copied from an antiimmigrant site, http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html ):
In effect, that “analysis” claims that the Supreme Court has already ruled in repeated cases that “anchor babies” aren’t citizens and that this whole debate is moot. Now if that were true, why would we need to amend the 14th? Why would the State Legislators for Legal Immigration be trying so hard to overturn it.
The truth is that the alleged analysis cited by Andygrd is fraudulent. Contrary to that fanciful and distorted reading of the judicial record, the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that the 14thn Amendment says what it plainly says — people born here are citizens.
Jackie
October 20th, 2010
5:05 pm
Forgot the most obvious one, Washington, DC. They are taxed and considered American citizens but have no voting House member or Senators. All these “illegals” need to be immediately deported.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
5:06 pm
Ever since I first heard the term “anchor” baby I’ve been trying to figure out what they are supposed to anchor. They don’t confer citizenship on any of their relatives – including parents. Their parents can be deported, and as dependents of those parents they cannot be forcibly retained here in the USA. They ARE entitled to a passport, much good may it do a toddler.
So what are they “anchoring”? I’ve seen nothing posted so far that even comes close to answering this question.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
October 20th, 2010
5:08 pm
Well, my buddy Jim Earl says he just wishes they’d shut up about this anchor baby thing. There’s thousands of us right here in GA that come from people that sneaked into the country and was never citizens. So if this thing passes, none of the people that come after them can ever be citizens. I’d sure hate to see a Redneck Roundup where they load a bunch of us in the back of a pickup and dump us over the border along with the real illegals. Heck, I don’t even speak Mexican. Maybe they’d take a Republican Party donation card as proof, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Have a good night everybody.
Jackie
October 20th, 2010
5:11 pm
@josef nix
Be careful, the so-called conservatives only believe the Constitution should be interpreted in a way that suits their myopic perspective. Anything more than what they “believe” to be true is not worthy of consideration.
DebbieDoRight
October 20th, 2010
5:12 pm
Whine This one’s 4 yo!!!
I found the PERFECT gift for you for X-Mas!!
Or, if you don’t like that one, here’s another one just 4 you!
ENJOY!!
Boner the Tan Man
October 20th, 2010
5:12 pm
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
4:15 pm
larry
If the Irishman has a good tan, then s/he’s also a good Republican!
=====================================
Although my origins hail from Germany, I resemble that remark!
John Boehner
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
5:13 pm
Jackie
What gets me is that automatic citizenship to anyone born on the soil IS a conservative value!
jm
October 20th, 2010
5:13 pm
Either way, seems to me the 14th amendment is due for some modification and adjustment….
Most European countries use Jus sanguinis, meaning a parent has to be from the country. Since liberals generally love European social policies like healthcare and retirement, I look forward to their endorsement of changing the 14th amendment. For more information:
http://askville.amazon.com/United-States-countries-offer-citizenship-birth-aka-birthright/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=7563352
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
5:14 pm
Boner
No Germans! They’re all n a z i s!
AmVet
October 20th, 2010
5:14 pm
paleo, perhaps you misinterpret my use of that word.
I do not use it in terms of religious mumbo jumbo, but rather in the context of:
sacred -noun
5) regarded with reverence: the sacred memory of a dead hero.
jm
October 20th, 2010
5:16 pm
Canada has “jus soli” also. For the sake of my (unborn) kids economic future, we may be headed to Canada when birth time comes. He/she will need another option in case the US is headed down the Greek path….
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 20th, 2010
5:17 pm
AmVet, please accept my lapsed Catholic apology. 8 years of Catholic school kinda “defined” the word for me.
jm
October 20th, 2010
5:17 pm
For info:
http://askville.amazon.com/United-States-countries-offer-citizenship-birth-aka-birthright/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=7563352
Boner the Tan Man
October 20th, 2010
5:19 pm
@ Nix
Sieg Heil Mein freund!!
Mirror, Mirror
October 20th, 2010
5:21 pm
but do you actually believe 20 million undocumented workers have presented their employers with bogus ID and SS cards?
I’m actually more inclined to believe that those hiring these 20 million workers simply do not have sufficient work annually for each worker to exceed the $600 reporting threshold, year after year after year after year. Otherwise, the law would have reflected a different threshold.
jm
October 20th, 2010
5:23 pm
weeeeeewwwwweeeee. Time magazine running an article about a civil war started by Fed actions? Wow. We’re either really going down the toilet, or reporting has sunk to new lows.
http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2010/10/19/will-the-federal-reserves-next-meeting-lead-to-civil-war/
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 20th, 2010
5:25 pm
josef, speaking fractions, have you seen Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story? a very funny Spinal Tap meets Walk the Line bio-pic about a rock n roll pioneer named Dewey Cox. anyway, as a child he cuts his brother in half (by accident), for which his father never forgave him. after the doctor annouces the youngster’s death, the dad says; ‘you’re not half the boy Nate was. you’re not even half the boy the top half of Nate was after you cut him in half…” to which Dewey asks; ’so you’re saying I’m not 1/4 the boy Nate was?”
jm
October 20th, 2010
5:25 pm
Hey, “anchor millionaires”. Now this is an idea (and an in place law) one has to like. If you’ve got half a mill to start a biz, citizenship is yours for the taking….
http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/111069/citizenship-for-sale;_ylt=AlHAT3oxXYcO9dLnIGaydv.7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1YmV1ajFoBHBvcwM2BHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzBHNsawNnb3Q1MDBreW91Y2E-?sec=topStories&pos=3&asset=&ccode=
Mirror, Mirror
October 20th, 2010
5:25 pm
weeeeeewwwwweeeee
jm
October 20th, 2010
5:26 pm
thanks Mrs. A. cracks me up every time.
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
5:26 pm
JUST TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT…
The Laws for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour
(September 15, 1935) Entirely convinced that the purity of German blood is essential to the further existence of the German people, and inspired by the uncompromising determination to safeguard the future of the German nation, the Reichstag has unanimously resolved upon the following law, which is promulgated herewith:
Section 1
1. Marriages between Jews and citizens (German: Staatsangehörige) of German or kindred blood are forbidden. Marriages concluded in defiance of this law are void, even if, for the purpose of evading this law, they were concluded abroad.
2. Proceedings for annulment may be initiated only by the Public Prosecutor.
Section 2
Extramarital sexual intercourse between Jews and subjects of the state of Germany or related blood is forbidden.
(Supplementary decrees set Nazi definitions of racial Germans, Jews, and half-breeds or Mischlinge — see the latter entry for details and citations and Mischling Test for how such decrees were applied. Jews could not vote or hold public office under the parallel “citizenship” law.)
Section 3
Jews will not be permitted to employ female citizens under the age of 45, of German or kindred blood, as domestic workers.
Section 4
1. Jews are forbidden to display the Reich and national flag or the national colours.
2. On the other hand they are permitted to display the Jewish colours. The exercise of this right is protected by the State.
Section 5
1.A person who acts contrary to the prohibition of Section 1 will be punished with hard labour.
2/. A person who acts contrary to the prohibition of Section 2 will be punished with imprisonment or with hard labour.
3.A person who acts contrary to the provisions of Sections 3 or 4 will be punished with imprisonment up to a year and with a fine, or with one of these penalties.
Section 6
The Reich Minister of the Interior in agreement with the Deputy Führer and the Reich Minister of Justice will issue the legal and administrative regulations required for the enforcement and supplementing of this law.
Section 7
The law will become effective on the day after its promulgation; Section 3, however, not until January 1, 1936
barking frog
October 20th, 2010
5:28 pm
Until the Constitution is changed this is a non issue.
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
5:28 pm
paleo
That was a good one!
Jefferson
October 20th, 2010
5:30 pm
If there were plenty of orders, nobody would be whining.
jm
October 20th, 2010
5:32 pm
josef nix – Oh lord. Just because someone doesn’t want to legally permit anyone born in the US but that doesn’t have US parents to not be eligible for citizenship implies we’re going to be Nazi Germany? Even though the other 185 out of 200 countries in the world only permit citizenship if one of your parents is from the same country.
Radical!!!!!! Scary! Run away…..
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 20th, 2010
5:33 pm
Will illegal aliens also be required to purchase health insurance?
AmVet
October 20th, 2010
5:33 pm
The saddest part of this is when Bush, McCain and a handful of the more cogent in the neo-con ranks – at least on this singular issue – tried to pass a great compromise on a VERY complicated and complex issue – a pathway to citizenship.
But the rabid Republicans went batshiite crazy.
Nothing short of mass-deportations for the illegal workers and COMPLETE impunity for the employers will be tolerated.
No wonder we are so screwed…
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
5:34 pm
“Until the Constitution is changed this is a non issue.”
but it’s a great campaign issue. Get the voters all fired up over something that will never be changed.
AmVet
October 20th, 2010
5:35 pm
Will illegal aliens also be required to purchase health insurance?
Not sure. Does it depend on whether the businesses who employ them illegally provide it or not?
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 20th, 2010
5:36 pm
Hmm, turns out that illegal aliens are NOT required to purchase health insurance, as are everyone else who is subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.
Gee, which amendment is it that guarantees equal protection? Seems like the Idiot Messiah has a favored class of folks who aren’t subject to the same laws as everyone else.
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 20th, 2010
5:37 pm
AmVet, no it does not.
Paulo977
October 20th, 2010
5:39 pm
josef
Of course they are !
paleo-neoCarlinist
October 20th, 2010
5:41 pm
but Li’l Barry B, also turns out employers are required to confirm an employee’s eligibility to work in the United States. and even if they knowningly hire an undocumented worker, they are still required to deduct payroll taxes and send the taxes to the Treasury Department (even if to do otherwise puts more unreported/untaxed income in his/her pocket)
Paulo977
October 20th, 2010
5:41 pm
larry
Some of us just dont seem to KNOW we have been spawned by illegals!
AmVet
October 20th, 2010
5:42 pm
Well good for those businesses that employ illegal workers and don’t provide that benefit, Lil’ BB.
One more case where they profit from violating federal and state laws…
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 20th, 2010
5:43 pm
paleo, the fact remains that illegal aliens are not subject to the same law, requiring all to purchase health insurance, as people here legally.
Do you believe that all laws should apply to all people or not?
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
5:43 pm
jm
And don’t forget that the Germans were not alone in passing of such laws, either…all I’m saying is, if we’re going to go there, then why hold back? This is exactly where such lines of thought lead to, just ask the Roma in Sarkozy’s France…
Boner the Tan Man
October 20th, 2010
5:44 pm
@ AmVet
October 20th, 2010
5:33 pm
Dont’ forget – we also want to build a new wall. Seal the dang border first!! Then man them with big ‘ol frothy-mouthed German shepherds.
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 20th, 2010
5:45 pm
AmVet: One more case where they profit from violating federal and state laws.
————————
Perhaps you should take this up with the chief law enforcement officer for the U.S.
AmVet
October 20th, 2010
5:48 pm
Sorry, Lil’ BB, he’s in the bag for corporate interests. Just like the guys at the EPA, MMS, SEC, et al ad nauseum.
Just the way, the “let the free market police itself” types want and have worked relentlessly for thirty years to get in place…
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
5:48 pm
Look, folks, I’m not arguing whether or not the 14th should or should not be repealed or amended…I’m saying that when you go to stripping CLASSES of citizenship already granted, you’re headed down a road you don’t want to go…as it stands now these so-called anchor babies are FULL United States citizens…what you propose to do with future ones, well…we’ll see…
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 20th, 2010
5:50 pm
AmVet, very clever, blaming conservatives for yet another of the Idiot Messiah’s many failures!
md
October 20th, 2010
5:51 pm
“14th Amendent “granted citizenship” to Americans who were until then “private property””
As I said, it was written at a time when folks were already here – by no choice of their own I might add.
Why do all you pro illegal types never answer the question about those that aren’t here and waiting in line patiently??
And you do know that if this wave is granted amnesty like the last wave, you can kiss any semblance of order bye-bye by those that are actually trying to do things the proper way…..don’t you????
Moderate Line
October 20th, 2010
5:53 pm
subvert the constitutional language by passing state laws that bar issuance of birth certificates to children of parents who cannot prove citizenship.
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This is an example of seeing what you want and not what is really there. I don’t see this as subverting the constitution. What they are doing is acting to force a lawsuit which would force the Supreme court to rule on whether a person who parents are here illegally is a US citizen.
Making a statement that this is clearly a Federal issue or subversion means any time a state or local jurisdiction passes a gun law they are interfering with a Federal issue or subverting the constitution.
Are you going to tell me everytime a law is passed that may violate the constitution that someone is subverting the consitituion or does that only apply when you are disagree with law. For example, was McCain-Feingold subverting the constitution when it was latter overturn by the Supreme Court. I guess many Rep or conservatives would see it that way but I don’t.
My own opinion is they the constitution will rule in favor of granting citizenship to the children of illegals but I am no constitutional expert.
getalife
October 20th, 2010
5:53 pm
“Memo LEAKED! Beck, Koch bros, Chamber coordinated with Banks & Insurers on 2010 election strategy”tp
Watch the numbers flip as the cons get discouraged and stay home.
cons got punked.
md
October 20th, 2010
5:53 pm
“So what are they “anchoring”? I’ve seen nothing posted so far that even comes close to answering this question.”
Although the parents can be deported Dog, do you honestly think anyone in their right mind is going to deport the parents and leave the “citizen” here by itself??
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
5:55 pm
md
Oh, sc*ew that “proper” line…we certainly weren’t too worried about that when we needed them to do the dirt work, now were we? Wink, wink. Now that we don’t need or want them anymore, round ‘em and herd ‘em out, rawhide! Semblance of order? Not for a long time has there been.
And for the record, I’m probably to the right of most of y’all on close the borders…
Mirror, Mirror
October 20th, 2010
5:55 pm
Lil Barry has a Messiah that he refers to as an idiot. To each his own, I suppose.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
5:56 pm
“Why do all you pro illegal types never answer the question about those that aren’t here and waiting in line patiently??”
Because when they are born here, they are already here?
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 20th, 2010
5:57 pm
md: Do you honestly think anyone in their right mind is going to deport the parents and leave the “citizen” here by itself??
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Do you honestly think anyone in their right mind is going to get deported and leave their child here by itself?
AmVet
October 20th, 2010
5:58 pm
Lil” BB, very clever excusing the misnamed conservatives for thirty years of failures.
I told you neo-cons he was one of you. A corporate water-carrier that was going to change next to NOTHING regarding the hyper-corrupted equation involving Washington and Wall Street.
But you wouldn’t listen. You bought into that nonsensical, frightened claptrap that he was a liberal!!!
But even worse than your confusion is how those poor, suffering souls on Wall Street must feel!
Imagine the rude awakening they got when, even after they funded his campaign more so than McCain’s, they discovered he was a SOCIALIST!
You guys really do make this too easy…
CRIS
October 20th, 2010
5:59 pm
Won’t that mean that we all got to our ancestors countries?
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
5:59 pm
“does that only apply when you are disagree with law”
It applies when it is unconstitutional.
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
6:00 pm
md
@ 5:53
Yes they will. We had five little ones born here whose illegal parents were deported and they, the oldest one 12 at the time, were left alone. When we found out one of our neighbors, one of those right wing filthy rich Buckhead types, went down, took them in and she and her husband spent a bloody fortune in legal fees to keep these children here in their land of birth. One of our “things” at work that we have to do is to know how to handle a situation where the parents are haled in and the kids left alone…
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 20th, 2010
6:02 pm
AmVet, please show me where I didn’t listen, sport.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
6:03 pm
“Although the parents can be deported Dog, do you honestly think anyone in their right mind is going to deport the parents and leave the “citizen” here by itself??”
Nope. I think they’re going to say that because an underage child is still the ward of the parents the decision is up to the parents. They will decide if they take the child with them or not. If they do, when the child is of whatever is the legal age to make the decision then they decide to keep or to rennounce their American citizenship.
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 20th, 2010
6:05 pm
The Idiot Messiah isn’t so much a socialist as he is someone who is actively working to weaken America economically, militarily, and diplomatically.
Moderate Line
October 20th, 2010
6:05 pm
So if someone comes here as a tourist they are subject to US jurisdiction and have a child should that child be granted US citizenship?
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
6:09 pm
Doggone
@ 6:03
That is the way it generally plays out. Since many of these children have older siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins or what have you who are either citizens or here legally, these children frequently stay with those relatives. Many countries do not recognize these children as citizens and they are denied education in their parents home countries. Many of them do not speak the language of their parents home countries and the parents see it in the child’s best interest to remain in the country of their birth citizenship.
Lil' Barry Bailout
October 20th, 2010
6:10 pm
“The real Obama is a man shaped by experiences far different from those of most Americans; he is a much stranger, more determined, and exponentially more dangerous man than you’d ever imagined. He is not motivated by the civil rights struggles of African Americans in the 1960s—those battles leave him wholly untouched. He is not motivated by the socialist or Marxist propaganda that hypnotized a whole generation of wooly–minded academics and condescending liberals—those concepts also leave him cold.
What really motivates Barack Obama is an inherited rage—an often masked, but profound rage that comes from his African father; an anticolonialist rage against Western dominance, and most especially against the wealth and power of the very nation Barack Obama now leads. It is this rage that explains the previously inexplicable, and that gives us a startling look at what might lie ahead.”
–Dinesh D’Souza
Moderate Line
October 20th, 2010
6:10 pm
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
5:59 pm
“does that only apply when you are disagree with law”
It applies when it is unconstitutional.
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The court decides what is constitutional and what is not constitutional. When passing laws until someone challenges them in court we may have an idea if it will be ruled consitution but we can’t declare such a thing until the court rules.
I ask again McCain-Fiengold was ruled unconstitutional was McCain and Fiengold subverting the constitution. Most conservatives would have argued that this was an obvious violation of the constitution.
AmVet
October 20th, 2010
6:10 pm
“AmVet, please show me where I didn’t listen, sport.”
Mea culpa.
But Lil’ BB, do you now contend that BHO is NOT a socialist?
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
6:12 pm
“have a child should that child be granted US citizenship?”
Yep.
AmVet
October 20th, 2010
6:12 pm
Lil’ BB, disregard my 6;10. I see you changed positions and now have a new and improved picture of BHO.
Interesting that it is equally fallacious…
Independent
October 20th, 2010
6:13 pm
If they want to change the way America grants citizenship to children, they should just start the process of amending the constitution. That is all they need to do. If the constitution is changed, then foreign children born on Amercan soil will not be citizens. Just do it the way it needs to be done.
AmVet
October 20th, 2010
6:16 pm
Independent, the problem of course, is that the neo-cons could no more get the US Constitution amended on this matter, than they could get it amended to include that idiotic DOMA tripe…
Moderate Line
October 20th, 2010
6:17 pm
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
6:09 pm
Doggone
@ 6:03
. Many countries do not recognize these children as citizens and they are denied education in their parents home countries.
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Nationality by birth
The constitution declares that Mexicans by birth—that is, natural born Mexicans—are:[1]
those individuals born in Mexican territory regardless of the nationality of their parents;
those individuals born abroad if one or both of their parents was a Mexican national born in Mexican territory;
those individuals born abroad if one or both of their parents was a Mexican national by naturalization; and
those individuals born in Mexican merchant or Navy ships or Mexican merchant or Army aircrafts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_nationality_law
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
6:18 pm
“That is the way it generally plays out”
Yeah, I figured.
Moderate Line
October 20th, 2010
6:20 pm
Independent
October 20th, 2010
6:13 pm
If the constitution is changed, then foreign children born on Amercan soil will not be citizens. Just do it the way it needs to be done.
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And that’s how abortion went from being illegal to a right protected by the constitution. I agree with you but that is really not how this country operates.
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
6:22 pm
Moderate
I am aware of the Mexican laws. Where did I say I was referring to Mexicans? Not to be overly cantankerous here, but I’d say that this points out that who we’re REALLY talking about are Mexicans…
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
6:22 pm
“than they could get it amended to include that idiotic DOMA tripe…”
Or to make it legal for Ahnold to run for President
Moderate Line
October 20th, 2010
6:24 pm
AmVet
October 20th, 2010
6:16 pm
Independent, the problem of course, is that the neo-cons could no more get the US Constitution amended on this matter, than they could get it amended to include that idiotic DOMA tripe…
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What neo-cons or liberals or whoever do is nominate court justices who will interpet laws in the way they desire so they do not have to amend the constitution. I don’t agree with this but that is what they do. Once politicians realized it was easier to get their agenda implemented through the courts they have made sure the nominees would vote how they want.
T-Partier
October 20th, 2010
6:25 pm
Yes they are Nix.
T-Partier
October 20th, 2010
6:27 pm
Hoist the anchors and send them back to sea!
md
October 20th, 2010
6:32 pm
I do find it interesting that so many are on the side of the law when it comes to interpreting the 14th, but have no problem throwing out same said law when it comes to illegal entry.
How exactly does that work????
And…..how is it that for the past 8-10 years, both “sides” campaign on “seal the borders” then “blah, blah, blah” with the “blah, blah, blah” part the only debatable part, yet the borders aren’t sealed??
md
October 20th, 2010
6:34 pm
“Oh, sc*ew that “proper” line…we certainly weren’t too worried about that when we needed them to do the dirt work, now were we?”
Depends on who “we” is. I know plenty of “we’s” that took years going through the system the “proper” way, and they feel exactly as I do………………….
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
6:35 pm
Okay, let’s load ‘em up and ship ‘em off…logistics anyone? How? How much will it cost? How many restaurants will be put out of business? What will be the price increase on that hotel room when it’s the old, established families being paid to clean that john and fry that burger?
Del
October 20th, 2010
6:36 pm
md@5:53,
As it stands now the child being a citizen can sponsor his/her parents. They can have an immigration lawyer fill out the forms in the child’s name and the parents become a priority class for “Green Cards”, they don’t have to leave the country. A less legal misuse, is to take the child’s Social that’s applied for at birth and use it to obtain credit, benefits, employment etc.
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
6:41 pm
“As it stands now the child being a citizen can sponsor his/her parents”
yeah, that’s the ticket for an “anchor” BABY. Just contact a lawyer, right?
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
6:42 pm
md
I’m not arguing the need for “proper…” Like I said, I’m probably well to the right of most when it comes to sealing the borders…but that “we” is you, me, and those who did it proper benefitting from the wink-wink approach WE took because it was in our best economic interest to do so at the time…we’re coming down on the wrong people here…it’s the bidness interests and average Joe Shmo who was perfectly willing to go along with it until it got so out of hand that, well, it sounds an awful lot like Prissy, “Miz Scarlet I jus cain’t cope!” It’s a lot easier to gun for Rita and Juan Sanchez than it is Holiday Inn and Burger King…
jconservative
October 20th, 2010
6:42 pm
If you are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States then you, by law, do not have to obey the laws of the US. You must be treated as a foreign diplomat as there are no other provisions in US law. And if you are not subject to the laws of the US then no need to pay income taxes or FICA, etc, etc, etc.
This is why the Supreme Court says everyone who is not a foreign diploma is subject to it’s, the Supreme Court’s, jurisdiction.
But there are enough people out there who will buy this and vote accordingly.
RW-(the original)
October 20th, 2010
6:42 pm
The Constitution doesn’t need to be amended as a first step to fixing this problem. Congress needs to address the “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” portion which would then undoubtedly be challenged. If the Supreme Court concurred with the Congressional clarification, assuming they said it did not grant birthright citizenship, then that would be the end of it. If the Supreme Court struck down the clarification then it would either have to be accepted or an amendment pushed through.
If that comment I read above is accurate about illegals not being covered by the health care bill for the specific reason that they aren’t subject to our jurisdiction then it sounds like somebody has already greased this slippery slide.
RW-(the original)
October 20th, 2010
6:45 pm
If I’m not mistaken the child being granted citizenship can sponsor their parents, but only once they’ve reached the age of 21 and are earning at least 125% of the poverty level.
md
October 20th, 2010
6:48 pm
New World Order……………………this should be fun
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101020/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_venezuela
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
6:48 pm
RW
@ 6:45
That is correct.
md
October 20th, 2010
6:50 pm
Jo,
Is deporting them all a possibility – doubt it.
My beef is the message we are sending to those that follow the rules………………….
Del
October 20th, 2010
6:51 pm
wrong doggie, it’s a ticket for the parent/parents. You should understand the legal machinations before commenting. If you don’t know that illegals have learned very well how to game our system you’re living in La La land.
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
6:51 pm
md
@ 6:48
Not to worry, our Homeland Security is on it!
josef nix
October 20th, 2010
6:54 pm
md
@ 6:50
And on that, I am agreed….that’s why I say when it comes down to it, I’m probably to the right of many on the matter of sealing the borders…that first, THEN we can deal with the mess we’ve already made…we’re putting the cart before the horse, IMHO…
Doggone/GA
October 20th, 2010
6:57 pm
“wrong doggie, it’s a ticket for the parent/parents”
Yep, you’re right. Any “anchor” BABY is perfectly capable of deciding to sponsor their parents and to call a lawyer to “git R done”
Uh huh
md
October 20th, 2010
6:59 pm
“I’m probably to the right of many on the matter of sealing the borders…that first, THEN we can deal with the mess we’ve already made…we’re putting the cart before the horse, IMHO…”
Funny (not really) that most, including Congress, agree the borders need to be sealed….yet nothing………
Sounds like that would be the easiest bill to get through…………yet, nothing………….